The landing site of the Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the Moon has been chosen

The Center for the Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities (TSENKI) selected the landing site for Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the moon. It is assumed that the manned spacecraft "Eagle", which is now under development, at the end of its lunar mission, will land near Orenburg.

This information was provided by the general designer of TsENKI Alexey Bogomolov. This became known from the publication of the corporate edition of the Center "Cosmodromes of Russia".

The first manned launch of the promising Orel spacecraft is scheduled for 2025. The launch of the first spacecraft in this series, as well as the subsequent ones, will be made from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

TsENKI is part of the state corporation Roscosmos and is the operator of its cosmodromes.

Earlier, the state corporation said that before the flight to the moon, an experimental imitation of it would be carried out, which would last several months.

Talking about the plans of Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin emphasized that Russia is committed to the peaceful exploration of outer space and is categorically against its militarization. This was his reaction to the information about the plans of the US Department of Defense to expand cooperation with organizations involved in space exploration.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Here, for sure, like Khoja Nasreddin)))
"We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!"

[credo]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here, for sure, like Khoja Nasreddin)))
"We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!"

That's right - a flight is considered successful only if there is a successful landing. The landing site must be prepared in advance, not at the last moment.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: credo

That's right - a flight is considered successful only if there is a successful landing.

Who would have doubted? Here and:

Dmitry Rogozin emphasized that Russia is committed to peaceful space exploration and strongly opposes its militarization.

Is Russia ready for this peaceful space exploration under the leadership of Rogozin?

[Poetry]

In words, it is easy to be daring.
Rogozin, don't make my face laugh ...

See how he stood in an elegant pose
The Lord of the Moon Dimon Rogozin.
And Elon Musk?! .. And he stayed here.
Yes, he was just blown away, his mother, a trampoline! ..

"Near Orenburg? .. Or maybe near Chita?"
Dmitry cherished a wet dream.
And we are full of important dreams:
"Uncle, bring us a pebble from the moon."

[slipped]

"I am a poet, I am called a flower, from me to all of you greetings" © not mine. Rhyming in blood?

[210ox]

Author???!! Where are you from??

[hirurg]

Ahh, I understood why we didn’t fly to the moon for so many years after the Americans!
There was no place to return!
Or is it not really necessary at this stage of time ..

[hirurg]

But too many statements from Roscosmos make me wary ...
-to Mars
- its own orbital station
-and the moon again
Finally, decide on your priorities.
Feeling confused and wobbly.

[Lexus]

So that the deceived do not have time to come to their senses, you need to lie continuously.

[sniperino]

Quote: lexus

So that the deceived do not have time to come to their senses, you need to lie continuously.

You are so interested in yourself and shoot the whole office. Sticking a quote from the training manual to your opponent, which you yourself immediately use ... Original.

[Revolver]

Quote: hirurg

But too many statements from Roscosmos make me wary ...
-to Mars
- its own orbital station
-and the moon again
Finally, decide on your priorities.
Feeling confused and wobbly.

Yes, theoretically, you can any of the points separately, and all together. You just need to get an answer to the trivial question asked by Vysotsky: "Where is the money, Zin?"

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Nagan

You just need to get an answer to the trivial question asked by Vysotsky: "Where is the money, Zin?"

You can answer with the words of Mayakovsky:

Gentlemen!
Break open cabinets, chests and chests,
take your mother's money and jewelry,
so that the last little boy in a little fist
clamped the saved paper ruble.
Collect the costumes. So that there are no torn ones.
Mother! Get out of your squirrel fur coat!
Have old trousers rummage pockets-
in the pockets of kopecks for forty little things.
We will lay all this in knots and tie,
and themselves, without money and a dress,
come, bow down and say:
Here!
What money do we need, spenders and mots!
We don't even know where to put them.
Take, dear, take what is there!
You are our fathers and we are your children.

[Poetry]

Don't you think it’s a bit premature to announce to the general public about the landing site for a high-risk ship? Moreover, it is not a fact at all that it will take place. As you can see, I can also in prose ...

[slipped]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Don't you think it’s a bit premature to announce to the general public about the landing site for a high-risk ship? Moreover, it is not a fact at all that it will take place. As you can see, I can also in prose ...

Do you think the ship should remain in space after takeoff? Or did you land on Earth later? This is not familiar to you for many years SA from the Soyuz MS PTC for which there is a piece of steppe not far from Dzhezkazgan. He needs a special landing site, he has it at the end on the engines. That's right, almost like at the step of the same Mask.

[Poetry]

I sincerely wish everyone who is involved in the space industry every success in their work. But don't you think it's too early?

[slipped]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

But don't you think it's too early?

Too early what? When creating a new ship on a computer, calculate the ballistics of its launch?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: slipped

Too early what? When creating a new ship on a computer, calculate the ballistics of its launch?

It's too early to talk about it. That's how I imagine how Korolev, five years before Gagarin's flight, writes an article in Pravda where the module will land. It is no longer funny because of our "space successes".

[slipped]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It's too early to talk about it.

And who is chatting? Anyone who examines the text in a specialized trade publication with a magnifying glass? And then hype this in the media?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It is no longer funny because of our "space successes".

Of course not funny. We have a lot of them.

[skif8013]

Rogozig's statements are becoming more and more similar to the speeches of the ancient Sumerians. What makes it scary, because it's damn contagious! The Sumerians over Crimea are opening the sky for NATO, and Ragozin has already returned from the moon.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: skif8013

Rogozig's statements are becoming more and more similar to the speeches of the ancient Sumerians. What makes it scary, because it's damn contagious!

I'm afraid that we have been infected from them for a long time, the insanity in the power structures is getting stronger and stronger.

