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American press: Russian submarine fleet is becoming a serious problem for the United States

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American press: Russian submarine fleet is becoming a serious problem for the United States

The Russian submarine fleet is regaining the positions it lost after the collapse of the Soviet Union and now poses a real threat to the United States and its NATO allies. The American edition of The Diplomat writes about this.


The publication notes that modern Russia has managed to overcome the trend of the early 90s of the last century to reduce the number of submarines. This was the result of an increase in the defense budget, economic recovery and new developments by Russian scientists. The publication also paid attention to the high prices for Russian oil and the personality of Vladimir Putin.

After a sharp decline in the 1990s, defense spending has increased since 2000, following the rise to power of Vladimir Putin and a sharp rise in oil prices

- writes The Diplomat.

The author of the article emphasizes that Russia has significantly reduced the construction time for modern nuclear submarines, introducing new innovative methods and building more advanced and powerful submarines than it was in the 90s and 2000s.

Among the Russian nuclear submarines that pose a real threat to the American fleet and NATO allies, the publication notes project 885 submarines (Ash and Yasen-M) armed with Kalibr cruise missiles, 955 (Borey and Borey-A) with Bulava ICBMs, as well as secret carriers of Poseidon APL nuclear torpedoes Khabarovsk "and" Belgorod ".

It is noted that in a number of areas the Russian fleet is ahead of Western rivals, but despite this, Russia does not have enough opportunities to build up its forces and project its power on a global scale.

Russia lags far behind the United States in anti-submarine warfare, surface ships, transport aircraft and automated control systems

- concludes The Diplomat.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 13 February 2021 15: 59
    +14
    Russian submarine fleet becomes a serious problem for the United States

    Our submarines have always been a headache for mattresses.
    There were and will be!
    1. Finches
      Finches 13 February 2021 16: 21
      +13
      Since everything in the USA is based on lobbying someone's interests, the chain can be traced clearly - large hucksters-manufacturers, in collusion with the command of the fleet, pay for such articles, creating excitement, then corrupt senators and congressmen are connected and voila - a fat piece of the budget for the Navy is already sawing! laughing
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 13 February 2021 16: 33
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        creating excitement, then corrupt senators and congressmen are connected and voila - already sawing a fat piece of the budget for the Navy

        To the point, colleague. It is for this that all this is written ... just the image of the enemy must be formidable enough to scare anyone ...
        1. aars
          aars 13 February 2021 16: 57
          -4
          But, if there is no real content behind the created image, nothing will come of it!
          1. hirurg
            hirurg 13 February 2021 20: 01
            +3
            You are wrong. For cutting, it is enough to create an image. How do you check? Are you going to ask the RF Ministry of Defense?
            Especially if they are tied together. Some start the song, some continue, some get money, some share with everyone, and say ... Little funding, I must add. In response to them ... but you don't ... And here again the first and second ones speak about strengthening ..
            Yes, and by the way. Under these comrades, almost all media
            1. Sergey Averchenkov
              Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 07: 49
              0
              Go to the Oval or Anal. He sees a cut everywhere.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 February 2021 18: 34
          +3
          Eugene, hi !
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          the image of the enemy must be formidable enough to frighten anyone ...

          Duc, if you do not frighten - the vassals will not be afraid and the Hosts will not give money. In the case of America, the "Hosts" are the owners of the American military-industrial complex, allocating money for it.
          What is surprising - if only a drop of truth was in the screams about the "Russian threat" ... Well, okay, now let's say there is something to talk about. But in the 90s, who was afraid of us? And the image of the enemy was sculpted diligently. For example
          Golden Eye (1995)
          Already in the perestroika 80s, Bond organized a major sabotage in the USSR and, fleeing after it, mowed down our soldiers by dozens. A few years later, he finds himself in post-Soviet Russia. But it turns out to be not democratic, but marasmic and criminal. Russian generals-mafiosi, possessing codes of secret space weapons, seek to burn London.

