"In response to unfriendly actions": Russia extended sanctions against Ukraine

Russia has expanded economic sanctions against Ukraine. The corresponding decree was signed by Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin. The document was published on the official portal of legal information.

Russia has expanded the list of Ukrainian companies subject to economic sanctions. The decision was made in response to the "unfriendly actions" of Ukraine. The document amends the previously adopted resolution "On measures to implement the decree of the President of the Russian Federation of October 22, 2018 No. 592".

Initially, the list of Ukrainian companies against which Russian sanctions were imposed in 2018 included 68 legal entities, then it was expanded to 75 and now to 84, adding nine companies to the document. The resolution comes into force from the moment of signing, i.e. from 11 February 2021.

Russia officially imposed sanctions on Ukraine on November 1, 2018. The corresponding decree was then signed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.

According to the decree, Russia initially introduced restrictive measures against 322 Ukrainian citizens and 68 companies in response to Kiev's unfriendly actions against Russian citizens and companies. The restrictions imposed by Russia provide for the blocking (freezing) of non-cash funds, securities and property on the territory of Russia, as well as a ban on the transfer of funds (withdrawal of capital) outside Russia.

Moscow has repeatedly stated that the restrictive measures imposed on Ukraine can be lifted if Ukraine completely abandons anti-Russian sanctions.

Comments

[Xnumx vis]

It is high time . It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to the death.

[Hunter 2]

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.
Solution - Correct!

[Flooding]

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

I do not agree with you.
Today it is, if not the only, then one of the few effective tools for countering brainwashing in Ukraine.
Do you offer to lose it too?

[aars]

Do you propose to feed the enemies from our land ?!

[Flooding]

Quote: aars

Do you propose to feed the enemies from our land ?!

I suggest looking a little further than your own nose.
and to work long.
This is when 20-30 years pass, and we are surprised and throw up our hands: "We did not work with the people. We relied on local elites. And the enemy did not sleep. He taught thousands of young people for free in their universities. Assimilated by tens and hundreds of thousands of labor migrants."
here I am for not dancing on a rake.
to ensure that this story does not repeat itself.

[aars]

Useless.
It's useless at all.
This story goes back to such ancient times, from the introduction of serfdom by Catherine, etc.
How many wolves do not feed ...

[Flooding]

Quote: aars

This story goes back to such times, from the introduction of serfdom by Catherine, etc.

Thank you for reminding me.
How many tens of thousands of Germans has Russia Russified? Already and do not count.

[aars]

Do not compare tens of thousands and millions, this is a couple of decimal orders of magnitude difference!
And how would the Ukrainians defile us, instill in their greed, meanness, etc.

[Flooding]

Quote: aars

Do not compare tens of thousands and millions, this is a couple of decimal orders of magnitude difference!

Why shouldn't thousands of people of a completely different culture and language be compared with millions of representatives of a kindred people?

Quote: aars

And how would the Ukrainians defile us, instill in their greed, meanness, etc.

No comment. You wrote badly here without thinking.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

I do not agree with you.
Today it is, if not the only, then one of the few effective tools for countering brainwashing in Ukraine.
Do you offer to lose it too?

Quote: aars
Do you propose to feed the enemies from our land ?!

I suggest looking a little further than your own nose.
and to work long.

Do you at least understand what it means to "see beyond your nose and work long distance"?

All so-called. foreign "labor" migrants from the near abroad in a low-skilled manner deform the Russian labor market for the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and its indigenous peoples due to: 1) reduction of jobs for the local indigenous population, 2) falling wages and forced withdrawal into the shadow economy, 3) displacement of Russian specialists from the domestic labor market and replacing them with low-skilled foreign labor. As a result, 4) the impoverishment of the local population is growing and its marginalization occurs, 5) its criminalization and interethnic tensions in the country are growing. And 6) and those earned by foreign labor migrants are also removed from the economy of the Russian Federation and support the economy of foreign countries.
China has introduced a system in which there are no foreign "labor" migrants, but the well-being of the Chinese is only growing.

And then someone is surprised that in support of some kind of Navalny, Russian Natsiks come out to protests in the Russian Federation!

Your long-term foreign migration policy in the Russian Federation is fundamentally WRONG. It is anti-Russian, eroding our state as such. Leading to a reduction in the number of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation - and above all of the Russian and Russian-speaking people and population as a state of the forming people.
For if a person does not have a job, then there is neither wife nor children. And also the family ties of generations are torn.

So you are wrong!
Mishustin is doing everything right. But I would like to see this correctness in the country even more!

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

So you are wrong!

Tatyana, thanks for the criticism addressed to me.
I will definitely listen to your opinion if you vote for me in the presidential elections.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Tatiana

So you are wrong!

Tatyana, thanks for the criticism addressed to me.
I will definitely listen to your opinion, if you vote for me in the presidential elections.

It's a pity that it is so difficult for you to descend from the clouds to the ground!

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

It's a pity that it is so difficult for you to descend from the clouds to the ground!

Alas for me. How are you on earth, do not you live in poverty?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

This is good: the puppy is on the eve of its exhaustion, you need to help, speed up so that the unfortunate animal (the Bandera colony of Americans near Russia) does not suffer for a long time. We need to feel sorry for the dying Bandera puppy!

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: Flood

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

I do not agree with you.
Today it is, if not the only, then one of the few effective tools for countering brainwashing in Ukraine.
Do you offer to lose it too?

Quote: aars
Do you propose to feed the enemies from our land ?!

I suggest looking a little further than your own nose.
and to work long.

Do you at least understand what it means to "see beyond your nose and work long distance"?

All so-called. foreign "labor" migrants from the near abroad in a low-skilled manner deform the Russian labor market for the indigenous population of the Russian Federation and its indigenous peoples due to: 1) reduction of jobs for the local indigenous population, 2) falling wages and forced withdrawal into the shadow economy, 3) displacement of Russian specialists from the domestic labor market and replacing them with low-skilled foreign labor. As a result, 4) the impoverishment of the local population is growing and its marginalization occurs, 5) its criminalization and interethnic tensions in the country are growing. And 6) and those earned by foreign labor migrants are also removed from the economy of the Russian Federation and support the economy of foreign countries.
China has introduced a system in which there are no foreign "labor" migrants, but the well-being of the Chinese is only growing.

And then someone is surprised that in support of some kind of Navalny, Russian Natsiks come out to protests in the Russian Federation!

Your long-term foreign migration policy in the Russian Federation is fundamentally WRONG. It is anti-Russian, eroding our state as such. Leading to a reduction in the number of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation - and above all of the Russian and Russian-speaking people and population as a state of the forming people.
For if a person does not have a job, then there is neither wife nor children. And also the family ties of generations are torn.

So you are wrong!
Mishustin is doing everything right. But I would like to see this correctness in the country even more!

In fact, everything is simple. Small and medium-sized businesses do not have the money to pay a citizen of the Russian Federation with a salary in the region. As the demand for its products is small - following due to the low incomes of Russians, this is a vicious circle. Cheap labor has always driven the developing economies of the world at all times, but until it became developed or the country died. For example, the majority of migrants left Russia with coronavirus, construction sites are standing still, why do not the locals go? Mostly because of the little money, why not raise their salary? Then prices for apartments will rise. Instead of 2-3 lamas for 1shku 5 lamas will cost. The demand for such apartments will fall, people will go more and more to the secondary market and companies are in the red. Therefore, migrants are our realities for a long time, until the Russian economy recovers.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

Therefore, migrants are our realities for a long time, until the Russian economy recovers.

migrants leaving us take out money that they have a different purchasing power. It's all about the wrong dollar rate. Financial tycoons set such a course that it is ALWAYS more profitable to buy abroad than to produce at home. Our brains are obscured by migrants, Navalny, "strong" ruble ... in fact, this is a fact. Taking from abroad is always cheaper than having it yourself, from a migrant to a chainsaw. This kills our manufacturing expertise

[Bolt cutter]

from migrant to chainsaw.

Have you calculated the damage from the criminal activity of the migrant? A chainsaw is cheaper to take from outside the Chinese border, with the appropriate quality. Stihl from the states is more expensive.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

And it is cheaper to take a chainsaw from outside the Chinese border, with the appropriate quality.

you write correctly, but unfortunately, we cannot even achieve poor Chinese quality in consumer goods.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

Therefore, migrants are our realities for a long time, until the Russian economy recovers.

migrants leaving us take out money that they have a different purchasing power. It's all about the wrong dollar rate. Financial tycoons set such a course that it is ALWAYS more profitable to buy abroad than to produce at home. Our brains are obscured by migrants, Navalny, "strong" ruble ... in fact, this is a fact. Taking from abroad is always cheaper than having it yourself, from a migrant to a chainsaw. This kills our manufacturing expertise

The problem is not that they export money, the problem is that most of them work illegally, otherwise they would bring income, the same patent. Which are created so that a citizen of the Russian Federation has more advantages when applying for a job, but alas, this does not work, as migrants very often work illegally. And nobody pays anything for them. To produce at home is one thing, it is another thing to be competitive in this product with Western companies, and this is almost impossible at the moment. As all that could be borrowed - already occupied. And moving from their place is very, very difficult. The benchmark since 2000 of the Russian Federation was that it will become the main country for heavy industry in the future, what are oil refining projects, but alas, there is no money for them anymore. At the moment, it is impossible to compete with the West in the household industry. But only inside the Russian Federation and that quality will be very limp.

[Dart]

Quote: Antonio_Mariarti

Then prices for apartments will rise. Instead of 2-3 lamas for 1shku 5 lamas will cost.

It is enough to moderate your appetites for profit.

[Svarog]

Quote: Tatiana

For if a person does not have a job, then there is neither wife nor children. And also the family ties of generations are torn.

Tatyana .. let's look at this question from the other side. Suppose that we returned all Ukrainian guest workers back to their homeland. As a rule, these are quite young and active people .. they did not find a job in Ukraine .. but in the gangs of the formation please .. they will be hired .. so from these people they will form units that will send to fight against us and as a result there will be only a degree of hatred grow and lead to a full-fledged war and no integration or rapprochement will definitely happen in the next 100 years .. Ukraine will be completely torn off .. The Turks are building the Ottoman Empire .. Together, a manger to look at the situation, it will be painful for us. Balts, Poles, Ukrainians, Ottomans .. not frail such a fighting fist is being formed .. and the strategy of the West is precisely that such a fist would be and hit them, so as not to receive a nuclear strike in response.
From the point of view of geopolitics, the solution, in my opinion, is not the best. In general, the simplest thing is to acquire enemies .. even easier among neighbors .. But here's how to make a friend out of an enemy, you really need brains here ..
I believe that our foreign policy is a failure and does not meet long-term interests. It literally pushes aside the problems where these problems accumulate their critical mass. I think that the government has no plan, in foreign policy, even for the next five years .. In general, this is all sad. Apparently, in 10 years, and maybe even earlier, there will be a war.

[Bolt cutter]

.but to gang formation please.

Those who wish to enter the gangs themselves have arrived there from Russia. Gaster will go to Poland.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Svarog

I believe that our foreign policy is a failure and does not meet long-term interests. It literally pushes aside the problems where these problems accumulate their critical mass. I think that the government has no plan, in foreign policy, even for the next five years .. In general, this is all sad. Apparently, in 10 years, and maybe even earlier, there will be a war.

Yes, that's right. War - in fact TMV - Russia cannot be avoided and Russians need to be ready for it now. And no Ukrainian guest workers will save Russia from the war between Ukraine and the Russian Federation!
They will be on the territory of Russia the "5th" Ukrainian military column in our country. Of course, except for staunch Russian nationalists from the DLNR. But after all, convinced Ukrainian Nazis-Bandera from all over Ukraine come to Russia "guest workers".
Therefore, in the event of an impending war, we cannot but reckon with these Ukrainian militants and their groups in our rear! Moreover, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sets before them exactly such an underground task in our country.

This means that in Russia for Ukraine and Ukrainians there should be sanctions restrictions on the part of the Russian government. And Mishustin, introducing Russian sanctions on Ukraine, is doing everything right.

