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New weapons and trucks: the Georgian army has begun another modernization

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This year, another round of modernization of the Georgian armed forces began, carried out through the supply of equipment and combat systems of Western origin. Previous events of this kind resulted in the 2008 war.


As the Ministry of Defense of the country reported on February 11, the means of destruction were supplied "with the support of the main strategic partner - the United States." The deliveries included 12.7 mm M2 machine guns, new MK19 automatic grenade launchers and M249 light machine guns. This weapon is already at the disposal of the Georgian Defense Forces.

Equipping with new types of machine guns and grenade launchers is part of the process of updating and modernizing the army arsenal

- it is spoken in the message of military department.



On February 10, the Ministry of Defense informed about the massive renewal of the vehicle fleet of the country's armed forces. In total, over 300 units were purchased. special equipment, in particular IVECO fuel trucks, IVECO and MAN trucks. The vehicles were transferred to the 4th mechanized brigade located in Vaziani (near Tbilisi). Until 2001, a Russian military base was located here. Prior to that, FORD Ranger and Toyota Hilux pickups were purchased, as well as new Toyota Land Cruiser SUVs were purchased. In total, over 500 units are expected to arrive. automotive equipment.

Apparently, following these deliveries, we should expect further supply of new equipment and weapons. It is possible that the process of modernizing the army was provoked by Russia's military strengthening in the region after the end of the Karabakh war.

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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 February 2021 05: 53
    +10
    the next round of modernization of the armed forces of Georgia began, due to supplies equipment and combat systems of western origin... Previous events of this kind resulted in the 2008 war
    The Americans are now actively working to strengthen the Georgia-Moldova-Ukraine alliance, which, in their opinion, will serve as an irritant to Russia and play some role in its "containment." Therefore, weapons are stuffed not only with Georgia, but also with Ukraine. Whether this will result in another armed conflict will depend on the tasks set by Washington. But this option cannot be ruled out.
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 13 February 2021 06: 01
      +11
      But they were packed already in their time, there was little sense from this. Well, not Georgians warriors, well, no ... They sing songs and drink wine, and they gathered to fight with their northern neighbor somehow in the eighth year, so the northern animal quickly came to them.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 13 February 2021 06: 09
        +18
        The point is not whether the Georgians are fighters or not, but the fact that there are hostile states along the perimeter of our border with the presence of NATO troops.
      2. Professor
        Professor 13 February 2021 08: 56
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        Quote: Destiny
        But they were packed already in their time, there was little sense from this. Well, not Georgians warriors, well, no ... They sing songs and drink wine, and they gathered to fight with their northern neighbor somehow in the eighth year, so the northern animal quickly came to them.

        Remind me, please, did not the Georgians hoist the flag over the Reichstag under the Generalissimo of the Georgian? How many heroes of the USSR were Georgians?

        It is easy to argue whether the warriors or not, those who are attacked with a colossal superiority in strength.

        PS
        The technique, however, is good and reliable. He will serve in George for a long time.
        1. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 13 February 2021 09: 36
          +12
          Quote: Professor
          It is easy to argue whether the warriors or not, those who are attacked with a colossal superiority in strength.

          The professor is completely talking))) Russia did not attack any ..... or from the State Department new manuals brought up ??
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 February 2021 09: 49
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            Quote: Ramzaj99
            Quote: Professor
            It is easy to argue whether the warriors or not, those who are attacked with a colossal superiority in strength.

            The professor is completely talking))) Russia did not attack any ..... or from the State Department new manuals brought up ??

            Exactly. These are the Georgian troops entered the territory of the Russian Federation. This is exactly what happened. good
            1. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 13 February 2021 13: 03
              +21
              Quote: Professor
              Exactly. These are the Georgian troops entered the territory of the Russian Federation. This is exactly what happened.

              Well then, following your logic, the Jews attacked Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Palestine ..... Damn, you are worse than the Nazis ......
              1. Professor
                Professor 13 February 2021 13: 47
                .
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                Well then, following your logic, the Jews attacked Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Palestine ...

                Not. Israel was attacked from the territory of neighboring states. Once again: from their territory. Has Georgia attacked its neighbors or was fighting on its territory?
                I have not heard of Palestine at all. Where is it?

                Quote: Ramzaj99
                Damn, you're worse than the Nazis ...

                Don't worry about it. Everything will be fine.
                1. Ramzaj99
                  Ramzaj99 13 February 2021 14: 00
                  +13
                  Quote: Professor
                  Georgia attacked neighbors

                  EXACTLY, Georgia attacked its neighbors! At the same time, attacking the Russian military base. Maybe the professor has some pills to drink? I look really bad with memory .......
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 13 February 2021 19: 36
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                    Quote: Ramzaj99
                    Quote: Professor
                    Georgia attacked neighbors

                    EXACTLY, Georgia attacked its neighbors! At the same time, attacking the Russian military base. Maybe the professor has some pills to drink? I look really bad with memory .......

                    Georgia acted exclusively on its own territory, even in accordance with Russian laws. Learn materiel.
                    1. Ramzaj99
                      Ramzaj99 14 February 2021 00: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Georgia acted exclusively on its own territory, even in accordance with Russian laws. Learn materiel.

                      Professor you are so smart, just a genius, do me a favor, take me on a tour of South Ossetia, but be sure to call in government agencies and the border service. And then I probably have something with my eyesight that I just can't see the Georgian flags there. Professor, one of us is stupid, I've been on vacation in Ossetia in the summer and haven't seen the Georgian administration there .... It happens, again, probably the manuals from the State Department pumped up ??)) Professor, you slide below the Ukrainian Fake - new, but this is real bottom......
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 14 February 2021 07: 57
                        -3
                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Professor, you are so smart, just a genius, do me a favor, take me on a tour of South Ossetia, only with a call to government agencies and the border service. And then I probably have something with my eyesight that I just can't see the Georgian flags there.

                        8.8.8 South Ossetia was a sovereign territory of Georgia. Look at the maps of the Russian Foreign Ministry. The Foreign Ministry is lying?
                        Today South Ossetia is the territory of Georgia. Look at the UN maps.
                        Georgia acted on its OWN territory and certainly not on Russian territory.

                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Professor, one of us is stupid, I've been on vacation in Ossetia in the summer and haven't seen the Georgian administration there ... It happens, again, probably the manuals from the State Department pumped up ??))

                        Which of us is stupid and so it is clear and I am writing this not to you, but to those who read our "correspondence".
                        https://www.un.org/Depts/Cartographic/map/profile/georgia.pdf
                      2. Ramzaj99
                        Ramzaj99 14 February 2021 09: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: Professor
                        Which of us is stupid and so clear and I'm not writing this to you, but to those who read our

                        Professor, you perfectly understand that these are virtual countries. It does not matter what is there on the map, it only matters whose flag actually sticks out. (The Golan example, belongs to the one who draws the map))) Dozens of places in the world that are on the map in different borders, depending on which country the map is. Again, following your logic Israel is nothing, an empty space, since it was not on the maps quite recently ????
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 14 February 2021 11: 14
                        -9
                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Professor, you perfectly understand that these are virtual countries. It does not matter what is there on the map, it only matters whose flag actually sticks out.

