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The deadline for the end of state tests of the 120-mm self-propelled artillery gun "Magnolia"

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The deadline for the end of state tests of the 120-mm self-propelled artillery gun "Magnolia"

State tests of the newest Magnolia self-propelled artillery gun will end in 2022, and the gun is currently undergoing preliminary tests. Reported by TASS with reference to the press service of "Uralvagonzavod".


The self-propelled artillery gun (SAO) "Magnolia" based on the DT-30PM has been developed, its state tests are planned to be completed in 2022

- said the company, adding that prototypes of self-propelled guns are currently undergoing a cycle of preliminary tests.

The self-propelled artillery gun was developed by the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" (Nizhny Novgorod, part of the "NPK" Uralvagonzavod "JSC). For the first time, the characteristics of the" Magnolia "CJSC were revealed at the international forum" Army-2019 ".

SAO is placed on the chassis of the crawler armored transporter DT-30ПМ of the Vityaz family. On the back case of the Magnolia there is a fighting compartment - with an 120-mm 2A80 gun, combining the fighting qualities of a gun, howitzer and mortar. The design of the tower provides horizontal horizontal guidance and the rise of the barrel from -5 ° to + 80 °. The gun fires high-explosive shells at a range of up to 8,5 km, guided shells - at 10 km, high-explosive shells - at 7 km. Gun rate - 10 rounds per minute, the ammunition consists of 80 shells.

The main purpose - fire destruction of armored vehicles, manpower and fortifications.

It is assumed that the self-propelled gun will go into service with artillery units deployed in hard-to-reach areas, wetlands, in the Far North.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 13 February 2021 09: 55
    +8
    It looks like the Arctic will become a very uneasy place.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 February 2021 09: 56
      +32
      It looks like the Arctic will become a very uneasy place.

      It seems to me that ours are taking all measures just to ensure that the Arctic remains a calm place.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 February 2021 21: 21
        +1
        As not a military man, I am more concerned about the Caucasus and SrAsia.
        the stability of the regimes there and our ability to control farmers.
        or all hopes for China?
      2. Michael67
        Michael67 14 February 2021 04: 48
        0
        And I am sure that thanks to such systems and complexes, the Arctic will become a QUIET region of the Russian Federation.
        1. Deck
          Deck 14 February 2021 22: 03
          -1
          On board this "complex" is missing the white inscription "Anarchist Kots"
    2. Finches
      Finches 13 February 2021 10: 00
      +7
      Another addition to the flower artillery lineup - "Carnation", "Acacia", "Tulip", "Hyacinth", "Peony" ... and now also "Magnolia"! The adversary can safely write letters of confession - "I'll plant the whole alley for you with flowers!" laughing
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 13 February 2021 10: 02
        -11%
        Quote: Finches
        "I'll plant the whole alley for you with flowers!"

        The main thing is that there would be something to plant))))))
        1. Finches
          Finches 13 February 2021 10: 14
          +3
          Be submissive and don't worry - there will certainly be! There is also gunpowder in the flasks and berries in the buttocks! laughing
          1. Momotomba
            Momotomba 13 February 2021 11: 57
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            There is still gunpowder in the powder flasks and berries in the buttocks

            well, balloons in harem pants wink
        2. mark1
          mark1 13 February 2021 10: 42
          +2
          While laughing, I pressed the wrong direction - I apologize ...
    3. Michael67
      Michael67 14 February 2021 04: 47
      -1
      And I am sure that thanks to such systems and complexes, the Arctic will become a QUIET region of the Russian Federation.
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 13 February 2021 10: 00
    +4
    Oh, and a harsh apparatus!
    Well, just a land artillery cruiser!
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 13 February 2021 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Oh, and a harsh apparatus!
      Well, just a land artillery cruiser!

      More like an armored train.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 13 February 2021 16: 43
        -1
        A flock of armored trains. wink
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 February 2021 10: 13
    +3
    Why is there no tower with a cannon on the tractor itself? She asks for it. As a child, I read science fiction about steam-powered land cruisers, so fantasy will not come true. repeat
    1. 113262a
      113262a 13 February 2021 10: 59
      +3
      This is for greater stealth! With two towers, you can hide between the bushes of lichen! And with one more something! Estimate, in the tundra at 8,5 km, the visibility is excellent! And here is such a barn! The ATGM adversary will not regret it!
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 February 2021 15: 02
        -1
        Indeed, the terrain is equal, except that there are so many stones to hide behind the "seids" in the tundra, and sometimes there are so many stones that there is no need for anti-tank bumps. Although there are places where you can hide on such a thing and you cannot find it yourself I lived 40 years in Murmansk,
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 13 February 2021 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      And why is there no tower with a cannon on the tractor itself?

