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Who there wanted "back to the USSR"?

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Indeed, who there dreamed of how nice it would be to return to the times of the Soviet Union? We still have a lot of them, and there are many for good reason. Even the same Zen almighty is littered with canals, on which they sigh tearfully about the fact that vodka was tastier and sausage was more nutritious.


You can agree with many things, but alas. On December 26 this year, everyone who wishes can celebrate the thirtieth anniversary of the end of the Soviet Union solemnly or not so much.

Thirty years.

And, naturally, there will be no refunds anywhere. This is like death to modern power, because the built oligarchic totalitarian state is the Russian Federation and the Soviet Union, which, although it was also totalitarian, but at least with pronounced signs of a social state.

And now, thirty years later, we may well observe the Soviet legacy in the Russian version.


Unfortunately, everything is very similar to Soviet reality, when propaganda about love rushed from every iron, loudspeaker and radio receiver. Well, yes, about love for the Motherland, the party and everything else.

Well-done, but very intrusive propaganda. However, it was thanks to her that we grew up into very intelligent people who know how to distinguish flies from cutlets.

What is happening today is just some kind of theater of the absurd. Demonstrating loyal feelings simply by any means. Even the dirtiest.

Barnaul. They shoot a video as part of a flash mob. There is no information about how the factory workers were aware of where they were filming, but the director of the factory posted the clip. But at the other end of Russia, in Volgograd and Belgorod, they were not at all.

Who there wanted "back to the USSR"?


In Volgograd, people were gathered to shoot the video on the pretext that a video for the song of the Lyube group would be shot. In Belgorod, they also gathered for the shooting of the "clip", moreover, local deputies rushed to publish the "clip", but for some reason then all together removed it.

Strange, but for some reason the people of Belgorod did not like the fact that they were invited to shoot the video by February 23, but it turned out how much they love Putin.

And it turns out that such "clips" were filmed all over Russia by deception.

Dear, this is no longer the USSR. This is some kind of crazy carnival, mixed with lies. Yes, in Belgorod, the vice-rector of the BSIIK Natalya Baranichenko quit after organizing all this. I hope she will find a place, in fact, not to disappear such a valuable frame?

Unlike many others, Baranichenko at least apologized to the students for her deception. She admitted that the video was custom-made, and that she simply did not have time to explain the final intention of the video.

A very similar shame happened in Volgograd, only the scale was more abrupt. On Mamayev Kurgan, state employees and schoolchildren were gathered under the guise of shooting a video for the Lyube group. Only after it was found out that Lyube had not filmed any clips, but all got into a video about how people in Volgograd love Putin.


Screenshot: Andrey Gimbatov / Instagram


In general, such videos were filmed throughout the country. Evil tongues claim that everything was prepared according to some training manuals that were sent out by the EP, but no one presented the manuals.


Photo: v1.ru readers

But the most interesting thing began later, when the wave of adoration to Putin subsided somewhat, mainly under the pressure of deceived extras.

Leonid Volkov from Navalny's group called everyone to a new rally in support of his boss. And for some reason, the entire apparatus of state propaganda, to put it mildly, got up on ears. All to fight Navalny! It smelled like 1918 ...

Channel One aired a relatively calm story “The non-systemic opposition, after pumping from NATO, again called people into the street to break the law”.

You know, going out with a flashlight into the yard is a violation of the law? I wonder what and in what place? And according to the idea of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbthe "heart" of flashlights - for this in general the execution on the spot? It's scary to even imagine what will follow about photographing it ...

However, what law were the followers of the Dark Lord going to break?

Vladimir Soloviev went further and made the regular first-channel members one left on his channel. His team is of some completely suspicious types, who easily began to compare plans for the action with flashlights with German saboteurs during the Great Patriotic War.

In general, of course, very high, but our gentlemen, the deputies liked it! Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy issued the following:

“All these calls to shine flashlights in the dark - in fact, you know, this is not a cute action about love, not just an attempt to mobilize young people. This is Mr. Sharpe's color technology. And in general, this is a tracing paper from the actions of defector-collaborators during the blockade of Leningrad, when they illuminated the targets of the German aviation».

How lovely, isn't it?

But if you rewind historical ribbon a little back in the covid summer of 2020, how about a promotion for May 9? With flashlights! Yes, yes, yes, # Victory flashlight - how is it?



A flash mob for Putin on Mamayev Kurgan - who and how?


Screenshot: Andrey Gimbatov / Instagram.com

According to Mr. Tolstoy, it turns out that if in the house and on the monument with lanterns for Putin is the choice of the people (although they were chosen for the people and the people were deceived) and this should be welcomed, and if with a flashlight in the courtyard behind Navalny, this is collaboration and a crime.

However, if this is not a double standard, then what is it?

And how can one against one's will not remember "dear Leonid Ilyich", who was hung with awards and to whom the whole country wrote letters? Workers, milkmaids and students thanked for their speeches on television. Whole country.

How sincere was that? Many people remember. And I remember. Well, honestly - it was not very sincere. But everyone understood the importance of the moment.

But never with a single word did I hook Brezhnev in my materials. Always, you know, respected. No, not that old man, hung with awards, but a brave and reckless political officer who more than twenty times went with landings to Malaya Zemlya.



And many remembered and respected. There was a reason. And we also passed on malicious anecdotes from mouth to mouth, when everything began to decline. And there was also why.

And now, when everything is developing so similarly, your feelings are not the best. All in all, they replaced “dear Leonid Ilyich” with “dear Vladimir Vladimirovich”. Nobody was going to change the manuals. And even more so - to invent new ones. It's difficult, I guess.

Soviet propaganda madness is back. Likewise, implicated in deception and counterfeiting. Well, didn't we in the USSR know that all this kneeling was not worth 10 kopecks in Soviet money? Don't we know that now?

And His Majesty Deception comes into play.

For what?

For the sake of showing "dear Vladimir Vladimirovich" how adored by all segments of the population?

You know, there is one word that characterizes everything that happens in the best possible way. This word is "shame."

It is shameful to grovel in front of a man like that, whether he be president three times. Okay, four times. And all the same - shameful. To lure people into fake flash mobs by deceit in order to show “dear Vladimir Vladimirovich” how the whole country adores him is, of course, not very much. This is, sorry, the bottom. It is clear that we can break through and not so, but all the same - for the power it is insulting.


But if someone is against it, it must be banned urgently. By motivating.

But even with motivation in modern Russia it sucks. What did Volkov do? Have you invented something new? No, I just copied the unsuccessful United Russia scripts, nothing more. And now state propagandists are now banning what they called for before. Your scripts.

It is sad to see all this. Complete powerlessness of power in everything. And especially in the field of propaganda and state ideology. What we are missing today.

Who will all this play? Will fake flash mobs and "clips" add confidence to Putin so much that he will do something else epoch-making? And then the people will really understand ...

And what will he understand? Except that he was once again deceived for the sake of some vague plans. Someone just decided that "dear Vladimir Vladimirovich" would be very pleased to see how the people adore him.

Both "tik-tok" and YouTube are filled with the opinion of young people. And there is nothing to add here.

Probably difficult to think of something worse. Better - very simple. Worse - hardly. At one time we believed that our country is the best in the world. Ask anyone under the age of 25 - and you are unlikely to hear an answer that would please the organizers of "patriotic" flash mobs. But these people will be the basis of the electorate literally in 10 years. And so with them today ... Strongly showing that window dressing, lies and fake creations are the basis of everything.

What will grow on such a thoroughly fertilized soil?

These are the weeds that the OMON and Rosgvardia will not have to pound in the squares and streets, shoving them into buses, but to catch them in the yards.

No, this is also not the best option. It is strange when with one hand the authorities begin to persecute dissidents (well, navalno-minded), and with the other create all the conditions so that the trickle of those disillusioned with the Russian state does not stop flowing into the swamp of Navalny and company.

But it will flow. Because Navalny's pseudo-truth is no worse than the outright lies of those who want to show Putin the nation's love.

And on "Putin's live broadcasts" no longer smells of democracy ... They ask those questions to which he is ready to answer. Those "trusted comrades" are like a Magadan journalist.

We remember how one superpower perished, drowned in stagnation, window dressing and lies. Now all the same is observed in a state that has grown on the ruins of that power.

Is it really the case when "repetition is the mother of torment"?
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  1. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 14 February 2021 05: 40
    +53
    Come on, everyone is the same everywhere. Already for the Poisoner they marry in good faith and honor and, of course, no one pays for it from the outside ...
    And how at "peaceful rallies" disagreeing people are "not" beaten. Even from the pillars "not" removed! What is not 37, about which they themselves are yelling) Directly cognitive dissonance ...
    But, of course, this is "different"
    1. Deck
      Deck 14 February 2021 05: 49
      -68%
      Dear 05:40 and you are already at work! This is labor enthusiasm.
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 14 February 2021 05: 56
        +75
        An attempt at "smart trolling"?) An attempt is good, but you forgot to take into account the time zones)) ... what actually unites you, "thinking people" ... You don't think so much, unfortunately
        1. Deck
          Deck 14 February 2021 06: 00
          -77%
          Sorry, I forgot that the salary can be received remotely while sitting in a sun lounger in Pattaya
          1. aars
            aars 14 February 2021 07: 39
            +3
            Or at the gold mine in the Far East.
            Which is much more likely.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 09: 25
              +28
              Quote: aars
              Or at the gold mine in the Far East.
              Which is much more likely.

              There is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road!
              1. andrewkor
                andrewkor 14 February 2021 12: 00
                +21
                In the opinion of Muscovites outside the Moscow Ring Road, the tundra, however!
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 14 February 2021 14: 29
              -3
              Quote: aars
              Or at the gold mine in the Far East. Which is much more likely.
              Brilliant! There is a whole brigade of them. Here they are, just left the network
              Loafers.
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 14 February 2021 09: 08
            +22
            Continue to "be clever and analyze"!))) I advise you to claim the highest post when you win "true democracy". For such a genius of analytics deserves more!)
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 14 February 2021 17: 15
              +37
              This technique is called "chattering the topic" - in order to disrupt the discussion of the topic in essence, they begin to pour in a bunch of off-topic comments, and normal people can only add their comments to the end of a long tape, where not everyone looks.
              Do not get fooled - these are either stupid talkers or talkers on the salary.

              And none of them asked the question that comes up when reading the article:
              Clumsy state propaganda - is that all the author knows about the USSR?

              1. Victorio
                Victorio 15 February 2021 12: 38
                +4
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Clumsy state propaganda - is that all the author knows about the USSR?

                ===
                right. I also did not quite understand what this article title is for. attract an audience?
          3. VORON538
            VORON538 14 February 2021 09: 21
            +18
            Well, you passed by at 5.49 ... "an honest citizen with a bright face" :))) And well, quite by accident :)))
            1. Machito
              Machito 14 February 2021 12: 51
              +34
              I am especially touched by the April subbotniks for cleaning the territories of state-owned enterprises with the voluntary-compulsory attendance of employees to work on their day off and checking by higher organizations with photo-video recording of people happily working for free. Responsibility for the massive free work of all teams rests with the leaders. In fact, people are forced to work for free for two days under the capitalist system. This is very similar to slavery. Although why is it similar? This slavery is. And the ministries receive joyful reports on the nationwide emotional impulse and general approval. The ministers themselves, as highly qualified managers, do not work for free.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 16 February 2021 10: 05
                -1
                Quote: Bearded
                I am especially touched by the April subbotniks for cleaning the territories of state-owned enterprises with the voluntary-compulsory attendance of employees to work on their day off and checking by higher organizations with photo-video recording of people happily working for free. Responsibility for the massive free work of all teams rests with the leaders. In fact, people are forced to work for free for two days under the capitalist system. This is very similar to slavery. Although why is it similar? This slavery is. And the ministries receive joyful reports on the nationwide emotional impulse and general approval. The ministers themselves, as highly qualified managers, do not work for free.
                For example, during working hours, we have a Saturday clean-up, just to clean the territory
                1. Dwellernet
                  Dwellernet 16 February 2021 14: 56
                  +1
                  They also announce subbotniks for cleaning the adjoining territories, the cleaning of which we pay to the management companies in full. Those. we pay and clean ourselves. And there are people who approve of all this.
            2. sniperino
              sniperino 14 February 2021 14: 38
              -3
              Quote: VORON538
              And well, quite by accident
              Accidentally did not have time at 5.39 first, fell asleep in the toilet for 10 minutes, it's a shame.
          4. clerk
            clerk 16 February 2021 10: 02
            +2
            I would never have thought that a slight ridicule regarding the payment of local anti-Putinists would cause such a "seething shit in a pack of comrades." I just don't want to spoil the picture. Congratulations. hi
        2. certero
          certero 14 February 2021 16: 57
          +1
          Time zones have nothing to do with it. As a moderator from the editorial board will check the article then it appears on the site. What time it is published this is already the affairs of the editorial office
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 14 February 2021 06: 39
        +8
        Quote: Deck
        Dear 05:40 and you are already at work! This is labor enthusiasm.


        05: 49 ...
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 14 February 2021 07: 52
        +27
        Quote: Deck
        05:40 and you're already at work!
        05:40 Moscow time is 12:40 in Vladivostok, for example. It's high lunch. And then, today is Sunday. laughing
        1. aglet
          aglet 15 February 2021 10: 55
          0
          "05:40 Moscow time - this is 12:40 in Vladivostok, for example. Midnight lunch."
          and in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, in general - midnight
      4. mark1
        mark1 14 February 2021 08: 03
        +11
        Quote: Deck
        This is labor enthusiasm.

        This is what professional envy says in you, because you are a little late, they can look like it ...
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      5. for
        for 14 February 2021 10: 09
        +8
        Quote: Deck
        Dear 05:40 and you are already at work! This is labor enthusiasm.

        And you fell for 9 minutes.
      6. Elturisto
        Elturisto 14 February 2021 12: 13
        -3
        Why are you too late to catch up :)
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 14
          0
          Why are you too late to catch up :)
          hmm, but I didn't go at all - I was parasitic ... laughing
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      8. antivirus
        antivirus 14 February 2021 19: 38
        -3
        I agree - early. but I sometimes climb, itches, addiction at 4 or 6 am instead of charging. This is bad. but what to do when RSkomorokhov leads the battle
      9. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 15 February 2021 15: 48
        0
        Deck, and you got to work at 5-49. By the way, you shouldn't judge by yourself about all other people.
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    3. dSK
      dSK 14 February 2021 06: 01
      +1
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Straight

      And who is "responsible" for propaganda in the presidential administration,
      Kirienko? ...
      1. Deck
        Deck 14 February 2021 08: 45
        -7
        How he knows, the fry is small, the main one is the head of a department of any agency like FAN. There is a production task to scribble a certain number of comments on a given topic. There are even such "generals". They are noticeable very well.
    4. evgen1221
      evgen1221 14 February 2021 06: 08
      +37
      Yes, not about the basement, this article was about something that was called stagnation.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 14 February 2021 08: 43
        +47
        Quote: evgen1221
        Yes, not about the basement, this article was about something that was called stagnation.

        Good morning hi
        Well, what is the stagnation now? Stagnation is when everything is in one place. Fixed, so to speak ...
        And we still have that movement ... Everything is moving. Agriculture has been hitting crop records for many years, and shops at high food prices. Industry is also breaking records in self-destruction. The legal system is at the peak of progress! Hundreds of new laws and thousands of amendments to them (that even law students do not have time to memorize some, as others are already published) and ... even a new constitution! What kind of movement is there in business? And in politics? How many officials have changed in just the last couple of years? So there is no stagnation. The country moves, accelerates and ... rolls downhill somewhere ... wassat
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 02
          +38
          The country moves, accelerates and ... rolls downhill somewhere

          We got a wild mixture of the worst aspects of socialism, capitalism and feudalism .. Some kind of sur. Vigorous - that they will dilute this trash with slavery - and there will be a general welfare .. Long live the great Putin - such epic crap is really beyond the power of an ordinary person.
          1. aars
            aars 14 February 2021 09: 56
            +19
            Monkeying, monkeying and monkeying ...
            As in tsarist Russia.
            Well, they would have pulled good things, but no - only the nastiest things, like Thatcherism ...
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        3. Siberian54
          Siberian54 15 February 2021 05: 52
          +8
          "stagnation" was invented by women from the Jewish edition of "Ogonyok" during the catastrophe, LIB took the country in a barrack, on a bicycle, left in an apartment with a car .. Excellent stagnation!
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 15 February 2021 08: 02
        +5
        Quote: evgen1221
        Yes, not about the basement, this article was about something that was called stagnation.

        The question about the time of stagnation is very controversial. To understand which time is more related to stagnation, it is necessary to compare the economic trends of the times. You say "the wrong time ...". Since when has the country been addicted to oil and gas revenues? Since when did the country become closely dependent on food imports? When did the queues of empty counters appear, and most importantly, what and when were organizational measures taken to revive the country's economy? I can confidently say that when talking about respect for Leonid Ilyich, the author does not touch upon his economic achievements. And it can be seen that he has an idea that the economy of the 70-80s of the USSR gradually came into crisis with a complete absence of the idea of ​​an exit, but with absolute ideological pressure "for the advantages of socialism with really empty counters." The author's thesis about smart ones also smiled. Yes, we knew geography, we could describe the periodic table, we knew something about botany. But, as soon as the "bony hand of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KGB" in control of the economy weakened, we all rushed in chorus to MMM and other thieves' pyramids to fill their dump trucks with our rubles, not realizing that we, literate "in general and everywhere, simply" have " specific primitive market / bazaar. In this general issue of assessing the past in relation to the present, I would be more inclined to the president's opinion - the collapse of the USSR is undoubtedly a crime of the elites and a tragedy for the population, hopes for the construction of the USSR 2.0 is a pointless utopia.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 16 February 2021 10: 37
          +1
          Absolute nonsense. Everything worked like a clock, there was no dependence on the export of energy resources, another source of income for the budget, nothing more. The criteria for your approach are huckster's - the product is created for the sake of profit, and this profit settles in the bag of a handful. The planned economy is built on the principle of expediency, necessity for the life of the country and individual citizens. It is another matter that at some stage, having abandoned the use of force to resolve the issue in gayrope, the export of socialism, the leadership did not stop building up strike weapons, mainly armored vehicles. That was unnecessary and ate up huge sums of a large, but still not dimensionless, public pie. Through the excessive "feeding" of the Union republics and the GCD that did not give results, with the socialist, ecobe, the chosen path of development. LIB and the company did their job well, but they stayed too long in the changed conditions and did not quite correctly set priorities. Emphasis on consumer goods, instead of irrelevant weapons, building up housing, etc.
          In one thing, you are right, the Office has scored on its main function of protecting the dictatorship of the proletariat, has stopped stifling hucksters and manifestations of huckster psychology. Something in the settings of a subtle public-state instrument went wrong. A change of leadership could have helped, but unfortunately this did not happen. The result, for a working man, is deplorable. The comrades have already described everything in the country.
          And the revival of the USSR is quite real, one good shake-up, such as the war with the West and the Byzantine power of the fighters will collapse. But such a scenario is highly undesirable for the people, it is already difficult for them.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 16 February 2021 18: 26
            0
            Quote: Essex62
            Absolute nonsense. Everything worked like a clock, there was no dependence on the export of energy resources, another source of income for the budget, nothing more. The criteria for your approach are barnyard - the product is created for the sake of profit

            You have no idea either about the state of the economy of the USSR, or about the basic laws of economics that operate independently of the socio-economic formation in the community in question. Against this background, trying to explain something to you intelligibly is a long and unsuccessful occupation. Do you think the revival of the USSR is quite real? For God's sake, count. Nothing will change from this anyway. You so contemptuously shot about the bargaining criteria (where did you dig them up?), The bargaining psychology. But suddenly those whom you consider to be "hucksters" will disappear, and your life span will be determined by the volume of the refrigerator filled with "hucksters". Do you want to war, to collapse the power? Have you tried to talk to a psychiatrist? It will be useful .... including for others. No need to answer ... I'm sorry, I'm not interested in you.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 16 February 2021 19: 08
              0
              And you and others like me will be very interesting when the time comes. The term of my life is certainly not a huckster, let alone a refrigerator. It is you brought up in the bourgeois time, you do not understand anything in the economy of socialism
          2. Piligrim
            Piligrim 17 February 2021 23: 24
            0
            And the revival of the USSR is quite real, one good shake-up, such as a war with the West and the Byzantine power of the fighters will collapse.


            "You cannot enter the same river twice." Eastern wisdom
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 18 February 2021 11: 09
              +1
              “For every wise man, there’s enough simplicity.” And it flies into one funnel, with super-dense shelling, and water always flows with the same formula, only another fish swims, logs are twigs. So whoever said that it would be the same USSR, corrected, thought out. When the counter-coup staged a coup, it also did not restore Ingushetia and the bourgeois republic of Kerensky and co. Restored. Who prevents us from competently approach the issue?
    5. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 14 February 2021 06: 11
      -15%
      And according to the idea of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbthe "heart" of flashlights - for this in general the execution on the spot?