                        I'm not talking about virtual, but real countries.

                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Golan example, belongs to the one who draws the map

                        Not. The Golan (or whatever it is in Arabic) belongs to Israel.

                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Dozens of places in the world that are on the map in different borders, depending on which country the map is. Again, following your logic Israel is nothing, an empty space, since it was not on the maps quite recently ????

                        Until 1948, Israel was not on the maps. Israel now exists both on maps and on earth. The same cannot be said about Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Both of them are parts of Georgy, although today they are managed and financed from Moscow.

                        Accordingly, Georgia did not attack any other country. By the way, the UN also recognized this.
                      4. Ramzaj99
                        Ramzaj99 14 February 2021 13: 15
                        0
                        Oh, it's hard to communicate with ....... person ......
                        You tell him that in fact Abkhazia and South Ossetia have nothing to do with Georgia. And Georgia has its own power and the army and borders, and the people who live there will never have anything to do with those who killed them ...
                        And he gives you cards cards cards.
                        You yourself understand that you are talking nonsense? And if one of the leaders now recognizes the map before 1948, when there was no Israel on the maps as valid, it will mean that Israel in fact does not exist and never was ?? What nonsense professor ??
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 14 February 2021 15: 44
                        -3
                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        Oh, it's hard to communicate with ....... person ......
                        You tell him that in fact Abkhazia and South Ossetia have nothing to do with Georgia. And Georgia has its own power and the army and borders, and the people who live there will never have anything to do with those who killed them ...

                        Ichkeria, too, was de facto independent for some time, but now lives in the Russian Federation despite the fact that they were killed. Although there will be those who say that today Ichkeria is a de facto independent country and Russian laws do not apply there. Nevertheless, it is Russian territory, just like South Ossetia and Abkhazia are Georgian.

                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        And he gives you cards cards cards.

                        It just so happens that maps are the most powerful tool in geography. Map of Georgia from the UN website, where the Russian Federation is not just a member, but a permanent member of the Security Council. Do you disagree with this organization? wink

                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        You yourself understand that you are talking nonsense? And if one of the leaders now recognizes the map before 1948, when there was no Israel on the maps as valid, it will mean that Israel in fact does not exist and never was ?? What nonsense professor ??

                        The territory of Israel does not correspond to the modern official maps of some countries. There are disputed territories. With George, the situation is different. Its territory is occupied by a neighboring state. This is what the UN says.
                      6. Ramzaj99
                        Ramzaj99 14 February 2021 19: 45
                        -1
                        You can look at the maps as much as you like and see the pink world ...
                        However, in fact, the territory is the country whose flag is installed there, and who is able to protect it, and not what is written in the maps, everything else is from the evil one. That's the point.
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 15 February 2021 15: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Ramzaj99
                        You can look at the maps as much as you like and see the pink world ...
                        However, in fact, the territory is the country whose flag is installed there, and who is able to protect it, and not what is written in the maps, everything else is from the evil one. That's the point.

                        Yes, at least 5 points. Then, according to you, Ukraine was the territory of the Third Reich since the Nazi flag was flying in Kiev in 1942.

                        Quote: businessv
                        Quote: Professor
                        Accordingly, Georgia did not attack any other country.


                        Georgia has attacked another country's peacekeepers, Professor! And another country has taken an adequate but very insufficient response. It was also necessary to deploy peacekeepers in Tbilisi.

                        There were no peacekeepers on 8.8.8/XNUMX/XNUMX in Georgia. for peacekeeping a mandate is needed, CEP. Otherwise it will turn out that the Americans are "peacekeepers" in Afghanistan.

                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        Tell Comrade Erdogan that Northern Cyprus is a territory under the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, and the Turkish 11th AK is a ghost ...
                        If the same Gollans belong to Israeli Jews, then what are the UN peacekeepers doing there ...

                        1. Northern Cyprus is a territory occupied by Turkey. This is the opinion of ALL international organizations.
                        2. In the Golan (or whatever they say in Arabic) there is not a single UN peacekeeper.

                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        I agree. Only she acted incl. destroying Russian peacekeepers with an international mandate in this territory, incl. recognized by Georgians ...

                        The Russian military did not have any mandate. Their term of office expired long before 8.8.8.

                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        So, killing the military unit of the peacekeeping contingent in the Conflict Zone and cutting off the genitals of the killed Georgians showed aggression against the entire Russian Federation, for which they now do not have their own Navy, Air Force and 1/4 of the territory ...
                        Until 08.08.08, the Georgian Army was preparing for only one task, to recapture South Ossetia and Abkhazia, with the genocide of the local population, which it already managed to carry out at the beginning of the 20th century after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and at the end of the 20th century after the collapse of the USSR. ... and in those and other cases, the Georgian nationalists were supported by the Empireists ...

                        Let's just not be scattered with loud words like "genocide". A good "genocide" if even now there are Ossetian schools on the territory of Georgia and Abkhazians from Abkhazia go to Georgia for treatment. On the other hand, the Ossetians and Abkhazians carried out ethnic cleansing and now there are no Georgian villages on their territory. So who is there and to whom carried out the genocide? Once again, to be called a "peacemaker" you must have a valid mandate.
                      8. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 16 February 2021 12: 48
                        +1
                        Professor, stop driving your Russophobic "blizzard". Someone boasted that even the sergeant was released after two years of captivity, like we are fighting for every soldier. So, as a result of Georgian stupidity ..... GIBLI Russian soldiers and Russian citizens, in South Ossetia Russians about 90%. The killers of our citizens and soldiers snatched away, but not in full. We also punish the murderers of our citizens and military personnel. Does this justification suit?
                      9. Professor
                        Professor 16 February 2021 13: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Professor, stop driving your Russophobic "blizzard". Someone boasted that even the sergeant was released after two years of captivity, like we are fighting for every soldier. So, as a result of Georgian stupidity ..... GIBLI Russian soldiers and Russian citizens, in South Ossetia Russians about 90%.

                        How did it happen that on 8.8.8 so many Russian citizens ended up abroad? Why was the evacuation to the Motherland not organized? Why are these 90% not at home in the Russian Federation now?

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        The killers of our citizens and soldiers snatched away, but not in full.

                        I find it difficult to understand why your citizens and soldiers ended up abroad in the territory OTHER state?
                        Why was the purpose of the military operation not voiced anywhere "return your citizens and soldiers to their homeland"?

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        We also punish the killers of our citizens and military personnel. Does this justification suit?

                        That you punish the murderers is fine with me. I do not understand the explanations of which of your superiors brought to the situation that 90% of the population of the dangerous territory of the neighboring country were your citizens? Why were they not taken to their homeland in an organized manner? Who was responsible for such a crime?
                      10. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 16 February 2021 15: 09
                        +1
                        I find it difficult to understand why your citizens and soldiers ended up abroad in the territory of ANOTHER state?