[Svarog]

Quote: Tatiana

This means that in Russia for Ukraine and Ukrainians there should be sanctions restrictions on the part of the Russian government. And Mishustin,

Sanctions need to beat their elite and the oligarchs. They cannot be broadcast to the people. If a real war breaks out, then yes, everyone can be gathered together and evicted or to work under supervision .. But while there is no war, you need to influence the minds and emphasize that sanctions are being introduced not for Ukrainians, but against oligarchs. Actually, according to this principle, the United States is conducting politics. Well, that's my opinion. I am an unconditional supporter that Ukraine should be with Russia, like Belarus.
The further into the forest .. the less situational choice Russia has .. although there would have been politics and understanding 20 years ago, much could have been different.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Svarog
Sanctions need to beat their elite and the oligarchs. They cannot be broadcast to the people. If a real war breaks out, then yes, everyone should be gathered together and evicted or to work under supervision .. But while there is no war, it is necessary to influence the minds and emphasize that sanctions are being introduced not for Ukrainians, but against the oligarchs.

They will not listen to you.

As for the national question in the Russian Federation itself, it goes back to the times of the erroneous national policy on the part of the Bolsheviks during the formation of the USSR, when the Bolshevik-Leninists divided the territory of Ingushetia on the basis of the so-called. "titular" nationality and divided the Russian people into Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. And at the same time, Lenin demanded that the Great Russians be removed from the bodies of Soviet power on a national basis.

Therefore, Ukrainians are in no way a nationality, but the belonging of people of different nationalities to their place of residence or citizenship. It's like a Russian as a citizen of the Russian Federation, or a Muscovite, a Petersburger, a Volzhan, a Siberian, a Baltic, etc.

During the population census in 1922, during the creation of the USSR and the policy of Ukrainization of the Ukrainian SSR, Poles and Lithuanians recorded themselves as Ukrainians in the column "nationality". Jews and some Russians because it opened their careers in the state bodies of the Soviet government.
At the same time, during the census of the population and the policy of the Bolsheviks of the Ukrainianization of the Ukrainian SSR, many Russians were rewritten into Ukrainians by force.

[Svarog]

As for the national question itself in the Russian Federation, it goes back to the times of the erroneous national policy on the part of the Bolsheviks during the formation of the USSR,

This is a liberal cliché .. The policy was correct. But Khrushchev, when he got hold of power, put Bandera in the leading positions, who began to quietly pursue a nationalist policy .. which slowly and surely sharpened Ukrainian society .. basically, I must say in the western part .. since about 9 ml. people in Ukraine were Russians ..
The national question is always raised when the centralized government is weak .. and not only outside of Russia, but also in Russia itself.
As for the "erroneous" policy .. then on this topic, Spitsyn has a very interesting interview .. In many ways, this was a forced measure to create an empire .. do not forget in what state the Bolsheviks got RI .. thanks to this policy, managed to create an empire that went through three wars and won and not only won, but also created the second economy in the world, advanced science and education, and the country's nuclear shield ..
To call it a mistake, one can only call what happened under Khrushche and beyond .. everything that happened before that created the foundation of the strongest state in the world ..
And once again ... under any government in Russia, when the center is weak, the national question always pops up. So this is not the mistake of the Bolsheviks, but the weakness of Moscow.

Therefore, Ukrainians are in no way a nationality, but the belonging of people of different nationalities to their place of residence or citizenship. It's like a Russian as a citizen of the Russian Federation, or a Muscovite, a Petersburger, a Volzhan, a Siberian, a Baltic, etc.

here certainly ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: varog (Vladimir)
This is a liberal cliché .. The policy was correct... But Khrushchev, when he seized power, <...>
As for the "erroneous" policy .. then on this topic, Spitsyn has a very interesting interview .. In many ways, it was a forced measure to create an empire .. do not forget in what state the Bolsheviks got RI .. thanks to this policy, it was possible to create an empire that went through three wars and won and not only won, but also created the second economy in the world, advanced science and education, and the country's nuclear shield ..

This is not a liberal cliché, but a philosophical-analytical calculation from the standpoint of the dialectical-materialist method. And Spitsin has a limited view of the metaphysicist of the professional historian on this national historical problem. He sees only what lies on the surface. Spitsin does not notice that the Russian question has been formed and has existed in the country since 1917. Namely
In m / l. theory, there is the most perfect philosophical method of cognition - the dialectical-materialistic method - which must be able not only to use, but also to be able to develop it. I, in particular, include in this method as a logical principle also the universal law of isomerism, since this law acts on only in nature, but also in society.
REFERENCE. According to the law of isomerism in chemistry, the same is true in its chem. the composition of a substance changes its physical properties if the atoms in the molecule are interchanged.

In the same way - according to the law of isomerism - the geopolitical essence of Russia as a primordially Russian multinational state changed, when the Bolshevik-Trotskyist-Leninists, at the request of their Western curators, not only administratively divided the territory of the former Republic of Ingushetia on the principle of the so-called. The "titular" nationality, but also the state-forming power in the country, was transferred exclusively to national minorities, categorically excluding - by order of Lenin - from all bodies of Soviet power all Great Russians.

TOTAL Together with Vel. Oct social. By the revolution, in 1917, from a historically formed state of the primordially Russian people, which absorbed other small peoples under its patronage and protection, it turned into a state of NATIONAL MINORITIES. Those. in Russia, not only did a geopolitical nationalist coup d'etat take place, but at the same time national titular formations on the territory Russia turned into a colonial, Russophobic METROPOLIS "from above", to which, as a colonial people for exploitation, the Zionists-Trotskyists handed over the Russian people to their unauthorized use.

Thus, since 1917, the Russian question existed and still exists in the USSR and in the Russian Federation. Does the Russian people have the right to their statehood and where is the land of the Russians for this?
In particular, the pro-Western pro-Westerner Navalny was parasitizing at one time.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Tatiana

Russia not only underwent a geopolitical nationalist coup, but at the same time, national titular formations on the territory of Russia turned into colonial, Russophobic METROPOLIES "from above", to which the Zionists-Trotskyists handed over the Russian people to their unauthorized use as a colonial people for exploitation.

Wow! I just flinched, fucking! coolly worded. He lived in the Magadan region, a small village, local Orochi nationality, there are 100-200 people there, and the cultural program in the district recreation center is 50 percent for them, of which ... and in the area there are 25 thousand people. Russians and other visitors. The only consolation is that the gold that is mined there still goes to Russia.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Svarog

As for the "erroneous" policy .. then on this topic, Spitsyn has a very interesting interview .. In many ways, this was a forced measure to create an empire .. do not forget in what state the Bolsheviks got RI .. thanks to this policy, managed to create an empire that went through three wars and won and not only won, but also created the second economy in the world, advanced science and education, and the country's nuclear shield ..

Spitsyn in this regard, too, does not agree on everything and shields the Bolsheviks and their supporters - the Communists. Namely.

The development of Soviet Russia - the first socialist in the world. State was twofold - CONFLICT - character.
On the one hand, Russian people who believed in a communist. the idea of ​​the Bolshevik-Leninists, and. being the bearer of a DOMINANT, and not a small-town-outskirts national mentality, on all fronts of the public. construction really created socialism within the entire country as its entire multinational. Homeland. In principle, he had nothing left to do.
But at the same time, on the other hand, in the former tsarist nat. outskirts, where feudal relations and their own nat. the proletariat was absent (there were no bearers of the proletarian mentality there), power from the Bolshevik-Leninists and under their control received the petty national bourgeoisie and former local feudal lords.
National industry was built by the hands of Russian and Russian-speaking peoples.
In this case, everything that was created truly national for the years of the Council. power in the once backward tsarist nat. suburbs - it is only the local national party and Soviet bureaucracy, as well as the national creative intelligentsia that serves it (social scientists, writers, artists, etc.).
This nat. The party and Soviet bureaucracy and the intelligentsia objectively retained the national bourgeois-feudal mentality not only in relation to their own working people, but also in relation to those who, in their opinion, came to “hunch the Russians” up to the time of the so-called Gorbachev “new thinking”.

TOTAL National problems in the USSR were not only from the very beginning of Soviet power, but also had a national-bourgeois class character in relation to the Russian people. And the counter-bourgeois coup of 1991 in the USSR as a whole only, like a time bomb, raised from the bottom to the surface the already existing national-bourgeois deformations during the construction of socialism in Russia, which the Soviet leadership tried not to publicize.

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

Do you at least understand what it means to "see beyond your nose and work long distance"?

All so-called. foreign "labor" migrants from the near abroad distort the Russian labor market with low skill

Only now did I manage to read your devastating criticism. I'm on my shoulder blades.
First, if you want to communicate in a constructive way, reduce your pressure. There is no need to aggravate me for the fact that I do not want the natives of Ukraine to be strangers to Russians.
You should also not doubt the thinking abilities of a person, hitherto unknown to you, in correspondence with whom you entered for the first time. This is not logical, and it even sounds bad form.
I am not praising migration policy in any way. And I think that it has the wrong priorities. It can and should serve as an instrument of not only domestic but also foreign policy.
And here it depends on the tasks and goals for the future. Do we see Ukraine of the future as a friendly state, or do we believe that we have given it up to be mocked by the Bandera regime and into colonial dependence on the West forever?
I believe that the first option is most in the interests of Russia. So we must proceed from the fact that there is a long and painstaking work in this direction.
Your logic is clear and familiar to me.
It has a right to exist. But not for the Russian Empire. The empire is always built on special relations between the peoples inhabiting it. These special relationships always have a supranational unifying character.
Your idea is the idea of ​​seclusion, isolation and eventually splitting into small estates. Because it will lead to the loss of the meaning of the existence of the state in its imperial incarnation.
As a result, theses:
- jobs for migrant workers and migrants, first of all, should be provided for peoples who are close in spirit, culture, traditions, historical roots. limit the inflow from cf. Asia if there is such a need.
this is the very concern for the Russian people that you pedaled. because it is extremely difficult to replenish it quantitatively due to the influx of representatives of unrelated nationalities.
- jobs in general, as such, quantitatively and qualitatively, are formed primarily by a competent economic and vocational education policy. this is the investment field where you need to invest.
During the Great Depression, states focused not on restricting immigration, but on building infrastructure.
for now. all good.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Flood

I am not praising migration policy in any way.

Novodlom, take off my hat.

Quote: Flood

And here it depends on the tasks and goals for the future. Do we see Ukraine of the future as a friendly state, or do we believe that we have given it up to be mocked by the Bandera regime and into colonial dependence on the West forever?

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

China has introduced a system in which there are no foreign "labor" migrants, but the well-being of the Chinese is only growing.

comparison with China with its XNUMX billion population, to put it mildly, is not correct.
by no criteria.
China was building industry for its growing population, creating jobs for it.
at this time, Russia with its strong industry was deprived of capacity, and the population was diminishing.
how can you draw parallels?
that is, I do not forbid you. but is it reasonable?

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Tatiana

Leading to a reduction in the number of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation - and above all of the Russian and Russian-speaking people and population as a state of the forming people.

Your listing contains signs of a subconscious desire to protect Russian speakers. But there are also many Russian-speaking migrant workers from Ukraine. Do the RF need them?

Quote: Tatiana

Do you at least understand what it means to "see beyond your nose and work long distance"?

Everything here rests on what you consider to be a blessing for the Russian Federation and what is not.
If you do not work with your neighbors, let alone close yourself off from your neighbors, then enemies of the Russian Federation will work with them. And you see the result today in almost all the republics of the former USSR. From anti-Russian Ukraine and the Baltic states to riots in Belarus. Is this really good for the Russian Federation?
More than sure not. Because further work begins with the adjacent regions of the Russian Federation. And this work is aimed at separating these territories from the Russian Federation. The West wants to do the same with the Russian Federation as it did with the USSR. This is called long work.
Think: What can the Russian Federation oppose to this work? Is what the Russian Federation is doing today enough to prevent a disintegration scenario?
After all, if the disintegration of the Russian Federation occurs, then the "Russian and Russian-speaking people and population" will have such hard times that they may disappear altogether. As in the Asian republics.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hlavaty

Everything here rests on what you consider to be a blessing for the Russian Federation and what is not.
If you do not work with your neighbors, let alone close yourself off from your neighbors, then enemies of the Russian Federation will work with them. And you see the result today in almost all the republics of the former USSR. From anti-Russian Ukraine and the Baltic states to riots in Belarus. Is this really good for the Russian Federation?

