Vladimir Putin promised not to leave Donbass

Russia will not abandon Donbass no matter what. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with editors of the Russian media, shown on "Russia 24".

Answering the relevant question, the Russian leader said that Russia will not abandon the Donbass no matter what, but before making any decision, one must think about its consequences.

(...) on ours with you - I speak with you and me, because you are the fourth estate - on our shoulders you and I have a huge responsibility for Russia as a whole. And before making any decision, we must think about the consequences of any of our steps. We will not leave Donbass. No matter what

- he said.

Meanwhile, Ukraine was predicted to completely lose Donbass in the event of a refusal from the Minsk agreements. This statement was made by the ex-head of the SBU Investigation Department, General Vasily Vovk.

If we officially reject the Minsk agreements, you can be sure that in the first place we are losing the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions in a month or two. It will be so that everything was done by the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

- said the general, adding that Russia will not even resort to the participation of "little green men".

On the eve, the head of the office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Taran said that the Minsk agreements in the form in which they were signed could not be implemented and suggested joining the strategic partner of Ukraine, the United States, to the negotiations.

Comments

[Lipchanin]

It will be so that everything was done by the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

Is it not so?
These "ex" when they become, finally begin to tell the truth

[Insurgent]

Russia will not abandon Donbass no matter what. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with editors of Russian media, shown on "Russia 24".

It should be borne in mind that the meeting with the leading editors of the media was closed nature, and information from it, without the sanction of the Presidential Administration, should not have been disclosed.
But some of the "leading editors" succumbed to the temptation and carried out a "drain" of some of the topics discussed at the meeting.
Such behavior was called "unethical" by the Kremlin, and at the same time Peskov said that some of what was discussed would still be published, but not all.

In this way, intentionally or not, information about Donbass was published ...

[Stas157]

... We will not leave Donbass. No matter what

- he said.

Are we really going to join Russia?

But what about the official firm statements that there is no alternative to the Minsk agreements (despite their violations by the Ukrainian side)? When is he telling the truth?

I would like to attach - I would have attached it long ago. And the suspended state does not suit anyone. Well, except for Putin.

[Stas157]

The state is as follows.
Ukraine wants to annex Donbass to itself, but can not (on their own terms).
Donbass wants to join Russia, but can not (do it yourself).
Putin can annex Donbass to Russia on any terms (of course). But he doesn't want to.

[loki565]

The state is as follows.
Ukraine wants to annex Donbass to itself, but cannot (on its own terms).
Donbass wants to join Russia, but cannot (do it on its own).
Putin can annex Donbass to Russia on any terms (of course). But does not want

Are you going to fight for Donbass? You can't attach it without blood and everyone understands it

[Svarog]

Quote: loki565

Are you going to fight for Donbass? You can't attach it without blood and everyone understands it

What are you .. annexed Crimea .. without blood, and then it would be exactly the same, whether it was political will.

[loki565]

What are you .. annexed Crimea .. without blood, and then it would be exactly the same, whether it was political will.

About the fact that the population of Crimea is completely loyal to Russia, and in Ukraine, the further to the west, the more non-brothers. So the war would be 100%, and now even more so. Russia is quite satisfied with the independence of Donbass as a buffer zone from NATO and an obstacle to Ukraine's entry into NATO. If we recognize independence, we can trade both with individual states and, in extreme cases, help arms.

[Greenwood]

Quote: loki565

and in Ukraine, the further to the west, the more non-brothers.

And what does the west of Ukraine have to do with it? Specifically, in the territories of the DPR and LPR, since 2014, there have been no people disloyal to Russia. Everyone who was against Russia was unscrewed from this territory even then, fearing that Russia would soon annex these territories, like Crimea. Only now she did not join, the leadership did not have enough willpower.

[loki565]

And what does the west of Ukraine have to do with it? Specifically, in the territories of the DPR and LPR, since 2014, there have been no people disloyal to Russia. Everyone who was against Russia was unscrewed from this territory even then, fearing that Russia would soon annex these territories, like Crimea. Only now she did not join, the leadership did not have enough willpower.

Do you know how many citizens of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? The maximum that the LDNR can count on is independence, assistance to Russia as a separate state, over time it will be possible to start integration

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

Do you know how many citizens of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

I know - NO MUCH.

By "citizens of the DPR and LPR" you mistakenly mean persons who previously lived in the territories of the former Donetsk and Luhansk regions, rowing one size fits all.

But "watershed, between and between"happened back in 2014, and those who fled, left, and are fighting against Donbass are not our citizens.

[loki565]

I know - NOT MUCH.
By "citizens of the DPR and LPR" you mistakenly mean persons who previously lived in the territories of the former Donetsk and Luhansk regions, rowing one size fits all.
But the "divide, between and between" happened back in 2014, and those who fled, left, and are fighting against Donbass are not our citizens.

No, you didn’t understand it, it meant that they lived on the territory of the LPR and in the event of a referendum who would they vote for? And they also caught up with the western horses, this is not Crimea, where it is easy to block the isthmus and establish a border.

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

No, you didn’t understand it, it meant that they lived on the territory of the LPR and in the event of a referendum who would they vote for?

You don't understand elementary - they lived WHEN , but made another choice, and are no longer a part of our society, and will never become one in the future.

[loki565]

You don’t understand the elementary - they have lived SOMETHING, but made a different choice, and are no longer a part of our society, and will never become one in the future.

"When that" is in 2014, when was the referendum supposed to take place? After the outbreak of hostilities, it is clear that all the bridges were burned.

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

"When that" is in 2014, when was the referendum supposed to take place? After the outbreak of hostilities, it is clear that all the bridges were burned.

No ... You are wrong, by May 11, the most "independent" and bander-leafy ones have already been piled up.
You have some information about Donbass ... "Stretched", not factual

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Speak и promise "not to leave Donbass" - this LITTLE! Enough "pulling the rubber", you need to gain courage and resolve the issue!

And the fact that the provocateurs lie and intimidate that "there will be a lot of expenses", "why hang a collar on the neck", "it will be very difficult", "there will be a lot of blood and losses", "there all Bandera "-is a lie. Although, of course, it will not be an easy walk. I mean the whole of Little Russia.

[Bolt cutter]

I know - NOT MUCH.

Are you sure that there are no double-dealers who dream of living in the Square and travel to Europe for earnings drink kava Is there no way to go?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Are you sure that there are no double-dealers who dream of living in an independent area and going to Europe to earn money to drink cava. Is there no way to leave?

Are you sure that there are no such werewolves in your environment?

[Bolt cutter]

sure that there are no such werewolves in your environment

I am sure there is, even though I am not at war with anyone. Even in the Second World War the Nazis found volunteers to serve them. And you cannot but have them.

[bayard]

Quote: loki565

Do you know how many citizens of the DPR and LPR are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

Citizens of the DPR and LPR have DPR and LPR passports, and they live, work and fight at home. Or are you for

Quote: loki565

citizens of the DPR and LPR

do you think ghouls like "Semenchenko" and Abelmas?

Quote: loki565

The most that LDNR can count on is independence.

Is that how you decided?
"Solntselikiy" does not count - he has his own troubles.
The fact that the government in Russia is weak-willed, selfish and extremely indecisive is a sad and extremely depressing thing. But without a radical solution to the "Ukrainian question" ... THE WHOLE "Ukrainian question", there will be no peace on the western borders - obviously.
How obvious is the emergence of the military infrastructure of the United States and NATO (it already exists) on the borders of the Belgorod, Voronezh and Rostov regions.
The enemy is near Belgorod and Rostov!
As in the summer of 1942!
This rotting misunderstanding in the form of the Kiev regime of puppets and usurpers must be eliminated. And as soon as possible. The mistakes of indecision, confusion and cowardice made in 2014 must be corrected as soon as possible. The economic, political, military, moral, ethical and image losses from what was then allowed to be calculated (and even imagined) is difficult.
But you can.
These are hundreds of billions of dollars and euros lost to the budget and the Russian economy, these are military and civil projects that have been disrupted in time, these are sanctions and the consequences of them, these are refugees and sent terrorists poured by yeast into the protest actions of the "Russian" opposition, this is surprise and condescending the attitude of real partners and potential allies, from the fact that Russia is not able to resolve the issue in its natural, albeit former, territories ... !) borders ... what kind of business can you have with such a state?
Count on him as an ally and partner? ...
Do you think Russia was respected after the actual merger of "Russian Spring"?
The uprising of the Russian people for their self-identity and unity with Russia?
After collusion with the enemies of the Russian People and the recognition of the legitimacy of their power on the territory of historical Rus-Russia?
After trying to "push Donbass back" through the Minsk agreements?
And this happened when volunteers from all over the world came to Donbass to fight against fascism ...

Now the final "Solution of the Ukrainian question" for Russia is a SECURITY factor.
A factor of survival in the conditions of the coming, and very likely, war.
Moral-ethical and historical-legal factors for the modern authorities of Russia do not really matter - the psychotype is not the same, but the question of their own survival and personal fate, in the event of a loss, is already understood by them.
So the question is ripe.
And apparently it will be decided.
And perhaps in a consensus with China, which needs to return Taiwan, and Ukraine and SO insulted and "shod" with Motor Sichu.
It's time for serious decisions and actions.

[loki565]

Citizens of the DPR and LPR have DPR and LPR passports, and they live, work and fight at home. Or do you think for ghouls like "Semenchenko" and Abelmas?

Those who lived there before the outbreak of hostilities. When it was proposed to hold a referendum

[bayard]

Are you familiar with the nature and methods of Ukrainian mobilization?
Or are you all the same about the "volunteers" of Semenchenko and Abelmas?
As a resident of Donetsk, I ask you.
And I know about the mood in the rest of Ukraine - they have been waiting and waiting for us there, although they have largely lost faith over the years.
They did not lose faith in their choice, but in the ability and desire of Russia to save its people and return their lands.

Quote: loki565

When it was proposed to hold a referendum

The referendum was not only "proposed", but also held, and there are enough videos on YouTube about WHAT was the turnout and what (!) Were the results of this vote.
If the people of Donbass were split within themselves, they would never have stood in the battles of the summer of 2014, when the entire military and criminal punitive machine of the former Ukraine fell upon them.
Or are you again about Abelmas's gang and the "Semenchenko battalion", who were bandits and crooks even before the war. The Abelmas gang was even condemned by the Ukrainian court (!) For the crimes committed.

Or do you really think that the inhabitants of Donbass ... voluntarily went under the banner of the UkroWerrmacht to bomb their cities?
Do not confuse forced mobilization and human free will ... You are too far from understanding our realities.

[Insurgent]

Quote: bayard

As a resident of Donetsk, I ask you.

Useless , I tried to explain the same to him. But ... either deliberately perverts, or

Quote: bayard

And I know about the mood in the rest of Ukraine - they have been waiting and waiting for us there, although they have largely lost faith over the years.

I have one here, "from that Ukraine", "a sofa-fighter for Novorossiya" wrote-naughty, and here he squeals that little Putin has done ... For them?

[bayard]

It seems that on purpose - too stubborn and resourceful.
... Although the propaganda of Solovyov and others like him taught the hamsters that the population of historical Russia is entirely Bandera and convinced Russophobes .

[Insurgent]

Quote: bayard

propaganda of Solovyov and others like him, taught the hamsters that the population of historical Russia is entirely Bandera and convinced Russophobes

Cool ... Only one fighter told me that I allegedly constantly write that there were entirely Bandera's followers in the dill.
He is a liar
The fact that there are completely persecuted, disorganized and intimidated people - I will write and write, because it is ...

[bayard]

Quote: Insurgent

The fact that there are completely persecuted, disorganized and intimidated people - I will write and write, because it is ...

Exactly . And it cannot be otherwise - on whom should they rely in their protest? If they were thrown back in 2014? After all, we ourselves forbade them to raise uprisings back in 2014, because we could not help ... we simply would not have time ...
The rally activity in the spring of 2014 showed well the balance of forces of socially active citizens - there were many times more of us, despite the fact that they (the Maidan activists) were paid.
But for us - no.

[Nick rex]

".. we were waiting and waiting there .." lol
no, they don’t wait. and they don’t expect anything good, so they protect themselves as much as they can. I would say more. but they’ll get banned, heh

[bayard]

Do not break the fuse.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

How obvious is the emergence of the military infrastructure of the United States and NATO (it already exists) on the borders of the Belgorod, Voronezh and Rostov regions.
The enemy is near Belgorod and Rostov!

What a horror. NATO infrastructure, if NATO wanted it, would already be on the borders of the Leningrad, Pskov and Smolensk regions.

[bayard]

Infrastructure is not troops deployed for the offensive, but logistics infrastructure, intelligence and special means. Including military tank. laboratories.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

if NATO wanted it, it would already be on the borders of the Leningrad, Pskov and Smolensk regions.

And would you be exposed to a preemptive blow?
They are not heroes in order to risk their lives - in the first echelon they will let just the Young Europeans and the Youngonatists - the armies of the countries of Eastern Europe. They will support them with air strikes (KR, UAVs, etc.), they will support the European NATO armies, which are still soldiers, but they can cope with them as barriers. And again, they will support it with aviation. And the US Army - heroically in the third echelon - is to urge everyone on and strengthen their morale.
Thinking a joke?
Not at all.
NATO will be conducting a series of massive exercises this summer with an unprecedented number of people involved. In 12 European countries. Near our borders. And in high headquarters, very many believe that this could be a legend for combat deployment before an attack on Russia.
"Can't it be"?
Maybe.
It can very well.
The war could have flared up back in 2014.
It could have been later. Repeatedly .
That is precisely why it is high time, no later than this spring, to implement the final solution of the "Ukrainian question".
And here the question is not in politics, and not in economics, but exclusively in military expediency and even necessity.
Like the "partition of Poland" in 1939, the return of the non-states of the Baltic states and Bessarabia to the USSR-Russia. PUSH THE WESTERN BORDERS ON THE EVE OF WAR.
Do you really think that there will be no war?
Will be .
Necessarily will .
And no later than 2022
But maybe in this too - they will simply accelerate, like a coup in the former Ukraine. (Postponed from 2015 to 2014)

What about

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Leningrad, Pskov and Smolensk regions.