                        Should you write for the Golan now or later? And the capital of Israel in Jerusalem is not recognized by any mandate from the Security Council. The question is - what are you doing there then?
                        Regarding the location of our citizens and the military - until 08.08.08, this was not a problem (armed cleansing). And then suddenly ..... suddenly appeared. Are you the leaders of anti-Israeli movements in other countries .... eliminate? So why can't we ask for the deaths of our citizens and soldiers? International law? So you yourself do not fulfill it, in your region you use the right of force. Will we also climb more? Ogrebut. Any questions?
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 16 February 2021 18: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Should you write for the Golan now or later? And the capital of Israel in Jerusalem is not recognized by any mandate from the Security Council. The question is - what are you doing there then?

                        Write, write. The Golan (or whatever they say in Arabic) is the territory of Israel. South Ossetia is not the territory of the Russian Federation. Jerusalem is recognized as the capital of Israel by the same UN. South Ossetia is not recognized by anyone as the territory of the Russian Federation.

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Regarding the location of our citizens and the military - until 08.08.08, this was not a problem (armed cleansing). And then suddenly ..... suddenly appeared.

                        I do not understand the explanations of which of your superiors brought to the situation that 90% of the population of the dangerous territory of the neighboring country were your citizens? Why were they not taken to their homeland in an organized manner?
                        Who was responsible for such a crime?

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Are you the leaders of anti-Israeli movements in other countries .... eliminate?

                        Not. We do not eliminate it.

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        So why can't we ask for the deaths of our citizens and soldiers?

                        I find it difficult to understand why your citizens and soldiers ended up abroad in the territory of ANOTHER state?
                        Why was the purpose of the military operation "to return your citizens and soldiers to their homeland" not voiced anywhere?

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        International law? So you yourself do not fulfill it, in your region you use the right of force. Will we also climb more? Ogrebut.

                        We adhere to International Law. We evacuated tens of thousands of Jews from Ethiopia, rather than bombing Ethiopia and violating its sovereignty. Why didn't you evacuate your citizens to their homeland?

                        Quote: Okolotochny
                        Will we also climb more? Ogrebut. Any questions?

                        They didn't go anywhere. They are on their sovereign territory. You climbed into their territory. The questions are the same. You never answered them.
        2. businessv
          businessv 14 February 2021 15: 44
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Accordingly, Georgia did not attack any other country.

          Georgia has attacked another country's peacekeepers, Professor! And another country has taken an adequate but very insufficient response. It was also necessary to deploy peacekeepers in Tbilisi.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 14 February 2021 19: 58
      -2
      Professor (Sokolov Oleg)Today South Ossetia is the territory of Georgia. Look at the UN maps.

      Tell Comrade Erdogan that Northern Cyprus is a territory under the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus, and the Turkish 11th AK is a ghost ...
      If the same Gollans belong to Israeli Jews, then what are the UN peacekeepers doing there ...
      Georgia acted on its OWN territory and certainly not on Russian territory.

      I agree. Only she acted incl. destroying Russian peacekeepers with an international mandate in this territory, incl. recognized by Georgians ...
      So, killing the military unit of the peacekeeping contingent in the Conflict Zone and cutting off the genitals of the killed Georgians showed aggression against the entire Russian Federation, for which they now do not have their own Navy, Air Force and 1/4 of the territory ...
      Until 08.08.08, the Georgian Army was preparing for only one task, to recapture South Ossetia and Abkhazia, with the genocide of the local population, which it already managed to carry out at the beginning of the 20th century after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia and at the end of the 20th century after the collapse of the USSR. ... and in those and other cases, the Georgian nationalists were supported by the Empireists ...
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 16 February 2021 11: 51
    0
    Attack on the base of the Russian Armed Forces operating on the territory under the UN mandate. With the first shot they put themselves OUTSIDE THE LAW!
  • Nemchinov Vl
    Nemchinov Vl 13 February 2021 14: 38
    +9
    Quote: Professor
    I have not heard of Palestine at all. Where is it?
    well, like this You live on their territory (!)... The name “Palestine” comes from “Philistia” (Hebrew ארץ פלשת, [Éretz-P (e) léhet]) - the name of the part of the Mediterranean coast inhabited in ancient times by the Philistines [28] (Hebrew פלישתים, plishtim) present Israel
    But about Israel before 1948 ... ? !! request you're right - NO ONE heard !!! yes
    and also this ..., -
    Quote: Professor
    ... Don't worry like that. Everything will be fine.
    , and calm down (!). wink
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  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 13 February 2021 15: 28
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Exactly. These are the Georgian troops entered the territory of the Russian Federation. This is exactly what happened.

    Read:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281990.stm
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 04: 40
    0
    Yes, do you doubt it?
  • mvg
    mvg 14 February 2021 02: 29
    -7
    Russia did not attack.

    The animal then, along the way, is going to visit you ... Both the Russian Federation and the USSR and Tsarist Russia attacked the first and more than once. Example 1940, Chukhlandia.
  • prior
    prior 13 February 2021 09: 59
    +10
    The flag of Victory over the Reichstag was raised by a Soviet soldier.
    Professor, don't you know the elementary ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2021 10: 07
      .
      Quote: prior
      The flag of Victory over the Reichstag was raised by a Soviet soldier.
      Professor, don't you know the elementary ...

      ... and the fifth column was "Georgian", not "Soviet".
      1. prior
        prior 13 February 2021 10: 11
        +3
        Precisely - that the fifth ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 13 February 2021 10: 13
          .
          Quote: prior
          Precisely - that the fifth ...

          1. Name
          2. Surname
          3. Patronymic
          4. Date of birth
          5. Nationality

          And not a word about Sovietness. fellow
          1. prior
            prior 13 February 2021 10: 21
            +4
            Alas, now it is necessary to be ashamed of this graph, and not to be proud.
            Apart from being the largest number of thieves in law, Georgia has nothing to boast about.
            1. Professor
              Professor 13 February 2021 10: 25
              .
              Quote: prior
              Alas, now it is necessary to be ashamed of this graph, and not to be proud.
              Apart from being the largest number of thieves in law, Georgia has nothing to boast about.

              In the sense of "nothing to brag about"? For example a very low level of corruption. Very high life expectancy. Or this one:
              1. prior
                prior 13 February 2021 10: 28
                +11
                And Georgia is welcome here? It was built by the Turks, owned by the Turks, and the Georgians cannot even afford to rest in these hotels.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 13 February 2021 10: 32
                  .
                  Quote: prior
                  And Georgia is welcome here? It was built by the Turks, owned by the Turks, and the Georgians cannot even afford to rest in these hotels.

                  This is the Georgian Batumi. These are jobs in Georgia, these are taxes to the budget of Georgia, not Turkey. Let's look at the neighbors in Abkhazia?
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 13 February 2021 11: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  This is the Georgian Batumi.

                  De jure Georgia, and de facto Turkey. Today Georgia, and tomorrow "inshallah".
                3. Professor
                  Professor 13 February 2021 13: 25
                  -6
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  Quote: Professor
                  This is the Georgian Batumi.

                  De jure Georgia, and de facto Turkey. Today Georgia, and tomorrow "inshallah".