      Weight distribution. The tractor is heavy even without a turret with a gun, and the tundra is swampy around.
    3. Qas
      Qas 14 February 2021 11: 56
      -1
      Well, the tank will work. And we already have them.
  4. faiver
    faiver 13 February 2021 10: 15
    -7
    I don't really understand why to make small-scale "unparalleled" super expensive weapons systems, it is much easier to carry an ordinary mortar or recoilless gun on a light chassis in the Arctic
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 February 2021 10: 19
      +8
      Why in the Arctic in the first place?) In the swampy, it will crawl where no one will appear. And shooting from an ordinary mortar in - 50 from an open area is such a pleasure ... and in general it is not a fact that a light chassis can do it secondly.
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 February 2021 10: 36
        -5
        fighting as such at minus fifty in itself is nonsense
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 13 February 2021 10: 23
      +6
      Permafrost is a swamp. Sometimes frozen, sometimes not very much. And ice is ice. A mortar on a light chassis will sink there in summer, in winter it will either break through the ice and sink again, or reach the first hummock or normal snow cover. Also, I suspect it is not fun to operate the mortar outdoors at -50. The same box is not very convenient to open with handles.
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 February 2021 10: 37
        +4
        I live in Yakutia, I do not need to talk about permafrost and -50 bully
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 13 February 2021 10: 51
          +1
          Well Duc? How to carry a mortar with ammunition there? On the dutik? Or a line of snowmobiles? And how to shoot from dutik, al from the swamp? And again - one question when you turn a mine in the kunga - and quite another when on the street
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 February 2021 10: 55
            +2
            yes, even on dutikas, even on snowmobiles, there are small all-terrain vehicles, but now estimate how many of them you can buy at the price of this monster, and they consume much less fuel
            1. aars
              aars 13 February 2021 11: 03
              +5
              How about in the summer?
              There are places more or less elevated, but there are completely swamps, near Surgut, for example.
              You will not put any mortar there, it will drown if not immediately, then after the first shot.
              And on a small all-terrain vehicle and a little ammunition.
              And the calculation also needs to rest, at least sleep.
              It’s dry in your tundra, I suppose, but it’s not so everywhere.
              1. faiver
                faiver 13 February 2021 11: 12
                +6
                with whom to fight in the swamps gathered?
                1. aars
                  aars 13 February 2021 11: 32
                  +1
                  With whom - no idea, but the generals know better, I suppose ...
                  Although it looks a little strange, will the Americans really arrange a landing on the Arctic coast?
                  But I mean that in some places there are swamps, there is nothing around except them for kilometers and hundreds of kilometers.
                  The wellbore systems are in production precisely because it is costly to do dumping for each well, but you just can't put it.
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 11: 36
                    +2
                    With whom - no idea, but the generals know better, I suppose
                    - generals have a habit of preparing for past wars, and in this particular case it is more like mastering the budget
                    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 February 2021 13: 36
                      -2
                      This is not budget development - here is another word! ...
                  2. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 13 February 2021 12: 09
                    -4
                    1) Nata may try to remove the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk. It was on this topic that mattresses were trained in Norway (although there is more of a shit question, because we needed them so that we could get cargo from the states. ?)
                    2) after the landing, they can organize an airbase there and from it hit the depths of the country.
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 13 February 2021 12: 16
                      -5
                      lol
                      The war with NATO and the United States is a full-fledged nuclear conflict with all the ensuing consequences
                      dear forest, forest ...
                      1. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 13 February 2021 12: 20
                        +3
                        report it to the Pentagon, otherwise they are not aware of your great thoughts.
                2. DDZ57
                  DDZ57 13 February 2021 13: 00
                  -1
                  with whom to fight in the swamps gathered?

                  Probably the Yakut - the shaman will be laid on the swamps, his next trip will probably be in the swamps.
                  Another delirium of Russian generals and "constructors", embodied from a nightmare into reality.
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 13: 02
                    +2
                    his next trip will probably be through the swamps
                    - if they let you out of the durk ...
                    1. DDZ57
                      DDZ57 13 February 2021 13: 05
                      0
                      If you don't drive the shaman, then they will probably fight with this company.

