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The country's flag and anthem are mental tanks and cannons

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The country's flag and anthem are mental tanks and cannons

The flag of the country is the symbol with which the soldiers go into battle and which represents the territory of the country. No wonder it is the flag that denotes the capture of an enemy fortress.


Where the ice is smoother - is there home?


The anthem is the same symbol of the country.

It is no coincidence that during the performance of the anthem it is necessary to stand up and listen to it while standing.
Many people in modern "tolerant" times may think that such things are outdated.

Like, why all this now?

Where the back is warm - there is the homeland! There are some.

But the hymn, the flag and the feelings associated with these symbols are weapons... The same as Tanks, cannons, planes, or rockets. A tank will not fire, a machine gun will not shoot and a rocket will not take off without the will of a fighter who wants to defend his homeland.

The morale of the troops is the most important part of ensuring combat effectiveness.
But it is impossible to take a person from civilian life and instill in him patriotism, if this has not been partially done before the army.

But how can this be done if this is the attitude towards the symbols of the country?

We don't mind. We refuse. Just let go for a ride to Europe


I am reading a note on Euronews today "Russian athletes will be awarded under Tchaikovsky":

“The International Skating Union does not object to the use of Pyotr Tchaikovsky's music as an anthem by Russian figure skaters at the World Championships.

Earlier, the Russian Figure Skating Federation (FFKKR) offered the International Skating Union a fragment from Pyotr Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1 as a musical accompaniment to the awards ceremony for Russian figure skaters at the World Championship, which will be held from March 22 to March 28 in Stockholm. "


Honestly, I rubbed my eyes when I saw this news.

How so?

If you are an athlete of Russia, you must play under the flag of your country. And listen to her hymn if you won.

And if not, then why, in general, perform?

For money?

Okay, then perform under your personal name. Under the flag of their sponsor. Or else under something.

I cannot imagine that Soviet athletes would sink to such a shame.

More to say, it is impossible to imagine that, for example, American athletes would agree to compete on such conditions. Well, maybe once. And then after that, their career in the United States would be over forever.

After all, the anthem and the flag are the mental weapons of states.

And if today we allow the Europeans to humiliate our main symbols like that, then we are worthless. So we are weak?

Then tomorrow no tanks and no guns and missiles of any kind will help us, alas.

Sport is a battle. So giving up the anthem of your own country means simply giving up.

And there is no need to hide behind all sorts of European conventions.

Let's call everything by their proper names.

This is weakness, shame, humiliation. And retreat without a fight.

Defeat without a fight.

This is not worthy of a Great Country.

Tomorrow Europeans will offer our FFKKR to abandon the word Russia. So what? Will those again, without hesitation, agree?

This is no longer a sporting struggle and competition, but the pursuit of purely selfish interests.

Agree, it's just a matter of price.

You refuse (from the anthem, flag, Motherland, Russian language and any other EU requirements). And only then will Europe let you go for a ride.

Then what else are the Russian FFKKR-sheep ready to sacrifice for the right to run once or twice on purely European ice?

Really everyone?

Alternative way


Wouldn't it be better to start completely new sports federations right now?

And new Russian-Asian championships?

Where will our athletes compete on equal terms and honestly with representatives of other countries? And everything will be fair: with the anthem and flag of our country?

Instead of refusal indulgences for entering Euro Ice, the construction of a new sports reality of the XNUMXst century should begin right now.

In such a case, a leader is needed. And Russia is capable of becoming one right now, without delay.

Is not it?
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 15 February 2021 18: 06
    +21
    Fully announced. It's time to organize your own Games.
    1. credo
      credo 15 February 2021 18: 19
      +26
      Quote: Sergey39
      Fully announced. It's time to organize your own Games.

      Your Games can be good, but who should you play with?
      In general, in all this sports bacchanalia, I am most amazed by the toothlessness of our sports officials.
      Today, this international (sports) mafia has been banned from performing the anthem, tomorrow it will carry the flag, and after tomorrow it will be obliged to have a pederast, transgender or lesbian in every team. And what, will they really agree?
      1. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 15 February 2021 18: 31
        +24
        Quote: credo
        And what, will they really agree?

        Are there any doubts about this? It is enough to bend once, and there will be no way back. More precisely, it is no longer there.
        1. credo
          credo 15 February 2021 18: 46
          +10
          Quote: Michael m
          Quote: credo
          And what, will they really agree?

          Are there any doubts about this? It is enough to bend once, and there will be no way back. More precisely, it is no longer there.

          There are always roads that run parallel to each other and often do not cross.
          Look, the Japanese, Chinese and Swiss do not shine in many sports, and in many of them there is no presence at all, and because of this, they did not live worse.
          Maybe it's time for us to rethink sports policy and not follow the lead of those international federations or organizations that belittle and humiliate the dignity of athletes and the countries from which they play.
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 February 2021 20: 15
            +18
            Quote: credo
            Maybe it's time for us to rethink sports policy and not follow the lead of those international federations or organizations that belittle and humiliate the dignity of athletes and the countries from which they play.

            It is possible, but what about the fact that it is Himself who considers such a situation normal?
            1. Civil
              Civil 16 February 2021 06: 56
              +17
              1. Generally I am surprised why the anthem after 1991 was not made "We walk in wide fields ...".
              2. In fact, this is the flag that the Vlasovites used against the USSR and the tsars against the people.
              3. It's time to remove budget funding for snickering sports stars. Let it be funded all over the world by advertising sponsors. And the money should be redirected to mass sports, so that every family would have free access to state-owned sports facilities, and not just a handful of the elite.
              1. Temples
                Temples 16 February 2021 09: 20
                -3
                I cannot imagine that Soviet athletes would sink to such a shame.

                Tolley memory fails you, or you are young, guy.

                As soon as the border was opened, the "Soviet athletes" rushed over the hill for the dough.
                Hockey players, football players elbowed each other = each other trying on the uniform of foreign clubs.

                The athletes are not the problem.

                The problem is in the management of sports.

                Apparently, modern sports officials are interested in the degradation of our country.


                And to hang this problem on athletes is a search for a scapegoat.

                Remember how many scientists left, how many workers left factories.

                Either organize your own competitions and support the interest of your own people, or what we have.

                We are reviving science. We are restoring the factories.

                Apparently it's time for sports.
                We need officials who understand the problem and want to see Russian flags on the stands and listen to the Russian anthem at the beginning and at the end of the competition.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 16 February 2021 09: 34
                  +12
                  Quote: Temples
                  We are reviving science. We are restoring the factories.

                  30 years was not enough. laughing
                  By 1975 (also 30 years old), the USSR did not just recover after the World War
                  and became a world power, including in sports.
                  For 20 years after the war, the country was rebuilt, they entered space, and the nuclear industry was built.
                  1. Temples
                    Temples 16 February 2021 12: 24
                    -14%
                    Quote: Civil
                    For 20 years after the war, the country was rebuilt, they entered space, and the nuclear industry was built.

                    And the same country was destroyed with shouts of hurray.
                    All the same people.

                    Slogans, what's here, what's in the rest of the Russian media.
                    Balabol, on balabol.
                    The State Department is also distributing slops with bulk, but you are sprinkling shit.
                    You are all one team.

                    Quote: Civil
                    kings against the people.


                    Under Nicholas II, the population of my country grew by 2 million people.

                    On the contrary, the communists killed tens of millions of compatriots.

                    People in our country are talented, hard-working and kind.

                    But the government since 1917 has been misanthropic.

                    Still.

                    And you say the king ...
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 16 February 2021 15: 59
                      +10
                      Quote: Temples
                      On the contrary, the communists killed tens of millions of compatriots.

                      And Solzhenitsyn spoke about one hundred million ... Don't you believe the father of Russian democracy? After all, it was at his grave that the king laid flowers ...
                      1. Temples
                        Temples 16 February 2021 21: 02
                        -3
                        Solzhenitsyn is a ghoul. Offended by his companions.