          Broken Arrow (1996)
          Hollywood, willingly or unwillingly, created an evil empire out of the new Russia, trying to revive. The film with Travolta and Christian Slater also distinguished itself by the fact that it throws the assertion that in any post-Soviet republic you can buy a nuclear warhead for two BMWs.

          The Peacemaker (1997)
          A Russian nationalist general (associated with our mafia in Europe, and at the same time with the Bosnian Serbs) steals ten nuclear warheads.
          The general is portrayed by Alexander Baluev, although the main characters in the film are Clooney and Kidman. Concealing the abduction, he uses sixes to exterminate an entire platoon of Russian soldiers, and then orchestrates a nuclear explosion in the middle of Russia (so that everyone would believe that the warheads were not stolen, but accidentally exploded). At the same time, a train with nuclear warheads in modern Russia is dragged not by an electric locomotive or even a diesel locomotive, but by a steam locomotive of the 1837 model.
          And many, and many more ... No less famous and little familiar to a wide audience.

          Hence the logic of the question - If now there is a threat and the Americans are scaring the whole world with us, then in the 90s what were they afraid of, why were they hysterical? Why did they scare you with something that does not exist? The answer is as simple as a $ 20 piece of paper - "Give me money!" Otherwise, the terrible Russians will come ... And the presence or absence of the threat itself has nothing to do with the word "absolutely".
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 13 February 2021 19: 39
            -4
            Yes, Russia does not have the most powerful fleet in the world. Only lol the third.
            But she Yes how to answer in case of need! She has wonderful submarines. Especially new ones. Fears of mattress covers are well-founded. yes
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 14 February 2021 14: 37
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            and in the 90s what were they afraid of, why were they hysterical ... (?)

            Colleague, you are distorting the facts. They were not hysterical in the 90s ... They reveled in a “victory” over the evil empire. ”Here are the facts.
            (Although this is clearly a propaganda "unpopular" discovery, but such is the truth. Such is the strategic miscalculation of the Yankees, who believed in their "victory" over the Russians ...)
            1. In the 90s, the Americans sincerely believed that "the game is done"! They even cast a medal "For Victory in the Cold War" and awarded everyone involved, including Gorby. He accepted it with a bow and even put it on the lapel of his coat, Judas. am
            2. Believing in their "victory", the Yankees reduced their ICBMs by 1/3, SSBNs by 1/4 (4 Nuts were transferred to SSGNs), slaughtered the Sea Wolf program (made 3 instead of 30, then 26 hulls planned for construction)
            3. The Air Force was similarly "adjusted".
            4. Land forces have never been quoted at all, but here they have completely fallen into desolation. Even the factories for the production of Abrams were closed, leaving only repair and part of the lines for "modernization".
            Having relaxed, and considering that Russia as a superpower has been thrown from the global chessboard into the category of "regional" powers, and its economy is "torn to pieces", the Armed Forces is in decline, the strategic components are sharply reduced under the control of the curators because of a big puddle ... Yankee engaged in fantasies and experiments with exotic types of weapons and military equipment. Laser weapons, spaceships, Zumvolts, stealths, etc. And the strategic triad continued to exist without undergoing drastic changes ...
            This was possible because at this time, the RF Armed Forces writhed in the skillful hands of vivisector Taburetkin and his female battalion of assistants (such as Vasilyeva).
            Only the preservation of the NSW did not allow the Yankees to dismember and put an end to this rebellious country called RUSSIA!
            Our country is very lucky that all this time it was headed by the "quiet man" VVP. Which, "without noise and dust," managed to overcome the seven-bank crisis, gradually, move the economy off the ground, reform the Armed Forces, equip them with the latest types of weapons and equipment, amend the country's Constitution, deal with internal problems: development and strengthening of the economy, social issues, reorganization of health care. ..
            Trump saw it all well. To the best of his ability, he tried to slow down the development of the Russian Federation with sanctions and bans, surround us along the perimeter of the borders with fires of color revolutions, organize internal opposition along the lines of the Maydauns ...
            And now, when the "train has left", the Yankees have nothing to do with hysteria and pump up their military-industrial complex with green papers while frightening the layman with Russian and Chinese threats.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 14 February 2021 15: 07
              +1
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              They were not hysterical in the 90s ... They reveled in "victory" over the evil empire. "