[Poetry]

You need to calculate what you need to talk about? But quietly, without publicity. In order not to scare off luck. Suddenly again, an enemy saboteur-saboteur? Don't you know ... Good luck to you.

[slipped]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Don't you know ... Good luck to you.

And you don't have to be ill, but I still advise you to read the original article - here https://www.russian.space/media/files/newspaper/kosmodromi_rossii_035.pdf the article is called "FROM IDEA TO IMPLEMENTATION". It will not be difficult for you to understand that words taken out of context are not the whole article.

[sustav75]

Is it early? Probably still a little late! The great USSR curtailed the program, and then some kind of trampoline-journalist-dreamer ...

[Poetry]

I would like to experience something that my parents told me about when Gagarin made his flight in 1961.

[sniperino]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

I would like to experience something that my parents told about

And here it immediately sank ... I remembered a sad song

What are the clouds like
My blind son asked me.
I would explain to you, but how?
After all, you do not see my dear ...

[Vadim237]

Do not worry Angara A5P under the Eagle as the ship itself is now being created - from the beginning there will be an unmanned flyby of the moon and then a manned one.

[Poetry]

I really hope so and look forward to it. It's good if this happens before I drop skates.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

It's good if this happens before I drop skates.

Nothing, if anything, wait on skis.
Or is everything so bad, and Kondraty is already at your front door? You don't need to lose heart anyway. And the body is also not needed.

[Poetry]

Life was such that Kondraty loomed repeatedly. I could have left very young, but "300" is not "200". Life has taught me to always prepare for the worst. And so am I, too, a cheerful person.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Life has taught me to always prepare for the worst.

"It's a business approach"(c) It seems that we are representatives of the same generation. I have the same garbage - in case of any everyday uncertainty, waiting for the result, I keep in mind the most worthless alignment, so as not to break off at the end. everything turns out perfectly (or just positively), then I count it as a bonus from the lottery game.
And a very important point: taking the worst for the probable outcome, in no case should you be driven out of this, sprinkling ashes on your head in advance, like the notorious girl at the well. Such is the mythology of optimism.

[sniperino]

Quote: Paranoid50

Is Kondraty already at your front door? ... And a very important point:

Wait! Kondraty is already at his bedside, the veteran reads his own waste, and you and your "psychologists advise." Do you really think that at the threshold of eternity, people can write such rhymes with resentment at Rogozin for the fact that because of him their childhood dream of the space breakthroughs of his homeland will not come true?

Rogozin, don't make my face laugh ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: sniperino

Do you really think that at the threshold of eternity, people can write such rhymes with resentment against Rogozin

No way. And that's why I summarized my answer to Sergey with the following sentence:

taking the worst for the probable outcome, in no case should you be driven into this, sprinkling ashes on your head in advance, like the notorious girl at the well.

[sniperino]

Veterans demanding respect for themselves are today the national craft of independent Ukraine. GOP stop! We came around the corner ... (I leave, humming)

[Poetry]

Wow ... I have nothing to add. Good luck in all your endeavors.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Don't you think it’s a bit premature to announce to the general public about the landing site for a high-risk ship? Moreover, it is not a fact at all that it will take place. As you can see, I can also in prose ...

Pure Russophobia from the first to the last word.

[sniperino]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

it is premature to make a statement to the general public about the ship's landing site

Explain. If someone has a premature eruption of his volcano with a woman, it is understandable why it is premature: the woman will be upset. And then what is the "premature"? Who is the victim?

[Poetry]

Let me explain, again using the example of a woman. Let's say you are discussing with a woman to whom you have not yet inserted wallpaper in the future children's room.

[sniperino]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

you are discussing with a woman to whom you have not yet inserted wallpaper in the future children's room.

This is not a good example. Rather, I tell her that I want her to give birth to my child and where the three of us will live. She has the right to know about this, or it must be inserted in a quick way, and where the curve will take it, "so as not to frighten off luck."

[sniperino]

so as not to frighten off luck

In general, poet, what are you doing around the corner? .. (I am tormented by vague doubts)

[Anatoly 288]

Grozny, Makhachkala? Let Rogozin clarify

[Rushnairfors]

Poetiszaugla five points to you! Humor is our everything!

[seacap]

Korolev did not have time to come up with a rocket for interplanetary flights, and there are no others and there is no one to make them already, a man with a correspondent diploma is clearly not a rocket designer, moreover, our "reformers" have tried to destroy science and education and deprive them of prospects for this, and even if by accident and a "nugget" will appear, so they will buy it from overseas.

[Anatoly 288]

They will not buy, but "destroy" because of the Buyan island. All forces and opportunities will be applied, but so that there are fewer and fewer specialists in Russia ... If someone sticks his head out, they immediately buy it out. And all of us are playing with spillikins, but they are hoping for "Ivan the Fool"! If such a policy in science continues, then ... we will have to close the borders, fairy tales will not hold the people back, they will vote with their feet !!!

[seacap]

They have long been, according to the definition of a dead, but not stupid Pole, not ours.

[slipped]

Quote: credo

The landing site must be prepared in advance, not at the last moment.

The trigger worked on the words Luna and Rogozin. The hamsters got excited and began to write nonsense.

And all that - a message about the landing site for the PTK "Orel". His landing is parachute-jet, and therefore an appropriate platform is required for this. Moreover, even several of them will be used for different situations.

[sniperino]

Quote: slipped

Hamsters got horny

prematurely.

[sniperino]

Quote: slipped

The trigger worked on the words Luna and Rogozin

The trigger (aka "leader", aka "Nazariy", aka "H. Nasretdin") initially worked in the first comment:

We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!

