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"Not quite from our century": the West appreciated the new Russian armored car "Lasok 4-P"

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Lasok 4-P: the final look of the car has not yet been formed



The Russian developer PCC "Innovative Chassis" presented its new creation - a small-sized armored car "Lasok 4-P". It is expected that this buggy will become a universal platform for solving a wide range of tasks for special forces, advanced and reconnaissance groups.

Adequate load for the Mi-8


As the developer explains, the main "workhorse" of the army aviation The RF Armed Forces - the Mi-8 helicopter - will now be able to transport not only the Niva or UAZ-469, but also the Lasok 4-P armored vehicle, which is optimally suited for performing combat missions. The prototype buggy was assembled in 2020. It is based on the armored assault vehicle "Locust" (demonstrated in 2019), but received a lighter 4x4 chassis.

The curb weight of the product is 2045 kg, full - 2700 kg, carrying capacity - 650 kg, height - 1720 mm, width - 1880 mm, length - 4580 mm (with the cargo compartment folded down - 3970 mm), wheelbase - 2420 mm, ground clearance 260 (370) mm, ford overcome - 0,9 m. In the future, it is planned to reduce the curb weight to 1900 kg, and increase the carrying capacity to 800 kg.

The machine is equipped with an engine, other units and assemblies borrowed from serial Russian SUVs. The body consists of a mine-resistant armored capsule that can accommodate 4 people, and a cargo compartment module, in which, if necessary, 3 people can be accommodated. landing. The thickness of the body armor is within 4,5 mm, in the frontal part - 6-8 mm. Basic protection class - 4th in accordance with GOST R 50963 (5th - at the customer's option).

"Not quite from our century": the West appreciated the new Russian armored car "Lasok 4-P"

One of the predecessor options: BShSh "Locust" with an automatic cannon GSh-23 and a 30-mm AG-17 grenade launcher


"A car from the past"


As stated, the Mi-8-AMTSh helicopters are capable of transporting buggies along with a combat group. A standard trailer (truck) can take three vehicles at once - this is how many pieces of equipment can be required by a regular fighting compartment. Various versions of the armored car are possible, depending on the tasks assigned, in particular, the floating modification (it will have a combined armor, with the use of metal polymers).

The basic version under the designation ALBM "Lasok 4-P" is equipped with a turret installation with a folding armored shield and a 12.7-mm "Kord" retractable into the cabin. Additionally, there are PC and RPK 7.62 (5.45) mm.

The Western press has already paid attention to the new product.

The car does not look exactly from our century [...] If armored buggies of the 1900s are eventually produced in large numbers, this could further enhance the capabilities of the Russian air assault forces

- ironically one of the publications.
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PCC "Innovative chassis"
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  1. mark1
    mark1 13 February 2021 07: 44
    +76
    They went crazy with these armored cars, the impression is that in every garage they are already molding to the best of their strength and views on beauty.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 13 February 2021 08: 32
      +17
      Russian developer PCC "Innovative Chassis"
      Why feed the Yudashkins in the military-industrial complex? Prove to the West that we also have Masks? fool
      Quote: mark1
      They went crazy with these armored cars, the impression is that in every garage they are already molding to the best of their strength and views on beauty.

      They got infected from Ruhlandia. fool
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 13 February 2021 08: 57
        +5
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        They got infected from Ruhlandia.


        Here is a photo of the modernization of a common tank model carried out in one of the countries that has never designed or produced its own armored vehicles (unlike Rukhlandia), but only lost it in wars.

        Guess the country and the "donor" that became the basis for modernization.

        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 13 February 2021 09: 00
          +7
          T 55. I won't guess about the country.
          1. Profiler
            Profiler 13 February 2021 09: 02
            +14
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            T 55

            Ejector - traitor am

            Country - Iraq ...

            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 13 February 2021 09: 04
              +5
              I am more guided by the way - the first one is free-standing. The ejector just suggests that it is 55 and not 54. But 54 was never exported, it seems.
            2. Dodikson
              Dodikson 13 February 2021 11: 16
              0
              look at the Romanian T-55 Bizon, it will be worse. the Iraqi have changed their appearance more than the possibilities. the Romanians, on the contrary.
    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 13 February 2021 08: 50
      +14
      Quote: mark1
      They went crazy with these armored cars, the impression is that in every garage they are already molding to the best of their strength and views on beauty.

      Or maybe they reproduce themselves lol The Punisher armored car mated with the carriage, and so it turned out to be a cub! yes
      1. mark1
        mark1 13 February 2021 09: 21
        +14
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        The Punisher armored car mated with a carriage, that's what happened

        "Caretel"
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 February 2021 12: 38
          +9
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          The Punisher armored car mated with a carriage, that's what happened

          "Caretel"

          They seem to have gradually got used to the departure from the floral-weather theme ("Carnation", "Hyacinth", "Peony", "Tornado", "Hurricane", "Grad" ....) towards the brutal-serpentine ("The Punisher", "Terminator", "Wolf", "Tiger", "Scorpio", etc.) ...