              On my own behalf, Alexander, I will add one more point (I almost said "fifth" laughing) to your list.
              In the late 90s (in my opinion, the year 97-98) there was a Pentagon report to Congress, which was classified then, and a few years ago either declassified, or there was a leak (I don't remember now). The meaning of the report was that by 2004 the Russian army would cease to exist as a combat-ready unit.

              With my thoughts I can speculate that with all the "coming true of their dreams" by 2010 the process of splitting Russia into a half dozen "Ukrainians" would have been completed and, by 2015, there would have been a smooth colonization of the resulting "pieces".
              The 90s would be remembered as a sweet childhood dream. Those of us who would have survived the newly approved, now American, Ost plan.

              But, as often happens in America, "at a certain point something went wrong." And, if not for Taburetkin with his witches ( am am am ), then in America specifically and NATO as a whole, four or five years ago they would have yelled: "Houston !!!! Weheveproblem !!!! ..."

              In 2000, America missed Putin. Didn't appreciate the potential. Now he regrets. After such an epic failure, according to the new American tradition of announcing "posthumous impeachments", it is now necessary to stir up pensioners and take away pensions from former employees of analytical departments of the CIA and the Pentagon.
              In 2000 they would have supplied us with some kind of Medvedev slug. He would play an iPhone and not climb anywhere. But analysts missed, miscalculated ...
        3. yehat2
          yehat2 15 February 2021 09: 52
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          the image of the enemy must be

          often you just need a formal excuse and you don't need to scare someone.
          if there were no Russian navy, the USA would start talking about the terrible mini-submarines of North Korea or China or the mighty fleet of Myanmar.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 14 February 2021 10: 21
        0
        Since everything in the USA is built on lobbying someone's interests, the chain can be traced clearly

        The United States is the only country in the world in which corruption and bribery is called lobbying.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 February 2021 17: 12
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Our submarines have always been a headache for mattresses.
      There were and will be!


      What kind of sea monster? I don't really understand, but it seems to me that Boreas.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 13 February 2021 17: 14
        +1
        Yes it looks like Boreas.
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 13 February 2021 17: 27
      +3
      Quote: Victor_B
      Russian submarine fleet becomes a serious problem for the United States

      Our submarines have always been a headache for mattresses.
      There were and will be!

      And for the American elite, all the new Soviet and Russian weapons created in response to their weapons becomes their headache - the money has been spent, but a "response" has been created that can fly in or sail!
      1. STORM 12
        STORM 12 14 February 2021 01: 21
        0
        or fall from space .......
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 13 February 2021 19: 43
      +1
      Poseidon is down their throat!)))
    5. ironic
      ironic 14 February 2021 14: 17
      0
      Potentially yes. But not at the current count ratio.
  2. rudolff
    rudolff 13 February 2021 16: 01
    +3
    The publication probably writes about Russia from an alternative reality.
    "Among the Russian nuclear submarines that pose a real threat to the American fleet and NATO allies, the publication notes the submarines of project 885 (Ash and Ash-M) ..." What kind of submarines? The only Severodvinsk, which was pushed aside by the fleet with a mass of imperfections?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 February 2021 16: 06
      +10
      Severodvinsk, as well as Kazan and Novosibirsk on trials, will soon be launched into Krasnoyarsk. Business goes. After all, 5 Boreys are already in service. Belgorod is being tested. Khabarovsk will be launched this year. The country's complicated history and, as a result, the complexity of building a submarine fleet. Either in the heat, then in the cold it throws, which affects the timing of the creation of the nuclear submarine, and nevertheless, a way out was eventually found. They temper difficulties.
      To replace the "submarine hunters" - the multipurpose "Shchukam-B" project 971 - the submarine of project 957 with the code "Kedr" was intended, which never saw serial production. Project 885 "Ash" was born as a replacement for the "batons" of projects 949 and 949A. It was only later, when at first the late Soviet industry simply did not master the Kedr, the Navy announced that Ash would replace all boats, except for ballistic missile carriers. In reality, this ship was not intended for this, it was a necessary measure after the failure of the "Cedar".