                  Then Moscow City is also not RF.
            2. pyagomail.ru
              pyagomail.ru 13 February 2021 11: 08
              +11
              Quote: prior
              And Georgia is welcome here? It was built by the Turks, owned by the Turks, and the Georgians cannot even afford to rest in these hotels.

              Was in Georgia Georgia in 2017 - beggar unpromising the country. Remnants of the former luxury from Soviet times, in Tbilisi - several new buildings, built with US money. The bright spot is Batumi, rebuilt by the Turks. By the way, there are a lot of ads in Russian: "Apartments for sale, apartments ..."
          2. Verkhovskaya
            Verkhovskaya 13 February 2021 18: 44
            +1
            Very low corruption? Are you sure? High levels of corruption suddenly show up in countries where the United States decides to start democratizing. Not later - not earlier.
            1. Professor
              Professor 13 February 2021 19: 42
              -7
              Quote: Verkhovskaya
              Very low corruption? Are you sure? High levels of corruption suddenly show up in countries where the United States decides to start democratizing. Not later - not earlier.

              Yes, very low. Yes I am sure.
          3. Sergey Averchenkov
            Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 04: 43
            +2
            You're not a Jew - you are a provocateur. I know Jews, they are not you.
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 13 February 2021 12: 21
        +8
        Quote: Professor
        And not a word about Sovietness.
        here you are wrong recourse Professor (!). (before your "misfires" put a number of pluses, for objectivity) .... wink
        But, about Sovietness, - it was already put on the TITLE page, - "Passport citizen of the Soviet Union " !!!. yes hi
        1. Professor
          Professor 13 February 2021 13: 27
          .
          Quote: Nemchinov Vl
          Quote: Professor
          And not a word about Sovietness.
          here you are wrong recourse Professor (!). (before your "misfires" put a number of pluses, for objectivity) .... wink
          But, about Sovietness, - it was already put on the TITLE page, - "Passport citizen of the Soviet Union " !!!. yes hi

          ... and in this passport again "NATIONALITY" which "divided the Soviet people, but did not unite ..
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 February 2021 14: 00
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            and in this passport again "NATIONALITY" which "divided the Soviet people, not united them.

            And what has to do with nationality, everyone lived in the USSR and all were Soviet people, and no matter what nationality you were. We were citizens of the USSR. And now everyone is measured by their nationalities, who is more important and who is higher. What comes out of this, everyone can see, but no one gets better. So you left for Israel, well, live and rejoice, but you shouldn't be sarcastic about the country that gave you life, whatever it may be in your understanding.
            1. Professor
              Professor 13 February 2021 19: 23
              -5
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And what has to do with nationality, everyone lived in the USSR and all were Soviet people, and no matter what nationality you were. We were citizens of the USSR.

              I bet you are Russian. "Natsmen" would never have written such a thing.

              Quote: tihonmarine
              And now everyone is measured by their nationalities, who is more important and who is higher. What comes out of this, everyone can see, but no one gets better. So you left for Israel, well, live and rejoice, but you shouldn't be sarcastic about the country that gave you life, whatever it might be in your understanding.

              Life was given to me not by the country, but by my parents. And internationalism did not exist. As a rule, ordinary Russian great-power chauvinists were hiding under the "internationalists".
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 February 2021 23: 33
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              As a rule, ordinary Russian great-power chauvinists were hiding under the "internationalists".

              The Bolshevik-Leninists and "Bundists" were hiding under the internationalists, and the common people, like me, didn’t care what nation you had. When up to 20 people of different nationalities worked for me, then everyone lived normally, in cramped conditions and for six months in the seas. The main criterion is how you work.
              Well, therefore, your compatriots in the seas were one hundred and one, but they were worthy and respected people, in the sea shit is immediately swept away.
        2. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 13 February 2021 14: 25
          +4
          At first, I just pointed out to you, to your "obvious blunder", nothing more (!)...
          Quote: Professor
          ... and in this passport again "NATIONALITY" which "divided the Soviet people, but did not unite ..

          again you risk (!) wink , you wish to admit - "the second mistake" ? !! winked
          Think for yourself: If nationality in passport, only the fifth line / graph, But citizenship (!), rendered into capital (title) sheet ... ? !! belay recourse So in to a greater extent: still divided, or combined ? !! lol
          For rent even the "leader of the nations"pulling such here twitching, besieged them proudly uttered, - "I am a Russian man of Georgian nationality !!"... yes (this Secondly !!!)
          Well, if, in his phrase, you begin to underline (flirting ... I foresee right away) word they say he said - "Russian", not "Soviet" (!), then really, it will be completely funny !!! hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 February 2021 19: 28
            -8
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            Firstly, I just pointed out to you, your "obvious blunder", nothing more (!) ...

            No blooper.

            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            again you risk (!), want to admit - "second mistake" ?!
            Think for yourself: If the nationality is in the passport, only the fifth line / column, but the citizenship (!), Is put on the title (title) page ...? !! So to a greater extent: did it divide, or unite? !!

            The nationality was immediately after the name and date of birth. This was the case in all the questionnaires. Citizenship was not mentioned there at all. By the way, in a foreign passport suddenly "nationality" became "Soviet". wink

            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            Even the "leader of the peoples" surrenders, pulling at such distorting ones, besieging them proudly saying, - "I am a Russian man, of Georgian nationality !!" ... (this is the second thing !!!)
            Well, if, in his phrase you begin to emphasize (flirting ... I foresee right away) the word he said - "Russian", and not "Soviet" (!), Then really, it will be completely funny !!!

            Nevertheless, he did not call himself "Soviet". "Shuravi" was the name of all Soviet Afghans. Nobody else.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 February 2021 11: 50
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Remind me, please, did not the Georgians hoist the flag over the Reichstag under the Generalissimo of the Georgian? How many heroes of the USSR were Georgians?

    Then we were all Soviet people, and we all fought the same way, Russians, Georgians, Jews and all the people of our country. Now they fled to the national apartments, and sharpen knives against each other. What the Fuhrer did not do with Braunau was done by the Gorbachev-Yeltsins.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 18
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    It is easy to argue whether the warriors or not, those who are attacked with a colossal superiority in strength.

    Are you talking about the Georgian attack on Ossetia?
    Please remind me if a Georgian flag was hoisted over the Reichstag

    Was there a selection by nationality? He won the "tender"?
    And here's more about nationality
    1. Professor
      Professor 13 February 2021 13: 31
      -7
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Are you talking about the Georgian attack on Ossetia?

      Georgians attacked Ossetia which was part of Georgia? So you will soon agree that the Russian Federation attacked Ichkeria.
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Was there a selection by nationality? He won the "tender"?
      And here's more about nationality

      You better tell us about the quotas for universities, depending on nationality. It turns out that not all were equal in case of equality.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 February 2021 13: 44
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Georgians attacked Ossetia which was part of Georgia?

        What are you saying belay
        And our peacekeepers who were killed by the Georgians were also part of Georgia?
        You better tell us about the quotas for universities, depending on nationality.