          And who is "Lasok" (masculine)? I found "Laska" (feminine), and "Lasok" is her husband? laughing
          1. Speedy
            Speedy 13 February 2021 14: 37
            +3
            The flower theme is the lot of the artel, it is still in use there.
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 13 February 2021 23: 49
            +3
            and "Lasok" is her husband?
            somehow picked up somewhere and something ... repeatmost likely - spouse # 2! laughing
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 13 February 2021 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      They went crazy with these armored cars, the impression is that in every garage they are already molding to the best of their strength and views on beauty.

      Well, what happened in Ukraine literally almost every day a new armored miracle appeared, now we can see this virus spread to us.
      1. mark1
        mark1 13 February 2021 11: 14
        +3
        Quote: Fitter65
        now this virus has spread to us.

        Did someone get bitten in a car service?
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 14 February 2021 04: 22
          0
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: Fitter65
          now this virus has spread to us.

          Did someone get bitten in a car service?

          This option is also possible, although doctors are talking about the air-droplet option. After all
          when the Hohlanders riveted their pepelats, drool and spray flew in all directions. (Hohland-land of Ukrainians-Ukraine in our opinion) laughing laughing
      2. Grits
        Grits 14 February 2021 02: 41
        +1
        Quote: Fitter65
        Well, what happened in Ukraine literally almost every day a new armored miracle appeared, now we can see this virus spread to us.

        We have this contagious disease began 10 years ago. I will try to recall offhand, from the oldest to the present.
        Vodnik
        Shot
        Damask
        Tiger
        Bear
        Wolf
        Lynx
        Highlander
        Falcatus (Punisher)
        Patrol
        Typhoon
        Scorpio
        Arrow
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 14 February 2021 04: 23
          0
          Quote: Gritsa
          We have this contagious disease began 10 years ago. I will try to recall offhand, from the oldest to the present.

          That is, it turns out that the infection has returned to us?
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 13 February 2021 13: 17
      +5
      Quote: mark1
      We went crazy with these armored cars





      Or they could think about a "universal" platform (!) ... like that!
  2. Profiler
    Profiler 13 February 2021 07: 44
    +35
    Yes, the design is "for an amateur" ...

    BA-64, during the Great Patriotic War, looked much more attractive.



    1. loki565
      loki565 13 February 2021 07: 52
      +10
      What about the design? everything is classic)))
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      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 13 February 2021 09: 20
        +4
        Well, here, it seems, is understandable! And who is trying to climb into Lasok-4? what
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 13 February 2021 08: 24
      +8
      Quote: Profiler
      looked much more attractive.

      The main thing is not the view, the main thing is the functionality. If we consider it as a replacement for UAZ - what's wrong? Some kind of armor + weapons. For air transportation, if the dimensions are the same - that's it.

      Lasok 4-P. The curb weight of the product is 2045 kg, the gross weight is 2700 kg (it is supposed to reduce the curb weight to 1900 kg, and increase the carrying capacity to 800 kg.) Ground clearance 260 (370) mm

      UAZ-31512-031 (1985 - 2005): Body type open type; weight 1600 (kg) 2350 (kg)
      Ground clearance, mm 220


      Well, in what type of body, it will be more comfortable for you to move around - decide for yourself wink
      If you cut off the top on the BA-64 and build a canvas cabin, it may also become a freak, and most importantly, the functionality of the ultralight BA will disappear, and it will be called GAZ-64. At the same time BA-64 Combat weight 2360 kg., GAZ-64 - Weight 1200 kg (equipped).
    3. Mister X
      Mister X 13 February 2021 10: 13
      +5
      I remembered ...
      Tribune for the speech of the leaders wink
    4. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 February 2021 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: Profiler
      period of the great Patriotic

      And the First World War?
      Austrian armored car Romfell
    5. Dikson
      Dikson 13 February 2021 18: 10
      +1
      In BA-64, commands to the driver were given by bossy kicks to the left or to the right shoulder.
  3. Coconut
    Coconut 13 February 2021 07: 45
    +2
    Lenin spoke from such an armored car ... (very similar) wassat
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 13 February 2021 07: 58
      +13
      Quote: Coco
      Lenin spoke from such an armored car ... (very similar)

      Not at all like No.

      "Austin-Putilovets", for its time the best example of this kind of armored vehicles in the world.

      Judge for yourself - two machine gun mounts in diagonally located rotating towers with a firing zone of 360 degrees, bulletproof armor is sufficient by the standards of that period, with additional anti-splinter lining made of felt inside the armored hull, and two control posts, from the front and rear of the vehicle, which allowed the armored car to leave the battlefield is not unfolding. Bulletproof tires "gusmatic" ...

      The advantages can be listed and enumerated, but of course there were also disadvantages, the main one of which was their insufficient number in the Russian army.





