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The creation of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei" is suspended

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The creation of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei" is suspended

The creation of the Russian Yenisei super-heavy launch vehicle has been suspended indefinitely. This was announced by the head of the Progress Rocket and Space Center Dmitry Baranov.


According to Baranov, work on the Yenisei will be continued after a decision is made to correct the missile's appearance. Presumably, it will take several months, and work will resume no earlier than the middle of this year.

The situation here is quite complicated ... Today it is possible to correct its appearance, so now this issue has not yet been fully resolved. It is possible to correct the technical appearance of the rocket. So now the work, I would say, is paused. We are ready to continue working after the appropriate decision is made. I think this is a matter of several months, I would say so, until the middle of this year

- said the head of the RCC "Progress".

Earlier in January, the RAS Space Council recommended postponing the creation of the Yenisei super-heavy booster rocket to revise its design. It was stated that instead of the current technology, the rocket will use new technical solutions.

It was proposed to adjust the space program, and to use the "Angara" launch vehicles for flights to the Moon.

The beginning of the creation of the first modules for Yenisei was announced last spring. As the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin explained, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products. The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

The declared missile carrying capacity is 88 tons, it will be able to provide the launch of a manned transport ship weighing 20 tons into the polar near-moon orbit. It is supposed to use the Yenisei for flights to the moon, including for the delivery of astronauts to the earth's satellite.
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  1. Evil543
    Evil543 11 February 2021 07: 54
    +24
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all? am
    1. dml9
      dml9 11 February 2021 07: 56
      +24
      Definitely he should be sitting in a different place ...
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 08: 04
        +29
        Quote: dml9
        Definitely he should be sitting in a different place ...

        And not alone, but in the company of our "best people". Chubais, Grefs, Siluanovs, "heroes of labor" Rotenbergs, etc.
        1. Civil
          Civil 11 February 2021 08: 30
          +2
          launching a manned transport vehicle weighing 20 tons into a polar circumlunar orbit

          Where where ... there are no words about such a meaningless statement ...
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 11 February 2021 11: 16
            +10
            Or maybe not everything is so bad and Rogozin is just right? I'm not a fan of Rogozin, rather the opposite, but let's look at the crux of the matter.
            1. The development of the Yenisei did not begin under Rogozin, and the most conservative decisions were immediately introduced into the program.
            2. Proposals for the suspension were made not by Roskosmos, but by the Russian Academy of Sciences - and, it seems, were supported by Roskosmos as well.
            3. The reason for the suspension is the desire to implement economically and technically justified innovations, in particular, to replace the oxygen-kerosene pair with an oxygen-methane pair with a higher specific impulse and ensure reusability, as well as unify with the family of rockets with oxygen-methane engines.
            Isn't it worth a few months of delay?
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 11 February 2021 12: 06
              +20
              What kind of reusability are we talking about? Does the RK have at least its concept? Are the engines on the first reusable stage? Is there a layout diagram? There is nothing. Except for words.
              As for the superheavy, the position of Roscosmos is already causing frank laughter.
              What is the Yenisei? This is a bunch of "sausages" on the first stage of 5-6 Soyuz-5 units with RD-171MV + the second stage with a unit on RD-171MV (or RD-180?) + The third stage from Angara-A5V (you must understand, hydrogen). Some little things do not bother RK. For example, the fact that Soyuz-5 also does not exist in nature, it must first be done, and for this it is necessary, again, to reincarnate Zenith first (the task is not as simple as it seems at first glance). Moreover, such a formulation of the question immediately completely rejects the very idea of ​​reusability for purely technical reasons.
              Or the fact that Russia today does not have decent working hydrogen plants, they also need to be done, and this is an even more difficult task.
              By the way, have they already started building the SK on Vostochny near the Yenisei? Or will the SC for him be built near Tsiolkovsk? And we will have the good fortune to watch the continuation of the epic with the East, only in another place? With new cuts, theft, planting, etc.?
              But RK is already cheerfully reporting and taking money for development. The development of what is unclear. Who, for example, will trample the long-suffering KK Federation-Eagle into the lunar orbit, which they also cannot bring to mind? Enisey? On the not yet made Soyuz-5?
              Or is it already the prerogative of Angara with any indexes "M", "B", "P" and further down the list? So even the basic version of the A5 has not come out of the test stages. And no one knows when it will be released.
              But Don is already in development!
              This, it turns out, will be super-heavy, but super-heavy. 125-130 tons and 32 tons in orbits. How! You can get jealous. True, some little things are confusing. Don is a modification of the Yenisei. Which is not yet. The Yenisei will be made on the basis of the Union-5. Which is also not yet.
              In fact, there is nothing yet. But the locks at the future lunar station of the Gatewey project, according to the requirement of the Republic of Kazakhstan, must be made to Russian standards today. On what grounds? Probably, the project management also asked this question and refused to participate in Russia at all.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 12 February 2021 10: 52
                +1
                Another breakthrough of the bottom by Sawpilkosmos. An utter disgrace.
              2. Maxim Zhuravlev_2
                Maxim Zhuravlev_2 2 March 2021 21: 43
                0
                What is the Yenisei? This is a bunch of "sausages" in the first stage from

                I will correct it, this is Amur-5. Yenisei-5 is Energy converted into peaceful space.
            2. Civil
              Civil 11 February 2021 12: 11
              -1
              Quote: astepanov
              Or maybe not everything is so bad and Rogozin is just right? I'm not a fan of Rogozin, rather the opposite, but let's look at the crux of the matter.

              The problem is not so much in Rogozin, but in the attitude. When any reform of the space sector simply legitimizes its degradation, reducing the number of production workers and, accordingly, removing funding for projects.
              Well, it's ridiculous to actually demand something from Rogozin, knowing about the average salary of 35 rubles in production.
              And the staff there remained corresponding to the level of wages.
              Guest workers from Central Asia, as in construction, cannot be filled.
            3. slipped
              slipped 11 February 2021 12: 35
              +3
              Quote: astepanov
              2. Proposals for the suspension were made not by Roskosmos, but by the Russian Academy of Sciences - and, it seems, were supported by Roskosmos as well.


              The document, based on the results of the RAS meeting, just says that the proposals were made by Roscosmos.
              1. Civil
                Civil 11 February 2021 14: 59
                +4
                And where is the news:

                Today, February 9, 2021, at about 19:00 Moscow time, the Al-Amal (Nadezhda) probe entered orbit around the Red Planet. This is reported on the mission's official Twitter.

                Al Amal is a project of the United Arab Emirates. And this is the first interplanetary probe belonging to any Arab state. Vesti.Ru spoke in detail about its tasks and capabilities.

                Let us briefly recall that the purpose of the spacecraft is to study the Martian atmosphere from orbit. The mission does not have a lander that could reach the surface of Mars.
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 11 February 2021 16: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Civil
                  Today, February 9, 2021, at about 19:00 Moscow time, the Al-Amal (Nadezhda) probe entered orbit around the Red Planet.