                        Tsar and his family were killed by the Bolsheviks.
                        They killed at the behest of Lenin.
                        Children were killed.

                        The tsar did not lay flowers on Solzhenitsyn.
                        You have a clouding of hatred for everything Russian.

                        However, you do not consider yourself Russian. You are Soviet.


                        Stalin was not a stupid person.
                        Read and perhaps understand that the Patriotic War was won not by the Communists, but by the Russian people.

                        "Comrades, let me raise one more, last toast. I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people

                        I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.

                        I am making a toast to the health of the Russian people because he deserved general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.

                        I make a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, strong character and patience.

                        Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941-1942, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad region, the Baltic states, the Karelo-Finnish Republic, left, because there was no other way out. Another people could tell the Government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will install another government that will make peace with Germany and provide us with peace.

                        But the Russian people did not agree to this, for they believed in the correctness of the policy of their Government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany.

                        And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured the historic victory over the enemy of humanity - over fascism.

                        Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust! To the health of the Russian people!
                    2. victor50
                      victor50 16 February 2021 18: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Temples
                      Under Nicholas II, the population of my country grew by 2 million people.

                      On the contrary, the communists killed tens of millions of compatriots.

                      By 1990, the population of the USSR was about 300 million people. How much was under Nikolashka, if the communists killed everyone? request This pseudo-historical nonsense has already got out. We pull out what we need and let's blame this fact or, conversely, praise. It's disgusting.
                      1. Temples
                        Temples 16 February 2021 20: 54
                        -7
                        Quote: victor50
                        How much was under Nikolashka, if the communists killed everyone?

                        The Bolsheviks staged a civil war on direct orders from the West.
                        Navalny is a modern Lenin. The same ghoul ruled by the west.
                        Look how many Russian people were killed in civil war.

                        People who disagreed with the urka with the nickname Lenin were killed without trial.

                        But you at least piss in the eyes of all the Communist dew.
                        and in Ukraine the reign of communism continues - they kill those who disagree.
                        Khrushchevs, Malinovskoe, buckwheat - ukrokommunists especially tried in the division of Russia.

                        You eat yourself like rats in a jar.
                        And serves you right.
                      2. victor50
                        victor50 16 February 2021 21: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Temples
                        Look how many Russian people were killed in civil war.

                        People who disagreed with the urka with the nickname Lenin were killed without trial.

                        But you at least piss in the eyes of all the Communist dew.

                        Do not splash saliva!
                        Quote: Temples
                        The Bolsheviks staged a civil war on direct orders from the West.

                        However, what else can you, with such a level of elementary knowledge! Wipe the sponges!
                      3. nickname7
                        nickname7 22 February 2021 11: 55
                        +1
                        The Bolsheviks staged a civil war on direct orders from the West

                        You forgot to add that Lenin cut off the head of Marie Antoinette too, and the Bolsheviks destroyed the mammoths.
                2. GTYCBJYTH2021
                  GTYCBJYTH2021 17 February 2021 07: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Civil
                  Quote: Temples
                  We are reviving science. We are restoring the factories.

                  30 years was not enough. laughing
                  By 1975 (also 30 years old), the USSR did not just recover after the World War
                  and became a world power, including in sports.
                  For 20 years after the war, the country was rebuilt, they entered space, and the nuclear industry was built.

                  good good good drinks
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 15 February 2021 19: 00
        +9
        you can go instead of the coat of arms - under the tennis racket - the symbol of professionals. the anthem is replaced with "The Show Goes On" by Fredy Mercury.
        the prize money should be sent to Switzerland immediately.
        what is wrong now?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 15 February 2021 19: 07
          0
          We are The Champions!
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 35
      +3
      What kind of games will they be? And what is, at least approximately, the composition of their participants? Which countries will agree to participate, and why should they aggravate relations with international federations?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 15 February 2021 18: 50
        +9
        Quote: Phil77
        What kind of games will they be? And what is, at least approximately, the composition of their participants? Which countries will agree to participate, and why should they aggravate relations with international federations?


        I would take part in the towns, preference, ice hockey and bandy. Participants with VO. Although flags were also banned here.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 55
          +4
          +++++++ Yes, and WADA has no complaints against us. laughing
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 February 2021 20: 16
            +15
            Quote: Phil77
            +++++++ Yes, and WADA has no complaints against us. laughing

            While WADA does not know about us, it will find out - we will receive personal sanctions such as not traveling over the hill, confiscation of accounts, etc. We don't care, but how Vadik237 howls ...
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 15 February 2021 19: 48
        +16
        Quote: Phil77
        What kind of games will they be? And what is, at least approximately, the composition of their participants? Which countries will agree to participate, and why should they aggravate relations with international federations?

        The USSR could afford to arrange its own games. Russia is not. Even the CIS countries will refuse to participate. hi
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 15 February 2021 20: 11
          +14
          Hello Vladimir! Yes, he could. Because there was a strong country and there were allies from the socialist camp and some other countries. Now? You know the answer. And to be honest, this was an adequate ANSWER to the Moscow Olympics bikot.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 15 February 2021 20: 23
            +23
            Quote: Phil77
            Hello Vladimir! Yes, he could. Because there was a strong country and there were allies from the socialist camp and some other countries. Now? You know the answer. And to be honest, this was an adequate ANSWER to the Moscow Olympics bikot.

            At the Olympics in the 80th came 80 countries! Eighty ! And 64 countries boycotted .. More than half of the planet was with us. This is of course an indicator of Russia's place in the world ..
            Our sports officials, were and are engaged exclusively in earning the dough .. and the athletes now put the honor of the country in last place .. and the first is their own brand, which will also make it possible to earn dough. I do not condemn athletes, their age is short .. and it is necessary to live on something .. But officials from sports .. this is something. They are the ones who are guilty in this situation .. and they are the ones who do not mind going under the neutral flag ..
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 15 February 2021 20: 28
              +17
              Here, here, you guys argue, break spears and so on, so on, so on. And the chief * chief in sport * life is a success. wink

              Yes, and he knows English, such specialists are needed everywhere. laughing
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 15 February 2021 20: 32
                +12
                Quote: Phil77

                Yes, and he knows English, such specialists are needed everywhere.

                Nepotism and corruption in all spheres rules .. Yes, so desperately that soon nothing will be left of the country ..
              2. andrew42
                andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 47
                -5
                Well, why is THIS here? Are you suggesting V. Mutko to play like Kaloev? - More moves are not observed, with all the ambiguity of this character.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 16 February 2021 06: 38
                  +7
                  This means that Mutko is one of the creators of this situation, not the main one, I will note! But one of ...
                  Now, if it's not difficult, indicate, pliz, who is to blame? In your opinion.
                  1. Fan-fan
                    Fan-fan 16 February 2021 18: 01
                    +1
                    Who is to blame, Navalny is to blame, everyone knows that. Well, a little more the State Department with Ukraine, well, the Balts with the Poles, yes, I forgot NATO is guilty.
          2. Fat
            Fat 16 February 2021 02: 22
            -2
            You should leave this topic. Before WWA, our country did not take part in the Olympic movement, but it did not happen.
            Well, after Melbourne, Spartakia was still more attention
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 16 February 2021 09: 59
              +3
              Dear Andrey, Why should I leave this topic? And now to the history of the issue. 1947 The USSR Football Federation joins FIFA, the same year the then gymnastics section joins international structures. In the same year the IOC President proposes to take part in London Olympics 1948 But ... Comrade Stalin I.V. at a meeting on this issue, I asked the then sports functionaries whether they guarantee a successful and powerful performance of Soviet athletes in the tournament. They did not give such guarantees. It had to be postponed until 1952. Well, about friendly matches of football players with the Basques and Turks, I think it is possible and not to mention. You already know about the * Dynamo * tour to England.
              Best regards to you, Sergey.
        2. sheet
          sheet 16 February 2021 21: 56
          0
          The SSR could afford to arrange its own games. Russia is not. Even the CIS countries will refuse to participate.