                      1. DDZ57
                        DDZ57 13 February 2021 13: 11
                        0
                        And who ordered this "tundra monster" and who designed it - these are new "pianists", not only "Japanese", but Russian
                        Such Heranuki Poroyalu are often found among people ... There is a lot of noise ... but "music" is not heard. ... even on a tuned piano. ...
                    2. DDZ57
                      DDZ57 13 February 2021 14: 30
                      -1
                      The whole territory of Russia is turning into a fool.
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 13 February 2021 21: 25
              -1
              this binomial was developed back in the late 80s. there is nowhere to put it.
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 February 2021 10: 48
        +5
        Yes, the tundra and the swamps there are tricky things, however. I did not serve there in the North - God had mercy, but in the 90s I worked in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug and the Tyumen Region on driving driven piles (construction). And indeed - a peculiar unit based on the S-100 trust (the total weight is up to 45 tons, which seems to be a little!) Either continuously breaks the ice, or strives to go underground. So we, having worn out, then after the completion of the work began to simply throw them in the tundra: the "economy" of objects sometimes allowed. And what is interesting - having arrived in those places a dozen years later, they found that our units went completely under the ground and only from a helicopter it is clearly visible where and what stood and was. Yes, the North is a specific place: both beautiful, but also harsh. And it will be necessary to fight there, apparently, like the British in the deserts of North Africa during WWII - they flew in, shot and flew away. Otherwise it will not work.
        1. aars
          aars 13 February 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Everything is drowned, I remember two A-50s were drowned (lift)
          They could not get it in any way.
          Okay, it was already cold - the operators chopped off with pesks around, then froze again and again chopped off ...
          A couple of bulldozers were pulled out of "captivity" like a deck, the wheels did not rotate.
      3. Runway
        Runway 13 February 2021 10: 56
        -3
        There is no permafrost on the Kola Peninsula. There are freezing swamps. It seems to me that the CAO will not choose a position on weak ground (there are no bad ones).
        Frost and sun - a wonderful day! How do they carry the bk and fire in Dauria, Khabarovsk Territory?
        The knight as a transporter is great. But in this shed it is quite possible to pack a pair of Nona-K with bq and calculations. Folding (prefabricated) platforms for implements. Threw off at points - "ran away" to PB for "addition".
      4. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 06: 42
        0
        Not always. Permafrost is when only the upper layer thaws in the summer. Literally half a meter, or maybe less.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 14 February 2021 06: 50
          -1
          I'm in courses. The problem is that what does not thaw is also a swamp. roughly - half a meter thawed out, you fell half a meter into the swamp, stood on the frozen ground, while you stood - it also melted from your heat - you drowned for another half meter. The permafrost is even worse than an ordinary swamp
          1. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 07: 07
            0
            Let it be so in your understanding. :) Do not be offended, there are a lot of nuances, and they are available only to those who live here. :)
          2. Ugochaves
            Ugochaves 14 February 2021 12: 42
            0
            No, if you go through to the permafrost, you will soon freeze. belay
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 14 February 2021 12: 49
              -1
              Especially if the machine fury in all directions with warmth ... They wrote over there how the technique was sinking. Everything is just like firewood - it is heated in the sun in summer, and the metal conducts heat to the permafrost - it melts
    3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 February 2021 10: 32
      +4
      Hmm, I thought, looking at this "miracle" - again garbage ... Carrying my rapier cannon (MT12A1) in the North is also utter crap. There are stones, sands, and tundra - the variety of nature is impressive, and in winter, snow will be added with a thickness of several centimeters to several meters! I see that GAU thinks in terms of the war before last. Alas.
    4. venik
      venik 13 February 2021 10: 39
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      I don't really understand ... it is much easier to carry an ordinary mortar or recoilless gun on a light chassis in the Arctic