... well, why should they climb into these swamps? Their technique will not work there.
It is much more interesting for them to strike through Voronezh and Belgorod, to Rostov ...
That is why they started talking in high headquarters about a preemptive and even preventive strike.
How else ?
Otherwise, the chances will not be equal.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

Infrastructure is not troops deployed for the offensive, but logistics infrastructure, intelligence and special means. Including military tank. laboratories.

Infrastructure, whatever we mean by it, would be where I said if NATO wanted it.

Quote: bayard

And would you be exposed to a preemptive blow?

You are confused in your own thoughts. In the Baltics, they are (in your opinion) afraid of being substituted, but in Ukraine they will not be afraid. Logics!

Quote: bayard

They are not heroes in order to risk their lives - in the first echelon they will let just the Young Europeans and the Youngonatists - the armies of the countries of Eastern Europe.

Ale, young-NATO or old-NATO are all the same NATO.

Quote: bayard

That is precisely why it is high time, no later than this spring, to implement the final solution of the "Ukrainian question".

Although formulations like the "final decision" are completely empty and anything can be injected into them, depending on the situation, one thing can be said - there will be no "final decision" until the summer.

Quote: bayard

Do you really think that there will be no war? smile
Will be . yes
Necessarily will . soldier
And no later than 2022

You forgot to say who will fight whom.

[bayard]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Infrastructure, whatever we mean by it, would be where I said if NATO wanted it.

It is already there, but exactly to the extent that is justified for them - they cannot launch an offensive from there. They are not the Wehrmacht, which is nevertheless stuck under Peter.
They want to fight with someone else's hands - as in Syria, Ukraine, Libya and Iraq.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

You are confused in your own thoughts. In the Baltics, they are (in your opinion) afraid of being substituted, but in Ukraine they will not be afraid. Logics!

In the Baltics, they will not be able to achieve and build on their success. And they understand this well. The Balts do not have armies - the division is barely enough for three. And Ukraine has an army, has already been trained, and the border near Voronezh, Belgorod and Rostov has been shelled. Steppe. They will back up with Poles, Romanians, Hungarians and other Czechs, and into battle - to the last Slav.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Ale, young-NATO or old-NATO are all the same NATO.

Size and quality matter. And they are of little value to the "Old West" - cannon fodder for a war with Russia.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Although formulations like the "final decision" are completely empty and anything can be injected into them, depending on the situation, one thing can be said - there will be no "final decision" until the summer.

The return of the primordially Russian lands into the bosom of a single state.
The official motive and pretext is Ukraine's refusal to comply with the Minsk agreements and the continuation of the war in Donbass.
At the expense of "until the summer" - you need to keep up with the start of NATO maneuvers. That is, finish before early to mid-June.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Necessarily will . soldier
And no later than 2022


You forgot to say who will fight whom.

And we have one enemy, and we did not choose him.
Collective, systemic, historical. And he called himself an enemy - in his doctrine.
We don't have to choose with whom.
But we have to choose - HOW.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

At the expense of "until the summer" - you need to keep up with the start of NATO maneuvers. That is, finish before early to mid-June.

It was just "no later than spring". it is already the beginning of summer. Okay, we'll see. When nothing happens, it will be fun to see how you wag.

Quote: bayard

You forgot to say who will fight whom.

And we have one enemy, and we did not choose him.

I don't know who your enemy is - maybe you are still at war with Hitler (by the way, that war has already ended). It is a pity that you do not name the enemy directly - it would be more convenient to poke you into such a statement.

Quote: bayard

But we have to choose - HOW.

You are a simple military pensioner. You don't have to choose anything.

[bayard]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

It was just "no later than spring". it is already the beginning of summer.

Isn't it the same thing?
If it does not happen, then the war was postponed once again.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

I don't know who your enemy is - maybe you are still fighting Hitler

Until now, we are at war with the army of Bandera Ukraine. Personally, we are in Donbas. I'm from Donetsk, after all.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Wish you called the enemy directly

Quote: bayard

Collective, systemic, historical. And he called himself an enemy - in his doctrine.

Didn't you recognize him?
Really?

And if you think about it?

Quote: bayard

he himself called himself an enemy - in his doctrine.

Still don't know?
I know him with the "First Cold" and never changed in his capacity.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

You are a simple military pensioner.

Past again. Military in the past, but did not serve until retirement. Many other places where he worked.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

You don't have to choose anything.

Every day we have to do something and choose between something.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

If it does not happen, then the war was postponed once again.

Clear.

Quote: bayard

Didn't you recognize him? smile
Really?
lol
And if you think about it?

I prefer not to think about what exactly the interlocutor means. And the fact that he does not give a direct answer speaks volumes.

Quote: bayard

Every day we have to do something and choose between something.

If you have forgotten the context, it was about the fact that you, an ordinary military pensioner, cannot choose HOW. Even if you are not a military pensioner, but simply a retired former military man.

[bayard]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

If you have forgotten the context, it was about the fact that you, an ordinary military pensioner, cannot choose HOW.

So after all, I did not write "I", but WE. And we have a lot of ours where decisions are made.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

I prefer not to think about what exactly the interlocutor means.

USA, England and their allies, including NATO.
Generally they are called the West.
Although Japan is also part of them.
Or did you fall from the moon?
But of course they are "not enemies" to you.
The fifth column and the sixth, so they always say everywhere.
This is your marker.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

So after all, I did not write "I", but WE

"WE" without "I" is "THEY".

Quote: bayard

USA, England and their allies, including NATO.
Generally they are called the West.
Although Japan is also part of them.
Or did you fall from the moon? bully
But of course they are "not enemies" to you.

They are not your enemies either - it is just convenient for you to think so. Those. you say there will be a war with NATO no later than 2022, okay. And on the other hand, who will fight - the DPR? Or DPR in alliance with LPR? Or who?

[bayard]

Quote: Eye of the Crying

"WE" without "I" is "THEY".

We are WE, including the "I".

Quote: Eye of the Crying

They are not your enemies either - it is just convenient for you to think so.

The enemy is a subjective concept. The executioner is a friend to someone.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

Those. you say that no later than 2022 there will be a war with NATO, okay.

Everything goes to this, and I have long known about dates, plans and numbers. Corrections are also possible, but this is no longer essential. By the way, I have known about this date since 1985 ... no matter how surprised you are.

Quote: Eye of the Crying

And on the other hand, who will fight - the DPR? Or DPR in alliance with LPR? Or who?

All who are supposed to, and possibly those who are not supposed to, but will have to.
I live in Donetsk now, but that was not always the case. I am a citizen of Russia, I was born in Russia (RSFSR), lived and worked in Russia. And regarding the "DPR and LPR", then we are Russia, because we have defended the right to be such in the struggle and battles, and political pseudo-borders do not matter.
There will be war, it cannot be avoided.
And this is not our choice.
But this is our way.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: bayard

By the way, I have known about this date since 1985. ... no matter how surprised you are

It doesn't surprise me. Not surprising at all.

Quote: bayard

And about the "DPR and LPR", then we are Russia

Of course of course.

[Achilles]

Quote: Greenwood

that Russia will soon annex these territories like Crimea. Only now she did not join, the leadership did not have enough willpower.

What to take? Areas stubs? You understand that this must be done at the right time of the disintegration of Ukraine and in a completely different volume, in order, at least, to solve the problem of obtaining the entire coast of two seas, ports and a land corridor to Transnistria. Provide a buffer from the current borders of the Russian Federation. The consequences will be inevitable, so at least then you need to solve all the problems at once. Otherwise, name at least one important historical reason for the recognition of these pieces now for the interests of Russia? It's just that Putin, in contrast to emotions, thinks and acts in the interests of Russian citizens and for a historical perspective. The risks must be justified.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Achilles

The risks must be justified.

"You understand this, I understand this, he understands this ..."(c) But it is almost impossible to explain elementary things to narrow-minded people.
What is typical, in the event of a different development of events, with a sharp kneading with the direct participation of the RF Armed Forces, the same organisms would already whine with might and main about the uselessness of another "alien" war, about filling up with corpses, and, as they usually do, about something. " women are still giving birth. " And so on ad infinitum. Therefore, any such attempt to convey something to them, with logical calculations, turns into a waste of time (throwing beads based on the Moscow Spartak).

[paco.soto]

What to take? Areas stubs? You understand that this must be done at the right time of the disintegration of Ukraine and in a completely different volume, in order, at least, to solve the problem of obtaining the entire coast of two seas, ports and a land corridor to Transnistria. Provide a buffer from the current borders of the Russian Federation. The consequences will be inevitable, so at least then you need to solve all the problems at once. Otherwise, name at least one important historical reason for the recognition of these pieces now for the interests of Russia? It's just that Putin, in contrast to emotions, thinks and acts in the interests of Russian citizens and for a historical perspective. The risks must be justified.
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[Svarog]

Quote: loki565

Russia is quite satisfied with the independence of Donbass, as a buffer zone from NATO

Are the people of Donbass satisfied? People sacrificed their well-being, and many sacrificed their lives for the sake of becoming a part of Russia .. but what in the end? Please be understanding?

If we recognize independence, we can trade both with individual states and, in extreme cases, help arms.

So it was necessary not to recognize the Ukrainian government when it came to power illegally, and on this wave to include Donbass in Russia .. And there would be half of Ukraine, on this wave they followed Russia .. And there would be our Ukraine now .. let and without its western part ..

[loki565]

Are the people of Donbass satisfied? People sacrificed their well-being, and many sacrificed their lives for the sake of becoming a part of Russia .. but what in the end? Please be understanding?

And Russia saved and helped many people, only those have a short memory, as soon as 30 pieces of silver are enticed and there are plenty of such examples.

So it was necessary not to recognize the Ukrainian government when it came to power illegally, and on this wave to include Donbass in Russia .. And there would be half of Ukraine, on this wave they followed Russia .. And there would be our Ukraine now .. let and without its western part ..

Well, we didn’t recognize it, the West would recognize it and start helping with money and weapons. Those who glorify Bendera would go? do not make me laugh. A war would start and Russia would already be a party to the conflict.

[Svarog]

Quote: loki565

And Russia saved and helped many people, only those have a short memory, as soon as 30 pieces of silver are enticed and there are plenty of such examples.

And it is not them that needs to be saved, but ourselves. The post-Soviet space is our sphere of influence and security. In this case, we are saving ourselves, and along the way, the peoples who have been with Russia for centuries and who are now trying to reformat and send them to war with us.

Well, we didn’t recognize it, the West would recognize it and start helping with money and weapons. Those who glorify Bendera would go? do not make me laugh. A war would start and Russia would already be a party to the conflict.

Georgia was helped a lot by the West? liberals ... you have already proved your worthlessness ..

[loki565]

And it is not them that needs to be saved, but ourselves. The post-Soviet space is our sphere of influence and security. In this case, we are saving ourselves, and along the way, the peoples who have been with Russia for centuries and who are now trying to reformat and send them to war with us.

That is why Russia is helping the LDNR, without help they would not have held out for a year. As a separate state with which integration is possible in the future. And the population of the LDNR is simply given Russian citizenship, everyone who wanted it has already received it.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Svarog

Has the West helped Georgia much?

And that Russia won it? But I helped to prepare for the war, they gave me money, weapons, instructors and everything needed.

[Shiden]

Sorry, Vladimir, but that Russia has settled at least one military conflict in the post-Soviet space in 30 years. I have frozen it here, I agree. But as experience shows, the Karabakh conflict, where Russian diplomacy for 30 years only made statements of success, Aizerbajan found a new patron and the matter got off the ground.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Svarog

And our Ukraine would be now ..

And then the inevitable fire would be poured into the inevitable fire according to the worked-out Chechen method of the genius Putin?
'Let's get everything back!' is a jigsaw box for training fine motor skills in geriatric patients. Endorphins from nostalgia for the USSR will allow you to save on tranquilizing pills.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

And then the inevitable fire would be poured into the inevitable fire according to the worked-out Chechen method of the genius Putin?

moot point ?!...
For example, oil from Ichkeria remained in the revenues of the RF budget ?! A little or a lot ?!
И on time intervention in 2014 industrial part of the southeast (and this and Nikolaev "Zorya-Mashproekt" with marine gas turbine engines !!!, and "Motor Sich" and KB "Progress" with aircraft engines !!! and Kharkov Design Bureau Antonov and the plant them. Malysheva !!!.... and many many others)... ? !! would remain on their territory, and not "would go broke until the asset price fell completely", and further purchase in the interests of the same Turkey ?! ... And this despite the mass of its problems, both in shipbuilding and in aircraft construction. (!!!)... a little or a lot ?!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

For example, oil from Ichkeria remained in the revenues of the RF budget

but what does oil have to do with it? Chechen loyalty was bought by federal money.
And how much oil is there? 0,002% of the total Russian production? Yes, and something imperceptibly that Rosneft jumped on to build an oil refinery in Chechnya - the world in this rat house is based only on Putin and the academician, and Sechin is not in a position to pump money into risky assets - whether Putin leaves or the academician is overwhelmed - that's all, the khan's assets.

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

And with the intervention on time in 2014, the industrial part .... and much, much more) ...? !! would stay on their territory

Intervention? What kind of? Annexation? An occupation? Raider seizure of assets? Or will you also pick up cheap euphemisms such as "the will of the people", "referendum", "request of the current president" and other nonsense?