There are enemies of Russia in Russia itself. And the national question is far from last.
First, in the Russian Federation, it is necessary to solve the Russian question and put an end to chauvinism and separatism on the part of national minorities in state power in the Russian Federation itself, as the post-Soviet Russophobic legacy of the Bolsheviks. Namely

In order for a multinational country to be strong in its unity, it is necessary to have a DUSTER people in it.
A POWERFUL people in a multinational state is not just a state formed by the people, but also a SELF-SUFFICIENT people, both in terms of their population, both economically and militarily to protect the territory of their WHOLE multinational country - i.e. for the protection and well-being of all small peoples inhabiting it. Those. in order to DEFINITELY carry out the tasks of protection and development of its entire MULTINATIONAL State.
And the small peoples do not have such an opportunity in principle. Therefore, they - unlike the Russians - in the same Russia behave Russophobic-separatist, i.e. behave from the standpoint of their national political privileges in their administrative-territorial-national "METROPOLIA" as their separately-nationally taken "apartment" in relation to the rest of CENTRAL Russia and colonially to the entire Russian people.
And to share power and their subsidized economy - especially under capitalism - with the state that forms the RUSSIAN people, who are STRONG in its mentality, the national-SHOVENISTS of small peoples in the country's leadership do not want and will not.
Moreover, in connection with such a nationally Russophobic policy, ethnically Russian migrants are not generally welcomed by the authorities of the Russian Federation and in Russia itself.
Therefore, Russophobic national-chauvinist representatives will have to somehow be forcibly removed from power in the country, as Stalin was forced to do in 1937-1938.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: Tatiana

First, the Russian question needs to be resolved in the Russian Federation

Nobody will give time for gradual problem solving. Moreover, the decision had to be made the day before yesterday - time is not working for the Russian Federation, because while the Russian Federation is "concentrating" the West is actively working and achieving real results.
So the desire to build a sequence of "what to decide first, and what then" is unrealistic: "later" may not come.

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

In order for a multinational country to be strong in its unity, it is necessary to have a DUSTER people in it.
A POWERFUL people in a multinational state is not just a state formed by the people, but also a SELF-SUFFICIENT people, both in terms of the size of their population, both economically and militarily to protect the territory of their WHOLE multinational country

Do not see you at the root, Tatyana.
They wrote a lot about the sovereign people, not understanding the essence. Why is he so sovereign? How did he get like this?
Only understanding this will help preserve that very statehood.

[Tatyana]

This you do not understand about the statehood. If Russians are tolerant of the Russophobia of national minorities, then representatives of national minorities treat Russians Russophobic with infringement of their political rights. You are simply not an ethnic Russian by nationality, or you do not live in the Russian Federation - in the same, for example, Ukraine.

In historically primordially Russian Russia, political power, since 1917, has not belonged to the Great Russians so much that they, Russians, are not only unable to defend their civil rights "above" politically, but even to stutter about them! But in order to protect their national rights, the Russian people as a state forming the people must have their own political structures, as is the case with national minorities, and be protected by the Constitution of the Russian Federation. However, this not only does not exist, but, unfortunately, it comes to the point that the Central Bank of Russia declared that there is NO Russian people in the country at all and the Central Bank will not allocate money for its ethnic development, contrary to the decree of the government of the Russian Federation. And who, in the national ethnic sense, Nabiulina, Siluanov, Kudrin, Gref, Ulyukaev and others are representatives of the financial and economic government block in our country? To whom and for what do they allocate finance for development?

Now the Russian people are "DERZHAVEN" only in their semi-preserved historical mentality - in the sense that they are ready to defend their historical land, their people and other peoples in multinational Russia. But the Russians in Russia, since 1917, are DISCONTINUED in fact politically powerless. Namely.
Russians, in comparison with the representatives of national minorities, DO NOT HAVE their own national-state representation in power in order to defend their political interests on an equal basis with other peoples. Russians are not even mentioned in the RF Constitution. And any reviving Russian national self-identification in the minds of the Russian people in practice is reduced by the authorities, in fact, either to its suppression by the "top" by Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, or by propagandistic suggestion to the Russians and the Russian people, including false historical representations of the Bolsheviks - at the suggestion of Lenin - allegedly about the "historical DUTY of the Russian people before the national minorities" for the tsarist era and the obligation to sacrifice oneself for the sake of other peoples to the detriment of oneself, or rather, for the sake of another national oligarchy and those who support them.
And why is it for the sake of Lenin considered the ethnic Russian proletarian or peasant a second-class person compared to the same proletarian or peasant of non-Russian nationality ?! Where is Lenin here with his "PROLETARIAN INTERNATIONALISM" with his "equality", "freedom" and "brotherhood" ?! Where did it all go with the Bolsheviks and why? Why do you not notice this contradiction in the ideology and politics of the Bolsheviks? The collapse of the USSR according to the so-called. the administrative-territorial basis of the "titular" nationality just happened - there is no direct causal relationship ?!
My senior mentor and comrade Begunov Yuri Konstantinovich, historian, linguist and academician of the International Slavic Academy of Sciences, right back in 1995 he wrote:
"The national question is the most important issue of modern geopolitics. It is the one who studies and" saddles "the national question in Russia who will wield the highest power in the country. So far, such a leader has not appeared on the public arena, but he will certainly appear because the country and its people must be saved from genocide.
Most of the country's population suffers from genocide - Russians, of whom 83% in the Russian Federation (120 million people out of 147 million). Meanwhile, Russians are powerless, deprived of means of subsistence and have no political power; in other words, it is, as it were, in a state of foreign occupation. It takes almost 80 years.
The twentieth century - the most aggressive and cruel in Russian history - cost the Russian people 110 million lives, who died in wars and from the terror of the authorities; now 25 million Russians live in the CIS countries in a state of violent national dispersal; more than 20 million Russians have become lifelong emigrants who have left their homeland forever. At the end of the twentieth century, the Russian people should have totaled 300 million, but this did not happen. And all this because the Russian national question has not been resolved in the country. The rich long-suffering Motherland of Russians, stretching from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific Ocean, has not turned for the Russian people into the Promised Land, where they could live and prosper hand in hand with other nations. "

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

You are simply not an ethnic Russian by nationality, or you do not live in the Russian Federation - in the same, for example, Ukraine.

I will find time - I will unsubscribe in detail.
What you write and how you write gives off such terry small-town farmsteadiness that I wonder how you can miss it.
Instead of multiplying huge slogans with slogans, you would simply react point by point to my earlier comments.
I'm not even talking about the monstrous tactlessness of this phrase. Behave yourself properly. I am a citizen of Russia, is that enough for you, citizen prosecutor?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flood

I'm not even talking about the monstrous tactlessness of this phrase. Behave yourself properly. I am a citizen of Russia, is that enough for you, citizen prosecutor?

No, not enough.
First of all. As I see my opponent, I speak so honestly about it.
Second. Since when has a conversation-question with a person about his nationality - is he Russian or not Russian - and about his citizenship - a "tactless" question ?! Where does such a touchy "secrecy" come from? Where is your national openness and ideological honesty, that you avoid a full discussion of the national problem on the issue of foreign "labor" migration in Russia?
Third, for the sake of objectivity. In the art of polemics, it is natural that if the positions of opponents when looking at the problem fundamentally differ, then it is the information about which particular socio-political "bell tower" each of them sees this problem for himself personally helps to understand the positions of those discussing in society - that is, ... why everyone subjectively sees the problem in this way, and not otherwise - so that opponents with understanding draw their conclusions about each other. I have expressed my final assumption about you. What grudges can you have?

Quote: Flood

I will find time - I will unsubscribe in detail.

If you cannot oppose me honestly, openly and COMPLETELY for the sake of a mutual search for truth, then answer me in a personal. Although I do not insist on this. Otherwise, we'll just finish this conversation in the comments here.
In principle, everything is clear to me about you, although I could be mistaken. And if for Vaspoisk of truth it is already becoming toxic, then you should not continue this conversation in a personal.
Good luck to you!

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

At first. As I see my opponent, I speak so honestly about it.

Between "honestly speaking" and "what came to mind, then I give out to the mountain" a kind of considerable canyon, where all ideas about culture and ethics of communication have collapsed.
Well, since you decided to voluntarily take on the role of a non-commissioned officer's widow and whip yourself, then if you please.
Your small-town view of Russian statehood and the role and place of the Russian people has nothing to do with reality. I don’t presume to judge whether it is a matter of ignorance of Russian history, or inability to look into the essence of historical events. But your reasoning about the statehood of the Russian people can be safely broadcast to any other people. For example, Estonian.
Because you do not understand what the people are - the bearers of the imperial spirit.

Quote: Tatiana

Secondly. Since when has a conversation-question with a person about his nationality - is he Russian or not Russian - and about his citizenship - has become a "tactless" question ?! Where did such a touchy "secrecy" come from?

Since when has the distribution of diagnoses become a question of nationality? Don't wait and wag.
You wrote the following to a stranger

Quote: Tatiana

You are simply not an ethnic Russian by nationality, or you do not live in the Russian Federation - in the same, for example, Ukraine.

Now write that this is a normal conversation within the framework of our discussion. And I say no. You are behaving abnormally. Because:
1. In a normal discussion, you can talk about facts, you can prove your rightness logically, but you cannot find proof of your rightness in the ethnicity of the interlocutor. Especially when you don't know her, but suck her out from under your nail.
2. The very format of the discussion on the forum assumes that the commentators are largely anonymous. Here, passport details are not required from anyone to express their point of view.
3. If you have already decided that the purity of blood and belonging to the Russian nation are so important in this matter, then, in fairness, first confirm your right to an objective judgment. Prove that you are Russian and live in Russia, since this is so important to you.
4. In a conversation of equals, a cultured person will ask his counterpart about the details and details that interest him, which he does not know about his interlocutor.

Quote: Tatiana

... I have expressed my final assumption about you.

Substantiate your "final guess". How is this possible?
How can a guess be final?
A priori guess is an intermediate link in a logical chain of conclusions.
O poor widow of a non-commissioned officer, stop whipping yourself!

Quote: Tatiana

If you cannot, for the sake of mutual search for truth, oppose me honestly, openly and COMPLETELY

What makes you think that I can't? Where did you see my dishonesty and lack of openness?
Why did my phrase that I will answer in detail when I have it at that time so excited you?

You have disappointed me to the point of impossibility.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Flood

But your reasoning about the statehood of the Russian people can be safely broadcast to any other people. For example, Estonian.

That is why the national chauvinists and small-town from rural areas Estonians "DEADLY" withdrew from the USSR, and now in Estonia they have "State" apartheid in relation to the Russians is developing!

It was not at all the POWER of small-town Estonians in Soviet times, but it was precisely the separatism of the small-town national-Estonians of the Estonian SSR from the USSR and the Nazism of modern Estonians with the policy of apartheid towards the Russian people in their still multinational state. This has nothing to do with genuine statehood. The sovereign people take care of all peoples on an equal footing in their multinational country. So you don’t need to push your nationalist Estonian lime tree into my head.
During the Soviet era, the Baltics became a showcase for the economic well-being of the Soviet people in the USSR. The entire Soviet people worked for the Baltic republics. The Balts pumped themselves out - and piled off all their Soviet compatriots from the Soviet Union.

Everything else you have is pure demagoguery. I am not even going to comment on it and will not.

[Flooding]

Quote: Tatiana

Everything else you have is pure demagoguery. I am not even going to comment on it and will not.