      =======
      And you try to drag all this garbage in tow through the swamps, or more beautifully unfold, fire, and then turn the towed weapon into a strong wind in a severe frost! Then you will immediately understand!
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 February 2021 10: 44
        -1
        Against whom to deploy and fire? Show me an army capable of conducting full-scale military operations at temperatures below minus 30?
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 13 February 2021 10: 54
          -1
          Which army? Small, small group of some kind. And against 120-ki with a range of 10 km, they can only fart for a reference point, a wunderwolf for those edges will be
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 February 2021 10: 58
            +1
            this small group of one shot from a grenade launcher will nail this crap in place
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 13 February 2021 11: 11
              +2
              Over 10 km? Shot doubt
              1. faiver
                faiver 13 February 2021 11: 16
                -1
                come closer, it's easier on foot ...
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 31
                  -3
                  oh, here come the adepts who, at -40 in shorts and sneakers, will walk 10 km in half an hour, they will overwhelm everyone and will come back the same way.
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 11: 46
                    -5
                    no mind - consider a cripple
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 13 February 2021 12: 05
                      -5
                      condolences.
              2. Runway
                Runway 13 February 2021 11: 44
                -1
                Transportable ATGM.
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 13 February 2021 22: 04
                  -2
                  Like Spike, Scholl? The spike has 8, the art has 10 km, plus all the electronics are in the box, and it does not freeze, and Spike is not very sure that it will work at all at -50. Never stood with ratsukha in the cold? How the charge flies away - you know? Spike will not turn on stupidly - he is not ready for such conditions
                  1. Runway
                    Runway 13 February 2021 23: 30
                    +2
                    I didn't understand your jargon, but I guessed it. About -50 and maximum firing range - I can suggest that you study the geography of two sections of the Arctic zone on the territory of the Russian Federation, where it is possible for the parties to use ground groupings - the Murmansk region and Chukotka.
                    A war in the Arctic zone is akin to a war in the desert in the absolute. Why, you will find out for yourself.
                    I am not discussing clinical nonsense about the landing on Novaya Zemlya or Sabbet.
                    1. Cowbra
                      Cowbra 13 February 2021 23: 40
                      -1
                      Well, what a desert. in what desert? To drive a heavy Abrams into the desert - like two fingers, long-range artillery, and on wheels - no question, there SUVs drive through the desert calmly. Will this go far in the tundra, and even more so on the ice of the North Atlantic shield?

                      10 km - for this particular installation, which is in the article, and for those conditions - what a range.
                      1. Runway
                        Runway 14 February 2021 00: 22
                        -1
                        Everything is clear with you. No questions.
        2. venik
          venik 13 February 2021 12: 51
          +8
          Quote: faiver
          Show me an army capable of conducting full-scale military operations at temperatures below minus 30?

          =======
          Well, first of all, it's the RF Armed Forces! lol Well, and besides, there are also Finns, Norwegians, Canadians ... Yes, and the States maintain a fairly decent contingent in Alaska and the Yukon. Moreover, unlike us, neither in the "Gorbachev" nor in the "Yeltsin" times - they did not liquidate their bases, but on the contrary - expanded!
          So it turned out that we have to rebuild our bases, because our "sworn friends" began to count our Arctic islands are almost their own fiefdom! And the division of the Arctic shelf is a complete nonsense, because in their opinion, all this (the shelf) should belong exclusively to them!
          Now rate own statement:
          Quote: faiver
          Against whom to deploy and fire?

          laughing lol
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 February 2021 13: 06
            +1
            Well, first of all, it's the RF Armed Forces! lol Well, and besides, there are also Finns, Norwegians, Canadians ... Yes, and the States maintain a fairly decent contingent in Alaska and Yukon
            - Vladimir, deploying to indicate presence and conducting full-scale hostilities are somewhat different things hi
            1. venik
              venik 13 February 2021 13: 34
              +3
              Quote: faiver
              - Vladimir, deploying to indicate presence and conducting full-scale hostilities are somewhat different things

              ========
              Well, of course, Andrey! That is exactly why they build "Armor", "Torah", and now "Magnolia" in arctic execution ....
              1. faiver
                faiver 13 February 2021 13: 40
                -1
                air defense systems in the Arctic version are understandable, but there is no mortar cannon hitting at 10 km
                1. venik
                  venik 13 February 2021 13: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: faiver
                  air defense systems in the Arctic version are understandable, but there is no mortar cannon hitting at 10 km

                  =======
                  Not understood! Those. air defense complexes with a range of 15-20 km (this is the maximum) - are justified, but an artillery gun with a range of 10 km - no? belay And if the landing - WHAT to fight back? Kalashi and RPGs? I think this question is best answered only by those who are in the Arctic bases served (Do they need it or not?). WHY would they still create it then?
                  PS Forgive the very fashionable nowadays version about "sawing the dough" - I don't even take into account (although such things "take place", but not always!) ....
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 14: 06
                    +1
                    Not understood! Those. air defense complexes with a range of 15-20 km
                    - these complexes cover the S-300, S-400, airfields.
                    To eliminate the Arctic base, it does not need to be destroyed or captured, it is enough to bang the generator and the boiler room.
                    In 2002, in Yakutsk, in December, an accident at the state district power station happened at minus 40, so in three hours the city of three hundred thousand people almost froze over ...
                    1. venik
                      venik 13 February 2021 14: 10
                      -2
                      Quote: faiver
                      To eliminate the Arctic base, it does not need to be destroyed or captured, it is enough to bang the generator and the boiler room.