Then the dull crowd rushed in to turn the whole theme of hope into a theme of despondency. Some hurried readers, after reading a few comments, quickly come to the conclusion that experts consider the situation hopeless, and leave the topic.

[aglet]

"The landing site needs to be prepared in advance, not at the last moment."
I'm afraid in 20 years something will happen to the site. the forest will overgrow, for example

[slipped]

Quote: aglet

"The landing site needs to be prepared in advance, not at the last moment."
I'm afraid in 20 years something will happen to the site. the forest will overgrow, for example

Launch and landing of VA at the Orel NP PTK at the end of 2023.

And here are the legs:



The site is needed for anyone.

[Runway]

Will there be several sites and need to be built? What is the point in the parachute system, if landing on the engines is insured / duplicated?

[slipped]

Quote: WFP

Will there be several sites and need to be built? What is the point in the parachute system, if landing on the engines is insured / duplicated?

Some. No, not build, there the landing square will still turn out to be large, just due to the fact that the landing is parachute-jet - the main landing is on three parachutes, then, like the Soyuz SA, the frontal screen is shot back, opening the landing gear, just before landing on at a height of approximately 90 meters, the landing gear shock absorbers are cocked into the landing position and the soft landing engines are started, while the parachutes are fired back. Further, the landing is already on its engines until it touches the surface.

[Runway]

As I understood, when landing, the spacecraft fires off the instrument (engines and other), enters dense layers along the allied, opens the parachute system and, at a low altitude, throwing off the heat shield, cuts in the landing ones and, after entering the operating mode, drops the aircraft and sits down?
Is only the habitable compartment reusable? A very strange decision. If you "butt" for reusability, then for the whole "piece".

[Genry]

Quote: WFP

Is only the habitable compartment reusable? A very strange decision. If you "butt" for reusability, then for the whole "piece".

It is imperative to discard all parts where there was poisonous fuel. The life of the crew is more expensive. The Americans are stupid, they didn't get it.

[slipped]

Quote: WFP

As I understood, when landing, the spacecraft fires the instrument panel (engines and other),

The propulsion module is disposable.

body:

the actual tanks and engines:

Quote: WFP

enters into dense layers according to the union,
opens the parachute system and at low altitude, throwing off the heat shield, cuts in the landing and after they enter the operating mode, throws off the PS and sits down?

You forgot to platoon the landing gear yet. I wrote above.

Quote: WFP

Is only the habitable compartment reusable? A very strange decision. If you "butt" for reusability, then for the whole "piece".

The returned device is reusable. The main systems are in it. Including soft-landing engines and landing gear.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: aglet

"The landing site needs to be prepared in advance, not at the last moment."
I'm afraid in 20 years something will happen to the site. the forest will overgrow, for example

In 20 years the city will grow there!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: credo

The landing site must be prepared in advance, not at the last moment.

As the space rescuers were on duty in Dombarovsky, they will be on duty ...

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

We hammered the peg ...

[syndicalist]

You can salute

[Snail N9]

The landing site of the Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the Moon has been chosen

Seriously? Well, now, you can sleep well, "half the battle is done" .....

[Stas157]

Quote: syndicalist

You can salute

I already opened champagne for joy!))

... the place of landing of Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the moon was chosen

This is the most important thing! The rest are minor details. Rogozin will solve them in the meantime (writing songs).

[Cosm22]

If time remains.
After work on the schedule of the rocket Gzhel and Khokhloma.

[dSK]

Quote: syndicalist

One can

send a joint expedition to the moon - on a (Chinese) "ship" a descent vehicle, ours and a Chinese cosmonaut. In the second (Russian), it is returned. After the start from the Moon - docking and return to the ground of the joint crew. For each country, the expedition would cost 2 times cheaper.
They will put up two flags and collect a dozen pebbles ...
There is no money for space in the next 5 years - only the ISS, communications and intelligence ...

[dSK]

The creation of an alliance of the giants of Asia - China, India and Russia against the "global gendarme" is a reduction in losses during a "hot" run over of the "Fourth Rome", otherwise we can lose more than in 1941 ...

[hirurg]

Oooh! The collective farm is inappropriate here! We passed, we know. I passed it personally, I know.
But too many statements from Roscosmos make me wary ...
-to Mars
- its own orbital station
-and the moon again
Finally, decide on your priorities.
Feeling confused and wobbly.

[Alien From]

Ches word, it's a shame, yes .......

[sabakina]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here, for sure, like Khoja Nasreddin)))
"We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!"

Nazariy, with Khoja, the donkey turned into the prince of Dombulistan and back. Rogozin can do that?

[Thrifty]

Of course, you can swing to the moon, but to fly to it is like crossing the Pacific Ocean on foot! Although, our great-grandchildren, perhaps, fly on a Chinese spaceship as tourists. ...

[Bar1]

whoever was no longer on the moon and Herbert Wells sent his own there, and Dunno and his friends were already there, and even the pin_dosnya was there (albeit on a gray moon, not on a brown moon), and finally this Roscosmos is there from her too wants.
Here is such a company.

[Cowbra]

And what don't you like? There are so many screams at all corners that we are losing the US information war. Then, that we do not conduct it at all, and the United States every day yells about a change - but only on paper. Look how much the United States announced about hypersound, and how much we have - you might think that the United States has a rocket in service, but we don't even have a flying model yet. Now they started to cover the points. Well, what do you mind? Someone lied or didn't do something? Or did you do some of the NECESSARY preparatory work?
Why are you whining, what are the reasons?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

"We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!"

