In Kiev, the impossibility of the implementation of the Minsk agreements was recognized

Kiev recognized the impossibility of fulfilling the Minsk agreements in their current form. This was stated by the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Andriy Yermak.

In an interview with the Ukraine TV channel, Yermak said that Kiev is making and will make every possible effort to fulfill the principles laid down in the Minsk agreements, but in the edition in which they were signed, it is practically impossible to fulfill them.

At the same time, he said that Ukraine is receiving more and more support from German and French partners in the Normandy format.

The Ukrainian side managed to radically change the representation in the Minsk process and raise the level of unconditional support from our European partners, Germany and France

- he added.

According to him, the involvement of the United States in the negotiation process can move the negotiations on the Donbass. Yermak stressed that the United States is a strategic partner of Ukraine and therefore must play a key role in resolving the situation in Donbas.

It should be noted that lately Kiev politicians are increasingly declaring the impossibility of fulfilling the Minsk agreements and suggesting that the United States and Poland be involved in the negotiations. With the help of the American, first of all, pressure in Kiev, they hope to change the provisions of the agreements or completely withdraw from them, blaming Russia for the conflict in Donbas.

Comments

[Alien From]

In vain are these guys hoping for others ..... forgot the saying ......)

[Insurgent]

In Kiev, the impossibility of the implementation of the Minsk agreements was recognized

And we should admit to unwillingness their execution.

[Alien From]

These are more likely to burn a neighbor's hut than to admit ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alien From

These are more likely to burn a neighbor's hut than to admit ...

So they have been burning us for almost seven years.

[Alien From]

Even rather, much more ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Alien From

Even rather, much more ...

In the sense of ? The report of the war has been going on since the end of April, after Easter 2014, from the first victims at the hands of the Pravosek, at the checkpoint near Slavyansk ...

[Alien From]

This is of course so) I'm talking about the general Russophobia of the brothers ...

[Terenin]

Quote: Alien From

This is of course so) I'm talking about the general Russophobia of the brothers ...

Only in the interval between jumping, zigoving and Russophobia do they go to work in Russia, sign profitable business contracts with our merchants ... They receive electricity, gas, fuels and lubricants ... In general, from such a satisfying life, why shouldn't they be Russophobic bragging about it to the Anglo-Saxons

[Alien From]

It's just about the dragonfly that sang summer, I didn't have time to look back ... the west just doesn't do anything like that.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alien From

It's just about the dragonfly that sang summer, I didn't have time to look back ... the west just doesn't do anything like that.

Yes, bribing and buying the elite, the West controls the foreign and domestic policies of these states with an unceremonious suppression of any dissent (House of Trade Unions Odessa, unsolved murders of politicians, writers ...)

[Vladimir Mashkov]

The current ukrovlast "cannot" fulfill the Minsk agreements for a simple reason: the Americans and Bandera do not allow them. And they themselves would easily sell themselves to the one who pays the most and fulfills the Minsk agreements quickly with a whistle. But the Americans and the West do not allow, they demand to constantly tease Russia!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

The current ukrovlast "cannot" fulfill the Minsk agreements for a simple reason: the Americans and Bandera do not allow.

Seven years of the Bandera coup (!!!), and you still (?!?!?) did not understand, did not realize that - the power based on the Bandera nationalists is itself a Bandera ???????????

Deafly, in Kharkov, the late Kernes was brainwashed, the earth is glassy ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Insurgent

Seven years of the Bandera coup (!!!), and you still (?!?!?) Did not understand, did not realize that - the power based on the Bandera nationalists is itself a Bandera ?????????? ?

Deafly, in Kharkov, the late Kernes was brainwashed, the earth is glassy ...

You do not understand the simple truth: Zelensky and his gang NOT convinced Nazis-Bandera. They have no no beliefs. Ideally, they are nobody, complete zero. They are unprincipled hucksters, corrupt chameleons, opportunists, adhered to any power... Today they have attached themselves to the Americans and are "friends" with the Banderaites. To stay at the top of the dirty waves themselves exhibit complete banderism of the brain. Like Kravchuk, who was a Bandera, a "communist" and again a Bandera. But he is still a Bandera. And they are nobody!

[210ox]

By the way, these migrant workers quite successfully acquired a Russian passport. Isn't it time to eliminate dual citizenship?

[Terenin]

Quote: 210ox

By the way, these migrant workers quite successfully acquired a Russian passport. Isn't it time to eliminate dual citizenship?