You are mistaken in thinking that I will continue to oppose the arguments of reason to your inimitable logic.
What you have just written is of no interest to me, because it is not new. Find someone younger for your teachings.
You yourself have already written everything.
If you think you have the right to talk about Russian statehood, prove your involvement in the Russian ethnos. Because your reasoning is at the level of a resident of a limitrophe country.
This is your logic.
Keep whipping yourself if you like it.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hlavaty

Your listing contains signs of a subconscious desire to protect Russian speakers. But there are also many Russian-speaking migrant workers from Ukraine. Do the RF need them?

The Russian labor market has long been overflowing with low-skilled foreign "labor" migrants, who have crowded out domestic workers both in terms of dumping wages and social obligations to workers. The majority of Russian workers are marginalized due to actual unemployment in the domestic labor market and the deformed influx of foreign migrants (they leave their profession, lose their qualifications). Only civil servants and state employees keep afloat in the country. The rest of the working Russian population will, most likely, in the near future without any pension and social services at all.

And how foreign labor migrants mostly work, I know very well. Especially in construction. They have no working conscience. Migrants come to the Russian Federation to grab exactly, take on any work without qualifications and with fake documents about the profession, quietly leave the employer right and left with his own tools and materials, quietly shirk from work, etc.

On the bourgeois liberalism of the government of the Russian Federation and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and unemployment for Russians, see the video from 17:00 min. until 27:00 min.
Worse than the pension reform. How will Medvedev's new initiative turn out? Mikhail Delyagin. Published: September 29, 2019.

[Hlavaty]

I still do not understand your answer to the question "Does the Russian Federation need Russian-speaking guest workers?"
It seems that they are not needed.

[Tatyana]

Guest workers - they are guest workers, foreign workers who sell their labor abroad in pursuit of honest and dishonest earnings - by any means!
This policy of globalists of using foreign labor migrants is aimed at replacing the indigenous population in countries receiving foreign "labor" migrants. It is aimed at eroding, weakening and destroying nation states. Including Russia.

Guest workers come not so much to work as to get rich, selling dearly their alleged labor or just hack. And if a war breaks out in Russia, then with the same success the migrant workers will side with the aggressor - if only they were paid well.
So it was in the 1917 revolution.

For instance. Chinese guest workers working on the construction of a railway in the same St. Petersburg, quickly resold to the side of the Bolsheviks, because the Bolsheviks paid them much more for their services. Namely: 1) they received 15 rudders a day from the Bolsheviks, 2) they had to select and take away foodstuffs and everything of value from the Bolsheviks arriving at the stations with food in hungry Petrograd, and the rest could be left and left yourself. Those. robbed the people in a black way - to their underpants. Those who resisted were simply shot on the spot. Rich gentlemen, extracting money and hidden goods from them in their apartments, they tortured with savage torture in Chinese: They stripped the men naked, tied them to the table - a member was put into the opening of a cage with a rat hungry and mad with thirst and fear, which ate a person alive. I won't go into details.
Chinese migrant workers lived at that time on a grand scale - they had everything: food, drink, clothes, mansions and women.
And remember the Czechoslovak Corps, hired by Kolchak to guard the royal gold! How they robbed the local population for 2 years before stealing a train with royal gold to the Japanese.

Observing the work of modern guest workers at a construction site in St. Petersburg, I will say that they will act in the same way.
Guest workers are SALES and unprincipled people. Their goal is enrichment in any way. And they believe that they are robbing Russia by right, because Russia owes them already since 1917!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hlavaty

But there are also many Russian-speaking migrant workers from Ukraine. Do the RF need them?

They are ALL (!) Russian-speaking. If they do not speak literary Russian, then they do not speak literary Ukrainian either, and they never spoke it. They spoke "SURZHIK" - Russian with a touch of Ukrainian.
And what does it mean - needed - not needed? Do you need us?

[fruc]

Why shouldn't thousands of people of a completely different culture and language be compared with millions of representatives of a kindred people?

Are you serious about this kindred people? No comment.

[Flooding]

Quote: frruc

Why shouldn't thousands of people of a completely different culture and language be compared with millions of representatives of a kindred people?

Are you serious about this kindred people? No comment.

If you understand correctly what it was about.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

How many tens of thousands of Germans has Russia Russified?

So they were in our culture, lived side by side with us and for more than one decade
These live apart and do not accept anything of ours, they only spit in our direction.
Opposite me are two hostels. Looked at

[Flooding]

Quote: Lipchanin

These live apart and do not accept anything of ours, they only spit in our direction.
Opposite me are two dorms

what are you talking about, my friend?
about German hostels in Russia?
or about Turkish hostels in Germany?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

about German hostels in Russia?

About the Sumerians
We kind of "son" talk about them

[Flooding]

Quote: Lipchanin

About the Sumerians
We kind of "son" talk about them

Well, that's not good. I didn't quote my friend))
and your example is, to put it mildly, strange.
Russia is full of Ukrainians and lives and works, with and without Russian citizenship.
maybe you have an abnormal zone?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

do you have an abnormal zone?

Nope.
80 percent of these guest workers, normal guys
The rest, according to the same guys, are frank Banderlogists.

[Flooding]

Quote: Lipchanin

80 percent of these guest workers, normal guys
The rest, according to the same guys, are frank Banderlogists.

so you propose to turn away from 80%?
I do not catch the thought.

[Xnumx vis]

[quote = Lipchanin] [quote = Navodlom] do you have an anomalous zone? [/ quote]
Nope.
80 percent of these guest workers, normal guys
The rest, according to the same guys, are frank Banderlog. [/ Quote And how many of our frank Banderlog, our natural hares? I will answer you. Ten to twenty percent. What's the difference?

[sniperino]

Quote: aars

To return all the migrant workers to Ukraine.

They feed themselves and their families. They are also doing something useful for Russia. In their place are Tajiks, or who to take? It is necessary to remove the enemies here pointwise, not squares.

[Flooding]

Quote: sniperino

They feed themselves and their families. They are also doing something useful for Russia. In their place are Tajiks, or who to take? It is necessary to remove the enemies here pointwise, not squares.

+ + +

[aars]

Why not Tajiks ?!
We do not have any enmity with Tajikistan, and in the foreseeable future there has not been.
I, if anything, worked in a Tajik brigade (between the shift, an electrician, the staff member got sick) and everything is fine, they didn't swear ...

[Reiter]

I will tell you that the situation with Ukraine is more complicated than with the Tajiks. Some of the residents - this one is really simple and there are Russians who have actually found themselves under the washing of power since 1991, and it is not a fact that by the will of fate, who suddenly found themselves on the territory of Ukraine, would not become the same Svidomo. These are the Russians and the so-called Ukrainians - one people and the fact that part of the Ukrainians go over to the side of the DPR and part of the ethnic Russians for the nationalist Ukraine (a vivid example of Klimkin-Chugunkin) only proves this, this is a struggle of ideas and whoever turned out to be stronger here won. If you listen to you, soon, as with Islamic terrorism, Russia itself will be stabbed from the inside on the right and wrong, and already within its various ethnic groups will be generated (they will come up with some Siberians, the SGA has a list of oppressed peoples from the USSR, which includes, for example, the Cossacks , they don't touch him now, and then they will get it when Ukraine is finally taken away. Your policy only plays into the hands of the Washington Regional Committee. They divide up and want to continue to rule. So it's better to fight this fight for people while on the outskirts, to train in art there struggle for the people, then it will be convincing for its citizens not to think about “Western values.” They are partly reducing Russia, historical Russia, fighting with Russia on its territory and at the expense of it. Tajiks should not be repelled either, but they are all- they were not historical Russia, and tomorrow they can either turn into Turks or into Chinese.

[aars]

The demonization of Ukraine and its adherents, as well as a critical attitude towards the passive part of Ukrainians who support the regime, should not be based on bored postulates a la Rostislav Ishchenko (they will freeze there, die, scatter, Ukraine will fall apart, etc.), but on irreconcilable hatred of fascism (as the central idea of ​​today's Ukraine) in any of its manifestations, whether it be skinhead stormtroopers or a passive silent majority.

From a recent good article from this site.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: sniperino

In their place are Tajiks, or who to take?

There are people on the site who do not hire residents of the outskirts

[boriz]

Those who do not want to fight in the Donbas fled to us. And they are normal hardworking people. You definitely don't feed them. It is necessary to check the arrivals in the current mode, yes.
But if they were kicked out, where would they go? To the ATO, to Poland? And so the next generation will be 100% Russian people. And the fugitives themselves were completely normal.

[aars]

No, no, no, no again!
We feed them, we give them work!
The population is extremely negative about these runners.
An acquaintance of mine, an administrator in the IT department, told how they all went to their bosses, threatened to quit if they were taken.
They are lowering the salary bar.

[Snusmumrik]

And Tajiks do not reduce salary ??? Contradict yourself. And then, the ideological policy among the neighboring people and the momentary salary are things of a different scale, and they do not always have to coincide.

[aars]

Tajiks occupy their own niche in construction.
Everything is already settled.
There is still ...
PS: many remember the priority of ideology, when any blacks left our property, as soon as they fart about socialism.
No, you don't need to.

[boriz]

aars, as I understand it, you are from Moscow?

[aars]

No, and never was.

[Svarog]

Quote: aars

Do you propose to feed the enemies from our land ?!

Besides enemies, there are just people. Who want to live a normal life. And they will be made enemies faster at home .. when, due to a lack of funds for food, they will be forced to become mercenaries ..

[aars]

Quote: Svarog

Who want to live a normal life.

And our citizens do not want to live normally?
Your logic is completely perverted - give your wife to your uncle, and go ... far away.

[Non liberoid Russian]

how close you are

[mark1]

Quote: Flood

one of the few effective countermeasures

The big question is whether it is opposing, or is the ambush regiment being formed in the rear ...

[Flooding]

Quote: mark1

The big question is whether it is opposing, or is the ambush regiment being formed in the rear ...

An even bigger question is what will become of the Russians who have turned their backs on the fraternal peoples. What will become of Russia, which has ceased to continue its imperial policy.

[mark1]

However, tsarist Russia did not pursue its imperial policy at the expense of the Russian people.

[Flooding]

Quote: mark1

However, tsarist Russia did not pursue its imperial policy at the expense of the Russian people.

and who suggests doing something to the detriment?
understand that there is no black and white in politics. you always have to balance between and choose the lesser of evils.
however, as in life. but in the life of ordinary people, mistakes do not entail such large-scale consequences.
therefore, yes, realizing that the enemies can and will definitely use this, it is necessary to treat the people of Ukraine in a friendly and brotherly manner, with all that it implies.

[mark1]

Quote: Flood

understand that there is no black and white in politics.

Yes, I don't give a damn about what is and what is not in politics ... The main thing in politics should be good for YOUR people. If someone wants to receive benefit at the expense of Russia, let him become OUR people.

[Flooding]

Quote: mark1

Yes, I don't give a damn about what is and what is not in politics ... The main thing in politics should be good for YOUR people. If someone wants to receive benefit at the expense of Russia, let him become OUR people.

contradict yourself.
let him become our people, but I will not let him in to me.
all the best.

[mark1]

Quote: Flood

all the best.

And for you more ...
There is not any contradiction - entered the family of the peoples of Russia live and enjoy the benefits. If you are a citizen of a hostile state, then at least there should be a list of restrictions on work that you can be allowed to work and restrictions on the rights that you can use in the "aggressor country".

[Reiter]

Not stupid Turks, for example, consider Azerbaijanis as their people. This is how they grow. And in our country, Russians in Ukraine are already considered not their own people, only 1991, remote from Russia, just PPC. I am sure that now in power we have significantly fewer idiots and deliberate pests who are already useful for the West than in the 90s.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

treat the people of Ukraine in a friendly and brotherly manner,

After that? I can not

[Flooding]

Quote: Lipchanin

After that? I can not

I mean the people, and you mean the selection of the people from the people.
so we will definitely not understand each other.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

I mean the people, and you mean the selection of the people from the people.