Nope. Not this way. The donkey is just there. Now, as it were, to unhook him from the peg, but to the freedom, to the pampas, drive him out.

[Lexus]

Let it remain on the site so that it does not overgrow. Then just bones and manure will be removed.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here, for sure, like Khoja Nasreddin)))

Of course, this is not Musk with his Martian projects. He can do it.

[lelik613]

Again haloperidol not delivered?

[RUSS]

In Russia, the development of a promising super-heavy launch vehicle has been suspended. This is reported by RIA Novosti, referring to statements by Dmitry Baranov, general director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (part of the state corporation Roscosmos).
We are talking about the Yenisei project. It is assumed that this carrier will be able to launch up to 100 tons of cargo into low-earth orbit and deliver cargo weighing up to 27 tons to the Moon's orbit.

The missile is planned to be used in complex missions. In the future, the carrier "Don" will be created: its carrying capacity will be up to 130–140 tons in the case of a low earth orbit.

Alas, as it has now become known, the creation of the Yenisei is delayed. In particular, it is said that the technical appearance of the carrier has not yet been determined.

[antivirus]

The missile is planned to be used in complex missions. In the future, the carrier "Don" will be created: its carrying capacity will be up to 130-140 tons in case of

--Don Pedro - Perspective Carrier

[Flooding]

Quote: RUSS

Alas, as it has now become known, the creation of the Yenisei is delayed. In particular, it is said that the technical appearance of the carrier has not yet been determined.

Roscosmos has suspended the development of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle for flights to the Yenisei. This was announced by Dmitry Baranov, General Director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (RSC), RIA Novosti reports.
“Today it is possible to correct its appearance, so now this issue has not yet been fully resolved. It is possible to correct the technical appearance of the rocket, ”Baranov said. According to him, the approval of the appearance of the rocket - "A question of several months".

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/6023b8aa9a79474b39087b2b

Initially, the task was set to readiness of the rocket by 2028.

[evgen1221]

Yeah, we were developing, and at one point we thought about a smoke break between the cuts, and what we actually wanted to draw. Apparently this is how it should be understood.

[Flooding]

Quote: evgen1221

Yeah, we were developing, and at one point we thought about a smoke break between the cuts, and what we actually wanted to draw. Apparently this is how it should be understood.

I am far from design activity, but I think that such situations are possible.
When not only new ideas for the implementation of a particular node appear, but these ideas also have time to pass approbation and confirm their viability. And there is a need to make appropriate changes to the project.
Still, the launch vehicle is being developed for many years to come and should, whenever possible, embody advanced ideas that will guarantee its long-term operation.
The reverse situation is also possible, when some innovation does not show the necessary characteristics, and it takes time to "rollback" the project to something less translatable, but more reliable.

[slipped]

Quote: Flood

I am far from design activity, but I think that such situations are possible.

Gold words. Plebs did not eat as usual.

[Flooding]

Quote: slipped

Plebs did not eat as usual.

In this case, the plebs are me.
I didn't exactly taste what you mean.
Can I speak in a common way?

[slipped]

Quote: Flood

Can I speak in a common way?

RN "Energia" remember? The project bent due to the scarcity of its payloads. I could only withdraw 100 tons. Very, very expensive. Directly at the cost of withdrawing the shuttle.

Here, too, it is not comme il faut to make one carrier only for PTK and LVPK. We decided to significantly share the list of payloads and reduce the cost of withdrawal. Is this clear?

[Flooding]

I almost hope I understand you. But I'm not completely sure about that.
Dont be upset. Just in case, I'll throw you a "+".

[Cosm22]

Yes, sadness.
Well, nothing, maybe a sketch or a drawing of the layout of the Yenisei, this future conqueror of outer space (eu-but, which has no analogues), Roskosmos will give it to the mountain in a year or two.
But the place for the landing of the spacecraft starting on this carrier, as we see, has already been found. In this regard, the successes of Roskosmos are undeniable.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

But the place for the landing of the spacecraft starting on this carrier, as we see, has already been found. In this regard, the successes of Roskosmos are undeniable.

CC starts much earlier and not on this medium.

[Cosm22]

CC does not start at all for the simple reason that it is not yet in its final form. And it is not known when it will be.
As for the carrier, I have already lost count, perceiving information from Roscosmos. His shuffling from one version to another is beginning to be corny.
And what, by the way, was the carrier that voiced RK this time? Really long-suffering Angara? So the basic modification of the five Eagle will not pull even on LI. For the latter, by some miracle, became heavier after all the manipulations with it by 2,3 tons. Is Angara-A5P lucky? And what, has the third stage hydrogen plant already been made? Or will Soyuz-5 be lucky, which is not? Or is it the Yenisei, which today does not even have an architectural appearance? You already educate us, the poor, in the throwing and shuffling of Roscosmos without a bottle is difficult to understand.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

CC does not start at all for the simple reason that it is not yet in its final form. And it is not known when it will be.

There are still two and a half years of creation and various tests ahead.

Quote: Cosm22

As for the carrier, I have already lost count, perceiving information from Roscosmos. His shuffling from one version to another is beginning to be corny.

So you haven't bothered to read the current federal space program?

As soon as the launch for the "Angara" LV on the "Vostochny" is built, it will fly in half a year.

Quote: Cosm22

And what, by the way, was the carrier that voiced RK this time? Really long-suffering Angara? So the basic modification of the five Eagle will not pull even on LI. For the latter, by some miracle, grew heavier after all the manipulations with it by 2,3 tons.

A5 brings to LEO - 24 kg. And in your opinion, 000 22 kg will not pull? What is that supposed to mean? Have they started talking?