Of course they think that they have deceived everyone again. It is high time to liquidate dual citizenship.

[Looking for]

and in whose back do you think they will shoot in the event of a serious conflict?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alien From

This is of course so) I'm talking about the general Russophobia of the brothers ...

If Russophobia, then what kind of brothers they are.

[Alien From]

Former brothers, unfortunately.

[VORON538]

These are "brothers"
And yes, I will repeat it here: for foreigners who want to work in Russia, you need to introduce a certain qualification. Opened your mouth about the territorial integrity of Russia or indulge the lovers of coups - a suitcase in hand and home without the right to enter Russia for years. .. TWENTY! This is with regards to plasterers, and all sorts of singers of actresses!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: VORON538

I repeat: for foreigners wishing to work in Russia, you need ...

- John, why is your face broken?
- Yes, I drank with the Russians yesterday. They are about cars and I am about cars; they are about work and I about work; they are about women and I about women; they find fault with their country and I - they stuffed my face ...

[Terenin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Alien From

This is of course so) I'm talking about the general Russophobia of the brothers ...

If Russophobia, then what kind of brothers they are.

That's about Mazepa. Compare that has changed?

"T.var Golitsyn, bribe of Shafirov and Golovkin, hypocrite before Peter, hypocrite before God, corrupter of innocence, envious of Paley, destroyer of Samuylovich, murderer of Iskra and Kochubei ...., Traitor of Ukraine and a liar before the fatherland." (M. Markevich, "History of Malorosiya", 1842-1843, p. 509)

It is for this reason that the same Mazepa was not just a traitor to Peter the Great and Russia as a state. He was a traitor to the Orthodox faith, an oath-breaker. The church "did not notice" either the pedophilia of the old man who had lost his mind, or his own betrayal (the surrender of Little Russian lands to the Swedes). He was anathematized precisely for the crime of the cross. So anyone who glorifies Mazepa today is not Orthodox.

[Alien From]

There is nothing good left at all, the non-brothers have already erased their knees, just to whine at their neighbor!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

If Russophobia, then what kind of brothers they are.

Brothers don't do that

[Cat]

So they burn us

Do you want to fulfill the Minsk agreements? That is, back to / on, at least on the basis of autonomy? I suspect not.

[fruc]

Will the US want to get into Kuevo shit? It is easier for them to whip and jerk kuev at a distance.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

And we should admit the unwillingness to fulfill them.

And admit that the owner does not allow

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

And admit that the owner does not allow

Here in mutual reluctance , their interests and their owners' interests coincide, so that no prohibitions, at least in this, are needed.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

, their interests and their owners' interests coincide,

So they have passed their Wishlist and Wishlist to the State Department for a long time
Now there they are disposed of on their behalf

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

So they have passed their Wishlist and Wishlist to the State Department for a long time
Now there they are disposed of on their behalf

Do you have any idea what Outskirts Svidomism and their terry nationalism are?
So that in practice, "with knowledge of the matter", to imagine that in their obstinacy no prodding and prohibitions are generally needed.

Just encouragement / approval and ... funding is enough.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Do you have any idea what Outskirts Svidomism and their terry nationalism are?

Well, not 100%, but 80 percent, not that I imagine, I see it on the net.
This is certainly not what in real life, but it gives an idea.
It is impossible to communicate with them for more than 5 minutes
Such stupidity, obstinacy, terry Russophobia, it is impossible to withstand and not fall on the mat.
Opposite my house, where I moved from 4 years ago, there are 2 hostels with gastorbaters from the outskirts.
80 percent are normal guys. After work they come to our yard, play cards, dominoes, drink with us.
They asked how where the others were. They said that they were Banderlog, sitting around the rooms and pouring mud on everything that they could see.
They are afraid to go out, rightly believing that they will immediately receive a pumpkin

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Well, not 100%, but 80 percent, not that I imagine, I see it on the net.

So imagine that in the Outskirts the ratio is practically the same, only 80% of those who freely express their thoughts there are disorganized, scattered and cornered, with the remaining 20 percent of Svidomites, who have weapons, and behind whom a pseudo-state .. ...
So I repeat - you are mistaken about the fact that Bandeva does not perform "Minsk" only under the ban from overseas.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

disorganized, scattered and cornered there,

But it seems like a ray flashed

The Kiev District Administrative Court has overturned the City Council's decision to rename Moskovsky Prospekt into Prospect named after Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera. The corresponding document was published in the Unified State Register of Court Decisions of Ukraine.