                  AND? Whose host was it? Don't you think it was built by the sheikhs?
                  1. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 11 February 2021 18: 14
                    +10
                    The native speaker is Japanese.
                    But you are not confused by the fact that the sheikh spacecraft is already in the orbit of Mars?
                    While the spacecraft of Russia still cannot even reach the Moon?
                    Meanwhile, the contract for the creation of the Moon-25 between the Republic of Kazakhstan and NPO named after Lavochkin was signed back in January 2013.
                    1. slipped
                      slipped 11 February 2021 20: 59
                      -6
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      The native speaker is Japanese.
                      But you are not confused by the fact that the sheikh spacecraft is already in the orbit of Mars?


                      We are not confused. laughing We have four years of spacecraft in Mars orbit, which we use successfully. We are just exploring the atmosphere of Mars.

                      Quote: Cosm22
                      While the spacecraft of Russia still cannot even reach the Moon?


                      Spectr-RG is located almost a million kilometers beyond the orbit of the Moon.

                      Quote: Cosm22
                      Meanwhile, the contract for the creation of the Moon-25 between the Republic of Kazakhstan and NPO named after Lavochkin was signed back in January 2013.


                      This year it is already flying.
                      1. Cosm22
                        Cosm22 11 February 2021 21: 30
                        +8
                        Oh!
                        The opponent has drawn!
                        And what without the usual pictures, some quotes? This time they took up an insulting little space. I begin to worry.
                        1. If we mean the ExoMars AMS project, then there is no need to modestly hush up the fact that this is a joint mission with ESA.
                        2. The same applies to the Spectrum. Otherwise, German experts from the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics and ART-XC, who created the eRosita telescope, will be unhappy.
                        3. Already flying? Have you personally watched the flight with binoculars from the balcony? Or does the phrase still need to be interpreted in the future tense familiar to Roscosmos? Really, in the eighth year, the Republic of Kazakhstan was honored to blind the apparatus? So, it's a small matter - to quickly find a free RN? Or is it worth contacting Musk? He is a sympathetic guy, he will quickly throw up to the lunar orbit, he will not take it dearly.
                      2. slipped
                        slipped 11 February 2021 21: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Oh!
                        The opponent has drawn!
                        And what without the usual pictures, some quotes?


                        You are not my opponent. And the video and photo are below.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        This time they took up an insulting little space. I begin to worry.


                        Are you already used to it? I understand that reading the truth is easy and pleasant.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        1. If we mean the ExoMars AMS project, then there is no need to modestly hush up the fact that this is a joint mission with ESA.


                        Of course joint. So it is directly written on the official website:

                        "The agreement provides for the full participation of Russian scientists and engineers in all international scientific and technical groups that are created within the framework of the ExoMars project, as well as equal rights of Russian and European project participants to scientific data. Russia participates in the launch of spacecraft and in the scientific program. both phases of the project. "

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        2. The same applies to the Spectrum. Otherwise, German experts from the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics and ART-XC, who created the eRosita telescope, will be unhappy.


                        In my answer above, we are talking about the Russian platform "Navigator", which successfully delivered scientific instruments of Russia and Germany beyond the orbit of the Moon.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        3. Already flying? Have you personally watched the flight with binoculars from the balcony? Or does the phrase still need to be interpreted in the future tense familiar to Roscosmos?


                        Probably Russian is not your native language. Well, it happens, then I'll open the topic shirshe - it is preparing for launch in October. Is it clear now?

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Really, in the eighth year, the Republic of Kazakhstan was honored to blind the apparatus? So, it's a small matter - to quickly find a free RN?


                        Why look for her? belay The rocket has been ordered long ago.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Or is it worth contacting Musk? He is a sympathetic guy, he will quickly throw up to the lunar orbit, he will not take it dearly.


                        Do you still have local maskophilia? laughing
                2. Kildin
                  Kildin 11 February 2021 18: 19
                  +2
                  The native speaker is Japanese, why?
                3. Civil
                  Civil 12 February 2021 06: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: astepanov
                  AND? Whose host was it? Don't you think it was built by the sheikhs?

                  Really Rogozin built ?! lol
        2. slipped
          slipped 11 February 2021 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          Where where ... there are no words about such a meaningless statement ...


          This is because you don’t know. laughing Where was water ice found on the moon? At the poles.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 11 February 2021 08: 30
        -12%
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        "heroes of labor" rotenberg

        But don't touch Rotenberg. The kid said, the kid did. For the rest - I agree, everyone should receive according to their deeds.

        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 11 February 2021 08: 53
          +22
          Quote: Boris55
          The kid said, the kid did. For the rest - I agree, everyone should receive according to their deeds.

          Each "kid" has to steal a billion, build a bridge and plant a major son.
          1. U-58
            U-58 11 February 2021 09: 02
            +7
            Exactly! Otherwise, he is not a kid at all))))
          2. Dodikson
            Dodikson 11 February 2021 09: 50
            +1
            and where did Rothenberg put his son?
            1. mvg
              mvg 11 February 2021 11: 41
              +7
              I played in Lokomotiv, about a couple of times a year, now in Sochi. The soul of the company, in the dressing room.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 11 February 2021 11: 42
                0
                and what public office does he (Rotenberg's son) occupy?
                is he a minister? the head of a state corporation? head of department? maybe he is the governor?
                I'm talking about the fact that he does not need a state position either.
                and some write that they are all warming up in government positions
              2. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 11 February 2021 12: 04
                +1
                Quote: mvg
                The soul of the company, in the dressing room.

                Exactly! At least on the bench, but plant it!
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 11 February 2021 21: 26
              +2
              Have you heard about Plato? It was specially created for the son of Rottenberg (the boy has grown up, it's time to earn money). Proof, for example https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2868298
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 12 February 2021 09: 00
                -5
                and, well, since Komersant wrote it is true. vaistenu.
                He's such a merchant, he won't lie.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 12 February 2021 20: 39
                  0
                  The merchant wrote that this is true. vaistenu
                  Try to sue them for slandering a respected person.
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 13 February 2021 10: 51
                    -2
                    in the merchant wrote that the Lechaim was an anal oppositionist and his bloody special services were poisoned by Novichok.
                    and what? have they sued a lot?
                    or really the fesy lechaim travanul newbie?
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 13 February 2021 18: 10
                      0
                      Don't like Kommersant? Google on the phrase "Plato Rottenberg" and choose any other edition.
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 27
            -2
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Every "kid" should

            sitting and whining about what the bad guys are upstairs, dreaming to take their place and doing nothing.
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 12 February 2021 20: 40
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              sitting and whining about what the bad guys are upstairs, dreaming to take their place and doing nothing.
              Wow, calls for the overthrow of the government! Aren't you afraid of what will be attracted?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 12 February 2021 21: 05
                -1
                Quote: bk0010
                Wow, calls for the overthrow of the government!

                There is no portrait of those who whine about what kind of power we have.
                1. bk0010
                  bk0010 13 February 2021 08: 54
                  0
                  So tell the prosecutor
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 13 February 2021 10: 02
                    -1
                    Quote: bk0010
                    So to the prosecutor

                    If required.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 09: 22
          +5
          Quote: Boris55
          But don't touch Rotenberg. The kid said, the kid did. For the rest - I agree

          How did you study at school? The epigraph to Nekrasov's poem "Railroad" remind? Or will you reread it yourself?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 11 February 2021 09: 27
            -7
            Express yourself more clearly and do not offend our heroes.
            Everything is relative.