[113262a]

First, the Crimeans at first (each individually) were not asked if they wanted to or not! The fact that there, in Crimea, there was always movement, both Zhirik and a peasant in a cap came, and everyone who was not too lazy from Russia and SUPPORTED is a fact, and no one has come to Donbass since 91, and did not ask, we want we are in Russia, or not! I say that they WANTED, at least, they definitely did not want Bandera's followers, and that they voted for the allegedly non-Ukrainian Ukrainians, because there was no other way out, this confirmation!

[loki565]

First, the Crimeans at first (each individually) were not asked if they wanted to or not! The fact that there, in Crimea, there was always movement, both Zhirik and a peasant in a cap came, and everyone who was not too lazy from Russia and SUPPORTED is a fact, and no one has come to Donbass since 91, and did not ask, we want we are in Russia, or not! I say that they WANTED, at least, they definitely did not want Bandera's followers, and that they voted for the allegedly non-Ukrainian Ukrainians, because there was no other way out, this confirmation!

They campaigned for Crimea, because they understood that Ukraine did not really need it, it did not invest anything in it, which has remained since the times of the USSR. And Donbass is the production sector of Ukraine, she just won't give it away ..

[113262a]

They campaigned for Crimea, because they understood that Ukraine did not really need it, it did not invest anything in it, which has remained since the times of the USSR. And in Donbass Ukraine ruled aaaaaa!))) No more than in Crimea! Milking as she wanted! And Donbass is the production sector of Ukraine, it just won't give it away .. So Donbass is not Ukrainian for 7 years already! Che is not taken away? All gallop excuses!

[clerk]

... Crimea was annexed .. without blood, and then it would be exactly the same, whether it was political will.

This is nonsense at the elementary school level. In 2014, 1/3 of the population supported Russia in Donbass, 1 / 4-1 / 5 were actively opposed, the rest were a swamp. This is the data of sociologists. For comparison, in Crimea, 3/4 of the population supported Russia. If Russia had annexed Donbass then, it would have had to crush by force the armed resistance actively supported by the West (to the cries of the West and others like you that Russia is killing peaceful Ukrainians) and at the same time ensuring the Russian standard of living in the occupied territories - salaries, pensions, social services (you can remember how much cost 2,5 million Crimea). In the face of active opposition from the West and its lackeys here, neither the economy, nor the political system, nor the society of Russia could withstand this. Therefore, those who accuse Putin that Russia "did not reach the Dnieper" are either clearly stupid, or simply enemies not of Putin, but of Russia.

[Svarog]

Quote: clerk

... Therefore, those who accuse Putin that "did not reach the Dnieper", Lilith are clearly poor-minded, or simply enemies not of Putin, but of Russia

Yes, with your logic at 41, you would have smeared your forehead with brilliant green .. It's even scary to imagine .. what would you carry, because there were Bandera in Ukraine .. and they were against the Soviet regime .. fought for the Nazis .. which means (according to your logic ) it was impossible to conquer Ukraine .. there were some who were against .. but about Poland, the Baltic states generally keep quiet ..
There is no democracy in war, there is power and propaganda.

[clerk]

You would not have survived with your cheap windbag and 1937. The USSR fought with Bandera on its internationally recognized TERRITORY. You are demanding repressions on the territory, which, in your opinion, should be seized by Russia in violation of all borders and laws. This is not even stupidity - it is, as Yuri Mukhin wrote on another occasion, anti-Russian meanness.

[Svarog]

Quote: clerk

You are demanding repressions on the territory, which, in your opinion, should be seized by Russia in violation of all borders and laws. This is not even stupidity - it is, as Yuri Mukhin wrote on another occasion, anti-Russian meanness.

Do I demand reprisals? Where did you read it? As long as you comply with American laws, the United States has made a gas station out of Russia. When the government is changing illegally in Ukraine, with the direct support of the United States, Russia on this basis, referring to its own security, could establish constitutional order in Ukraine, thereby preventing a coup. Having solved a lot of my problems along the way ..
If no one observes international law, if the Russian people are pitted against each other and are trying to be sent to war .. then what international norms are you in general .. If the fascists burst into your house and engage in pleasures with you .. you will shout about international right?

[clerk]

And here again they wrote nonsense. Regardless of your wishes, it is impossible to suppress armed resistance without repression. And this would greatly frame Russia. And you don’t understand a fig about international law - international law is a bow to the law of the strong. The USSR carried out repressions on the territory where the Soviet influence was recognized by its opponents back in Yalta. You are proposing to act repressively on a territory that is not recognized by anyone either by law or by concept. Are you able to grasp the difference or will you only produce empty slogans?

[Svarog]

Quote: clerk

Are you able to grasp the difference or will you only produce empty slogans?

The strong man sets the rules, and the loser lives by them ... It suits you, but I don't. Russia is still strong. Only her elite is weak ..

[clerk]

It was in such a hat and idle talk that led to defeat in the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-05, and then to 1914, 1917 and the Civil War with all the consequences.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Svarog

The strong make the rules, and the loser lives by them ...

So make the rules for Putin? We'll see.

[113262a]

From this ARGUMENTISCHE! Sociologists! Ukropskiye, chtoli? According to the results of the referendum on May 11, 14, it was under 90%! And about the current LIVING STANDARD in the LDNR, so come, live for permanent residence and eat to the bone! Certainly not the SHOWCASE about which Soloviev and the company are singing! And the cries of the West, so they are and will be. Even if Donbass and Crimea and half of Russia are given away. So hello from us SKIDOUS!

[clerk]

Did you vote in 1991 for an independent Ukraine? Well, there is nothing to whine now. Russia will not leave you in trouble, but it’s not for you to tell her what to do. I do not like? Bring it back to Ukraine.

[113262a]

Count up, Crimeans also voted! But Donbass voted a BAAAAL question then! Or are you straight, the chairman of that election commission? Tady kaneshna!

[clerk]

The results of that referendum are on the net - Crimeans voted against. But Donbass already then wanted to sit on two chairs. Therefore, it still sits like this.

[113262a]

The manual did not smell like beer and fish! Ask for a new one! We remember about the MINERS from ZABOEVNEEVNE, and we will never forget!

[clerk]

And where did so many "alternatively gifted" come from? Are you able to type in Wiki "an all-Ukrainian referendum (1991) and see how your beloved Donbass voted for the independence of Ukraine with a score of 84% and 76%?"

[113262a]

Oh yeah! Wiki is our (your) everything! I have been living in Lugansk for 57 years without getting out and was in the same district commission. And I certainly know what and how! Paul Lugansk even left Soviet military cards! So at 14 with them and called. Straight, Gordon what that!

[clerk]

So how"? How did you, as a member of the district election commission, assign votes for the independence of Ukraine?

[The eye of the crying]

When the Donbass voted for the independence of Ukraine, military cards were only Soviet, so no argument.

[113262a]

Reading to the end is not destiny? It has been said, half of the volunteers in Lugansk turned out to be Soviet-style military men, the oath-even the USSR! Not Ukraine! And goldosovaldi in Lugansk-nifiga is not for the collapse of the USSR. By the way, the Russian Federation also wanted independence then!

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: 113262

It has been said, half of the volunteers in Lugansk turned out to be Soviet-style military men, the oath-even the USSR! Not Ukraine!

And what - it somehow prevented them from voting for the independence of Ukraine?

Quote: 113262

By the way, the Russian Federation also wanted independence then!

EMNIP, in the referendum, the majority voted in favor of preserving the Union everywhere except the Baltic states. Another thing is that this did not affect anything.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: clerk

If Russia then annexed the Donbass, it would have to put pressure on the actively supported by the West armed resistance

bullshit !! then he would not have been at least until Khmelnytsky and Vinnitsa, or even beyond them !!! up to Lvov and Ivanofrankovsk ...!!!

Quote: clerk

... to the cries of the West and others like you

so rather like you !! и

Quote: clerk

clearly stupid

[clerk]

- One Ukrainian is a hard worker and a strong owner!
- Two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment!
- And three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor!

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Svarog

Crimea was annexed ... without blood

These tricks work only once.

[Alex Nevs]

Nonsense. And what about the referendum? True, the area is not complete, something like that. This question was initially frozen, perhaps not arbitrarily. But I doubt the "involuntary".

[loki565]

Nonsense. And what about the referendum? True, the area is not complete, something like that. This question was initially frozen, perhaps not arbitrarily. But I doubt the "involuntary".

A referendum in Donbass could have shown a completely different picture. Do you know how many Lao PDR citizens are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

A referendum in Donbass could have shown a completely different picture.

Could you? And showed what? People have risen for the republics and for Russia.

Quote: loki565

Do you know how many Lao PDR citizens are fighting on the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

Again, the old record? Are you going to talk provocative nonsense? I answered you:

Quote: Insurgent

I know - NOT MUCH.

By "citizens of the DPR and LPR" you mistakenly mean persons who previously lived in the territories of the former Donetsk and Luhansk regions, rowing one size fits all.

But the "divide, between and between" happened back in 2014, and those who fled, left, and are fighting against Donbass are not our citizens.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: loki565

Are you going to fight for Donbass? You can't attach it without blood and everyone understands it

Lying. If added, the war would end right there

[loki565]

Lying. If added, the war would end right there

Lying. If they did, the war would begin and Russia would have to introduce a regular army, incur losses, and it would already be a party to the conflict with all that it implies.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: loki565

If added, the war would begin and Russia would have to introduce a regular army

The answer to this nonsense is simple - Crimea.

[loki565]

The answer to this nonsense is simple - Crimea.

Once again, for the special, in the Crimea, the population is loyal to Russia. In Donbas, the referendum could well end 20% for Russia, 20% for Ukraine and 60% were undecided. And from western Ukraine they would overtake non-brothers who rode on the Maidan, this is not Crimea where you can quickly close the isthmus and establish a border.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: loki565

Once again, for the special, in the Crimea, the population is loyal to Russia. In Donbass, the referendum could well end 20% for Russia, 20% for Ukraine and 60% were undecided

I will not even ask what hangover these figures are taken from. The population of Donbass is quite loyal to the Russian Federation and is ready to enter there - especially after the hostilities with the rest of Ukraine.

Quote: loki565

And from western Ukraine they would overtake non-brothers who rode on the Maidan

Where would you catch up? :)))) To the new territory of the Russian Federation? Are you out of your mind at all? Such personalities would have jumped in the moment, even if they were even allowed to pass.

Quote: loki565

this is not Crimea where you can quickly close the isthmus and establish a border.

This is Donbass, where the border has already been established

[loki565]

I will not even ask what hangover these figures are taken from. The population of Donbass is quite loyal to the Russian Federation and is ready to enter there - especially after the hostilities with the rest of Ukraine.

It was after the outbreak of hostilities that before that there were most who did not decide.

Where would you catch up? :)))) To the new territory of the Russian Federation? Are you out of your mind at all? Such personalities would have jumped in the moment, even if they were even allowed to pass.

This was the territory of Ukraine, and how do you prohibit Ukrainian citizens from moving in your country? This will only make Russia an aggressor, and no one needs it.

This is Donbass, where the border has already been established

Well, look at the map of the territory of Donbass before and now.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: loki565

It was after the outbreak of hostilities that before that there were most who did not decide.

And what does this have to do with the current situation?

Quote: loki565

This was the territory of Ukraine, and how do you prohibit Ukrainian citizens from moving in your country?

There is such a concept - a state border. Even children know about it.

Quote: loki565

This will only make Russia an aggressor, and no one needs it.

If the Russian Federation recognizes the results of the referendum, then everything will be in accordance with the law, and we are exposed as aggressors.
In general, no need to flog nonsense (it hurts!). We do not accept Donbass in the Russian Federation for one simple reason - our leadership does not need it. It does not want to take on another region that is economically unprofitable, which, if developed, will create competition for Russian metallurgists and miners. And there is probably a second consideration. Ukraine today is a state hostile to the Russian Federation, and Donbass is a problem, to which its resources are directed, weakens it.
In general, instead of accepting it into the Russian Federation after the outbreak of hostilities in the Donbass, after which it would be quite possible to expect the collapse and shrinking of Ukraine (other regions could also go to us), we are growing a neighbor that hates us at our side.

[loki565]

If the Russian Federation recognizes the results of the referendum, then everything will be in accordance with the law, and we are exposed as aggressors.
In general, no need to flog nonsense (it hurts!). We do not accept Donbass in the Russian Federation for one simple reason - our leadership does not need it. It does not want to take on another region that is economically unprofitable, which, if developed, will create competition for Russian metallurgists and miners. And there is probably a second consideration. Ukraine today is a state hostile to the Russian Federation, and Donbass is a problem, to which its resources are directed, weakens it.
In general, instead of accepting it into the Russian Federation after the outbreak of hostilities in the Donbass, after which it would be quite possible to expect the collapse and shrinking of Ukraine (other regions could also go to us), we are growing a neighbor that hates us at our side.

Quite possible. In modern realities, the Russian Federation does not want to restore, protect, and invest in the destroyed region. But it also suits as a buffer from NATO and obstruction of Ukraine's entry into NATO. Ideally, Russia needs all of Ukraine (possibly without its western regions) And the nearest future is recognition of the independence of the LPNR
P.S. many assumed that with the loss of industrial Donbass and high costs of the war, Ukraine would begin to fall apart ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Ukraine will start to fall apart ........ my friend, open your eyes. Ukraine no longer exists. there is a Kiev junta and regions where everyone has their own constitution and legislation, plus the uncontrolled rampant of armed gangs ... forget such a word as the state of Ukraine, it's time. as everyone forgot what Yugoslavia is and forget about wnau ... it's just a territory, and extremely dangerous for the civilian population

[clerk]

... We do not accept Donbass in Russia for one simple reason - our leadership does not need it. It does not want to take on another region that is economically unprofitable, which, if developed, will create competition for Russian metallurgists and miners.