Totally here
https://nahnews.org/1021474-prospektu-bandery-v-kieve-vernuli-prezhnee-nazvanie?utm_source=politobzor.net

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

But it seems like a ray flashed

Yo ... my ... "A ray flashed" ... A-y-yay ... How little you need to "believe" ...

Not for the first time I am convinced that a lack of understanding of the essence of the processes on the outskirts obscures the mind ...

Is it difficult to understand, if only proceeding from elementary logic, that this is not an awareness of an error, but stupidly forced step ukrohunty, because of the discontent of some forces in the European Union, on which, among other things, lending depends? ? ?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

How little you need to "believe" ...

So I don't really believe, but in the internet, for example, they write that in Kharkov they are not going to switch to MOV despite the repressions.
Don't think I'm so naive.
I perfectly understand what the Banderlog junta is capable of

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

but in the internet, for example, they write that in Kharkov, for example, they are not going to switch to MOV despite the repression

They also write something on the fences , but look - in fact, there is firewood.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

But I believe about Harkovchan
Literally 5 minutes ago I saw on the net

You would delete ... After all, they will banned ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: Lipchanin

But I believe about Harkovchan
Literally 5 minutes ago I saw on the net

You would delete ... After all, they will banned ...

Deleted, posted the tweaked, below

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

They also write something on the fences

I believe in Kharkiv residents
Literally 10 minutes ago I saw on the network
I had to tweak it a bit

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

I had to tweak it a bit

Read ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Read ...

Let be. Not a direct mate
I sometimes slipped
More bans, less bans.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Lipchanin

Let be. Not a direct mate
I sometimes slipped
More bans, less bans.

Master's business

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Insurgent

Master's business

Aha

[boris epstein]

100% agree!
There is also such a thing as the fear of losing a job, and those who receive more than 10 on their hands look down and do not understand, and do not want to understand the poorer.
About protests. Those who receive subsidies will not protest. Those who owe a lot for housing and communal services will not go either. Those who work and receive at least a little, but on time, will not go to protests. Those who receive 10 or more will not go either.
People were stratified into classes and groups and pitted against each other. Now each group tears itself at the expense of the rest, not understanding the laws of economics. After inflating housing and communal services, they increase the number of defaulters and at the same time increase prices for food and non-food products. Increase in tariffs for housing and communal services is an endless spiral, which is beneficial only to those in power and oligarchs. But before that you need to grow up first.

[Michael67]

The Kiev junta must admit that since 1991 they have sold their constitution, their people and their territory to Western conglomerates. There is nothing more to say.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Alien From

In vain are these guys hoping for others ..... forgot the saying ......)

It is especially strange to rely on Poland and the United States in its current form.

... The ex-head of the Investigative Directorate of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Vasily Vovk, who holds the rank of general, with all responsibility predicts Ukraine's "compression" to the size of the once existing Kiev-Chernigov principality.

According to the SBU officer invited as an expert, Ukraine will be divided and, as a result, reduced to the above-mentioned limited size, if the law on the so-called “special status of Donbass” is adopted. He insists that Kiev should by no means agree to the federal status of the rebellious region, thereby exposing the country to mortal danger.

Otherwise, similar processes will obviously take place in Western Ukraine.

General Vovk talks openly, describing what will happen if, in response to the demand of Donbass for federalization or granting a special status to one of the regions, such an initiative is put into effect:

There will be a federation of Bukovina, Transcarpathia, and so on. I am not a “sofa expert” for you, and my forecast is based on analysis, and even more so I know exactly what the neighbors along the border perimeter, the same Poland and Romania, are claiming. Just give me some slack!
- the expert says.

Considering the ethnic characteristics of Western Ukraine, the policy of Warsaw and Bucharest to issue “Pole cards” and Romanian citizenship to everyone who claims to be either Poles or Romanians, and if you also recall Hungary’s ambitions about the “pie” from Ukraine, then Vovk’s words do not look like that really fantastic. Rather, on the contrary, this is the immediate future of Ukraine, which will be realized with the slightest political shift both within the republic and in its immediate environment. The country will be torn apart, and the Russian Federation will definitely not be in the forefront.

https://politobzor.net/228880-ja-znaju-na-chto-pretendujut-polsha-i-rumynija-general-sbu-rasskazal-o-buduschem-razmere-ukrainy.html

[Alien From]

That's right, friends of birches are in the forefront of the petitioners ... and who's behind whom in the queue is not interesting ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alien From

It is especially strange to rely on Poland and the United States in its current form.