      1. Profiler
        Profiler 13 February 2021 08: 18
        +10
        Or, here, an option - "Austin-Putilovets" with a caterpillar "kegress", the development of the Russian engineer A.A. Kegres.

        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 13 February 2021 08: 37
          -1
          Quote: Profiler
          development of the Russian engineer A.A. Kegres.

          Why did the Frenchman Adolphe Kegresse suddenly become Russian? belay
          1. Profiler
            Profiler 13 February 2021 08: 50
            +8
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            Why did the Frenchman Adolphe Kegresse suddenly become Russian?

            From the fright that the "Russified German" Boris Semyonovich Jacobi Moritz hermann von jacobi , (years of life - September 9 (September 21) 1801, Potsdam - February 27 (March 11) 1874, St. Petersburg) - according to which he is both a German and Russian physicist-inventor.
            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 13 February 2021 09: 04
              -11%
              Quote: Profiler
              Since that fright

              I don't think that a Jew who was born in Germany and lived in Russia for almost 40 years became Russian, although he made a huge contribution to Russian science. Well, and there is nothing to say about the Frenchman who managed the imperial garage in Russia for 13 years. hi
              1. Profiler
                Profiler 13 February 2021 09: 12
                +4
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                about the Frenchman who ran the imperial garage in Russia for 13 years and there is nothing to say

                He would have been a "zavgar" for another 20-30 years if it had not been for the overthrow of the autocracy, and this alone forced him to leave Russia, which became his new homeland.
              2. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 13 February 2021 09: 32
                +13
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                Do not think,

                But in vain! For many peoples, the name of nationality is a noun; and the Russian people have an "adjective"! A German, a Frenchman, a Greek came to Russia ... he became a Russian German, a Frenchman, a Greek ... and in the end the "superfluous" fell off and the "Russian" remained! One of the "famous" said: Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind (according to the modern, mentality ...)!
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 13 February 2021 11: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  For many peoples, the name of nationality is a noun; and the Russian people have an "adjective"!

                  In Italian, "Italian" reads like Italian, Englishman in English "English", German in German "German", French - "French". hi
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  became a Russian German

                  In this case, Russian is understood as an adjective, and when we say Russian to ourselves, we mean our essence (noun) like the words: scientist, firefighter, sentinel, etc.
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 13 February 2021 12: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Dym71
                    In this case, Russian is understood as an adjective, and when we say Russian to ourselves, we mean our essence (noun) like the words: scientist, firefighter, sentinel, etc.

                    Am I arguing? You seem to be a little misunderstood the meaning of my comment ...
                  2. Serg koma
                    Serg koma 13 February 2021 13: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Dym71
                    Englishman in English "English"

                    Englishman in English "English" - an Englishman cannot be only English laughing since man [mæn] n. male m. birth.
                    Englishwoman / english girl - English woman / girl, as appropriate wink .
                    You read the first part of the word, forgetting about the second.
                    Sorry for the little educational program.
                    1. Dym71
                      Dym71 13 February 2021 16: 53
                      +4
                      Quote: Serg Koma
                      Sorry for the little educational program.

                      There is nothing to apologize for
                      Russian people / english people - is such an example suitable?
                2. Hort
                  Hort 16 February 2021 14: 32
                  0
                  we actually also have a quite suitable noun - Russian.
                  Simply, for some reason, it was hidden in the depths of history, replacing it with "Russian"
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 13 February 2021 23: 53
              0
              Russified German
              that is, from birth, he is still German, but when he got into the Russian Empire, he immediately became Russified laughing , straight ... and did not become an ethnic German anymore !? Wonderful ethnography is obtained in Russia wink !!!
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 16 February 2021 17: 53
                0
                Quote: Intruder
                that is, from birth, he is still a German, but how he got into the Russian Empire, he immediately became Russified, right ... and did not become an ethnic German anymore !? Wonderful ethnography turns out in Russia !!!

                Is that you ... "like sarcasm"? Unfortunately, based on the inability to think! Somewhere, in the 14-15 centuries. And maybe even earlier, having recruited Tatars, Polovtsy, Pechenegs, Khazars, Greeks ..., Russian tsars (grand dukes) for loyalty, merit, devotion awarded them not only money , silver, lands, but also the title "Russians"! Time passed and they, indeed, became Russian! If you look at the genealogies of famous Russian (!) Princely families, which are the elite of the Russian nation, then often at the beginning of the family you can find these very Greeks, Polovtsians, Pechenegs ...!
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 16 February 2021 19: 43
                  0
                  Is that you ... "like sarcasm"? Unfortunately, based on the inability to think! Somewhere, in the 14-15th centuries, or maybe earlier, having taken into service
                  I just had good teachers who just fought this "inability", even in the first year of the Faculty of History, especially at lectures on ethnography and history of the Middle Ages, etc., with such statements about:
                  Somewhere, in the 14-15 centuries. And maybe even earlier, having recruited Tatars, Polovtsy, Pechenegs, Khazars, Greeks ..., the Russian tsars (grand dukes) rewarded them not only with money for loyalty, merits, devotion , silver, lands, but also the title "Russians"
                  now I think how right they were !!! laughing
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 16 February 2021 20: 07
                    +1
                    So what ? On your part, some unknown "historians" ... on my part, too, now unknown ... (I've read it for a long time ... I don't remember the authors now ...) As now, for example, they argue ... some - there was a Tatar-Mongol invasion (!) ... others - not! And at least you can prove the roll to them! And this, despite the numerous "long-term" labors and collected artifacts! request
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                    2. Intruder
                      Intruder 16 February 2021 21: 15
                      0
                      On your part, some unknown "historians" ...
                      why, unknown! ??? I can still call many and surprise how they think about them in the Russian Federation .... directly my teachers from the first alma mater: Butanaev, Gottlieb and Poselyanin wink
          2. Eugene-Eugene
            13 February 2021 08: 55
            +21
            Then Sikorsky's helicopters are not American
            1. Profiler
              Profiler 13 February 2021 09: 07
              +7
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Then Sikorsky's helicopters are not American