      Let them shine. Well, they will remember the priest who married the legionnaires to each other, they will shine a flashlight in the sky, remembering in vain ̶A̶n̶a̶l̶̶n̶o̶g̶o̶ Navalny - what of this? lol
      It's just a pity. that most of the luminaries have never even heard of the Orthodox Holy Martyrs Valentin hi
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 February 2021 07: 27
        +35
        lies in the country have been elevated to the rank of "patriotism" ... and in fact they are being carried out by the narrow-minded.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 14 February 2021 09: 02
          +30
          I solemnly swear that for five years now I have purposefully stopped watching the programs that are hosted by: Kiselev, Soloviev, Skabeeva, Popov, Norkin, Sheinin and some others. From Tolstoy, in general, the urge in the stomach is not good.
          This audience has changed their jump shoes a dozen times already.
          BUT! All the same, I hear their opuses - when they once again break through the bottom of lies and propaganda!
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 14 February 2021 09: 16
            +21
            If the adult population is disgusted with these faces on TV, then the younger generation does not know them at all, my children, for example, only watch Comedy Club and other bullshit. It's better to let it be watched than Nightingale and Kisel.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 55
              +21
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              then the younger generation does not know them at all,

              Therefore, starting next year, schools will have political instructors explaining the policy and course of the only party, United Russia.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 15 February 2021 11: 52
                0
                Quote: Silvestr
                Therefore, starting next year, schools will have political instructors explaining the policy and course of the only party, United Russia.

                Did they tell you this at a meeting in the political council of the party? (just kidding, I know you hate them laughing ) But seriously, in schools you just need to add hours on the history of the USSR / Russia of the 20th and 21st centuries and introduce this subject into the Unified State Exam in order to create motivation for children to study. Nothing educates (politically) as simple knowledge of historical events and their causes. Of course, I would like the teachers to be able to captivate children with their subject. But this, of course, is an unattainable ideal in the public education system. And you don't need to listen to Solovyov. You can listen to those who are on his programs. In any case, you must remember to turn on your head before hearing. Does Navalny lie less in his opuses? Or Yavlinsky? Yes, even the same Zyuganov with Grudinin. Those are still "fantasy". You can't take anyone's word for it, only after three or four checks ... Even to you, patients do not always tell the truth, and even politicians even more so ...
            2. MstislavHrabr
              MstislavHrabr 14 February 2021 22: 31
              +4
              Read between the lines you need to teach children, analyze, draw conclusions! And you: let them watch Comedy Club ... Let your daughter learn that a blow job should be done "with great pleasure", and your son gets used to the fact that gays are "not so wrong guys."
              1. Roman070280
                Roman070280 15 February 2021 10: 49
                +2
                blow job should be done "with great pleasure"

                I fully support .. Otherwise, why torture yourself and that guy ..))

                gets used to the fact that gays are "not so wrong guys."

                I have a gay neighbor in my last apartment.
                Well, to hell with him .. otherwise quite a good guy ..
                While someone has his wife in the ass - he does the same with a man ..
                The main thing is that they don't forget to wash their hands in the morning ..))
              2. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 15 February 2021 20: 15
                0
                Quote: MstislavHrabr
                Let your daughter learn that a blow job should be done "with great pleasure"

                Better to let him learn to at least correctly call this action - blowjob. Already there will be a sense! hi
          2. Elturisto
            Elturisto 14 February 2021 12: 15
            0
            Nothing, watching the programs will soon become mandatory, and if you don’t watch, we’ll turn off the gas ... He doesn’t want to watch, but people seem to struggle ...
          3. sniperino
            sniperino 14 February 2021 15: 00
            -4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            about five years purposefully stopped watching the programs that are being conducted by: Kiselev, Soloviev, Skabeeva, Popov, Norkin, Sheinin and some more
            Correctly! Only "Rain": Sobchak, Kaznin, Arno and some more, otherwise a confusion in my head may happen. Take care of yourself!
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 15 February 2021 00: 16
              +2
              That is, you have nothing to offer the guards at all? Leave all this rubbish to yourself.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 15 February 2021 00: 27
                -3
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                have nothing to offer you?
                Be clear about who has to offer whom. Should I offer the guards, or should I, the guardian, offer the destroyers? If the second, then give up; write a confession, hand over all the destroyers, the sources of financing of the organized crime group, your curator, everything you know. The court will probably take this into account. If the first, then - work, brothers!
      2. aars
        aars 14 February 2021 07: 40
        +10
        The overwhelming majority have not heard of any martyrs at all and do not want to hear.
        And the biography of these martyrs usually causes vomiting.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 14 February 2021 15: 10
          -3
          Quote: aars
          And the biography of these martyrs usually causes vomiting.
          You should go to the exorcist with such a complaint, he would help. We could not only read hagiographic literature daily, but also look at the Orthodox cross without convulsions.
        2. bober1982
          bober1982 14 February 2021 16: 01
          -1
          Quote: aars
          And the biography of these martyrs usually causes vomiting.

          ........ and demons believe and tremble.
          That is, demons tremble, waiting for the Judgment
      3. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 February 2021 11: 02
        -3
        Yes, yes, Valentine's day is on the nose, as it were, but some officials are actively confusing liquid from a heap with a square in attempts to stupidly curry favor and perebzdet. good
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 19
        -1
        about the Orthodox Holy Martyrs Valentin
        and also about the professional holiday on March 8, working women with low social ... in Europe! True to Ulyanov, then Clara and Rosa were whispering in his ear, like a VIP client ... bully
      5. Siberian54
        Siberian54 15 February 2021 06: 00
        0
        The martyr did not want to wash himself by order of the feudal lord and the saint was tortured ...
    6. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 08: 06
      +7
      The superpower drowned not because of this: stagnation, ostentation and lies, but ordinary betrayal! Why, they are pushing young people by fooling young people with fairy tales about beauty far from Putin! As it was already called to the beautiful far away without Nicholas II, then without the Communist Party ..., that's where to see "repetition, mother of learning", but no! Strong Russia is not needed by anyone, but its resources are needed, so even the manuals are not rewritten, as the Times writes, blocking social. networks in the United States and protests there, it is not the same thing that in Russia, in the United States, democracy, freedom and truth, but in Russia, lies, hypocrisy and totalitarianism laughing
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 19
        +34
        Quote: Finches
        in Russia, in the USA, democracy, freedom and truth, and in Russia lies, hypocrisy and totalitarianism

        Compare the economy. Has the USSR caught up with the USA? Will Russia catch up with the US? Well, at least Portugal? laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 February 2021 08: 29
          -3
          Of course, you need to destroy everything once again and then wow, we'll live ... Well, break it! Break not build. What is Portugal? In Singapore, they say, they live well, so they are not needed by anyone, they live for themselves and live. Somehow one clown from the liberal party said so bluntly, let's split up into the principalities, saying why Moscow should feed the Caucasus or the Vladimir region. Let them live separately and each feed himself, too, I think, when we unravel, as we live in Singapore, each area will be independent and independent ... laughing
          1. AUL
            AUL 14 February 2021 09: 10
            +12
            Quote: Finches
            In Singapore, they say, they live well, so they are not needed by anyone, they live for themselves and live.

            I immediately wanted to be so unnecessary to anyone!
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 February 2021 09: 15
              -21%
              So what's the question then? Move! In Russia, this number has not passed since the invasion of Mamai ... Do you think that something has changed since then? Therefore, every citizen of Russia shares the burden of his Motherland or ... does not share! The choice is yours! hi
              1. AUL
                AUL 14 February 2021 09: 24
                +26
                Quote: Finches
                So what's the question then? Move!

                You know, I was born here, grew up, got married, had children and grandchildren. Just like my grandfathers and great-grandfathers. And they will bury me here in Russia. So I won't go to Singapore.
                But here's a counter offer - maybe it's better to invite the leadership of Singapore to us, to steer a dozen years?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 February 2021 09: 26
                  -20%
                  Singapore is not Russia, and Russia is not Singapore! What is good in Singapore, bad in Russia and vice versa ... I wrote this down to form! Do not be a naive person, if, apparently, most of your life has passed under the sign of changes - then you should develop immunity to them, and you should go there!
                2. sniperino
                  sniperino 14 February 2021 15: 44
                  -8
                  Quote: AUL
                  it's better to invite the leadership of Singapore to us, steer a dozen years
                  Do you want to become a British colony in order to gain independence and become a member of the British Commonwealth? And the Englishwoman will stop shitting?
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 59
                    +34
                    Quote: sniperino
                    Do you want to become a British colony

                    You go to extremes: either a colony or a hegemon, or Putin or not Russia
                    Isn't it possible to be a normal country with an adequate and replaceable power, with which after its work one could ask for the result?
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 57
                  +26
                  Quote: AUL
                  maybe it's better to invite the leadership of Singapore to us, to steer a dozen years?

                  This is the one who imprisoned his closest associates for corruption?
              2. Aag
                Aag 14 February 2021 12: 05
                +16
                Quote: Finches
                So what's the question then? Move! In Russia, this number has not passed since the invasion of Mamai ... Do you think that something has changed since then? Therefore, every citizen of Russia shares the burden of his Motherland or ... does not share! The choice is yours! hi

                "... every citizen of Russia shares the burden of his Motherland or ... does not share!"
                It seems that I even know those who do not share it ... Those who cannot get rid of dual citizenship, accounts, property abroad; who destroys entire branches of the economy if they cannot be merged abroad; takes away pensions from those who built these industries?
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 14 February 2021 15: 50
                  -3
                  Quote: AAG
                  I guess?
                  Guess what.
                2. A1845
                  A1845 14 February 2021 16: 48
                  +3
                  dual citizenship, accounts, property abroad

                  And he teaches his children there, by the way
              3. Revival
                Revival 14 February 2021 16: 03
                +2
                So let everyone share the burden, but it is not that 10% do not share anything with billions in an embrace, but hypocritically call for sharing with the rest
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 14 February 2021 09: 46
            +11
            Quote: Finches
            Of course, we need to destroy everything once again and then wow, we'll live ...
            What exactly to destroy? Ending theft and corruption is your destruction?
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 February 2021 09: 50
              -21%
              You are a wizard? In practice, please tell us how you will do this - bring out a new breed of people, remove the old ones and replace them with new honest and noble ones?
              This is an evolutionary process of development of the state apparatus! Today, things with corruption are many times better than in the 90s, but miracles do not happen - it takes time, you need to grow up each person individually and society as a whole!
              Explain all the same, please, how do you propose to do this at once?
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 14 February 2021 10: 07
                +16
                Quote: Finches
                In practice, please tell us how you will do this - bring out a new breed of people, remove the old ones and replace them with new honest and noble ones?
                This is an evolutionary process of development of the state apparatus!
                Just like Stalin. In a purely evolutionary way: he shot the thieves and recruited new ones. 2-3 iterations - and you're done.
                Quote: Finches
                Today, corruption is already much better than in the 90s
                Do not chant nonsense: in the 90s, an official who took it into his head to extort a bribe was simply taken to the forest in the trunk at night and buried. And upstairs, where the security was serious, the remnants of the great country were ripped off, no bribes were lying around, everything went only to the right people, and not to some suckers with babak.
                Quote: Finches
                it takes time, you need to grow up each person individually and society as a whole!
                Now is 2021, how much more time is needed, given that, starting with Medvedev, the country is clearly degrading, and faster and faster.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 February 2021 10: 16
                  -18%
                  So you are proposing a dictatorship? Or return to the 90s? I am for the dictatorship - I will especially be happy to watch as all the gorlopanov will be sent to the felling ... I do not see degradation, but I see you communicate with officials every day and they all demand a bribe from you? laughing
                  So my eldest daughter fell ill with a crown and we all went into self-isolation - the sick leave automatically opened, a doctor came and brought each family member free kits of preventive medicines ... And she didn't even ask for a bribe for some reason!
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 14 February 2021 10: 22
                    +11
                    Quote: Finches
                    I’m just for - I’ll be especially happy to watch as all the bawlers are sent to the felling ...
                    You can only observe from the side of the camp, from the inside, so to speak: the enemies of the people will be imprisoned first.
                    Quote: Finches
                    I do not see degradation
                    So take a look. Go to Yandex and type "graph of the number of schools in Russia", "graph of the number of hospitals in Russia", "schedule of machine tools production in Russia", "schedule of bearing production in Russia", "schedule of the number of cattle in Russia", etc.
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 14 February 2021 21: 30
                      +3
                      MOSCOW, December 24. / TASS /. Over 270 schools and more than 820 kindergartens were built in Russia in 2020, the press service of the Ministry of Education said on Thursday.

                      "More than 270 schools for 169 thousand places have been built and put into operation, more than 828 kindergartens for 122 thousand places," the press service said.
                      1. bk0010
                        bk0010 15 February 2021 21: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        More than 270 schools built and commissioned
                        Cool, well done. The problem is that nearly 2000 schools have been closed since 28000.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 February 2021 11: 44
                        0
                        Quote: bk0010
                        The problem is that nearly 2000 schools have been closed since 28000.

                        https://pikabu.ru/story/dinamika_kolichestva_bolnits_v_rossii_7382424
                        Here is a detailed breakdown of hospitals, just read to the end, it's long.
                      3. bk0010
                        bk0010 16 February 2021 20: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Here is a detailed breakdown of hospitals, just read to the end, it's long.
                        The analysis is interesting. Conclusions: hospitals are no longer where they are needed, but where it is convenient for officials. But why the number of surgeries has increased is not very clear: either earlier surgeries were performed less than necessary (although there were more hospitals and doctors), or now surgeries are used to treat what used to be treated with conservative methods. It is not very clear whether it has become better or worse.
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 17 February 2021 06: 59
                        0
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Conclusions: hospitals are no longer where they are needed, but where it is convenient for officials. But why the number of operations increased is not very clear: either earlier operations were performed less than necessary (although there were more hospitals and doctors), or

                        Everything is very simple. School and hospital are very serious organizations that need an appropriate material base and the required number of personnel. And it is physically impossible to keep such an organization in every village. Simply because it will take an unimaginable number of doctors and teachers. You can have a school and a hospital there where one person works, each of whom is a Swiss and a reaper and a gamer, but the quality will be appropriate. Who will do the operations there? As a matter of fact, for any serious treatment, people had to be transported to where it was possible before.
                      5. bk0010
                        bk0010 17 February 2021 21: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        School and hospital are very serious organizations that need an appropriate material base and the required number of personnel.
                        But the trick is that this base has already been created in the USSR. Everything is ready, you just need to maintain and operate. No, stupid redneck destroyed the national property.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And it is physically impossible to keep such an organization in every village.
                        Well, after all, they kept them where they were. They can't build new ones - okay, but don't ruin the old ones at least.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        As a matter of fact, for any serious treatment of people before, it was necessary to take it where it was possible.
                        But far more often, frivolous treatment is required (probably 80 percent, but this is my estimate, I cannot confirm): cut out the phlegmon, remove the appendicitis or fix the broken limb. Well, or childbirth is sudden, some kind of droppers for grandmothers. Heart surgery or cancer treatment is fortunately not the most common problem. And now people with acute appendicitis will have to travel 50 km to the regional center. An acquaintance of mine preferred an abdominal operation to remove appendicitis nearby (even the scar did not scare me), laprascopic in Moscow, although it would seem only a couple of hours on the spot. Well, or a topic that is closer to all. When the covid began, they began to recklessly build hospitals in the form of tents, without foundations, and all because in 2012 they also recklessly closed a bunch of infectious diseases hospitals and departments (beds, you see, are not used), where everything was provided for any occasion ... Saved, damn it. And if, instead of covid, now cholera begins, where will all these ventilators have to be put?
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 18 February 2021 07: 23
                        0
                        Quote: bk0010
                        But the trick is that this base has already been created in the USSR.

                        Seriously? Full-fledged hospitals and schools and full staff? That's no need for fairy tales, even in the USSR, with its not the most rational use of resources, they did not do this, schools and hospitals were in a greatly reduced form, despite the fact that the rural population was then more than now.
                        Quote: bk0010
                        But far more often, frivolous treatment is required (probably 80 percent, but this is my estimate, I cannot confirm): cut out the phlegmon, remove the appendicitis or fix the broken limb. Well, or childbirth is sudden, some kind of droppers for grandmothers.
                        And this is also a good reason to centralize hospitals. A person forgets unused information, and most importantly, loses unused skills. Cutting out appendicitis is also an operation that requires the necessary skills, the absence of which can be fatal.
                        Suppose there is a certain doctor in a certain village, who was told about surgery 10 years ago at the institute, but since then he has not had any practice and now such a patient is brought to him. And he no longer really remembers how to hold the scalpel in his hands. Good perspective?
              2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 February 2021 14: 46
                0
                In 1960, there were 120 thousand schools in the USSR, and in 1980 there were 70 thousand of them, and this was not a problem, you guess why?
              3. bk0010
                bk0010 16 February 2021 20: 57
                0
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                In 1960, there were 120 thousand schools in the USSR, and in 1980 there were 70 thousand of them, and this was not a problem, you guess why?
                Actually, they did. When I was studying, we had over 30 people in the class, everyone said that the classes were overcrowded.
              4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 17 February 2021 12: 40
                0
                Ie on your communists engaged in sabotage? Or were there objective reasons for the closure of so many schools?
              5. bk0010
                bk0010 17 February 2021 21: 27
                0
                Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Ie on your communists engaged in sabotage?
                Apparently.
              6. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                Uncle Vanya Susanin 18 February 2021 05: 21
                0
                belay No comments!!!
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 11: 28
    -9
    Quote: bk0010
    In a purely evolutionary way: he shot the thieves and recruited new ones. 2-3 iterations - and you're done

    The Chinese have been shooting for ... for years, but the process does not end.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2021 11: 49
      +21
      Quote: Dart2027
      The Chinese have been shooting for ... for years, but the process does not end.

      However, at the same time, China is developing by leaps and bounds.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 14 February 2021 12: 29
        -8
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        However, China is developing at the same time

        Of course. I mean, it’s impossible to end corruption at all.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2021 12: 48
          +14
          Quote: Dart2027
          I mean, it's impossible to end corruption at all

          Of course. But you can introduce it into a relatively safe framework for society.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 12
          -6
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          But you can introduce it into a relatively safe framework for society.

          And this is done. Last year 12000 cases.
        3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2021 13: 19
          +8
          Quote: Dart2027
          And this is done.

          Nuuu, the prosecutor's office reports
          In 2019, 30 crimes of corruption were registered ... In 991, criminal prosecution under the corruption articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation was carried out against 2019 persons (in 15 - 773, in 2018 - 15).

          In this case,
          In 2019, the courts of the Russian Federation issued 9 convictions (803 in 2018) against 10 people (684) in criminal cases of corruption-related crimes considered with the participation of prosecutors.

          That is, roughly a third of all those against whom cases were initiated are acquitted.
          The damage from acts of corruption in the past year amounted to about 55,1 billion rubles, which is 8,8% of the amount of damage caused by all types of crimes in the Russian Federation. Damage in the amount of about 4,1 billion rubles was voluntarily repaid, property, money, valuables worth almost 1,5 billion rubles were seized, the property of the accused was seized at a cost of 18,2 billion rubles.

          The arrest can then be removed, by the way. So I have no feeling of either the inevitability of punishment or its significance.
        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 30
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          That is, roughly a third of all those against whom cases were initiated are acquitted.

          The question is whether it is deserved or not. We do not know this, but the fact is that thousands of cases are brought to the verdict.
        5. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2021 16: 20
          +9
          Quote: Dart2027
          The question is whether it is deserved or not. We do not know this, but the fact is that thousands of cases are brought to the verdict.

          Small things. 55 billion - damage, and compensation - 5,6 billion, one tenth. I’m silent that the amount of 55 billion does not reflect the amount of bribes and corruption schemes at all.
        6. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 41
          -5
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          and compensation - 5,6 billion, one tenth

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          arrest was imposed on the property of the accused worth 18,2 billion rubles

          More generally, although there is still work to be done.
        7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 14 February 2021 20: 20
          +5
          Quote: Dart2027
          Actually more

          As I said, arrest is not a return.
      2. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 15 February 2021 05: 39
        0
        Damage is a loose concept. The tax (as an example) considers the maximum, but in the course of the investigation, an examination is carried out on financial documents, and as a rule the amount of damage decreases, it happens at times
        PS Economic crimes are not just bribes
      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2021 07: 41
        +1
        Quote: UgoChaves
        PS Economic crimes are not just bribes

        Like I wrote
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        the amount of 55 billion does not reflect the amount of bribes and corruption schemes at all.

        request
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  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 15 February 2021 05: 20
    0
    The number of registered crimes is not equal to the number of initiated cases; for a certain number, refusals to initiate are given. In economics, there are just a lot of failures. The number of UDs is not equal to the number of convictions, all of them have the duration of the investigation (sometimes they investigate cases with more than a hundred volumes for several years) and the consideration in the courts is different. At the stage of verification, many agree to pay hidden (taxes) or on salary cases and, accordingly, the case does not come to initiation.
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2021 07: 42
    +1
    Quote: UgoChaves
    The number of registered crimes is not equal to the number of initiated cases; for a certain number, refusals to initiate are given.