Andrey, the financial director speaks in you In real life, Donbass is a profitable region even now, but export-oriented. But if it is accepted into Russia, then the West will easily stifle Donbass exports with sanctions similar to the Crimean ones. And then Russia will have to take the Donbass for full maintenance, and according to Russian standards. What the RF budget will not stand.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

In real life, Donbass is a profitable region even now, but export-oriented. But if it is accepted into Russia, then the West will easily strangle Donbass exports with sanctions similar to those of Crimea. And then Russia will have to take the Donbass for full maintenance, and according to Russian standards.

You think so, but the Ministry of Income and Tax Collections of the DPR thinks differently.

The DPR Ministry of Revenue and Duties reported that residents of 12 countries became buyers of exported products last year.
The ministry stressed that Russia remains the main trading partner of the Donetsk People's Republic.
“The buyers of the exported products are residents of 12 countries of the world. Traditionally, the main trade partners of the Republic are the constituent entities of the Russian Federation - in 2020 they accounted for 77% of the total trade turnover ... "

[clerk]

a brief overview of foreign economic activity. - this is not an overview of income and expenses

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

a brief overview of foreign economic activity. - this is not an overview of income and expenses

It’s no question, if you have such an overview showing that the bulk of the profits from foreign economic activity the DPR receives from 23% of non-Russian supplies - show it. I will get acquainted with pleasure.
If you do not have one, then I note that

The department clarified that the rest of the export trade is conducted with residents from Kazakhstan, Belarus, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and a number of other countries.

And I am very interested in what prompted you to think that Kazakh or Belarusian contracts are much more profitable for the DPR than Russian ones. I am even more interested in how the West will stifle the supply of products from the DPR to Ossetia or Abkhazia with sanctions.

[clerk]

In February 2018 alone, coal mining enterprises in the DPR raised 693,5 thousand tons of coal to the mountain. Although Russian officials still do not officially confirm the existence of a railway connection with the DPR and LPR, it is not possible to completely hide the huge volumes of supplies. Representatives of the DPR and LPR first openly announced the start of exporting anthracite from these territories to the Russian Federation about a year ago. Today through Russia from the self-proclaimed republics exported about 1 million tons of coal per month.

Such volumes are simply not needed in Russia, where a lot of its own fuel of similar quality is produced. Russia will only legalize this coal, so that then it will go as Russian to other countries, including Ukraine and the EU countries ...... ,,,. If local wagons were used, then they were officially cleared for Russia from a Ukrainian enterprise. Russia, on the other hand, works with us not as with the DPR, but as with Ukraine (C)

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

Such volumes in Russia, where a lot of its own fuel of similar quality is produced, is simply not needed. Russia will only legalize this coal, so that then it will go as Russian to other countries, including Ukraine and the EU countries.

Accordingly, in order to suppress the export of coal from the DPR, if it became a Russian region, it would be required nothing less than to cut off the export of coal from the Russian Federation. More recently, half of the coal consumed by German power plants was Russian ...

[clerk]

Gas is much more important to the Germans than coal and what problems arise. And to slow down the export of Russian coal is not a problem for Europe at all, there is its own coal.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

Gas is much more important to the Germans than coal and what problems arise

No :))) They buy gas regularly :))))) Problems with gas transportation - yes, they do, but there can be no question of giving up our gas. The whole question is how they will receive gas - through Ukraine, or through a joint venture.

Quote: clerk

And to slow down the export of Russian coal is not a problem for Europe at all, coal will be found there.

No, it won't. Why ours and buy. Of course, there is coal in Europe, where without it, but the cost of its production ... In the same Germany EMNIP, it lies deep, and the layers are water and gas saturated.

[clerk]

1) Well, if the Americans want to get in with their LNG, this means not only transportation problems, but also a redistribution of the market 2) Well, there is Polish coal, Ruhr. Again, if necessary, it will not be so difficult to restrict the Russian export of Donbass coal - specialists will distinguish it, and the authorities will force it to register it in contracts. Of course, Russia will be able to replace Donbas coal in Europe with its own, but this is an additional cost.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

1) Well, if the Americans want to get in with their LNG, this means not only transportation problems, but also a redistribution of the market

Want is not harmful. The fact is that US LNG is banally expensive even if it is subsidized by the state.

Quote: clerk

u have polish coal, ruhr. Again, if necessary, it will not be so difficult to restrict Russian exports of Donbas coal.

(shrug) They will export Russian coal. and Donbass to use for internal needs.

Quote: clerk

Of course, Russia will be able to replace Donbass coal in Europe with its own, but this is an additional cost.

This is being done now, I think.

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

In real life, Donbass is a profitable region even now, but export-oriented. But if it is accepted into Russia, then the West will easily strangle Donbass exports with sanctions similar to those of Crimea.

You will strongly distinguish "Donetsk" metal, coal, agricultural products from Russian ?

Sanctions? Yes ugh! We are already under blockade, and nevertheless, we export. The Turks, for example, are deeply on their drum, what kind of coal they brought, from the Rostov region, or from the DPR-LPR. If only the price suits, and burns as it should ...

[clerk]

The concept of customs clearance of export is unfamiliar to you, I do not understand coal, but a specialist can easily distinguish Donetsk coal

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

The concept of customs clearance of export is unfamiliar to you, I do not understand coal, but a specialist can easily distinguish Donetsk coal

Somehow, the recipients of coal (the same Turks), to this day, have not bothered to find out the origin of the fuel, because they do not need it ... Anyhow, it burned at TPPs or in blast furnaces, or "stoves" ...

[clerk]

Turks don't need to find out the origin of coal when it is officially Ukrainian. But if it is officially LDNR, problems may arise. Russia will have to officially act as a seller.

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

Turks don't need to find out the origin of coal when it is officially Ukrainian. But if it is officially LDNR, problems may arise. Russia will have to officially act as a seller.

Are you reading what I wrote earlier? COAL RUSSIAN, and is supplied from Russian ports on the Azov coast of the Russian Federation ...

DNR, let alone LNR, has no ports

[clerk]

Read what I wrote earlier - now LDNR coal is officially supplied as Ukrainian. Therefore, no one obstructs him. If it officially becomes LDNR, or even Russia starts replacing it with its own coal, problems may arise. These problems can be solved, but they also cost Russian money and resources. The question is - why is Russia?

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

Read what I wrote earlier - now LDNR coal is officially supplied as Ukrainian.

From the ports of the Russian Federation, in transit through the borders of the DPR-LPR with the Russian Federation, without customs clearance with dill ? What kind of nonsense are you talking about?

This is what comes out? The outskirts, which are waging a war against the DPR-LPR and Russia, formalize the export of coal, thus financing the Akhressor?

You if clerk, then a petty clerk is a loser, for your knowledge is

[clerk]

You are just a pink pony happily ignorant. For reasons of either enchanting illiteracy or congenital stupidity. Exports from the LPNR are indeed processed according to Ukrainian laws. If your consciousness is not able to recognize this, then you can continue to remain in your rosy ignorance. I dare not interfere.

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

You are just a pink pony happily ignorant. For reasons of either enchanting illiteracy or congenital stupidity. Exports from the LPNR are indeed processed according to Ukrainian laws.

No, it looks like it's you, a pink hybrid of a horse with a donkey, called ... I won't mention the name.

EXPORT OF GOODS FROM DNR When you conclude an agreement with a client for the supply of goods to another country / republic, you become participants in foreign economic activity.

That is, on the day of the conclusion of the contract, you must already have an accreditation card for a foreign trade participant More details HERE. Procedures to go through when exporting goods from the DPR 1. Conclude an agreement with the supplier. If the amount of the contract is more than 10 thousand dollars, the contract is subject to registration. Details about the registration of contracts - ARTICLE HERE. Requirements for contracts for the supply of foreign economic activity - ARTICLE HERE. 2. Register the TTN with the Ministry of Revenue and Duties, pay the profit tax in advance. Details about the registration of TTN - ARTICLE HERE. 3. Get a car pass. If you are exporting the goods by your own transport, then the application for a pass must be submitted together with the application for registration of the TTN. If you involve a carrier that is a subject of the DPR, then he makes the pass on his own. If you attract a carrier from another country / republic, then you, as the Seller of the goods, also submit an application for a pass. Details on obtaining a pass - link to the article in the second paragraph. 4. Carry out customs clearance of cargo in the Export mode at the Customs post - ARTICLE HERE. When goods are released from the customs territory of the DPR, customs officials at checkpoints (at the border) put on the TTN an imprint of the stamp "Under customs control" and a personal numbered seal.

Source: http://dnr-tamozhnya.ru/export


And further : https://gb-dnr.com/normativno-pravovye-akty/8480/

[clerk]

Pillbox you never realized that all LDNR customs papers are exclusively for domestic consumption. Outside the LDNR, they are not worth the paper they are drawn on.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

This is Donbass, where the border has already been established

The wrong perception of the situation by some Russians is striking ...

The borders of the DPR and LPR are established only with Russia, but what you call "borders"from the Outskirts, this is the so-called"demarcation line"in the vision of politicians and journalists, or more simply - the front line, behind which our territories are occupied by the outskirts.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Insurgent

The wrong perception of the situation by some Russians is striking ...

The inability to read a seemingly simple text is striking.

Quote: Insurgent

or, more simply, the front line, behind which our territories are occupied by the outskirts.

In fact, it is. A certain line that divides the DPR and Ukraine, delimiting their jurisdiction. What I actually wrote about. And yes, the Granite is a real or imaginary line in space or time, separating one object (body, process or state) from another.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In fact, it is. A certain line that divides the DPR and Ukraine, delimiting their jurisdiction. What I actually wrote about. And yes, the Granite is a real or imaginary line in space or time, separating one object (body, process or state) from another.

You still "push" the pro horizon line to fully reveal the stupidity of your train of thought.

It seems to you just like a tambourine, what is behind this "imaginary line" (which, by the way, are kept by our soldiers at the cost of their lives) our territories occupied by the Outskirts, not the Outskirts with its jurisdiction, which we do not intend to give up.

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

In Donbas, the referendum could well end 20% for Russia, 20% for Ukraine and 60% were undecided.

You are either narrow-minded, disoriented, or a liar ...

[clerk]

In 2014, when everything was just beginning, "who needs it" conducted sociological research in Donbass - 30-35% for Russia, 20-25% for Ukraine, the rest is a swamp.

[Insurgent]

Quote: clerk

In 2014, when everything was just beginning, "who needs it" conducted sociological research in Donbass

"Who needs it" is the CIA, SBU?

[clerk]

Thinking in the right direction, but I guess that the country was wrong

[clerk]

You are wrong - 1) there was already a Russian army in Crimea. 2) I suppose it makes no sense to compare the length of the land borders of Crimea and Donbass with Ukraine (to the question of the forces needed to defend Donbass) 3) In Crimea, Russia had 3/4 of the population, in Donbass - 1/3. 4) Even if the residents of Donbass did not begin to resist the Russian army themselves, they would be very "helped". The situation would change in a mirror image and the Ukrainian army would act under the guise of "partisans - militias", only fighting not against the Nazis - Bandera, but against the Russian aggression

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

You're wrong

All your arguments refer to the very beginning of hostilities in Donbass. And then there was a great increase in pro-Russian sentiments, and no one could speak of any "partisan detachments" from the word "in general."

Quote: clerk

I think it makes no sense to compare the length of the land borders of Crimea and Donbass with Ukraine (to the question of the forces needed to defend Donbass)

The usual border, with the usual border guards.

[clerk]

1) As for the growth of pro-Russian sentiments, this is a very changeable question. By the time of Debaltsevo, there could be growth, and then the pendulum could swing in the opposite direction. I have no exact data after 2015. An indirect sign is the proportion of residents of the LPR who have acquired Russian passports. 2) "Ordinary frontiers" is to catch single offenders. In the variant of the border in Donbass, they would have to be reinforced with army men in marketable quantities. Because the border with Ukraine would be similar to the Soviet-Polish border in the 1920s.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

An indirect sign is the proportion of residents of the LPR who have acquired Russian passports.

Very indirect, since it is an extremely burdensome business.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

"Ordinary frontiers" are to catch single offenders. In the variant of the border across Donbass, they would have to be reinforced with army men in marketable quantities.

There are army personnel there today, so I definitely do not see a problem

[clerk]

The problem is that now these army men are fleet in bin (or rather, this is not a problem), and if they were officially moved to the current front line, they would have to be officially involved in battles with "Ukrainian partisan detachments" each with a brigade with standard weapons. With all the ensuing consequences.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

The problem is that now these army men are fleet in bin (or rather, this is not a problem), but if they were officially moved to the current front line

Eugene, the army team there are in the form of the DPR and LPR troops :))) Which nothing prevents from being included in the "invincible and legendary".

Quote: clerk

x would have to officially engage in battles with "Ukrainian partisan detachments" each with a brigade with standard weapons

Today, there are no active large-scale battles, there are local-scale shootings. What allows you to consider that when joining the Russian Federation, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will operate in brigade groups? Generally speaking, this is a war with the Russian Federation, with all the attendant

[clerk]

1) Now "the rebels are fighting against ukrofashistov", and in your proposed version "Russian fascists will kill peacefully protesting Ukrainian fighters for freedom." 2) Yes, in fact, the war with Russia is the main goal of the ukroprekt. Only now they need to attack Russia, and in your proposed version they will be "noble defenders of their land." And a trick modeled after Crimea is not a fact that it will work.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

1) Now "the rebels are fighting against ukrofashistov", and in your proposed version, "Russian fascists will kill peacefully protesting Ukrainian fighters for freedom"

How? :)))) In the LPR and DPR there are no people capable of organizing any kind of serious armed resistance according to the partisan version. They would have organized it long ago.