            1. YOUR
              YOUR 11 February 2021 09: 57
              +9
              Why compare them, the team is one.
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 11 February 2021 10: 45
              +9
              no need to offend our heroes.
              I once also built a bridge like this

              but I keep a social distance from Rotenberg. I don't have billions.
            3. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 12: 29
              +6
              Quote: Boris55
              ... do not offend our heroes.

              These are your heroes, for me they are ordinary thieves who received their assets either as a result of thieves' privatization or because of the proximity to the body of "Solntselikiy". I have completely different heroes of labor.
              Quote: Boris55
              Express yourself more clearly

              Vanya (in a coachman's jacket).
              Dad! who built this road?
              Daddy (in a coat with a red lining)
              Count Peter Andreevich Kleinmichel, darling!
              Conversation in the car
              This is an epigraph to Nekrasov's poem "Railroad", can you read it yourself? True, this is very different from your picture of the world, but fundamentally, nothing has changed since then.
            4. slipped
              slipped 11 February 2021 12: 38
              -2
              Quote: Boris55
              Express yourself more clearly and do not offend our heroes.
              Everything is relative.


              Really. lol

        3. AUL
          AUL 11 February 2021 09: 39
          +17
          Quote: Boris55
          But don't touch Rotenberg. The kid said, the kid did.

          Don't you remember what the initial estimate of this project was, and how much this "kid" really raked up?
          When the construction site was half finished yetpublished its costs have already exceeded the planned estimate by more than 6 times. Then such data ceased to be voiced. One can only guess how much more expensive this bridge was than promised.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 11 February 2021 09: 59
            -17%
            Quote: AUL
            Don't you remember what the initial estimate for this project was

            No difference. This project could not be carried out either under the tsars or under the communists. The fact that the price has increased is "thanks" to the green (agents of the State Department). What interests me is that one was able and the other was not. Our opponents had to ruin both one and the other, and now guess from three times who works for our enemies, and who for the interests of Russia? Hint: I'm for someone who works for the interests of Russia, and you?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 11 February 2021 10: 49
              +17
              neither under the kings nor under the communists
              Let me tell you a secret, just shh. to anyone. So under the tsars and under the communists, Kherson was ours and the bridge was not needed, but now in the Kremlin, a people of non-brothers was created.
            2. mvg
              mvg 11 February 2021 11: 46
              +9
              This project could not be carried out either under the kings or under the communists

              He was not needed nafik under the communists.
              Did Borya build it himself? Design, construction work .. The project, with the participation of foreigners, the budget is significantly exaggerated. The minimum tender wins, then the budget increases significantly.
            3. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 13: 51
              +9
              Quote: Boris55
              The fact that the price has increased is "thanks" to the green (agents of the State Department).

              Just out of curiosity I ask, why is the State Department to blame for all your troubles? According to your comments, he is some kind of almighty, next to him and Satan seems to be a child. Raised the retirement age, or, for example, sold "Massandra" for a penny, did it all the same insidious State Department arranged?
          2. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 11 February 2021 10: 03
            -15%
            Winners are not judged.
            And in general, the topic came up that we cannot transfer ships across our territory between theaters (from the Baltic to the Pacific Ocean, for example) - this is how canals must be built. Kama-Ob for a start.
            Stalin also failed, as did the Crimean bridge. Rotenberg can.
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 29
            -11%
            Quote: AUL
            Don't you remember what the initial estimate of this project was, and how much this "kid" really raked up?

            Oh really? So enlighten us. I just have to warn you that the estimate is when a working project is created, and not various preliminary sketches in the spirit of "build for so much ... no for so much ..." So how much was the real budget exceeded?
          4. ultra
            ultra 11 February 2021 11: 43
            -1
            Quote: AUL
            When the construction was still half completed, the published costs were already more than 6 times the planned estimate.

            As far as I remember, the price was announced at 200-250 billion rubles, for a total of 227,5 billion rubles.
            1. AUL
              AUL 11 February 2021 13: 17
              +6
              https://youtu.be/fWQ86QYxvYU
              And it started with 25 billion ...
              for a total of 227,5 billion - you say? No, in 17 it was estimated at 1.1 trillion rubles! But in reality, how much it turned out - one Rotenberg knows!
              1. ultra
                ultra 11 February 2021 13: 20
                +4
                This is not me, but the Ministry of Finance. Your link is not working.
              2. AUL
                AUL 11 February 2021 13: 35
                +3
                Sorry, the wrong link was inserted! Type in the search "How the price of the Crimean bridge grew" - you will obviously be surprised! Official data from durovizor!
              3. Vadim237
                Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 20
                -2
                "And it started with 25 billion ..." Did you come up with this figure yourself?
          5. ultra
            ultra 11 February 2021 13: 24
            +2
            Quote: AUL
            Don't you remember what the initial estimate for this project was

            And what was the estimate ?: wassat
            1. AUL
              AUL 11 February 2021 18: 35
              +1
              Type in the search "How the price of the Crimean bridge grew"
              Don't be lazy!
              1. ultra
                ultra 11 February 2021 21: 28
                +3
                I followed the construction closely, initially the amount of $ 250 billion appeared.
          6. Strannik96
            Strannik96 11 February 2021 14: 07
            +1
            Almost all projects have different input and output costs, new difficulties are revealed during the work. The bridge was built on time and with high quality, no need to guess - all that remains is to use and enjoy
        4. rjpthju
          rjpthju 11 February 2021 11: 04
          -1
          Yes ... the kid did ... True, the estimate increased several times ...
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 22
            0
            Nothing there has increased as it was initially in the region of 220-250 billion rubles, so it remained within these limits.
        5. Israel
          Israel 12 February 2021 11: 42
          -1
          I do not want to seem boastful, but in general, any more or less educated and competent person with a little bit of experience in management and communication, would have coped no worse, under the same conditions of state funding.
      3. syndicalist
        syndicalist 11 February 2021 08: 57
        -1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        etc.

        To the very top
      4. 72jora72
        72jora72 11 February 2021 09: 24
        +9
        Chubais, Grefs, Siluanovs, "heroes of labor" Rotenbergs, etc.
        Why did you stop at listing? And where is the final surname ??
        1. BIABIA
          BIABIA 11 February 2021 10: 25
          +7
          And everyone knows her anyway ...
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 12: 33
          +3
          hi
          Quote: 72jora72
          And where is the last name ??