          If only commercial starts. In today's situation, hardly anything else. And a complete ban on these starts at TI.
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 February 2021 19: 03
      +6
      Quote: credo
      each team has a homosexual, transgender or lesbian.

      Yes, Tchaikovsky is not without reason laughing
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 16 February 2021 02: 27
        -2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Yes, Tchaikovsky is not without reason

        Do you support homosexuals in their desire to introduce a great name to their company?
    4. Alf
      Alf 15 February 2021 20: 14
      +21
      Quote: credo
      In general, in all this sports bacchanalia, I am most amazed by the toothlessness of our sports officials.

      Officials? Or...
    5. qQQQ
      qQQQ 15 February 2021 21: 54
      +4
      Quote: credo
      In general, in all this sports bacchanalia, I am most amazed by the toothlessness of our sports officials.

      Money doesn't smell. Sport is a purely commercial enterprise and, having left the world stage, athletes lose a significant part of their earnings, and the state does not pay that way.
    6. Roman070280
      Roman070280 16 February 2021 12: 38
      +4
      the toothlessness of our sports officials is striking.
      Today this international (sports) mafia anthem is banned

      Our officials do not care ..
      The task was to win in the 14th year .. which was done ..
      After they have repeatedly repented of the use of doping, for which there is a retribution ..
      But it doesn't matter .. The main thing was to rest on our laurels in Sochi ..
    7. Ben Gunn
      Ben Gunn 16 February 2021 12: 40
      +3
      Of course they will agree, if only the money is paid. Officials from sports are those who did not come to defend the interests of the country, but to cut the budget on such "trifles" as the flag and the anthem, they deeply care ...
    8. KeithRichards
      KeithRichards 16 February 2021 17: 08
      0
      In fact, we already had our own games. One of the most shameful moments in the history of Russian sports. It was there that those who were really for the loot, and not for the idea, came to light.

      In the same year, this was carried out when an armful of winter roads were not allowed to participate in Korea. An alternative game called this. It was held within the framework of open domestic championships of Russia in various sports. Under "open" there was only one name. Among the foreign participants were a couple of Belarusians in biathlon and a Latinos-clown in skiing (I don't remember who exactly was there, in general, one of those Latinos who constantly disgrace their absolute inability to ski in qualifications for major starts, you can google, for example, Adrian Solano .. although I'm not sure if it was him).


      The prize money at these starts was equal to the payment of prize money for medals at the Olympics. And considering how we like to praise the Olympic medalists, they paid a lot. As a result, it turned out that at these starts some athletes, often even second-rate ones, raised more prize money than the leaders of their sport for the whole season. Of course, those who were allowed to go to the Olympic Games by the IOC received several times less for Korea than their teammates at alternative starts.
      I hope you understand what the "level" of competition was.

      The only sport that was not eager to squirt about these so-called. "their games" - skis. Almost everyone participated in 1 maximum of two starts. One generally distinguished himself (Ustyugov), at that time the leader of world skiing. He ran the race on foot, finishing in 70th place. And a day later, in a race that was not part of these scruffy games, he took first place. Apparently the guys did not want to bypass Bolshunov, the hero of the Olympic Games in Korea.
  2. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 15 February 2021 18: 55
    +12
    Quote: Sergey39
    Fully announced. It's time to organize your own Games.

    Well, you say, right. It was the USSR that could afford to hold the "Games of Goodwill", but not the current RF.
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 16 February 2021 08: 03
    -1
    In the 30s of the last century, the USSR was not a member of any international federations, but its own Olympics were held, and the level of sports was high. It's time to get back to that level.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 16 February 2021 10: 10
      +1
      The level of sports BECAME high, which led to the entry into the forties in international sports structures. It was necessary to develop and raise the level of sports in the international arena.
  4. Roman070280
    Roman070280 16 February 2021 12: 36
    +2
    It's time to organize your own Games.

    And doping then to whom to give ??

    And with regards to the flag / anthem .. a hundred people are running with the same "weapon" ..
    Again, not logical ..
  5. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 17 February 2021 07: 05
    0
    With blackjack and whores, I'm for)
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 15 February 2021 18: 07
    +4
    In my opinion, our athletes can compete with any flag. For example, the country is fighting for these athletes to be present at the Olympics. They are not going there at their own expense. But according to the requirements imposed on them, they (the athletes) actually renounce their country (yes, we undertake not to say that the flag cannot be from Russia, etc., etc.). Those. they, athletes, are ready not to associate themselves with the country, just to go. And then again, even if there will be all sorts of buns from the very country (which was abandoned) expect. As it is not curly
    1. credo
      credo 15 February 2021 18: 38
      +13
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      But according to the requirements imposed on them, they (the athletes) actually renounce their country (yes, we undertake not to say that the flag cannot be from Russia, etc., etc.).

      By the way, this technique of humiliation from our bosom "partners" easily fits with the formula "Overton's Window" - we were humiliated, we kept silent and bent down, we were humiliated again and we were silent again and bent down again, and the next time, when they humiliate us, we will have to crawl on my knees, because we were silent again.
      In fact, by agreeing to humiliating and unreasonable demands of international organizations, our sport officials dishonor Russia and its population.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 February 2021 18: 08
    -3
    Here I was recently accused of excessive patriotism for commenting. Then this article is what ?! belay
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 15 February 2021 18: 22
      +23
      To the question about patriots
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 19: 21
      +4
      And in response * minus *. lol
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 15 February 2021 18: 11
    -24%
    The whole country was "jarred" from this situation ... but, answer Adequately to a simple question: What did the athletes need to do? The age of a professional athlete is very short - the guys sometimes risk their lives and health for the sake of Achievements and Records, without taking part in serious international competitions - we will not be able to adequately compete on the World arena. Now it is necessary to include mechanisms of counteraction and not to accuse the Athletes of unpatriotism.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 15 February 2021 18: 43
      +15
      Quote: Hunter 2
      guys sometimes risk their lives and health for the sake of Achievements and Records, without taking part in serious international competitions - we will not be able to adequately compete on the World arena.

      Let me ask you, at whose expense the banquet? If the state does not participate, then please, but if the merit of the state in Achievements and Records is undeniable, then the alignment is completely different. Records in domestic competitions will remain Records and spit on the World arena. And will foreign athletes feel like champions, knowing that their golden achievements do not reach our domestic ones, and they are champions only because our athletes did not participate in competitions? We must learn to respect ourselves, not looking back at the "world community", then, and only then, we will begin to be respected on the world stage.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 15 February 2021 19: 37
        -18%
        You are probably not in the know about sports (high achievements). But ... on the other hand, you can hang labels beautifully. They (athletes) Respect Themselves, invest their health and Parents' money in sports. Wife, 24 times CHR, 2 times (1st and 2nd places) CHE in swimming, I know what I'm writing about ... what are the internal achievements ??? With whom will you put them to compete ??? Only in adequate sports competition can a Champion (nku) be raised.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 10
          +15
          "Sport of high achievements" is no longer Physical Culture. A couple of decades more, and cyborgs will ride on the Alempeads. Physical culture is when healthy, physically developed children grow up in every yard, who intend to lead a healthy lifestyle. One way or another, but any Champions first of all amuse their own ego, secondly they go after the Prize, and whether they understand themselves as representatives of the Country or not, this is already the personal attitude of each person-athlete. With the ideology of Bubble supremacy and Individual "success" there is nothing to be surprised at. Most of the "unfortunate" sportsmen, if they got in 1936, would have dashingly jumped to Munich to entertain Hitler in the arenas. A good question about sponsorship: if you refuse state symbols, there is no state support, look for a private trader, and yourself, yourself ... Even under Tchaikovsky, even under Mendelssohn.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 09: 25
      +1
      Quote: Hunter 2
      risk their lives and health for the sake of Achievements and Records

      Let the achievements and records be paid for by them.
    3. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 17 February 2021 15: 14
      -1
      So let a professional athlete build a stadium and training grounds for himself, hire a coach at his own expense. Then no one will accuse him of unpatriotism and there will be no unnecessary questions: they say everything is on his own ... everything is on his own, he is responsible for himself.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 16
    +6
    An article built on emotions. Nothing more. Oleg! Why didn't you indicate the reason for which all this lewdness went? And not a word about the specific culprits. The anthem, the flag, the tanks are certainly great. But these are emotions.
    Best regards, Sergei. hi
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 15 February 2021 18: 46
      +4
      Is it also emotions to spread rot to pure athletes? This is a meanness that we were forced to swallow.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 51
        +4
        An example of pure athletes who * rot *? The fact that our athletes will be forced to participate in competitions without a flag and anthem, whose fault? Not the sports authorities of Russia, no?
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 February 2021 20: 35
          +8
          Quote: Phil77
          The fact that our athletes will be forced to participate in competitions without a flag and anthem, whose fault?