Having contacted the Poles, the outskirts will quickly lose the territories annexed in 1940.

[Alien From]

They have long lost / sold their opinion, the West is already playing among themselves for material things.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: OrangeBigg

... The ex-head of the Investigative Directorate of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU), Vasily Vovk, who holds the rank of general, with all responsibility predicts Ukraine's "compression" to the size of the once existing Kiev-Chernigov principality.

History lesson for Vasily Vovk ...
Starting from 1024 (except for a short period of 1036-94) the Chernigov principality was not stale in relation to Kiev. Before the arrival of Lithuania independent.

Map of Russia 12th century.

[grindz]

And in the 17th century, Chernigov and Kharkov were purely Russian cities. Kharkov, in general, was built by the Russian tsars.

[Finches]

They can’t do anything without Western "partners", and they don’t dare to go without the approval of the overseas strategic, even out of little need! The Ukrainians present at the VO, you should be ashamed (if not all, but some) that in 30 years after the collapse of the USSR, the industrial republic producing the largest aircraft in the world, aircraft-carrying cruisers, spacecraft, strategic launch vehicles ... to the second France, and to the miserable American bedding that is almost a public holiday on the occasion of receiving used rubber boats as a gift ... If not ashamed, then isn't it funny? What are the Minsk agreements, I beg you, they are not completely independent in their decisions - these are not even sixes, they are wordless slime!

[Snail N9]

Hmm. Already from the beginning of last year, it has been written that Kiev recognizes that the “Minsk agreements” cannot be fulfilled. ”Next,“ What? ”Continue to wait until everything“ resolves itself ”?

[Alien From]

You are categorical, but right!

[aars]

According to him, the involvement of the United States in the negotiation process can move the negotiations on the Donbass.

Is this possible without the consent of Russia ?!
I guess not, so fuck you all over your face!

[Idunavs]

Quote: aars
According to him, the involvement of the United States in the negotiation process can move the negotiations on the Donbass.
Is this possible without the consent of Russia ?!
I guess not, so fuck you all over your face!

Yes, here and the Americans themselves will not meddle in negotiations, they are satisfied with the role of "invisible" puppeteer. Right now, they are not the lot of "clean" ones, and they have Ukraine for dirty deeds against Russia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Idunawa

According to him, the involvement of the United States in the negotiation process can move the negotiations on the Donbass.

If it hasn't been moved in seven years, then with the involvement of Poland and even more so the United States, this "carriage" will never budge.

[Alexey Sommer]

We ourselves have created a simulation on our western borders called Ukraine.
Populated by people speaking Russian and in fact being Russian, but with brainwashed media.
The only chance to preserve independence for Ukraine is to be "anti-Russia".
Otherwise, the question arises why one people needs two states?
Those. the hostility of Ukraine is at the genetic level of the state.
Therefore, Ukraine, as a state, must be destroyed for the security of Russia.
In order to preserve Russia as a state, it is our national duty to return reason to the "Ukrainians".

[Rubi0]

So this is all migration policy that has failed completely. Where is the analogue of the Pole's card that is handed out to Belarusians and Ukrainians, where are the training programs for young people, I am already silent about the citizenship that Hungary issues with a certificate that your relatives were Hungarians. Yes, since 2014 there have been improvements and began to remove the senile bureaucracy, but still, it is easier to win a Green Card in the USA than to get a temporary residence permit in the Russian Federation, I'm not talking about a residence permit, one exam in the Russian language costs 6000 rubles.

[Terenin]

Quote: Rubi0

So this is all migration policy that has failed completely. Where is the analogue of the Pole's card that is handed out to Belarusians and Ukrainians, where are the training programs for young people, I am already silent about the citizenship that Hungary issues with a certificate that your relatives were Hungarians. Yes, since 2014 there have been improvements and began to remove the senile bureaucracy, but still, it is easier to win a Green Card in the USA than to get a temporary residence permit in the Russian Federation, I'm not talking about a residence permit, one exam in the Russian language costs 6000 rubles.