          Is it that important, Colleague? The system gave birth to him, without changing the system, nothing will change.
      5. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 11 February 2021 14: 18
        +4
        Damn, he needs a lot of people in the company so that it is not boring.
      6. Israel
        Israel 12 February 2021 11: 41
        +1
        You will agree so that you yourself should also be assigned to this company)
    2. iouris
      iouris 11 February 2021 12: 27
      -2
      Are you offering to bring him back to Brussels?
  2. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 11 February 2021 07: 59
    +7
    Quote: Evil543
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all? am

    But who will put him in prison (Rogozin), he is already a living monument ..... like Serdyukov and Chubai .....
  3. tralmaster
    tralmaster 11 February 2021 08: 19
    0
    If he was sitting .......? .........
  4. Zug
    Zug 11 February 2021 09: 06
    +5
    Well, maybe there is a justified reason to suspend construction, if there is an opportunity to expand the missile's potential? There is nothing wrong in a half-year pause ...
  5. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 February 2021 09: 36
    +3
    Quote: Evil543
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all? am

    And what does Rogozin have to do with it? It is not he who defines the "technical appearance of the rocket".
    Who would explain to me what is hidden behind these words.
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju 11 February 2021 11: 12
      -3
      He, as a leader, is responsible for the general organization of work, the distribution of leading personnel (general designers, leading managers ...). For example, his son, who was barely pushed away from IL (he really does not belong to Roscosmos, but there is only one gang of watering cans, they help each other out. There is no time for efficiency).
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 February 2021 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: rjpthju
        He, as a manager, is responsible for the general organization of work

        Nope. He creates conditions for those who determine the "technical appearance of the rocket", well, yes, and, of course, "selects and places personnel." But it does not define the "technical appearance" in any way.
        And I agree with you, it would be better if he, as an outstanding journalist, headed the editorial office of the Murzilka magazine. There was such a magazine when I went to first grade.
    2. slipped
      slipped 11 February 2021 21: 56
      +1
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Who would explain to me what is hidden behind these words.


      Preliminary project.
  6. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 11 February 2021 09: 49
    -1
    He should not sit, but walk around the plot and fell trees
    1. dSK
      dSK 11 February 2021 10: 05
      -2
      Cooperation with the United States in space ends, this year China will begin to cost its ISS, maybe it would be better to "cooperate" with them and send our Science module there? The old ISS has already begun to "pour in" ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 11 February 2021 10: 11
        -2
        And send a joint expedition to the moon - on the same "ship" the descent vehicle and our and the Chinese cosmonaut. The second is the returned one. After the start from the Moon - docking and return to the ground of the joint crew. For each country, the expedition would cost 2 times cheaper ...
        1. Reader 2013
          Reader 2013 11 February 2021 12: 41
          +1
          You can not take the Chinese back
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 12 February 2021 10: 03
            0
            Quote: Citelle 2013
            You can not take the Chinese back

            Well, you, with your jokes, destroyed the space cooperation that was being created. The Chinese, after reading this, took it as our secret plan. laughing
      2. rjpthju
        rjpthju 11 February 2021 11: 14
        +4
        It's a shame ... We've survived ... We don't know anymore to whom we would stick to ... I propose to the Papuans. At least we will feel smart there ...
        1. Strannik96
          Strannik96 11 February 2021 14: 09
          -3
          You talk to yourself and stick to whoever you want
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 11 February 2021 10: 29
      0
      Quote: 7,62x54
      He should not sit, but walk around the plot and fell trees

      Everyone can fell trees, but let him walk through the forest and collect fallen trees, otherwise you will not get through! And there will be more benefits!
      1. rjpthju
        rjpthju 11 February 2021 11: 16
        -1
        So, it will still have to be proved that it is deadwood ... Otherwise, it will organize a business again, sell business timber under the guise of deadwood.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 11 February 2021 11: 19
          +1
          Quote: rjpthju
          And then again he organizes business, sell timber under the guise of dead wood.

          Is he a businessman ?! Judging by the publications concerning him, he is just a balabol!
  7. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 February 2021 10: 06
    -1
    Quote: Evil543
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all?

    yes
    Quote: dml9
    Definitely he should be sitting in a different place ...

    good
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And not alone, but in the company of our "best people". Chubais, Grefs, Siluanovs, "heroes of labor" Rotenbergs, etc.

    fellow
    There is one correct solution. Once we read:
    The creation of the Russian Yenisei super-heavy carrier rocket has been suspended indefinitely.

    for exactly the same time, it is necessary to suspend the payment of wages and limit its minimum wage.
    You look - something will change.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 February 2021 10: 36
    -2
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all?
    How wicked you are
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  10. Roman070280
    Roman070280 11 February 2021 11: 34
    +3
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all?

    Whoever put him there does not think so ..
  11. Cosm22
    Cosm22 11 February 2021 12: 54
    +4
    Anyone can be put in Rogozin's place, the effect will be the same given the existing bureaucratic system and the amount of funding.
    But Rogozin is clearly out of place. This person does not understand the specifics of the industry.
    He does not even know what exactly and in what quantity is under his command.
    So, on the air of the TV channel "Russia 24" Rogozin said at the end of last year that the Russian civilian orbital group has 96 devices.
    At the same time, the state corporation itself announced another figure - 99 civil satellites.
  12. lis-ik
    lis-ik 11 February 2021 19: 19
    +1
    Quote: Evil543
    Maybe Rogozin is not sitting there after all? am

    Not only Rogozin. It is unlikely that anything will change under the temporary workers.
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 11 February 2021 07: 55
    +3
    It's sad, to be honest - they would have done less tryndels. hi
    1. Evil543
      Evil543 11 February 2021 07: 57
      +3
      This was 70 years ago. Everyone found out in the morning from the newspapers.
      1. askort154
        askort154 11 February 2021 08: 10
        +15
        Evil543 .....This was 70 years ago. Everyone found out in the morning from the newspapers.

        Only a "slight" difference. Then they already reported about a fait accompli, and now they are starting to PR from the moment of design
        and sounding the terms, which then constantly shift "to the right". The result is - tongue ! hi
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 11 February 2021 08: 11
          +3
          So I'm talking about that hi
      2. A1845
        A1845 11 February 2021 09: 50
        +3
        60 years ago there was an attempt to switch from the Union to N-1 (about 70 tons per LEO), now nothing new.
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  • rocket757
    rocket757 11 February 2021 07: 56
    +7
    So there is nothing unusual ... changes are made even during the manufacture of the product, if necessary!
    It's just that the topic of space is painfully nervous, here ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 February 2021 07: 59
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      It's just that the topic of space is painfully nervous, here ...

      This is because there is little to be proud of .. and now there are problems with space ..
      1. mark1
        mark1 11 February 2021 08: 35
        +11
        Good morning! The problems with space began 25 years ago! Almost simultaneously with the country's problems.
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 11 February 2021 09: 01
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        and now there are problems with space ..

        those in the know say that there is a trumpet with ballet
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 11 February 2021 09: 21
          +2
          Remarkable is the fact that in the song about rockets and ballet, we blocked the Yenisei. Coincidence?
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 11 February 2021 09: 31
            -3
            But we are doing Unions, but we have blocked the Yenisei.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 11 February 2021 10: 12
            -2
            Quote: Evil543
            Remarkable is the fact that in the song about rockets and ballet, we blocked the Yenisei. Coincidence?