Quote: Cosm22

Is Angara-A5P lucky?

P - manned. The unmanned PTK of the usual A5 will be raised, except that the engines on the URM-1 will be supplied by the RD-191M as part of the creation of the A5M.

[Freemason Mason]

A5 brings to LEO - 24 kg. And according to your 000 22 kg will not pull

Of course it will - for LEO. And you need to go to the moon. To do this, the Angara should have a carrying capacity for LEO not 24 tons, but 40-50 tons. As an example, Saturn V could bring 140 tons to LEO, and "only" 65 tons on the trajectory to the Moon. So either Roscosmos will make Yenisei (with at the current pace - by 2035, and even then not a fact), or it will fence in a much more complex, unreliable and costly (which is significant, given the very limited budget) scheme with several Angara rockets and refueling in orbit. But this scheme is nothing in terms of competitiveness. The main space powers - the USA and China - plan to use superheavy for flights to the moon. The USA already has SLS ready (yes, it's expensive, but it's already ready), in a couple of years a cheap returnable Starship will be added. China is worse with this, but I think with their budget they will master the superheavy, even after the United States. So Roscosmos has to either go into an unequal partnership with China (and it cannot be equal, since an equal partnership implies equal contributions), or finally end up PR on projects and start doing business.

[slipped]

Quote: Freemason

Of course it will - for LEO.

In the current federal space program, only LEO.

Quote: Freemason

And you need to go to the moon. For this, the Angara must have a lifting capacity for LEO not 24 tons, but 40-50 tons.

The next carrier of the Angara line - А5В - has a carrying capacity of 37 tons at LEO. But this is already the next FKP.

Quote: Freemason

So either Roskosmos will make the Yenisei (at the current pace - by 2035, and even that is not a fact), or it will fence in a much more complicated, unreliable and costly (which is essential, given the very limited budget) scheme with several Angara missiles and refueling at orbit.

"complicated, unreliable and costly" is only in your understanding. Docking and refueling in the earth's orbit is a long-established process. Our "Progress" is constantly doing this.

Quote: Freemason

So Roscosmos has to either go into an unequal partnership with China (and it cannot be equal, since an equal partnership implies equal contributions), or finally end up PR on projects and start doing business.

The partnership with China within the framework of the Lunar Program has long been established, joint groups have been created that are looking for an opportunity to make this partnership equal. In addition, in the near future, we must conclude a memorandum of understanding with China on the lunar base.

[Motorist]

Quote: Freemason

Saturn V could bring 140 tons to LEO, and “only” 65 tons to the trajectory to the Moon

Saturn - 65? To the moon? Even partners talk about 44,5 tons. And "evil tongues" suggest 30 tons (due to the "non-hydrogen" J-2 engines).

More details: http://www.free-inform.narod.ru/

[Freemason Mason]

Open Wikipedia - it says that Saturn V could put 65 tons on a trajectory to the Moon. Someone will say that Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. Well, if you cite a more authoritative source (preferably a foreign one, and not some local little-known pages containing a mixture of jingoistic patriotism and conspiracy theories), confirming the opposite with evidence, I will gladly read it.

[Motorist]

Free Mason, ... I see that you followed the link and immediately returned - this (as it seems to me) is not enough to evaluate such a series of articles.

Quote: Freemason

preferably foreign

Are you writing from Perestroika? Then everything foreign was idolized. What will you be vaccinated with (if you get it, of course)?

Quote: Freemason

some local little-known pages

I will popularize ...

[Cosm22]

1. I can even calm you down. Ahead is not 2,5 years of creation, but at least three times 2,5 years each. For in this case, I rely more not on Rogozin's promises, but, for example, on the opinion of the pilot-cosmonaut, Hero of Russia, Fyodor Yurchikhin. Which in plain text and in Russian said in an interview in August last year that there is not even an approved drawing of the Eagle, let alone the start of production. The only thing there is is its plastic model.
2. I have studied the FKP thoroughly. Besides, I have a habit of looking for other information. From which I understood what probably passed by your consciousness due to inattention and unwillingness to analyze the situation. Namely: FKP was cut by 150 billion rubles. This is not all. Mr. Rogozin, in an interview with TASS at the Army-2020 forum, kindly informed us that the FKP may additionally fall under the sequestration due to the fall in federal budget revenues. How in such conditions the RK will bring to mind all these dons-yenisei-unions-hangars-eagles - only RK is known.
3. This is when the cancer whistles on the mountain? Or next Thursday after the rain? By the way, one SC under the Angara has already been successfully, so to speak, "sequestered". Even before the start of its construction.
4. Is the base Hangara already flying with the assigned PN? Already out of the test phase? When? When did this miracle happen? Or do we take the data from those stated in your favorite Wiki? By the way, I have infa that today the Eagle in the starting configuration according to the documentation pulls already under 27 tons. I will not approve, insist on this figure too, because, of course, the RK does not and will not give reliable data, therefore we will wait. The situation will clear up sooner or later.
5. Will you teach me to understand indexes? Funny ...
They will raise ... they will put ... It is clear, as always. Sweet Dreams. In a dream, these very "frames of creation" move apart instantly, contributing to the strengthening of the feeling of tenderness, serenity and faith in the correctness of the actions of Roscosmos.

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Quote: Cosm22

but, for example, on the opinion of the pilot-cosmonaut Hero of Russia Fyodor Yurchikhin.

Yurchikhin was simply not in the know. Since by that time he left the detachment. More precisely, not quite in the know. After that Rogozin had to bring the entire cosmonaut corps to production "by the handle" so that they knew. I will even say that they were impressed.

So that you are giving outdated information.