    Considering that I compare the number of prosecuted cases with the number of convicts, this is just invaluable information.
  • aglet
    aglet 15 February 2021 11: 11
    0
    "The arrest can then be removed, by the way. So I have no feeling of either the inevitability of punishment or its significance."
    especially the law on the irresistible force of corruption contributes to this
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 15 February 2021 11: 13
    -1
    Quote: aglet
    especially the law on the irresistible force of corruption contributes to this

    In the Great Port (modern Turkey), it used to be easier - they introduced a tax on bribes laughing
  • aglet
    aglet 15 February 2021 11: 26
    +1
    "they did it easier - they introduced a tax on bribes"
    we will not have this, or they will introduce a completely symbolic tax, about 15% with billions of dollars in income
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 15 February 2021 11: 57
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In the Great Port (modern Turkey)

    Maybe not only in her. I don't know fake or not, but
    From now on, all businesses in Estonia must pay taxes on the bribes they pay. A special column has appeared in the tax reporting, which indicates the amount of remuneration given to officials. However, the Estonian tax authorities have little faith in the fact that in their country there will be businessmen who are willing to put themselves under the article of their own free will.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/457240
  • bk0010
    bk0010 15 February 2021 21: 16
    +2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In the Great Port (modern Turkey), it used to be easier - they introduced a tax on bribes
    And in Persia, a bribe taker was removed from the skin and covered with it the chair of the successor. So that the booty smells.
  • Machito
    Machito 14 February 2021 13: 08
    +8
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    However, China is developing at the same time

    Of course. I mean, it’s impossible to end corruption at all.

    Maybe. If an official steals money from the state and records it and property on his relatives, then this is an organized criminal group - a gang. It is necessary to put organized family corruption gangs on life imprisonment and flash mobs on TV with their participation in correctional labor.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 12
    -8
    Quote: Bearded
    It is necessary to put organized family corruption gangs on life imprisonment and flash mobs on TV with their participation in correctional labor.

    The shootings do not help, so there will be those who wish.
  • Machito
    Machito 14 February 2021 13: 44
    +13
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Bearded
    It is necessary to put organized family corruption gangs on life imprisonment and flash mobs on TV with their participation in correctional labor.

    The shootings do not help, so there will be those who wish.

    If, instead of Solovyov, you turn on TV every day, like a minister for extortion with the whole family, they are serving life life, digging a coal in sunny Magadan, then there will be orders of magnitude fewer who want to steal. And the shooting is bullshit. That's when you understand that for your theft from the country your grandchildren will shovel Siberia for life and curse your greed ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 24
    +3
    That's when you understand that for your theft from the country your grandchildren will shovel Siberia for life and curse your greed ...
    although mother Siberia is big, but for what, for us Siberians - "this" is all digging ..., it's better to the neighbors (hello to the population on Dalniy laughing ) to the Kuril Islands, send crabs and fish to catch in cold waters ...
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 08
    +26
    Quote: Intruder
    but why, for us Siberians - "this" is all digging ..

    I agree. Why is the Execution Ground empty?
  • Drugov
    Drugov 17 February 2021 01: 57
    +1
    Let the deforested forests be planted.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 32
    -9
    Quote: Bearded
    That's when you understand that for your theft from the country your grandchildren will shovel Siberia for life and curse your greed

    It may help, but not a fact.
  • aglet
    aglet 15 February 2021 11: 14
    -1
    "It may help, but not a fact."
    but you can try, what if it works? true, the authorities are trying a lot here, but they can't
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 07
    +23
    Quote: Dart2027
    The shootings do not help, so there will be those who wish.

    Strange, it helps in China, the country is developing, the economy is growing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 19
    -3
    Quote: Silvestr
    Strange, it helps in China, the country is developing

    The point is that they do not help to completely eradicate corruption.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 06
    +24
    Quote: Bearded
    Organized family corruption gangs should be imprisoned for life

    Here is a more convincing example of China. laughing
  • Revival
    Revival 14 February 2021 16: 07
    +1
    But in general, it's just perfect, no one asks, but it is necessary to strive for this by any means, so that instead of plans to build a fdot, by some measure, it is still under construction ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 46
    -6
    Quote: Revival
    straight perfect, no one asks, but you need to strive for this by any means

    They strive for something, but everything depends on specific people, and not "boyars", but performers.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 05
    +24
    Quote: Dart2027
    I mean, it’s impossible to end corruption at all.
    Reply

    Therefore, why fight her? - Alaverdi! Why treat you - you will die anyway?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 20
    -4
    Quote: Silvestr
    So why fight it?

    You need to fight, but you cannot win. This is the reality.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 21
    0
    However, at the same time, China is developing by leaps and bounds.
    because ..., the process doesn't stop:
    The Chinese have been shooting for ...
    !
  • bk0010
    bk0010 14 February 2021 12: 20
    +4
    Quote: Dart2027
    The Chinese have been shooting for ... for years, but the process does not end.
    So what? This does not mean that you have to stop. There are simply a lot of Chinese, they need more time.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 14 February 2021 13: 42
    +2
    The Chinese have been shooting for ... for years, but the process does not end.


    Because the "process" cannot end. It would be naive to expect that someday such a blessed time will come when all the creatures will be shot, and new ones will never appear again, which means the shootings will be canceled and only exceptionally good people will remain who, holding hands, will go towards the rising sun, like to some romantic movie.
    Regular cleaning is a natural necessity of society, performed in order to protect ourselves from freaks.
  • Revival
    Revival 14 February 2021 16: 06
    +4
    Uh-huh, and at the same time they build ships like baked pies and everything else, and not "ask for understanding."
  • sniperino
    sniperino 14 February 2021 16: 06
    -1
    Quote: bk0010
    Just like Stalin. In a purely evolutionary way: he shot the thieves and recruited new ones.
    Tell me, would you personally identify and shoot the thieves without red tape, or would you use the existing system for this? Maybe in a couple of days you would be able to cleanse the system of corruption at least a little, to be sure that not only scapegoats are being smacked ... Why such managers are kept at VO, and not immediately to the Kremlin, is not clear.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 10
      +23
      Quote: sniperino
      shot the thieves without red tape

      Don't you believe our courts? Here Putin believes and recommends
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 14 February 2021 21: 59
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Don't you believe our courts?
        I believe, but not 100 percent. And with firing articles, judges and prosecutors will have more temptations; so I fear if they will resist the temptation. Therefore, first let the system be adjusted without executions in peacetime, while we have it.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 15 February 2021 02: 07
    0
    Quote: bk0010
    Just like Stalin. In a purely evolutionary way ...

    - Grandma, who is Stalin?
    - This is a granddaughter like your google: you ask him a question - he will link you ...
  • Aag
    Aag 14 February 2021 12: 26
    +9
    Quote: Finches
    You are a wizard? In practice, please tell us how you will do this - bring out a new breed of people, remove the old ones and replace them with new honest and noble ones?
    This is an evolutionary process of development of the state apparatus! Today, things with corruption are many times better than in the 90s, but miracles do not happen - it takes time, you need to grow up each person individually and society as a whole!
    Explain all the same, please, how do you propose to do this at once?

    "... This is an evolutionary process of development of the state apparatus ..."
    Yeah. Like "negative growth" ....

    "... miracles do not happen - it takes time, you need to grow up each person individually and society as a whole ..."
    Of course, only growing up occurs during the period of the abolished ideology, education as a service sector, and the production of galoshes is called the merits of the older generation.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 03
    +26
    Quote: Finches
    how will you do it - bring out a new breed of people, remove all the old ones and replace them with new honest and noble ones?

    This is just the example of Singapore.
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 20: 10
      -6
      Are you naturally so interesting or what ?? In childhood, they used to say in the yard - no need to compare ... with a finger! I'm sorry, of course! Not begging for the merits of Lee Kuan Yew, but Singapore is a city - which no one needs in the big world from the word at all! Therefore, even if people were eating there now, this would also be perceived as normal, and there is no corruption there - so they know each other by sight! laughing
      1. your1970
        your1970 17 February 2021 10: 18
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        and so there is no corruption - so they know each other by sight!

        And 42 police officers - who know everyone by sight ...
        And the population is 3 times less than Moscow, and the area is 6 times less than Moscow
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 23
      -3
      Quote: Silvestr
      Singapore example is appropriate

      The salaries of judges and civil servants were raised. Thus, the salary of a Singaporean judge has reached several hundred thousand dollars a year (in the 1990s it exceeded a million dollars a year). The salaries of civil servants in senior positions have been raised to a level comparable to that of top managers in private corporations.
      Lee Kuan Yew argued that people in political positions should be paid big salaries: they deserve it by representing a decent and honest government. If they are underpaid, it will be easier for them to succumb to temptation, the prime minister said. When revised in 1989 and 1994, the salaries of top civil servants in Singapore were raised to the point where they became the largest in the world..
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 14 February 2021 22: 55
        +25
        Quote: Dart2027
        The salaries of judges and civil servants were raised.

        the salary of the chairman of the district court 1 million per month is not enough? !!!!!
        The reporting of authorities and jurisdiction are not comparable at all!
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 13
          0
          Quote: Overlock
          the salary of the chairman of the district court 1 million per month

          Dollars? Moreover, taking into account inflation since those years? And the question is, where did such money come from in poverty-stricken Singapore?
          1. aglet
            aglet 15 February 2021 11: 52
            0
            "Dollars? Moreover, taking into account inflation from those years?"
            The monetary unit of Singapore is the Singapore dollar. then it was not worth as much as it is now
        2. your1970
          your1970 16 February 2021 13: 12
          0
          You bikes are completely fake, do not sculpt numbers ...
          Go to the website of any court - look at the statements on the income and expenses of judges, they are published in the public domain ..
          The average figure for judges is 3 million per year, no more
      2. aglet
        aglet 15 February 2021 11: 34
        +1
        "The salaries of judges and civil servants were raised."
        it doesn't work for us
    3. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 14 February 2021 22: 59
      +3
      Not ... it will not work ... Serving your people is a "scoop", this is collectivism, this is the USSR - Our task, which the education system sets, is to ensure the SELF-REALIZATION of the individual ... Only self-realization is often understood in a very peculiar way - this is not when you serve the people, and when you are doing all the fun, and everyone is working for you ... This is when the boss says the right words, and he thinks, "go ahead and don't ask stupid questions, watch the Comedy Club and have fun."
  • for
    for 14 February 2021 10: 19
    +13
    Quote: Finches
    why Moscow should feed the Caucasus or the Vladimir region.

    Maybe the whole country feeds Moscow on the contrary.
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 10: 25
      -10%
      I quoted a certain Yegor Prosvirin, all the questions to him! hi
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 26
    +26
    Quote: Finches
    you need to destroy everything once again and then uh, let's live

    So after all and destroy 20 years. What are the successes in civilian life?
    Quote: Finches
    What is Portugal?

    Putin promised to catch up and overtake ... it was a long time ago, but it was
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 19: 46
      -6
      Putin did not say that! Catch up and overtake Portugal, you see it was confused with Khrushchev ... laughing
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 15
        +25
        Quote: Finches
        Putin did not say that!


        The leader must be read laughing and outline
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 February 2021 20: 26
          -6
          The proposal to "catch up and overtake Portugal" was written by G. Gref and the CSR staff in the article "Russia at the turn of the millennium," signed by "V. Putin" and published in Nezavisimaya Gazeta on December 30, 1999. you still won't believe it! Well, at least remember how you lived in 1999 and how the country lived, how it lives now! Yes, it’s no use to tell you and your ilk - in 1999 the country was on the brink of survival, there was a war in the Caucasus, the economy was in complete collapse ... And now the freedom fighters have come out on Western grants! And then little by little they collected, that would not be what their families - to feed the soldiers! Limpopo they are catching up here .... untranslatable pun!
          1. aglet
            aglet 15 February 2021 11: 44
            +2
            "And then they collected crumbs, that would not be something that their families - to feed the soldiers! Limpopo they are catching up here .... untranslatable pun!"
            the soldiers were fed with crumbs, because the generals sold the army in large chunks, not allowing the crumbs to wake up. and limpopo is still waiting for us, like a bright future
            1. Finches
              Finches 15 February 2021 11: 51
              0
              You won't wait! Don't even hope!
              1. aglet
                aglet 16 February 2021 11: 56
                +4
                "Do not wait! Do not even hope!"
                harsh reality will prove everything to you
                "Angola - 21 AOA - 454 thousand rubles - $ 21,4 per month"
                "Russian minimum wage equal to 12 rubles or $ 130 per month."
                and there is also limpopo nearby, Angola, however, will not catch up
              2. Finches
                Finches 16 February 2021 12: 21
                -2
                Everything suits me! I like something and not, but I believe that Russia is on the right track! And I don't care about Angola!
              3. andrew42
                andrew42 16 February 2021 13: 37
                +2
                "Everything suits me!" - Zyablitsev, so you would start with this. No bickering for 100500 posts. However, NOT EVERYTHING suits you - there is dissatisfaction with the fact that many others are not satisfied with the country's path to degeneration.
              4. Finches
                Finches 16 February 2021 13: 45
                -1
                Everything suits and cannot, only I support the course that Russia is moving today! And I love my country! And some are trying to knock her off course on the wrong path hiding behind hypocritical slogans to please our eternal enemy, the Angolsax!
              5. andrew42
                andrew42 17 February 2021 15: 28
                0
                That's what is out of the area of ​​the hypocritical cliché, it's "Anglo-Saxons". Here is a straight locksmith from Manchester does not give us all life! First, you need to define the terminology - "uot daz it min" - and only then identify the enemy.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 02: 15
            -1
            Quote: Finches
            And I don't care about Angola!

            I lie near the trunk of a fallen palm tree, thinking tensely. I try to stick out so that I can visually attach myself through binoculars. Then I look at the palm tree and freak out. Machine shells driven into the barrel in Russian says "Lieutenant Vova Popovskikh was here"
  • aglet
    aglet 15 February 2021 11: 39
    0
    "Putin did not say that!"
    It seems to me, too, did not speak, did not have time. this is even before him, some of the great economists, roofing felts Gaidar, roofing felts Chubais voiced. and at the time of Khrushchev, Portugal was so deep below that very few people knew about it, let alone compare with it
  • sniperino
    sniperino 14 February 2021 22: 10
    -2
    Quote: Silvestr
    So after all and destroy 20 years.
    You built all the 90s for yourself, built, and then something went wrong. Now let the country be built, and you have a little rest, otherwise you have already set up a lot for yourself and are trying to arrange all this as Putin's dacha.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 February 2021 11: 06
    +9
    Silvestr Which Portugal sire ?! We will be wildly jealous of Limpopo at this rate. fellow
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 14 February 2021 19: 08
    -2
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: Finches
    in Russia, in the USA, democracy, freedom and truth, and in Russia lies, hypocrisy and totalitarianism

    Compare the economy. Has the USSR caught up with the USA? Will Russia catch up with the US? Well, at least Portugal? laughing

    Compare the territory of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the population of the USSR and the Russian Federation, the volume of industry in the USSR and TF. Only in the Ukrainian SSR what an industrial base was! And so in all republics. and then tear your throat. A fighter for "justice", but the reasoning of a first-grader's fail!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 17
      +23
      Quote: 30 vis
      A fighter for "justice", but the reasoning of a first-grader's fail!

      I would be silent! Return the beaches to the residents of Sevastopol and build treatment facilities, solve the water problem. Where did you spend your money for 6 years?
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 14 February 2021 22: 37
    +1
    The USSR did not catch up with the USA. But the United States did not catch up with Great Britain, France, Germany, etc. Before they decided to democratize it, the USSR was the second economy in the world!
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 14 February 2021 08: 24
    +20
    At least to the level of the "drowned" USSR, we are very many years old .. strong Russia, in contrast to the USSR, this is 25 years of development under Stalin .. it's not exactly today to talk about it for sure, but it's sad, but it is so .. so let's start strong, and then we will declare so .. or do you think that we are not worse than the USSR in strength?
  • paul3390
    paul3390 14 February 2021 08: 58
    +27
    This is not why the super power drowned

    The collapse of the USSR was certainly not an accident. What happened was exactly what Lenin, Stalin, and even Trotsky had so actively warned about. The struggle against bourgeois manifestations ceased; moreover, they began to be considered normal and were welcomed by the leaders. No wonder, oh no wonder Comrade Stalin postulated that the further - the class struggle will only intensify!

    Everything happened according to the classics - by destroying the dictatorship of the proletariat under crumbling, thereby giving freedom of action to the unfinished petty-bourgeois elements. Which quickly became sooooo big bourgeois ..
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 09: 02
      -18%
      Quite right, even the theory stalled after Stalin - therefore, no one knew how to switch from a mobilization economy to a peaceful one, we drove along a knurled one, plus Khrushchev's destruction of the very Idea of ​​socialism! Not from a big mind - he also wanted to change, but in fact he planted a time bomb under the state foundations! And now many, even Roman, an intelligent person do not understand that they are pouring water into the wrong mill!
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 13
        +21
        Khrushchev began with the main thing - he destroyed the dictatorship of the proletariat. Replacing it with some moronic state of the whole people .. Thus, postulating that the bourgeois elements of the type are finally destroyed and there is no one to fight with. An shish, the bourgeoisie turned out to be much more tenacious, and as soon as they stopped suppressing it, it immediately gained strength and devoured the Soviet state .. And they polished everything with the economy, cranking the famous Liberman reform type, introducing capitalist market elements into the socialist Stalinist economy. Providing the economic basis for the reviving bourgeoisie that has raised its head ..

        In general - all this is well described by the founders. This is not to say that it suddenly rrrraz - and suddenly happened. No - they warned, warned, and many times. But alas, after the post-critical losses in the Second World War, an extremely small number of truly educated Marxists simply remained in the country. Who would be able to see the impending terrible danger, and most importantly - to resist the bourgeois degeneration of the upper classes. That is why I always believed that in the end, the USSR of the Second World War, alas, lost ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 February 2021 09: 23
          -13%
          On the whole, I agree, but Stalin saw and understood the problem. After the war, the economy came out ahead of politics, which undoubtedly was absolutely correct understanding of the state leadership of the current situation! His article "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR" just touched on the key points in the development of economic science in the USSR, representing the development of Marxist political economy. He also forbade the publication of a textbook on political economy at that time, because it was a dead-end and did not reveal further steps in the transition from a mobilization economy to a socialist economy in peacetime! Only all this happened already in 1952, but here there was not enough thinking people and the narrow-minded villager Khrushchev came to power - who again put politics on the agenda, pushing the economy into the background!
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 29
            +15
            Just accelerated industrialization required a tough and unified leadership, that is, the party. Otherwise - apparently it was impossible. Such things do not work without one-man management. And the party has gained too much power and strength. What Trotsky wrote about. Did Comrade Stalin understand this? And how. And the plans were to withdraw the country from the control of the nomenclature. But - the war broke out, and there was no time for democracy .. And then - it was necessary to restore the country. And then - the Leader died .. And the nomenclature - received unlimited power ..

            On this topic - extremely interesting materials of the most closed congress - XIX .. At which comrade Stalin fought his last battle. And alas - he lost. He was already old ..
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 February 2021 09: 38
              -21%
              This is the big problem of our state - many of us constantly want changes (some kind of still unknown mental illness spreading only on 1/6 of the land)! The itch of change leads to the destruction of statehood, total impoverishment of the people, civil wars and internecine strife, loss of independence and territory ... As soon as life begins to improve, the disease begins to progress again! As Vysotsky wrote it was "time and prices were reduced" , but no - we want change, so let's put an end to the glorious past, throw mud at it and spit on the graves of our fathers, because we went in the wrong direction and there was a cult of personality! Today the same song is repeated - we have a cult going 20 years in the wrong direction! Ukraine, over there, is going where it needs to go - yesterday it built aircraft-carrying cruisers, the largest aircraft in the world, strategic launch vehicles, and today they accept used rubber boats as a gift with tears of emotion in their eyes ... Most likely they have already come to the right place. - they live like in Portugal, there is no totalitarianism! Everything is good with them! laughing
              1. Elturisto
                Elturisto 14 February 2021 12: 49
                +8
                Bourgeois guano poured into it like from a torn sack, a full set - change the training manual already, his life is getting better. Chotam you get better for 50 re for 1000 characters - life adjuster. And the aircraft-carrying cruisers were built by the USSR and not Ukraine.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 14 February 2021 14: 10
                  -8
                  Apparently, politeness is not your strong point - have you set up many aircraft-carrying cruisers in the USSR? And what are you helping Russia now - what do you produce, defend your homeland ... or so, they went out to wander about! You are our eloquent - I don't like strong Russia - I understand that, it hurts and unpleasant! Well, do at least something, go to the barricades, why on the Internet, then to fight with the power, the Internet is not cold, neither yours nor ours! laughing
                  1. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 14 February 2021 15: 00
                    -2
                    I'll write to you - helicopter and marine engines, all gas turbine engines for energy are supplied from Ukraine so far - strong Russia :), Russia is strong with oligarchs' yachts, and a number of patriotic trolls :)
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: ElTuristo
                    helicopter and marine engines, gas turbine engines for power engineering are all supplied from Ukraine to this day

                    Not tired of lying? Theirs have been shipped for a long time, and your Zarya will soon be of no use to anyone.
                  3. Freeman
                    Freeman 14 February 2021 16: 39
                    +7
                    [quote = ElTuristo]I'll write to you, helicopter and marine engines, Gas turbine engines for power engineering are all supplied from Ukraine / quote]
                    belay About how!
                    It turns out that the nodes for the VK-2500 engines, while in Moscow, I make in Ukraine.
                    It turns out that I -

                    wassat
                  4. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 14 February 2021 16: 48
                    -2
                    What are the nodes?
                  5. Freeman
                    Freeman 14 February 2021 17: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: ElTuristo
                    What are the nodes?