            Fuck knows, but here's a parody of Alexander Grigor:
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 11 February 2021 09: 19
        +1
        Reasoningly, it is worth recognizing that what we have lost can / should be returned. If not all, then a lot, fundamental!
        We still ARE!
        What needs to be done has long been known and described, it is necessary to take it and ..... in general, you need to put a LOT of effort, but there is no other way.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 February 2021 09: 21
          -3
          Quote: rocket757
          What needs to be done has long been known and described, it is necessary to take it and ..... in general, you need to put a LOT of effort, but there is no other way.

          People need to be assigned professionals and there should be responsibility for failures. I think this is the main thing. In general, the areas where we are not far behind should be under the most close control and they need to be developed in the first place .. otherwise the last will be lost that the USSR left ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 February 2021 10: 09
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            People need to be assigned professionals and responsibility for failures should be. I think this is the main thing.

            This is as an option to modernize / improve the existing system.
            Do you believe that the current RULING CLASS will upgrade / change anything fundamental ???
            As the classics say ..... this cannot be!
      4. Threaded screw
        Threaded screw 11 February 2021 09: 21
        +4
        Vladimir, with all due respect, do you ever take a break from the internet?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 February 2021 09: 35
          +1
          Quote: Threaded Screw
          Vladimir, with all due respect, do you ever take a break from the internet?

          I don’t consider this a job to have a rest .. to express your own thoughts, on some things, is not at all difficult .. if they are, of course.
      5. Interlocutor
        Interlocutor 11 February 2021 11: 22
        +2
        Be proud of people. There are many hard workers.
      6. Strannik96
        Strannik96 11 February 2021 14: 15
        +1
        Judging by the comments, really - one grumbling, that's nothing to be proud of. And they will deal with space, with space there have always been difficulties and will be
  • kenig1
    kenig1 11 February 2021 07: 58
    +7
    It was stated that instead of the current technologies, new technical solutions will be used in the rocket.
    Did these technical solutions suddenly fall from the moon?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 February 2021 08: 03
      +4
      Did these technical solutions suddenly fall from the moon?
      No, it was inspired by music. Journalists are so ... creative people. Even inventive.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 21
      -2
      Quote: kenig1
      technical solutions suddenly

      Why suddenly? There is a constant process of technical development. The fact is that such complex products as missiles consist of a mass of simpler ones that are assembled into a single system. In general, the picture looks like this:
      The counterparty reports:
      "At the time of the start of work, I had this and that, but during this time I developed this and this, and I am ready to deliver them if there is an order."
      Well, those responsible for the project as a whole begin to think:
      "Is it necessary to introduce a new one, or is it already impractical, because it will require too much rework
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 11 February 2021 08: 35
        +3
        Quote: Dart2027
        The counterparty reports:

        And a month later the next counterparty reports.
        Quote: Dart2027
        Well, those responsible for the project as a whole begin to think:

        And they continue to do this until retirement ...
        Quote: Dart2027
        because it will require too much rework

        So this is great! You can redo it once, then a second, then a hundred and two. For there is no limit to perfection, as well as the desire of "effective managers" to master funds, without giving the final result. yes
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 40
          0
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          And a month later the next counterparty reports.

          This also happens. Actually, this often becomes a problem, it is no coincidence that Shoigu ordered during the construction of corvettes at the ASZ that there were no ROC.
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          So this is great! You can redo it once, then a second, then a hundred and two. For there is no limit to perfection

          There must be a reasonable balance here, sometimes it really makes sense to make changes, and sometimes it's better to postpone it for the next episode.
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 11 February 2021 08: 48
            +3
            Quote: Dart2027
            There must be a reasonable balance

            The IVS had a reasonable balance, when those who like to get funding, and in return to give out beautiful fairy tales, were simply sent to clean the Arctic from snow. Well, or a little later, when such gifted people could easily be redirected from designing missiles to designing flush cisterns. And now the balance is extremely simple. Personally betrayed? Then the rudders. And what is stupid as a cork, and stealing into the bargain .... Little things in life, and the costs of the system. We don't need smart ones, we need faithful ones. yes
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 26
              -4
              Quote: Lannan Shi

              The IVS had a reasonable balance

              That is, there is nothing to argue.
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              And now the balance is extremely simple. Personally betrayed? Then the rudders. And what's dumb as a cork, and they steal into the bargain ...

              The same song about how everything is bad, everything is bad, etc. Just to start whining.
            2. Strannik96
              Strannik96 11 February 2021 14: 20
              0
              Where would you be under Stalin with discontent? Or if they wrote that he was looking for devotees personally? They would get there, where no expedition will find
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 11 February 2021 10: 31
      -1
      Quote: kenig1
      It was stated that instead of the current technologies, new technical solutions will be used in the rocket.
      Did these technical solutions suddenly fall from the moon?

      I don’t think that designers and developers themselves don’t do anything, but just sit and look at the moon, waiting for something to fall from there.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 11 February 2021 08: 02
    +6
    Everything is correct. First you need to write a song about a rocket. The text and rhyme will define the shape of the rocket. After that, the design will begin.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 11 February 2021 09: 38
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      The text and rhyme will define the shape of the rocket. After that, the design will begin.

      Let the Cord compose. All missiles will have a rocket.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 11 February 2021 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: sergo1914
        The text and rhyme will define the shape of the rocket. After that, the design will begin.

        Let the Cord compose. All missiles will have a rocket.


        Roskosmos has its own Cords ... Cords.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 11 February 2021 08: 06
    -1
    We will assume that some groundwork is not bad. The thrown mass is serious. Apparently the eggheads have come up with something really worthwhile to cram it into a new product. Or maybe they just work out foreign livers, slowing down the project. In any case, we will find out the details only after the resumption of work. Or not, we will never know.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 11 February 2021 08: 14
      +2
      The good news would be media coverage with the headline - Missile Trial. Similarly. And the defendants are 20 years old, felling or some other useful applied activity. For your edification.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 11 February 2021 08: 17
      -2
      It's just that the state did not give money and that's it
    3. Avior
      Avior 11 February 2021 09: 04
      +2
      And what kind of ground is there? Yes, and not bad?
      How is this "backlog" expressed?
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 11 February 2021 13: 50
        -4
        Quote: Avior
        And what kind of ground is there? Yes, and not bad?
        How is this "backlog" expressed?

        The fact that work on the superheavy is underway and partially completed. The fact that their implementation is real, but suspended due to some external circumstances beyond the developer's control.
        What is not clear then?
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 February 2021 15: 03
          +2
          What do you understand?
          It is unclear what work is going on, it is unclear how much it has been completed, it is unclear why it was stopped and how long it was stopped.
          What kind of groundwork you wrote and how it is expressed is also unclear.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 12 February 2021 00: 07
            -2
            Well ... so I understand that you are in the subject.
            No comment.
          2. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 12 February 2021 00: 17
            -1
            Who are you, in general, without a name and lmtsa? Dear?
            Is the underdog tuyere?
            Do you collect likes?
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 11 February 2021 08: 30
    +1
    It's time for dinner, and they are still feeding breakfast ... laughing
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 11 February 2021 08: 34
    +2
    the carrying capacity of the rocket is 88 tons, it will be able to ensure the launch of a manned transport vehicle weighing 20 tons into a polar circumlunar orbit. It is planned to use the Yenisei for flights to the moon, including for the delivery of astronauts to an earth satellite.