      As a result, the project 855M "Yasen-M" was born. Many people think that this is an improved "Ash". This is not true. A similar number and code should not deceive anyone. Much has been completely redone in it, and the point is not only that the new project has a shorter hull, less draft and more missiles in vertical launchers. The changes are much more significant. This ship's compartments are differently arranged, the number of torpedo tubes has been reduced, the angles of their installation have been changed, other mechanisms and ship systems, the radio-electronic equipment is significantly different ... It's just a different boat. And the lead (that is, the first of the built) ships of this type is the "Kazan".

      It is widely known how new types of warships are being born in modern Russia. The defeat of the military shipbuilding, ill-conceived reforms, revisions of the distribution of powers between the Main Command of the Navy and the Defense Ministry apparatus as a whole led to an intellectual collapse in our shipbuilding. The customer often does not know what he wants, or knows, but cannot formulate, and the builder does not always understand how to do it. As a result, a new project is like a fire. Nothing really works in it, and then it has to be redone for a long time. So the delays of Kazan and Novosibirsk should not be surprising - everything new in our fleet will be born in agony for a long time to come.

      https://m.vz.ru/society/2020/12/30/1078055.html
      1. ironic
        ironic 14 February 2021 14: 22
        0
        So far, from the new generation of tactical boats, it looks like this: one and a half against 22.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 15 February 2021 09: 53
        0
        it's good that the leapfrog with the types is reduced and the submarines are serial.
        I think 3-4 types are enough for the fleet.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 13 February 2021 16: 11
      +4
      My soul hurts for the submariners and the fleet hi
    3. Finches
      Finches 13 February 2021 16: 25
      +5
      The mandate of the Americans is understandable, but the fear of local fighters against the totalitarian regime in front of the resurgent Russian Navy overshadows the enemy! laughing Today we have 70 submarines in service, 12 of them with ballistic missiles, not enough of course, but the process is underway ... Of course, it is easier to believe in Putin's palace near Gelendzhik than in the fact that new ones have been steadily coming off the stocks since the early 2000s. submarines and ships! Probably, you are suggesting how in the 90s - to change our defenses for toilet paper?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 13 February 2021 16: 49
        +10
        Zyablitsev-Evgeny hi in Putin's palace in Gelendzhik, they secretly build a Husky-Laika submarine, and then, along a secret underground passage, they are rolled onto one of the country's fleets wassat But this is a superpuper secret, so shhh - not words to anyone! !! negative wassat
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 February 2021 18: 46
          +2
          Quote: Thrifty
          in Putin's palace in Gelendzhik, they secretly build a Husky-Laika submarine, and then, along a secret underground passage, they are rolled onto one of the country's fleets

          A neighbor told me a secret yesterday - a drunken FSB lieutenant-colonel general told him in a pub and showed route maps on his tablet. Submarines are not rolled along underground passages. In front of each boat of the Husky-Laiki project, 20 thousand war moles are allowed. They dig a corridor, and throw the soil behind the boat to be secret, so that the enemy and diggers would not pass through the underground passage.