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The only thing there is is its plastic model.

There is a video below, production. Plastic, or rather composite, there is a housing for the service systems module. Returnable apparatus made of aluminum.

Quote: Cosm22

I have studied the FKP thoroughly.

Commendable. Why then ask stupid questions?

Quote: Cosm22

Mr. Rogozin, in an interview with TASS at the Army-2020 forum, kindly informed us that the FKP may additionally fall under the sequestration due to the fall in federal budget revenues.

Or maybe not. What does the development of the PTK have to do with it? Everything is paid there.

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This is when the cancer whistles on the mountain? Or next Thursday after the rain?

What are you talking about? construction of USK "Amur" on "Vostochny" is underway, will be completed at the end of next year, give you a video?

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Is the base Hangara already flying from the set PN? Already out of the test phase? When? When did this miracle happen?

Of course it flies. The RB "Breeze-M" with the main engine is quite a payload for the missile itself. Flight design tests at the "Angara" launch vehicle will end in 2023 based on the results of six A5 launches and two A1.2 launches.

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Will you teach me how to understand indexes? Funny ...

Then why do you ask?

[Vadim237]

Let's wait for it in 2023 and not make empty predictions.

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Let's wait for it in 2023 and not make empty predictions.

Come on, only these are not forecasts, this is a schedule.

[Vadim237]

For several months - as they say to work on bugs.

[aars]

Nonsense ...

[SaLaR]

As always ... the horse is harnessed to the cart ahead ...

[Destiny]

Rogozin is no stranger to his corporate identity. Even Dmitry Medvedev could not resist and not so long ago called on the head of Roscosmos “to say less and do more,” but no, he did not heed - he continues to say more than to do.

[U-58]

Well, they were really surprised ..
Who, if not me, is the oldest lady present here?
Of course, in the Orenburg region. And along the trajectory and exactly on the head "Search and Rescue", which is just there and based.

[Ros 56]

Where did you get that from us?, And maybe in Kazakhstan, which most often happens.

[U-58]

Hehe. Have you ever walked on your river?)))

[Ros 56]

And then?

[From Tomsk]

Funny site. Here the authors are moderators. Staver for example. They delete comments they don't like and give them a warning. After three - to the ban. Democracy in America is just resting)).

[Flooding]

Quote: From Tomsk

Here the authors are moderators

Lack of hands, you have to combine business with pleasure.

[Ros 56]

Have I overslept, are they landing tomorrow? Or a chicken in a nest, and an egg in .....

[faiver]

Yes, apparently you were not the only one who slept ...

[podval57]

Didn't forget to choose the place of landing?

[Stas157]

Quote: podval57

Didn't forget to choose the place of landing?

There how it will turn out)) The main thing is not to fly past the moon.

[Lexus]

Then the mission will be declared Martian, then Jupiter ... and, in the end, intergalactic.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: podval57

Didn't forget to choose the place of landing?

It is precisely from the point of the landing site that they will now choose the landing point.

[dauria]

It is precisely from the point of the landing site that they will now choose the landing point.

And then a tie-colored rocket.

[iouris]

first, you need to allocate money to build a memorial at the landing site, build it and hold a rally. And show it on TV. And tweet. And troll the Mask.

[Poetry]

Congratulations to D. Rogozin on the successful completion of the flight to the moon.

[RUSS]

Quote: Poetiszaugla

Congratulations to D. Rogozin on the successful completion of the flight to the moon.

Yura first flew into space, and Rogozin flew out of space.

[Poetry]

Yura, forgive us! .. We've done everything.

[sergo1914]

Earlier, the state corporation said that before the flight to the moon, an experimental imitation of it would be carried out, which would last several months.

Correctly. We need to adopt the best practices. The Americans got a ride. Why are we worse? But the intrigue remained. Bondarchuk? Or all this shnyaga with the Gogol Center to free Serebrennikov?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: sergo1914

We need to adopt the best practices. The Americans got a ride. Why are we worse?

There was a very good article in the "Technology of Youth" magazine in the 77th years about the American landing on the moon. So, it mentions the installation of a panel with mirrors on the moon. The panel is small (if memory does not change 1m²) but it was quite enough for measurements using a laser beam sent from Earth. For example, they found that the distance between Eurasia and America differs from the accepted one and calculated the exact one.
Also, seismic activity sensors were installed, which recorded that these processes on the Moon had not yet stopped, as it was believed earlier, and so on.
In general, if desired, all this can be found nete.
And the fact that Hollywood took part in the filming of the beautiful American landing on the moon, I fully admit: to shoot beautifully with those cameras that were used in space in extreme conditions - it could well have been screwed up, but the public had to present this event beautifully. So they attracted Hollywood. I think so.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bad_gr

there was a very good article about the American landing on the moon.

Found. The article is called "How the first steps were taken on the Moon".
This is j-l. "Technology - for youth" 1969 No. 10

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In the previous message, I distorted the data a little, I'm sorry (I read the article once, a lot of years ago, so I forgot it a bit)

[Motorist]

Quote: Bad_gr

installation of a panel with mirrors on the Moon ... Seismic activity sensors were also installed

An automatic machine can supply the UO and sensors. By the way, he does not need a life support system, and no one is waiting for him at home. This lightens the payload 2-3 times, and that's a completely different story ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Motorist

An automatic machine can supply the UO and sensors.

Why did I remember this article: in those years, no one doubted that the Americans were on the moon (seven lunar missions). And some of the American correspondents started stirring up about the fact that they were not there, and then it came to us.
But our cosmonauts are sure that the Americans were there.