    Even to the grandchildren to read ... fairy tales from Roscosmos ...
  • mark1
    mark1 11 February 2021 08: 40
    +1
    the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products.

    This is interesting - they continue to develop the elements (Soyuz-5, Soyuz-6), but in a "handful" it turns out they will be assembled somehow not quite traditionally - in a special way. Intrigue however
  • Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 11 February 2021 08: 44
    +2
    Or maybe it's right that they suspended? There is a feeling that with the help of this hype about all sorts of lunar programs, Russia is being pulled into a "race of comic achievements." One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR is an attempt to catch up and overtake America in military achievements. Now, thanks to the Sarmatians, Armats and other Poseidons, this number does not work. And they come to Russia from the other side. Our people are mostly educated, and the issue of science and especially space is discussed with interest. And there is no "lunar revanchism". Let's catch up with America on the Moon !!! And for what??? We are not the first there anyway. And there still seems to be no military scientific justification for the need for a manned flight to the moon. Maybe, first, we will replace forty thousand spectacle sorting with warm closets and gradually introduce gas into each house? Otherwise, it turns out that billions are a pity for a new aircraft carrier, but so please for the moon.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 February 2021 09: 54
      -5
      no, not so much money is spent on space, and the Moon does not need to be noted there in order to extract useful resources, the mattresses are already drooling and they issued a law 2 years ago according to which private sharags can arrange mining there, and there seem to be a lot of them.
      hence the desire to stake out the most profitable areas and the development of heavy spacecraft for the delivery of goods from the Moon begins (it is clear that iron and even titanium are still unprofitable to bring from there, but there are enough isotopes that weigh little and it is not cheap to mine here)
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 33
      -3
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      Our people are mostly educated, and the issue of science and especially space is discussed with interest.

      What is remarkable now yes, but 20 years ago, everyone was ... in space, there were enough other worries.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 31
      -1
      The aircraft carrier will cost a trillion rubles - the same as the Yenisei with the launch pad and all the infrastructure for its construction and maintenance, it may be better to return to the concept of a fully reusable system, the first stage is reusable, and the second will be an aerospace plane capable of putting more than 100 tons of useful into orbit load demonstrator of the combined engine for such a device was shown back in 2016.
  • prior
    prior 11 February 2021 08: 44
    +3
    And we ask: "Where is the money, Zin?"
    - We drowned in the Yenisei.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 11 February 2021 08: 45
    +3
    On the Angara, to the Moon, it is only a four-start, even if with hydrogen. Perversion for a single flag, but no more. Further - or international cooperation and a super-heavy rocket, or the collapse of the entire shop.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 11 February 2021 12: 52
      -1
      It's time to cooperate with China, and in general it's time to connect partners to the Lunar Program! We are not alone, Central Asia can help with money, Usmanov alone is worth something) And so it will be super heavy and no one will fold the shop, it is too dangerous for safety, America can make great headway in the use of space weapons
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 34
      -1
      Well, there will be no problems for assembling a ship in Earth orbit now.
  • Klonser
    Klonser 11 February 2021 08: 46
    0
    Who would doubt that. Not everyone has mastered the money for design. The Roskosmos administration needs to renew its fleet of vehicles, replenish bank accounts, increase salaries.
  • U-58
    U-58 11 February 2021 08: 59
    -1
    Behind the seemingly decent message lie the echoes of the war of the "Angarists" led by Rogozin-Varochko with the "Soyuz members" led by Energia-Progress.
    It is possible that Deputy Prime Minister Borisov was forced to personally intervene in the process and again promote the "union" direction in a so-called manual mode.
  • Last centurion
    Last centurion 11 February 2021 09: 04
    +1
    We finally watched videos about the "starship" test And probably realized that they were doing outdated disposable nonsense on kerosene. Well, thank God ... Or maybe not, and they blind a match for billions of dollars, which will burn every time. And the whole world will be using lighters by that time ... And there will be a technological gap like a war chariot and a tank ...
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 11 February 2021 09: 22
    +4
    The creation of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei" is suspended
    I'm not surprised, never ... sad.
  • sannyhome
    sannyhome 11 February 2021 09: 24
    +2
    Correction of the shape of the rocket will take several months ??????????????
  • ont65
    ont65 11 February 2021 09: 30
    0
    If deep space and SDI analogs are not needed, then a super-heavy launch vehicle is useless. And you need to start with ideas and create tools for them, then it makes sense. The same lunar program as that of the United States and that of China is based on a repetition of the past. Expensive and ineffective. A package of modules is being prepared, which is launched by one giant carrier and only a small part comes back. It is impossible to change something. An orbital take-off and landing shuttle with aerodynamic braking near the Earth and entering the station's orbit would look much more efficient. Deliver him tugs with fuel and cargo with the same Yenisei, service him on the ISS, deliver the crews there by the Soyuz and let him fly wherever the party directs. In any case, even changing the point of departure of expeditions is already a useful know-how quite at the level of the 21st century. And if its mass is 10-15 tons, then our nuclear RD-0410 will do.
    1. U-58
      U-58 11 February 2021 09: 49
      0
      What is needed is an analogue of SDI in the form of a heavy platform on the GSO to suppress enemy missile defense on day "Z"
      1. Shopping Mall
        Shopping Mall 11 February 2021 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: U-58
        What is needed is an analogue of SDI in the form of a heavy platform on the GSO to suppress enemy missile defense on day "Z"


        + space will become the main arena of the battlefield in the XNUMXst century.

        And the point is only not in the exchange of nuclear strikes and countering missile defense.

