Estonian special operations forces have chosen the German rifle NK416

The Estonian Special Operations Forces (SSO) are switching to new small arms. According to the Estonian publication ERR, the command of the MTR has decided to replace the Heckler & Koch G-36 and USP pistols.

According to the newspaper, the servicemen of the Special Operations Command will be supplied with Heckler & Koch 416 (НК416) assault rifles and Glock 19 pistols, which will replace the Heckler & Koch G-36 assault rifles and USP pistols.

Weapon a spetsnaz must be distinguished by accuracy, reliability in difficult operating conditions, ease of maintenance and the ability to install additional devices on the machine. Based on these criteria, among many worthy samples, we chose the HK416

- said the head of the Special Operations Command of the Estonian Armed Forces, Marus Kuul.

He explained that Estonian special forces had previously used the German G-36 rifle and USP pistols during foreign missions in Afghanistan.

The HK416 is an automatic rifle created by Heckler & Koch based on the M4 carbine (in service with the American army). The key difference between the German assault rifle and the American prototype is the gas outlet system: the HK416 uses a short-stroke gas piston scheme, "borrowed" from the HK G36. The HK416 has been produced since 2004 and has several modifications with various barrel lengths, and is also produced in a semi-automatic version for the civilian market.

Comments

[Izotovp]

With the G-36 it is even more or less clear. How did the USP fail them?

[aars]

Quote: Izotovp

How the USP did not please them

Maybe .45 seemed overkill ...

[YOUR]

They have a Heckler-Koch USP pistol chambered for 9 * 19.
There are also versions of this pistol for other calibers, but the Estonians have the Para cartridge.
As a matter of fact, how many of those weapons are needed. If the platoon scratches, then for happiness. They rented armored personnel carriers from Naglicha when they decided to show their power in Mali. As many as four armored personnel carriers "Jackal"
You cannot look at this armored power without tears.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_Jackal_Armoured_Vehicle_is_put_through_it's_paces_in_the_desert_at_Camp_Bastion,_Afghanistan_MOD_45148137.jpg

[orionvitt]

Quote: YOUR

Without tears you will not look

But how loud, "special forces". A person who is not knowledgeable may be frightened.

[YOUR]

So what kind of army is there, but to be at the level of a hotz

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Izotovp

How did the USP fail them?

Unification, because Glock 19 is used by the police and border service, about 3000 pcs.
For myself, I would choose the Glock 19.

[krops777]

For myself, I would choose the Glock 19.

I support, I think that the performance characteristics of the Glock 19 are among the best.

[hhurik]

Why would an army have a striker without an external fuse? Increase the number of servicemen's asses shot as a result of careless handling?
Judging by the choice of weapons, these Estonians are experienced and knowledgeable people.

[rotmistr60]

Heckler & Koch is a well-established company in the arms market. Submachine guns of this company are in service with dozens of countries. And the fact that Estonians prefer German weapons is probably in their blood since WW2.

[Hunter 2]

Good rifle Heckler & Koch 416 (5.56 / 45), TsSN FSB - bought a batch at one time. The reviews are only positive, although personally I like the Heckler & Koch 417 chambered for 7.62 / 51.
Germans Perfectly finalized the American M 4.

[Dimide]

Uv.Okhotoved 2, question: - is not 7,62 / 51 redundant for an automatic rifle?

[Hunter 2]

Well, the Heckler & Koch 417 rifle is quite comfortable for shooting, but you're right - in fact, a light machine gun. But ... taking into account the latest global trends in increasing the caliber of hand-held small arms - The decision to use 7.62 / 51 is correct. Moreover, the cartridge itself is quite "comfortable" with excellent ballistics. The only drawback is the 20-round magazine and the amount of ammunition we carry.

[Dimide]

The spread in av / mode should be decent (relatively low weight + powerful cartridge)

[Hunter 2]

Actually, if on bipod, short - I liked it. A magazine of 20 rounds can be fired in one, very short burst
Singles - generally a Fairy Tale!

[Dimide]

In my opinion, a fully av / mode in a modern rifle is not needed. Cutoffs of three (five) rounds are enough, and let the machine guns create the density of fire

[tarabar]

They have this since the time of the Livonian Order, most likely.

[Lech from Android.]

How many weapons will be delivered to the Estonians?

[Flooding]

It seems that they began to call conscripts into the special forces as an experiment.
The first batch of 30 people. But that doesn't mean anything.
In the public domain, I found information only about linear parts.
https://www.kaitsen.ee/voennye-chasti/

[TermNachTer]

A couple of boxes of rifles and a couple of boxes of ammo))))

[evgen1221]

Something tells me that the spetsnaz forces should and must use any weapon suitable for the operation being carried out (a fork-star of death) and not only samples obtained by tender. Accordingly, there should be many different bullets, but not enough to the number of identical samples. (Why do 100 saboteurs 150 glocks of the same when they went to provide one blow with one ice ax)

[Victorio]

Since Estonia has one "enemy", and this is for sure the Russian Federation, it is not more logical for the SSO of this "power" to arm the Russian Federation with weapons. at the scene so to speak

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Victorio

it is not more logical to arm the SSO of this power with samples of weapons of the Russian Federation. at the scene so to speak

So they already sold everything Soviet to Ukraine.