And this is not the people?
Do they live separately?
Do they serve in another army?
Does it make a difference to you who will drag you to the gilyak?
Look who jumps, mostly young.
And you want to re-educate them? Yes, they have a very genetic level inherent that Russia is a mortal enemy

[Flooding]

Quote: Lipchanin

Does it make a difference to you who will drag you to the gilyak?

and huge.
if they are good people, then I am a scoundrel.
c if geeks, it means I'm not so bad.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mark1

However, tsarist Russia did not pursue its imperial policy at the expense of the Russian people.

You are mistaken. Take the trouble to look at tax and other benefits, for example, for Finland and Poland within the Russian Empire.
Yes, and with a state system there it was allowed to have a much more democratic than in the metropolis.

[mark1]

And what was it at the expense of the Russian people? These were just territories alien to the metropolis and having a purely defensive significance, therefore they were allowed to cook in their own juice, so that they would not be very rowdy.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: mark1

And what was it at the expense of the Russian people?

And for whose? At the expense of the one who paid more taxes.

[sniperino]

Quote: mark1

Tsarist Russia did not pursue its imperial policy at the expense of the Russian people.

The imperial policy is carried out due to the fact that gradually representatives of different peoples become Russians, without losing their ethnic roots, from which no one forced them to give up. Taking care of the purity of blood is not in the Russian tradition; it is in spirit, in culture.

[Snusmumrik]

The imperial policy is carried out due to the fact that gradually representatives of different peoples become Russians,

Not Russians. You can't make a Tatar or a Yakut a Russian. Become Russians. An empire must generate a supranational identity.

[aars]

Quote: Snusmumrik

An empire must generate a supranational identity.

That's it!
Zadolbali already - "the Russian people, the Russian people" ...
Probably it comes from Moscow, like all other trash, for example, Westernism, etc.
There are citizens and there are foreigners.
Nationality is important, but in the context of interstate relations, citizens of hostile states have nothing to do with us.
And we have enough examples of normal interethnic relations - come to Surgut, Raduzhny, Vartovsk - whoever is not there ...
And it is precisely on them that the whole of Russia rests, not on some depressive Oryol region, no - on oil.
I inform those who want to call them "Selyuk" - I myself am a real Russian, in any case the environment and myself consider me as such.

[sniperino]

Quote: Snusmumrik

Tatar or Yakut cannot be made Russian

Have you heard about Derzhavin, Karamzin, Turgenev, Kuprin, etc.? Are their names mistakenly attributed to Russian culture? Aksakov is generally a Slavophile. Shoigu is not Russian? They do not need to be done on purpose, we must not interfere with their creation; this is the essence of imperial politics.

[Snusmumrik]

Have you heard about Derzhavin, Karamzin, Turgenev, Kuprin, etc.? Are their names mistakenly attributed to Russian culture? Aksakov is generally a Slavophile. Shoigu is not Russian? They do not need to be done on purpose, we must not interfere with their creation; this is the essence of imperial politics.

I have not heard or read that Shoigu called himself Russian. For the rest, all the more I will not say. And why make everyone Russian?

[gridasov]

Absolutely right! A generation brought up on the Chaos and enmity rules in Ukraine. Therefore, one of the most effective methods is to educate a new generation.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Flood

it is one of the few effective tools to counter brainwashing in Ukraine.

Banderlog cannot be corrected. In public they say one thing, but in the hostel they throw their mud at us

[aars]

They are not shy at all.
One of them, on the train, began to talk about "oppression", "Russification", as they like ...
I didn't understand something even at first - it turned out he took me for a "chock"
They do not distinguish us - black hair, dark eyes - it means "chock"!

[BecmepH]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

I do not agree with you.
Today it is, if not the only, then one of the few effective tools for countering brainwashing in Ukraine.
Do you offer to lose it too?

Naive you)) This is a nation of chameleons and opportunists. They smile in your eyes, but you turn and spit in your back. What's wrong?

[aars]

Quote: BecmepH

They smile in your eyes, but you turn and spit in your back. What's wrong?

Exactly!
And it's good for them to ride on the ears, there are so many defenders of the Svidomites.

[aars]

Totally agree!
Their work is not enough.

[Alekseev]

"Your work is not enough"
Here we must perish, we must support those Ukrainians who are against banderlogy and mercilessly drive the Svidomites. Did he "let loose", for example, anti-Russian propaganda? A fine and a ban on entry to Russia, even with a patent, or without.
And the work on which they work, basically, there are enough migrant workers.
The problem is that nowadays there is a shortage of citizens who want and can work with their hands.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Alekseev

Here we must perish, we must support those Ukrainians who are against banderlogy and mercilessly drive the Svidomites.

I agree with you. At least the ATO participants - to block the path to Russia forever!

[Snusmumrik]

Declare war criminals and catch them on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[VORON538]

Moreover, in relation to citizens of the neighboring country, it is also necessary to monitor their pages in social networks. He allows him to make hostile statements against Russia - let him stay on the other side of the border with Russia!

[aars]

The problem is that today there is a shortage of its citizens who want and can work with their hands

Dill in this respect is no better than Russians.
It’s even the opposite.

[three]

Again - "perish", "wider, to people softer". When would you be so worried about Russians? When will they talk for days not about Ukrainian beggars, but about Kostroma or Bryansk land? You already got it with your tolerant-strategic approaches: 30 years - I can't see a breath, only worse, but they took care of the Moldovan-Armenians here, I'll pay now ... Send all the Nightingale-Mikheevs for materials to Yakutia and Volgograd, Mordovia and Pskov - and let them go on for months about OUR problems, talkers, idlers ... (and don't - "thanks to EP for our stable existence!")

[aars]

Here some kind of ukrozapovednik, so many minuses dill instructed.
It’s hot in one place, in bantustan it’s a little tough to work ...

[figwam]

Russia has expanded economic sanctions against Ukraine.

Everything is in the spirit and framework of American democracy)))

[Rubi0]

You have a strange logic, those who work for you are mostly not Ukrainians, but Russians who, due to historical injustice, got the citizenship of Ukraine. It is necessary and necessary to stifle economically, the other day Rosatom agreed to provide gigawatts of electricity to Ukraine, they are freezing, and everyone is talking about it, but it was necessary to kill the raster on all channels so that later the vuiks would not tell how independent they are

[bar]

Quote: Rubi0

It is necessary and necessary to stifle economically

To become like the Banderlog themselves, who, in their wet dreams of the return of territories, strangle the Crimea and the DPR / LPR? You need to be smarter, to work for a long time, and not to reduce everything to momentary animal revenge. In this way, Ukraine cannot be returned, and there is still a chance for this, if all the ends are not cut off.

[Bolt cutter]

it was necessary to kill the raster on all channels so that later the vuiks did not tell how independent they are

So Russia actually owes them So they will think that everything is as it should be. They will also be offended that neither oil nor gas has yet been given to them on account of non-payment debt.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Hunter 2

To return all the migrant workers to Ukraine.

Yes, let them work, but cut off all money transfers to Ukraine, and confiscate those in suitcases at the border.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

It's not about money transfers. Here it is necessary to think more subtly, it seems to me. Look at the Lviv train, at the Kievsky railway station in Moscow. There, most of the Westerners come from our own drilling rigs. For the same money, their kids are dressed in embroidered shirts. Yes, and the Gaster themselves, on the sly, but curse our country. Here you have to think well how to weed out this contingent ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

Well, maybe not all. But those who are running around rallies for unauthorized people, and even yelling "Glory to Ukraine", should be thrown out at 24 hours and put on the black list so that they don't come again.

[smart ass]

Why return them? Let the fee be paid on transfers to Ukraine 30 percent!

[gridasov]

People need to be treated with care. What is the fault of ordinary Ukrainians who strive to live according to their human labor, defending the well-being of families. They are outcasts in Ukraine, and if Russia resists, they will still find a way out

[smart ass]

Are to blame for the fact that they allowed the coming of the criminal power by their action or no less criminal inaction

[gridasov]

I totally agree! But many do not want to see this

[Prisoner]

What for? What would arouse hatred and join the ranks of the frostbitten ones? It is necessary to beat the "elite", and not about ordinary people.

[210ox]

By and large, there are fewer and fewer of these migrant workers only with dill. They are trying to make themselves Russian citizenship. But at the same time not giving up on the Ukrainians. I think that first of all it is necessary to liquidate our second citizenship.

[Alien From]

Such friends to the museum!

[Filing]

You know little about the laws of Russia. The son-in-law was not allowed into Russia in July 2020. To Europe to work, please, not to Russia.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

And it's not destiny to move your brains? Well, you drove them out, and where can they get the money to support their families? That's right - in the army. There is no other job in Ukraine. And they will go to the APU. Are you feeling better? And the LDNR members? But many left for Russia precisely so that they would not be drafted to the Armed Forces.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: 30 vis

It is high time . It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to death

Maybe not to beat? And just to deprive oil products? So that there is nothing to refuel the tanks ...

[gridasov]

Well, here's a sample!

[Cowbra]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And just to deprive oil products?

They will be given fuel for tanks. But the frozen residents - the crowd will rush to us. Poland won't let them in

[Andobor]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And just to deprive oil products?

Where are you from? - wars are going on for sales markets, and this is partly for the same reason,
and you propose to voluntarily surrender their positions - it is good that such people are not allowed close to governing the state in modern Russia.

[210ox]

And what is our sales market in Ukraine? Why do we drive petrochemistry there. Into an openly hostile state? After all, for any matter goes to war.

[Prisoner]

Will our oil sellers agree to this? Money for the capitalist is dearer than his own mother, and then some kind of Donbass and the interests of Russia.

[VORON538]

So dad will help them with oil products, but he will resell ours.

[Professor]

Quote: 30 vis

It is high time . It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to the death.

Why not expand the sanctions against the US and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"? For example, to stop the supply of raw materials for the European industry, including hydrocarbons? First, it is necessary to impose sanctions on the European, American and Japanese auto industries and prohibit the import of their products into the territory of the Russian Federation. And what happens is that they are strangling Russia with sanctions, and in response they stopped directly buying curds from them ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

they are strangling the Russian Federation with sanctions, and in response they stopped buying curd cakes directly from them ...

I have never seen Japanese and American curds. Are they tasty though?

[Professor]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: professor

they are strangling the Russian Federation with sanctions, and in response they stopped buying curd cakes directly from them ...

I have never seen Japanese and American curds. Are they tasty though?

The American ones are good, but the Japanese have an ambush with dairy products. It's not theirs.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: professor

Why not expand sanctions against the United States and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"?

For this, it is necessary to change the economic bloc and remove the traitors from the Central Bank. The henchmen of the IMF, and they play against us. Gold is being sold !!! The IMF, you see, "recommends" not to keep reserves in gold more than 20% ...

[Professor]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: professor

Why not expand sanctions against the United States and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"?

For this, it is necessary to change the economic bloc and remove the traitors from the Central Bank. The henchmen of the IMF, and they play against us. Gold is being sold !!! The IMF, you see, "recommends" not to keep reserves in gold more than 20% ...

They are right. Money should not be kept in gold, but in stocks and bitcoins.

PS
Israel has no gold reserves. Generally.

[askort154]

Professor.... They are right. Money should not be kept in gold, but in stocks and bitcoins.

Bitcoin is the condom for the dollar. How strong is it - a question ?!
Israel has no gold reserves. Generally.
Why would he need it, if 80% of the bankers in the world are Jews.

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor.... They are right. Money should not be kept in gold, but in stocks and bitcoins.

This is a condom from the dollar. How strong is it - the question!
Israel has no gold reserves. Generally.

Why would he need it, if 80% of the bankers in the world are Jews.

Not 80%, but 99%. Lie so lie. And the gold reserve is really not needed.
By July 1, 2019, the value of Russia's gold reserves exceeded $ 100 billion for the first time, and the physical mass of gold reached 2207 tons.
Read more at RBC:
https://quote.rbc.ru/news/article/5ae098a62ae5961b67a1c4ba

Only $ 100 billion and this despite the fact that the massive dumping of gold on the market, its price will fall several times, if not orders of magnitude. For comparison, net profit Apple in 2020 was $ 57.41 billion.