        Did you talk about universities here?
        Please remind me if a Georgian flag was hoisted over the Reichstag

        It is not necessary to juggle like a steamer sharper. The professor is like ...
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        1. Professor
          Professor 13 February 2021 19: 19
          -4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          For example, in military schools.

          Let's leave the example of flight schools aside. A separate topic. But I can tell you how the Jews were "sent" to serve in the Western Group of Forces. Neither gifts, nor bribes, nor complaints to Moscow helped.

          PS
          My father, as a young lieutenant after college, ended up in the ZakVO. The general in the personnel department (or whatever he was called there), examining the questionnaire, asks: "How do you feel about the fact that you are a Jew?" A curtain and long, prolonged applause.

          Quote: Aleks tv
          There I forgot how to divide people by nationality.

          Whoever needed it perfectly divided. The chief of my father from the headquarters of the district: "You are ... an excellent officer, but I will not even send your case for translation. You yourself know why. Accept that you will retire from the ZakVO."
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 13 February 2021 19: 48
            +1
            ... serve in the Western Group of Forces.
            you will retire from ZakVO. "

            Oleg, my "Okruga" for some reason also did not differ in sophistication and moved in the Urals, Eastern Siberia and beyond Baikal.
            But no, I'm lying, there were five more vouchers to the Caucasian mineral waters, so sometimes they were allowed to rest.))
            There were fellow Jews there as well.
            And we all dreamed of "transferring" together.
            No one succeeded.))
            laughing
            By the way, they didn't get to Africa as advisers either. Neither I, the tanker, nor he, the signalman.
            He was exiled to the ZabVO, but that he was a Jew, I was for ... Russian obstinacy.
            So ... Philosophy is to blame, radish.))
            wink
            Dad also took a sip, for not bending over, he retired as a lieutenant colonel with almost no awards, although he was a LEGEND.
            He taught me everything ...
            1. Professor
              Professor 13 February 2021 19: 54
              0
              Quote: Aleks tv
              And we all dreamed of "transferring" together.
              No one succeeded.))

              So they didn't know the stake in the district headquarters to carry gifts. In ZakVO it worked, but not for Jews. A neighbor transported "tons" of smoked fish to Tbilisi and was able to transfer to Sakhalin.

              Quote: Aleks tv
              By the way, they didn't get to Africa as advisers either. Neither I, the tanker, nor he, the signalman.
              He was exiled to ZabVO, but because he was a Jew, I was for obstinacy.
              So ... Philosophy is to blame.))

              Do you understand the difference? You for your behavior (if you wanted to, you could behave agreeably), and his for the fifth column. He could not influence this in any way.
              And imagine what a dream: to serve in the Odessa Military District or in the Crimea, or as my colleague in the Baltics. There to quit the term of service and stay there. wink
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 13 February 2021 20: 21
                +1
                .
                Do you understand the difference? You for your behavior (if you wish, you could behave agreeably

                I understand the difference:
                - There are normal men,
                - There are rubber products.

                We were NORMAL men with him, we even took a special man with us to Taiga and returned to the whole Motherland.))
                And to be "flexible" ... That is, a rubber product?
                Not...))
                It is, of course, easier for them to receive all sorts of goodies, but ... Serving is more difficult, anyway there are more normal men, but among them there is to serve.
                You can't hide in the Army - everyone knows everything about each other, the garrisons-distances are not an obstacle for word of mouth.
                It is possible to get dirty quickly - from washing - no. Rumor will find.

                So ... Philosophy is everything, yours, hers, division.
                And all sorts of freaks in all ages have enough warriors.
                yes
                1. Professor
                  Professor 13 February 2021 20: 28
                  -2
                  Quote: Aleks tv
                  .
                  Do you understand the difference? You for your behavior (if you wish, you could behave agreeably

                  I understand the difference:
                  - There are normal men,
                  - There are rubber products.

                  We were NORMAL men with him, we even took a special man with us to Taiga and returned to the whole Motherland.))
                  And to be "flexible" ... That is, a rubber product?
                  Not...))
                  It is, of course, easier for them to receive all sorts of goodies, but ... Serving is more difficult, anyway there are more normal men, but among them there is to serve.
                  You can't hide in the Army - everyone knows everything about each other, the garrisons-distances are not an obstacle for word of mouth.
                  It is possible to get dirty quickly - from washing - no. Rumor will find.

                  So ... Philosophy is everything, yours, hers, division.
                  And all sorts of freaks in all ages have enough warriors.
                  yes

                  You yourself know that there were plenty of those who walked over their heads. Many have gone far ...
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 13 February 2021 21: 14
                  0
                  ... You yourself know that there were plenty of those who walked over their heads. Many have gone far ...

                  Yes.
                  Moreover, the career is always ... Ahem, head bumping. Of the three company commanders, only ONE will become a battalion commander.

                  It has always been:
                  Would you like another star for shoulder straps?
                  Go to Tmutarakan! There is your star!
                  Do you want to go to darkness?!?!?!
                  Well, tady ... your test for lice begins ...))
                  This has always been the case at all latitudes and times.
                  yes
                  I remembered:
                  In one forgotten by all garrison, a simple line battalion commander went up. The Varangians categorically did not want to go there - give a little star, well ...
                  Personnel gave the go-ahead to choose from among their own: three company commanders: a Russian, a Jew with excellent companies and ... one more)))
                  The third became the battalion commander !!!
                  Because the Russian and his wife divorced and they got him in the party line almost immoral.
                  laughing... Here is WHERETUTLOGIKA !!!
                  The third drank himself to death, the Jew became the battalion commander ... since the Varangians never arrived)). Circus, aphids.
                  He was a good man.
                  good
                  Army, move ...
                  It was not boring.))
                  Wah.
                  wassat
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 February 2021 23: 41
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      You better tell us about the quotas for universities, depending on nationality. It turns out that not all were equal in case of equality.

      That's for sure, there were quotas, especially in Bauman, where 70% were Jews, and in Moscow State University up to half, and the Russian Leningrad Mining Institute, veterinary and all chemical departments.
      1. d1975
        d1975 13 February 2021 23: 57
        +1
        You still missed medicine! There they were a dime a dozen!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 February 2021 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: d1975
          You still missed medicine! There they were a dime a dozen!

          I remember Vysotsky, "if it weren't for .... Jews, we all had teeth."
      2. Professor
        Professor 14 February 2021 07: 52
        -6
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The Bolshevik-Leninists and "Bundists" were hiding under the internationalists, and the common people, like me, didn’t care what nation you had. When up to 20 people of different nationalities worked for me, then everyone lived normally, in cramped conditions and for six months in the seas. The main criterion is how you work.

        Not 70%, but 700%. Why lie so humbly? There were quotas for Jews in Moscow universities, and in Baumanka too. More quotas were not taken. Look for a reference?

        Quote: d1975
        You still missed medicine! There they were a dime a dozen!

        And they did not want to take Jews to medical universities. I can tell you on a family example.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 14 February 2021 14: 29
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Not 70%, but 700%. Why lie so humbly? There were quotas for Jews in Moscow universities, and in Baumanka too. More quotas were not taken. Look for a reference?