And, to saturate Russia with millions of citizens of Central Asia, and create closed national diasporas living their own lives, and create national tension in Russia ... this, in my opinion, is a crime.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Terenin

And, to saturate Russia with millions of citizens of Central Asia

These millions are the consequences of our invasion of Central Asia, and not vice versa.
Therefore, they do not blame the mirror.
And yes
It is a crime to throw out the people whom we introduced to the Russian world.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

It is a crime to throw out the people whom we introduced to the Russian world.

How does this relate to migration policy?

Quote: Alexey Sommer

These millions are the consequences of our invasion of Central Asia, and not vice versa.

And how many of us are there now, after the "invasion" are left?

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Therefore, they do not blame the mirror.

And in the toilet it is generally better not to hang a mirror ...

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Terenin

And in the toilet it is generally better not to hang a mirror ...

Do you understand what you write?
I'll tell you again.
We were the first to come to this "toilet".
And when WE opened this door they came here, not the other way around.
And it's enough to blame the Uzbeks for agreeing to work at a construction site in the rain and frost for 60 mp, and you want to sit here and do nothing useful.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Do you understand what you write?

What is the question

Quote: Alexey Sommer

do not blame the mirror.

this is the answer

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

And stop blaming the Uzbeks for agreeing to work at a construction site in the rain and frost for 60 tr.

That's right, qualified builders do not work in rain and frost.

Quote: Alexey Sommer

and you want to sit here and not do anything useful.

If you have a good offer I can and get up

[ANB]

... agree to work at a construction site in rain and frost for 60 tr,

Are they getting paid 60 already? I thought less.
But I will not go to a construction site over 60.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: aars

Just don't need tales about "national tension"!
He is not here!

Are you talking to me?
Where did you read about national tension in my messages ?:

[aars]

Oh, I missed, I wanted higher ...
I'm sorry.
PS: it is no longer deleted ...

[Terenin]

Quote: aars

so Moscow is not Russia, but a rotten sump of various officials and their servants.

And, yourself, then you consider yourself to be exceptional. It's familiar.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Therefore, Ukraine, as a state, must be destroyed for the security of Russia.

Now there will be opuses that there are many normal citizens, but they are afraid of Bandera.
At the same time, they are not afraid to support the Banderaites and turn into them.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The Ukrainians don't need to return anything. Moreover, "reason". They will sell it. And it is necessary to destroy the life of Ukraine. Otherwise, it is impossible.

[Sergej1972]

Alexey, in my opinion you are slowing down. Don't be offended. Re-read the correspondence with your interlocutor again. There is nothing positive in his understanding of the "European".

[Sergej1972]

In my opinion, Ukrainians are not so strongly attached to their place of residence as Russians, and it is much easier to change it if there is an opportunity to earn money.

[Ros 56]

Now they will be sanctioned for non-compliance and Donbass has a free hand.

[Terenin]

Quote: Ros 56

Now they will be sanctioned for non-compliance and Donbass has a free hand.

Russia introduced on February 11 this year, additional sanctions against some kind of LLC in Ukraine. But this is not enough to sober up.

[Ros 56]

There will be no sobering up, we cannot even go there. These creatures will be ours from around the corner or surreptitiously at night cut like after the Second World War. They and the Tribals had these forest brothers running until the mid-fifties.
There, in their heads, under the pans, only a TV set blames us for all our sins. And you can explain something to an adult, but there are already generations of juvenile murderers being raised. We must give them the opportunity to build their own camps, which they are preparing for the Russian-speaking and Donbass and to drive them there themselves, and then through a fine sieve slowly over the years through denazification. Otherwise, the Russian people will lose more than one thousand. It seems to me that the current Bandera members are worse than the fascist Germany of the last century.

[Terenin]

Quote: Ros 56

It seems to me that the current Bandera members are worse than the fascist Germany of the last century.

Many Germans were shocked by their atrocities even then. These are non-humans!

[Ros 56]

Yes, you are right, I saw something.

[Ros 56]

Yeah, and on the 13th they sharply increased the purchase of Russian electricity. And here is the title of a new article - Russia is increasing the supply of electricity to Ukraine.

[Terenin]

Quote: Ros 56

Yeah, and on the 13th they sharply increased the purchase of Russian electricity. And here is the title of a new article - Russia is increasing the supply of electricity to Ukraine.