                    It's not a secret.
                    https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/2019/?ELEMENT_ID=3008
                  6. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 14 February 2021 19: 32
                    -2
                    I only saw about axial compressors, and even then without references to the number of produced ones. And who does the rest? Tell us more about the "Russian!" AI-222 :)
                  7. Freeman
                    Freeman 14 February 2021 20: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: ElTuristo
                    I only saw about axial compressors, and even then without references to the number of produced ones. And who does the rest?Tell us more about "Russian!" AI-222 :)

                    Since 2015, completely Russian. And even modernized.
                    https://www.uecrus.com/rus/presscenter/odk_news/2020/?ELEMENT_ID=3325

                    Shl. You can also find out about GTE and other questions you are interested in.
                    On the site, on the left, there is a panel - "Press Center * UEC news".
                  8. Elturisto
                    Elturisto 14 February 2021 21: 51
                    -2
                    Judging by the press releases, everything has already been replaced, but in 2011, only VK-2500 for some reason are supplied from Latvia :) Well, it's time to say goodbye to you, while the aircraft manufacturer :)
                  9. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 27
                    0
                    Quote: ElTuristo
                    , only VK-2500 for some reason are supplied from Latvia

                    The source of this information will of course be?
    2. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 14 February 2021 21: 49
      +2
      Eugene, you never answered me above .. where is Russia strong today? in the army, yes .. the situation is mostly normal .. where else? we have an active economic war with the West and no classical one is expected .. where are our economic victories? Or is it we prohibit, for example, amerskiy tankers to import gas to Europe, and not they break SP-2? Or is it they who store reserves in rubles, and not us in dollars? and much more .. where is the power?
  • sniperino
    sniperino 14 February 2021 22: 40
    -1
    Quote: paul3390
    Khrushchev began with the main thing - he destroyed the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    If not noticed, then it was destroyed by J.V. Stalin in 1935 and shifted the focus of ideology from class struggle to self-cleaning of the party from all sorts of deviations that hinder the rallying and mobilization of the forces of the whole society
    Quote: paul3390
    bourgeois elements of the type are completely destroyed and there is no one else to fight with. An shish, the bourgeoisie turned out to be much more tenacious
    Likewise, the slave owners and the latifundists have not yet died out, but don't even expect a class struggle. Here, this page of history has already been turned. Find yourself a country that you do not mind, and go ahead.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 February 2021 14: 44
    +3
    ...... plus the destruction by Khrushchem ......

    !!!!!!!!!!! It is today just 65 years, as the XX Congress of the CPSU took place., where Khrushchev began to slander Stalin. Then the destruction of our country began. The world Communist movement suffered enormous damage.
    This is the day today.
  • your1970
    your1970 14 February 2021 14: 52
    -2
    There was Stalin - there was a cult of personality, they sang songs, wrote books ..
    There was Khrushchev - silence and curses after
    There was Brezhnev, there was a cult of personality, they sang songs, wrote books.
    There was Gorbachev and Yeltsin - silence and curses after

    If the cycle repeats, I very very I'm afraid that we will longingly (like about the times of Stalin and Brezhnev) remember the times of Putin
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 February 2021 19: 48
    +1
    rather V. Mayakovsky expressed - about ficuses and Marx looked from the wall, looked ... - philistinism.
    and the top is already about the ideology of development.
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 09: 34
    +25
    Quote: Finches
    As it was already called to the beautiful far away without Nicholas II

    What did not suit you in this recent past? Maybe an 8 hour work day or a 5 day work week? Maybe free and affordable medicine with education did not suit you? Maybe the absence of beggars did not please you? Was there not enough social security? I've got this crusty nonsense already.
    Quote: Finches
    Strong Russia is not needed by anyone

    The current "Lords of Ershiks" do not make it strong, for the sake of Western interests. Slid down to the raw material appendage of economically more developed countries.
    1. Finches
      Finches 14 February 2021 09: 42
      -28%
      You didn’t understand anything from what you wrote, but you inserted your 5 kopecks! The main thing for a fighter with a "bloody" regime is to insert a word - even if it is not interesting to anyone and does not carry any semantic meaning, he is a fighter and cannot remain silent! laughing
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 09: 59
        +14
        Quote: Finches
        You didn't understand anything from what you wrote,

        Yes, you have long been clear to me. Stability, that is, stable degradation, without shocks, is what you are campaigning for. Well, and to kick the Bolsheviks at the same time, do not forget how they destroyed the Great Russia, Which We Lost. They tortured the poor martyr in the basement.
        1. Finches
          Finches 14 February 2021 10: 13
          -15%
          Understood, but somehow it is not so - I have never been a monarchist in the full sense of the word! And I always call Nicholas II a tsar-rag, for which I am constantly attacked by local monarchists. If you are not too lazy to look through my comments, you will be able to isolate that I am a supporter of the socialist path of development for Russia ... And I never wrote anything bad about the Bolsheviks, because if not a Bolshevik, then a Marxist! The only thing I really don't like is democracy! I like the dictatorship - the proletariat, the dictator or, at worst, the monarch! With GDP, Russia in the sphere of strategic development is a State that was able to overcome the consequences of the collapse of the USSR and the chaos of the 90s! It extinguished internal strife, began to restore its independence and political, military and economic power, which terribly did not like the West and it turned on all the power of its influence against independent Russia! Including the payment within our country to people with an "active" life position, to destroy the state from within through a coup ... Therefore, I do not like the policy of clattering conducted by the GDP - in the eyes of the "progressive" Western and not only the public, he is a dictator ! So isn't it time to act in a dictatorial way - to take all the bawlers and send them to benefit the country somewhere in the mines ...
          I do not see the degradation of the country, so when I walk past the Admiralty shipyards, I see that work is in full swing there around the clock and ships are being built on the stocks! I see Almaz-Antey working in three shifts, while driving through Siberia last year, I saw for the first time that there were no fields abandoned in the tunnels, as in the 90s - there were tractors, the fields were cultivated ... I was even surprised! Why am I going to paint everything for you - you don't want to see it, you only see the bad! But those who work in the fields, serve in the Arctic, in Syria, are in space ... They have no time to chat and look for Putin's palaces, but I see that they are not busy with anything - I wonder at whose expense the banquet? wondered?
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 12: 36
            +15
            Quote: Finches
            Understood, but somehow it is not so - I have never been a monarchist ...

            Eugene, you would put things in order in your head. There you have socialism and monarchism, and the opposition of the Bolsheviks to Marxism is generally something. The Bolsheviks are Marxists, did the Bolsheviks refute Marx's theory in any way? Did they have any other views on private property or government?
            Quote: Finches
            The only thing I really don't like is democracy!

            Democracy is a very capacious concept, democracy, it is not a "spherical horse in a vacuum", there is no "simple democracy". Agree with me that the Athenian slave-owning democracy and bourgeois democracy in the United States are completely different things, although both are democracy. Can you remember such a thing as "democratic centralism"? Isn't this true democracy, like the rule of the people? The same principle is the main one in the organization of the Marxist-Leninist parties.
            Quote: Finches
            I like the dictatorship - the proletariat, the dictator or, at worst, the monarch!

            I applaud while standing! The dictatorship of the proletariat has nothing to do with "dictatorship" as a concept. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the rule of the working class, i.e. the majority of the country's population, organized according to the principle of democratic centralism. The power of a dictator or monarch is the power of the minority over the majority. How can you exhibit
            are these concepts identical?
            Quote: Finches
            With GDP, Russia in the field of strategic development is a State that was able to overcome the consequences of the collapse of the USSR and the chaos of the 90s!

            Well, you somehow be more careful in expressions, or something. What did it (RF) overcome? Is it okay that the people in power today (and their successors) who destroyed the USSR, and who are the main beneficiaries of the collapse of the USSR and the thieves' privatization? Where is this liberal economic course taken back in the 90s leading? Just recently, Massandra was sold for a penny to "theirs", a little earlier the Kalashnikov concern. Is this in your opinion "overcoming the collapse of the USSR"?
            Quote: Finches
            Therefore, I do not like the policy of clattering conducted by the GDP - he is still a dictator in the eyes of the "progressive" Western and not only the public! So, isn't it time to act in a dictatorial way - to take all the bawlers and send them to benefit the country somewhere in the mines ...

            "People have always been and always will be stupid victims of deception and self-deception in politics, until they learn to look for the interests of certain classes behind any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises." IN AND. Lenin. Think about the words of a classic at your leisure. In the interests of what class does the Russian state protect today? Not the West, the main enemy of the Russian people, but their own "powers that be." Look back, did the Bolsheviks invite invaders to our land? No, this was done by representatives of the "powers that be", the dictator Kolchak and other representatives of the "White movement". On what basis do you think that today will be different? To protect their own pockets, our oligarchs, together with officials, will invite the devil, if possible.
            1. depressant
              depressant 14 February 2021 13: 23
              +7
              Colleague aleksejkabanets, my applause!
              hi good ))))
            2. Finches
              Finches 14 February 2021 13: 41
              -13%
              I then put things in order in my head, which is what I wish for you - I live in today's realities - and I swore an oath to the Fatherland! I like GDP, so I will take its side, including, God forbid, in an armed conflict, if you and your ilk bring the country to a civil war - do not be offended, but I am a career officer - from a conscript soldier to my stars I served and now I am in reserve - I will not let you ruin your homeland and that's it! Whether you like it or not, know that this position also exists! You, Navalny, other clowns hiding behind ostensibly love for Russia - everything looks the same for me - six of the State Department! This is my life experience and my knowledge! hi
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 21
                +27
                Quote: Finches
                I am a career officer - from a conscript soldier to my stars I served and now I am in reserve - I will not let you ruin your homeland

                With all due respect to your convictions and impulses, I must grieve you - they will not ask you and such officers in the 90s supported the counter-revolution and shot at people on the streets of Moscow
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 23
                +27
                Quote: Finches
                other clowns hiding behind ostensibly love for Russia - all for me on the same face - six of the State Department!

                Strange! But the elite, who for the sake of salvation
                Chubais sent her capital to negotiate with America, do you consider yours? And who gave him the authority? Brain cancer!
              3. Intruder
                Intruder 14 February 2021 23: 24
                +2
                You, Navalny, other clowns hiding behind ostensibly love for Russia - everything looks the same for me - six of the State Department! This is my life experience and my knowledge!
                cute such a transition to personalities in an offensive form .... Mindful how !? winked And if some have love not for Russia (he was personally born on the right bank of the Dnieper in the Ukrainian SSR ... wink ) - immediately to be shot, or write at least to the foreign agents of the State Department! ?? laughing
              4. bk0010
                bk0010 14 February 2021 23: 53
                +3
                Quote: Finches
                I will not let you ruin your homeland and that's it!
                And what are you, such a patriot, letting the Chubais and Rottenbergs destroy the Motherland?
            3. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 34
              -4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Not the West, the main enemy of the Russian people, but its own "powers that be"

              How familiar.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 18: 14
                +5
                Quote: Dart2027
                How familiar.

                "When I was a pioneer, I was told how good it would be to live in our future, in which we will be proud of the achievements of our country! But already in the future, I began to understand how good it was to live when I was a pioneer and I am proud only of the past.
                of my Motherland - the countries of the USSR ... "This is from the" vastness of the Internet ", but noticed very accurately. And tell me why did you put up the fascist poster of the Second World War? To show that the current heirs of Vlasov and Krasnov, under the leadership of the" Great Lord Ershikov " have achieved their goal, pilfered public property into their pockets and pass it off as the great achievements of democracy?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 48
                  -7
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  When I was a pioneer, I was told how good it would be to live in our future, in which we will be proud of our country's achievements! But already in the future, I began to understand how good it was to live when I was a pioneer and I am proud only of the past.
                  of my Fatherland - the countries of the USSR ...

                  Well, how did it end? By the way, 10-15 years before the collapse of the USSR, the pioneers did not believe in him.
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  And why did you put up a fascist poster of the Second World War? To show that the current heirs of Vlasov and Krasnov

                  Under the leadership of your Fuehrer (although Navalny is far from that Fuehrer) they say the same thing.
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 25
                    +26
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    By the way, 10-15 years before the collapse of the USSR, the pioneers did not believe in him.

                    And these believe their ...
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 31
                    -6
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    And these believe

                    And you to your
                  3. andrew42
                    andrew42 16 February 2021 13: 55
                    +1
                    The Zaputintsy should have long ago accepted Navalny into the United Russia, given him a good bread fast and continue to dry up the country "in peace and harmony." But Leshik, apparently, did not finish to such an honor, he was sent to "feud" on the next round. And Leshik would not refuse to spill over, but the trouble is, they are not invited to the "Putin's friends club", personal hostility and places at the trough are in short supply, and Leshik will not be satisfied with little things.
                  4. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 17 February 2021 15: 51
                    0
                    Quote: andrew42
                    Zaputintsy should have long ago accepted Navalny into the United Russia, given him a good bread fast and continue to dry the country "in peace and harmony"

                    So, "the piglet is small, there is not enough for everyone", they themselves are not enough how to share something?
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 47
        +3
        I applaud while standing! The dictatorship of the proletariat has nothing to do with "dictatorship" as a concept.
        Batko Makhno, now shed a tear in "the land of the eternal hunt," after all, how good the thought was: "We need to broadcast, the white ones - on the left side of the road, and the red commissar - on the right ..." wink
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 17: 06
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          Batko Makhno, now shed a tear in the "land of the eternal hunt" because, how good the thought was: "We need to broadcast, the white ones are on the left side of the road, and the red commissar is on the right ..

          And what has Makhno got to do with it? He had a slightly different worldview. As far as I understand, he had nothing to do with the dictatorship of the proletariat and democratic centralism.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 14 February 2021 22: 28
            0
            he had nothing to do with the dictatorship of the proletariat and democratic centralism.
            right, for he loved to broadcast both those and those along the road - where the pyramidal poplars and birches grow laughing and the fact that the "dermocrats" are now not a match, those from Athens (I have a great-grandmother, by the way, a native of this city), we all see for the next 30 years and not only in the Russian Federation, by the way, because of the Ocean there are many of them divorced in Europe too .., some values ​​have piled themselves with rainbow, ugh ... shame and nothing more! Or the dictatorship of the proletarians, where the proletarians themselves in the region are 0, but they say it's so beautiful on the net about this very dictatorship ...
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 22: 49
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              Or the dictatorship of the proletarians, where the proletarians themselves in the region are 0, but they say it's so beautiful on the net about this very dictatorship ...

              Well, it's not the proletarians' fault that there is no work. We have to create jobs for ourselves. I don't know about you, but in our service sector, the level of exploitation of hired labor is very high. So, for example, a saleswoman in a grocery store works from 7 am to half past eleven at night. Eats practically at the checkout, works two in two days. There are no vacations, only if you change with a change. Salary 17 thousand (middle class, as Putin said). In "Magnets" conditions are not much better, but there are endless job calls, revisions, fines and shortages. One thing is good that there are no rosy values, but for now, I think, they are beneficial to someone. So far, we only have cats and dogs going to microchip, at the expense of the owners, so that there would be fewer homeless animals)))))
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 14 February 2021 23: 15
              +1
              I don't know about you, but in our service sector, the level of exploitation of hired labor is very high. So, for example, a saleswoman in a grocery store works from 7 in the morning until half past eleven at night. Eats practically at the checkout, works two in two days. There are no vacations, only if you change with a change. Salary 17 thousand (middle class, as Putin said).
              I lived for many years in Siberia and under the USSR, and already in the Russian Federation in the 90s and 00s, and therefore I know how it was in reality ..., and now I have to be there and there, and even in Europe, and business and fun, so I can compare the standard of living and in general, I can say that in the USA there are jobs, as in Magnet in the Russian Federation, for cash and without medical insurance, for legal and illegal immigrants, and salaries are not the same there like the minimum 21 bucks per hour, and the Mexican "Tajiks" also work in the streets and construction sites in the Russian Federation, here, for example, the mex cuts the lawn at the front for 50 bucks every two weeks, with his lawn mower .., so glad me, everyone once when he comes to my house (and this is not such a lot of money for Central California ..), just cash and without a tax (tax), he can see it in a box, so that later he does not report to the tax office at the end of the year for work. ., and my neighbors will try to "knock" the tax inspector, so I will say that he is my friend and helps me to cut the grass for free, by the kindness of ear (he is a Catholic ...)! laughing
            3. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 23: 27
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              so that you do not report to the tax office later

              Yes, tax, this is "the greatest evil".))))))))
            4. Intruder
              Intruder 14 February 2021 23: 28
              +1
              Yes, tax, this is "the greatest evil".))))))))
              not only and everywhere, also politicians, judges and lawyers ... laughing laughing wink
  • andrew42
    andrew42 17 February 2021 15: 35
    +1
    Right. About the raw material appendage. At the same time, our people are considered "our" power for "raw materials of the second level" - raw materials for the process of extracting material raw materials. New oil! - everything has already been announced vnaglyak.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 14 February 2021 19: 42
    +2
    all the same, the reptilians will defeat the morons ............................................. .................................................. .......
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 15 February 2021 00: 18
    0
    What the hell are you talking about ?! You understand the question from the word - no way.
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 14 February 2021 10: 28
    +9
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Already for the Poisoner they marry in good faith and honor

    So it is written in the article that neither one nor the other does not disdain dirty machinations. But what is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to the bull. Navalny, at least, is not lying that he is calling to shoot a video ...
    It is shameful to grovel in front of a man like that, whether he be president three times.

    "Do not make yourself an idol" - it was not said yesterday. Moreover, that:
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 February 2021 07: 48
    0
    Quote: Cottodraton
    Directly cognitive dissonance ...
    But, of course, this is "different"

    It is quite obvious that the so-called. "hybrid" war, one of the directions of which is information war. First of all, globalists are trying to discredit and discredit the military-political leadership of today's Russia, as in front of the whole world, and, first of all, in front of the population of Russia, to sow doubt, fear, uncertainty in it, undermine trust, etc. All methods are used for this, incl. and such as this "article" written by a "famous" author on this site. Somewhere like this ...
  • Proton
    Proton 14 February 2021 05: 42
    +37
    In many ways, I support the author.
    Already tired of the lies rushing from many media.
    Many people went to protests not for the sake of the impudent clown, but against the lies of the existing system of power.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 14 February 2021 06: 11
      +26
      it's not about Navalny ...
      everything rests on Putinism, raised to the rank of state ideology ...
      the worse the life of the population, the stronger the insanity of the authorities ...
      and on the eve of the election agony, we will see the beauty of the Kremlin "epelleptic convulsions" ...
      although the obscurantism of the authorities is gaining momentum, the state propaganda is clearly losing out to the Internet ... the generation up to 40+ is actually torn away from the zombie box ...
      they took to the streets ... and it pleases ...
      1. Proton
        Proton 14 February 2021 06: 40
        +18
        I agree.
        Why did you give an example with this particular character?
        It's just that recently, the authorities (and some ordinary citizens), upon detecting criticism of the existing regime, immediately begin to hang labels such as "navalnata, liberasts, state department members."
        The rating of the authorities is sagging, so they are trying to shift problems from a sore head to a healthy one.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 14 February 2021 07: 56
          +32
          Quote: Proton
          Why did you give an example with this particular character?
          It's just that Navalny and his team are best at colorfully dunking officials in the threshing floor. Investigations about corruption in the highest echelons of power at various times were done by many media outlets, but it was Navalny (and the rapidly developing Internet technologies in the last decade) who was able to show this to the population in an accessible form. This is the very useful work that someone should do. But more is not required from Navalny, no one seriously thinks that he can occupy any government posts.
          1. clerk
            clerk 15 February 2021 16: 46
            -3
            You are deeply mistaken - Navalny does not fight corruption and all his "exposures" are a colorful fake to the public to compromise the authorities. To understand this - it is enough to compare Navalny's "exposure" with any real arrest of a minister, senator, general.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 07: 30
        +22
        Quote: kepmor
        Kremlin "epelleptic convulsions" ...

        Let them twitch in "epileptic" convulsions.
        ================================================== =====
        Novel! Thank you for the article. I noticed one typo - I sent in a correction.
        That's right! Everything is vital. Tired of living in lies and hypocrisy. People began to understand that Navalny's "pseudo truth" is completely painless in comparison with the lies and empty promises of the country's top officials. Many people got the impression that the roof of the people was blown off by the "copper pipes".
        Let those who did not live there talk about their desire to return to the USSR. Up to the tonsils he is fed up with the Baltic brothers and those "horsemen" who tried to divide the chores into "men's" and "we have women doing this."
        I want to join the renewed socialist Union of Soviet Slavic Republics. You can simply - the Russian Federation. But on a socialist economic platform with updated provisions on private property and on the right of every citizen to natural resource rent. Without these "fake shareholders" of Gazprom and Rosneft. I know people who understand this and I will support them to the end, no matter how many sticks the hired army of Kremlin bots put in my rating, for whom one value is defined in life - the US dollar and the euro.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 14 February 2021 08: 37
          +14
          Here you are about Navalny's pseudo-truth. And what is Navalny's lie? If in his videos, then why is he not tried for lying?
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 11: 08
            +8
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Here you are about the pseudo-truth of Navalny. And what is Navalny's lie?

            I wrote "pseudo truth" in quotation marks, meaning "similar to the truth." But the main idea here is this: even if the author is 100% right, his information is less important for the life of Russian citizens than lies and empty promises of the top officials of the state. Only people with power and authority are able to influence the state of affairs.
            I have already said before and will not be afraid to repeat that the court acquitted Navalny in cases of fraud. What happened after Navalny's arrival in Russia cannot be called justice. And the raised excitement around the personality of Alexei Anatolyevich is the most common biased farce of interested persons.
          2. Icarus
            Icarus 14 February 2021 12: 57
            +5
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Here you are about Navalny's pseudo-truth. And what is Navalny's lie? If in his videos, then why is he not tried for lying?