                      ======
                      Yes, yes! And if they suddenly captured an Arctic island, or, for example, they flooded to Murman .... WHAT to beat off? Again, as in the 41st "soldiers' bodies" ???
                      1. faiver
                        faiver 13 February 2021 14: 21
                        +1
                        Murmansk crashed with a nuclear warhead
                  2. antivirus
                    antivirus 13 February 2021 21: 29
                    +2
                    And if the landing - WHAT to fight back? Kalashi and RPGs? Doom

                    - bears need to be fed for uninvited guests,
    5. Dodikson
      Dodikson 13 February 2021 10: 54
      +3
      1) you can't sit on duty in a light chassis for a day
      2) heavy weapons cannot be transported on a light chassis
      3) you won't take a lot of ammunition on a light chassis
      4) a two-link chassis is designed to pass where conventional all-terrain vehicles will not pass. a light chassis will not pass there either.
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 February 2021 11: 02
        -1
        where ordinary all-terrain vehicles will not pass to fight there is no one ...
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 03
          0
          but from there you can shoot on the topic of who will not get there.
          or drive through what ordinary all-terrain vehicles will not get over to go to the rear of those who go where you can get.
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 February 2021 11: 10
            -1
            who to shoot at? who will climb there?
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 30
              0
              that is, we keep troops in the Arctic in vain?
              1. faiver
                faiver 13 February 2021 11: 40
                -2
                it's not worth writing nonsense
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 40
                  0
                  so do not write. I'm not forcing you.
                2. venik
                  venik 13 February 2021 18: 48
                  -2
                  Quote: faiver
                  it's not worth writing nonsense

                  =======
                  Well, don't WRITE !!!
                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 19: 10
                    -2
                    I don’t write them, it’s you who stand up for the modern T-35
        2. Lord
          Lord 13 February 2021 12: 12
          +4
          operation Bagration
          climbed through the swamp and piled on those who did not wait
    6. Dart2027
      Dart2027 13 February 2021 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: faiver
      it is much easier to carry an ordinary mortar or recoilless gun on a light chassis in arctic conditions

      Well, firstly, there are three in one (a 2A80 gun that combines the fighting qualities of a cannon, a howitzer and a mortar), that is, there is no need to choose, and secondly, the chassis is taken from an already developed and used production vehicle.
  5. 113262a
    113262a 13 February 2021 11: 03
    +3
    Straight from the STAR WARS machine! Straight, for the covert movement across the tundra! The largest is only an armored train! The dream of a grenade launcher is a pturist for sure!
  6. 113262a
    113262a 13 February 2021 11: 09
    +2
    And how will IT work in the cold? Where is his GTE? After all, only eighties can dissect the tundra? Pulling out of which just from the swamp even in training I had a chance to contemplate! In addition to one, they drowned another, then 62, then they tore two chain hoists on the tractor, but pulled out this whole UTOPIA))) I personally took part in the action, dragging a hook clip through the swamp on the headmistress! And a stuck joint will simply be thrown away.
    1. Guru
      Guru 13 February 2021 11: 35
      +2
      And a stuck joint will simply be thrown away.
      The articulated circuit is many times more passable than the usual one.
      1. faiver
        faiver 13 February 2021 11: 37
        -1
        and it is also many times more complicated, many times more expensive and many times more consumes fuel
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 39
          +2
          +1 with aviation the same theme. The Su-57 is many times more complicated, several times more expensive and several times more fuel-efficient than the I-16.
          and why we switched to jets. because they are problems.
        2. Guru
          Guru 13 February 2021 12: 11
          -2
          faiver (Andrew)
          and it is also many times more complicated, many times more expensive and many times more consumes fuel