Quote: clerk

Yes, in fact, the war with Russia is the main goal of the ukroprekt. Only now they need to attack Russia, and in your version they will be "noble defenders of their land."

From this point of view, no one is stopping them from returning Crimea. But they are not suicidal.

Quote: clerk

And a trick modeled after Crimea is not a fact that it will work.

What is there to play with? The LPR and DPR are holding a referendum on their inclusion in the Russian Federation, submit appropriate petitions, and we accept. All. Donbass is a primordially Russian land, and everyone who encroaches on ... Do you understand what the LPR and DPR troops will do with the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the large-scale support of our Aerospace Forces and other interesting means if they suddenly decide to attack? Kiev understands this for sure.

[clerk]

1) There is no political sense in this now. If Russia officially declares these territories its own, and Ukraine does not agree with this, there will be a temptation to arrange for Russia a second Chechnya with the direct support of the West. 2) Because nature is against - the isthmus is easy to control, and they have little chance of a successful landing from the sea. It will be much more difficult for Russia with the transparent and extended border of the LPNR. 3) The dream of the West is a large-scale direct clash between the Armed Forces of Russia and Ukraine in a situation where Russia is a direct aggressor.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

1) There is no political sense in this now. If Russia officially declares these territories its own, and Ukraine does not agree with this, there will be a temptation to arrange for Russia a second Chechnya with the direct support of the West.

Ukraine would gladly arrange a second Chechnya in the LPR and DPR, but it is physically incapable of doing this, including due to the absence of militants among the local population. Even in Crimea, where one could count on the Crimean Tatars, this issue did not work. And how to partisan in Donbass, and even in brigades :))))))) This is fantastic.

Quote: clerk

Because nature is against - the isthmus is easy to control, and they have little chance of a successful landing from the sea. It will be much more difficult for Russia with the transparent and extended border of the LPNR.

What is more difficult? :)))) Well, DRGs will still pass, but the trick is that DRGs could be thrown into the Crimea, and where are they there? :) And something more significant is an open declaration of war.

Quote: clerk

The West's dream is a large-scale direct clash between the Armed Forces of Russia and Ukraine in a situation where Russia is a direct aggressor.

But Ukraine will never agree to this, except in extreme cases, if suddenly our troops go to Kiev. And they won't go, why?

[clerk]

1) Ukraine already has Chechnya in the LDNR. And if Russia officially annexes these territories, then Zvpad will try to arrange a second Chechnya of Russia there. 2) It is more difficult to control an unrecognized, unmarked and unsettled border. 3) Well, provocations with shelling of Russian military units and sabotage can be. And since Russia will officially declare these territories its own, it will have to act according to the law. Which is difficult. Remember how much stench was with Sentsov and Savchenko.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: clerk

fleet in bin

This is just perfect!

[Black_Vatnik]

Are you going to fight for Donbass? You can't attach it without blood and everyone understands it

Blood has been pouring there since 2014, but what's the point?
If GDP had initially taken a tough stance, much less blood would have been shed, and today it would have stopped shedding. In South Ossetia, everything ended in a few days, after the beginning, and now there is peace. The reason for this is the tough position of the Kremlin. There was no blood at all in Crimea. The reason for this is the tough position of the Kremlin.

The coal business in Donbass is very good because it is semi-legal, since the DPR is a semi-legal state. And then think for yourself.

[loki565]

Blood has been pouring there since 2014, but what's the point?
If GDP had initially taken a tough stance, perhaps much less blood would have been shed, and today it would have stopped shedding. In South Ossetia, everything ended in a few days, after the beginning, and now there is peace. The reason for this is the tough position of the Kremlin. There was no blood at all in Crimea. The reason for this is the tough position of the Kremlin.
The coal business in Donbass is very good because it is semi-legal, since the DPR is a semi-legal state. And then think for yourself.

Quite possible. It is desirable to simplify the acquisition of Russian citizenship for the citizens of the LPR. This will allow the civilian population to move away from the war, and in the future will simplify integration into the Russian Federation.

[Black_Vatnik]

7 years have passed, what prevented you from doing this earlier?)
And what is the case with the LDNR "Peaceful population"? If I took a conditional machine gun to defend myself against the Banderlog, am I not peaceful? And who, in fact, should stay there?

[Insurgent]

Quote: loki565

It is desirable to simplify the acquisition of Russian citizenship for citizens of the LPR

Where to simplify further? Although, to be honest, it would not hurt to exclude the mandatory procedure for obtaining the citizenship of the republics, which has become a "bottleneck" (queues for years) in the entry into Russian citizenship.

Quote: loki565

This will allow the civilian population to get away from the war.

Where to go? From which I will rush, leave?

Or are you a banderlog, hoping that everyone will leave for the Russian Federation, and they will remain practically deserted territory?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I'll go. No options.

[Achilles]

Quote: Stas157

Putin can annex Donbass to Russia on any terms (of course). But he doesn't want to.

You are mistaken, Putin at this point in time simply cannot annex Donbass. The Minsk agreements are still in effect and there will be consequences for Russia, this is how Ukraine will leave the Minsk agreements (and if it still unleashes a full-scale war), then it will be possible to think, but now it’s not how, it’s obvious, but you, as always, do not see beyond your nose

[Stas157]

Quote: Achilles

there will be consequences for Russia, this is how Ukraine will leave Minsk

What? Will we immediately attach Donbass to Russia?

The Minsk agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. They were never observed by Ukraine, and no one forced Russia to sign them. Moreover. It was Russia that initiated the Minsk agreement. And now they are pretending that Russia cannot do anything about it!

[Guru]

What? Will we immediately attach Donbass to Russia?

The Minsk agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. They were never observed by Ukraine, and no one forced Russia to sign them. Moreover. It was Russia that initiated the Minsk agreement. And now they are pretending that Russia cannot do anything about it!

And not Poroshenko? When the boilers were boiling.

[113262a]

On whose knee were the agreements written? Definitely not on Patin!

[Stas157]

Quote: Guru

And not Poroshenko? When the boilers were boiling.

And you look before history. All this is in the public domain.

Didier Burkhalter proposed to form a contact group consisting of representatives of Russia, OSCE and Ukraine to resolve the conflict. And on September 3, 2014, Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed his plan for resolving the crisis in Ukraine.

[Achilles]

Quote: Stas157

What? Will we immediately attach Donbass to Russia?

The Minsk agreements are not worth the paper they are written on. They were never observed by Ukraine, and no one forced Russia to sign them. Moreover. It was Russia that initiated the Minsk agreement. And now they are pretending that Russia cannot do anything about it!

And here Ukraine, the Minsk agreements recognized by ONN + guarantors Russia, Germany, France and Russia are not a party to the conflict. How can we violate these Minsk agreements? Then they will let all the dogs down on us, and if Ukraine officially (they are already talking about it themselves) withdraws from the agreement, then our hands will be untied, and then we need to think from the beginning that Russia will be able to pull economically first of all.

[clerk]

As long as the Minsk agreements are beneficial to Russia, they exist.

[113262a]

Oh, can you THINK?
Yes, there will be time, while the banderie will level Donetsk, Lugansk, villages and villages of Donbass with impunity, it will be possible to think about it! But when the shells start to fall on the Rostov fields again, then you can threaten your finger! Indeed, between MINSK-1 and MINSK-2, it was so!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Stas157

Putin can attach Donbass to Russia on any terms

Eck, where are you aiming. To begin with, you need to at least recognize the LPR as independent entities.

[Kisa]

Quote: Stas157

But he doesn't want to.

and why then these gestures - then the Armenian woman in the LDNR campaigned this week. then Vova gave direction to the media, so I suppose again to raise the topic of the Russian world of Novorosiya ... maybe it raises the stakes, but I suppose there will be another Crimea (LPNR) before the elections. what Lavrov promised to prepare for (for isolation)

[lis-ik]

Quote: Stas157

Well, except for Putin.

To believe him, not to respect yourself.

[paul3390]

To believe him, not to respect yourself.

So I think - Donbass will go nuts. Before that, there were still some hopes .. For if Putin promised, that's a very bad omen ..

[Alex Nevs]

Then the period of the Great Dances of EBNa before the "Vyalikimy Demokrata" will come to YOU, and then even continue to be scary.

[clerk]

He always speaks the truth. It's just that some, due to the peculiarities of development, understand it literally and then begin to hysteria that the truth turned out not to be what they imagined in their geopolitical dreams. And "to attach immediately" (as well as "to reach the Dnieper" in 2014) - Russia would not stand it politically or economically.

[bk0010]

Quote: clerk

He always speaks the truth.

Yeah, always. At first, he says that while he is president, the retirement age will not be raised, and then asks for understanding. First, he says that all the oligarchs are equidistant, and then Plato gives the son of Rottenberg to feed. Etc.

[clerk]

You are not even able to understand that the promises of a politician end with his term of office. Remind - How many years passed between the promise not to raise the retirement age and raising it? As for equidistance - you again did not understand nifiga. When this was said, the context was that all oligarchs are equidistant from power in terms of influencing power decisions. And this is still observed. But today's critics have imagined that equidistance means that the authorities do not wake up to feed "their" oligarchs. Something not based on anything utter nonsense.

[bk0010]

Bravo, you are fully revealed in your post, there is even nothing to add.

[clerk]

You have nothing to add - you have nothing to argue your position with - you have neither knowledge on the topic, nor information - only a few stupid propaganda materials thrown in.

[A_Lex]

you fully revealed in your post

An ordinary propagandist who, under the guise of an alleged patriot of the Russian Federation, diligently works in the interests of the United States and its local lackeys. This scheme is already 35 years old, no less.

[clerk]

Communoid duty blah-blah-blah. There is not enough brains to argue on the merits.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

You are not even able to understand that the promises of a politician end with his term of office.

Oh how! He promised 2012 million jobs in 25, 2018 has come - forget, guys, I have a new term here, a new plan, we don't need jobs, we don't need to pay them a pension, but let them invent jobs ... ? Wooden mac? Well, nafig, they brought me statistics, people began to live for a long time, look at the TV, there is a citizen of 70 years as she winds five-kilometer circles. And the fact that I didn’t promise to remake the constitution for myself, it’s not me, it’s the people, there, Tereshkova won’t let me lie ... Is the ruble falling? So this is good, there will be more money in the budget ...

[clerk]

And again, you ascribe your Wishlist to Putin - what exactly did he promise - just not in your retelling, but a quote? And the Constitution has been changed for anyone - win the elections and the leadership, who is in the way?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

And again you ascribe your Wishlist to Putin - what exactly did he promise - just not in your retelling, but a quote?

We have set the goal of creating and modernizing 25 million jobs.

[media = https: //ok.ru/video/2192629828305]

[clerk]

... We have set the goal of creating and modernizing 25 million jobs.

.What is the lie? He didn't promise 25 million new jobs

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

He didn't promise 25 million new jobs

I gave the link. Mission accomplished?

[clerk]

Thanks for the link. But the link DOES NOT confirm the thesis of Putin's lies. In fact, he is a lawyer and be able to speak in such a way that formally it will remain true.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

In fact, he is a lawyer and be able to speak in such a way that formally it will remain true.

I go nuts over your zoo. I never thought that I would have to quote Lenin's grandfather: "Formally correct, but in essence - a mockery."

[clerk]

What do you want - to continue to pose as a naive princess from "An Ordinary Miracle"? This is politics, son.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

"An ordinary miracle"? This is politics, son.

Hey, dad, throw off the alimony. Remind the card number?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

And the Constitution has been changed for anyone - win the elections and the leadership, who is in the way?

I strongly recommend that you try to run ... no, not for president, of course. Governor. If suddenly you can become a real alternative to the "pre-selected" - there will be no trace of your illusions about "who is in the way"

[clerk]

If you wanted to say that a person from the street, without experience and knowledge, outside the system can run for an elective office, then you got very excited.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

If you wanted to say that a person from the street, without experience and knowledge, outside the system can run for an elective office, then you got very excited.

He can run for office. Will not be selected. If there is a strong candidate, they will be overwhelmed at the stage of preparation for the elections on a formal basis. If it is weak, then they may well miss it, to imitate the electoral process (although - very unlikely, the system does not like outsiders).
They made fun of experience and knowledge. If you are just a sane person, capable of four actions of arithmetic, then you are already more than a significant part of the first deputy governors

[clerk]

1) As for the non-systemic candidates tending to zero chances - you are certainly right, but there are two BUTs - 1.1) Russia is more the rule than the exception here. 1.2) The system may try to build in a strong candidate. 2) Of course, there are different politicians, but PMSM you are too harsh in relation to your vice-governors.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

As for the non-systemic candidates tending to zero chances - you are certainly right, but there are two BUTs - 1.1) Russia is more a rule than an exception here.

Come on :))))) Formally, your statement is absolutely correct - in the United States, a non-democrat and non-republican will hardly be elected head of state. But the bottom line is that Democrats and Republicans still compete with each other, while in our country EdRo is the CPSU of the late USSR, only much worse. The system in the country is actually one-party, but in the rest of the world it is not so. Therefore, we are still an exception.

Quote: clerk

The system may try to build in a strong candidate. 2) Of course, there are different politicians, but PMSM you are too harsh in relation to your vice-governors.

Rather, it's too soft :))))) Of course, there are professionals, but ...

[clerk]

Competition is a conditional thing - in difficult periods it intensifies, in calm periods it dies down: In post-war Japan, despite the existence of a multi-party system, a two-party parliamentary system dominates. For almost the entire second half of the 20th century, the country was ruled by the center-right Liberal Democratic Party, in opposition to which was the Social Liberal Democratic Party. At the beginning of the 21st century, both parties switched roles (with (

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

Competition is a conditional thing - it intensifies during difficult periods, fades away during calm periods

Well, they always squabble for positions, only with different intensities. And they look after each other, which prevents them from mowing completely openly

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

When this was said, the context was that all oligarchs are equidistant from power in terms of influencing power decisions. And this is still observed.