[askort154]

Professor
Not 80%, but 99%. Lie so lie

If you take only in Russia, then there will be all 99%.
(I don’t play with cons)

[Professor]

Quote: askort154

Professor
Not 80%, but 99%. Lie so lie

If you take only in Russia, then there will be all 99%.
(I don’t play with cons)

And here it is not necessary to underestimate. Write 101%. So it will be more confident.

[askort154]

Professor... And here it is not necessary to underestimate. Write 101%. So it will be more confident.

I hope 104% will suit you!

[gridasov]

You don't need to keep money. They have to work. And work efficiently! And you need to keep the key foundations of innovative technologies and develop and trade them. By the way, how do Americans do it

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: professor

Israel has no gold reserve. At all

Moscow also has no gold reserves. And it is almost twice as large in population
What are you comparing? Completely different economic models.

[Bolt cutter]

and bitcoins.

Then it's better in CFA francs. More reliable

[sniperino]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

For this, it is necessary to change the economic bloc and remove the traitors from the Central Bank.

To do this, we need to prepare our opportunities for international trade without the dollar, design a new format for the Central Bank, and then change the leadership of the Central Bank. And so, what's the point?

[Alekseev]

Because, ironic, "dull", that counter-sanctions, in contrast to the ukrov, which killed many industries, banning cooperation with Russia, are not introduced on the principle of frostbite ears for evil grandmother.

[Professor]

Quote: Alekseev

Because, ironic, "dull", that counter-sanctions, in contrast to the ukrov, which killed many industries, banning cooperation with Russia, are not introduced on the principle of frostbite ears for evil grandmother.

Kill me, but I don't see the "principle" at all. Refusal to purchase Merciers and Porsches "will kill many production" in the Russian Federation? Do Bentley, Bugati and Ferrari contain many Russian production? Maybe the rejection of Boeings and Airbuses will hit the RUSSIAN aviation industry? I understood that this would hit the poor strata of the population of the Russian Federation, and the food with the caterpillars of bulldozers is a blow to the West and to the Russian oligarchs.

What is the "principle"?

[silverura]

Why not expand sanctions against the United States and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"?

Because the gut is thin. Of course, it doesn't sound patriotic. Russia has lost its position as a dominant country, their answer will be to disconnect from Swift and for a month an economical collapse in the Russian Federation. People's money is not in Russian rubles, which could have been more from inflation, as GDP once said. One deterrent is only nuclear weapons, which are reckoned with in the West. And these are extremes ...!

[41st region]

Worry about your guts. And learn to write in Russian, "economical kalaps".

[silverura]

And in Russian

Thank you "teacher"!
That is the difference between people living in Russia who think "in Russian" between those who write "in Russian". In us on Russi - in Russian.

[41st region]

Judging by the presentation of your thoughts (or what is there instead of them), Russian is not your native language. Learn. It's never too late. You won't get any worse.

[silverura]

Learn

Same to you! I'm going to leave the snow, covered with snow ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

First, it is necessary to impose sanctions on the European, American and Japanese auto industries and prohibit the import of their products into the territory of the Russian Federation.

Fans of the listed car industry disagree with you. What to ride then? In Chinese?

[Professor]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: professor

First, it is necessary to impose sanctions on the European, American and Japanese auto industries and prohibit the import of their products into the territory of the Russian Federation.

Fans of the listed car industry disagree with you. What to ride then? In Chinese?

Domestic. On himself. And fly on the domestic. Stop feeding the West!©

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: professor

Domestic.

In addition to the UAZ from the cars, it seems like there is nothing.

[Pechkin]

I wanted to argue with you, but what about AvtoVAZ, but I looked who was in charge. Yves Caracatzanis
(French President)
Nicolas More
(the chairman of the board of directors is French) almost 70% of the shares belong to the Renault-Nissan alliance and understand you are right, if you look at the owners of the campaign, then only UAZ.

[Pechkin]

Why not expand sanctions against the United States and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"?

Well, we can forbid them to take loans from Sberbank and VTB, or it would be fun to relax in the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory, etc. As for the hydrocarbons, they, too, in a united impulse and righteous anger for Ukraine, for some reason do not refuse to buy them. So what side to look at to adherence to principles. And about Bentley, Ferrari, etc. the elite already believes that it has suffered from the sanctions and cannot normally rest in Monaco, Saint-Tropez or Miami, etc. And you also propose to deprive them of their favorite toys, they can no longer agree to this. If you deprive them of everything (such as Athos, luxury clothing brands and Bentleys), then why would they need this country. In terms of why they sought this power. "Stop feeding the West! ©" Stop trolling professor

[Professor]

Quote: Pechkin

Why not expand sanctions against the United States and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"?

Well, we can forbid them to take loans from Sberbank and VTB, or it would be fun to relax in the resorts of the Krasnodar Territory, etc. As for the hydrocarbons, they, too, in a united impulse and righteous anger for Ukraine, for some reason do not refuse to buy them. So what side to look at to adherence to principles. And about Bentley, Ferrari, etc. the elite already believes that it has suffered from the sanctions and cannot normally rest in Monaco, Saint-Tropez or Miami, etc. And you also propose to deprive them of their favorite toys, they can no longer agree to this. If you deprive them of everything (such as Athos, luxury clothing brands and Bentleys), then why would they need this country. In terms of why they sought this power. "Stop feeding the West! ©" Stop trolling professor

Which one to troll? I am absolutely serious and not at all naive when I ask: "Why does the Russian Federation support countries that are hostile to it?" Here's a look at how Israel behaves with Iran, Syria and Lebanon. You have to be consistent in the end, it turns out "play here, don't play here, but here we wrap the fish."

[Pechkin]

Which one to troll? I am absolutely serious and not at all naive to ask: "Why does the Russian Federation support countries hostile to it?" Here's a look at how Israel behaves with Iran, Syria and Lebanon.

Well this is already too thick professor. Iran,
which was Israel's main trading partner, not only in hydrocarbons, but also in high-tech products. It is not correct to compare these examples. We are quietly imposing sanctions on Ukraine, just like you on Iran. It's politics sir

[Professor]

Quote: Pechkin

Which one to troll? I am absolutely serious and not at all naive to ask: "Why does the Russian Federation support countries hostile to it?" Here's a look at how Israel behaves with Iran, Syria and Lebanon.

Well this is already too thick professor. Iran,
which was Israel's main trading partner, not only in hydrocarbons, but also in high-tech products. It is not correct to compare these examples. We are quietly imposing sanctions on Ukraine, just like you on Iran. It's politics sir

Once again, you have to be consistent. Trade turnover of Israel with Lebanon 0.0, with Iran 0.0.
Russia ranks second in the list of Ukraine's largest trading partners with a turnover of $ 37,9 billion for the period from 2017 to August 2020. As of August 2020, the Russian Federation is in the third line.
As the saying goes "but comments."

[Pechkin]

You wrote about the EU and the trade turnover there is more than with Ukraine (this is Ukraine-Russia in second place, and not Russia-Ukraine). But seriously about what you write, as they say, you will not wait. I did not expect such anti-Russian comments from you. Russia is not going to turn into North Korea, and all these conflicts with Europe will not last forever (it is more difficult with Ukraine, but we will also figure it out, whether our government will change or they will still have to negotiate). We will not go anywhere from each other, and it is stupid and harmful for Russia to cut off economic ties with the EU, if we introduce total sanctions, we will lose a lot of high-tech equipment (for example, we buy them, though with difficulty). Now, if you write seriously, then definitely "but comments". You wish my country to turn into an outcast country, closed and offended by the whole world, as you already wrote, you will not wait

[Professor]

Quote: Pechkin

You wrote about the EU and the trade turnover there is more than with Ukraine (this is Ukraine-Russia in second place, and not Russia-Ukraine). But seriously about what you write, as they say, you will not wait. I did not expect such anti-Russian comments from you.

Is a worthy response to non-friendly actions anti-Russian? Lavrov has also spoken out just now.

Quote: Pechkin

Russia is not going to turn into North Korea, and all these conflicts with Europe will not last forever (it is more difficult with Ukraine, but we will also figure it out, whether our government will change or they will still have to negotiate). We will not go anywhere from each other, and it is stupid and harmful for Russia to cut off economic ties with the EU, if we introduce total sanctions, we will lose a lot of high-tech equipment (for example, we buy them, though with difficulty).

"In case we see again <...> that in some areas sanctions are imposed that create risks for our economy, including in the most sensitive areas. We do not want to isolate ourselves from world life, but we must be prepared for this. If you want peace, prepare for war, " - said Lavrov on the YouTube channel Soloviev Live.

Quote: Pechkin

Now, if you write seriously, then definitely "but comments". You wish my country to turn into an outcast country, closed and offended by the whole world, as you already wrote, you will not wait

What have I to do with it? I did not quarrel with all the neighbors of the Russian Federation. I am not imposing sanctions against the fraternal people themselves. I'm not threatening the whole world to dust. It’s not me that I brand as foreign agents left and right. By the way, there are two islands left to North Korea. Already millions have been banned from traveling abroad. Zakharova proposes to ban tens of millions more. Sovereign internet and the rest of the bullshit is the way to North Korea. Unfortunately.

[Pechkin]

What have I to do with it? I did not quarrel with all the neighbors of the Russian Federation. I am not imposing sanctions against the fraternal people themselves. I'm not threatening the whole world to dust. It’s not me that I brand as foreign agents left and right. By the way, there are two islands left to North Korea. Already millions have been banned from traveling abroad. Zakharova proposes to ban tens of millions more. Sovereign internet and the rest of the bullshit is the way to North Korea. Unfortunately.

Just write adequate things, why was this nonsense about sanctions and the refusal to sell hydrocarbons to Europe (to spite my grandmother's ears frostbite). So I thought that you were trolling. The problems of relations with other countries must be solved, not aggravated (including the image of Russia, but they must understand that Crimea is not being discussed), we need to move away from sanctions, I want others to look and think that Russians are cool, that they want to live like Russians , arrange your country like Russians. The biggest problems appeared after Crimea, but there could be different reasons. For example, we learned that our fleet will be withdrawn from Sevastopol and there will be a NATO base, then this is a schizophrenic situation like Gregory Bateson's, it cannot be done, it cannot be done, it is forbidden to discuss, then we simply had no choice. Also Syria, we found a point where we can put pressure, so that we are forced to conduct a dialogue. Regarding us and North Korea, our elders decided to choose the simplest option to maintain power and stability, unfortunately. And I don't like him.

[Professor]

Quote: Pechkin

Just write adequate things, why was this nonsense about sanctions and the refusal to sell hydrocarbons to Europe (to spite my grandmother's ears frostbite). So I thought that you were trolling.

Not right you thought. Consistency is to respond to sanctions with sanctions, and not to supply raw materials and energy resources to the enemy.

Quote: Pechkin

The problems of relations with other countries must be solved, not aggravated (including the image of Russia, but they must understand that Crimea is not being discussed), we need to move away from sanctions, I want others to look and think that Russians are cool, that they want to live like Russians , arrange your country like Russians.

They are primitive do not understand that "Crimea is not being discussed" and will discuss it until Crimea returns to Ukraine in accordance with the commitments of the Russian Federation assumed, including in the Budapest Memorandum.
Do not be offended, but no one wants to live like you and does not consider you cool. This is confirmed by numerous surveys.

Quote: Pechkin

The biggest problems appeared after Crimea, but there could be different reasons. For example, we learned that our fleet will be withdrawn from Sevastopol and there will be a NATO base, then this is a schizophrenic situation like Gregory Bateson's, it cannot be done, it cannot be done, it is forbidden to discuss, then we simply had no choice.

Ukraine itself has the right to decide who to host and it is not your business, and indeed nobody's. Well, NATO is now digging into Ochakov. So what?

Quote: Pechkin

Also Syria, we found a point where we can put pressure, so that we were forced to conduct a dialogue.

That is, they didn't even want to talk to you otherwise? They are in dialogue with Singapore, Japan and Switzerland and not at all because they sent their military somewhere.

Quote: Pechkin

Regarding us and North Korea, our elders decided to choose the simplest option to retain power and stability, unfortunately. And I don't like him.

Good luck to you.