          By the anthem ...

          Fine...
          I can imagine if a situation could ever happen when the Stars and Stripes are banned from performing by representatives of the United States.
        2. sheet
          sheet 16 February 2021 21: 26
          +2
          Quote: Phil77
          An example of pure athletes who * rot *?

          Shipulin, for example.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 February 2021 18: 16
    +13
    All this is strange and sad ... a Soviet person cannot understand this at all.
  • Destiny
    Destiny 15 February 2021 18: 19
    +23
    You refuse (from the anthem, flag, Motherland, Russian language and any other EU requirements). And only then will Europe let you go for a ride.


    I cannot imagine that Soviet athletes would sink to such a shame.

    This, in principle, could never have happened and under no circumstances.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 15 February 2021 18: 22
    +17
    If you are an athlete of Russia, you must play under the flag of your country. And listen to her hymn if you won
    ,, maybe all the same the state should defend the right to perform for athletes under the flag and anthem, otherwise the state turns out to be impotent.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 24
      +11
      So I’m talking about it! And it simply removed itself. And another small question, why were all appeals lost? Such are lawyers? Or is everything much more complicated?
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 15 February 2021 18: 49
        +10
        Comment from WADA:
        ,,, We are delighted to win such an important case. CAS has unequivocally confirmed our findings that the Russian authorities blatantly and illegally manipulated the data of the Moscow laboratory in an attempt to hide the state doping system. In the face of continued resistance and denial from Russia, we have clearly proven our case in accordance with the proper procedures.
        1. Andre___86
          Andre___86 15 February 2021 19: 51
          +6
          And the rest of the type without doping ??? It's just that the chemical industry is more modern))))
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 15 February 2021 20: 01
            +4
            * They eat * many. But ... don't get caught. And if you get caught, then draw conclusions, and not hope for * maybe * and Mutko. He will not save, rather he will help to drown.
          2. qQQQ
            qQQQ 15 February 2021 21: 59
            +9
            Quote: Andre___86
            And the rest of the type without doping ??? It's just that the chemical industry is more modern))))

            Others with help. All claims to our officials from sports, typed on the ad.
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 15 February 2021 18: 59
        +4
        Or is it much more complicated?
        Of course more difficult.
        The site is already crowded with propagandists. Here's another one. Again, the arrows on the athletes and Europe are transferred, causing another "seething shit" among the turbopatriotic hamsters.
        But no one wants to highlight the real reason for this situation.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 15 February 2021 19: 19
          +2
          Oh, Viktor Nikolaevich! How are you right! Probably from the * minuses * we received, the problem will instantly find a solution. And as always, the argumentation ... zero.
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 15 February 2021 19: 21
          -1
          It's nice to watch the hamsters push their elbows to squeeze the minus sign. I recall Bulgakov directly.
        3. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 17 February 2021 15: 21
          0
          Reason: Putin's Munich speech on February 10, 2007. American hegemony was challenged.
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 February 2021 19: 06
            +3
            Quote: Redfox3k
            Reason: Putin's Munich speech on February 10, 2007. American hegemony was challenged.

            And how are you doing?
    2. Destiny
      Destiny 15 February 2021 18: 36
      +22
      Quote: bubalik
      may all the same the state should defend the right to perform athletes under the flag and anthem

      When the Russian national team was suspended from participating under their flag in the 2018 Olympics, Putin said that the Russian authorities were not opposed to this option:
      "We, without any doubt, will not declare any blockade, we will not prevent our Olympians from taking part if one of them wants to take part in a personal capacity."

      Here is the "upholding of rights" by the state and its position on this issue - let them go, even under a white flag.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 14
        +3
        "White flag .... What a shame." - this phrase of George Merry from the movie "Treasure Island" my son knows from the age of 5.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 15 February 2021 18: 35
    +4
    Where will our athletes compete on equal terms and honestly with representatives of other countries?

    Indeed, where? Where will they compete fairly?
    The author was afraid even to name out loud the reason why Russian athletes are forced to endure all this disgrace. Moreover, those athletes who are not guilty of anything. Those caught doping have already been punished by disqualification, some forever, some for years, which is actually the same thing. Their best years will be spent outside of big-time sports. For it is said:
    "Who lied once, who will believe you?"
    For the sake of fairness, I note that I don't blame them. Not of their own free will, they ruined their health by taking drugs unlawful by the federations. Officials from sports should be punished for demanding new and new results from them.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 18: 38
      +3
      Good evening Alexander! To punish? But this is difficult, you know. But to transfer to another equally IMPORTANT position? One deck, hence the irreplaceability. And the results ... are deplorable.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 15 February 2021 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: Phil77
        Good evening Alexander! To punish? But this is difficult, you know. But to transfer to another equally IMPORTANT position? One deck, hence the irreplaceability. And the results ... are deplorable.

        Greetings. You're right. Appointees, who are moved from one position to another, without any dependence on the benefits and effectiveness of their work, exist outside of time and space. hi
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 February 2021 20: 23
          +17
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: Phil77
          Good evening Alexander! To punish? But this is difficult, you know. But to transfer to another equally IMPORTANT position? One deck, hence the irreplaceability. And the results ... are deplorable.

          Greetings. You're right. Appointees, who are moved from one position to another, without any dependence on the benefits and effectiveness of their work, exist outside of time and space. hi

          And WHO says every year-Satisfied with the work of the government? request
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 15 February 2021 18: 53
    +18
    I have a question for those who are smart in sports.
    And the truth is they say that our athletes are ready to endure any
    humiliation, just to participate in international competitions,
    which pays good money to win?
    Or slander about our "sports hero"?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 15 February 2021 19: 09
      -8
      Who are you, excuse my curiosity, by profession?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 20: 30
        -8
        Quote: Undecim
        Who are you, excuse my curiosity, by profession?

        Victor Nikolaevich, he is a navigator
      2. Bez 310
        Bez 310 15 February 2021 20: 38
        +11
        Quote: Undecim
        Who are you, excuse my curiosity, by profession?

        Retired, was a military man.
        Does this matter for the answer to my question?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 15 February 2021 22: 31
          -1
          Has, but not decisive.
          Just an athlete is also a profession. And to become a high-class professional, you have to work hard from childhood. Sacrificing a lot. And then suddenly a person is told that the state of which he is a citizen, to put it mildly, has done well, so if he is a patriot of this state, he must give up everything and start from scratch. How he will do it, his problems.
          Put yourself in his place.
          By the way, judging by your comments, you mastered your profession well, at a high level.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 15 February 2021 22: 48
            +5
            Quote: Undecim
            Just an athlete is also a profession.

            Your answer is so "streamlined" that the point is
            it is very difficult to catch. You are not aware, or
            do not want to answer directly?
            I see no connection with my profession. If a
            for that matter, then I changed my profession
            three times, and not for money, but according to circumstances.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 February 2021 08: 42
            0
            Quote: Undecim
            By the way, judging by your comments, you mastered your profession well, at a high level.