          Only to anyone! This is a state secret!
      2. mvg
        mvg 13 February 2021 16: 50
        -3
        12 of them with ballistic missiles

        You will not be so kind to name a dozen with a bang. Then escho a couple of times Hurray-Hurray
        1. Finches
          Finches 13 February 2021 16: 52
          +1
          Yes, I can name. But you yourself can easily find this information in the public domain. So really - Hurray Hurray! hi
          1. mvg
            mvg 13 February 2021 17: 27
            +1
            Yes, I can name

            Do not hesitate ... 3 x pr 667BRD awaiting write-off from R-29R, 6 (one under repair) x 667BDRM from R-29RMU2, and, theoretically, 3 x pr 955 and 955A. There is a little shortage up to 12. Ie. combat-ready 8 pcs, on duty 2-3
            1. Finches
              Finches 13 February 2021 17: 28
              -1
              I'm not going to argue with you - take it as you see fit!
            2. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 13 February 2021 17: 53
              +8
              Quote: mvg
              Yes, I can name

              Do not hesitate ... 3 x pr 667BRD awaiting write-off from R-29R, 6 (one under repair) x 667BDRM from R-29RMU2, and, theoretically, 3 x pr 955 and 955A. There is a little shortage up to 12. Ie. combat-ready 8 pcs, on duty 2-3



              Here is the data from open sources.
              ... TK-208 "Dmitry Donskoy" pr.941UM,
              .K-549 "Prince Vladimir" pr.955A,
              K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" pr.955,
              K-51 "Verkhoturye" pr.667BDRM.,
              K-84 "Yekaterinburg" pr.667BDRM ,.
              K-114 "Tula" pr.667BDRM,
              K-117 "Bryansk" pr.667BDRM ,.
              K-18 "Karelia" pr.667BDRM,
              K-407 "Novomoskovsk" pr.667BDRM ,.
              K-44 "Ryazan" pr.667BDR,
              K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" pr.955,
              K-551 "Vladimir Monomakh" pr.955

              http://russianships.info/today/
              1. mvg
                mvg 13 February 2021 18: 37
                +6
                Here is the data from open sources

                Duck and I did not suck from a finger ...
                Ryazan, 1982, with a missile at 6500 km. Do you think it is combat-ready? One 667 Squid under repair. 941 Shark test stand, P-39 is not on it, one mine is in operation. All 955 have passed the State Standard, the flag raised? We must stop doing paperwork.
              2. VALERIK_097
                VALERIK_097 13 February 2021 19: 34
                -1
                Here is the data from open sources.
                Sorry, they are already outdated ((((
              3. Runway
                Runway 14 February 2021 01: 16
                0
                Water carrier - stand.
                Karelia, Ryazan, Yekaterinburg - for cutting after commissioning of the 955s (direct replacement). Then the rest of the metal.
                In the five-year plan we will have 8 RPCS of the same type.
                For each RPKSN, the best option is to have 8 napl and 8 plark. There are 8 more plarks to counter the UG. In total, 24 sub / diesel engines in the line (not counting steamers under repair / modernization - multiply by 0,5) - 4 diesels / 8 plarks.
                Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet Must have a total of 12 naval / and 8/24 rpksn / plark in order to have a high KOH and pose a threat.
                1. Nemchinov Vl
                  Nemchinov Vl 14 February 2021 03: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: WFP
                  Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet Must have a total of 12 naval / and 8/24 rpksn / plark,
                  yes but due to stubbornness at 885m (its size and PRICE !!), and not a successful project (hybrid between "Kedr", RTMK or "Baracuda" by size and accordingly price !! and hence the speed of construction !!), the next 14-15 years, go out on 24 SSGN and SSNS - it is unlikely to succeed ... recourse
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 13 February 2021 17: 23
          +3
          Quote: mvg
          12 of them with ballistic missiles