Yuri, who doubts the presence of traitors in our pro-government structures, in the form of: profit fans, financing of Echo of Moscow, anti-Russian cinema ..., sabotaging sanctions against Ukraine, the dominance of pro-Western liberals in universities, ...
If they do not want the death of the state, then the purge should start with the authorities.

[Ros 56]

This decision lies on the surface, but we, as always, will begin to act according to the proverb - make the fool pray to God, and the obliging one is more dangerous than the enemy, and plus everything, they will begin to confuse their own wool with the state. And then all this will be justified by the saying - the forest is being cut, the chips are flying. As a result, we have - Stalin-Putin is to blame, but whoever voluntarily admits to writing millions of denunciations. So you have to think about how to build a bridge - along the river or across.

[Terenin]

Quote: Ros 56

As a result, we have - Stalin-Putin is to blame,

For example, in my family, from my grandfather and already my grandchildren, no one said or says that Stalin was to blame.

Quote: Ros 56

So you have to think about how to build a bridge - along the river or across.

The case is clear. But the issue of Donbass will still have to be resolved.

[From Tomsk]

He went to Odessa, and went to Kherson - the fate of the Ukrainian official is hard and indistinct, endless jogging between streams of rain compels them to drive a blizzard every now and then in the hope that at least someone will ever believe them.

[Sergey39]

They don't want to do it, but they can't cancel it either.

[dedusik]

So the abolition of death for them is similar.

[Sergey39]

And you cannot drag on with the implementation indefinitely.

[carstorm 11]

What a news. And we didn’t know, and so we hoped for kuev. Original guys

[rocket757]

There is nothing to discuss, different wishes may appear in the pan, but ... who will serve them?

[zenion]

Now Kiev receives support from Germany, and previously received support, only Galychchyna from the EU on behalf of Hitler.

[Vlad5307]

The guys from the Outskirts still hope that the master will call them "beloved wife" and fill them with expensive gifts. But in fact, he still gives rubber products and rusty boats. The Kuevo ministers just want Novorossiya to revive again and return to Mother Russia. Well, well, they will wait.

[Andrea]

What is so impracticable in the Minsk agreements?
Unable to withdraw troops?
AND...! It is impossible to destroy the unwanted! There is an amnesty! And this is not in our way, not in the Ukrainian way. In our way, these are concentration camps, and even better, burn them down, like in Odessa!

[nnm]

Kiev recognized the impossibility of implementing the Minsk Agreements in their current form.

Why broadcast this verbal balancing act ?! They admitted not the impossibility, but the RELEASE. And the West will continue to demand execution of Minsk from Russia. And Kiev can get away with it.

[businessv]

Quote: nnm

And the West will continue to demand execution of Minsk from Russia. And Kiev can get away with it.

Yes, colleague, it will be so as long as we swallow it. We express our concern, we deny the existence of republics, etc. At all times of international politics, only strength was taken into account. The sooner we stop reacting to the barking of the mongrels and outline the course that we will finally go, the faster everything will calm down. While our liberals are marking time wondering how they can sit on two chairs, everything will remain as always - Russia is to blame for everything!

[boris epstein]

Why has Russia resumed direct gas supplies to / to Ukraine? After all, the rulers of Ukraine are driving it through the Slovak bridge and selling it to the population as European gas with a surcharge. That is, Russia did not help the ordinary people of Ukraine, but helped the oligarchs to fill the purse tighter. Why did she turn on the switches for electricity? Why does it supply coal for Ukrainian thermal power plants through the laying companies? Russia will not wait for gratitude from Ukraine. On the contrary, Ukraine regards these actions of Russia as the weakness of Russia and its own paramoge.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Why has Russia resumed direct gas supplies to / to Ukraine?

The concern was not about the square, but about the observance of the contract for the supply of gas to Europe! The estimated launch time of the SP-2 moved to the right by more than a year, so there were no delivery options except through the old route.

[boris epstein]

Direct gas supplies to Ukraine have nothing to do with gas transit to Europe. These are two different things.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Direct gas supplies to Ukraine have nothing to do with gas transit to Europe. These are two different things.

True?! And I didn’t know that gas for Europe and for the Square goes through different pipes! Thank you very much for the information!!! I'll tell the peasants, they will be delighted! And then they are very worried that Ukraine buys gas from Europe - very expensive! And that's how it really is - Europe separately, Ukraine - separately! Two pipes, it turns out! Thank you very much for enlightening me!