[Motorist]

Quote: Bad_gr

in those years, no one doubted

Hence, so necessary It was. And now we have no one denies; only Sledkom trolled a little (EMNIP) - they wanted to help with the search for the missing lunar films. So now - so it should be ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: sergo1914

We need to adopt the best practices. The Americans got a ride. Why are we worse?

There was a very good article in the "Technology of Youth" magazine in the 77th years about the American landing on the moon. So, it mentions the installation of a panel with mirrors on the moon. The panel is small (if memory does not change 1m²) but it was quite enough for measurements using a laser beam sent from Earth. For example, they found that the distance between Eurasia and America differs from the accepted one and calculated the exact one.
Also, seismic activity sensors were installed, which recorded that these processes on the Moon had not yet stopped, as it was believed earlier, and so on.
In general, if desired, all this can be found nete.
And the fact that Hollywood took part in the filming of the beautiful American landing on the moon, I fully admit: to shoot beautifully with those cameras that were used in space in extreme conditions - it could well have been screwed up, but the public had to present this event beautifully. So they attracted Hollywood. I think so.

I will not argue. Personally, I strongly doubt the credibility of these missions. But let's not breed this bodyag here. Topic for dozens of pages. Everything has already been discussed many times.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: sergo1914

Personally, I strongly doubt the credibility of these missions. But let's not breed this bodyag here.

There was not even a thought to argue on this topic. Just your opinion

Quote: sergo1914

The Americans got a ride. Why are we worse?

sounded like an axiom, but this is completely wrong., so I expressed my own (in favor of which there is a lot of evidence), which fundamentally does not coincide with yours.

[mag nit]

Not far from Orenburg, on a full moon ...

[evgen1221]

Necessarily after the rain on Thursday, and only after the cancer hangs on the mountain!))))

[Prisoner]

Well, that's it. The deed is 95% done. The only thing left is to fly and return to the selected square.

[Elturisto]

And also a festive menu, a wine list and a list of artists for a solemn banquet dedicated to a manned flight to the moon were selected and approved, that is, the main tasks have been solved ...

[faiver]

The key point has been determined, the rest of the little things in life ...

[evgen1221]

Oh how! And on the moon, the landing site apparently has not yet been chosen, as well as what they wanted to fly on. Well, apparently, the guidance system to the trampoline is unpredictable in the results. Isn't it funny for them to give out such pearls?

[Tsoy]

If we start from the end, then it was necessary to conduct a rehearsal of celebrating and honoring the cosmonauts. And the reportage of course to release a five-hour.

[rocket757]

Okay, planning is always good!

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

It would be better to choose not a place, but instead of ... And then a specialist in the second oldest profession is already so ... that the first oldest is resting.

[Alexey Stepanov]

And what has the "Humor" section already opened here?

[New Year day]

The landing site of the Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the Moon has been chosen

The headline and the creation itself caused massive banter about this. It is evident that Rogozin's "successes" are already undeniable by all, and the prospects for the development of outer space no longer inspire confidence in the future. Amen

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Quote: Silvestr

The headline and the creation itself caused massive banter on the matter.

So technically illiterate hamsters. And the author of the title got a dose of his hype.

Quote: Silvestr

It can be seen that Rogozin's "successes" are already undeniable by everyone, and the prospects for the development of outer space no longer arouse confidence in the future. Amen

For two years we have been flying clearly without accidents, for someone it is in the throat. So they sketch it out.

[Asad]

Let's make it simpler, write down the date, for example, November 1, 2023. And when will the theme of space be remembered about the Moon?

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Let's make it simpler, write down the date, for example, November 1, 2023. And when will the theme of space be remembered about the Moon?

What will happen on November 1, 2023 and what does the moon have to do with it?

[Asad]

Well, will it fly, the rocket !?

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Well, will it fly, the rocket !?

You are not reading carefully. At the end of 2023, in December, an unmanned launch of the Orel NP PTK on the Angara-A5 carrier rocket from the Amur USC built by that time at the Vostochny cosmodrome is expected. The spacecraft will be in autonomous flight without docking to the ISS. In flight and during landing, all its systems will be worked out.

[Vadim237]

Whatever you and your other rejected ones carry - under Rogozin, the number of emergency launches dwindled to zero, and the detection of defects increased, and yes, work continues both on missiles with engines and on a manned spacecraft and everything accompanying.

[kit88]

There is no ship, no launch vehicle, no trained crew.
But there is a landing site for who knows what and who.
Moreover, I dare to assume that the calculated budget was utilized on time and in full.
Don't have to recount? When the real CA is ready. Years in 10-15-20 ...
Or will it already be their problem ... for the next generations?

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There is no ship

Already do.

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PH - no,

Flight design tests are underway.

Quote: kit88

there is no trained crew.

Prepared by 2025.

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But there is a landing site for who knows what and who.

It also says the PTK NP "Eagle".

Quote: kit88

Don't have to recount? When the real CA is ready. Years in 10-15-20 ...

The production cycle of a new ship at ZEM takes about two years.

[JD1979]

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Already do.

Uh-huh, since 2009 already ... The third name ... the readiness of KTTS ...

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Flight design tests are underway.

They do not go, even the specific rocket on which they will be launched has not been determined. Union and Angara not to offer. The latter is tested simply for the ability to take off. There is not a word about the moon.

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Prepared by 2025.

To train a crew, you need something to cook on and for what. We look above. There is no ready ship, or at least a ready-made avionics, no carrier. Is there a theory left?

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It also says the PTK NP "Eagle".

Well, yes, for today it is "Eagle", but what will it be called in a couple of months ...

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The production cycle of a new ship at ZEM takes about two years.

Serial production cycle - maybe a new one is being built since 2009.