          Tell this in your own Israel, or in the USA, they will believe there, but in Russia and in the USSR everyone knew perfectly well where who and how much studied. Some military schools didn’t take you, that’s for sure. And it was impossible to imagine a submariner in Gadzhievo or Gremikha.
          1. Professor
            Professor 14 February 2021 15: 52
            -3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Professor
            Not 70%, but 700%. Why lie so humbly? There were quotas for Jews in Moscow universities, and in Baumanka too. More quotas were not taken. Look for a reference?

            Tell this in your own Israel, or in the USA, they will believe there, but in Russia and in the USSR everyone knew perfectly well where who and how much studied. Some military schools didn’t take you, that’s for sure. And it was impossible to imagine a submariner in Gadzhievo or Gremikha.

            Who are the "Aids" I do not know. Nevertheless, not only we are well aware of the policy of state anti-Semitism in the USSR. Many books have been written and a lot of research done on this topic.
            https://www.svoboda.org/a/126672.html
            https://sites.math.rutgers.edu/~vretakh/gelfand-russ.pdf
            https://polit.ru/article/2011/08/04/polterovich/
            http://www.ams.org/notices/199910/fea-saul.pdf
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 14 February 2021 16: 13
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Many books have been written and a lot of research done on this topic.
              https://www.svoboda.org/a/126672.html

              Who would have doubted, but I had no doubt that you will give a link to Nashtat's "Freedom", for you it is a bible, but for us it is a "linden".
              They have been trying to cram this "Ozetov" propaganda into our brains since 1954.
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 February 2021 21: 00
                -2
                Quote: tihonmarine
                Who would have doubted, but I had no doubt that you will give a link to Nashtat's "Freedom", for you it is a bible, but for us it is a "linden".

                Do you want this to be published in the Pravda newspaper? You are funny however. I am glad that there are no complaints about the content.

                Quote: tihonmarine
                They have been trying to cram this "Ozetov" propaganda into our brains since 1954.

                Where and what they push you to me is not interesting.

                NES professor, Candidate of Physical and Mathematical Sciences Konstantin Sonin wrote in 2012 that the anti-Semitism of the 70s and 80s resulted in the modern decline of the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics at Moscow State University, which “once could compete with several leading faculties of America, but now, it seems, is not included. in the top three in Russia ”.

                The result of discrimination was the massive emigration of Jewish mathematicians from the USSR. Professor Melvin Nathanson of the University of New York in 1980 compared it to the outflow of scientific personnel from Nazi Germany and predicted that because of such a policy in the future, the USSR would not be able to compete with the West in the field of science and would be dependent on imported technology. The renowned science historian Lauren Graham wrote in 1984 that anti-Semitism severely damaged Soviet science, including mathematics. Academician Viktor Vasiliev, President of the Moscow Mathematical Society, shares a similar opinion. At a conference of RAS scientists on August 29, 2013, he said that the consequences of the activities of the Soviet "party-state anti-Semites" are irreparable and very painful for Russian mathematics.


                https://berkovich-zametki.com/2011/Zametki/Nomer7/Calenko1.php
                https://polit.ru/article/2013/09/10/vassiliev_math_conf_ras/
    3. d1975
      d1975 13 February 2021 23: 55
      -1
      Professor I'm shocked by you and your answers! fool
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 February 2021 10: 44
        0
        Quote: d1975
        Professor I'm shocked by you and your answers!

        I'm not shocked, I just know that nothing else can be expected from them. You need to live together from childhood, then a lot becomes clear.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 February 2021 14: 09
    +2
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Was there a selection by nationality? He won the "tender"?
    And here are the memories of the Second World War "A powerful roar and the first shells from hundreds of barrels exploded in Berlin. Artillery commander of the 2nd Iankov army, Lieutenant General Grigory Davidovich Plaskov cried and shouted, overlapping the thunder of his guns:" Look, Sema, you just look! Jew Grigory Plaskov is beating this Hitler. bitch right in the head! Beat, beat him, lads! Beat, for Babi Yar, for the torment of our people! Fire, more fire, more fire! .. " He was a citizen of the USSR.
  • the finish
    the finish 13 February 2021 17: 03
    0
    Andreasyan passed away a month ago.
  • Dimon Krasnodar
    Dimon Krasnodar 13 February 2021 15: 57
    +3
    Friend, I'll correct you a little.
    Russia was not the first to start hostilities, but it was Georgia that attacked the peacekeepers of the Russian Federation acting according to the established mandate.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 13 February 2021 17: 12
    0
    So Canaria is Mingrelian, not Georgians. Moreover, Kantaria was not the first to hoist the flag.
  • krillon
    krillon 13 February 2021 20: 42
    0
    So what? Was Israel not attacked with a colossal superiority of forces? Or maybe the Jews had more desire to defend their state, in contrast to George?
  • d1975
    d1975 13 February 2021 23: 51
    -1
    I don’t remember which of our commanders said that the presence of Russians is less than 50% in the unit, such a unit would be incapable of combat! So I think you, on the basis of even this, have stuck cons. Filter emotions and think you can do it! hi
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 16 February 2021 11: 49
    0
    Let me remind you: Alexey Berest, Mikhail Egorov and Meliton Kantaria. Not just Meliton Cantaria. And Generalisimo Stalin never positioned himself as a Georgian. On the contrary, he always wrote and said that he was Russian. But he invested in this concept not just the ethnic component, but precisely all the inhabitants of the USSR.
    That's how you distort history.
  • Equalized
    Equalized 13 February 2021 11: 18
    +2
    You would be ashamed to write this about a nation that won the Battle of Didgor. And another hundred or two.
    A Georgian is not a warrior is a very harmful and incorrect concept that has been actively replicated recently, especially after 2008.

    Reminds of the Armenian attitude towards Azerbaijanis before the 2020 war. an Azerbaijani is not a warrior, an Azerbaijani cannot do anything, and so on.

    Such reasoning is not serious. The fact that Georgia lost the 2008 war to Russia means nothing.
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 13 February 2021 06: 10
    +7
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Whether this will result in another armed conflict will depend on the tasks set by Washington. But this option cannot be ruled out.

    "If the gun hangs, it will fire sooner or later."
    Didn't try literally, just conveyed the meaning
    It will not start today or tomorrow, but in the foreseeable future, it is quite and quite likely
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 09
      -1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      "If the gun hangs, it will fire sooner or later."
      Didn't try literally, just conveyed the meaning

      Georgians love to have a carpet on the wall and hang old sabers, pistols, and guns on the carpet. And they will hang a grenade launcher next to them, which also shoots once a year, this will be either a salute or fireworks.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 22
        -1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        it will be either fireworks or fireworks.

        Are they saluting at the commemoration?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Are they saluting at the commemoration?

          Well, the last honor is given to the military by salute.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 54
            -2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Well, the last honor is given to the military by salute.