          You would, sir, to start with the mathematics part.
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 February 2021 12: 39
            -4

            a flock of such armed UAZs will be many times more effective, versatile, maintainable and cheaper than this monster alone
            1. Guru
              Guru 13 February 2021 13: 32
              +2
              a flock of such armed UAZs will be many times more effective, versatile, maintainable and cheaper than this monster alone
              What flock? belay Now put a 120mm cannon on it and watch how the recoil turns over in the air. laughing Learn the material part
              1. faiver
                faiver 13 February 2021 13: 45
                -3
                no rollback, a tray, a cornflower, we can easily put it, plus we hook a flat-bottomed sled trailer, the loss of one or two units from a group of five cars is not critical
                so teach mat yourself. part bully
                1. DDZ57
                  DDZ57 13 February 2021 16: 00
                  +2
                  The USMC has been using this system for several years: the weight is about 1600 kg.
                  Can be towed by a Hummer, transported on the external suspension of a helicopter, is included in the inner compartment of a wheeled and tracked conveyor,
                  if the compartment of the armored personnel carrier has upward-opening covers, it can be operated from the internal compartment of the armored personnel carrier.

                  Will a flat-bottomed sled trailer pull this thing?


                  1. faiver
                    faiver 13 February 2021 16: 14
                    +1
                    no, 1,6 tons is too much, our good old cornflower weighs six hundred kg with a penny
                    1. DDZ57
                      DDZ57 13 February 2021 16: 16
                      +1
                      There is work to do (in terms of weight reduction).
                2. antivirus
                  antivirus 13 February 2021 21: 35
                  0
                  there are warriors, there are military, there are army, there are warriors, there are eaters of budgets, there are others
      2. 113262a
        113262a 13 February 2021 12: 09
        -1
        When the equipment sits on the bottom, do not care whether it is articulated or not! The tank, too, while the goslings are rowing the firmament, going as they lay down! Or will we do a meter clearance? So now the tundra thaws almost a meter in summer!
        1. Guru
          Guru 13 February 2021 17: 14
          +1
          113262а (Vladimir)
          You "Vitizya" saw him walking through the swamp. What the hell are you talking about.
          1. 113262a
            113262a 13 February 2021 18: 34
            -1
            Once again, if the car sits on its belly, then at least VITYAZ, at least PETYAZ, will lie and waving pitiful goslings! Tested in the sands of the GSVG and the chernozems of Lugansk. So this is soil, not a swamp! It's time to paddle there! Or do you describe the physics of the process here?
            1. Guru
              Guru 13 February 2021 18: 46
              +2
              Once again, if the car sits on its belly, then at least VITYAZ, even PETYAZ, it will lie plaintively wave the goslings! Tested in the sands of the GSVG and the chernozems of Lugansk. So this is soil, not a swamp! It's time to paddle there! Or do you describe the physics of the process here?

              Will not !!! Will not wave geese. But Physics describe come on !!! Will not wave geese, Will not. Where the GGT stuck upside down, the BAT could not pass the Vityaz for two times, I saw it with my own eyes. And that would not stick to the bottom, the caterpillar technique carries a log, it is called "For self-pulling", but "Vityaz" comes out without a log. These are the wonders of the articulated scheme.
              1. 113262a
                113262a 13 February 2021 19: 29
                -2
                Aha, on anti-gravity and nano-cohesion with the ground he is rowing! Now about physics on your fingers! Tracked vehicle movement https://bstudy.net/644008/tehnika/rabota_gusenichnogo_dvizhitelya- this is to understand the process! So, when the car lies on the ground and the force of resistance to movement becomes greater than the tractive effort of the tracks, the car, even if it is Articulated, even if it is CUT, stops!
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 13 February 2021 12: 14
    +4
    It is assumed that the self-propelled gun will go into service with artillery units deployed in hard-to-reach areas, wetlands, in the Far North.

    Indeed, where the "Vityaz" CAN pass, in general few people can pass, conduct hostilities, can ... except that alien kraken !!!
    1. faiver
      faiver 13 February 2021 19: 05
      0
      to conduct hostilities, can ... except that alien kraken !!!
      - that's what I'm talking about, too, but the armored train armored couch troops for the modern T-35 will look good at parades
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 February 2021 20: 14
        +2
        It looks really ... impressive.
        The all-terrain vehicle is cool ... it's better not to remember the roads, they will never be there ... for objective reasons too.
  8. axxmanm
    axxmanm 13 February 2021 12: 26
    +3
    Too little gun for such a train
  9. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 13 February 2021 12: 26
    +4


    The armored trains are returning.