            And what do you have against professional workers - specialists in production and other creative activities? Have you heard about the surgeon Svyatoslav Fedorov? He brought more benefit to his country than all the members of the Russian national team after 1991. Did you know the professional Mikhail Kalashnikov? Thanks to his machine gun, Russia is known throughout the world.
            Leave today's Russian athletes (footballers in particular) to the discretion of the fans. In the USSR, sport was part of the state's prestige. In the Russian Federation, sport is part of the way to “cut the dough”.
            It is for this reason that money does not smell, the music of the anthem and the color of the flag do not matter much.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 23 February 2021 09: 53
              +2
              What do you have against professional workers
              Where do I have something about professional workers?
              And where does Kalashnikov have to do with it?
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 15 February 2021 19: 11
      +14
      Quote: Bez 310
      And the truth is they say that our athletes are ready to endure any
      humiliation, just to participate in international competitions,
      which pays good money to win?
      Or slander about our "sports hero"?

      This is what drives them, and no one slanders our "sports heroes".
      And in general, it's somehow funny that our people are worried about the problems of millionaire athletes, who initially achieve some results at the expense of the country, and then spit on its interests, because they need to cut down the loot so that they can wipe their pants somewhere else for the rest of their lives, or not work at all. I personally don't give a damn about them at all, since they are afraid to defiantly carry our flag, as Belarusian Andrei Fomochkin did.

      https://www.kp.ru/daily/26579/3594386/
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 February 2021 20: 25
        -13%
        And what is this creature in the wheelchair? And, judging by the photo, not one? And won't the presence of a wheelchair be considered doping?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 February 2021 20: 43
          +10
          Quote: Alf
          And what is this creature in the wheelchair?

          They're actually Paralympians, so don't equate them with those who make money from sports while healthy - for these people, it's just a way of adapting.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 19: 26
      -2
      As for humiliation, it's a moot point, but how would you describe a hockey player throwing himself under the puck?
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      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 20: 52
        +2
        Quote: Phil77
        But how would you define a hockey player throwing himself under the puck?

        Sha, everyone just took it and threw it ...
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 15 February 2021 19: 10
    +15
    Until 1952, the USSR did not participate in the Olympiads. Nevertheless, the sport of high achievements in the USSR was also of a very good level, since at the Olympics in Helsinki our team took 2nd place in the overall standings. I don't see any trouble in scoring with the device on the IOC and other federations and unions. Sport will not wither: there would be a desire.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 15 February 2021 19: 19
    +12
    Sports officials are needed with steel Fabergés, not snot chewing.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 15 February 2021 19: 23
    +29
    I cannot imagine that Soviet athletes would sink to such a shame.
    To begin with, no one would simply dare to deprive the athletes of the Soviet Union of the Anthem, and most importantly the Flag, under which Berlin was stormed. sad
  • nnm
    nnm 15 February 2021 19: 23
    0
    I remembered a small number from the UP:
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 20: 25
      -1
      Nonsense ... Where is my black pistol? Ahhh?
  • mark1969
    mark1969 15 February 2021 19: 25
    +5
    Better nothing, instead of somehow! Can I forget about conscience and honor?
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 15 February 2021 19: 26
    -1
    Suddenly it became interesting: does anyone present remember the words of the anthem of the Russian Federation?
    1. nnm
      nnm 15 February 2021 19: 29
      +2
      Words - no. In memory, completely different ones immediately pop up, y)) Even if you wake up in the middle of the night.
      I think that many foreigners, at the first chords of THAT anthem, are simply paralyzed from memories)))
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 15 February 2021 19: 51
        -1
        Words - no.
        Vooot! And me too. But this is a key point, without the awareness of which, this article and the whole holivar around it lose all meaning.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 February 2021 20: 00
          -16%
          Anton, with all due respect - to whom are you explaining this ??? Here the "expeditors" who cannot take their money off the sofa - they decided to gossip about the sport of high achievements ... and they absolutely do not care about the Athletes who put Health for the Honor of the Country.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 15 February 2021 20: 07
            -2
            Alexey! hi
            How can I dare to explain something to anyone in the society of noble Dons?!?!? I'm a jester! wassat
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 15 February 2021 21: 47
              +1
              We have already discussed "buffoonery": a good cohort of characters emerges.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 15 February 2021 22: 04
                -1
                "Vita brevis, ars longa, occasio praeceps, experientia fallax, iudicium difficile. (C) .... Et homo stultitia profunda.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 15 February 2021 22: 14
                  -1
                  Sibi imperare maximum imperium est.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 15 February 2021 22: 22
                    -1
                    Uh-huh.
                    Per rectum ad astrum.
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 16 February 2021 06: 51
                    +2
                    Guys, you are more careful with foreign letters. Someone did not understand and raaaz - * - * to both of you. laughing
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 16 February 2021 06: 53
                      0
                      Oh, okay.
                      "Bagheera noticed us."

                      Seryozha, if someone is scolded for anything, it's even interesting.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 20: 59
      +9
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      the words of the anthem of the Russian Federation?

      I remember the anthem of the USSR, the Indestructible Union of the free republics ...
      But I don't know a line of the new anthem ...
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 17
        +4
        The same story. I just can't learn the remake.
    3. Korsar4
      Korsar4 15 February 2021 21: 45
      0
      I remember. Actually, I remember a lot.
    4. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Suddenly it became interesting: does anyone present remember the words of the anthem of the Russian Federation?

      Greetings Anton! hi
      I always hum the USSR anthem to myself when I hear the melody of the Russian anthem. I am not a fan of the Soviet Union, however ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 15 February 2021 22: 08
        -1
        Albert! hi
        It would seem that: I asked a simple question that contains an exhaustive answer to the topic raised in the article. It turned out to have spat in a Petri dish.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 16
          +1
          "Duc don't bother Clinton
          Where Bill fiddled "(c) laughing
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 15 February 2021 22: 29
            -2
            "And the cleverness, the cleverness, what to do with it ?! (C) laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 43
              -8
              I show examples of a master class:
              1) The enemies of the communists, cowardly hiding behind liberal slogans, having ruined the Great Country, forced our athletes to drag out a faceless existence under a colorless neutral flag;
              2) I remember people crying when they saw the flying Olympic Bear. By our Russian naivety, they didn’t know that his surname was Caliper - Bandspoit and he flew to Israel, betraying the Soviet Motherland, meanly, from behind the Lebanese angle, to bomb Nyashka-Syria. Olympic Tale, Shalom, so to speak ..
              3) And it was like this ...
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 15 February 2021 22: 50
                +1
                And it was like this
                Shpakovsky will file a lawsuit.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 15 February 2021 23: 01
                  0
                  And it was like this ...
                  And I had a Greek neighbor on Proletarskaya Street. If at home we drank Gdr-ovsky Schnapps, snacking on thawed squid cooked in butter melted in a frying pan Peasant, pouring the juice of canned Bulgarian tomatoes over the product, then our neighbors had Moonshine, onions and pasta in the Navy with tangerines for the New Year.
                  But a Greek neighbor once a week organized the Olympics, which began with boxing, flowed into Free Wrestling and ended with long-distance running from the precinct ...
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 15 February 2021 19: 27
    +18
    1. Professional athletes are barter shows, just like singers, musicians, etc., so they need to sing, sorry, perform as much as possible - money goes for that.
    2. Victories in all sorts of competitions do not give the country anything: Ussein Bolt ran the fastest - did this give a lot to his native Jamaica?
    3. "Heroes of sports", running, jumping and the like, "for the honor of the Motherland" - I am jarred from these words. There are real heroes who fought in Chechnya, Syria and earlier, in the Great Patriotic War ... The word "Hero" should not be vulgarized.
    4. Let them perform anywhere and under whatever flags and anthems, but not at the expense of Russia.
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 15 February 2021 19: 54
      -21%
      Quote: pyagomail.ru

      "Heroes of sports", running, jumping and the like, "for the honor of the Motherland" - I am jarred from these words. ...