            Because for this you will have to start a public trial. It's easier to just turn on propaganda, accuse a person of lying, call a state treason 1000 times in a zomboyaschik, the people will believe. But these are outdated methods for the narrow-minded or the elderly. And the authorities cannot understand this, because before that everything worked out, but the "train" is moving forward, since the lie is now more and more difficult to hide (the Internet, social networks).
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 18: 10
              +5
              Quote: Icarus
              And the authorities cannot understand this, because before that everything worked out, but the "train" is moving forward, since the lie is now more and more difficult to hide (the Internet, social networks).

              I just watched the video of A.V. Karaulova:

              How correct he is to any person involved in his reports and investigations, this is just a model. In our country, Russia is considered a legal state, and I believe that a serious site like "VO" should treat messages with surnames turned inside out, personal nicknames more strictly.
              What interesting things did A.V. - it turns out that at the trial you can keep a transcript, where all the judicial nuances are recorded: the questions of the court and the answers of the parties ... Why am I? And to the fact that people stopped looking for the truth in the "zomboy" and find other sources of information. That there is a long way to go, the country learned about the oil spill in Norilsk just from the Internet, about which the guarantor himself notified the officials.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 28
            +26
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            If in his videos, then why is he not tried for lying?

            Therefore, they use emissions by the Zheglov method, since they do not have methods against him in an adversarial court.
          4. clerk
            clerk 15 February 2021 19: 40
            0
            And what is Navalny's lie? If in his videos, then why is he not tried for lying?
            Because there is no article "for a lie" in the Criminal Code.
        2. Loh
          Loh 14 February 2021 09: 01
          -2
          So all the same to the Soviet Union with its social structure? laughing
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 14 February 2021 09: 40
          +9
          hi
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I want to join the renewed socialist Union of Soviet Slavic Republics.

          Don't be a nationalist Colleague. Remember, Stalin was a Georgian, Dzerzhinsky was a Pole, Beria was a Mingrelian who crushed the Armenian Dashnaks, etc. It is not a matter of nations, but of the education of one or another of their representatives.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 18: 21
            +3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            It's not about nations, but about the education of certain their representatives.

            And it seems to me that this is a matter of philanthropy. Even when I was serving in the SA, I met compassionate women who came out with various sweets on the road along which columns of soldiers were walking.
            And further. There are different customs and customs. Only some immediately grab the knife, others will bump each other's sides, and still others prefer to explain themselves in words.
            When I read the memoirs of Zoya Fedorova, Georgy Zhzhonov, some materials on the conclusion of Korolev, I immediately imagined this "education" (guardians), which, without representing itself as anything, mocked talented people.
        4. aars
          aars 14 February 2021 10: 02
          -8
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I want to join the renewed socialist Union of Soviet Slavic Republics.
          It will not.
          The Slavs have always betrayed Russia and are now selling.
          Quote: ROSS 42
          on the right of every citizen to natural resource rent
          Uselessly.
          Because not enough for everyone under any circumstances.
          Work, work, work and work like bees or the Chinese.
          Otherwise nothing.
        5. Intruder
          Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 52
          +3
          Union of Soviet Slavic Republics
          smelled like national patriotism !? About the mass of non-Slavic republics have already been forgotten .., somehow quickly ??? Almost all of Siberia with the local population, the Far East and the Caucasus wink !? Or we separate it along the Ural ridge ... ??? laughing
        6. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 15 February 2021 00: 52
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          I want an updated Socialist Union of Soviet Slavic Republics.
          I like this phrase !! winked yes
        7. clerk
          clerk 15 February 2021 19: 53
          -1
          ... But on a socialist economic platform with updated provisions on private property and on the right of every citizen to natural resource rent. Without
          And how much, according to your calculations, should each citizen receive this "natural rent" per year?
        8. bistrov.
          bistrov. 17 February 2021 12: 09
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Novel! Thank you for the article.

          Who do you thank ...? This hack bought by the enemies of Russia? Who hasn’t hammered a single nail in his life?
      3. bober1982
        bober1982 14 February 2021 08: 32
        -13%
        Quote: kepmor
        they took to the streets ... and it pleases ...

        - when the night lights swing,
        and the dark street is dangerous for you to walk,
        I'm coming from the pub ...
        .............................................................
        - I sit on a bunk like a king on a name day,
        and I dream of getting a ration of gray.
      4. Egoza
        Egoza 14 February 2021 09: 33
        +20
        Quote: kepmor
        the worse the life of the population, the stronger the insanity of the authorities ...

        Some kind of strange insanity turns out - they strive to wrap everything in favor of the top. But it seems to me that it is envy at the top that says (that's how much they do not scold I.V. Stalin and the USSR, but people still remember it well) and fear that people will still rise and return to socialism.
    2. mark1
      mark1 14 February 2021 08: 06
      +7
      Quote: Proton
      Many people did not protest for the sake of the cheeky clown,

      but it turned out that it seemed like for the sake of a clown ... So on someone else's hump into heaven and enter ...
      1. mark1
        mark1 14 February 2021 08: 20
        +2
        Everyone is messing about something about his own, and together we do a common cause ... yes, gentlemen?
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 21
        +36
        Quote: mark1
        So on someone else's hump into paradise and enter

        I wonder where paradise is then? SIZO? Jail?
        1. mark1
          mark1 14 February 2021 08: 25
          +8
          I am for the fact that heaven would be in heaven, and on earth a normal life without demons and devils.
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 18: 27
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          I wonder where paradise is then? SIZO? Jail?

          Sylvester! Greetings! Then Andrei Karaulov made an assumption, according to the fate of Navalny, who knew in advance what he might expect upon his return to Russia and still went. I don’t think that the “systemic brave men”, who write here as a carbon copy, were able to repeat his step.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 50
            -4
            Quote: ROSS 42
            who knew in advance what he might expect upon his return to Russia and nevertheless went

            Who asked him? Is it badly needed in Germany? For that he was sent, that they knew how the matter would end.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 30
              +24
              Quote: Dart2027
              Who asked him? Is it badly needed in Germany?

              Did Merkel tell you?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 32
                -2
                Quote: Silvestr
                You Merkel

                I don't know who organized a circus there with alleged poisoning.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 04
                  +23
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  with alleged poisoning.

                  so give his clothes for analysis! Why don't you give, are you afraid? If you get screwed, admit it. If there are skiers in all structures, then where do you get smart. There are a lot of examples of system degradation.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: Overlock
                    so give his clothes for analysis!

                    Who's corpse? The person who is poisoned with combat agents does not survive.
                    Quote: Overlock
                    If you get screwed, admit it.

                    Who! Riot organizers?
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 30
            +22
            Quote: ROSS 42
            "Systemic brave men", writing here as a carbon copy, were able to repeat his step.

            Greetings! Their intestines are thin request They would be a flock and one
      3. kit88
        kit88 14 February 2021 10: 22
        +12
        Just wondering. In our 150 millionth country, there are no people willing to become President?
        All I see is that the people are really tired of this stagnation. The real leader of the real opposition, riding these protest sentiments, can enter the Kremlin already in the first round of elections, if, of course, the elections are really fair.
        Why is there no Leader? A normal, patriot, without ties with Washington and without utopian ideas of restoring the Union, the Russian Empire and the Khazar Kaganate?
        Yes, the same Poklonskaya - the former Prosecutor in the wake of the fight against corruption could ...
        But no. Everyone is silent. Everyone at the top is happy with everything. Only the clowns from the Berlin clinics make a big top.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 14 February 2021 12: 31
          +14
          As soon as such a leader appears, they will immediately sew a case like Kirovles.
          Is it really incomprehensible?
          The political clearing in Russia must be mowed down to the last blade of grass, so that no one can compete with the leader of the nation.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 55
          0
          Poklonskaya - Former Prosecutor
          cute and cute, with a king in her head ... in both senses! Chur .. everyone, from such "Emperresses" in the Kremlin ... belay
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 18: 34
          +4
          Quote: kit88
          Just wondering. In our 150 millionth country, there are no people willing to become President?

          N.N. Platoshkin wanted to become the president of Russia. (has been under house arrest since June 4). Grudinin P.N. took part in the presidential race in 2018 (the company is at the stage of bankruptcy). Bondarenko N.N. did not deny this possibility, but expressed a desire to compete in the elections to the State Duma in a single-mandate constituency in Saratov with the speaker of the State Duma, Mr. Volodin (he appeared before law enforcement agencies on charges of organizing the seizure of the police station; got off with a fine of 5 rubles) ...
          It is fraught in our country to express a desire to become president. Here even Dom-2 was closed, because Sobchak ... laughing wassat Joke...
          1. clerk
            clerk 15 February 2021 19: 59
            -4
            Thieving collective farmer Grudinkin and a couple of homeless people - presidential candidates? How is it necessary to hate Russia in order to seriously offer such an alternative?
            1. Drugov
              Drugov 17 February 2021 02: 49
              +1
              Well, of course, it's better to head the club and his gym buddies. These are worthy candidates. Remind Putin who dragged Putin to the throne by family name? And these same parasites made it so that Grudinin suddenly became a thief. Can you even see anything further than your nose?
              1. clerk
                clerk 18 February 2021 15: 00
                -1
                The head of the club is a distant youth. Yeltsin promoted the presidency not to the head of the club, but to the prime ministers, previously the former director of the FSB, KRU, etc. And your beloved Grudinkin - he is still the chairman of the collective farm. Not to mention a couple of street bums (I don't remember their names).
    3. common man
      common man 14 February 2021 09: 26
      -11%
      Quote: Proton
      Already tired of the lies rushing from many media.

      One might think that only in Russia the media lie and campaign for "power." In the rest of the "democratic" and not-so-so countries, everyone is free to debate the powerful, and the authorities welcome this. And oppositional demonstrations are not dispersed, but, on the contrary, protected. And accounts are not blocked, but broadcast on large screens.
      Power is everywhere "power". And first of all he loves himself. And you don't have to be holier than the Pope. Others will come and it will be the same.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 14 February 2021 11: 31
        -10%
        Quote: man in the street
        Power is everywhere "power". And first of all he loves himself. And you don't have to be holier than the Pope. Others will come and it will be the same.

        And some live in a fantasy world.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 14 February 2021 15: 58
        -1
        And you don't have to be holier than the Pope. Others will come and it will be the same.
        maybe it should be - "Lighter" !? And not to allow the arrival of others, so as not to create historical spirals for their children, especially when people go to the elections thoughtlessly ticking the boxes, with a slight movement of their hand ...
  • Van 16
    Van 16 14 February 2021 05: 46
    +26
    "Who there wanted" back to the USSR "?

    I would like to.
    And the article is good, everything to the point.
    1. aars
      aars 14 February 2021 10: 03
      +6
      Everyone would like ...
      Even those who did not live under the USSR ...
  • Deck
    Deck 14 February 2021 05: 46
    +38
    The USSR had a great style, scope, scale, if you like. With all the shortcomings. There was a clear policy and goal. There was Power. The country could speak in a whisper and they heard it, but now there is some kind of screeching from a courtyard boy. It is enough to look at Gromyko's polished speeches in correct literary Russian and this couple: Lavrov and Zakharova
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 22
      +41
      Quote: Deck
      this couple: Lavrov and Zakharova

      laughing
      If there is no strong economy, then what kind of politics is there?
      1. Deck
        Deck 14 February 2021 08: 40
        +27
        Why a strong economy. The thing is harmful under the current government. Business and government transparency, political activity and fair elections, courts that command respect. And how to steal with everything? Half of my neighbors are police colonels, customs officers, prosecutors, and district administration officials. In the parking lot of the Porsche da Lexus. Why do they need this strong economy? To live on one salary? It's easier to hire paid trolls who will tell you at all sites that the retirement age was raised because of the CIA and Navalny.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 32
          +22
          Quote: Deck
          Half of my neighbors are police colonels, customs officers, prosecutors, and district administration officials. In the Porsche parking lot

          And how long can this system exist? Reproduction of consumers. Hurry, the krantik would be blocked, maybe the colonels will remain without dough
          1. Deck
            Deck 14 February 2021 21: 55
            +1
            Hurry, the krantik would be blocked, maybe the colonels will remain without the dough


            Will not stay. The slogan of the day is "people are new oil". Someone has to fumble in your pockets. So as not to hide an extra soldo in your pocket.
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 14 February 2021 09: 20
        +14
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Deck
        this couple: Lavrov and Zakharova

        laughing
        If there is no strong economy, then what kind of politics is there?

        Our policy, the most "correct", is bourgeois, and the economy only corresponds to such a policy:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4_ogOx6YZg
        The main thing is that there is no smell of communism fellow
        By the way, as I see it, the Soviet economy was destined to finish off with such a policy without carpet bombing, only on December 16, 2011, during the 8th Ministerial Conference in Geneva, when the Russian Federation was dragged into the WTO.
        Now even galoshes of Soviet quality can be found only at rare flea markets.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: Deck
      The USSR had a great style, scope, scale, if you like.

      There was one important feature in the USSR, which the world working community applauded - there was no cruel exploitation of man by man for personal gain!
      yes
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 14 February 2021 05: 46
    +7
    The author is clearly not indifferent to the president, as many as 9 times he referred to his love for Putin and dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! lol
    1. aars
      aars 14 February 2021 10: 04
      -2
      This is the specificity of this site.
  • Destiny
    Destiny 14 February 2021 05: 49
    +46
    Who there wanted "back to the USSR"?

    Well I wanted it because the Soviet Union was a country
    with pronounced signs of a welfare state.

    The advantages of the socialist system many times exceeded all the disadvantages of the Soviet system for ordinary working people of the country.
    1. prapor55
      prapor55 14 February 2021 06: 08
      +20
      Even Mr. Kisenger admitted that the collapse of the USSR is America's greatest crime. I also wish to return.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 14 February 2021 07: 39
        +5
        Quote: prapor55
        Even Mr. Kisenger admitted that the collapse of the USSR is America's greatest crime. I also wish to return.

        I would not like to upset you, but "Mr. Kissinger's confession" is just a fake published on the satirical site panorama.pub back in October 2018:

        hi
        1. prapor55
          prapor55 14 February 2021 11: 05
          -2
          You know, I have not read this resource, but I learned this fact from the Besogon program. hi
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 14 February 2021 11: 19
            +3
            Quote: prapor55
            You know, I have not read this resource, but I learned this fact from the transfer of Karaulov. hi

            I recall an old joke.
            - Hello, I would not want to upset you, but your wife yesterday at the corporate party got so strong that she danced on the table in her underwear.
            - What are you talking about !? She doesn't even take it in her mouth!
            - And again I have to upset you ...

            So, I have to disappoint you again. Besogon misled you.
            Now, you know the truth. But did it make it easier for you? hi
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 14 February 2021 11: 30
              +2
              But there is another American, the author is not fake:
              The main thing that let us down was the colossal gap between the rhetoric of the reformers and their real actions ... And it seems to me that the Russian leadership surpassed the most fantastic ideas of the Marxists about capitalism: they considered that the state's business was to serve a narrow circle of capitalists, pumping into their pockets as much money as possible and sooner. This is not shock therapy. This is a malicious, deliberate, well-thought-out action, aimed at a large-scale redistribution of wealth in the interests of a narrow circle of people


              This phrase belongs to one of the developers of the "shock therapy" policy in Russia, Jeffrey Sachs. From autumn 1991 to January 1994, he was the head of a group of economic advisers to Russian President Boris Yeltsin. In 1998, Sachs negatively assessed a number of actions of the Russian reformers, and he was struck by the greed and arrogance of the new government.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 14 February 2021 11: 41
                -3
                Quote: Konnick
                ... In 1998, Sachs negatively assessed a number of actions of the Russian reformers, he was amazed at the greed and impudence of the new government.

                Knowing this, what did you do there for 23 (twenty-three!) Years, let me ask you. What did you personally do to change the situation? Or are you just stating a fact?
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 14 February 2021 12: 14
                  +2
                  What did you do? He worked and since 96 did not go to the polls, as he was an observer at those "elections". I do not recognize this authority, but I can show the results of my work to children and grandchildren, and I am sure that almost everyone from the forum saw these results, and some even used them. What did you do? Did they build Putin's palace? I have friends who were involved in this, but they found out about this later.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 14 February 2021 15: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Konnick
                    What did you do?

                    The country is seething, swaying,
                    Noises, fights, drinks,
                    She puts up with herself
                    She spits in herself.
                    And I'm not gloating
                    And I don't sing glory.
                    I do not participate in this,
                    I just drink beer ... (c)
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 14 February 2021 07: 40
        -32%
        Quote: Destiny
        Well I wanted it because the Soviet Union
        Quote: prapor55
        I also wish to return.

        Which USSR do you want to return to:
        - Lenin-Trotsky: Russians are brushwood in the fire of the World Revolution;
        - Stalin: "We were born to make a fairy tale come true";
        - Khrushchev: slush;
        - Brezhnev: degradation;
        - Gorbacheva: shootout ...

        Do you understand why Navalny behaves so brazenly in court? He hopes that a coup d'état will be accomplished by the fall, and he, as a prisoner, is counting on a grain place in the new leadership of the country.

        All these "flashlights", whether they understand it or not (because in any state, under any government, there will always be reasons for dissatisfaction), they work just for this coup, for a return to the 90s, so that Navalny became a president and, like a Bandera in his heart, he will hand over the country with giblets to his masters, as Zelensky is doing.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 26
          +47
          Quote: Boris55
          All these "flashlights", whether they understand it or not (because in any state, under any government, there will always be reasons for dissatisfaction), they work precisely for this coup, for a return to the 90s,

          Well this is what kind of country they built in 20 years, if it falls apart from flashlights laughing
          The population loves the leader and everyone will come out together to defend the authorities, well, just like in the Union. When power becomes ridiculous, it will fall from the flashlight. Or do you prefer power on blood?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 14 February 2021 08: 31
            -22%
            Quote: Silvestr
            Well this is what kind of country they built in 20 years, if it falls apart from flashlights

            USSR on your vigorous bombs destroyed? The color revolutions changed the power in the countries in a different way than we plan to do?

            Quote: Silvestr
            Or do you prefer power on blood?

            Yanukovych did not plant "a hundred," thousands died as a result. Do you want that?

            Yes, now in our country there are about two hundred conflict situations along the borders of the regions. Can you imagine what will happen if the power in Moscow is shaken? These and other borders will begin to write with the blood of our children, incl. and those who now just go out with flashlights to shine.

            ps
            Start playing chess. They teach you to think at least a couple of moves ahead.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 26
              +18
              what will happen if the power in Moscow is shaken

              Maybe - start a chess game with an analysis of the reasons, and why, in fact, is this power staggering?
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 39
              +24
              Quote: Boris55
              USSR on your vigorous bombs destroyed?

              Have you saved?
              Quote: Boris55
              Yanukovych did not plant "a hundred," thousands died as a result. Do you want that?

              And how many supporters of Yanukovych went to AntiMaidan? Not at all. Yes, even a thousand he put an end to it was predetermined, he stole and pinched the people. Therefore, they did not marry for AntiMaidan, there was no faith in the blue thief
              Quote: Boris55
              Yes, now in our country there are about two hundred conflict situations along the borders of the regions.

              But what about the successes of diplomacy? Breakthroughs? Are you not to blame for a lot?
              Quote: Boris55
              Can you imagine what will happen if the power in Moscow is shaken?

              She won't just stagger! Power on deception and promises, on one person, cannot be stable.
              Quote: Boris55
              Start playing chess. They teach you to think at least a couple of moves ahead.

              You can see the lessons of Grandmaster Ostap Bender
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 52
                -6
                Quote: Silvestr
                Power on deception and promises, on one person, cannot be stable.

                The entire USSR was supported by one person.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 36
                  +23
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The entire USSR was supported by one person.

                  How many now?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 33
                    -5
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    How many now?

                    Putin and his group, whom you hate so much. However, you are not trying to argue about the USSR.
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 08
                      +21
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Putin and his group,

                      how does this group differ from the Central Committee of the CPSU? By what is more venal? 200 billion for external expansion in 20 years! NOT cuckoo? And about personal states, no words. What did Stalin, Brezhnev and Suslov die with? What did they leave behind? Take the trouble to study the issue, otherwise it somehow smells like
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 19
                        -2
                        Quote: Overlock
                        how does this group differ from the Central Committee of the CPSU?

                        They have no plans to surrender the country, unlike your CPSU, which sold out as world history simply did not know.
                        Quote: Overlock
                        What did Stalin, Brezhnev and Suslov die with? What did they leave behind?

                        A ruined country.
            3. New Year day
              New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 35
              +23
              Quote: Boris55
              Start playing chess.

              Such a book is "The Grand Chessboard". So its author, the grandmaster, described everything and he succeeds. And his opponents only in "Chapaya" seem to know how to play
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 14 February 2021 08: 49
          +5
          would Navalny become the president

          Yours is not true. Navalny is fighting not for his presidency, but for fair elections, for free media, for an independent court.
          And in general, Alexei is a very courageous man: his brother is in prison, his only apartment is under arrest, he has been levied claims for tens of millions, he has not been allowed to register his party 10 times already, his FBK branches are being smashed all over the country, but he does not give up. Who else from the opposition in Russia has such courage?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 14 February 2021 09: 11
            -21%
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            for fair elections, for free media, for an independent court.