  10. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 13 February 2021 13: 16
    +1
    Well, we love floral names for slaughter systems!
    Maybe for the better?
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 13 February 2021 13: 51
      +2
      An alternative branch of the development of this system.
      1. DDZ57
        DDZ57 13 February 2021 14: 04
        +2
        There is a more detailed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5wE1HEtSLQ
        (Ultimate Weapons - Dragon Fire II) - but limited access registration is required. I can not. Try it.
        A whiter lightweight system, convenient for transportation on many types of transport, can work in autonomous mode remotely, even without an operator.
        It is not perceived in the Russian Federation, there was a discussion in Klimovsk.

        The firing range of the Russian Federation, that they have about 13 km, they have a controlled version of the projectile - positioned 18 km.
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 February 2021 13: 53
      +1
      Probably, women are in the artillery design bureaus. That doesn't get complicated! Men, of course, would suggest "Perun", "Odin", "Thor", "Ilya the Thunderer", "Oleg's Sword" and the like. Do you agree?
  11. lasroc
    lasroc 13 February 2021 13: 51
    +5
    Finnish variant - 120mm Patria Nemo mortar system on BvS10
    1. 113262a
      113262a 13 February 2021 18: 36
      +5
      Burned down the office! It has been said that it has NO ANALOGUES IN THE GALAXY!
      1. lasroc
        lasroc 13 February 2021 19: 14
        +2
        Quote: 113262
        Burned down the office! It has been said that it has NO ANALOGUES IN THE GALAXY!

        I didn't want it, it just happenedlol hi
  12. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 13 February 2021 13: 58
    +1
    with the 120-mm 2A80 gun, which combines the fighting qualities of a cannon, howitzer and mortar

    I am of course wildly sorry for an amateur. Mortar, yes, there is 120 mm. Cannons - 125 mm, 122 mm, there were 130 mm. Howitzers - 122 mm, 152 mm. But what kind of shells for a cannon and a howitzer of 120 mm do we have? what
    1. Guru
      Guru 13 February 2021 17: 16
      -1
      Redfox3k (Vladislav)
      But what kind of shells for a cannon and a howitzer of 120 mm do we have? what
      In the 90s, it was developed under the NATO standard. We were naive as Ukrainians, and of course no one needed this weapon.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 13 February 2021 21: 39
        +2
        also tell me that you can use shells from naval ships (captured in the ice)
  13. Adimius38
    Adimius38 13 February 2021 14: 49
    -1
    a great idea to install a turret gun on a cross-country platform
  14. mark1969
    mark1969 13 February 2021 14: 57
    +4
    about. 279

    Time to Roll Object 279.
  15. DDZ57
    DDZ57 13 February 2021 16: 12
    +1
    "Adequate" or "inadequate" response of the Russian Federation to sledges for the ILC of the Netherlands.

    https://topwar.ru/178265-sostavljajuschaja-boesposobnosti-sani-pulki-dlja-kmp-niderlandov.html
  16. DDZ57
    DDZ57 13 February 2021 17: 50
    0
    The European response from small Estonia, which completely stops the "tundra monsters" without loss of personnel.
    And in winter you don't need to freeze and in summer you don't need to feed midges, mosquitoes and cobwebs.
    In the European answer, one must also take into account the platform from Rheinmetall.
    https://topwar.ru/163316-sobran-iz-gotovogo-robototehnicheskij-raketnyj-kompleks-ot-mbda-i-milrem.html


    Here is the American answer.
    https://topwar.ru/177228-rashodnyj-material-amerikanskie-roboty-dlja-samoj-guschi-boja.html


    We add half of the Chinese product to these platforms (I don't think that Europe and the USA lack them). We get another answer.
    https://topwar.ru/176108-kitaj-provel-ispytanija-roja-dronov-s-mobilnoj-puskovoj-ustanovki.html


    For the summer option for traveling on rivers
    OgnennyiKotik Today, 09:04 brought the Turkish answer
    https://topwar.ru/179661-zenitnyj-kompleks-derivacija-pvo-vopros-boepripasov.html#comment-id-11228031


    And on my own I will add for movement in winter on snow and in transition periods (winter-spring, autumn-winter) and in summer on water, airboat platforms with a damped bottom are very suitable. Carrying capacity over 1t. They are easily converted into an unmanned version and are equipped with the above weapons systems. Look at the site of the Krasnoyarsk enterprise "Severboat".