          You will not be so kind to name a dozen with a bang. Then escho a couple of times Hurray-Hurray


          summary table
          by the Russian Navy 2021

          ... Class
          BF
          BSF
          SF
          Pacific Fleet
          KVFl
          In total
          Ballistic missile nuclear submarines
          -
          -
          9
          3
          -
          12
          Nuclear submarines with cruise missiles
          -
          -
          4
          5
          -
          9
          Multipurpose nuclear submarines
          -
          -
          13
          4
          -
          17
          Special purpose nuclear submarines
          -
          -
          8
          -
          -
          8
          Diesel special purpose submarines
          -
          -
          1
          -
          -
          1
          Diesel submarines
          1
          7
          6
          9
          -
          23
          Total Submarines: 70

          http://russianships.info/today/

          Plus 2 more missile carriers.
          ... The pace of construction for the Navy continues to grow: in 2021, the Navy will receive 32 ships. For example, two Borei-A-class strategic nuclear submarines will be added to the combat strength. The cruisers "Knyaz Oleg" and "Generalissimo Suvorov" with ballistic missiles "Bulava" were created according to an improved design: they differ from the previous "Boreyev" in stealth, improved controls, communication systems and hydroacoustics, and more comfortable living conditions for the crew.

          https://ria.ru/20210103/vooruzheniya-1590387024.html
          1. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 14 February 2021 03: 42
            +4
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            summary table
            for the Russian Navy 2021 .....
            Multipurpose nuclear submarines ...
            SF - 13
            Pacific Fleet - 4 .....
            total 17 (!).....

            Find so many able to carry BS (and name them *) ?! and this whole site will give you a standing ovation !!!
          2. FRoman1984
            FRoman1984 14 February 2021 06: 51
            +1
            How many on your list are combat-ready? How many of the combat-ready are a real danger? A pair of modernized 971s, one 885 (which is sharpened for testing), 4 boats 995. And that's all. That's the whole submarine fleet. Our boats have always been under control since the 1990s, it is not difficult to control 1-2 SSBNs (which are on alert) and 2-3 multipurpose boats. They have a highly developed anti-submarine aviation and, unlike the faster they build analogues of the Ash - the Virginia boats.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 14 February 2021 10: 31
              +1
              Now I was looking at the Internet, I found that it was armed with 4 Boreas and 1 Ash.
              TOTAL: 5 modern submarines.
              And "Poseidons" are not at all and it is not yet known whether they will appear.
              1. FRoman1984
                FRoman1984 14 February 2021 17: 41
                0
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Now I was looking at the Internet, I found that it was armed with 4 Boreas and 1 Ash.
                TOTAL: 5 modern submarines.
                And "Poseidons" are not at all and it is not yet known whether they will appear.

                Even if we add 4 boats of the 971 project, those that are in service after repair and / or modernization, the picture will not change.
                The 971st is a good project, and as a hunter for their SSBNs or escorting our SSBNs it would be better not to think of them, but their number in combat readiness is depressing.
  3. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 13 February 2021 16: 07
    +4
    do not swim for "buoys"! .... and you will live in peace yes
  4. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 13 February 2021 16: 10
    -1
    If not for Russia, the world would have long been an American dictatorship.
    1. aars
      aars 13 February 2021 16: 58
      0
      She is almost there, dollar ...
  5. businessv
    businessv 13 February 2021 16: 15
    +3
    Russia lags far behind the United States in anti-submarine warfare, surface ships, transport aircraft and automated control systems
    Unfortunately it's true! For too much time we have fed and still feed the minke whales and their hangers-on, our people at a loss, but the state budget thief and oligarch in profit!
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 13 February 2021 16: 16
    +1
    Let's measure who and how many times can counter the enemy!
  7. bar
    bar 13 February 2021 16: 34
    +2
    Russia lacks the capacity to build up its forces and project its power on a global scale.

    Does Russia really need it? I think Russia has enough of its own scale to build up its forces, so long as all sorts of striped ones with their wet global fantasies do not climb.
  8. pexotinec
    pexotinec 13 February 2021 16: 37
    +5
    This is already paranoia. For them, the whole world is already a problem and a threat.
  9. A_Lex
    A_Lex 13 February 2021 16: 48
    +4
    The author of the article emphasizes that Russia has significantly reduced the construction time for modern nuclear submarines, introducing new innovative methods and building more advanced and powerful submarines than it was in the 90s and 2000s.