              good yes
            2. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 13 February 2021 09: 08
              +1
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Then Sikorsky's helicopters are not American

              You are right, namesake, svidomye, for example, consider them almost Ukrainian! lol
      2. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat 13 February 2021 08: 25
        +3
        With all its advantages, the Austin-Putilovets had critical disadvantages: insufficient engine power, extremely low cross-country ability. Therefore, there was no development of the model.
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 13 February 2021 08: 45
          +4
          Quote: Dreamboat
          With all its advantages, the Austin-Putilovets had critical disadvantages: insufficient engine power, extremely low cross-country ability. Therefore, there was no development of the model.

          Development did not follow due to the revolution, and the ensuing all-encompassing economic devastation due to the civil war.
          The throughput of the BA was at the level of similar, but the worst foreign analogues, and the engine power was determined by the characteristics of the chassis used from the Austin truck of the British company Austin Motor Company
        2. Ilya Shikhailo
          Ilya Shikhailo 17 February 2021 21: 30
          0
          About engine power is a common problem for all PMV armored vehicles. They knew how to make "hot" engines, but this pleasure was expensive. On a 3-ton sub-wheel drive FWD, on the basis of which we wanted to make an armored car with a three-inch "cigarette butt", there was a 36 hp engine, EMNIP, 6,7+ liters, on the also four-wheel drive 5-ton "Garfords" there was an engine 35 hp At that time, our RBVZ T40 / 65 with 65 hp. and 7,85 liters was still that bandura, while by the way its circulation (from several tens to several hundred) was much less than that of the "Garfords" with FWD. And making a powerful engine = shoveling the entire structure, of course, if there was a 35 hp engine, and put, say, 120 hp, then the car will not survive. Then, more or less strong transmissions could only be made for tractors, because the quality of the metal was lame. Well, it weighed a dofig kilogram. And so - the understanding that "you need more powerful" was. For example, we had a project for an engine by engineer Kashirin, a V-shaped two-stroke diesel engine that can be assembled with any number of cylinders to obtain the required power, each V2 block was a separate engine, and a 6 liter V7,41 was supposed to produce 240 hp. at 1400 rpm. This is 32,4 hp / l, then for cars it was the norm of 5-10 hp / l, for aviation 10-15 hp / l, the most "hot" car engines were given in the region of 15-20 hp / l (65-strong Hispano-Suiza in 3,6 liters, for example). At the same time, high-quality materials were needed, high-precision machines were needed. And, for example, Renault was quite mediocre at that time in 220-260 hp. (developed, and turned in the 17th in our country into 250-300-strong, and in France in the 18th - in 360-strong), having a liter capacity of 9,95-11,76 hp, French production , during the tests, often gave chips and cracks in the cylinders. But on large and fat armored cars it was necessary to put just such engines. How to install them when they break even without a heavy load? And if you need to shove the engine into the car, then you need to reduce the volume. And how much will he eat? I doubled the power, if the specific consumption is the same, then it will eat twice as much, and in order to reduce the specific consumption twice, you need to increase the pressure, insert superchargers, shovel the entire fuel system, etc. In general, there was so much crap with the engines, that it was easier to abandon the desire to build something passable and nimble. With tanks, the story is the same, there would be a possibility - the "rhombuses" would be injected with 300-500 hp, and a whole set of naval "body kits", stabilizers, rangefinders, loading mechanisms, etc.
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 13 February 2021 09: 07
      +2
      Quote: Coco
      Lenin spoke from such an armored car ... (very similar) wassat


      Wait. Soon.
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 13 February 2021 09: 18
        +7
        Quote: sergo1914
        Wait. Soon.