[boris epstein]

There is no need to make jokes. It goes through the same pipes, it seems, but look on the sites "Gas Transportation System of Ukraine". I have this card. So there is not one pipe, but four parallel pipes in the main line. The total capacity is up to 200 billion cubic meters. And now less than 40 billion is being supplied. This time. And second, gas for Ukraine is supplied OVER the volume of supplies to Europe.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

So there is not one pipe, but four parallel pipes in the main line. The total capacity is up to 200 billion cubic meters.

Only a lazy person has not read this information, colleague! Hence the sarcasm, for which sorry! Gas pipeline Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod. Throughput capacity - 32 billion m³ of natural gas per year (design). The actual throughput is 28 billion m³ per year. [1] The pipeline diameter is 1420 mm. There are also several gas pipelines, for more details here: http://www.gazpromexport.ru/projects/transportation/ the total capacity is over 100 billion cubic meters. ... The fact is that Square has agreed with the EU countries on ordering gas volumes for its own needs due to the fact that it has refused direct purchases of gas from Russia! Therefore, the gas is taken as usual - from the GTS, but it is presented as a purchase from Europe. Gas is not reserved for Ukraine, this reserve is "bought" by the EU.

[boris epstein]

Colleague, you've read it but don't know half of everything.
So, an educational program for stubborn people.
Four lines: Orenburg-Western border of the USSR
Saving-Uzhgorod
Sudzha-Uzhgorod.
Valley Uzhgorod
Komarno (Belgorod region) -Drozdovichi
Now to the South.
Uzhgorod-Beregovo
Khust-Satu Mare
Ananiev-Tiraspol-Izmail (Orlovka)
Shebelinka-Kryvyi Rih-Izmail (Orlovka)
Yelets-Kremenchuk-Kryvyi Rih
Yelets-Kursk-Dikanka (Sudzha)
Ostrogozhsk-Shebelinka (Valuyki)
Urengoy-Novopskov (Piskarevka)
Orenburg-Novopskov (Save)
So how many branches and how many pipes were there?
Let's go further
"Therefore, the gas is taken as usual - from the GTS, but it is presented as a purchase from Europe."
A 75 km jumper has been laid across the territory of Slovakia, which connects one of the four parallel pipes with another parallel one. This is how the "reverse" is obtained.
No sampling of gas from transit purchased by the EU is possible. For a simple reason. When Ukraine really did this in the 90s, meters were installed at the entry points of pipelines to Ukraine from Russia and at the points of gas exit from the territory of Ukraine, and at these points, together with representatives of Gazprom, representatives of the EU end consumer began to be present.
Before that, there really were massive incisions and even explosions of transit pipes (near Chernigov, near Sumy and near Poltava).
But then in an interview with Der Spiegel, the then President of Ukraine, LD Kuchma, blurted out. When asked by a journalist about the theft of gas from transit, he replied: "Russia is pumping 120 billion cubic meters through us. We are unauthorized taking 20 billion."
Moreover, the theft continued after the installation of the meters until Russia began to punish for it. For the first time, it took strategic bombers Tu-160 (6 vehicles) and Tu-22 (3 vehicles). The second time, nuclear warheads. The third time, the debt for the stolen went to pay for the lease of Sevastopol until 2018. For the fourth time, Ukraine refused to compensate for the stolen goods.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Before that, there really were massive incisions and even explosions of transit pipes (near Chernigov, near Sumy and near Poltava).

Colleague, you, apparently, do not quite understand the purpose of the network of gas pipelines existing in the square and their arrangement, since you are writing such, to put it mildly, heresy in terms of "tie-ins", and even more so, "massive" ones. I sent you a link not in order to list the number of pipes, but in order for you to familiarize yourself a little with the gas transportation system of the USSR, created in the Ukrainian SSR. This system does not need "tie-ins" for the selection of gas at any point because it was created not only to transport gas to Europe, but also to provide gas to all its consumers throughout the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. For guaranteed continuous supply of foreign consumers, underground gas storage facilities were created on the western borders of the Union (in western Ukraine), which are an accumulative buffer, which still exist today. Fairy tales about "jumpers" in Slovakia for reverse gas supply to present-day Ukraine, created for domestic consumption in an independent country, should not be told on an adult resource. I think we should not continue the polemic further, due to the lack of meaning in further discussion of the current state of affairs, which you do not quite understand correctly due to the incorrect perception of information.