            That is, he is a fighter against everything bad, for everything good? laughing
            Listen to this one, he is also against everything bad and for everything good:



            How did it end, remember?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 14 February 2021 09: 28
              +25
              Remember how it ended - the current guarantor of the Yeltsin Center in Eburga has given him the rent, and this year a branch in Moscow is planned.
          2. qQQQ
            qQQQ 14 February 2021 09: 47
            -11%
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Yours is not true. Navalny is fighting not for his presidency, but for fair elections, for free media, for an independent court.

            I have not seen a more incompetent (I tried very politely) comment. It would be funny if it were not so sad, the effect of modern education. Our children have learned to think and analyze.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 14 February 2021 13: 10
              +5
              If you're smart enough, write a competent comment.
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 14 February 2021 19: 21
                -1
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                If you're smart enough, write a competent comment.

                Already wrote, see. higher.
            2. Aag
              Aag 14 February 2021 22: 10
              +2
              Quote: qqqq
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Yours is not true. Navalny is fighting not for his presidency, but for fair elections, for free media, for an independent court.

              I have not seen a more incompetent (I tried very politely) comment. It would be funny if it were not so sad, the effect of modern education. Our children have learned to think and analyze.

              Judging by the minuses hung on you, everything is not just sad, but already alarming, .. scary ... It turns out that a significant part of the audience, for the most part, with not the worst education, of a completely patriotic site admits the idea that the next leader can become Bulk ?! On other plots, in general, tin.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 February 2021 22: 34
                -3
                Quote: AAG
                Judging by the minuses hung on you, everything is not just sad, but already alarming, ... scary ...

                I wonder how many of them are bots. Several people are being drowned on the site for Navalny, and the Communists, moreover.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 14 February 2021 23: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Quote: AAG
                  Judging by the minuses hung on you, everything is not just sad, but already alarming, ... scary ...

                  I wonder how many of them are bots. Several people are being drowned on the site for Navalny, and the Communists, moreover.

                  I do not agree that the communists.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 21
                    0
                    Svarog, Lexus - just for the USSR. It's just that they are ready, even with the devil, but against Putin, and since it is unrealistic to withdraw the youths under Soviet slogans, they are drowned for what they have, that is, for Navalny. I know such people in life.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 11
                +26
                Quote: AAG
                a significant part of the audience, for the most part, with not the worst education, of a completely patriotic site, admits the idea that Navalny can become the next leader?

                It won't, don't worry. But the fact that he breaks down the imperious wall, showing her insides - pleases many. How is it with Govorukhin- "You can't live like that anymore"
                1. Aag
                  Aag 15 February 2021 10: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Overlock
                  Quote: AAG
                  a significant part of the audience, for the most part, with not the worst education, of a completely patriotic site, admits the idea that Navalny can become the next leader?

                  It won't, don't worry. But the fact that he breaks down the imperious wall, showing her insides - pleases many. How is it with Govorukhin- "You can't live like that anymore"

                  Something suggests that the whole house will collapse along with the wall ... (
                  Before breaking something, it is worth deciding what and how we will build.
              3. qQQQ
                qQQQ 15 February 2021 09: 41
                +1
                Quote: AAG
                Judging by the minuses hung on you, everything is not just sad, but already alarming, .. scary ... It turns out that a significant part of the audience, for the most part, with not the worst education, of a completely patriotic site admits the idea that the next leader can become Bulk ?! On other plots, in general, tin.

                I think that these disadvantages are far from an indicator, work is underway on the other side of the Internet, but again, these disadvantages are dust that should not be paid attention to. But with young people, not everything is so bad, I was personally convinced. Of all those with whom I and my friends talked, and there are not a few of them, only one spoke in favor of supporting Navalny, all the rest, and there are several dozen of them, were even offended that I made such a thought. Children from 16 to 25 years old.
              4. Igoresha
                Igoresha 15 February 2021 15: 26
                -2
                that Navalny could become the next leader
                the current leader is nowhere to be discredited, and Navalny is clean and bright, no one will believe about Kirovles and Yves Rocher, with veteran N., of course, he got into trouble, but no one canceled Mannegrame's board
          3. Icarus
            Icarus 14 February 2021 13: 19
            0
            [quote = Fan-Fan] [quote] would Navalny become a president [/ quote]
            [quote] Navalny is not fighting for his presidency, [/ quote]
            Your lies. Navalny has announced more than once that he intends to fight for the presidency, and it is for this, in his words, that he is being pressed most of all. But in essence, he does not advocate a radical change of the existing system of power. Otherwise I agree with you.
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 14 February 2021 16: 01
          -2
          they are working just for this coup, for a return to the 90s, for the fact that Navalny would become the president
          in the 90s, he would not have lasted a month in freedom, his own would have been overwhelmed on vacation in Kaliningrad together with his wife, or his "girls" as he himself liked to call them ...
      3. for
        for 14 February 2021 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: prapor55
        that the collapse of the USSR is America's greatest crime

        And what about Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their teams, perhaps the Americans. America was more beneficial to the USSR, such a big and fat enemy of the USSR. The USA is more profitable than today's Russia. Russia and the USA will wither away without a fight, this is doping.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 24
      +13
      And I wanted to. Moreover, being a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, I believe that it is my civil and human duty to make every effort to restore my Motherland, destroyed by the ghouls, as soon as possible.
    3. Elturisto
      Elturisto 14 February 2021 12: 56
      +4
      What a true remark, people in the USSR have been languishing in retirement since the age of 60, the damned scoops did not let them work, or wait, you can work up to 65, that's great truth!
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 14 February 2021 05: 55
    +15
    Newsstand. Customer:
    - Is there really?
    - There is no truth
    - And Russia?
    - All sold. There is Labor for 3 kopecks.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 14 February 2021 07: 46
      -33%
      These anecdotes and others like it led the USSR to shootout and collapse.
      Do you want to destroy Russia?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 27
        +42
        Quote: Boris55
        These anecdotes and others like it led the USSR to shootout and collapse.
        Do you want to destroy Russia?

        You have a perversion! But the logic is clear! You need to steal and lie less
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 14 February 2021 08: 38
          -23%
          Quote: Silvestr
          You have a perversion!

          First - thought, then - action. We act as we think. As he does, so we live, but we live as we think. Anecdotes shape our thinking on a subconscious level.

          ps
          Do you want to be in the USSR, If so, which one (see above)?
          1. victor50
            victor50 14 February 2021 09: 03
            +19
            Quote: Boris55
            Anecdotes shape our thinking on a subconscious level.

            Immediately equate to flashlights! And forbid laughter! laughing
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 14 February 2021 09: 14
              -25%
              Quote: victor50
              Immediately equate to flashlights! And forbid laughter!

              1. Lanterns train the crowd to disdain the law.
              2. Not a single laugh never solved a single problem, he only put it off until later, when the problem became rampant.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 43
                +20
                Lanterns train the crowd to disregard the law.

                the crowd to a disdainful attitude towards the law - the authorities themselves teach them, with enviable regularity putting a bolt on this very law. For example - brazenly ruling his own constitution to suit his own wishes ..
              2. victor50
                victor50 14 February 2021 10: 14
                +4
                Quote: Boris55
                Lanterns train the crowd to disregard the law.

                And what kind of flashlights are you now, may I ask? laughing
              3. New Year day
                New Year day 14 February 2021 20: 39
                +28
                Quote: Boris55
                Lanterns train the crowd to disregard the law.

                Not flashlights, but lawlessness in the courts, police and government
                Quote: Boris55
                Not a single laugh has ever solved a single problem

                But he shortened the life of power. Funny power is no longer power
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 40
            +25
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you want to be in the USSR, If so, which one (see above)?

            With confidence in the future and without wars on borders
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 14 February 2021 08: 50
        +17
        What kind of country is this if it falls apart from an anecdote?
      3. bk0010
        bk0010 14 February 2021 09: 51
        +14
        Quote: Boris55
        These anecdotes and others like it led the USSR to shootout and collapse.
        Nonsense. If a country is falling apart from anecdotes, then it is already dead.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 14 February 2021 06: 02
    +12
    Rhetorical article. Everything seems to be correct, but there are no conclusions other than "repetition is the mother of torment".
    Everyone agrees that it is the power that drives itself into a dead end from which there is no way out and it is impossible to go back.
    It can be assumed that this is a tactic "the worse, the better." If so, then the country is being prepared for dictatorship.
    1. maksbazhin
      maksbazhin 14 February 2021 07: 06
      +1
      Rhetorical article
      this article is rhetorical: https://topwar.ru/179871-trevozhnoe-leto-1943-go-net-2021-go.html, and this one is in contrast. And I am glad that there is a counterweight.
    2. U-58
      U-58 14 February 2021 07: 23
      -3
      Yes, I think so too.
      It is to the dictatorship.
      But who is at the head?
      The scenario is visible: a state of emergency. The guarantor cancels some guarantees. The heads of careless officials and politicians are flying.
      Under the guise of heads of prominent oppositionists.
      The people are presented with the appearance of a struggle for "justice."
      Here are just suspicions that another force may interfere in the process. What a military thread ..
      And where then this force will lead us is unknown.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 31
        +33
        Quote: U-58
        The scenario is visible: a state of emergency.

        1. U-58
          U-58 14 February 2021 08: 44
          +1
          "The rifle gives rise to power" by Mao Zedong.
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 14 February 2021 08: 52
        +10
        Don't you see the dictatorship now? Heads are already flying, but so far only with the opposition.
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 28
      +23
      Quote: ee2100
      Everything seems to be correct, but there are no conclusions other than "repetition is the mother of torment".

      The conclusion is just in the ending.
    4. Icarus
      Icarus 14 February 2021 20: 08
      0
      Quote: ee2100
      Rhetorical article. Everything seems to be correct, but there are no conclusions other than "repetition is the mother of torment".
      Everyone agrees that it is the power that drives itself into a dead end from which there is no way out and it is impossible to go back.
      It can be assumed that this is a tactic "the worse, the better." If so, then the country is being prepared for dictatorship.

      Maybe you are right. Only a dictatorship can pull the mobilization economy. And without a mobilization economy (without a strong economy) the power will not hold out. But can the government pull the dictatorship? After all, the guarantor's friends will have to be forced to fork out. Will Putin become the new Stalin (with new friend sanctions)? That's the question. But apparently it won't. Too much of a habit of making a "bang-bang", and here it is necessary to directly declare about the dictatorship and not otherwise.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 14 February 2021 21: 28
        0
        By no means did I mean VVP or someone from his entourage. It would be nice if he was an army man.
        And how it will be presented to GDP and the people is a matter of technology.
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 15 February 2021 09: 33
          0
          Quote: ee2100
          By no means did I mean VVP or someone from his entourage. It would be nice if he was an army man.
          And how it will be presented to GDP and the people is a matter of technology.


          And here: http://ooc.su/zajavlenie_soos.pdf
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 15 February 2021 10: 35
            +1
            The tendency has long been clear to all sane. And such a state cannot last long. The government also understands it, but they continue to look for internal and external enemies. Staver's article on the next branch is a vivid example of this.
            If a boil is treated only with iodine, then the probability of a generalized disease of the whole organism is high.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 February 2021 12: 00
              +1
              Quote: ee2100
              The tendency has long been clear to all sane.

              Another color revolution has failed.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 15 February 2021 12: 34
                0
                Do you call flashlights a revolution? Then it should be noted accordingly!
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 15 February 2021 12: 51
                  -1
                  Quote: ee2100
                  Do you call flashlights a revolution? Then it should be noted accordingly!

                  This whole Sabbath in general and the lanterns in particular.
                  I do not drink.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 15 February 2021 13: 00
                    0
                    Who offers a drink?
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 15 February 2021 16: 55
                      0
                      Quote: ee2100
                      who offers a drink

                      Quote: ee2100
                      this should be noted accordingly
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 15 February 2021 18: 01
                        0
                        In your opinion, "mark" means to drink something alcoholic?
                        In this case, I do not believe that you do not drink am
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 16 February 2021 11: 40
                        0
                        Quote: ee2100
                        In your opinion, "mark" means to drink something alcoholic?

                        Tradition, and I'm sitting sober. Although recently there are more nondrinkers, and 10 years ago, one was sitting at the table.
                      3. ee2100
                        ee2100 16 February 2021 11: 48
                        +1
                        That's a reason to celebrate!
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 February 2021 06: 07
    +32
    I am frankly surprised by such a bold publication on our website! Bravo.! And not because I was frankly pulled up by the wretchedness of our propaganda realities, but precisely because of the courage of criticism during the witch hunt. The generation of koekaklov entered adulthood, they did not have mentors who would explain what was good or bad (they themselves kicked them out to the backyard under the crackle of a hapka and screaming about freedom of speech), they had no education (bought a diploma in the metro), they did not desires and serve the country (take it here and yourself) they do not care for the future (I also grabbed a villa in the Canary Islands, I live there) They have no honor of conscience and dignity with respect to manage anything more difficult than a janitor's broom (and that is, hundreds of qualifications). And these people forbid us to pick our noses? (Quote from the classics). All this is sad, as well as sad for our future.
    1. Sailor
      Sailor 14 February 2021 07: 04
      +28
      I built a house 10 years ago, I pulled gas 176m, light 90m, water 115m, sewage 129m and the state did not help in any way, for that payments came immediately.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 14 February 2021 16: 09
        -1
        I built a house 10 years ago, I pulled gas 176m, light 90m, water 115m, sewage 129m and the state did not help in any way, for that payments came immediately.
        sad and not very fair !!! I have a little the other way around, I had a house - I had my own project, but with a height restriction, no more than 2 floors, the communal apartment was already stretched out and the power industry with gas, but bills and city taxes go, even to a school and a kindergarten in our area and support for an additional office rangers - rangers, to organize patrols in the nearest park-forest area, just a lot of coyotes, sometimes they attack cows, deer and even dogs ...
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 07: 56
      +4
      Quote: evgen1221
      wretchedness of our propaganda reality ... koekaklov ... it wasn’t ... explained ... the crackle of a hapka ... anything ... there are hundreds ... a quote from the classics ...

      Tell me clearly - the time has come
      What got you hot in this life of ours?
      Where is the style of the story, where are the words
      Which will make your head spin?
      I was glad to understand all your thoughts,
      But, forgive me for letting down the format ...
      Quote: evgen1221
      All this is sad, as well as sad for our future.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 14 February 2021 08: 42
        -2
        Sorry sire, the fingers are big and the keyboard on the smartphone does not increase the infection. Misklik however.))))
  • svp67
    svp67 14 February 2021 06: 12
    +37
    Who there wanted "back to the USSR"?
    Why "back"? Many want "forward to the USSR" ...
    The author's mistake is that for him the history of the USSR is that the glass that is always "half empty", but for me it is only "half full".
    There was a lot of positive things in the history of the USSR, and I would very much like their return.
    And at the expense of "propaganda", so it is present in all countries, and for the most part it is the same STUNNING.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 08: 01
      +12
      Quote: svp67
      There were a lot of positive things in the history of the USSR.

      yes Exactly. And this positive more than covers many negative and subjective moments. Agree that most of what spoiled the socialist system came from specific individuals who consider their own opinion above the collective. The most important thing in the socialist system is that the country's economy was built on the creative process, and not on speculative machinations, in which the money-changers and cunning-ass swindlers get rich.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 14 February 2021 08: 58
      +11
      Quote: svp67
      Why "back"? Many want "forward to the USSR" ...

      There are many. The potential for the development of the USSR is not exhausted ... but is it possible for Russia to develop in its present form and in its current position in the world .. I have great doubts.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 14 February 2021 09: 00
        +10
        that the country's economy at the same time was built on a creative process, and not on speculative machinations, in which the money-changers and cunning-ass swindlers are enriched.

        A man in the USSR was a creator ... not a consumer. And just such a person should be brought up by school and propaganda ...
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 14 February 2021 09: 44
          +5
          A man in the USSR was a creator ... not a consumer. And just such a person should be brought up by school and propaganda ...

          Bourgeois ??? what belay
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 14 February 2021 09: 46
            +10
            Quote: paul3390
            A man in the USSR was a creator ... not a consumer. And just such a person should be brought up by school and propaganda ...

            Bourgeois ??? what belay

            Naturally socialist .. capitalists need an uneducated herd .. which works 12 hours a day with one day off, pays mortgages all its life and does not ask unnecessary questions.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 February 2021 06: 29
    +18
    First of all, today I read "The New Procedure for Paying Utilities in 2021." Here are both penalties and fines. Penalties are clear. And the fines for what? If they provided me with gas and electricity, then it would be possible to demand from me. But all this was done in the middle of the last century. They will say, not in the subject. And there is only one theme - a flash mob. Instead of repairing the wall, mysterious drawings are painted on it with different colors. But who is uncomfortable chopping a tree is not clear to me. 30 years old. This is 1947 and 2021. You can compare.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 14 February 2021 08: 02
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      This is 1947 and 2021, you can compare.

      What about 1947? Maybe 1937?
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 15 February 2021 05: 29
        0
        Yuri Vasilievich These are the years of formation of one and the other state.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 14 February 2021 08: 33
      +28
      Quote: nikvic46
      First of all, today I read "The New Procedure for Paying Utilities in 2021." Here are both penalties and fines.

      Let me remind you that on June 1, an all-Russian increase!
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 14 February 2021 06: 30
    -12%
    As far as I understand, no one will catch and plant idiots in the courtyards with telephones - precisely because there is no article. However, as it has been repeatedly checked, the matter will not be limited to flashlights - the "mother's wagons" will again be assembled for a picture on the square, but this will already be an unauthorized rally.
    Pisi, did the author kindly mention the authorities' forgeries? Well, then we must give the floor to the other side. February 12th with a slight movement of the hand turns into the 14th:
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 14 February 2021 06: 43
      +14
      Quote: Cowbra
      As far as I understand, no one will catch and plant idiots in the courtyards with telephones - precisely because there is no article.


      But you must? Plant.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 14 February 2021 06: 59
        -24%
        On the mind it would be necessary. The fact that juvenile rams do not understand why they were collected is so good to fine them. Ancestors will pay a couple of times out of their pocket for the idiot - they will beat him with reason. But the organizers must be planted, and they planted everywhere. Organizing an illegal rally in the USA - 20, in England - 10 years. An illegal meeting is 12 people or more. And that's all - to the organizer 10, the rest to heels.
        Why do the organizers need to jail? And what is the purpose of the meeting? Anti-legal provocation, as usual. when the same anal girls gathered in England, Germany, Holland in front of the Russian embassies, they received permission to hold a rally. Is there someone submitting a permit request? So what's the goal? Well, for this, and imprisonment, in the United States is called "agitation to overthrow the legitimate government" - 20 years. Plus the organization of protests - another 20. Participation in them - another 10 years on the bunk - and complete peace of mind in the streets. According to American law. But you can also use Russian ones, then they won't be imprisoned there - again detention and a fine, if they don't start throwing themselves at the cops again
        1. evgen1221
          evgen1221 14 February 2021 07: 26
          +25
          Plant, plant and plant again? Well, with your logic, in general, the entire population of the country, 100% including young people, should be planted, otherwise they whisper in the kitchens, in queues, the boat staggers, babies in general are potential free-thinkers, they should be planted preventively. Insanity grows stronger every year. I was fined, for example, for cutting down a branch hitting a window from an old dried up poplar - however, unauthorized collection of deadwood and a gross encroachment on municipal property - and they do not care for many years of requests to hand over something with a poplar that broke the window into the wind. This is an enlightened xs, even what name to pick up without a mat. And I must love them and burn with passion for such? Dismiss!
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 14 February 2021 07: 53
            -15%
            And with your logic - you have to learn to live by concepts, not by the law. If your zhek is a fig, then let's release the thief, and the uncontrollable Banderlog that. by the way. so far, only the eyes of the drivers for the wrong number are knocked out and sent to traumatology by a flock of those who disagree with them, pulling them off the lantern - will we "understand and forgive"?
            By your logic, one day you will wake up on the Maidan and declare that I have nothing to do with it.
            The curators of these protestors, and they themselves, clearly state that they are an anti-Russian project, why should they be imprisoned? Because their goal is the destruction of this state, that's why. The rams are rams, and the organizers should sit, you are my words ... Well, how else can you put it ... Wrong. I wrote that the rams should be fined, then let the parents figure it out, but the organizers should be imprisoned without question
            1. evgen1221
              evgen1221 14 February 2021 07: 57
              +23
              Vladimir vladimirovich-Why are our prices growing? Do you see what is happening in Ukraine? But? What's going on in the world? AND..? Next question.
            2. evgen1221
              evgen1221 14 February 2021 08: 02
              +17
              Wake up on the Maidan? Well, isn't the Maidan the consequences of all the previous actions of all the authorities of Ukraine, the unrestrained deriban? (Do we have less chtoli? , and this legislation and by-laws and instructions for the same are visible smart people write? What do you answer? According to the concepts, and so all business in the Russian Federation lives, the concepts are only translated into laws, the essence is the same, you tried to do business on the periphery 100 km from large regional capitals - they drive concepts and concepts differently; go to trade with socks from the box - the realities of 30 years of vigilant care of the state for small business.
              cities even have the opportunity to do something, until the big income starts, then inevitably a sugar daddy with deputy crusts comes with a request to rewrite the business on him. Waiting for your reply?
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 14 February 2021 09: 19
                -20%
                A "paperedniki" - not the merit of the Maidan? !!! The point is that they did not have any authority for the previous responsibility - and did not bear for their actions for exactly the same reason !!! They set up a new Maidan, and that one was overthrown once again, yelling "Get out." “We are, we are nothing, all the previous government“ unrestrainedly plundered, that's why we live badly. ”And this is exactly the minus of living by concepts, not by the law! No one is responsible for anything, everything is pure by concepts.
                Did he "napar" you? And what, there is no one above them? Yes, in my neighbors' yard there is exactly the same situation - the poplar has grown up to the 9th floor, and there they have already fallen a couple of times in a storm. No, everyone sat, snot on their fist shook until the new tenant there raised a wave, well, yes. ran, immediately to the council. and a slander dashed off to the mayor's office - a week later they brought truck cranes and leveled all the poplars at the level of the 3rd floor along the line:

                Well? And what attracted you to Nekrasov, "the woodcutter's ax was heard in the forest"? Lazy mother? Write, call ... Themselves should come as soon as I say? The janitor. And since the janitor, as I am a lazy person, is Putin to blame otherwise?
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 14 February 2021 10: 18
                  +9
                  And in Russia, the authorities are responsible for their actions?
                2. evgen1221
                  evgen1221 14 February 2021 10: 51
                  +5
                  And we ran with this poplar and ran for a long time - zero reaction, but as soon as we cut down the excess ourselves, the bodies controlling and supervising the extortions appeared. Now I will have to run the same amount of time proving that I am not a ram. What a healthy minus poses to the state structure and management as a whole - I don’t write instructions. Why did we have to beg the state institution to do our job for months? money and how much they draw for themselves in payments? And then do everything yourself and for this you also get a fine. Building a fair state? -Well, apparently fair for certain categories of citizens turns out. There are many and very different questions to the authorities, but attempts to ask these questions are drowned in clichéd accusations of navalism, the State Department and other insanity. in management. Glory to the rule of law where everything is for people (which only people modestly kept silent). Maidans, of course, are a nasty thing and there is a high probability that the next go-well will emerge on the wave, but then everyone understands the vaccination of Ukraine and they will not allow idle talk, I think.
                3. Overlock
                  Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 17
                  +23
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  A "paperedniki" - not the merit of the Maidan? !!!