        Without space, you can forget about everything else - the Navy, Air Force, Ground Force. Everything will be tracked in time close to real, and will issue target designation for long-range weapons systems with correction.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 37
        -1
        It is easier to create a 24-ton analogue of the X 37 for such purposes just under the carrying capacity of the Angara A5
        1. U-58
          U-58 11 February 2021 17: 19
          0
          1. Do you think it's easier?
          And where, I'm ashamed to ask, will make composite tiles for external thermal insulation? Who will create engines, including shunting ones, and how quickly?
          And the electronics? Etc....
          2. Such an airplane should land on the Earth from time to time.
          He is not at all comfortable with flying on the GSO.
          It is not possible to place the equipment necessary for countermeasures on it - there is simply not enough space.
          Therefore, a heavy (in every sense) combat station with a powerful and durable energy source, combat and auxiliary equipment is needed.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 11 February 2021 11: 59
      +1
      An orbital take-off and landing shuttle with aerodynamic braking near the Earth with access to orbit would look much more efficient
      it is not even in "cartoons" for adult citizens ...
      Deliver him tugs with fuel and cargo with the same Yenisei
      and with that blown away, now ....
      And if its mass is 10-15 tons, then our nuclear RD-0410 will do.
      and these are wet dreams, in the field of the current economy (harsh reality) ...
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 11 February 2021 09: 36
    +1
    It was stated that instead of the current technologies, new technical solutions will be used in the rocket.
    Poor Kerdyk. New technical solutions are suitable only for the trash, well, and to fool money out of the budget.
  • G. Georgiev
    G. Georgiev 11 February 2021 09: 45
    +2
    Pension sluggishness and bureaucracy is even ridiculous. it repeats itself constantly. Typical Russian negligence. The proud cosmonautics of Russia is over. Besides China, Turkey will catch up with you now!
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 11 February 2021 12: 55
      +1
      Turkey will hit the moon and that's it! It's stupid to shoot a rocket, that's bullshit!
  • Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 February 2021 09: 51
    -1
    So far, "effective managers" will be in charge. A striking example is Rogozmos. They didn’t finish anything, they didn’t do anything new, they are eating up the old ground. It's only good to build a residential complex instead of a missile center.
    Recently again a scandal. the cosmonaut training squad is trying to subordinate directly to Roscosmos. There is no question of efficiency. The task is to achieve the creation of a new administration or department, to introduce civil service positions, and to simplify the procedure for awarding state awards. Earlier, attempts to reward all those uninvolved for a successful ordinary launch with orders failed.
  • Runway
    Runway 11 February 2021 10: 06
    -1
    Well, okay. And when will the Angara be put into operation? And when will Vostochny be completed (even without a table for the virtual Yenisei)? And with the new manned spacecraft the same as with the Yenisei?
    If the Russian Federation (for subjective reasons) cannot do something intelligible in manned astronautics, it is necessary to cover up all "prospects" and look for an appropriate niche in the world space industry.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 February 2021 11: 55
      0
      And when will the Angara be put into operation? And when will Vostochny be completed (even without a table for the virtual Yenisei)? And with the new manned spacecraft the same as with the Yenisei?
      somehow, to put it mildly - probably already ... maybe sometime, there in the future !? request
    2. u-345
      u-345 11 February 2021 12: 44
      +12
      If you look at things from the outside, this is an arctic fox.
      The country has existed for 30 (!) Years. Almost half of the existence of the USSR.
      What new has appeared during this time in astronautics? NOTHING. In fact.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 43
        -3
        And in the USSR since the 70s in the space sphere, what new has appeared? Buran as an attempt to catch up and overtake the United States is not a sample of the new, but just copy-paste.
        1. Kildin
          Kildin 11 February 2021 19: 13
          +1
          1. Copy-paste Buran from the same opera as Tu-144 - copy-paste of Concorde (or vice versa - it doesn't matter).
          2. Super Heavy Energy. Yes, expensive, but superheavy has always been that way.
          3. RD-170, which is still used in various reincarnations.
          4. Space station Mir, the first multi-module space station.

          PS. I'm not even close to a fan of the USSR, on the contrary, but in space the union has always been at the level
    3. slipped
      slipped 11 February 2021 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: WFP
      Well, okay. And when will the Angara be put into operation?


      Serial production is expected from 2023. In the meantime, there are LCI. In the second quarter, if everything goes well, the next A5 will be launched.

      Quote: WFP
      And when will the "Vostochny" be completed (even without a table for the virtual Yenisei)?


      Now the "second stage" of construction is underway - the Angara missile launch complex is being built, completion - the end of 2022. The construction of the STK launch complex will then begin as part of the "third stage" of construction.

      Quote: WFP
      And with the new manned spacecraft, the same as with the Yenisei?


      The production of PTK NP is already underway.

      Quote: WFP
      If the Russian Federation (for subjective reasons) cannot do something intelligible in manned astronautics, it is necessary to cover up all "prospects" and look for an appropriate niche in the world space industry.


      That Russia "cannot do something about manned space exploration?" laughing You give out such pearls here. lol
      1. Runway
        Runway 11 February 2021 23: 56
        -1
        What you have listed is great (if it does take place within the specified time frame).
        Just compare the timing of the "birth" of Proton, Zenith, Energiya, Baikonur as a cosmodrome (from the decision in the 54th to the launch in the 57th).
        What in the foreseeable multi-seat spacecraft will burst upward? A rhetorical question - why will it rush to the ISS, to the Chinese OS, to the Moon (to post plots)?
        Luna-25 is announced this year. God forbid, not to the right ...
        The ballad about the 90s and the shock and pearls of one "flexible" about "galoshes" should not be "sung".
        1. slipped
          slipped 12 February 2021 05: 10
          +1
          Quote: WFP
          What you have listed is great (if it does take place within the specified time frame).


          The rocket modules of the third A5 will soon be delivered to Moscow for testing. After passing them, like last time, all rocket modules will be sent to Plesetsk. Let it be for now. From 2023, deliveries will go directly to the cosmodromes.



          Quote: WFP
          Just compare the timing of the "birth" of Proton, Zenith, Energiya, Baikonur as a cosmodrome (from the decision in the 54th to the launch in the 57th).


          "Proton" - 5 years, though then it took a very long time to get rid of its shortcomings by losing spacecraft.

          "Energia" with its derivative "Zenith" - 10 years, in fact, in the end only "Zenith" was operated.

          Something has been under construction at Baikonur all 50 years.

          Quote: WFP
          What in the foreseeable multi-seat spacecraft will burst upward?


          Soyuz MS-18 in April to the ISS, the crew is three cosmonauts.

          Quote: WFP
          Rhetorical question - why will it rush to the ISS, to the Chinese OS, to the moon (to post plots)?


          And you mean "Eagle". He has three launches - at the end of 2023, an unmanned test, autonomous flight; in 2024, an unmanned test vehicle with docking to the ISS; and in 2025, manned to the ISS.

          Quote: WFP
          Luna-25 is announced this year. God forbid, not to the right ...


          In this program, unlike ExoMars, which was shifted last year, Europe participates only "in the wings".
  • fighter angel
    fighter angel 11 February 2021 10: 14
    +6
    Well, and one more shitty news from Roscosmos.
    Just yesterday I read about the results of 2020.
    We are in a deaf ass, in short.
    Third place in the number of launches, after China and mattress covers,
    they step on the heels and breathe in the back: Europeans, New Zealanders, Iranians, Indians ...
    Moreover, if China and the states in 2020 have real novelties and achievements: "dragon", "Falcon-9", reversible stages, Chinese new launch vehicles, interplanetary stations to the Moon and Mars, then we have the same "Soyuz" and " Progress ", endless development of" Fregat ", and one miraculously launched after 7-10 years of development, or rather -" cut "-" Angara "!
    And another fact is given in this article: we have, in 2020, the absolute minimum in the number of starts! We slipped to the level of 1957 - 1961, when astronautics took the first steps!
    And some people declare "song-dance" contests in Roscosmos, and write poems, instead of doing business ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 11 February 2021 11: 53
      +4
      endless development of "Fregat", and one miraculously launched after 7-10 years of development, or rather - "cut" - "Angara"!
      You, even forgot about the "Science" module, there is also an endless process of a gloomy genius so far ... recourse
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 47
      -2
      "The absolute minimum for the number of starts!" Now all launches depend solely on the wishes of customers - they want to use our launch services they will not want to use foreign ones Russia is far from one country that deals with launch services.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 11 February 2021 11: 33
    +1
    It was proposed to adjust the space program, and for flights to the moon use the "Angara" launch vehicles.