    American colleagues regularly support the myth about the "terrible 90s" of a partner, from which tens of billions of dollars flow to them annually. Aboriginal mythology is traditionally a profitable business.

    It is known about the huge terms from the moment of laying to the entry into the fleet of boats of projects 885/955. And now it can be compared to how it was built in the "nightmare 90s".

    Samara. Laid down in 1993. Introduced into the fleet in 1995.
    Kuzbass. Laid down in 1991. Introduced into the fleet in 1992.
    "Tomsk". Laid down in 1991. Introduced into the fleet in 1996.
    "Vepr". Laid down in 1990. Introduced into the fleet in 1995.
    Kursk. Laid down in 1990. Introduced into the fleet in 1995.
    "Magadan". Zelozhena in 1989. Introduced into the fleet in 1990.

    Among the Russian nuclear submarines, which pose a real threat to the American fleet and NATO allies, the publication notes the submarines of project 885 (Ash and Yasen-M), armed with cruise missiles "Caliber", 955 (Borey and Borey-A) with ICBMs "Bulava", as well as secret carriers of nuclear torpedoes "Poseidon" nuclear submarines "Khabarovsk" and "Belgorod".


    1 standard boat of Project 885 poses a real threat? Poseidon torpedo carriers pose a real threat even though they have not even entered service yet? Uncle is clearly joking.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 13 February 2021 17: 12
      +6
      Quote: A_Lex
      It is known about the huge terms from the moment of laying to the entry into the fleet of boats of projects 885/955. And now it can be compared to how it was built in the "nightmare 90s".


      90s - great merit of DG Pashaev. He, in fact, saved Sevmash. Human being.
      Here they are, the mighty shipyards (photo from open sources).
    2. rudolff
      rudolff 13 February 2021 17: 44
      +6
      Yes, as much as the fleet received nuclear submarines in the 90s and not nearly in two decades of the 2000s, and those that were commissioned / built in the new millennium for the most part were laid down again in the 90s. And with diesel-electric submarines, not everything is so simple. Production actually did not stop, Halibuts / Varshavyanki went under export contracts.
      In the 2000s, they could not even finish building everything, which was started in the 90s. Vaughn, on the Amur, still occupies the 971st slip with 60% readiness.
      1. mvg
        mvg 14 February 2021 01: 40
        +3
        how many nuclear submarines received in the 90s and not nearly in two decades of the 2000s

        But NK died as a class of ships. Not a single first-ranked ship. I would also like to note that the US Navy Ohio Class was built from 81 to 97, and is still the best in the world. But 667 and 941 are either resting or preparing to rest.
        Yes, and diesel-electric submarines 877 and 636.6 are no longer needed by anyone, even Algeria. What is the point in them?
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 14 February 2021 11: 19
          +2
          Well ... BDRM today is the basis of our naval strategic nuclear forces. Actually, they are the ones who run on the BS. Yes, and at the Pacific Fleet, one BDR Ryazan until recently conducted all the firing and dragged the entire service, while two new Boreas were polishing the quay wall, occasionally depicting a BD. 667BDR / BDRM may not be the pinnacle of technical thought, but nevertheless they are quite solid workhorses. And with the R-29 RMU2 ... The rocket is a real masterpiece.
          941 we ourselves killed, as we killed Bark. Could still drag the service. If not with Bark, then with Sineva.
          We simply don't have a replacement for Varshavyanka. We were unable to make a new one. Unfortunately, these Varshavyankas, in addition to Caliber, are otherwise modernized in a homeless version.
          1. mvg
            mvg 14 February 2021 18: 21
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            And with the R-29 RMU2 ... The rocket is a real masterpiece.
            941 we ourselves killed, as we killed Bark. Could still drag the service. If not with Bark, then with Sineva.