                  It is a pity that the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs did not live up to our days - they made up a business in their time. Or Nicholas II or Hitler! Everyone is to blame, except for the authorities. Oh yes! "The Soviet Union produced nothing but galoshes!" Well then, name a completely Russian development, and not taken from the USSR! Lives on everything Soviet for 20 years and no one is to blame
            3. bk0010
              bk0010 14 February 2021 09: 57
              +14
              Quote: Cowbra
              And with your logic - you have to learn to live by concepts, not by the law.
              By law, we cannot have uncoordinated rallies. The latest edition of Article 31 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: "Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, processions and pickets." No agreement is provided.
              Article 15 of the Constitution reads: "The Constitution of the Russian Federation has supreme legal force, direct effect and is applied throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Laws and other legal acts adopted in the Russian Federation must not contradict the Constitution of the Russian Federation."
              No laws can require approval.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 February 2021 11: 33
                -6
                Quote: bk0010
                No agreement is provided.

                As well as his absence. Any mass event is a process that affects many people and creates the risk of the outbreak of serious disorder.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 14 February 2021 12: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Like his absence
                  The absence is just stipulated: article 55, part 2 "In the Russian Federation, laws must not be issued that abolish or diminish the rights and freedoms of man and citizen." The requirement to obtain permission to hold a meeting clearly limits the right enshrined in Article 31 of the Constitution.
                  1. Cowbra
                    Cowbra 14 February 2021 12: 30
                    -8
                    Enough already. And then, according to you, if it says "they have the right to gather peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, processions and pickets", then if I was impatient to hold a "peaceful meeting" at 2 am you are in the bedroom, then everyone should be saluted and swept out of the indicated rooms - my Excellency will deign to walk!
                    Bullshit. You have the right. Need a meeting? apply, you will be allocated an area. And you have every right to gather or not to gather - your rights are not violated in any way. but this does not mean at all that you will be given a place at the Manezhka, if only because it will prevent buyers from entering the shopping arcade, where shops pay non-acidic money to the budget specifically for rent - and do not want profits to fall due to the fact that the pack the pimply "ginger-haired wanderers" were bred to shine a flashlight. Or block the highway - and do not care ambulances, firemen, public transport.
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 14 February 2021 14: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Cowbra
                      then if I was impatient at 2 am to hold a "peaceful meeting" in the vault of the Diamond Fund or in your bedroom
                      Not. They, too, are protected by the respective packs of the constitution, like property or housing.
                      Quote: Cowbra
                      apply, you will be allocated an area
                      So they don’t single out, and the official is not responsible for it.
                      Quote: Cowbra
                      but this does not mean at all that you will be given a place at Manezhka
                      And why are they singled out for edristni at Manezhka, despite the shops?
                      1. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 14 February 2021 19: 09
                        -4
                        "And the most interesting thing about this lie is," said Woland, "that it is a lie from the first to the last word."
                        And they gave Manezhka to the bulk. for example, on December 30, 2015, and they were given a platform for their first whining, but they didn't go there ... and the liar himself. It's downright insulting
                      2. bk0010
                        bk0010 14 February 2021 20: 33
                        -1
                        Quote: Cowbra
                        And they gave Manezhka to the bulk. e.g. December 30, 2015
                        I am very glad that you yourself brought this fact. Now, explain what happened to the interests of Manezhka's tenants then, why then they were not protected, and now they are so stubbornly protected? How can this be explained, apart from bureaucratic arbitrariness?
                        Quote: Cowbra
                        and they were given a platform for the first whining recently, but they did not go there ...
                        Vooot. A rally is a legitimate peaceful way to shout to the government, to hint that there are still problems in the country, besides the roughness of the languages ​​of court sycophants. What is the point of holding them where the government cannot hear?
                      3. Hunter 2
                        Hunter 2 14 February 2021 20: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: bk0010
                        What's the point of holding them where the government can't hear?

                        Draw a transporant, call the press and hold a meeting at the entrance (with coffee in a thermos and sandwiches), no approvals are needed ...
                        Only if, trying to exercise Your Rights, you will violate Others (Mine) by blocking the roadway ... I'm not Our Good State, I'll just smash your face, unfortunately - I'll spend the evening at the police department with you ... that's where we'll talk.
                      4. Overlock
                        Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 21
                        +20
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Draw a transporant, call the press and hold a meeting at the entrance (with coffee in a thermos and sandwiches), no approvals are needed ...

                        Have you read the constitution and by-laws?
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        I'll just smash your face

                        Be prepared for the same. The gun won't help you
                      5. bk0010
                        bk0010 14 February 2021 23: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        no approvals needed ...
                        Need to. Now even for a flashlight from home they threaten.
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        I'll just smash your face
                        Are you sure you can handle it?
            4. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2021 12: 33
              -2
              Quote: bk0010
              The absence is just foreseen

              Is it? Nobody canceled the rights, but it does not follow from this that you can do whatever you want.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Any mass event is a process that affects many people and creates the risk of serious riots.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 14 February 2021 23: 19
            +21
            Quote: Dart2027
            Any mass event is a process that affects many people and creates the risk of serious disturbances.

            These are the problems of administrations! According to the Constitution of the rally, power notified, and the authorities must organize the absence of problems. And if the power cannot or does not want to, then what kind of power is it!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 22
              +2
              Quote: Overlock
              According to the Constitution, the authorities are notified about the rally, and the authorities must organize the absence of problems.

              So she organizes - hold a meeting where you do not interfere with anyone and then when you do not interfere.
  • saigon
    saigon 14 February 2021 07: 32
    +5
    It is always easier to plant it, but with young rams you have a mistake on the side of many, but what the youth are maximalists they need here and now there is nothing you can do about it with bans and riot police here you cannot cope.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 14 February 2021 07: 57
      -11%
      For rams - fine is enough. They are rams. If it is expensive, they will find themselves a new gate
  • Svarog
    Svarog 14 February 2021 09: 02
    +14
    But you must? Plant.

    According to the mind, it would be necessary

    Is there a mind?
  • Lars971a
    Lars971a 14 February 2021 12: 08
    +4
    Quote: Cowbra
    On the mind it would be necessary. The fact that juvenile rams do not understand why they were collected is so good to fine them. Ancestors will pay a couple of times out of their pocket for the idiot - they will beat him with reason. But the organizers must be planted, and they planted everywhere. Organizing an illegal rally in the USA - 20, in England - 10 years. An illegal meeting is 12 people or more. And that's all - to the organizer 10, the rest to heels.
    Why do the organizers need to jail? And what is the purpose of the meeting? Anti-legal provocation, as usual. when the same anal girls gathered in England, Germany, Holland in front of the Russian embassies, they received permission to hold a rally. Is there someone submitting a permit request? So what's the goal? Well, for this, and imprisonment, in the United States is called "agitation to overthrow the legitimate government" - 20 years. Plus the organization of protests - another 20. Participation in them - another 10 years on the bunk - and complete peace of mind in the streets. According to American law. But you can also use Russian ones, then they won't be imprisoned there - again detention and a fine, if they don't start throwing themselves at the cops again

    Everyone should be imprisoned, everyone should be fined and what will we end up with, one part of the population will sit, the other will protect them? It is necessary to eliminate the reasons why people go out to the street to hold a meeting. The country still has no ideology, we have lost our youth.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2021 12: 32
      -3
      Quote: Lars971A
      Imprison everyone, fine everyone, and where do we come

      Given the number of these juvenile rams and their organizers, there is no need to come to anything.
    2. Cowbra
      Cowbra 14 February 2021 13: 59
      -9
      Quote: Lars971A
      It is necessary to eliminate the reasons

      Exactly! To plant provocateurs whose job is to fool dull-witted jerks for the purpose of personal financial enrichment. Since the customers, the employers of the provocateurs are not in our jurisdiction. And who are our provocateurs for the purpose of personal enrichment?
  • Drugov
    Drugov 17 February 2021 03: 27
    0
    We submit a request to hold a rally in accordance with Federal Law 54 in support of Platoshkin every month. Voice the result or guess yourself?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 03: 33
      0
      Quote: Drugov
      Voice the result or guess yourself?

      No way! What are you, piled up, completely morose?
      1. Drugov
        Drugov 17 February 2021 03: 46
        +1
        Well, something like that))) and interestingly, the answer from the administration comes after a call from the police.
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 14 February 2021 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: Cowbra
    Well, then we must give the floor to the other side.

    Yes, we are all the same, but we all have propaganda, and as a rule, people are engaged in it for career (financial) reasons, and therefore it does not smell like competence.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 13: 01
    +23
    Quote: Cowbra
    that idiots in yards with telephones - no one will catch and imprison

    This is exactly what they will do
  • tasha
    tasha 14 February 2021 06: 47
    0
    Words seem to be lost. The phrase is completely incomprehensible. We should fix it.
    because the built oligarchic totalitarian state is the Russian Federation and the Soviet Union, which, although it was also totalitarian, but at least with pronounced signs of a welfare state.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 06: 52
    -17%
    It is better for the author to write about how the current communists help the navalnists even on this site, despite the fact that they admit that he is an agent of the State Department.
    Tell me who your friend is ...
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 14 February 2021 08: 06
      +16
      Quote: Dart2027
      current communists help navalnists even on this site
      Is it bad or what? lol This is a long overdue topic, which many members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the same Bondarenko, the same Stupin, are talking about. It is the future unification of opposition forces that will help change the situation in the country.

      Quote: Dart2027
      despite the fact that they admit that he is an agent of the State Department.
      Who will admit? Zyuganov? Zyuganov is not the whole of the Communist Party.
      Quote: Dart2027
      Tell me who your friend is ...
      You remember the property of propagandists, top managers and family members of many officials in Europe and the same decaying United States, then you will talk about friends and who is the State Department agent.
      1. U-58
        U-58 14 February 2021 08: 42
        +7
        And then. Comrade On the way to achieving his (and people's) goals, Lenin always made compromises, entered into coalitions at various stages with forces that could help in the struggle.
        There was also the German General Staff, with whom they agreed to travel to Russia (practically under arrest), there were the Left SRs in 1917-1919, it was also Makhno during the liberation of Crimea. It happened many more times.
        But the main thing: the goals were achieved.
        And after that, during the war, we did not disdain to take Bulgaria and Romania - the recent satellites of Germany - as allies, just to defeat the enemy as soon as possible.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 February 2021 09: 52
          -18%
          Quote: U-58
          And then. Comrade On the way to achieving his (and people's) goals, Lenin always made compromises, entered into coalitions with the forces at different stages

          Simply put, he was a liar and an intriguer who was ready to stick a knife in the back of anyone he no longer needed.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 14 February 2021 12: 52
            +14
            Whether it's your beloved king. A stuttering, shy, totally addicted person who turns out to be useful to some important people at a certain point in time. Here is a role model.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 14
              -5
              Quote: Greenwood
              Is it a matter of your adored king

              Who did not throw mud at the same Sobchak, although he could very easily increase his rating with this.
              Quote: Greenwood
              Stuttering, shy, totally addicted person

              Which very well prescribed to some very important people, which your party could not do.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 14 February 2021 13: 48
                +8
                Quote: Dart2027
                Who did not throw mud at the same Sobchak, although he could very easily increase his rating with this.
                Sobchak was one of those who recommended Putin to Yeltsin. If Putin had not squatted in front of these people, he would have remained a second-rate official or would have gone under criminal charges in a well-known case, forcibly closed exactly during his inauguration.
                Quote: Dart2027
                Which very well prescribed to some very important people
                And how many important people appeared after that, Forbes alone knows. In the 90s, there were fewer billionaires than there were under Putin. Several dozen families have virtually concentrated all industries in their hands. This is a very honest and legally transparent mechanism, isn't it?
                Quote: Dart2027
                which your party could not do.
                Not yet evening. What Zyuganov could not do, new generations will do. Fortunately, there are such.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 37
                  -8
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Sobchak was one of those who recommended Putin to Yeltsin.

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Who did not throw mud at the same Sobchak, although he could very easily increase his rating with this.

                  Don't argue with that?
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  And how many important people appeared after that

                  Something I do not observe the new seven-bank.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  This is a very honest and legally transparent mechanism.

                  Which is ubiquitous all over the world. That is life.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  What Zyuganov could not do, new generations will do.

                  Bulk or what? So they hate your USSR.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 14 February 2021 13: 06
            +27
            Quote: Dart2027
            was a liar and a schemer who was ready to stick a knife in the back of anyone he no longer needed.

            How is it different from fanatical devotion to your friends, even to the detriment of the country? Do you know what they are?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 15
              -10%
              Quote: Silvestr
              from fanatical devotion to his friends even to the detriment of the country

              Is the damage caused by Rotenberg building unique bridges?
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 14 February 2021 13: 52
                +9
                Quote: Dart2027
                that Rotenberg builds unique bridges?
                There are dozens and hundreds of such bridges in any Asian country. And something tells me that the cost of the bridge could be significantly lower if the contractor were, for example, the Chinese.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 13: 55
                  +7
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  that the cost of the bridge could be significantly lower if the contractor were, for example, the Chinese.

                  And they offered it cheaper. Two times, as far as I remember. They refused.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 42
                    -6
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    And they offered it cheaper. Two times, as far as I remember.

                    They offered themselves as investors and then refused.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 15: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      , and then refused.

                      Yes figs there, they were not allowed.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 February 2021 16: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Yes figs there, they were not allowed.

                        Did you attend this?
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 16: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Did you attend this?

                        Listen, Dart, this has been written about. And not so long ago. So I wonder all the time, why do people have such a short memory?
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Listen, Dart, this has been written about. And not so long ago.

                        I did not come across. And, by the way, wrote for an hour to Navalny?
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And, by the way, wrote for an hour to Navalny?

                        No, not Navalny.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 58
                        -2
                        And who, I would like to see.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 07: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And who, I would like to see.

                        Arguments and facts were written, as far as I remember.
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 15 February 2021 10: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Arguments and facts wrote

                        I tried to find something and nothing comes out. Most likely one of the rumors that went around then.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 41
      -2
      Quote: Greenwood
      There are dozens and hundreds of such bridges in any Asian country.

      Well, show me hundreds of bridges across the sea, I'll take a look.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 30
    +21
    Quote: Dart2027
    Is the damage caused by Rotenberg building unique bridges?

    Builds personally? It's good to create another idol. It was built by a simple hard worker for our taxes. Now, if your sidekick built a bridge for his own money and personally, then you +. But for now -.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 55
      -3
      Quote: Silvestr
      Builds personally?

      It’s too lazy to look for a link, but I remember Latynina said about all the successes of the USSR in the same way, they say, all ordinary people, and the power is criminal. One training manual.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 14 February 2021 12: 59
    -4
    Quote: U-58
    Comrade Lenin, on the way to achieving his (and people's) goals, always made compromises, entered into coalitions at different stages with forces that could help in the struggle.

    Interested.
    Not exactly the way you think.
    Lenin was a stubborn fanatic and he could not make any compromises, even if there was a need and benefit. For example, it was the Leninists-Trotskyists who smashed and destroyed the Church;
    Another example, Comrade Stalin, this one entered into a coalition with the Church, when it was beneficial for him, you can remember: brothers and sisters, material assistance to the Church - money, gasoline, cars, housing stock, he allowed the election of the Patriarch and much more.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 February 2021 09: 50
    -15%
    Quote: Greenwood
    Is it bad or what?

    Quote: Dart2027
    Tell me who your friend is ...

    And by the way, where are there photographs of children who were being blasted like an adult? I still don't see them.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 14 February 2021 12: 48
      +6
      Quote: Dart2027
      where are there photographs of children who were being blasted like an adult?


      Still need or have you had enough?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 38
        -7
        The first video does not carefully show why this particular person is being arrested, what did he do before the arrest? Lay out the whole thing, let's see?
        On the second, I see the crowd blocking the road and they free it.
        On the third, I see how a person resists arrest, which automatically gives the right to use force, and of course it is not shown what he did before that ..
        On the fourth, it is similar.
        Well, plus something is not visible numerous visits to hospitals for injuries, that is, something weak turns out to be beat no injuries or fractures nothing.
        And here are some more links
        A provocateur in Vladivostok attacked a policeman during a rally

        Video of an attack by participants in an illegal action on police officers in the center of St. Petersburg
        https://www.5-tv.ru/news/329788/video-napadenia-ucastnikov-nezakonnoj-akcii-napolicejskih-vcentre-peterburga/
        A participant in an unauthorized action attacked a policeman in St. Petersburg
        https://www.vesti.ru/article/2514232
        A riot policeman was injured on Pushkin Square
        https://smotrim.ru/article/2514196
        Still need or have you had enough?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 14 February 2021 14: 08
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          does not show why they are arresting exactly this, what he did before the arrest? Lay out the whole thing, let's see?
          Is it so important to you what he did before? The person does not resist, the person is unarmed. Well no, let's beat him with truncheons again, right?
          Quote: Dart2027
          On the second, I see the crowd blocking the road and they free it.
          But I see a crowd of people with raised arms without weapons, but for some reason this does not prevent the security forces from attacking and beating them with truncheons.
          Quote: Dart2027
          On the third, I see how a person resists arrest, which automatically gives the right to use force
          I don’t see that. What resistance can a man put up, who has already been tied up by three armed security officials, but for some reason he needs to continue to beat ...
          Quote: Dart2027
          what did he do before that ..
          If a person gives up and does not resist, what difference does it make what he did before?
          Quote: Dart2027
          Well, plus something is not visible numerous visits to hospitals for injuries, that is, something weak turns out to be beat no injuries or fractures nothing.

          Quote: Dart2027
          https://www.5-tv.ru/news/329788/video-napadenia-ucastnikov-nezakonnoj-akcii-napolicejskih-vcentre-peterburga/
          A participant in an unauthorized action attacked a policeman in St. Petersburg
          https://www.vesti.ru/article/2514232
          A riot policeman was injured on Pushkin Square
          https://smotrim.ru/article/2514196
          Lord, channel 5, vesti.ru, VGTRK ... lol Have all the pro-Kremlin media collected? To look like this is not to respect yourself. It was also necessary to Solovyov and insert 1 channel for a complete collection. As for the people shown: I already said, so you catch and take the violent to the paddy wagons, use the force of the law pointwise. And it turned out that for one violent there were 50 peaceful people who fell under the distribution for nothing. I have already given Stupin's calculations.
          Quote: Dart2027
          Still need or have you had enough?
          You are not a parrot, stop repeating after me. No thoughts of your own? Have you forgotten how to build phrases?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 February 2021 15: 56
            -3
            Quote: Greenwood
            Man does not resist
            Oh really? I see that he is just resisting and he has to be led by force.
            Quote: Greenwood
            If a person gives up and does not resist, what difference does it make what he did before?

            Quote: Greenwood
            Is it so important to you what he did before?
            And therefore, most of these videos show only the detention itself, but not what preceded it.