            I'm not talking about a funeral. I'm talking about the commemoration of the former country
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 February 2021 14: 12
              -3
              Quote: Lipchanin
              I'm talking about the commemoration of the former country

              And at the commemoration on November 7, I only drink a glass in silence, FOR.
  • dSK
    dSK 13 February 2021 07: 11
    +4
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Americans today are actively working to strengthen the Georgia-Moldova-Ukraine alliance
    These three countries consider themselves to have lost territory due to Russia's actions. It is easier to create "cannon fodder" from them ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 February 2021 07: 15
      0
      Quote: dsk
      It is easier to create "cannon fodder" from them ...

      You just need to "step on a sore spot", promise, arm, prepare, pay and calmly wait for the result.
      Then reward with cookies
      1. stalki
        stalki 13 February 2021 08: 05
        +1
        You just need to "step on a sore spot", promise, arm, prepare, pay and calmly wait for the result.
        Then reward with cookies
        What to reward for? For the next teasing in our direction? All this political riffraff will be waiting for the fall. These are not war, they are vultures. While they wait they will die of hunger.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 February 2021 08: 18
          0
          Quote: stalki
          What to reward for? Z

          And why did Nuland give out cookies on the Maidan?
          So this is the same, only on a larger scale
          1. stalki
            stalki 13 February 2021 08: 30
            -2
            And why did Nuland give out cookies on the Maidan?
            So this is the same, only on a larger scale
            Cookies were handed out for the collapse of their own country. And here a hint of shooting at a neighbor will not work. No cookies.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 14
              0
              Quote: stalki
              And here a hint of shooting at a neighbor won't work.

              Well, if Sakkashvili had a ride, then why not now?
            2. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 23
              -1
              Quote: stalki
              And here a hint of shooting at a neighbor won't work.

              And what did they do in 2008?
              Who were they shot at? Whose planes were shot down?
          2. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 13 February 2021 09: 23
            +3
            I'm afraid the Georgians will have to cover the second eye with their palm.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 24
              -2
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              I'm afraid the Georgians will have to cover the second eye with their palm.

              And chew socks
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 11
        0
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Then reward with cookies

        The rulers are dollars, "piplam" liver-zero. Should work, it worked on the outskirts.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 43
          -1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Should work, it worked on the outskirts.

          In my memory, it didn't work only in Belarus.
          And that's not a fact yet
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 51
            0
            Quote: Lipchanin
            In my memory, it didn't work only in Belarus.
            And that's not a fact yet

            It hasn’t worked yet, but the grain was thrown in the field.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 55
              -2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              It hasn’t worked yet, but the grain was thrown in the field.

              Here I am about it
              No wonder the Old Man spoke about the change of power
  • Tusv
    Tusv 13 February 2021 06: 02
    +4
    located in Vaziani (near Tbilisi). Until 2001, a Russian military base was located here.

    Why didn't they restore it in Eight? Now the Kakhetian kingdom must be restored somehow, so that NATO does not go back again
    1. dSK
      dSK 13 February 2021 07: 14
      +1
      Georgian Adjara, for example, is already de facto Turkish. And while official Tbilisi is shouting about Russian aggression, Erdogan is squeezing Ajaria away from him. Cyprus and the Greek islands are next. And the new Turkish sultan has already spoken about the Russian Crimea.
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 February 2021 09: 08
        -3
        Quote: dsk
        Georgian Adjara, for example, is already de facto Turkish. And while official Tbilisi is shouting about Russian aggression, Erdogan is squeezing Ajaria away from him. Cyprus and the Greek islands are next. And the new Turkish sultan has already spoken about the Russian Crimea.

        Passion-mardasti. If there is a significant Turkish presence in Batumi Business this does not mean that "Georgian Adjara, for example, is already de facto Turkish."
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 24
          0
          Quote: Professor
          If a substantial presence of Turkish business in Batumi does not mean that "Georgian Adjara, for example, is already de facto Turkish."

          The main thing is to get in or enter, and then it's a matter of time to make Turkey out of Adjara. Can you remind you of Israel, he also started small, and here I do not condemn the Israelis. So the same scenario is possible in Adjara, all the more so when Adjara in the second half of the 16th century became part of the Ottoman Empire, the people converted to Islam. In the middle of the 20th century, Muslims in Adjara were 70%, the rest were Christians. At the beginning of the 21st century, everything changed dramatically: 75% of Christians and 25% of Sunni Muslims.
          1. Professor
            Professor 13 February 2021 13: 35
            -4
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Professor
            If a substantial presence of Turkish business in Batumi does not mean that "Georgian Adjara, for example, is already de facto Turkish."

            The main thing is to get in or enter, and then it's a matter of time to make Turkey out of Adjara. Can you remind you of Israel, he also started small, and here I do not condemn the Israelis. So the same scenario is possible in Adjara, all the more so when Adjara in the second half of the 16th century became part of the Ottoman Empire, the people converted to Islam. In the middle of the 20th century, Muslims in Adjara were 70%, the rest were Christians. At the beginning of the 21st century, everything changed dramatically: 75% of Christians and 25% of Sunni Muslims.

            Turkish military bases in Georgia? Georgia's sovereignty is violated by Turkey. I have other information.
            Israel has never attacked anyone, and Israel has grown in territory like the USSR with East Prussia.
            It is difficult to predict what will happen next in Adjara. So far, its economic development is beneficial to everyone, both Turkey and Georgia.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 February 2021 14: 14
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Israel has never attacked anyone, and Israel has grown in territory like the USSR with East Prussia.

              I wrote to you that I do not blame Israel for this. But the territory has grown.
            2. Strannik96
              Strannik96 13 February 2021 15: 35
              -1
              East Prussia, or rather the Kaliningrad region was once part of Russia, even Kant lived in Russia in this way. Thus, rightly so, as a result of the Great Patriotic War, Kaliningrad returned to Russia. Just like Israel gained back the lost territories
              1. Professor
                Professor 13 February 2021 19: 30
                -1
                Quote: Strannik96
                East Prussia, or rather the Kaliningrad region was once part of Russia, even Kant lived in Russia in this way. Thus, rightly so, as a result of the Great Patriotic War, Kaliningrad returned to Russia. Just like Israel gained back the lost territories

                East Prussia was never part of the USSR, and the USSR, as you know, canceled ALL tsarist laws and agreements and did not have ANY rights to East Prussia as well as to Alaska.
                1. Strannik96
                  Strannik96 13 February 2021 22: 58
                  0
                  As you know, the USSR canceled not ALL tsarist laws: As one of the examples confirming that the USSR, assuming the property rights of the Russian Empire, did not renounce its obligations, Tomsinov cites the General Agreement between the USSR and Great Britain signed on August 18, 1924. It named 17 treaties concluded with the United Kingdom of the Russian Empire, which were recognized by both parties as having no legal force (Art. 2), and Art. Figures 3 and 4 indicated bilateral and multilateral treaties concluded by the Russian Empire and Great Britain, which were considered to be in effect. The treaty with Great Britain, the legal scholar emphasized, was adopted as a model in the negotiations between the USSR and France on the debts of the Russian Empire, as evidenced by Minutes No. 47 of the Politburo meeting, which took place on February 5, 1925 (USSR Foreign Policy Documents. Volume 7. M ., 1963. P. 611-612).
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 13 February 2021 20: 00
          0
          If my nephew is the captain of the IDF. This does not mean that I will miss. But NATO is straining at the border. Well, at least grab a bit of the border. So you want to destroy. No Damn Sanctions
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 13 February 2021 06: 07
    +1
    to the modernization of the armed forces of Georgia, carried out through the supply of equipment and combat systems of Western origin.