            In general, they themselves answered my opponent. 667BDR Ryazan retreated. 667BDRM Squid until 25-27 will serve, it is unlikely that they will be extended any longer. 955 / 955A are not yet ready for the role of workhorses. Therefore, the situation with SSBNs is just seams.
            941 was not done out of a good life, the P-39 just did not fit. Therefore, we received 48000+ tons.
            I carried half of the displacement for free.
            The future belongs to solid-propellant rockets, so Sineva / Liner / Bark were not suitable.
            PS: Well, for Varshavyanka ... everything is as usual with us ... no one is showing any initiative. It works - don't touch it, the best is the enemy of the good. Therefore, the Mi-8 has been flying since the 60s, and the Tu-95 hit half a dozen for a long time, and the T-72 was outdated by the 90s, etc. There were not and there are no proactive developments.
            PS: Here the Germans with their super-successful pr 209 did not rest on their laurels, 212/214 / Dolphin appeared .. These diesels are buying the whole world.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 14 February 2021 19: 41
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              Yes, 941 ships were made for a rocket. Nevertheless, it turned out very well, despite the size. It's a sin not to use it further. For swimming under ice, this project has no competitors at all.
              What missiles the future belongs to is a somewhat controversial issue. The mace is not even close to Sineva. By the way, Bark is solid fuel, not liquid.
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 15 February 2021 10: 02
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      Now rumors are circulating that they may return to the idea of ​​recycling the return of the goldfish project. How realistic is this development of events?
  10. Tank hard
    Tank hard 13 February 2021 20: 02
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    It is noted that in a number of areas the Russian fleet is ahead of Western rivals, but despite this, Russia lacks the capacity to build up forces and project its power on a global scale.

    Nothing, if God willing and we live, everything will be. hi
  11. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 13 February 2021 22: 20
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    This site writes out "warnings" very well. In the previous news, Hamsky answered my comment. I naturally put the boor in his place (no profanity). In general, I am a cultured and educated person! Bottom line: I was given another warning, but this boor - nothing! The site has an incomprehensible policy - "a step to the right - a step to the left Shooting)! Once I spoke out against India! I was generally blocked for this !!! But sweat I watched a lot of Articles and comments confirming my thoughts !!! !!! You - who? And whose interests do you serve? You can delete my Account - I don’t care! But now, I will talk about you everywhere .... and make you - Anti-advertising ..... Good luck in eliminating loyal visitors and readers !!!
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 14 February 2021 10: 30
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      It's time to get used to censorship. In Russia, they don't like independent opinion.
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  13. sgr291158
    sgr291158 14 February 2021 06: 19
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    Russia is a problem for you. If not for us, oh, how would you turn around.
  14. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 14 February 2021 06: 39
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    "The author of the article emphasizes that Russia has significantly reduced the construction time for modern nuclear submarines."

    This is probably a joke about the timing. Kazan is an example of this.
  15. NF68
    NF68 14 February 2021 17: 07
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    Don't forget about China, star-striped ones too. The Chinese also do not sleep and do not even doze.
  16. yehat2
    yehat2 15 February 2021 09: 57
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    Quote: Finches
    Today we have 70

    much less combat-ready, plus some on vacation
    in the end, 70 shrinks well if up to 8 at sea.
  17. shonsu
    shonsu 15 February 2021 14: 56
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    Russia lags far behind the United States in anti-submarine warfare, surface ships, transport aircraft and automated control systems

    The United States is still trying to cheer us up for an arms race, but do we need it? This is what I like about Putin's policy, its pragmatism, the principle of reasonable sufficiency. We do not need to defeat the whole world, as the states want, it is enough to decapitate the hostile forces, to defend ourselves.
  18. Miyamoto musasi
    Miyamoto musasi 15 February 2021 22: 22
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    Quote: bar
    Russia lacks the capacity to build up its forces and project its power on a global scale.

    Does Russia really need it? I think Russia has enough of its own scale to build up its forces, so long as all sorts of striped ones with their wet global fantasies do not climb.

    It is necessary !!! for the sooner and further the enemy is discovered, the earlier he will be destroyed.