      Do you hear the "smart guy" who raised something heavier than a glass in life? Guys (athletes) Health is put for the honor of the Country - when medals like you at the Olympic Games are considered and are outraged, which is not enough. And Parents' Money and Competition at adequate World competitions help them become Champions.
      And right away, I'm in Chechnya - I was, unlike you, I have medals and an order ... and I don't need to scratch about "heroes" ... jarring - drink valerian.
      1. pyagomail.ru
        pyagomail.ru 15 February 2021 20: 06
        +18
        I didn’t drink on brotherhood with you, this is firstly, and secondly, the fact that they "put health for the honor of the country" does not help the country.
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 February 2021 20: 14
          -18%
          Well, first of all, I turned to you.
          Second, it's not like drinking with you ... even sitting down next to is creepy.
          The significance of the Country is expressed (in peacetime) in the quantity and quality of medals won in all kinds of competitions ... otherwise what kind of buoy (a float attached to the bottom) - the leading countries invest a lot of money in sports? The example of China will help you. In Russia this is NO !!! We are awarded for the Result !!! To which you still need to come.
          Continue to drink for brotherhood with partner # 1 or # 2. laughing
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 05
            +1
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Well, first of all, I turned to you.
            Second, it's not like drinking with you ... even sitting down next to is creepy.
            The significance of the Country is expressed (in peacetime) in the quantity and quality of medals won in all kinds of competitions ... otherwise what kind of buoy (a float attached to the bottom) - the leading countries invest a lot of money in sports? The example of China will help you. In Russia this is NO !!! We are awarded for the Result !!! To which you still need to come.
            Continue to drink for brotherhood with partner # 1 or # 2. laughing

            Greetings, Alex! hi Sport is cool, but if real, it cripples. And cripples the best. I'm talking about fast high achievements. And I agree with you - this is the optimal and, in principle, the cheapest advertising of the country's image
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 15 February 2021 22: 26
              +3
              in principle, the cheapest advertising of the country's image
              Something in African countries, the image is not growing.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 32
                +3
                And where do they have achievements, besides not the most spectacular athletics? In addition, we are talking about the NewsMakers countries - the same Switzerland, where the population is very athletic in general, the Olympic achievements did not fall in figs, the image was and is being built on something else. hi
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 15 February 2021 22: 39
                  +4
                  And where do they have achievements, besides not the most spectacular athletics?
                  Their football is at a high level. And this athletics. In Israel, the situation is also similar - instead of dancing on ice and gymnastics - high technology, science, medicine, the butts of neighbors wassat ... Maybe this is not how these sports are needed? Or would you rather be proud of an Olympic medal than the world's best cancer center?
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 15 February 2021 22: 13
            +4
            The significance of the Country is expressed (in peacetime) in the number and quality of medals won in all kinds of competitions
            And not in the quality of life of the population of this country?
            In Ireland, for example, there is no football, and with medals, the GDP is much higher than in Switzerland and Norway. And Usain Bolt didn’t raise their GDP in Jamaica. In Cameroon, again, the football players are great - only the people sometimes eat netti.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 33
              -2
              Answered above laughing
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 15 February 2021 20: 18
        +14
        You cannot defend the honor of the country speaking faceless hi
        1. Hunter 2
          Hunter 2 15 February 2021 20: 24
          -16%
          Quote: Popuas
          You cannot defend the honor of the country speaking faceless hi

          And to lose a whole generation of Athletes - who will become Coaches tomorrow ... is it normal? What can they teach young animals without experience in serious competitions?
          Everything flows and everything changes ... I hope our sports officials will finally grow their Teeth. And the State will start investing in promising guys. hi
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 15 February 2021 20: 46
            +13
            Quote: Hunter 2
            And to lose a whole generation of Athletes - who will become Coaches tomorrow

            In the Emirates or Cyprus?
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 15 February 2021 20: 56
              -16%
              What did you even think about, a triangle with eyes? request
              They will be Coaches in Our Country, they will raise Our children ... they will make someone Champions. (Just in case, answered, suddenly you understand).
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 15 February 2021 21: 02
                +18
                Quote: Hunter 2
                They will be trainers in Our Country, they will raise Our children.

                Dream, poacher, especially with the example of Rodnina ...
                "10 Russian trainers who worked abroad"
                https://www.championat.com/football/article-3228985-sergej-makedonskij.html
      3. qQQQ
        qQQQ 15 February 2021 22: 05
        +9
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Guys (athletes) Health is laid for the honor of the Country

        Well, first of all, they invest in health for money. Now, if you remove all bonuses, advertising, etc., give just a salary, albeit much higher than the average, then you can estimate who will be left to put health for the honor of the Motherland.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 15 February 2021 20: 54
      0



      Do you think these guys in the Russian national team sweaters are now thinking about money? At this very moment?
      It is clear that there is a professional risk, but ... at this moment they are wearing the form of the country for which they are playing. And by no means for money / in clubs they have great contracts! /. And you say - * showmen *. Eh.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 16 February 2021 02: 04
        +3
        Phil77 (Sergey) Yesterday, 20:54
        What do you think these guys in sweaters of the Russian national team Are you thinking about money now? At this very moment?

        Keyword "in sweaters of the Russian national team".
        When athletes fight for the Honor of the Country that raised them, including for its Symbols (Flag and Anthem) - in this case they are honored and respected.

        And when they perform without these Symbols, they "fight" for themselves personally - for "prize" and sponsorship contracts. In this case, for me personally, they are "not interesting".
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 16 February 2021 10: 37
          -3
          Okay. Come on like this. For winning the world championship, a hockey player receives 100000 euros. For the same Malkin, Ovechkin, Kuznetsov and other guys from the NHL is it a lot of money? No, it is clear that a lot of money doesn’t happen. But ... these guys are not in the national team only for objective reasons. This is what they are fighting for. hi
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 16 February 2021 13: 34
          0
          But for me personally, they are interesting / hockey players /, because in whatever form they perform, they do not cease to be OURS. And it is not their fault that the authorities cowardly * leaked * both them and the former sports glory of our country. They are nothing more than * switchmen *, as well as Mutko.
          I will add that in Soviet times they paid for winning the World Cup, not millions of course, but 1500 rubles from the Sports Committee were clearly not superfluous.
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 22
      +2
      I agree 100%. High athletic performance does not make a person a Hero. Just a Winner to be. While you have to be a Hero. And so you can agree that the winner in poker is a hero. But it even became interesting - is the chess champion a recognized Hero, or not? Or is it just the game of muscles and the endurance of the breathing apparatus?
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 15 February 2021 19: 46
    +9
    This circus with athletes from Russia also enrages. And most importantly, they perform ...
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 February 2021 19: 56
    -12%
    Sorry, I'm a little connected with high-tech sports. You can't become an international athlete in one day. It's work, work and more work. I look at the kids, at 6 in the morning they are on the ice. And not the fact that they will achieve anything. Today's collections began their climbing to the top of the sport 10 years ago, when this "scandal" did not smell. And that they should give up their dreams. Then show an example, Putin does not like fishing. When the skaters train, we have two ambulances. And God forbid they fall , they have to look away. They get up and overcoming the pain continue to polish the eliment. The fact that officials threw on the name of VADA is not the fault of the athletes. So when a German doctor pumps Western athletes, this is pampering, and when we won the 2014 Olympics in Sochi on a medal standings, this is a crime. they in the first place of the podium at any championship do not want to let a tear of victory under the Anthem and our flag, you are deeply mistaken. I will not say who and which coach, but his skater did not roar ranse, because there were no spectators. So he scolded her, like no, here the worker is standing, pointing at me, he prepares ice for you, so that you get ready! So do it for him! They love us and are waiting for support, a cry from the stands Russia forward, this is good adrenaline for them. Let's break through, there would be victories! Hockey, a figure and skis I will look no matter what.
  • Dron_sk
    Dron_sk 15 February 2021 20: 02
    +10
    I’ll tell you more - even at the World Ice Hockey Championship this year the anthem of the Russian Federation will not sound, but there will be Katyusha instead. Although neither hockey players nor skaters have ever been convicted of doping. Correctly they wrote above - it is worth bending once and then on the knurled one it is all extended to other species. On the sports portal championat.com, under similar news about hockey, I wrote a comment that we need to boycott this World Cup, because we live for the sake of emotions, and such an attitude spoils all emotions in advance even in the event of a victorious World Cup, because athletes represent the country at international competitions. It is impossible to fully represent the country without the anthem. A hymn is a hymn. And even worse is the attitude of the West towards our country, so why take part in such tournaments with such an attitude?
    On that portal, this comment of mine was removed. Because journalists will lose a significant part of their profits in the event of a boycott of the World Cup, the TV channels that have already paid for broadcasting the World Cup will lose even more. So it looks like they are ready to humiliate themselves further for money ...
  • Humpty
    Humpty 15 February 2021 20: 28
    +10
    If an athlete as a person is decent, then he will not be engaged in jumping into shit.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 February 2021 20: 53
    +19
    What country, such a team ... Semi-colonial and semi-colonial team, without a flag, without an anthem ... But for some reason we consider ourselves great. But the achievements that exist are not of this country. Another one that was. The only achievement in 30 years, the vaccine against covid
    1. Alf
      Alf 15 February 2021 20: 57
      +17
      Quote: parusnik
      Single achievement in 30 years, covid vaccine