        Soon? If so, then the "tribune" - "Lasok 4-P", ready - it's up to the leader of the proletariat yes

        I, for example, do not know such a "leader" No. Or will you erect Leshenka Gapon on an armored car?
        1. faiver
          faiver 13 February 2021 16: 34
          +4
          Or will you erect Leshenka Gapon on an armored car?
          - I'll shoot the fuck myself with rubber bullets from a shotgun ...
    3. U-58
      U-58 13 February 2021 09: 14
      -1
      Like Austin?
  4. loki565
    loki565 13 February 2021 07: 45
    +8
    How could this have happened from the first option?))) But although it is clear who will ride it)))
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 13 February 2021 07: 53
      +2
      There was also an association with this cartoon.
  5. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 13 February 2021 07: 46
    +5
    I would like to believe that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has reasonable and, most importantly, honest people and will still stop this "zoo" of transport. Soon every car mechanic from every car service will begin to present his vision of the mobility of the RF Armed Forces and try to knock out budget funds under this insight. Or even more fun in every military unit oh ... stop Even though I probably turned it down, let there still be creative ideas - every platoon ... but what about a platoon, let every squad ride on its own unique and unparalleled technology, so that the logistics generally have no ends, well, in every workshop in Kulibin so that stuck his zest into the finished one.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 13 February 2021 23: 56
      0
      Even though I probably turned it down, let there still be creative ideas - every platoon ... but why is there a platoon, let every squad ride on its own unique and unparalleled technology, so that logistics generally have no ends
      hmm, judging by the photo in the article, this will be a menagerie of some kind for every platoon or squad, just a show of freaks, to the laughter of the gunners of a potential enemy ... wink
  6. Flooding
    Flooding 13 February 2021 07: 51
    +4
    When the AI ​​draws armored vehicles, it's steampunk.
    Again negligence. The developer of this is called PSC "Innovative Chassis"
    https://xn--80aaenmcc8aadahdc1ca0fyb.xn--p1ai/
  7. stalki
    stalki 13 February 2021 07: 52
    +9
    What an armored carriage. Only lackeys are not enough. Well, and decorate accordingly. And the red carpet in the trunk lol
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 13 February 2021 08: 16
      -6
      Quote: stalki
      What an armored carriage. Only lackeys are not enough. Well, and decorate accordingly. And the red carpet in the trunk lol
      I need to give it to the king ... yes
      1. stalki
        stalki 13 February 2021 08: 24
        +2
        I need to give it to the king ...
        Yes, Moroccan.
    2. Profiler
      Profiler 13 February 2021 08: 30
      +7
      Quote: stalki
      What an armored carriage. Only lackeys are not enough.

      I hope that THIS will not go into production, but as it should be for a carriage, it will turn into a pumpkin.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 13 February 2021 08: 34
      +1
      Quote: stalki
      What an armored carriage. Only lackeys are not enough. Well, and decorate accordingly. And the red carpet in the trunk lol

      The coachman at the driver's seat.
      Nearby rides a postilion on a motorcycle with a whip in his hand.
      On the heels there is a hayduk in a wig and livery with an AK around his neck.
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 13 February 2021 07: 54
    +2
    The names were not more concisely invented chtoli, the Russian language has become impoverished, apparently with Westernization.
  9. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 13 February 2021 08: 01
    +9
    All the same, military equipment should be aesthetic, beautiful, cause delight and a sense of pride. And here is some kind of carriage with a hood.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 February 2021 08: 22
    +7
    The car is equipped with an engine, other units and assemblies borrowed from serial Russian SUVs.

    So they would immediately write - UAZ-humpbacked, by analogy with the Little Humpbacked Horse.
  11. edmed
    edmed 13 February 2021 08: 39
    +11
    "This is what you can do from a Singer machine and a collective farm binder", well, the cast "Wildebeest" laughing
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 February 2021 08: 47
    +6
    The machine is equipped with an engine
    This fact is encouraging. But the lack of mention of the power of this engine in the article is depressing.
  13. tank66
    tank66 13 February 2021 09: 03
    0
    By the way, some of the "chaos" were equipped with dynamite belay self-destruction system
    For example this one.