All oligarchs are equally close to the authorities, which prevents them from making important government decisions, as it infringes on the oligarchs' incomes.

Remind - How many years have passed between the promise not to raise the retirement age and raising it?

What difference does it make how many years have passed? The one who promised is still at the helm, but the promise sounded like "as long as I am president"! No need to drown for the unsinkable and their jambs, this is not constructive!

[clerk]

1) This is fiction. Now the oligarchs are close to the government just as much as the government allows them. They can lobby for their commercial interests, but they do not influence the adoption of systemic decisions. There is no such thing as it was under Khodor (who openly bought up deputies in batches and discussed with the West the elimination of Russian nuclear weapons). This is what is called the equidistance of the oligarchs, and not "Putin gave Rosenberg some money." 2) Big difference. Each new term of a politician is like a new marriage / romance - a promise given to one woman does not automatically apply to another.

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

Each new term of a politician is like a new marriage / romance - a promise given to one woman does not automatically apply to another.

Listen, colleague, you are trying to manipulate our consciousness, but this is not the best way to promote your ideas. The promises of the politician and their fulfillment are his rating. If these two factors coincide, politicians are at their best, but if there is a discrepancy, all the more cardinal, this is his pit, into which his rating and the faith in him of the electorate fall. GDP is a state man, it is indisputable! This is evidenced by the current state of our military-industrial complex, the army and the place of hydrocarbon production, which EBN had successfully drunk before it. But VVP is very loyal to people who rob the country and pursue an openly comprador policy towards "their" country. As for the oligarchs, we can say the following - if we have it, then it cannot be removed from power by definition. It remains to find out its presence in our country.

[clerk]

1) That is, when I show how your consciousness is being manipulated, falsely accusing Putin of lying, is it I who manipulate your consciousness? Orwell is resting. 2) What are the names of 3-4 people who, in your opinion, are robbing the country and to whom Putin is loyal. 3) Take the definition of oligarchy and answer - is there an oligarchy in Russia now?

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

That is, when I show how your consciousness is being manipulated, falsely accusing Putin of lying, I am manipulating your consciousness? Orwell is resting.

Today you are especially dear to me! Why do you put numbers from 1 to 3 in each of your posts? For self-study? What does “falsely accusing of lies” mean? Everyone in Russia knows that Putin has promised not to raise the retirement age while he is president. Have you raised your age? Has Putin deceived everyone in the country? What does the English writer Orwell have to do with this shame? If so, in which particular work? Putin is loyal to everyone who plunders the country, including foreign "investor" speculators. According to the Central Bank, over the five years of the "amnesty", the net capital outflow from Russia amounted to $ 189,6 billion. Without obstacles from the government, which is headed by the GDP. As for the oligarchs, how is my question different?

As for the oligarchs, we can say the following - if we have it, then it cannot be removed from power by definition. It remains to find out its presence in our country.

From your

Take the definition of oligarchy and answer - is there an oligarchy in Russia now?

Please stop telling me nonsense, with your separating numbers. to give it weight! You
and your opinion is not interesting to me!

[clerk]

1) I put numbers instead of your quotes - for me it is less laborious. 2) "Everyone in Russia knows" that Putin promised not to raise the retirement age by the 2nd term, but raised (counting Medvedev) by the 5th. What-for an elected politician is an example of honesty (without any irony). 3) Your and your "associates" logic is characterized by Orwell's quote from "1984" - THE WARRIOR IS THE WORLD
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IS POWER 4) You could not name the specific names of those who robbed the country, to whom Putin is loyal. So your words about this would be progandist idle talk. 5) Your equating the outflow of capital to the robbery of the country speaks only of your complete illiteracy in this matter. 6) My answer about the oligarchy (which you illiterately called oligarchy in redneck) gave you the opportunity to give the correct answer to your question yourself, but you also evaded this. 7) Nonsense is what you write about “Putin’s lies”, Putin’s connivance at the robbery of the country, about the oligarchy. Therefore, you are either an ignorant chatterbox, or a cheap propagandist on the sucker, who understands that he is talking nonsense, but should not stop, or simply "alternatively gifted." Judging by your manner of expressing your thoughts - the second is more correct.

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

Therefore, you are either an ignorant chatterbox, or a cheap propagandist on the suction, who understands that he is talking nonsense, but should not stop, or simply "alternatively gifted". Judging by your manner of expressing your thoughts - the second is more correct.

I did not see a single weighty argument in your lengthy opus! But the transition to personalities and your recent registration on this resource suggests that you are the "cheap propagandist" who is trying to manipulate the minds of VO readers and work off your salary. The use of a silly quotation consisting of the antonyms of Orwell's dystopia only confirms this. I return to you all the epithets applied to me and insist: do not scribble your nonsense to me in defense of your employers, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED TO ME!
I warn you, one more comment for me, I will send the correspondence to the moderator. ZY To be aware of and to increase your IQ, the names are always heard: Lisin, Potanin, Alekperov. Vekselberg, Abramovich, Deripaska and many others.

[clerk]

Sorry for the unexpected delay. Your lyrics about who should I write / not write to and I leave threats to complain
outside the brackets - we are not in kindergarten. Let's get back to the point. 1) Which of what I have said do you consider nonsense and why? 2) As those who robbed the country, you named several very rich people. Do you have specific information about their illegal acts or did you voice their names only out of hatred of the rich?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Remind - How many years have passed between the promise not to raise the retirement age and raising it?

Three years, however.

[clerk]

As far as I remember, much more.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

As far as I remember, much more.

2015 year. He then said about the wooden mac. And after three years - I ask you to treat with understanding. Clerk, do you have multiple sclerosis? To the exit! Unprofessional.

[clerk]

After you screwed up with 25 million "new jobs", your next revelations about retirement age without a direct quote are not worth much.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

After you screwed up with 25 million new jobs,

Did I screw it up? Listen, follower of Goebbels, I again gave a link, what do you have to object specifically?

[clerk]

Thanks for the link - she also proved your lies, not Putin

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

she also proved your lies, not Putin

Let's go by letters. Where is my lie, and where is Putin. I'm waiting.

[clerk]

You said that Putin promised not to raise the retirement age in 2015, but cited a video from 2005. And now, based on the promise of a politician 13 years ago, you are trying to accuse him of lying. Stupidity is rare.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

You said that Putin promised not to raise the retirement age in 2015, but cited a video from 2005. And now, based on the promise of a politician 13 years ago, you are trying to accuse him of lying. Stupidity is rare.

Heh, didn't you see the figure above?
Okay:

If we put the retirement age at 65, you will excuse me for the simplicity of expression, it worked, in a wooden mac - and went? It's impossible. As life expectancy increases, we will probably come to the solution of these issues, including the retirement age. Firstly, this must be done in an open dialogue with society, it is necessary that people understand what is happening, understand what is causing it, what inaction can lead to, and what failure to make timely decisions can lead to. People should know about this and should understand this ... Next. Even in Soviet times, we did not have such elements that now fill our pension system and which make it so very clumsy and costly ... I repeat again, this is very important, all these things should be openly discussed and ultimately be accepted by society ... This is how you need to work "(April 16, 2015 during a direct line).

It's all right? TASS agency. Or do you find a video?
https://tass.ru/info/5501212

[clerk]

It's all right. But there is no promise not to raise. And the life expectancy of men increased in 4 years from 65,3 days in 2015 to 67,8 children in 2017

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

... But there is no promise not to raise.

Yeah, there was a promise not to raise ... But for a long time ...

Quote: clerk

And the life expectancy of men increased in 4 years from 65,3 days in 2015 to 67,8 children in 2017

Gee, gee, you just repeat my banter:

Quote: Mordvin 3

What? Wooden mac? Well, nafig, they brought me statistics, people began to live for a long time, look at the TV, there is a citizen of 70 years, how she winds five-kilometer circles.

[clerk]

Your lie is that 3 years have passed between the promise not to raise the retirement age and its increase (according to the video you cited - 13 years). Your lie is that Putin allegedly did not fulfill the promise of 25 million jobs (it is formulated in such a way that it is difficult not to fulfill it).

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Your lie is that 3 years have passed between the promise not to raise the retirement age and its increase (according to the video you cited, it is 13 years).

You got me, clown.
It was in 2015 that Putin spoke about the wooden mac.

16.04.2015 15: 44 Moscow time
Society Tyumen Region Central Federal District Ural Federal District In Russia
Direct line with Putin (2015) | Photo: rt.com
Tyumen residents asked Putin about the retirement age. "I worked it out - in a wooden mac - and went? .."
Vladimir Putin said that Russia is not ready for a sharp increase in the retirement age. So he answered the question of a resident of Tyumen Irina Kosogorova, which she asked during a "direct line" with the president, the correspondent of Nakanune.RU reports.

Putin does not think that the system for calculating pensions changes very often, "it just proposed a scheme that is not very clear to people." "One of the main incentives for introducing the system is to tie pension income to the results of previous activities. The introduction of points was associated with such a desire," Putin said.

In his opinion, Russia is not ready for a sharp increase in the retirement age. First of all, life expectancy in the country does not allow this. "Work it out - in a wooden mac - and go?" - Putin was indignant at the proposals of his subordinates.

https://www.nakanune.ru/news/2015/04/16/22396108/

[clerk]

1) It was you who got yourself and the others with your antics. The only thing that can be formally blamed on Putin is that he broke the 2018 promise in 2005.But since 13 years is more than 3 presidential terms, normal people understand that this kind of promise does not automatically apply to all future terms. All the rest of you and your like-minded people "accusing Putin of lying" are fake trash. 2) Formalieo Putin did not lie - the life expectancy of men increased from 2014 to 2017 by more than 2 years, the increase was not sharp. The question that you personally understood his words in a different way is only the problem of your wishes and perception of reality and nothing more.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

As far as I remember, much more.

I will ask for arguments.

[clerk]

Watch your own video - it says 2005, not 2015

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: clerk

Watch your own video - it says 2005, not 2015

I looked. I thought maybe I was a stupid person? No, not comrades, see for yourself. Video from cuts.

[Alex Nevs]

I agree, there are huge difficulties. But VVP avoided such a "dirty and wet rag on the mordas" as vyalikia demakraty YUGOSLAVSKAYA, etc. by Vyalika Morda star-striped in the political arena of the world. That is why Vyalikia does not come up with such questions because the "RAG" will immediately fly over Vyalikia's face. They know the same. Themselves in the corner and pinned. VVP only watches as they crawl in their own frying pan.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alex Nevs

for the "RAG" will immediately fly over the Vyalikaya muzzle.

They are whipping us from all sides with a rag, but you haven't noticed?

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: clerk

He always tells the truth

Ага.

“I am against increasing the retirement age. And while I am the president, such a decision will not be made. "

[Sergej1972]

If memory serves, he said this during his second presidential term, before Medvedev's presidency. During this period, the retirement age was not raised. Perhaps Putin did not even imagine then that he would be president in the future.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Sergej1972

Perhaps Putin did not even imagine then that he would be president in the future.

Thank you, you made my day today. Of course, he did not expect - he knew that he would become president for sure, because he had prepared everything for this.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

he knew that he would become president for sure, because he had prepared everything for this.

[clerk]

"As long as I am president" is his second term. The promise was formally violated on the 4th, and if you count Medvedev's term, then on the 5th term. The promises of elected politicians don't last that long.

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

And "to attach immediately" (as well as "to reach the Dnieper" in 2014) - Russia would not stand it politically or economically.

Did you specifically register to write this? The fact is that if what you have sprinkled about happened, then it would be much easier for us both politically and economically! Firstly, because in 2014 they were waiting for us there, and secondly, we would not waste resources on humanitarian and military aid and would manage the former eastern territory of the Square more efficiently than the current overseas rulers! Well, thirdly, we would be reinforced by at least 15 million Slavs, who are still against the Natsiks and the current external regime of government.

[clerk]

1) Very few bawlers and romantics were "waiting for us". The local elite and at least 3/4 of the common people did not wait for us, and they would have to buy their loyalty, and not just once, but constantly. Along the way, crush the underground work of the Ukronatsik. It is enough to see how much the pro-Russian Crimea cost. 2) Different kernes would run there, the loyalty of which would have to be bought. And it is much more expensive, seven it now costs the Americans. 3) I suppose you know the anecdote attributed to a dozen Russian and German generals about Romania's desire to enter a world war?

[businessv]

Quote: clerk

at least 3/4 of the common people were not expecting us and their loyalty would have to be bought, and not once, but constantly.

Just ordinary people were waiting for us there and not 3/4, but 8/9! This is a fact that is not denied even in the square, so there is no need to argue about it - you do not know the subject. In that memorable 2014, it was possible to walk to Kiev in the same way as in 2008 to Tbilisi.

[clerk]

What is not denied there in Ukraine - nobody cares. In fact, it was not Russia that was expected, but Russian money. Something about your "walk to Kiev or Tbilisi", then this is a kindergarten. It was really easy to reach the troops. The problem was and is that these territories had to be introduced into the Russian legal and social space and at the same time to fight off the opposition of the West to do it. This would require huge financial and managerial resources, which Russia did not have then and does not have now. Option-to allow the Kolomoisky to plunder the Russian budget in exchange for ostentatious loyalty, please do not offer.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Stas157

I would like to attach - I would have attached it long ago. And the suspended state does not suit anyone.

Including our partners with their puppets. This whole story with the overthrow of Yanukovych made sense only in two cases - either a massive attack of insanity began in the US special services, or in order to involve Russia. They also said about Crimea that it was Ukrainian, but when the situation changed, they took the chance.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Stas157

When is he telling the truth?

rarely...