      And that is questionable.
    2. veritas
      veritas 15 February 2021 22: 07
      +7
      Quote: parusnik
      Single achievement in 30 years, covid vaccine

      For thirty years - the vaccine. And then the Soviet school.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 February 2021 21: 06
    +3
    professional sports record sports is a corporation since the days of rome bread and circuses, the bowl has been pushed aside, but for the national teams of russia please look just to think about what 22 hefty men are doing for humanity on a large lawn?
  • veritas
    veritas 15 February 2021 22: 00
    +6
    In such a case, a leader is needed. And Russia is capable of becoming one right now, without delay.

    Is not it?

    Sport is a reflection of economics and politics. If everything is dull here, then it will be the same in sports.
  • certero
    15 February 2021 22: 41
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    The USSR could afford to arrange its own games. Russia is not. Even the CIS countries will refuse to participate

    So we don't need games at all. Sport is a show that Russia can easily do without. There are domestic competitions, finally. And let's use the money for physical education - the nation will be healthier.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 56
      +2
      I support. Here the light fell like a wedge on these Alemeads. This suffering is a collective analogue of individual withdrawal from the absence of the latest iPhone model. And be healthy in general. We also need to disperse the Premier League for a couple of years, - as a football player, I don't have the strength to look at the teams of clowns with multimillion-dollar salaries, half of which are foreigners: “We've come to you for chas, hey, bonjour, hellooo! Naas, - You are very lucky! Come on, all together ... etc. "
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 16 February 2021 07: 27
      +1
      How do you do it just! Do not need international sports? It’s already been. To hover in your own * get-together *, and the example of our Premier League, doesn’t tell you anything? Today is sports, tomorrow is culture and what? Isolation? The whole world is against us? And we are so white and fluffy? Tell me who is to blame in this particular case, athletes or careless bureaucrats? It is easiest to blame athletes for all sins. It's easy.
      Best regards, Sergei.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 16 February 2021 13: 04
        0
        It's really simple. Without the widespread development of physical culture in the country, which is the basis of the National Sports, no "international" sports are needed. Otherwise, the so-called "international sport" is a feast during the plague, a feeder for those who like to "live beautifully" and a "satisfactory" for those who want to become winners of the "coolest" of their kind (although I admit that the latter is good and evil at the same time, depending on what background) ..
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 16 February 2021 14: 08
          0
          Dear Andrey! But you must agree that physical education is everyone's business. Some people are interested in playing the ball, the puck in the yard. Others are quite the opposite. But the sport of the highest achievements was, is and will be. And yes! He is professional, in fact, he was such even in Soviet time. It's just that there were free sections for boys and girls, which is very good. Do you agree with this? I repeat, now they make some servants of evil from athletes. There are, of course, amazing creatures like Kokorin, Mamaev, Tarasov from among them. There are few of them? There are many more to be proud of. No? hi
    3. sheet
      sheet 16 February 2021 21: 40
      0
      So we don't need games at all. Sport is a show that Russia can easily do without

      Hello! He doesn't need games. Sport is achievement.
      It is necessary to return amateur sports as before. Look at biathlon, money makes you goofed, governors move athletes, change coaches at the crossing, juniors are not allowed to enter the World Cup. It is impossible to look without tears. Well, the head should be like Vyalbe, it is better if she herself.
  • certero
    15 February 2021 22: 44
    +5
    Quote: Hunter 2
    The value of the Country is expressed (in peacetime) in the quantity and quality of the medals won in all kinds of competitions ... otherwise what kind of buoy (a float attached to the bottom) - the leading countries invest a lot of money in sports? The example of China will help you.

    Show me where the American government invests huge amounts of money in sports?
    China has an ideology that should be ensured, including sports achievements. And the Chinese sportsmen would not play under the flag, if you don't understand why, without the anthem.
    And the significance of the country is expressed in the ability to conduct its own policy and protect its interests and the interests of its citizens. While Russia, even in this example, sucks with this. Otherwise, there would be no this post and this discussion.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 15 February 2021 23: 37
    +1
    I remembered the run-up to the 2018 PyeongChang Winter Games. I'm driving late from work, listening to Radio KP. There, the invited Norkins frolic on the air: they broadcast about how we need to understand and support our athletes, they squeeze a tear, Guberniev was crucified, Rodnin was being interviewed, oh wey, the kids will suffer in vain, they worked so much! In parallel, there was a survey: to go or not to go. 75 or 76 percent of respondents (calls, sms, and other channels) sent answers DON'T GO! How the Norkins howled pitifully at the entire Russian radio air - yes, it is also impossible, but what is it, but people do not understand. It really became a pity for these propagandists-explanators - they did not work out their gesheft. But it also became scary: how many figures are feeding around these games! And in fact they do not care about the Country.
  • nikant
    nikant 15 February 2021 23: 44
    +1
    That's right: the king was the first to chicken out and agree with his lousy and corrupt environment at all levels. And then the prostitute athletes went: for this is the simplest example of Judas, who for money will spit on honor, conscience, patriotism - they will sell their mother for the loot ... Russia-Rashka really resembles a weak-willed amoeba, with which they have been doing-experimenting for a long time - as they want wherever they want and when they want ... All sports all over the world are based on chemistry - this is not an open secret. And only the rashka is put in a stall ... Why? See above...
  • certero
    15 February 2021 23: 59
    0
    Quote: Phil77
    An article built on emotions. Nothing more. Oleg! Why didn't you indicate the reason for which all this lewdness went? And not a word about the specific culprits

    So patriotism is emotion. If a person were a robot without any emotions, then he would not give a damn about it. There would be the only criterion for efficiency and that's it.
    But even then I am sure the effectiveness of the performance of athletes not under their own flag would be rated low and would not be allowed.
  • certero
    16 February 2021 00: 00
    +3
    Quote: Hunter 2
    and they absolutely do not care about Athletes who put Health for the Honor of the Country

    somehow very strange athletes agreeing to act not under the flag of Russia and without an anthem understand a part of the country. Don't you think?
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    1. andrew42
      andrew42 16 February 2021 20: 19
      +1
      Your truth. If I have to accept death in the world, I will choose the Red Banner, the Imperial banner will also come down in reserve. They are powerful symbols, even without ideology. Under the flag of either Holland or Slovakia, there will be no last courage.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 16 February 2021 20: 25
      -2
      However, this is a matter of principle. Since the tricolor was in the hands, you will have to protect it. Yes, even panties on a stick, the main thing is that OURS. And nobody is allowed to spit in them :)
    3. Obliterator
      Obliterator 17 February 2021 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Yarosh
      Yes, they have already brought this Vlasov-White Guard-Kerensky rag to the holes, for normal Russians this is the Red Banner or the Imperial Banner

      For radical Russians, not normal ones. The empire is now the flag of nationalists, monarchists and Cossacks.
  • certero
    16 February 2021 00: 05
    +5
    Quote: Hunter 2
    They will be Coaches in Our Country, they will raise Our children ... they will make someone Champions.