[Flooding]

Quote: Victorio

Since Estonia has one "enemy", and this is for sure the Russian Federation, it is not more logical for the SSO of this "power" to arm the Russian Federation with weapons. at the scene so to speak

To defeat Estonia's only and main enemy, the easiest way would be to join it and try to do it from within.

[Victorio]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Victorio

Since Estonia has one "enemy", and this is for sure the Russian Federation, it is not more logical for the SSO of this "power" to arm the Russian Federation with weapons. at the scene so to speak

To defeat your only and main enemy of Estonia is easier all it would be to join it and try to do it from the inside.

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for the elite of this (and in the other two Baltic republics) country, the process itself is important in order to stay in power

[yehat2]

Is nk 416 a special forces weapon?
this is an ordinary army rifle

[user1212]

And what are special forces weapons?
And ... for some reason it seems to me that a German pilot with a stick is much more dangerous for the enemy than an Estonian commando with a 416th

[yehat2]

usually spetsnaz acts on a short-term basis - it does not need a weapon that fires flat for a kilometer
and bullets are used with a lower flight speed, with less ricochet.
more emphasis on silencers and short, well-controlled weapons like the Tavor or MP-5 modifications

[Flooding]

Quote: yehat2

usually spetsnaz acts on a short-term basis - it does not need a weapon that fires flat for a kilometer

Yes, if this is not a sniper, then, most likely, a short distance most closely corresponds to the specifics of spetsnaz actions.
Just think out loud.

[user1212]

Quote: yehat2

usually spetsnaz acts on a short-term basis - it does not need a weapon that fires flat for a kilometer

You have mixed army special forces and a policeman into a bunch, meanwhile, the weapons and uniforms of these units can be radically different. In the army, depending on the task and the theater of operations, of course, the volume and weight of ammunition, medicine, food and water are significantly higher, the requirements for the resiliency of weapons, the quality of clothing are significantly higher (if the personnel rub everything they can on the very first day, then the exit groups can be terminated immediately). Even the fitness requirements are different. It's easier for a policeman in some moments. It is most often delivered to the battlefield by transport, you can not really care about food and water (at least not for 5 days to carry with you), again there is where to replenish the BC. You can indulge in all sorts of nonsense, like a shotgun, drag something on yourself is not far and the battle distance is minimal

Quote: yehat2

and bullets are used with a lower flight speed, with less ricochet.

Again, everything is in a heap. US and PRS cartridges are still different. They are united only by poor penetration of obstacles / armor

Quote: yehat2

more emphasis on silencers and short, well-controlled weapons like the Tavor or MP-5 modifications

Leave toys to children

[yehat2]

yes, I was only talking about the police.
I wonder if there is a difference in equipping weapons such as grenades and other pyrotechnics between ordinary infantry and army special forces? Are there any norms for this?

[voyaka uh]

Army SWAT is simply an elite infantry unit. For important assignments.
People are carefully selected for it, they cook longer.
They need both rifles and machine guns. And grenade launchers.
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There is a police special forces. Their weapons are really different.

[Ros 56]

Here is the life of the Chukhonts, the geyropa plows, and with this for free, as well as in the Soviet Union, they also give weapons. Lyapota, however, on occasion, they will be the first to shovel.

[yehat2]

Quote: tihonmarine

would choose a Glock 19.

and why?
why, for example, not FN 57?

[Prisoner]

Not a bad choice, even a good one. Only this pleasure is certainly not cheap.

[carstorm 11]

How many special forces do they have?) A couple of platoons?)

[Prisoner]

It is truth too. The spetsnaz office is not massive.

[Dimide]

I watched the survival test NK-416, it is impressive, at the level of Kalashmat. I think it is unnecessary to talk about the accuracy of shooting in auto / mode.

[yehat2]

Quote: Captive

It is truth too. The spetsnaz office is not massive.

anyone can call themselves special forces
but there are very few of those who can really train and maintain special forces.

[fa2998]

Quote: yehat2

- he does not need a weapon that fires flat for a kilometer
and bullets are used with a lower flight speed, with less ricochet.

He needs a variety of weapons, and the fighter himself chooses which one he needs based on today's tasks. I think there are 5-7 barrels for each (except for a sniper).
The RS rifle is good, but the Estonian Special Forces is not a market. A couple of hundred at the most.

[Wolf]

Why didn't you choose this one? An interesting AP, caliber 5,45 and 7,62 x39. An automatic cannon just for spetsnaz. If it is only for spetsnaz why not try it in 6,5mm x39mm caliber? Bullet ballistic is much better than 5,56 and 7,62, at a long distance it is EXACT as a sniper, and the kinetic energy of a bullet exceeds 5,56 and 7,62 mm.

[Wolf]

Novi caliber is a problem, but if the AP is only for the special force and if their striking power should be at a high level and if everything is put on paper how much does the specialist's irradiation cost and how much time is needed for training, then does it cost money? Such an AP will easily cover all NATOs in 5,56 and 7,62 calibers and at long ranges, the fighter will be about 30% more effective than the NATO fighter. ?

[Wolf]

Eats small differences between PP and Barnaul 6,5mm x39mm

[Wolf]

Top 7,62x39mm

[Wolf]

Then PP 6,5x39 and at the bottom of the BPZ 6,5x39mm

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Estonian special operations forces have chosen the German rifle NK416

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