    .The people were!
    1. tank66
      tank66 13 February 2021 09: 05
      +2
      did not stick
  14. Wilderness
    Wilderness 13 February 2021 09: 19
    +2
    Such a normal armored car. It will look good in the "jungle" of the central regions of Russia or the "prairies" of the Black Earth Region. The body, though wonderful, but there is logic in it. The width of a person in the area of ​​the seat and boots is rather small. And in the shoulder area it is already significant. Plus pea jackets, armors, knapsacks, pouches, etc. So it turns out that the body on top is better wider.
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  16. Adimius38
    Adimius38 13 February 2021 09: 24
    0
    The resemblance to the carriage is clearly present laughing
  17. bar
    bar 13 February 2021 09: 25
    +3
    I just want to say - "do not cook the pot". A bunch of these armored vehicles have already been driven. Even if each of them is super-duper fit for service, keeping such a zoo in the army is unrealistic. It's time for our MO to make a choice and not waste money on fantasies.
  18. Adimius38
    Adimius38 13 February 2021 09: 37
    +3
    To be honest, they really went crazy with these assorted armored cars, you see, you need to master budget money very well. But in fact, you need 2-3 classes of armored cars for the needs of the army (light, medium and heavy), for example, we have a Tiger, we also need a medium one like an M-ATV weighing more than 12500 kg, and Kamaz Typhoon corresponds to MRAP.
  19. Elena Akinfieva
    Elena Akinfieva 13 February 2021 09: 54
    +5
    They didn't bother with the design, they made a v-shaped armored capsule and that's it.
  20. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 13 February 2021 10: 01
    +3
    How to call it? 1. "New is well forgotten old" ... or 2. "Being able to step on the same rake twice"? There was a rush in the last century around the wedge ... It turned out to be "apolitical", you know! And sho? Again? If someone has a "wedge" itch in one place; then it is possible, as a last resort, not an armored car of "narrow split", but a "universal" platform, on which you can pile a lot ...: an armored capsule for a paratrooper, a box for ammunition, ATGM "Kornet-D", grenade launcher "Balkan" ...
  21. Ramadan
    Ramadan 13 February 2021 11: 01
    +2
    I wonder how much money they spent on this miracle of thought on their own initiative)
  22. Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 13 February 2021 11: 02
    +5
    Yeah ... a remarkable shushpanzer. There is definitely no such thing in the world. Evokes two associations: 1. The car of a detective from the Bremen Town Musicians. 2. hat of the mad hatter from Alice))).
    So many different armored vehicles have already been created that .. MTO is shocked by the variety of spare parts and their incompatibility in technology. there is no common standard. And everyone churns out what they want, from what they want. The main thing is to master the money.
  23. Dikson
    Dikson 13 February 2021 11: 03
    +3
    .. "After exactly 12 minutes of the battle your carriage will turn into a pumpkin" ... What a fierce, enchanting stupidity is going on ... Nobody remembers the angles of the armor at all? And what wings! The Americans will sue the Willys for copyright! .. Every "designer" dreams of biting off a piece of the money pie with the most crazy ideas and designs .. Give the airborne attack aircraft a self-propelled armored exoskeleton from the movie "Robocop" powered by a VAZ-2101 engine and take it easy!
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  25. lasroc
    lasroc 13 February 2021 11: 16
    +2
    "Lasok 4-P" of the 30s what
  26. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 February 2021 11: 22
    +3
    what that ..
    Did the child design?
    1. Alex 2020
      Alex 2020 13 February 2021 11: 30
      +3
      [quote The child designed?] [/ quote] What are you! Honest people from the research institute .. ward No. 6 laughing
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  28. Ksanatos
    Ksanatos 13 February 2021 12: 10
    0
    What's the difference what the transport looks like when you go to battle or to reconnaissance?
  29. cosmonaut
    cosmonaut 13 February 2021 12: 14
    +3
    this reminds me of something ... but as if Lenin's grandfather)
  30. MALUTA_2
    MALUTA_2 13 February 2021 12: 22
    -1
    Very correct geometric calculation. An armored SUV should look like this. Maximum protection against detonation and projectiles.
  31. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 13 February 2021 12: 55
    +2
    The empirialists are making a V-shaped bottom for mine protection purposes, we went further, the armored car itself was made V-shaped ...
    Ukrainian officials in the distant 2014 had the same armored car cheaper from garbage containers ...
  32. TOR2
    TOR2 13 February 2021 14: 25
    +1
    The curb weight of the product is 2045 kg, the total weight is 2700 kg, the carrying capacity is 650 kg,
    It falls into the category of passenger cars. It is a pity that the author did not indicate which engine the car will be equipped with. Developers must also release a civilian version.
  33. faiver
    faiver 13 February 2021 16: 41
    +3
    Thanks to the author and all the commentators, while reading I laughed to tears good
  34. Diverter
    Diverter 13 February 2021 17: 16
    +3
    So I'm kaneshna wildly sorry, but this pepelats is extremely ugly!
  35. Kushka
    Kushka 13 February 2021 19: 14
    0
    .. "after exactly 12 minutes of combat, your carriage will turn into a pumpkin .."
    Maybe earlier. You saw a photo from Donbass - a tower in one
    a ditch, tracks in another, and so a whole series of serious armor
    technology. And this soap dish won't survive for 2 minutes.
  36. fa2998
    fa2998 13 February 2021 19: 27
    +1
    4,5mm is power! Another (100500) armored wonder. How many projects are they paid for? lol hi hi
  37. Sedoy
    Sedoy 13 February 2021 21: 33
    0
    checkered...
  38. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 13 February 2021 21: 40
    +2
    Hmm, this "novelty" really looks like it's from the 30s. I like the look. A kind of RETRO. For the police to drive all sorts of Antifa, BLM, bulk and others like them, and other undesirable liberal elements just right. In Steampunk, it would look like a hurray. On a modern battlefield, a 4x4 armored car with a machine gun and 5mm armor has NOTHING to do. Low permeability, no armor, even from 12.7mm will not protect. If the creators of this obscenity were guided by HAMVI, then HAMVI is NOT an armored personnel carrier, and NOT an armored car. This is a replacement for JEEPU, not M113. On which they hung a little Kevlar. Of course, armored vehicles have their own niche. But in this niche there are machines like Centavro or Ruketa or AMX10. I mean a wheeled tank / Support weapon. With 90mm, 105mm or even 120mm cannon. And this is lewdness - just sawing the dough and a grave for the crew. I repeat, HAMVI is a replacement for a jeep and not an M113. If you want something small and biting, everything has already been done. The Germans have a tankette - Weasel - Weasel. On tracks, and from weapons to choose from either 20mm (you can also put a 25mm bushmaster) or ATGM, the Germans even shoved a 120mm mortar there. And this ferret will sort out all sorts of armored heads like the one shown, in part, without really trying. He has a higher permeability and a lower profile. This is what you need to do if you want something small and biting. His even the most fat version weighs 5 tons. Don't invent the lisapet. Having decided on the requirements, see what others are doing, and do BETTER.
  39. Vk engineer
    Vk engineer 13 February 2021 22: 31
    +5
    They laughed, and now they are serious:
    1. The design of an armored car is important only for sugary boys and their "chicks" - an armored car is not a Ferrari or Lamborghini, the car is designed for war, and the whole structure must be subordinate to this.
    2. And try at least from 200 meters to get from a grenade launcher into such a moving armored "soap dish" 1,72 m high or, for example, into a French armored car VBL (height -1,7 m), but in 7-ton armor - a coffin of the "Tiger" type, and even more so in a 13-ton armored bus "Typhoon 4x4" (height 2,6 m) you will hardly miss from a grenade launcher!
    3. In Syria alone, for several years of the war, the parties to the conflict have lost more than 2,5 tanks, a lot of infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Most often in urban battles, in cramped conditions, it was enough to have 8-9 compact armored vehicles on the battlefield, and on each machine gun cal. 12,7 mm and 2 7,62 mm machine guns - instead of 3-4 tanks with large-caliber cannons.
    And other and other advantages of light armored vehicles with large-caliber machine guns!