[igor67]

Quote: professor

Once again, you have to be consistent. Trade turnover of Israel with Lebanon 0.0, with Iran 0.0.

good morning Oleg, I have not seen Lebanese products, but Iranian rice was in stores, in five and ten kg packages

[Professor]

Quote: igor67

Quote: professor

Once again, you have to be consistent. Trade turnover of Israel with Lebanon 0.0, with Iran 0.0.

good morning Oleg, I have not seen Lebanese products, but Iranian rice was in stores, in five and ten kg packages

So maybe it was such Iranian rice as Indian tea was once in the USSR (made in the Georgian SSR)?
Trade with enemy countries is prohibited by law. The term can be obtained.

[Serg662]

In general, you are correct, Professor, you have to be consistent to the end. But what's interesting is that your overseas partner considers Russia an "evil empire", an aggressor, an adversary, etc. on the list. Some sanctions were introduced ... but rocket engines and titanium are still being bought from "Terran")) What about "consistency" in this case, or is it the classic "you don't understand, this is different")))

[Strannik96]

[quote = professor / quote]
Fans of the listed car industry do not agree with you. What to ride then? In Chinese? [/ Quote]
Domestic. On himself. And fly on the domestic. Stop feeding the West!© [/ quote]

Before telling others how to live, look at your car production in Israel - there is almost none, apart from a copy of the American Wrangler. And fly on a domestic one - which is also not observed.
Russia produces various brands in its country and saturates its market. They buy their own and new. It is also happening in the aircraft industry - the military is our own, and civil production is being pulled up - our own!
Auto imports, as they used to be in the 90s, at the beginning of 2000 fell due to their production, so the West is not fed.
At the same time, industrial training takes place - the people learn how to work with new systems, thus the industry develops

[Professor]

Quote: Strannik96

Before telling others how to live, look at your car production in Israel - there is almost none, apart from a copy of the American Wrangler. And fly on a domestic one - which is also not observed.

We are not in confrontation with Japan, the EU and the United States. We have no Iranian cars.

Quote: Strannik96

Russia produces various brands in its country and saturates its market. They buy their own and new. It is also happening in the aircraft industry - the military is our own, and civil production is being pulled up - our own!
Auto imports, as they used to be in the 90s, at the beginning of 2000 fell due to their production, so the West is not fed.
At the same time, industrial training takes place - the people learn how to work with new systems, thus the industry develops

That's how good it turns out. Now all that remains is to punish these bourgeoisie and not buy Merciers and boogers from them and fly not on Boeings and watermelons.

[Strannik96]

Israel does not have its own car production - Russia has its own car production.
You contradict yourself - Russia will use both Boeings and watermelons as long as it is profitable. He will punish when he thinks it is necessary. Also with the Mercians - bring money. So there is no confrontation, but there is an independent policy

[Professor]

Quote: Strannik96

Israel does not have its own car production - Russia has its own car production.

Again. Israel does not exchange sanctions with Germany, the United States and Japan, and therefore can support their auto industry with a clear conscience. You have a different situation. They are choking you with sanctions, and you support their auto industry.

Quote: Strannik96

You contradict yourself - Russia will use both Boeings and watermelons as long as it is profitable. He will punish when he thinks it is necessary. Also with the Mercians - bring money. So there is no confrontation, but there is an independent policy

There is a confrontation. This is what Lavrov and Putin say. You support Boeing and Airbus, which produce military products directed against you.

[Ros 56]

Walk on foot, it is very good for your health. And then they were spoiled, you know.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ros 56

And then they were spoiled, you know.

And patriots, it seems, do not want either a UAZ patriot or a Chinese auto industry with an Indian one. Miracles.

[Ros 56]

I ride a UAZ myself, he is like a relative to me.

[sergo1914]

Quote: professor

Quote: 30 vis

It is high time . It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to the death.

Why not expand the sanctions against the US and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"? For example, to stop the supply of raw materials for the European industry, including hydrocarbons? First, it is necessary to impose sanctions on the European, American and Japanese auto industries and prohibit the import of their products into the territory of the Russian Federation. And what happens is that they are strangling Russia with sanctions, and in response they stopped directly buying curds from them ...

You do not understand. This is different. We are in a ring of enemies, now is a difficult time, we need to rally around the king and give battle to the adversary, there is not much left to endure, the jerk is very soon, then we will heal

[nakhtigalsif]

give battle to the foe, there is not much left to endure, the jerk is very soon, then we will heal [/ quote]
... somewhere it already happened ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: sergo1914

Quote: professor

Quote: 30 vis

It is high time . It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to the death.

Why not expand the sanctions against the US and the EU "In response to unfriendly actions"? For example, to stop the supply of raw materials for the European industry, including hydrocarbons? First, it is necessary to impose sanctions on the European, American and Japanese auto industries and prohibit the import of their products into the territory of the Russian Federation. And what happens is that they are strangling Russia with sanctions, and in response they stopped directly buying curds from them ...

You do not understand. This is different. We are in a ring of enemies, now is a difficult time, we need to rally around the king and give battle to the adversary, there is not much left to endure, the jerk is very soon, then we will heal

Minus who? Do you want to rally around the king? What is going on? Are you all Svarog?

[Deniska999]

The question must be posed differently. If Ukraine restores water supply to Crimea, then we will lift the sanctions. The sanctions are being imposed, but it's time to blackmail. Gas supplies can be stopped. They will freeze, they will quickly speak differently.

[Avior]

It is not entirely clear what gas supplies you are writing about? Ukraine has not bought gas from Gazprom for many years.
If you mean that gas supplies to Europe must be stopped, then Gazprom will receive fines.

[Finches]

But all the same, I do not fully understand in these undercover games ... According to the State Customs Service of Ukraine, at the end of 2020, Russia once again entered the top three trading partners of the non-state:
"The countries from which most of all imported goods to Ukraine: China - $ 8,3 billion, Germany - $ 5,1 billion and Russia - $ 4,6 billion. Exported from Ukraine most of all to China - $ 7,1 billion, Poland - $ 3,3 billion, Russia - $ 2,7 billion " On the one hand, our hucksters can be understood - income, jobs for workers are five, but in 7 years it was already possible to completely reorient sales and supply markets! But what do we buy from them, what we ourselves cannot produce?

[Brturin]

Quote: Finches

But what do we buy from them, what we ourselves cannot produce?

You can see Appendix No. 1. (The list of goods prohibited for import into the Russian Federation ..) to this decree, then "superheated water boilers (except for steam boilers and superheated water boilers for ship equipment and their parts)", "electrical conductors for voltage not more than 1000 V other (except for: used in telecommunications, for a voltage not exceeding 80 V; for the production of civil aircraft; for the industrial assembly of motor vehicles of commodity items 8701 - 8705, their components and assemblies; for the production of aircraft engines) ". ... both here, and "Russia - $ 2,7 billion" - in 2018 it was $ 3,7 billion, in 2019 - $ 3,24 billion ... it is falling, but "not soon harnessed, but soon arrived" it hurts long "harnessed" and not only here ...

[aars]

Quote: 30 vis

It is necessary to beat svidoukrov, beat hard and to the death.

I vote for with two hands!
You can't say it better, plusanul.

[altimo1]

You need to beat kinder!

[Mavrikiy]

The decision was made in response to the "unfriendly actions" of Ukraine.

Have you waited 20 years for friendly actions?

[silverura]

beat hard and to death.

Forehead on the keyboard, after rolling 100 grams., Ukrainian vodka good for "Roshen" candy

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Precisely - it's high time. Apparently this is not only my opinion, if it is spoken earlier than I could say it.

[Pessimist22]

Press economically until complete collapse and separation.

[seregatara1969]

conveniently, it was not the government that issued the decree, but Mishustin signed himself, without outside help

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: seregatara1969

and Mishustin signed himself, without outside help

Here, too, Putin's hand is visible. Mishustin has already changed the watch from his left hand to his right.

[evgen1221]

Photos are often printed in mirrored form in the Internet and do not bother with the absurdity of this, purely out of ignorance and principle, and so it will do.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: evgen1221

Photos are often printed in mirrored form in the Internet and do not bother with the absurdity of this, purely out of ignorance and principle, and so it will do.

Take a look at the photo. It is enough to pay attention to the crown.

[evgen1221]

Perhaps, I will not argue, the autocracy has always copied the tsar's habits and appearance (mimicry of a kind, although it looks ridiculous and disgusting at times). But mirrored photos are also often found on official resources.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: evgen1221

Perhaps I will not argue, in autocracy they have always copied the tsarist habits and appearance (mimicry of a kind, although it looks ridiculous and disgusting at times)

As in the Moscow mayor's office under Luzhkov, they wore caps, and Sobyanin appeared, the caps disappeared somewhere.

[rocket757]

After a fight with your hands, waving ..... even so.

[cniza]

Yes, there was no fight, they are pushing there and threatening ... Good time!

[rocket757]

Hi
"fight", in this case, is how our politicians lost the "battle" for the minds of the fraternal PEOPLE !!! Schaub did not speak there, the people in the decisive mass did not support the previous legitimate government ... this is an obvious fact.

[cniza]

Yes, diplomacy has always been at zero there, hence the result ...

[rocket757]

Unfortunately, not only there ... a corresponding result throughout the space of the former friends / brotherhood!

[cniza]

Namely, they hoped that everything was fine with the former and did not work at all, but now they realized it, but the train had already left ...

[rocket757]

Maybe the train did not go so far, but it is very difficult to return, turn it to the desired one, for us ...

[cniza]

If you make some effort, then everything is possible ...

[rocket757]

Never say never ... and rightly so.
Only we are late, the train is moving away every day further and further.

[cniza]

We have all the possibilities, it remains to realize them ...

[Ryaruav]

all these paper sanctions against a wall of peas, real economic and political pressure and action is needed

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

close completely all trade with sumeria and visa regime enter

[nnm]

We do not understand any sanctions. Why introduce any kind of interrelationship into such a policy? For some reason, Muraev, who is adequately disposed towards Russia - under sanctions, once quarreled with a relative of VVP - Medvedchuk, and Zelensky's companies, who became a more ardent Russophobe than Poroshenko, work quietly and bring him royalties of hundreds of millions of rubles annually. I do not understand either the logic of the sanctions or their systematic nature. What kind of games is it for the audience if scandals arise over and over again with the supply of spare parts for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!!! What is this deliberate supply of fuels and lubricants to the Ukrainian market through Belarus, where do we drive raw materials ?! In terms of turnover, we are in 2nd place in Ukraine after China. And this despite the fact that they are trying to destroy the LPNR, are pursuing a clearly Russophobic policy, rewriting history, fostering neo-Nazism, and so on. Awesome sanctions .... (no).

[evgen1221]

Oh, not really that pinned and the rooster still pecked in the ass. For a long time it dawned on these ducks that the position of the ostrich on the doggy style is very similar. Still, they would have parted with phantom papols for all sorts of (brotherly peoples), and began to pursue a policy of Russian Russia and its interests in the first place and the rest aside, in general it would be good.

[rotmistr60]

in 2018, there were 68 legal entities, then it was expanded to 75 and now to 84

You could and should have hit harder. Svidomye completely lost fear, and arrogance and rudeness were added to three. This is an opportunity for Lukashenka to show that he really stands in solidarity with Russia and is also ready to join the sanctions. Or the danger has passed and you can play multi-vector again?

[cniza]

"In response to unfriendly actions": Russia extended sanctions against Ukraine

And who has analyzed what these sanctions give and what do they bring?

[Strannik96]

There are people and analyze how to do and what to do

[Gardamir]

It's amazing how many Yeltsin fans are here. How they all rejoice at the division of the state. In addition to Ukraine, there is the Kuban, the Kuban people live there, the Ural people live there. Following your logic, they must also be separated, for they are not your brothers.
For example, both then in 2014 and now I thought it was necessary to return all Russian lands. But the burkhalter turned out to be stronger than the president of Russia. refused to return Donbass.
As for the sanctions, it’s quite funny. USA announces sanctions on Russia, Russia in spite of amers announces sanctions on Ukraine

[Puppeteer 111]

"Note that in October 2020, the government allowed the supply of equipment and products from three companies from Ukraine - the Bratslav company, the Barsky Machine-Building Plant and the Rubezhansky Cardboard Plant. The restrictions were lifted after Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin met with the co-chairman of the pro-Russian Ukrainian party "Opposition Platform - for Life", godfather of Russian President Viktor Medvedchuk. "

[Alsur]

Quote: Flood

Quote: aars

This story goes back to such times, from the introduction of serfdom by Catherine, etc.