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Quote: JD1979

Uh-huh, since 2009 already ... The third name ... the readiness of KTTS ...

And who is easy now?

Quote: JD1979

They do not go, even the specific rocket on which they will be launched has not been determined. Union and Angara not to offer. The latter is tested simply for the ability to take off.

They themselves named the carrier. PTK NP Orel will fly to the A5 at the end of 2023 from Vostochny. Tests will begin with him, including landing at various sites.

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There is not a word about the moon.

It happens.

Quote: JD1979

To train a crew, you need something to cook on and for what. We look above. There is no ready ship, or at least a ready-made avionics, no carrier. Is there a theory left?

Ballistics.

Quote: JD1979

Well, yes, for today it is "Eagle", but what will it be called in a couple of months ...

How?

Quote: JD1979

Serial production cycle - maybe a new one is being built since 2009.

The contract for the creation with the manufacturer was signed in October 2016. In general, everything is already there, it remains to collect.

[JD1979]

The landing site of the Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the Moon has been chosen

Have you already chosen what to fly on?

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Quote: JD1979

Have you already chosen what to fly on?

PTK NP "Eagle". Here we are talking about the landing of his return vehicle.

[Pavel57]

And Kazakhstan seems to have nothing to do with.

[Falcon5555]

Earlier, the state corporation said that before the flight to the moon, an experimental imitation of it would be carried out, which would last several months.

- Russia has a lot of experience in this matter. To imitate in a closed room for a different number of years - more and more imitators.

[kuzimka]

Daragie rassiyane, you yourself are not ashamed to read such nonsense? This is just the limit of mockery of common sense ... But with the stubbornness of a killer, you will continue to study and comment on such gems of poor idiots, and unanimously admire getting up from your knees and breakthroughs in space ... Why no one in the country can ask Roscosmos, Where is the money coming and what are the results?

[Gennady Fomkin]

I see some experts gathered here Apparently you can see better from the sofa

[Klingon]

Yes, everyone was just fed up with this nonsense uttered by a trampoline clown.
He has every praise, so a new anecdote. Yuri Vladimirovich is already resting

[Kushka]

E-mine, they still have work to do:
you also need to define a hairdresser,
where the cosmonauts will be tonsured (well, do not show
their people overgrown with bodula) and
some kind of tavern to find nearby
(hungry) and a photographer ...

[bobba94]

I read the comments and did not understand why everyone was so excited. It's just that someone on VO remembered the old proverb: "The chicken is in the nest, the egg is in (snapped), and we are already heating the frying pan"

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Quote: bobba94

and we are already heating the frying pan "

So we "warm" a lot of things. For example, we are completing the installation of a thermal vacuum chamber for the pre-flight of a new spacecraft at the cosmodrome:

[Revival]

In order not to ... in a very different time, I propose to urgently just land in the chosen place and ... how to announce about ...

[Karabin]

The Center for the Operation of Ground-Based Space Infrastructure Facilities (TSENKI) selected the landing site for Russian cosmonauts after the planned flight to the moon.

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This is undoubtedly a breakthrough! But don't be complacent and rest on your laurels. In the near future, it is necessary to find the landing site after the Mars mission.

[Aleks2000]

ha ha ha.
reads like an anecdote.

the first time, I remember, the landing was promised in 2015.
And the fate of the national projects befell her ...

The trampoline is small, not enough for everyone ...

[7,62x54]

Now, every year, at the site of the future landing, they will mow the grass and plant flowers. They will build a tribune for fiery speeches.
And they'll write off a yard or two for this case

[Glagol1]

Another fairy tale from Putin. In the space industry, 50 percent is stolen, and soon they will not reach the Gagarin orbit. Shame on the thieves destroying the Great Country ...

[Klingon]

is that a new joke from Rogozin? it's like digging the ground with a handle instead of a shovel
PS. Will anyone ever remove him from there? tired of all this shameful nonsense

[tolmachiev51]

"The first manned launch of the promising Orel spacecraft is scheduled for 2025." with such "chapters" as Rogozin. We will safely transfer to 2035 !!! From one "Vostochny" already sick, the Chinese are without "programs" and idle talk, already on Mars.

[Vadim237]

On Vostochny, now the second launch pad for the Angara A5 rocket is being completed, they will begin to build a launch pad for super-heavy missiles - and if you feel sick, put a basin next to you or sit by the toilet.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Klingon

Yes, everyone was just fed up with this nonsense uttered by a trampoline clown.
He has every praise, so a new anecdote. Yuri Vladimirovich is already resting

What's that to you? Will you personally go to implement the lunar program? We have put this at the head of the Ministry of Health, I ruined everything, I really can't

[fa2998]

Quote: credo

The landing area must be prepared in advance,

Well, that's it, we have done a big job! There is very little left - to finish the cosmodrome, build a rocket and a ship, prepare the crew. It's a trifling matter, the main thing is Rogozin has already chosen the site!

[Vlad5307]

Quote: credo

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Here, for sure, like Khoja Nasreddin)))
"We have hammered the peg, it remains to buy a donkey!"

That's right - a flight is considered successful only if there is a successful landing. The landing site must be prepared in advance, not at the last moment.

It's okay to plan activities for years ahead. But plans, and not only these, have someone to interfere, and the fact is that the implementation of these plans promotes technologies not only for space, but also for quite earthly plans. So you can laugh like a horse over sounding the plan, or you can do something to implement them. The plan requires a lot of resources, both monetary and material. Every plan involves different stages of its implementation. Failure at any stage inevitably shifts the deadline. There is nothing to laugh at - only worms and parasites live without a dream.