    For some reason, the Author didn’t say which edition this time hailed Russian technology, probably a “yellow” rag of some former republics of the USSR, or he simply wrote this article under someone’s order.
    Real experts immediately caught a special "trick" in this armored vehicle: facet technologies were used ("Rossiyskaya Gazeta" dated 10.02.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    1. Parabelum
      Parabelum 16 February 2021 07: 38
      0
      In my opinion, it is incorrect to compare the light armored car VBL and "Tiger". The Frenchman has a crew of 2-3 people, "Tiger" 2 people + Troopers 4-6, while the "Tiger" is 30 cm higher and 1,6 meters longer. And it is generally incorrect to compare with Typhoon. These are cars for various purposes, it's like comparing the Lada Grant and the onboard Kamaz. And the niche of a light armored car in Russia is still free.
  40. Rusnemez
    Rusnemez 13 February 2021 22: 53
    +9
    I read the comments, honestly weird, is this really a Military Review?

    On the topic, there is an armored car, usefulness in the possibility of transportation, maintainability, high cross-country ability, the presence of protection from fragments and infantry fire.
    The importance of having a place where there is warmth in winter and coolness * in the presence of an air conditioner * in summer, not to drag the entire exit on yourself, not knee-deep in water, mud, snow, and so on ... the presence of more powerful radio equipment and the same quadcopter ...
    Now go to "Design" "What's wrong ??? Rational angles are geometry + materials science ... sheets of 4,5 mm armor should fulfill their tasks as much as possible. By the way, this shape of the roof can give more protection to the fighters who will be behind the car when firing from heights, it turns out like a kind of visor.
    The engine compartment looks decent too, the calculated armor angles and the radiator shutter as well.

    Conclusion, this unit, if it passes the required tests in units, can be extremely useful and in demand for the Army.

    Maintainability and spare parts saturation ...
    [/ Quote]
    The machine is equipped with an engine, other units and assemblies borrowed from serial Russian SUVs. The body consists of a mine-resistant armored capsule that can accommodate 4 people, and a cargo compartment module, in which, if necessary, 3 people can be accommodated. landing. The thickness of the body armor is within 4,5 mm, in the frontal part - 6-8 mm. Basic protection class - 4th according to GOST R 50963 (5th - at the customer's option). [/ Quote]