Thank you for reminding me.
How many tens of thousands of Germans has Russia Russified? Already and do not count.

And where are they now? Yes, they wrote everything right, the "wolves" ran home.

[Flooding]

Quote: ALSur

And where are they now? Yes, they wrote everything right, the "wolves" ran home.

They lived in Russia for more than a century and a half. They built, plowed, traded, gave birth to children, paid taxes, served. What else can you demand from a law-abiding citizen of the country?
And "now" happened only because a great country collapsed.
Only because they wanted to live separately, each in his own apartment.

[sgr291158]

It is even tougher to understand who they are opening their mouths to.

[Avior]

It would be useful to consider these sanctions thoughtfully. It is quite possible that the ears of Medvedchuk or his people, political or financial, stick out in them.
Maybe sanctions, or maybe someone just removed a competitor, in business or in politics. After the story with Muraev, nothing can be surprised anymore

[Ros 56]

It is high time for these clowns to block everything that is possible and that is not allowed, too. Let them jump like a herd of goats, maybe they will keep warm.

[silverura]

Let them jump like a herd of goats, maybe they will keep warm.

And you don't feel sorry for your relatives there, now it's cold in Ukraine.

[Ros 56]

I have no relatives there, this is the first, well, perhaps the matchmaker, and then not my direct. Secondly, they would unscrew your head at the first opportunity without further ado, and they shoot their citizens like on a safari.
And those who treat us well will have to endure until these rotten things disappear.
The situation must be taken to the extreme, the workers who work for us should be sent there, then the Ukrainians themselves will start hanging these Natsiks on trees.
And the situation that exists now only prolongs the suffering and drives itself into a dead end.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

All these "relatives" and "matchmakers" and "godfathers" themselves voted for the existing government. Yes, and for all of us, it's time to finally understand that "they are brothers" is yesterday. These same "brothers" want to join NATO, take away Crimea, and on the sly, curse our country.

[Brturin]

Quote: Ros 56

and what cannot be blocked too

Maybe we will leave the TVELs and something on nuclear power, but that somehow ..., it is clear that they have a great desire to abandon them, but so far it may not be worth it ...

[Ros 56]

And what about TVELs, some nuclear power plants do not make the weather, there is not enough energy for all.

[Brturin]

Quote: Ros 56

What about TVELs

So solely for safety reasons, the wind rose somehow ...
They do not do all the weather, but even without them ... it seems that now they will be purely imported - acting. Minister of Energy proposes to liquidate mining - "If it is easier and cheaper to extract uranium concentrate somewhere, in order for Ukraine to be rich, it does not need to be mined in Ukraine. This is published in the book by Adam Smith, which appeared, I don't know ... 200 years ago back. This is the bible of the economist. " The Germans will drive them away from coal - they have already appointed a special representative ... To burn gas, but then the price of both gas and electricity - "Burns 6 million cubic meters per day and receives 20 million UAH of loss per day" ...

[victor_47]

It would be nice to extend such sanctions to the EU and the US ...

[Alsur]

Quote: Flood

Quote: ALSur

And where are they now? Yes, they wrote everything right, the "wolves" ran home.

They lived in Russia for more than a century and a half. They built, plowed, traded, gave birth to children, paid taxes. What else can you demand from a law-abiding citizen of the country?
And "now" happened only because a great country collapsed.
Only because they wanted to live separately, each in his own apartment.

But who cares what happened, would give the Germans the opportunity to leave under the USSR, i.e. the same conditions and the very possibility, they would have left earlier, because Jews left, for example.

[Strannik96]

Many Germans would like to stay, but in Kazakhstan they were simply squeezed out, in Kyrgyzstan everything collapsed and so on throughout Asia, in Russia there are still many Germans who remained, but their minority, because relatives left and the rest followed them

[nehoroshih48]

The real sanctions against "Svidomo" are the cancellation of all supplies: gas, oil, electricity and other trade for billions of "green". We are for ukrozhopyh country "aggressor" and that says it all!

[Puppeteer 111]

In 2019, the sanctions list included ..., as well as entrepreneurs Alexander Ivanov, Andrey Ivanov and Valery Migaltyev.
It is worth saying that if the City Council deputies are widely known, then Alexander Ivanov and Andrey Ivanov are the head and co-owner of the Transship company, which is engaged in transshipment of goods in roadstead conditions and unique transportation schemes in the Azov-Black Sea basin.
List of companies that have been sanctioned:
Donmar LLC, Odessa;
LLC "Cranship", Odessa;
LLC "Maxima Metal Service", Dnipro;
PJSC "Poltava Automotive Aggregate Plant", Poltava;
LLC Solar steelconstruction, Dnipro;
LLC "Transship", Odessa;
subsidiary "Transship Balk", Odessa;
subsidiary "Transship-Service", Odessa;
Kirgan Holding SA, Panama.
Ivanov owns 1, 2, 6, 7, 8 enterprises.
And now the cherry on the cake.
The owner of the Transship group, Andrei Ivanov, was repeatedly associated with servicing Russian courts in Crimea, for which in 2015 the SBU opened a criminal case against him. Annually, according to media reports, in the Kerch Strait, only with tankers that transport oil products, the Transship vessels carry out more than 300 mooring operations. And this is prohibited under Ukrainian law.

[altimo1]

The Ukraine project can only exist against Russia and only at the expense of Russia. Only after the final collapse of the anti-Russian project and the denazification of the Ukrainized population will there again be an opportunity to reunite a single Russian people - Maloros, Rusyns, Velikoros, Belarusians. The whole problem is in Ukrainians, which is a destructive ideology.

[kit88]

Quote: altimo1

Only after the final collapse of the anti-Russian project

This "project" is already five hundred years old. And he himself does not plan to fall apart.

[Nikolaevich I]

And what about us?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

To them these "restrictions" are like a dead poultice. Kindergarten...

[Gennady Fomkin]

That is why the life-giving sending of degradants to hell. As well as persons whose level of development ruins the country. At the expense of those who issued them the passports of the Russian Federation and themselves. These "talents" do not sew a mare's tail at least to be fired with a decrease in social rating with a ban on practicing in any places where there is dangerous technology.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Here is also interesting news on the topic.

 

The five largest seaports of Ukraine in January 2021 sharply reduced the transshipment of goods. In general, cargo turnover fell by 22,9%, or 2,78 million tons - to 9,35 million tons.

The main reasons

- decrease in transshipment for grain exports by 42% due to last year's drought

- decrease in the transshipment of imported coal by 5 (!) times, because the price has risen decently

- collapse of ore transit in 16 (!) due to the fact that the Russian company "Metalloinvest" stopped the supply of ore from the Mikhalovsky mining and processing plant (Zheleznogorsk, Kursk region) through the port "Yuzhny" (Odessa region). Now the supply of raw materials from this enterprise is carried out through the Ultramar terminal in the port of Ust-Luga (Leningrad region of the Russian Federation), which began operating in October 2020. https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/02/ 11 / otkrytie-morskogo-terminala-v-ust-luge-lishilo-porty-ukrainy-tranzita-rudy

[Brturin]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Here is also interesting news on the topic.

News ... The volume of transit of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) through the territory of Ukraine in January-November 2020 fell by 22% .... In January-November 2020, 493,31 thousand tons passed through the country .... In 2019, LPG transit through Ukraine decreased by 38,5%, to 692,3 thousand tons, compared to 2018 (1,1 million tons).
https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/656871-tranzit-sug-cherez-ukrainu-upal-pochti-na-chetvert/
The question is the timing and what effect all this has ... both for Ukraine and for Russia ... who lost how much and who acquired how much, but for now, find such figures ...

[Gennady Fomkin]

This is how it should be, nature takes its toll, then oxen and dung. And bjols, bjols everywhere, buzz.

[Gennady Fomkin]

But the dicks! These feeble-minded, managed to break, even my favorite "Molybdens", and they were famous for their mega-reliability and oakiness. Kaklam, it was always required to climb in and pick out, even completely serviceable and correctly configured equipment, and, often, during its operation. The little hands of the creatures were not only sticky, but also sick with scabies, not a second of rest - if not steal, then at least break. This is my personal opinion. as a squad commander, which consisted of three normal people (two Russians and one Uzbek) and a pair of stupid hohlobaranov.

[Alex013]

"... As of August 2020, the Russian Federation is on the third line from the list of Ukraine's largest trading partners"
what can I say, drove into the construction market. A blowtorch was required. More than half of the availability is made in Ukraine. And - Motor Sich, a military-industrial complex ...

[Undecim]

For the sake of interest, I looked at the list of "monsters" of the Ukrainian economy, on which the punishing sword of sanctions was brought down.
Donmar LLC, Cranship LLC, Maxima Metal Service metal warehouse (Dnipro), Poltava agro-unit plant, Solar Stalkonstruktsiya LLC (Dnipro), Transship and subsidiaries Transship Balk and Transship-service ( Odessa). The list also includes Kirgan Holding SA, registered in Panama.
Of all this list, only the Poltava Agro-Unit Plant deserves attention.
With the Odessa "Transship" in general, the situation is tragicomic. The Ukrainian prosecutor's office opened a case against them on the fact of providing their tugs to Russia, and Russia imposed sanctions on them.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Alex013

"... As of August 2020, the Russian Federation is on the third line from the list of Ukraine's largest trading partners"
what can I say, drove into the construction market. A blowtorch was required. More than half of the availability is made in Ukraine. And - Motor Sich, a military-industrial complex ...

That's right that's their level

[Dimide]

Bravo! I have never been a Russophobe, but after reading local comments, I am no longer surprised by the “great love” from other nations.

[Strannik96]

How impressionable, read less dirt on Russia and you will be surprised at another, how those peoples lived in the USSR, having a job, not wandering all over Europe in search of a better life and the Poles, the Balts and the rest, if it became so good without Russia, well your country leave, as we were in the 90s?

[Dimide]

Don't juggle, what's the USSR here

[Strannik96]

I meant the peoples of the USSR

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Dimid

Bravo! I have never been a Russophobe, but after reading local comments, I am no longer surprised by the “great love” from other nations.

There is nothing to blame on the mirror - if the face is crooked Other "peoples" Do you mean yourself? And there was nothing to shout "

[Dimide]

Remind you of skinheads or the same Limonovites. So this mirror is for you

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Dimid

Remind you of skinheads or the same Limonovites. So this mirror is for you

Go ahead Only the police must be hitting them, but they are not the police Whistle further.

[Gennady Fomkin]

1 .LLC "Donmar"
2. LLC "Cranship"
3. LLC "Maxima Metal Service"
4.PJSC "Poltava Agroindustrial Aggregate Plant"
5. LLC "Solar Stalkonstruktsiya"
6. LLC "Transship"
7. LLC "Transship" - subsidiaries of this organization
8. "Transship Bulk" and "Transship Service"
Kirgan Holding SA

[Sands Careers General]

Well done uncle))
Now liberourods will crawl out))

[vit670]

What are the sanctions? What are you talking about? Another PR stunt no more ... If you really wanted to impose sanctions, you would have banned the supply of electricity, gasoline, coal, TVELOV gas to nuclear power plants ... Otherwise they play to the public ... It's all nonsense!

[Cuba]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Hunter 2

All the migrant workers should be returned to Ukraine. There is nothing to sit out with us.

I do not agree with you.
Today it is, if not the only, then one of the few effective tools for countering brainwashing in Ukraine.
Do you offer to lose it too?

nonsense! ... just as they hated us, they hate and envy us - and it doesn't matter whether he works for us or not! ... such is their nature to envy and hate a more successful neighbor!