            Quote: Greenwood
            But I see a crowd of people with arms raised without weapons
            that block the passage and disrupt public order, all according to the technologies of Gene Sharp.
            Quote: Greenwood
            What kind of resistance can a man put up, who has already been tied up by three armed security officials
            That is, you do not see that he rested in the aisle where it is difficult to move him and stood until the police used force? Well you are, you yourself refer to the video.
            Quote: Greenwood
            In Moscow, after the rally in support of Navalny, more than 40 people turned to hospitals
            Already something concrete, that means only forty throughout Moscow, is not enough for the atrocities of the regime. And by the way, what about this
            Quote: Greenwood
            as well as five teenagers, the youngest of whom is 13 years old
            They immediately fought in hysterics, proving that no children were there and no one called them. That is, they were?
            Quote: Greenwood
            Lord, channel 5, vesti.ru, VGTRK ... lol Have all the pro-Kremlin media collected? To look like this is not to respect yourself.
            Very touching, but only from the videos that are attached there is nothing but moans about the point? Yes, it is difficult to live in the era of the Internet, when "peaceful protesters" are filmed in all their glory. So they used it pointwise.
            Quote: Greenwood
            Stupin's calculations
            said the person who writes
            Quote: Greenwood
            Lord, channel 5, vesti.ru, VGTRK ... lol Have all the pro-Kremlin media collected? To look like this is not to respect yourself.
            Have you gathered everyone yourself?
            Still need or have you had enough?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 15 February 2021 11: 18
              -1
              Quote: Dart2027
              I see that he is just resisting and he has to be led by force.
              It is one thing to lead by force, another thing to beat with a truncheon at the risk of injuring a person. Do you feel the difference? The man in this case did not pose a threat to the security officials.
              Quote: Dart2027
              And therefore, most of these videos show only the detention itself, but not what preceded it.
              It doesn't matter what preceded it. This is not a showdown of the lads on the arrow. The security officials should have clear regulations and restrictions on the use of existing weapons in the absence of a threat from the detainee.
              Quote: Dart2027
              which block the passage and disturb public order
              A far-fetched accusation, according to which you can twist anyone, even by people passing by on their business (which in the end often happened).
              Quote: Dart2027
              That is, you do not see that he rested in the aisle, where it is difficult to move him, and stood until the police used force?
              And what, that he rested? Is this a reason to beat him with a club?
              Quote: Dart2027
              Already something concrete, that means only forty throughout Moscow, is not enough for the atrocities of the regime.
              These are only those who applied, and did not go home for treatment, as it often happens with us. How much do you need? 400, 4000 ???
              Quote: Dart2027
              They immediately fought in hysterics, proving that no children were there and no one called them. That is, they were?
              Children could easily be there. Curious and came. Nobody called them there by force or pulled them (unlike EdRa's flash mobs). This is not a reason to draw conclusions about the deliberate involvement of minors in protest actions. What's next?
              Quote: Dart2027
              It is very touching, but from the videos that are attached there is nothing but moans about the point?
              Where did you see the groans? I see a disproportionate use of force by the security forces. It is one thing to use force and weapons against violent and provocateurs (something tells me that they were paid to discredit the protest action). It's another matter to knit everyone in a row, including journalists, women and even disabled people.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Have you gathered everyone yourself?
              Referring to popularly popular members of opposition parties is not the same as referring to the corrupt Kremlin media and snickering propagandists with multimillion-dollar salaries and real estate in the hated West, which they so actively pour slop on TV.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 15 February 2021 12: 20
                +1
                Quote: Greenwood
                It is one thing to lead by force, another thing to beat with a truncheon at the risk of injuring a person. Do you feel the difference? The man in this case did not pose a threat to the security officials.

                Quote: Greenwood
                And what, that he rested? Is this a reason to beat him with a club?

                Oh really? Do you need to pat the head? The person resists his detention and this is enough for the use of force.
                Quote: Greenwood
                It doesn't matter what preceded it. This is not a showdown of the lads on the arrow. The security officials should have clear regulations and restrictions on the use of existing weapons in the absence of a threat from the detainee.
                He is - especially violent. For resistance, no matter in what form, methods of force are used.
                Quote: Greenwood
                A far-fetched accusation, according to which you can twist anyone, even by people passing by on their business (which in the end often happened).
                A far-fetched answer to a specific accusation.
                Quote: Greenwood
                These are only those who applied, and did not go home for treatment, as it often happens with us. How much do you need? 400, 4000 ???
                Themselves with fractures and severe injuries? I wonder how many security officials did the same? They have the same number of victims, moreover, that they are also in defense. A strange ratio, given the screams of "regime atrocities."
                Quote: Greenwood
                Children could easily be there. Curious and came. Nobody called them there by force or pulled them (unlike EdRa's flash mobs). This is not a reason to draw conclusions about the deliberate involvement of minors in protest actions. What's next?
                That is, the propaganda was conducted in particular with a view to them. But what about flash mobs, a source of violent attraction of some "Voice"? I remember how hysterical they had after the rally on Poklonnaya Hill.
                Quote: Greenwood
                Where did you see the groans? I see a disproportionate use of force by the security forces. It is one thing to use force and weapons against violent and provocateurs (something tells me that they were paid to discredit the protest action).
                Who are forced to apply it, after numerous refusals to disperse and outright provocations. And yes, provocateurs are often paid, they are specially used by your organizers to force the police to forcefully restore order and provoke the rest of the herd to more active actions
                Quote: Greenwood
                Refer to popular members of opposition parties
                The same as referring to Goebbels. It was very gratifying to watch all these oppositionists howl when they were ordered to warn that they were foreign agents.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 15 February 2021 13: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The person resists his detention and this is enough for the use of force.
                  Force is applied disproportionately to the threat. Can I explain it clearly?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  He is - especially violent.
                  No.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  For resistance, no matter in what form, methods of force are used.
                  Yeah, three security officials tied one and hold, and the fourth is beating with a truncheon. Cool. And the rest pounce on people standing with their hands up.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  A far-fetched answer to a specific accusation.
                  Yeah, accusation. lol The deaf-mute over there was also accused of voting in support of Navalny. These accusations are a pittance and a shame for accusers like this.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  I wonder how many security officials did the same? They have the same number of victims, moreover, that they are also in defense.
                  List of injured security officials in the studio. And without references to the pro-Kremlin media.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Who are forced to use it, after numerous refusals to disperse
                  “Forced to” attacked unarmed people with truncheons.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  they are specially used by your organizers
                  Whose is "your" specifically?
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  It was very gratifying to watch all these oppositionists howl when they were ordered to warn that they were foreign agents.
                  About foreign agents to the wrong address. Contact Putin's top managers of state corporations, propagandists and families of officials. Almost all of them are citizens of NATO countries with foreign real estate.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 15 February 2021 17: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Force is applied disproportionately to the threat. Can I explain it clearly?
                    When life is threatened, the police officer has the right to simply shoot the attacker in self-defense, so that force is applied in proportion to the threat. Can I explain it clearly?
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    No.
                    And therefore, the actions of the detainees before the very detention are trying to hide. You're lying.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Yeah, three security officials tied one and hold, and the fourth is beating with a truncheon. Cool. And the rest pounce on people standing with their hands up.

                    Quote: Greenwood
                    “Forced to” attacked unarmed people with truncheons.
                    Nobody called these people by force, they violate the law and public order, about peace to Gene Sharp.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    The deaf-mute over there was also accused of voting in support of Navalny. These accusations are a pittance and a shame for accusers like this.
                    That did not negate the fact of his participation in the riots and blocking the street. And no one accused him of screaming in the verdict.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    List of injured security officials in the studio. And without references to the pro-Kremlin media.
                    Said a man referring to the State Department kept women. Come on with the studio of the "brutality of the regime" without any "Freedoms", "Voices" and other things. We'll see.
                    The identity of the riot police officers is not disclosed for the safety of their relatives.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Whose is "your" specifically?
                    You and the rest of the naval revolutionaries.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    About foreign agents to the wrong address.
                    That is, we do not deny that they are foreign agents.
                  2. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 17 February 2021 13: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    If life is threatened, the police officer has the right to simply shoot the attacker in self-defense
                    Yeah, yeah, you slide lower and lower. Shooting at unarmed people will undoubtedly greatly increase the authority of the police and security forces. At the same time, remember such an episode in Russian history as "Bloody Sunday" and the deplorable fate of the emperor, who allowed the shooting of unarmed people.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And therefore, the actions of the detainees before the very detention are trying to hide.
                    I repeat 5 times, the actions of the detainees before the detention, after this very detention and surrender do not matter. Security officials must have strict regulations on the use of force.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    No one called these people by force, they violate the law and public order
                    I have already asked this question, but you didn't bother to answer it. Tell us how the citizens of the country in the current conditions should express their protest (note - peaceful) against the current situation in the country, in which a significant part of the population lives in insuperable poverty, and several thousand close to the body of the king revel in riches and luxury.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That did not negate the fact of his participation in the riots and blocking the street.
                    How? Are everyone in the city center automatically equal to participants?
                    That is, there is an absolute unwillingness of judges to understand the case of each individual detainee. What kind of justice in the law enforcement and judicial system can we talk about after that ?!
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Said a man referring to the State Department kept women. Go nuts with the studio of the "brutality of the regime" without any "Freedoms", "Voices" and other things.
                    I said that there were no counter questions and requests without a normal answer supported by evidence.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    The identity of the riot police officers is not disclosed for the safety of their relatives.
                    The drain is accepted. I'm not surprised.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, we do not deny that they are foreign agents.
                    That is, you are twitching again and do not want to look at the essence. "I will spot a speck in someone else's eye - I don't notice a log in my own." The term "foreign agent" is in principle hypocritical and illegal. In general, it’s funny for me to read how the authorities call someone a foreign agent, although they themselves are all of them. That's when the powers that be, top managers, oligarchs, propagandists and their family members give up their foreign accounts, real estate, residence permits, yachts in NATO countries, then we'll talk about "foreign agents and who works for the State Department." Can you tell me when they do it? You are a "patriot". lol
                  3. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 17 February 2021 13: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Shooting at unarmed people will undoubtedly greatly increase the authority of the police and security forces. At the same time, remember such an episode in Russian history as "Bloody Sunday" and the deplorable fate of the emperor, who allowed the shooting of unarmed people.
                    Another cry of Yaroslavna. Do you yourself remember your lies? You said that, they say, the police can use batons only when life is threatened, and I explained to you that when life is threatened, not batons are used, but firearms. And KV is when your predecessors set up the deceived people, because then there were no riot police, and there was no one to stop them except soldiers. Only now it is impossible to repeat, to your sadness.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    I repeat 5 times, the actions of the detainees before the detention, after this very detention and surrender do not matter. Security officials must have strict regulations on the use of force.
                    I answer 5 times that the use of force is allowed when arresting especially dangerous criminals.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Tell us how the citizens of the country in the current conditions should express their protest (note - peaceful) against the current situation in the country, in which a significant part of the population lives in insuperable poverty, and several thousand close to the body of the king revel in riches and luxury.
                    I don’t remember how many times I answered you that all these protesters were not people, but a static error. And the fact of violation of the law does not cancel it.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    How? Are everyone in the city center automatically equal to participants?
                    Tales about the fact that everyone in the center of the city took part in the riots is of no interest to anyone. There were groups that violated law and order, and he was arrested not in an abstract center, but as one of the participants.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Evgeny did not know about the protest action. Of course, he did not hear the calls of the police officers to end the action. When Agafonov saw that other citizens were being detained, he showed the police a gesture that he could not hear.
                    I wonder who you need to be so as not to see that there are riots in front of him? So he's also blind? Not only does he not hear, but also does not see.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    I said that there were no counter questions and requests without a normal answer supported by evidence.
                    That is, nothing but the State Department kept women, there is, and will not be
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    The drain is counted.
                    That is, there is a desire to threaten the relatives of police officers, but there is no opportunity. It's good.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    That is, you are twitching again and do not want to look at the essence. "I will spot a speck in someone else's eye - I don't notice a log in my own." The term "foreign agent" is in principle hypocritical and illegal.
                    And exclusively to Russia, but in the United States, from where the idea was borrowed, this is legal. No really. You get money from there - be so kind as to warn others.
                    Quote: Greenwood
                    In general, it’s funny for me to read how the authorities call someone a foreign agent, although they themselves are all of them.
                    And that's why they want to overthrow them so much. And, by the way, you list so zealously, some of their expenses, but at the same time you cannot give birth to anything about the fact that they are paid from there. Spending your money is one thing and getting another. Who pays the girl, he dances her, and not the one to whom she pays.
                  4. Greenwood
                    Greenwood 17 February 2021 17: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    police officers can use batons only when life is threatened, and I explained to you that when life is threatened, not batons are used, but firearms

                    Specific episodes in the studio, where at least one security officer (let me remind you, dressed in uniform and bulletproof vests with helmets) had a real threat to life, which required the use of firearms.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And KV is when your predecessors set up deceived people,

                    Those. Is everything that people went to turn to the sovereign about - untruth and inventions of some "predecessors"? People actually lived very well and did not know grief, but they were zombified and forced to go to the king, right?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    since then there was no riot police, and there was no one to stop them except soldiers.

                    Well that is You are now actually justifying shooting at unarmed people with icons, do I understand correctly?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Only now it is impossible to repeat it to your sadness.

                    Years flew between KV and Revolution. Not all at once. And your bunker "king" will go to the same place where it belongs, to the dustbin of history, although ideally to the bunk. And who will do it, whether Navalny or the Communists or all will cooperate together (and this is where it goes) - it doesn't matter. The Bolsheviks were not the only ones who made the revolution.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    I answer 5 times that when arresting especially dangerous criminals

                    What "especially dangerous crime" did the protesters commit before the security forces attacked them and beat the activists with truncheons?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    I wonder who you need to be so as not to see that there are riots in front of him?
                    The accumulation of peacefully standing people without weapons is not "street riots". Don't pull the owl over the globe.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, nothing but the State Department kept women, there is, and will not be
                    What will definitely not happen is Solovyova, Simonyan and the Kremlin's smaller sixes.
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, there is a desire to threaten the relatives of police officers, but there is no opportunity. It's good.

                    That is, another owl pulling on the globe, which is quite typical for putinoids. Note, I just asked for a link to the number and lists of "innocent victims" of security officials, and you are already fantasizing about "the desire to threaten the relatives of the police officers." And there and before the accusation of terrorism, extremism
                    and the desire to seize power is not far. Logics? Ayuuu ... However, Russian propagandists are guided by the same "logic".
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    but in the USA
                    And where is the United States? Do we live in the USA or do we still live in Russia?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    where the idea was borrowed from, it's legal.
                    Those. do you think it is quite normal to borrow from the United States selectively those (and only those) laws and regulations that are beneficial to the Kremlin? And can we borrow from them, for example, a high standard of living, an independent judicial system and a political system that does not revolve around one single and unique sun of the nation? And this, I don’t know a single American congressman / senator or any media personality or big businessman who would have accounts in Russia, the children studied in Moscow universities and would have a Russian residence permit / citizenship ?! Do you know such people? Maybe let's borrow this too, don't ?!
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    You get money from there - be so kind as to warn others.

                    I realized I didn't get money from abroad. But it is certainly possible to export them in tens of billions of dollars a year and invest in offshore companies and foreign assets. So?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And that's why they want to overthrow them so much.
                    Who exactly wants it? So far, I only know the Russian people, who are tired of the disastrous situation in which the country has been sitting for 30 years. Did you mean someone else? Who exactly?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And by the way, you list so zealously, some of their expenses
                    First, learn how to place commas, otherwise I don't understand the meaning of the sentence. Secondly, who is "them"?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Spending your money is one thing and getting another.
                    Pfft, and since when did the taxpayers' money entering the country's budget become "theirs" ?!
                  5. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 17 February 2021 18: 07
                    0
                    [quote = Greenwood] Specific episodes in the studio, where at least one security officer (remember, dressed in uniform and body armor with helmets) had a real threat to life, which required the use of firearms. [/ quote] And what the police used firearms? And when? Poor fellow, you are so entangled in your nonsense that you yourself do not remember what it is about, or do you have a new shift there? Let me remind you that the talk was about the fact that the police use rubber truncheons when resisting, for example, when the detainee rests against a passer-by, and if there is a threat to their lives, they have the right to use firearms.
                    [quote = Greenwood] Ie. Is everything that people went to turn to the sovereign about - untruth and inventions of some "predecessors"? [/ quote] Which was not in the city at all, which the organizers knew very well. And the statement that he should release the detainees and surrender in the war is very familiar.
                    [quote = Greenwood] Well that is You are now actually justifying shooting at unarmed people with icons, do I understand correctly? [/ quote] when some people try to break into the residence of the head of state, and if there is no riot police, then they shoot at them, regardless of whether they are armed or not.
                    [quote = Greenwood] Years have flown between KV and the Revolution. [/ quote] And world war, which is not to be expected.
                    [quote = Greenwood] And your bunker "king" [/ quote] He will rule as much as necessary, and if he also cancels the moratorium on the death penalty in relation to the enemies of the people, it will be very good.
                    [quote = Greenwood] What "especially dangerous crime" did the protesters commit before the security forces attacked them and beat the activists with truncheons? [/ quote] That is, you yourself admit that they were provocateurs who turned on the crowd?
                    [quote = Greenwood] The crowd of peacefully standing people without weapons is not "riots". [/ quote] Street riots are not people standing peacefully. Don't pull the owl over the globe.
                    [quote = Greenwood] What will definitely not happen is Solovyova, Simonyan and the Kremlin's smaller sixes. [/ quote] That is, nothing but the State Department kept women, no, and will not be [/ quote]
                    [quote = Greenwood] Note, I just asked for a link to the number and lists of "innocent victims" of security officials, and you are already fantasizing about "the desire to threaten the relatives of police officers." [/ quote] The number has already been given, but why do you need lists ? You yourself admit that you are not averse to engaging in terrorism.
                    [quote = Greenwood]] Ie. do you think it is quite normal to borrow from the United States selectively those (and only those) laws and regulations that are beneficial to the Kremlin? [/ quote] That is, you are not arguing about the fact that this is a normal world practice and are trying to chatter the topic with nice words.
                    [quote = Greenwood] I realized there is no way to receive money from abroad. But it is certainly possible to export them in tens of billions of dollars a year and invest in offshore companies and foreign assets. So? [/ quote] Who pays the girl, he dances her, and not the one to whom she pays.
                    [quote = Greenwood] So far I only know the Russian people, who are tired of the plight that the country has been in for 30 years. [/ quote] Which safely goes about its business, sending your Wishlist far and for a long time.
                    [quote = Greenwood] Pfft, and since when did the taxpayers' money entering the country's budget become "their own"?! [/ quote] And what are they from the country's budget? And who said that, Navalny?
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    New Year day 14 February 2021 13: 04
    +24
    Quote: Dart2027
    And by the way, where are there photographs of children who were being blasted like an adult?

    Your myopia has long been visible laughing
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 14 February 2021 13: 39
      -7
      Quote: Silvestr
      Your myopia

      Said a man who does not see who he works for.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 14 February 2021 19: 28
        +26
        Quote: Dart2027
        Said a man who does not see who he works for.

        I work for the state of ordinary people whom your state has thrown into the furnace. I see it every day .. and their life and death, unlike you.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 14 February 2021 19: 55
          -3
          Quote: Silvestr
          I work on

          Currently at Navalny, who works for the United States.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 15 February 2021 11: 25
            -1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Navalny, who works for the USA
            How did you figure this out? Please provide some evidence here. And at the same time, data on foreign citizenship, Navalny's residence permit, a list of his overseas real estate, any assets in offshores, any expensive things, the purchase of which does not correspond to his income.
            And you know, I can say about Putin that he is an American spy, because he, for example:
            In 1992-1996, among the "reformist political activists”Was trained under the program of the American National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI)
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 15 February 2021 12: 24
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              Quote: Greenwood
              How did you figure this out?

              Because all the so-called color revolutions come from there, all slogans are carbon-copy, all actions are repeated to the smallest detail.
              Quote: Greenwood
              And you know, I can say about Putin too

              that the US has been trying to overthrow him since he began to restore order in the country.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 15 February 2021 13: 39
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                Quote: Dart2027
                Because all the so-called color revolutions come from there, all slogans are carbon-copy, all actions are repeated to the smallest detail.
                Those. natural discontent of the people with the growing problems in the country, falling incomes (long before the pandemic, by the way), tightening the screws, etc. have you recorded the color revolution? Or will you argue and prove that none of this exists? I see, straight from Solovyov they adopted manners - from him everyone who is against Putin, either agents of the State Department, or potential terrorists-members of ISIS. Again, it is easy to draw an analogy with Ceausescu, he, along with his propaganda, was also accused of the country's problems by anyone but himself.
                Quote: Dart2027
                that the US has been trying to overthrow him since he began to restore order in the country.
                Lord, what a terry nonsense.
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 15 February 2021 16: 59
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                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Those. natural discontent of the people

                  Yuntsov, who either do not work at all, or represent the so-called creative class? Or those who are raving about a new communist revolution? They are not people.
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Lord, what a terry nonsense.

                  Said the person referring to "Goebbels".
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  either agents of the State Department or potential terrorists

                  I don’t know about ISIS, but the fact that all CRs are organized by "partners" has long been a secret of Poshenel.
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    paul3390 14 February 2021 10: 33
    +12
    Bulk, of course, the communists are not a friend and cannot be such. For exactly the same liberal and bourgeois as Putin, only hungry and climbs to the trough. But at this stage, his type of exposing activity may turn out to be useful, involuntarily opening the eyes of some people to the essence of the regime. It is not clear that he himself does not set such a task for himself, this is a side effect. But there is an effect, which means - do not try. The task of the communists is to intercept the protest moods in time so that the outraged people understand what exactly needs to be demanded. And to demand - ultimately it is necessary to return to socialism, because only it will return people to normal life ..

    Actually, something similar happened in 1917. After all, the tsar was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. But using the situation correctly, they were the ones who came to victory .. The experience of their ancestors must be taken into account ..
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