    And an interesting view is only a plus ... the one who laughs last laughs.
    1. savage1976
      savage1976 14 February 2021 01: 53
      +2
      Wo has long ago turned into a booth of couch revolutionaries.
  41. Vk engineer
    Vk engineer 14 February 2021 03: 34
    +3
    I continue about armored vehicles and grenade launchers: ... at one of the conferences, representatives of the French army said that not a single VBL armored car was ever hit from an RPG, although over the past 25 years many of these armored vehicles were repeatedly exposed to this threat, tk. were actively fired upon by the rebels in all theaters. But at the same time, it turned out that it is quite difficult to get into a very small (length 3,87 m) and maneuverable armored vehicle with a low silhouette (height without a machine gun mount only 1,7 m) from an RPG. For comparison: the area of ​​the lateral projection of the Russian BA "Tiger" is about 9,4 square meters (capacity for 6 people), and the side projection of the French armored car VBL (for 4 people) is only 5,3 square meters ....
    Here, the ultra-compact French vehicle, its low silhouette and maneuverability have become part of a holistic strategic approach to the survivability of an armored vehicle in combat conditions. ... (magazine of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Army Collection": 1-2021, p. 78, http://army.milportal.ru/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/9xkVl8KiFv.pdf).

    Accordingly, the Typhoon 4x4 armored bus is even better as a target for a grenade launcher. the area of ​​its lateral surface is even larger, because it is significantly longer and higher than the BA "Tiger".
    It is known that the production of "... designer", 13-ton "Typhoon 4x4" is generously financed by the Ministry of Defense, although "Typhoon 4x4" is much more expensive than even the BTR-80, because for its entire armored hull, the expensive composite armor of the Israeli company "Plasan" is bought for currency (without the composite, this armored bus would be even heavier).

    If the developers additionally propose to use Lasok-4 as a “command UAZ”, it is possible that “Typhoon 4x4” can also be used as a “cool command UAZ” - for the headquarters of divisions and armies. for combat, such a machine is very massive and poorly adapted.

    The assembled several copies of the 14-ton Typhoon 4x4 with a combat module with a 30-mm cannon, at increased speed, are prone to overturning when cornering, because the module on the roof of the vehicle additionally has a mass of more than 1,0 tons
  42. Plowman
    Plowman 14 February 2021 08: 44
    +1
    Too many vertical surfaces ...
  43. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 14 February 2021 13: 06
    -2
    Horror. At this rate, it will reach horsepower carriages.
  44. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 14 February 2021 17: 07
    +1
    Unclear. How can this vehicle with armor weigh 2 tons, having weapons, ammunition, etc., if a mid-size passenger car (FV Passat) weighs 1.5 tons?
  45. Vk engineer
    Vk engineer 14 February 2021 18: 16
    +2
    Compact armored vehicles of the BA-64 type, armed with various machine guns and even DShK, cal. 12,7 mm, used in the USSR back in the Second World War.
    Moreover, the 12,7 mm caliber was used to destroy air targets, and was also effective for firing at an enemy hiding behind the walls of buildings.
    At the same time, the legendary Soviet light (combat weight - 2,4 tons) armored car BA-64 (1942-1945 g), see photo above, was also able to withstand shelling from the enemy's heavy machine gun - but only in the forehead, where the armor had " magic "highly rational angles of inclination and in some places reached a thickness of up to 15 mm.
    It is also known that armor-piercing bullets are cal. 12,7 mm can penetrate VERTICALLY placed one-piece armor plate with a thickness of 20 to 26 mm (depending on the hardness of the armor steel).
    When using spaced armor, the total thickness of the armor plates against cal. 12,7 mm (for non-penetration) could be effectively reduced by 2-3 mm or more, depending on the hardness of the armor plates used in the armor package.
  46. da Vinci
    da Vinci 14 February 2021 21: 17
    +1
    Duc still this car was not allowed into the series
  47. SIT
    SIT 14 February 2021 23: 27
    0
    Have these designers ever been outside the Moscow Ring Road? Off-road vehicle on 4 wheels weighing 3t? On it you have to go from collective farm to collective farm, so that there is where to get a tractor, to get it out of the shit. It is necessary at least 6 wheels and removed from the body, so that in the event of an explosion, the wheel would tear off, and not tear the car apart. Why does military equipment need a car layout? You can also put the driver in the center, and the commander (aka the shooter), sit behind and higher, like the MI24 cabin. The frontal projection of the vehicle will become smaller and the angles of the armor can be made such that there will be a continuous ricochet.
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 15 February 2021 11: 34
      +1
      Sorry, UAZ "Patriot" has a gross weight of over 2,6 tons. so I don't see a problem.
  48. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 15 February 2021 11: 30
    0
    As I understand it, the meaning of this "freak" is in the form, which, in turn, is determined by the inherent functionality. The shape of the V-shaped bottom and the negative angle of the hull has the right to exist as a passive mine protection because in case of detonation, the shock wave will diverge to the sides, reducing the load on the crew. I hope this is a deliberate decision, not a design creative)))
  49. Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 February 2021 12: 01
    0
    All forgotten D ... sometimes pops up ...

    Saw Shura weight, it is golden - this is me about cutting the budget ...
  50. andrew42
    andrew42 15 February 2021 12: 49
    0
    I realized that it reminds me! "Inhabited Island", aka "Youth of Mak Sima" :) They there with Garmash and Kutsenko filled up the same canoe in the forest.