    As the Ministry of Defense of the country reported on February 11, the means of destruction were supplied "with the support of the main strategic partner - the United States." The deliveries included 12.7 mm M2 machine guns, new MK19 automatic grenade launchers and M249 light machine guns.

    Rephrase
    "And you" friends "do not sit down, everything is not suitable for real military men"
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 34
      +2
      Quote: Lipchanin
      "And you" friends "do not sit down, everything is not suitable for real military men"

      Well, yes, du ... that is, they have enough stupid people, as elsewhere, but who now takes the M-16 and goes to war, when the family hotel brings some income at home, wine and chacha go well too, fruits and vegetables , yes to indulge in a season is not a sin. And for good guests, for good money, you can sing and dance lezginka.
      Not the current Georgian who, in 1941-1945, broke the back of a guy from Braunau. And now Kontaria and Lesilidze are gone.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 47
        -2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Not the current Georgian who, in 1941-1945, broke the back of a guy from Braunau. And now Kontaria and Lesilidze are gone.

        There are definitely no such
  • Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 13 February 2021 06: 16
    +3
    Georgian revanchism will lead to the dismantling of Georgian statehood, the first time we forgave them in 2008, there will be no second chance.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 13 February 2021 06: 47
      +2
      I do not think that they will attack South Ossetia again, the experience is too sick .. and so .. well, trucks are needed in the army, like machine guns in any case, they don't want to buy from us / don't allow, where to get it? Chinese - not on the Caucasian ponty to ride the Chinese, there are Western ones, if also on the cheap, it's generally wonderful ..
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 February 2021 08: 19
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        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        not on pont Caucasian to ride a Chinese

        Where should they go? laughing
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 39
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          Quote: Lipchanin
          Where should they go?

          "Daragoy! I'm taking mandaryns to Moscow, they are taken to Pyter, walnuts to Vladivostok."
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 February 2021 12: 50
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            "Daragoy! I'm taking mandaryns to Moscow, they are taken to Pyter, walnuts to Vladivostok."

            No. Will not reach
            This foreignness is not adapted to our roads laughing
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 13 February 2021 13: 02
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Will not reach
              This foreignness is not adapted to our roads

              That's how they get there.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 13 February 2021 13: 07
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                Quote: tihonmarine
                That's how they get there.

                Nope, they won't reach
                Bald rubber
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Chinese - not on the Caucasian ponty to ride the Chinese, there are Western ones, if also on the cheap, it's generally wonderful ..

        No, the Europeans even break prices for their warriors, but for the Georgians, if only used.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 13 February 2021 12: 39
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          I mean that in the article "with the support of the main strategic partner - the United States." Although it may have been moral support from the series "gut, gut Waldemar" laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 13 February 2021 12: 50
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            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            I mean that in the article "with the support of the main strategic partner - the United States."

            The staff are greedy, and if they give anything, it is only for their own interest.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 13 February 2021 07: 02
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      Quote: Fedor Sokolov
      Georgian revanchism will lead to the dismantling of Georgian statehood, the first time we forgave them in 2008, there will be no second chance.

      Yes, they didn’t forgive, but simply didn’t know what to do next, so they stopped, but Tbilisi had to be cleaned up and the pro-Russian ones were put in a chair.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 February 2021 07: 04
    +6
    I think that the second time will be smart enough not to climb into Abkhazia and South Ossetia, otherwise the Russian flag will definitely hang over Tbilisi!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 February 2021 08: 20
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      I think that the second time will be smart enough not to go into Abkhazia and South Ossetia,

      And they gave their "mind" to the Fashington Regional Committee
  • notingem
    notingem 13 February 2021 10: 18
    +1
    Future trophies have arrived, but not bad
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 13 February 2021 10: 41
    +3
    I especially liked - Toyota - Landcruiser and Ford - Ranger, generals will go hunting?))))
  • Diverter
    Diverter 13 February 2021 15: 41
    +2
    in Georgia, by the way, there are also autonomous republics, as well as Georgia itself is a large nation state. I think that this should be used. Each republic is then annexed to the Russian Federation as an ordinary region.
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 13 February 2021 20: 25
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    It was already equipped once before 2008, and then plaintively asked: "Give back at least the Hummers, this is the property of the US Government." And 3 days after the outbreak of hostilities, Russian troops were an hour's walk from Tbilisi, and the Georgian army, equipped, trained and well-fed by the United States, disappeared somewhere, while timid Georgians scattered weapons and uniforms of NATO models on the run. At the same time, the Georgian Navy and Air Force ceased to exist as a kind of troops. Then the sting of the snake was pulled out, it is now only able to hiss with impotent anger. After 2008, civilians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia do not die from Georgian shells and mines - and this is the main result of 8.08.2008. The analysis of that war dramatically accelerated the rearmament and modernization of the RF Armed Forces, now the army in Russia is qualitatively different, both in terms of armaments and personnel training. In addition to weapons, such a factor as the morale of the troops, roughly speaking the quality of human material, plays a significant role in war, and with this there is tension in Georgia. If the US has extra money, then let them arm it, I think that Georgia will be smart enough not to step on the same rake and not get involved in military adventures a second time, and if not, then the result for them will be even more deadly than in 2008 year.
  • orionvitt
    orionvitt 13 February 2021 20: 54
    +3
    The technique is clear. Were they not given new Georgians? It is not equipment and weapons that are fighting, but soldiers. As the experience of the last war has shown, there is little fighting spirit there. I doubt it has grown lately. To fight is not to sit on Soros grants, to arrange Maidans from behind the mountains, to water Russia with mud.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 February 2021 11: 39
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    It can be seen that the winches were installed as an additional option .. Moreover, only the front reach and the electric one .. Well, let's see how long they last ..
  • bzbo
    bzbo 14 February 2021 12: 47
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    Great Georgia, Armenia, Ukraine, and so on could only be part of the Great USSR. And if there is no USSR, then these republics are food for neighboring countries.
  • businessv
    businessv 14 February 2021 15: 39
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    New weapons and trucks: the Georgian army has begun another modernization
    Judging by the number of trucks in the photo, Georgians, before the start of the next hostilities. decided to evacuate the entire population of the country just in case.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 14 February 2021 20: 03
    -2
    I wonder how automobile technology will help return Abkhazia and South Ossetia back, and keep Adjara as part of Georgia?
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  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 16 February 2021 12: 00
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    I propose to write a collective appeal to the site administration. Ardent RUSOFOB The professor shouldn't be here at all.
  • Alexander Kalashnikov
    Alexander Kalashnikov 17 February 2021 20: 16
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    The operetta army of the operetta "state". East Georgia exercises sucking and holding the back.