[Vladimir Koshevoi]

Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN V. Nebenzya explained: "Russia is not obliged to force a part of Ukraine to remain in its composition."

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You said something here ... "Russia will not abandon Donbass." What's incomprehensible?

[AUL]

Quote: Insurgent

that the meeting with the leading editors of the media was of a closed nature, and information from it, without the approval of the Presidential Administration, should not have been disclosed.
But some of the "leading editors" succumbed to the temptation and carried out a "drain" of some of the topics discussed at the meeting.

Then two questions for you:
1. If the information is classified, why was it discussed with the leading editors of the media?
2. If these lead editors just blabbed, why are they still lead editors?
Considering Lavrov's recent statement, I believe that this information leak is planned by the administration itself. IMHO, of course.

[Insurgent]

Quote from AUL

Then two questions for you:
1. If the information is classified, why was it discussed with the leading editors of the media?
2. If these lead editors just blabbed, why are they still lead editors?

You flatter me

In no way, neither by status, not by salary, these issues cannot be in my competence

But in essence ... Information about the closeness (confidentiality) of the meeting is mentioned in the media, I did not invent this.
And on point 2 ... So democracy (or "democracy") is in the yard, without pressure on freedom of speech in the media ...

[Baloo]

Quote from AUL

1. If the information is classified, why was it discussed with the leading editors of the media?
2. If these lead editors just blabbed, why are they still lead editors?

Was Venediktov there? Then what questions, they were collected in order to use "soft power". Do not forget that VVP is a master of Judo, including in politics.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Balu

Was Venediktov there? Then what questions, they were collected in order to use "soft power".

Quote: Insurgent

This way, intentionally or not - information about Donbass was published ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Balu

Do not forget that VVP is a Judo master, including in politics

He's a master at talking.

[Baloo]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: Balu

Do not forget that VVP is a Judo master, including in politics

He's a master at talking.

Politics as diplomacy and medicine are the art of the possible.

[Svarog]

Quote: Balu

Politics as diplomacy and medicine are the art of the possible.

It turns out, judging by your comment, that nothing is possible with us?

[Baloo]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Balu

Politics as diplomacy and medicine are the art of the possible.

It turns out, judging by your comment, that nothing is possible with us?

Remember the parable of the blind sages and the elephant? Try looking at the big picture, not just from your couch.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Balu

Remember the parable of the blind sages and the elephant? Try looking at the big picture, not just from your couch.

as a whole, it turns out that Russia was left completely alone against all in fact.nujudoil master ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Aerodrome

that Russia was left completely alone against everyone

And when was it different?
"Russia has two allies - the army and the navy"

[clerk]

And that too. But unlike those who criticize him, he does. Moreover, unlike those who "want everything, immediately and immediately," he calculates the steps and consequences many steps forward. The head of state must calculate the situation for 20-30 years ahead.

[paul3390]

The head of state must calculate the situation for 20-30 years ahead.

That is-you say that all the noneshniy mess and darkness Putin planned as soon as he came to power ?? To put it mildly - a so-so argument in his favor.

[Alex Nevs]

they have instructed the minuses, everyone wants to dance the country ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

This way, intentionally or not

In such cases, at this level, accidents do not happen

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

In such cases, at this level, accidents do not happen

because so ambiguous I deliberately and made a comment, giving the opportunity to "maneuver" the discussion, that is - a reason for a dispute ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

that is, a reason for a dispute ...

Only there is no wish to discuss.
The whole dispute was met in an anonymous minus

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Only there is no wish to discuss.
The whole dispute was met in an anonymous minus

And there are a lot of them now, as usual ...

I haven't come across "-11" in a number of comments in one topic for a long time, in such a short period of time ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And there are a lot of them now, as usual

The weekend and on your pet peeve

[sabakina]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Insurgent

And there are a lot of them now, as usual

The weekend and on your pet peeve

[Guru]

Only there is no wish to discuss.
The whole dispute was met in an anonymous minus comment laughing

Duck hasn't woken up yet.

[figwam]

Quote: Insurgent

In this way, intentionally or not, information about Donbass was published ...

The news has already shown.

[businessv]

Quote: Insurgent

In this way, intentionally or not, information about Donbass was published ...

Certainly intentionally, but the information is controversial in execution due to the fact that the author of the statement also firmly promised the Russians not to raise the retirement age. Minusators - go ahead, but only with explanations please!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Insurgent

information about Donbass was published ...

Do you call this one phrase 'information'? The old populist blurted out 'We will not quit' - and away we go - interpretations, fantasies, table-turning and fortune-telling from bird droppings.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Insurgent

Russia will not abandon Donbass no matter what. This was stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with editors of Russian media, shown on "Russia 24".

It should be borne in mind that the meeting with the leading editors of the media was closed nature, and information from it, without the sanction of the Presidential Administration, should not have been disclosed.
But some of the "leading editors" succumbed to the temptation and carried out a "drain" of some of the topics discussed at the meeting.
Such behavior was called "unethical" by the Kremlin, and at the same time Peskov said that some of what was discussed would still be published, but not all.

In this way, intentionally or not, information about Donbass was published ...

Quote: Insurgent

It should be borne in mind that the meeting with the leading editors of the media was of a closed nature, and information from it, without the sanction of the Presidential Administration, should not have been disclosed.

do not look for a cat where it does not exist. The procedure is such that there were no music stands and filming for the news. There was nothing like this about secrecy and there was no close. Secrecy and journalists --- how do you imagine it ..? ...................... Show me this most interesting sanction of the AP. And if you can't, then go about your Ukrainian affairs, if you are full 0 in Rusish politics. Regards, Mr. Insurgeent

[dSK]

Quote: Lipchanin

It will be so that everything was done by the residents of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

These "ex" when they become, finally begin to tell the truth

While in office, the "curators" will quickly shut their mouths ...
After Zelensky's rejection of the Minsk agreements, Lavrov has the right to issue another ultimatum to Ukraine:
- or the implementation of "agreements" this year,
- or recognition of the independence of Donbas with all the ensuing consequences ...

[Insurgent]

Quote from dsk

After Zelensky's rejection of the Minsk agreements, Lavrov has the right to issue another ultimatum to Ukraine:
- or the implementation of "agreements" this year,
- or recognition of the independence of Donbas with all the ensuing consequences ...

Of course, we would like everything to be resolved soon, and bloodlessly or with little blood, if this is inevitable, but "ultimatum" will not be.
Too much "But" in politics, finance and economics ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It doesn't work that way. You correctly said about the "but".

[Lipchanin]

Quote from dsk

After Zelensky's rejection of the Minsk agreements, Lavrov has the right to issue another ultimatum to Ukraine:

Russian diplomats in relations with the West began to call things by their proper names and went on the offensive. The political will of the first person is visible.

“Those who support only one side within the Ukrainian conflict and, despite the facts, indulge its painful fantasies of Russian aggression, cannot call themselves mediators. You, gentlemen, are rather accomplices of the crimes committed by Kiev against the population of Donbass, ”Nebenzya said.

In Europe, they were taken aback, as the German political scientist Alexander Rahr writes in his Telegram channel, "The European Union did not expect Russia to give back":

“Stop teaching us morality, we are giving change. And stop acting in line with your double morality, double standards. "

What will happen next, Margarita Simonyan said in Donbass at the Russian Donbass forum: whoever wants from the Little Russian regions will return to Russia.

[Snail N9]

"He promised" ... he "promised" a lot - "retirement age will not let you lie", as well as "25 million high-paying, high-tech jobs", along with an average salary of $ 2700 and apartments of 100 square meters. for the family ...... and then .... and then- "please treat with understanding" ... He promised "not to quit" ... how is this generally understood? Continue to be like "a suitcase without a handle?" Keep out of your pocket? Or how? No one from Switzerland coming again?

[Guru]

While in office, the "curators" will quickly shut their mouths ...
After Zelensky's rejection of the Minsk agreements, Lavrov has the right to issue another ultimatum to Ukraine:
- or the implementation of "agreements" this year,
- or recognition of the independence of Donbas with all the ensuing consequences ..

... Quite a possible scenario and I think the Washington regional committee understands this.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote from dsk

After Zelensky's refusal of the Minsk agreements, Lavrov has the right to issue another ultimatum to Ukraine

Are you serious? Lavrov - an ultimatum?

[Guru]

Lipchanin (Sergey)
Hello Sergey.

Is it not so?
These "ex" when they become, finally begin to tell the truth

You might think that the insight finds. And in fact, it only says that they thought so when they were in office but were afraid to say it out loud.

[zenion]

If some persons had not changed their oaths, then all this would not have happened!

[Destiny]

Vladimir Putin promised not to leave Donbass

It will be good if this is the case ... Only he has promised so much to the people for 20 years already, and that the retirement age will not be raised, and gasoline will not give such a rise in price, and much more, so there is little faith in these promises.

[Pessimist22]

The book can be published: "Putin 20 years of promises" I think if you don't go to jail, you can make money.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Pessimist22

The book can be published: "Putin 20 years of promises" I think if you don't go to jail, you can make money.

And you publish it on the outskirts, fearlessly There it will definitely be perceived, "with a bang" There you will earn, your 30 ...

[evgen1221]

Samizdat will definitely be more popular than Solzhenitsin's tales!

[Cron]

The book can be published: "Putin 20 years of promises" I think if you don't go to jail, you can make money.

Better publish a book about: Land for peasants! Factories for workers! It will be interesting to read

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Cron

Better publish a book about: Land for peasants! Factories for workers! It will be interesting to read

Communism in 1980 and a separate apartment for all citizens of the USSR by 2000

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Communism in 1980 and a separate apartment for all citizens of the USSR by 2000

Perhaps you did not live well in 1980 ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Perhaps you did not live well in 1980 ...

And very beautiful in the 90s

[Gardamir]

And very beautiful in the 90s

There would be no 90s, there would be no Putin.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

would the 90s, there would be no Putin

Putin entered the elite of the special services back then (the KGB and work abroad are very serious), so who else would he be the question. Then he did not disappear in the same 90s, but managed to rise to the very top. I believe that he had a chance to become the head of the KGB.

[Alex Nevs]

Already from the age of 80 this question was raised in the special services. Primakov's team was already doing it with might and main. But the Big Country is huge inertia. The result is now visible, but there is still so much work to do ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Alex Nevs

Already from the age of 80 this question was raised in the special services.

What question?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

The book should be published "The Humpbacked and the Drunkard". This is a shame - Yeltsin gave his ass and conducted ... Shame on my gray hair.

[Finches]

The Nobel Prize was swung ...!

[Ros 56]

I noticed long ago that the more a person is not competent, the more primitive he reasoning and the more he waves his sword.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ros 56

I noticed long ago that the more a person is not competent, the more primitive he reasoning and the more he waves his sword.

[Ros 56]

Absolutely correctly noticed.

[prior]

I tried to imagine what kind of Russia the traitor General Vlasov would have built if he had stayed alive and had the opportunity. Introduced and understood - Putin's.

[Svarog]

Quote: Pessimist22

The book can be published: "Putin 20 years of promises" I think if you don't go to jail, you can make money.

They won't buy ..

[Ros 56]

Plant? Would you like an everyday injury with lethal consequences? Simple, reliable and effective, and without any liberal screams.

[Alex Nevs]

What did He not do? ... It's just that the timing is different by modern standards. With the "pension" here is the greatest blunder with a handout (grossly deceived) close ones. IMHO.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Again retirement, again gasoline. Is it a conversation about this?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Again retirement, again gasoline.

Hungry godfather, one on his mind.
The fact that the GDP returned to Crimea was quickly forgotten

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You are absolutely right.

[sabakina]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Again retirement, again gasoline. Is it a conversation about this?

At 64, with diseased vessels of the lower extremities, with expensive gasoline, can you bring bananas or milk to the store? As a professional driver, at 53 I already doubt that I can even turn on the gear ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I am trying to understand what Putin has to do with it ... I am not 64 yet and will hardly live, but 57 already exist. Are you afraid not to turn on the transmission, or death? So not figs are afraid of her, she will come to everyone, to me for sure, I have cancer. I don’t know how long I will last - 2-4 years. It's okay, it just hurts.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I am not 64 yet and will hardly live, but 57 already exist.

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I have cancer.

Excuse me, but how are you going to fight for Donbass in this state?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Do you think that cancer is the absence of the index finger on the right hand? In my case, stomach cancer - you swallow with omez and it seems like nothing.

[The eye of the crying]

I think that at the age of 57 with stomach cancer, no medical board would allow you anywhere.

[Thrifty]

It was necessary then, near Mariupol, not to stop the militias and volunteers - you look, and the Sea of ​​Azov would again become an internal Russian sea, to begin with!

[aars]

They are afraid of volunteers - now they will throw off the Ukrop prezik, and then they will swing at the sacred!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: aars

They are afraid of volunteers - now they will throw off the Ukrop prezik, and then they will swing at the sacred!

Yes . will have to change the state structure both here and there. So we swing from side to side, in one place ... ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Thrifty

It was necessary then, near Mariupol, not to stop the militias and volunteers - you look, and the Sea of ​​Azov would again become an internal Russian sea, to begin with!

The consequence of the capture of Mariupol in the summer of 2014 could be the exit of the DPR and LPR militia to the administrative borders of the former regions, and this is the maximum of our capabilities then, even with exaggeration.
So there could be no talk of the Sea of ​​Azov as an "internal Russian" without reaching the banks of the Dnieper then, and it cannot be now ...

[Alex Nevs]

According to Mariupol, I think it's politics. And what is politics without Deneh? Seeing is connected with this.

[Ros 56]

Here's what's behind it WOULD, we just do not know, but judging by the meaning, something serious.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Thrifty

It was necessary then, near Mariupol, not to stop the militias and volunteers

And it would have ended in defeat. It is one thing to defend your positions, and another to attack. At that time, these were precisely the militias, not the army.