[boris epstein]

With your minus, you put an end to yourself as a really informed interlocutor. By and large, I don't give a damn about the minuses and the pluses. Refuting the really existing information about the sidebars, you signed that you are not A Privalov, but A Privalenko or A Privalchuk. You have absolutely no information. You are a Ukrainian liar and a provocateur, because the tie-ins were carried out not to provide for the regions, but to steal individual oligarchs.
Well, it's impossible to prove anything to velikoukru. He will speak white in black and vice versa. Until your stupidity with a minus, I did not touch you.
Goodbye, baby!

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

With your minus, you put an end to yourself as a really informed interlocutor.

You are funny! In polemics, I do not put downsides, but this does not change your preconceived opinion about things that you do not understand at all and about which you only know from gossip! Inserts are made by petty thieves, which I, unlike you, do not even consider it necessary to mention! Oligarchs, if necessary, simply redirect cash flows, but this phrase will not tell you anything, of course! It became vulgar and unprofessional to get personal. There are no arguments - just do not answer, especially since you are unable to say anything new to me by definition!

[boris epstein]

And besides you, no one needed my comments. Until yesterday, when you ran out of arguments, there were none. So frankly it is not necessary to lie. About personalities. You started the transition to them, and now, as a true velikoukr, say: "And what about us?" Your comment: "I think we should not continue the polemic further, due to the lack of meaning in further discussion of the current state of affairs, which you do not quite understand correctly due to the misperception of information." But you could not prove your "correct" perception of information. "And that's how it really is - Europe separately, Ukraine - separately! Two pipes, it turns out!"
And there were not even two pipes, but much more. Gas for Romania and Hungary went through Izmail. Through Beregovo-for Austria and Czechoslovakia.
Until your minus appears, I don't bother you. Will appear and get an answer.

[businessv]

Quote: Boris Epstein

And there were not even two pipes, but much more. Gas for Romania and Hungary went through Izmail.

In my third post to you, I described in detail the arrangement of gas pipelines in the Square. There is nothing to add, as well as to subtract. Gas is taken in the course of its passage, there is no "reverse", this is stupidity and nonsense. It is selected according to the advance payment of one or another foreign company. We put an end to this.

[boris epstein]

Once again, you DIDN'T be able to really reasonably refute my information. No, on you as an HONEST opponent, I really put an end to it.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

"" The United States is a strategic partner of Ukraine. Indeed, it is the "partner" of Ukraine. Moreover, the most active one. They even give cookies. After the act of "partnership"

[codetalker]

Let them go out officially. Are there any other serious international documents (apart from the Minsk Agreements) that mention Ukraine in its modern form?

[evgen1221]

I was also surprised, how can you admit the impossibility of doing something, if you have not even tried to do it, do not know how and, in principle, do not want to do it?

[businessv]

in the edition in which they were signed, it is almost impossible to fulfill them.

What the hell was it to sign for ?!

Kiev politicians are increasingly declaring the impossibility of implementing the Minsk agreements and suggesting that the United States and Poland be involved in the negotiations.

On this occasion, an anecdote was recalled: A knock on the door of the addict, he comes up and asks,
- who's there?
- open, police!
- what do you need?
- talk!
- How many are you?
- three.
- talk to each other!

[Brturin]

Quote: businessv

What the hell was it to sign for ?!

So they signed an association with the EU, now they asked to change the conditions and were polite ... They sign agreements with the IMF, then the commissions come and it turns out that the conditions are not met ... the last case - "The discussion was productive, but more progress is needed in favor of the completion of the first revision of the program. Discussions will continue "... discussions are of course, but money ... It looks like a principle - now we will sign, and then revise ...

[Gray-haired Zinnik]

I don't understand. Why not just send them on foot erotic (through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs), of course.

[kit88]

Donbass sailed away from them.

[steelmaker]

Exchange of prisoners, and what is not feasible here? Stop the shelling and withdraw heavy armored vehicles, is that also not feasible? No, you are just fascists, and your goal is to destroy as many people you dislike as possible! And the fact that Russia forgives you for this is already suspicious and leads to bad thoughts.

[Growlers]

Kiev "is making and will continue to make" all possible efforts to fulfill the principles laid down in the Minsk agreements, but in the version in which they were signed, it is practically impossible to fulfill the tasks set by the American masters ...

[iouris]

everything is correct. Ukraine cannot fulfill. means to get rid of her