    Everything has already been worked out and is in production. Combine and get ready-made adequate technical solutions.
    1. Disant
      Disant 13 February 2021 20: 01
      0
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVPDS7W0Fho

      that's where they go. This is what they say at the end.
    2. DDZ57
      DDZ57 16 February 2021 06: 51
      0
      An article appeared on VO: Artificial intelligence in the Russian army: catching up with a departing train
      https://topwar.ru/179975-iskusstvennyj-intellekt-v-rossijskoj-armii-dogonjaja-uhodjaschij-poezd.html
      And the question naturally arises:
      Do those who do the described tundra monsters have a natural one?
  17. gorenina91
    gorenina91 14 February 2021 04: 56
    0
    It is assumed that the self-propelled gun will go into service with artillery units deployed in hard-to-reach areas, wetlands, in the Far North.

    - It is unlikely only for the Far North ... - Russia (and the USSR) has always been famous for its universal weapons ... - for all climatic zones of the world at once ... - For fighting in the hot sands ... - such a "Magnolia "(with a microclimate for the crew) most likely ... - it will definitely fit ...
    The gun shoots high-explosive fragmentation shells at a distance of up to 8,5 km, guided missiles at 10 km, high-explosive fragmentation mines at 7 km. The rate of guns - 10 rounds per minute, ammunition consists of 80 shells.

    - And what are these weapons so "modest" and "not long-range" ???
    - Well, personally I ... - certainly not an expert; but at least two guns are clearly "asking for" there ... - And one of them ... - not less than 152 mm ... - Well, most likely there will be a guidance system (a firing system with its own UAVs ...- " scouts "and" spotters ") ... - Then such a unit with two or three such" Magnolias "will sweep away everything around it within a radius of more than 20 km ...
    1. faiver
      faiver 14 February 2021 14: 26
      +1
      you forgot to attach one more link with the air defense complex to the armored vehicle wassat
      1. DDZ57
        DDZ57 17 February 2021 08: 11
        0
        A question arose for you, as a resident, where it is -50 C:
        How to cope with natural needs in such frost and with the wind?
        And the same is the case with a massive flight of midges, etc.
        Those. is there a latrine on the monster?
  18. Alexfly
    Alexfly 16 February 2021 15: 12
    0
    In hard-to-reach regions, aviation will rule the show, most likely it is necessary to attend to air defense
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 19 February 2021 06: 29
      0
      In hard-to-reach regions, aviation will rule the show,

      Plus, unmanned ground platforms with weapons systems and "swarms of ground-based small-sized drones" in different designs (mines, grenade launchers, etc. (komikadze on the ground) will go.
      In addition to the above, they also saw other ground-based unmanned systems.
      Everything has already been written on VO.
      Combat unmanned ground vehicle Ripsaw-MS2 - (high-speed and not so big). February 19, 2013 (Already old. But where have they gone in 7 years?)
      https://topwar.ru/24400-boevoy-bespilotnyy-nazemnyy-apparat-ripsaw-ms2.html
      And again "small" Estonia. (They laughed at here. They laughed.) New platform.
      The robotic platform Milrem Type-X has entered trials.
      https://topwar.ru/178898-robototehnicheskaja-platforma-milrem-type-x-vyshla-na-ispytanija.html
      If they lean on unmanned small-sized platforms, then here on MONSTERS.
      1. DDZ57
        DDZ57 19 February 2021 06: 42
        0
        And all this has already taken place in the USSR (in the 30s there were many games with various weapons systems). The result is 41-42.
        No conclusions are drawn. Result - Bekaa Valley - 1982 Further, the beginning of the Chechen war.
        Further - 2020- Karabakh.
        We will not stand behind the price.
        Women give birth.
        If in 1941 there was a gigantic catastrophe for the USSR, the conclusions and consequences of which have not been evaluated until now. And they are very tangible in the 21st century.
        And someone wants to repeat 45g.
        Repetition 45g. at the present time and under present conditions it is possible only in a thermonuclear version. And with all the ensuing consequences.
  19. DDZ57
    DDZ57 22 February 2021 08: 42
    0
    An interesting question arose.
    It follows from the article that the tundra monster is washed down, i.e. almost ready, but from the article it is not clear whether or not a small polymer shutter was installed on the projectile, which the progenitor has.
    This small polymer part stabilizes the intra-ballistic process, improves the accuracy of fire, reduces gas-dynamic erosion, etc. The progenitor has had this piece for more than 30 years.
    The descendant did not have this detail until 2017.
    Can someone say something?