[rotmistr60]

we first of all lose in a month or two the entire Donetsk and Lugansk regions

In fact, you lost them back in 2014, in spite of the bloodshed you caused. Legally, these areas still hang on the strained Ukrainian "laws" and "Minsk agreements", which the Ukrainian side was not even going to fulfill. Those who wish to attract the USA and Poland to the negotiations will remain wishful enough and will no longer help Ukraine. And Russia simply does not have the right to "quit" Donbass and will not quit. Everything goes to the fact that the republics will be recognized.

[Mikhail Malakhov_2]

Will be recognized and what next?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Mikhail Malakhov_2

Will be recognized and what next?

And then we will get broader opportunities for measures and mechanisms for joining the Russian Federation already in a certain status.
Thus, the Kremlin will remove the barrier that still exists.

But, I will note that on a step of recognition, Russia still has to decide ...

[Mikhail Malakhov_2]

Do you really need it as part of the Russian Federation?)

[Mikhail Malakhov_2]

If you part with your illusions, you will understand that everything was meant to be like this is happening now ..
The LDNR is needed exactly in this form in order to have a lever of pressure on Ukraine.
And people - well, people ... they were not lucky

[Alex Nevs]

Well, you give a pancake. Start all over again ?. Where are you from?

[Runway]

Part of the territories of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Don't quit and admit - like + and -.
There will be "gray areas".

[samarin1969]

Nice statement. Only the format is completely semi-official. This is not an official meeting with "partners", and not a document. It remains to believe that it will not be like "it was or was not" with the "letter of Yanukovych."

[saigon]

This is not formality, a ray of formality.

[samarin1969]

Quote: saigon

This is not formality, a ray of formality.

For whom is it better ?? .. For the exhausted people of Donbass? ... Only for those who like to "play back" personally.

[From Tomsk]

When the rating falls, it is necessary to uncover a proven topic with Donbass.

[aars]

Yes you are right!
With Syria, it did not work out (and it could not have been before it) we need to stir up something understandable.

[Alex Nevs]

Yeah. There are problems here. I do not mean Syria.

[Cron]

Quote: From Tomsk

When the rating falls, it is necessary to uncover a proven topic with Donbass.

So the rating remained practically unchanged. Even all sorts of Levads. And as for the youth, they generally do not care about this Donbass. They just need to shout the slogans "Live Belarus" and ride to the "aquadiskoteka", replacing the toxic "who does not jump"

[Sergej1972]

I don’t know, from communication with students one gets the feeling that among them there are not only supporters of liberalism and (or) Navalny. Many have nostalgia for the USSR, some for the Russian Empire. There are many supporters of the "strong hand", many like leftist ideas.

[Cron]

Quote: From Tomsk

When the rating falls, it is necessary to uncover a proven topic with Donbass.

And those who come out really shout - Putin left the Donbass !? Or are they shouting that someone would live there in Belarus? Although no one seems to be killed there. They kill just the same in Donbass. But this herd doesn't care about it. They shout only what the shepherds will say and what is poured into their ears in various garbage dumps.
Therefore, uncover, do not uncover, and this is initially a different contingent of people.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Cron

Quote: From Tomsk

When the rating falls, it is necessary to uncover a proven topic with Donbass.

And those who come out really shout - Putin left the Donbass !? Or are they shouting that someone would live there in Belarus? Although no one seems to be killed there. They kill just the same in Donbass. But this herd doesn't care about it. They shout only what the shepherds will say and what is poured into their ears in various garbage dumps.
Therefore, uncover, do not uncover, and this is initially a different contingent of people.

There are too many of this contingent in Russia ... Should it happen that ... the contingent starts shooting in the back ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: From Tomsk

When the rating falls

Does he need a "rating"? Is he going to what elections?

[Guru]

Does he need a "rating"? He does not go to any elections

? Most likely No, so we are waiting for the new phenomenon "Putin-2 _Reload"

[paul3390]

Reloading

Overload..

[Sergey Averchenkov]

A theme for you, life for me.

[Polymer]

but before making any decision, one must think about its consequences.

Did he quote Didier Burkhalter from their May 2014 meeting? I would have already told what place they pinched him then. Together, you see, they would find some way out of the situation.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Polymer

but before making any decision, one must think about its consequences.

Did he quote Didier Burkhalter from their May 2014 meeting? I would have already told what place they pinched him then. Together, you see, they would find some way out of the situation.

If they pinched, they pinched the whole of Russia ... You are here (from the couch - the Internet) such a brave, active, ardent fighter ... Most likely they did not make decisions for the fate of people .. So simmer in a glass of dirty goo ...

[Polymer]

Quote: 30 vis

So boil in a glass of dirty slurry ...

And you, apparently, boil in a glass of pure liquid?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Polymer

Quote: 30 vis

So boil in a glass of dirty slurry ...

And you, apparently, boil in a glass of pure liquid?

I am stating a fact. boil over anything. The essence of what is not happening changes.

[Polymer]

Quote: 30 vis

The essence of what is not happening changes.

Clear. Don't overuse, especially on Sundays!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Polymer

Quote: 30 vis

The essence of what is not happening changes.

Clear. Don't overuse, especially on Sundays!

I don't use it at all. And I advise you. Understood. you are one of these .. from Svidomo brothers for Parmesan and the surrender of the Crimea and Donbass.

[Alex Nevs]

Really. What are you? And you wanted to dance EBNa and pony collapse of your country?

[Sergej1972]

Given to you this member of the government of Switzerland, downright some value.

[Polymer]

Yes, to me he is generally parallel. He is only an executor who fulfilled the order to voice the GDP proposal, which he could not refuse. I wonder what the proposal was, not the personality of that Didier. It is clear that someone more significant is behind him, but this is the second question.

[askort154]

..... proposed to join the negotiations of Ukraine's strategic partner - the United States.

Kiev wants it so much, but the United States does not consider you a "strategic partner." They consider you cannon fodder.

[evgen1221]

Oh, on our shoulders with us, sho again! ???. Oh, we are the power ?, the fourth, well, thanks at least not the sixth! And what? Does anyone of the first three hear us and want to hear us?

[Gaersul]

Vladimir Putin is generally a promising comrade.

[parusnik]

Once, this person said that there would be no increase in the retirement age. When he signed the decree, he asked for understanding. Fictions in faces.

[Destiny]

With promises, order is complete.
Keeping promises seams.

[Scipio]

When will your people, Vladimir Vladimirovich, stop leaving ???

[7,62x54]

"The retirement age will never increase ..."

[Sergey Averchenkov]

This is how the agents of the State Department are identified. What does the pension have to do with it?

[7,62x54]

Are you all the training manual?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

What the hell is a training manual? You answered me with you and demand. I sit with a hangover and see how my homeland is being forced. Will you force it too? 7,62x54 Russian size - or is it just a cover? What does the pension have to do with it?

[silverura]

... I sit with a hangover and see

A glass of "fettered" in the morning, and everything will be released. Verified

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Easier to stack and sleep. This will be verified.

[7,62x54]

Aaaa, I see - delirium tremens.
Where has even a word been said about your homeland?

[Sergey Averchenkov]

It so happened, I'm sorry if I thought of something. And if you think that I have delirium tremens, I will personally put you with cancer and not worry about the consequences. You are either not Russian, or you live over the hill. And again the question - 7,62x 54 - why do you need this?

[7,62x54]

You have Nightingale droppings on your lip

[Svarog]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

I sit with a hangover and see how my homeland is being forced.

So get drunk and the Motherland will sparkle with new colors ..

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Which I did. Are you against?

[Svarog]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Which I did. Are you against?

Of course not .. get treatment and do not get sick

[Asad]

For me it is very, what have it, I have been since 1963 and the demons have hit the spot, who knows if I will live. So it is with Donbass, it may also throw GDP.

[Alex Nevs]

Then he slipped his "laces" ala "... Powell's test tube ..."

[Adimius38]

Well, they have already promised that not a single bomb in Donbass will fall ... so there is no faith in these promises, as well as in many others

[silverura]

Vladimir Putin promised not to quit

I promised, I promise and I will promise. The work in me is like that.
As the people say: "Promise, not marry!" No one is immune from the "kidka".
The correct way out of the station is to transfer the borders of the LDNR under the control of Ukraine, the OSCE mission, expand the capabilities of international observation missions, and peace will come and the solutions of this node will come. At the same time, to set a condition for the lifting of sanctions from the Russian Federation.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Promise your job? Oh well. Will transmit.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And again ... there are more horses than people. I see the minuses, but for me the minus ... believe me, this is not about anything, I spent two months on my lip for two years. Give me the minuses of the skating, I'll be glad.

[7,62x54]

You are proud to sit on your lip, as if you had the Star of the Hero on your chest.
Meanwhile, they are sent to the lip for misconduct on average up to 3 days. This is how many jambs were that? Only idiot likes to step on a rake over and over again.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

No, I'm not proud, it just happened. There are many shoals, starting with the fact that I almost killed the foreman of the ensign. By the way, he was a skakol, and after our fair battle he snapped on me.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

And again ... there are more horses here than people. I can see by the minuses but for me a minus ... believe me, it's not about anything, I spent two months on my lip for two years. Give me the minuses of the skating, I'll be glad.

There is a war ... the swidhawks have come ...

[Sir Galant]

would have long been recognized and included in the Russian Federation. By the way, in the fall I rested on the Sea of ​​Azov (ours), where 4 guys from Donbass worked as laborers. I was surprised that they do not support the LPNR ...

[Alex Justice]

there were 4 guys from Donbas working as laborers. I was surprised that they do not support the LDNR ...

What are you not happy with?

[Sir Galant]

not happy with the fact that they will be taken to the front line, or to serve in the police. For recruits (persons from 18 to ..., well, they are all about 30) there, according to them, a real hunt. that there is no place to work there, and if you find it by great pull, pay a penny. therefore they work in Russia

[prior]

"Vladimir Putin promised ..."

It would be better to be silent, the promise.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Okay, let him be a promiser, and who do you like more - Yeltsin, Humpbacked? Do you like the new thinking, or "dear Russians"? You don't remember all this - I remember. Shit.

[prior]

Take Ginkaum.
I remember Khrushchev's promises that "in 1980, Soviet people will live under communism."

[Sergey Averchenkov]

You don’t even live in Russia, what do you want here? You are not here. We are here. And why communism is bad - argue.

[prior]

Communism is bad because in fact it does not exist, but Putin's capitalism exists, but this does not make anyone happy.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Exit? Revolution?

[prior]

Not. War. Only when weapons fall into the hands of the people can they be turned against the authorities. In all other cases, 1991 will be repeated.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

War can only be desired by those who have not gone through it.

[prior]

You asked - I answered. It is not a matter of desire.
Ask not me, but yourself a question: will you give you factories, banks, steamships and, most importantly, power, if you have the army, the National Guard, the police, and money?
So, they took it and passed it on peacefully ..... because they voted.
Your comment about the war is just a populist slogan.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

This is a very simple question for me - I don't need it. Any power, absolutely any of this violence and the people who represent it are scum, absolutely any. Also with factories and plants, steamers.

[pro100y.belarus]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

Exit? Revolution?

In fact, there was a revolution in Donbass. And there were leaders from the people. But the bourgeois on both sides were afraid of her. As a result, this revolution was systematically strangled, physically eliminating ALL of its people's leaders.
Nobody needs a people's republic with passionate leaders and a huge amount of weapons.
Too unpredictable ...

[Gardamir]

I remember Putin's promises about

25 million jobs, about mac and much more ...

[paul3390]

who do you like more - Yeltsin, Humpbacked

Stalin.

[Ural resident]

By joining Donbass, we will lose the rest of Ukraine, including Russian Novorossia. In 2014, a unique window of opportunity opened, it was only necessary to support the Ukrainians themselves, that part of Ukraine that was against the junta, and not with the idea of ​​annexation, but against the Maidan. Then all of it would already be in the CU, and Russian territories, the military industry, ports - too, and joyfully and voluntarily. Moreover, our government was preparing this scenario, but at the last moment it got scared: What did Didier Burkhalter tell Putin then that the first one curtailed abruptly? ... As a result, the last Russians who rose there were simply cut out and beaten in prisons by the Bandera authorities. He has not abandoned Donbass, of course.

[kig]

[quote And before making any decision, we must think about the consequences of any of our steps. quote]
Gold words. Only he didn't really think about the consequences when he sent polite people with machine guns.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

It's funny to see how Putin's vague populist phrase rushed to procrastinate a crowd of interpreters) And also a conspiracy cherry - infa, they say - almost an insider drain - an intrigue !!!

[tranquil]

What is "indistinct" here? If they climb, they will get horns - everything is extremely intelligible and clear. No intrigue.

[businessv]

Vladimir Putin promised not to leave Donbass

He promised not to raise his pension either! The main thing is to promise!

[Cap.nemo58rus]

Promising doesn't mean getting married. Let's take a look.

[Andrew_A]

Yes of course! This is from the series: "After Us - even a flood!"

[Alsur]

Quote: Greenwood

Quote: loki565

and in Ukraine, the further to the west, the more non-brothers.

And what does the west of Ukraine have to do with it? Specifically, in the territories of the DPR and LPR, since 2014, there have been no people disloyal to Russia. Everyone who was against Russia was unscrewed from this territory even then, fearing that Russia would soon annex these territories, like Crimea. Only now she did not join, the leadership did not have enough willpower.

Everything was written to you correctly, not all Donbass is entirely for Russia. Military action would be guaranteed and fueled from the remaining territory of Ukraine. Crimea is isolated and the population is almost completely loyal to Russia.

[mark_rod]

To promise is not to marry! How many empty promises have we heard !?