    You have too many capital letters in simple words to take your opinion too seriously.
    It is absolutely easy for the country to do without world champions in any sport. Just as easy as it can do without a lot of singers, actors and other showmen. A simple example last year was the Winter Olympics in Tokyo. Did anyone other than the athletes notice her absence?
    But the country cannot do without doctors, engineers and teachers. And without those coaches who will teach kids at school to play football is also not very good. Because simple sports and physical education are the health of the population. And watching a football match in the stands while drinking beer on the contrary.
  • Fat
    Fat 16 February 2021 01: 09
    0
    Do nothing! The frankly weak decided to hide behind bad politics. It won't end well. It will be ridiculous for me to hear the state anthem in honor of a transvestite. The winner of the women's championship. Be proud, partners, of freaks. Which only has a place on the password, limited opportunities in all their artificial glory. And it gets dirty too. I have no words other than rough ones.
    But any chemistry is searched for, even if it is impossible to find it, due to its absence.
    Got it, in short.
    Olympiad will die in its original sense. You might think for the first time.
  • pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 16 February 2021 02: 40
    +1
    The country's flag and anthem are mental tanks and cannons.


    And also, if you load the guns, you get our wives.
    Here are our wives with flags and singing a hymn. It looks like a demonstration on November 7 or May 9. Well yes. But, tanks are still going ahead.
  • Freeman
    Freeman 16 February 2021 02: 49
    0
    The International Skating Union does not object to the use of Pyotr Tchaikovsky's music as an anthem by Russian figure skaters at the World Championships.


    They got excited, having resolved without thinking. "Right now they will correct them."
    Well, or at any next competitions, for athletes from Russia, performing without the National Flag and Anthem, in case of winning prizes, they will play the melody "Mephistopheles' couplets" from the opera "Faust" by Charles Gounod. wassat

  • U-58
    U-58 16 February 2021 03: 45
    0
    That's right, Oleg!
  • fa2998
    fa2998 16 February 2021 06: 02
    +1
    Quote: antivirus
    you can go instead of the coat of arms - under the tennis racket - the symbol of professionals. the anthem is replaced with "The Show Goes On" by Fredy Mercury.
    the prize money should be sent to Switzerland immediately.
    what is wrong now?

    Let them do whatever they want, ONLY do not waste taxpayers' money, and do not use any names (abbreviations) indicating the Russian Federation! laughing hi
  • Million
    Million 16 February 2021 08: 42
    +6
    Another loss for Putin
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 February 2021 11: 31
    0
    There was one case when, instead of the anthem of the USSR, the orchestra played "Wide is my native country." Nobody had anything against it. Even if our Sports Federation were negotiating with China, India and others to get out of this mess, such a statement of the question would play a positive role. OIC does not want to lose contributions, and he would go to meet our country.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 16 February 2021 12: 34
    +3
    Like, why all this now?

    Where the back is warm - there is the homeland! There are some.

    But the hymn, the flag and the feelings associated with these symbols are weapons.

    Some kind of vicious circle .. Do you have to fight ??
    And if there is no need for weapons ?? Then you can "Where the back is warm - there is the homeland!" ??
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 16 February 2021 12: 35
    +3
    If you are an athlete of Russia, you must play under the flag of your country. And listen to her hymn, if won.


    In this case, Russia lost.
    Defeated to smithereens ..
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 16 February 2021 13: 04
    0
    Our athletes were banned from performing under the flag of the Russian Federation, banned from wearing the colors of the Russian flag, banned from singing the Russian anthem ...
    However, something tells me that in reality this is not a punishment, but a demonstrative insult! Purposeful humiliation of the Great Power!
    But here's what I don't understand: why did it not occur to anyone to unfurl the Russian Imperial Flag during the speeches. This flag is also a symbol of Russia. Perhaps this flag is even a larger symbol than the currently officially adopted ...
    What prevents from performing in the colors of the Russian Imperial Flag?
    What prevented our fans from unfurling the Russian Imperial Flags in the stands?
  • illuminat
    illuminat 16 February 2021 13: 09
    +2
    Wouldn't it be better to start completely new sports federations right now?
    And new Russian-Asian championships?
    A good idea, of course. However, a significant number of professional athletes have long and firmly been citizens of the world.

    Back in the XNUMXs, I was struck by the revelation of the coach of one of the pairs (a Russian pair, very titled) of figure skating. The partner had an alternative - to play for Russia, Ukraine or Japan.
    The choice in favor of Russia was made according to the criterion (!) Of maximum combination with a partner.

    That’s all patriotism.
  • sheet
    sheet 16 February 2021 21: 19
    -3
    I cannot imagine that Soviet athletes would sink to such a shame.

    Why introduce? It was in 2018.
    1. av58
      av58 19 February 2021 18: 00
      +1
      These were not Soviet athletes.
      1. sheet
        sheet 19 February 2021 20: 32
        +1
        Quote: av58
        These were not Soviet athletes.

        My joint. I apologize.
        Just 2018, gray uniform, white flag are fresh in mind.
  • certero
    17 February 2021 01: 53
    +1
    Quote: sheet
    Why introduce? It was in 2018.

    Were there Soviet athletes in 2018?
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 17 February 2021 08: 00
    +1
    The refusal of the flag and anthem is just right for disrespecting the symbols of the country. And punish!
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 22 February 2021 08: 05
      0
      This is downright disrespect. There is no need to equate anything.
  • Plate
    Plate 18 February 2021 18: 51
    0
    A tank will not fire, a machine gun will not shoot and a rocket will not take off without the will of a fighter who wants to defend his homeland.

    Yes? What if we replace the fighter with a software algorithm?
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 February 2021 22: 11
    -4
    The country's flag and anthem are mental tanks and cannons
    And the patch and the pension are mental anti-guns and anti-tanks of the Russian Federation.
  • av58
    av58 19 February 2021 17: 59
    +1
    That's right, I completely agree. You can understand athletes, their whole life is tailored for training and victories, and the Olympics are the pinnacle of competition, but there is an important circumstance: sport is, in principle, a private matter. It is fundamentally. This is not a job as a miner, farmer, teacher, doctor, military man, engineer, etc. All these sports victories practically give nothing to the people or the country. Sport is not physical education.
    Secondly, the state invests a lot of money in the training of athletes, not for any reason, but to promote the national flag, emblem, anthem.
    Therefore, if in the current situation an athlete wants to perform, then let him speak on behalf of himself, at his own expense or at the expense of a sponsor, and reimburse the state expenses for his training.
    Third: the decision of the IOC, WADA and the International Sports Court is directed not against Russian athletes, but against Russia, and it would be correct to deprive all Russian athletes participating in competitions under a neutral flag and an incomprehensible status of the right to compete under the Russian flag, coat of arms and anthem for life.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 22 February 2021 11: 02
    +1
    The topic is very relevant. I can't think of it, the lack of reaction from the Russian authorities. Concerns and frustrations don't count. The ban on singing the national anthem and the flag is an insult to the country. The reaction should be as harsh as possible, up to the withdrawal from all federations and the termination of sponsoring these misunderstandings. The same IOC must be recognized as an illegitimate structure based on discrimination against the participating country. With this attitude of the authorities, we are recognized as second-rate. The arguments about the fact that the athletes are not to blame are straightforward, they prepared, trained, they say, they cannot be deprived of the opportunity to shine ..... This is humiliation to follow the lead of Russophobes and agree to their terms.