    For what other flights ..)) Hospadya ..
  • Dikson
    Dikson 11 February 2021 11: 40
    0
    Well, right. And cover the Angara. In general, the Chinese need to lease the Eastern one for 50 years and no longer bother with these grandiose scattering of money and the shuffling of brilliant leaders .. The Chinese will finish building the cosmodrome, and they will lay the roads with tunnels to it, what they need .. And they spoil the taiga, so they and so they spoil it .. It is a pity that they do not need Vostochny at all - they have enough of their own cosmodromes .. But we will not be allowed to the moon for serious work anyway. It will turn out to be some kind of "Phobos-Grunt" again ..
  • ultra
    ultra 11 February 2021 11: 49
    +4
    As far as we know, Roscosmos initially requested about 4 trillion rubles for the creation of this launch vehicle. rubles, as a result, this amount dropped to 1.5 trillion. In my opinion, Roskosmos absolutely lacks a clear vision of our space program, from this and all the shuffling with "eagles", "federations", "Yenisei" ....... and other , other.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2021 15: 50
      -3
      Roskosmos has requested about 4 trillion. rubles Actually, he requested such an amount for a flight to Mars, but they explained to him that there was no money for this - and our cosmonautics could count on about 250 - 350 billion rubles a year for all programs.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 11 February 2021 11: 51
    -1
    Well, not even a year has passed, the idea died - so, it died !!! Extremely heavy PH, never matured - in agony ... wink
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 February 2021 12: 33
    +1
    For 3 years, the management has been actively assimilating money for the construction and now the time has come to answer the question and what are we going to do? Almost anecdote turned out: a direct variation of the story about 100nii and academics and the coverage of an airplane for full protection in the air from radiation with a close explosion of yao from the aircraft. 5 years of the dissertation award, and as a result, the student in one phrase that from heat radiation and a shock wave your plane with paint in a tube will twist the entire program, but the pilot will not die from radiation from hitting the ground.)))
  • slipped
    slipped 11 February 2021 12: 48
    +1
    It's funny to read how the workflow for creating a technical design for a new super-heavy media is discussed by Internet hamsters. laughing

    In fact, there is a proposal from Roskosmos to expand the range of outputted payloads on this carrier. Which was recently discussed at a meeting of the RAS. The latter, as customers of the payload, strongly supported this initiative.

    Accordingly, the while there is still a discussion of the technical appearance - there is an opportunity to change a lot in it, before the release of the draft project.

    Meanwhile, the Progress RCC continues to re-equip the enterprise with new technologies for the production of missiles - the release of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle in the near future will make it possible to organize the prerequisites for the release in a couple of years of a new reusable missile based on the Amur-LNG R&D project. A short report on how the enterprise works today:

    1. shahor
      shahor 12 February 2021 12: 24
      -2
      Quote: slipped
      launch of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle in the near future

      I've paid attention to all your comments with faith in a bright future. In 23 ... 25 ... already discussed and soon ...
      The same was said a few years ago - so what? And we want today what we promised a few years ago. Let you write the next comment, we did it. And read fairy tales about the future to grandchildren.
      1. slipped
        slipped 12 February 2021 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: shahor
        I've paid attention to all your comments with faith in a bright future. In 23 ... 25 ... already discussed and soon ...


        It is not a matter of faith. There is a federal space program in Russia. In accordance with it, launches are scheduled.

        Quote: shahor
        The same was said a few years ago - so what?


        Of course, the same dates were named.

        Quote: shahor
        And we want today what we promised a few years ago.


        Only cats are fast. It takes time to create.

        Quote: shahor
        Let us write the next comment, we did it. And read fairy tales about the future to grandchildren.


        Below is a video and a photo in my commentary about what we have done and are preparing for launches this month. Is next month a future for you or not? lol
        1. shahor
          shahor 12 February 2021 12: 36
          0
          Quote: slipped
          Is next month a future for you or not?

          There are realities for me. I believe in deeds, not words. They promised a lunar station - what, I mean, year - and what? And yes. Next month is the future. In December, they promised to launch Progress to the ISS - so what? Are we eating American grub? Don't tell gop ...
          1. slipped
            slipped 12 February 2021 12: 44
            +1
            Quote: shahor
            There are realities for me. I believe in deeds, not words.


            And?

            Quote: shahor
            They promised a lunar station - what, I mean, year - and what?


            Collect. Experiencing. They will start up this year. I regularly post videos and photos here.

            Quote: shahor
            And yes. Next month is the future. In December, they promised to launch Progress to the ISS - so what?


            And here it is on the UK:



            Quote: shahor
            Are we eating American grub? Don't tell gop ...


            And the Americans regularly use our toilet, so what? laughing
  • 1536
    1536 11 February 2021 13: 33
    0
    The correct solution: first you need to build a table, and then prepare the rocket itself. And somehow, without a table, the rocket will not look like a dish for dessert.
    Even for fast food restaurants today is not the time to have anything on the go, let alone other industries. Moreover, within a certain period of time, you can generally change the entire exposition, interior and menu, or eliminate them altogether, since you constantly have to think about the future, and the present can be neglected by opening, say, a can of stew for a snack.
  • mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 11 February 2021 14: 00
    0
    What does "the decision to correct the appearance of the rocket" mean? To paint under "khokhloma" or according to Zhostkovo products "
    ?
    1. slipped
      slipped 11 February 2021 14: 03
      +1
      Quote: mvbmvbmvb
      What does "the decision to correct the appearance of the rocket" mean? To paint under "khokhloma" or according to Zhostkovo products "
      ?


      This means that at the stage of the technical design of the launch vehicle it is possible to use reusable stages and methane engines on it, as well as a wider range of payloads. There is time for this before the start of the draft design.
      1. shahor
        shahor 12 February 2021 12: 30
        0
        Quote: slipped
        This means that at the stage of technical design of the carrier, it is possible to use reusable stages and methane engines on it,

        Didn't it occur to anyone before? Damn Musk is already testing his Starship - has it occurred to him? And in a couple of years, new ideas will appear - will we temporarily suspend the project again?
        1. slipped
          slipped 12 February 2021 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: shahor
          Didn't it occur to anyone before? Damn Musk is already testing his Starship - has it occurred to him?


          Do you want our superheavy to explode like its silo? lol No, we will work out everything at the stands in advance.

          Quote: shahor
          And in a couple of years, new ideas will appear - will we temporarily suspend the project again?


          So there are already ideas how you can use less expensive rockets to fly to the Moon at first. The creation of superheavy is no longer "off." laughing
          1. shahor
            shahor 12 February 2021 12: 44
            -1
            Quote: slipped
            Do you want our superheavy to explode like its silo?

            Do not remind me how many times the silo tower at Korolev exploded? These are tests, son. We will test at the stand - so fly to the moon at the stand. If you don't blow up at the stand. There is nothing to put on the stand yet. And there is no stand. But the funds for the launch pad are already being mastered. True, then it will have to be rebuilt - the rocket may be different. But you will find an excuse - it was intended!
            1. slipped
              slipped 12 February 2021 12: 52
              +1
              Quote: shahor
              Do not remind me how many times the silo tower at Korolev exploded? These are tests, son.


              There was a wonderful phrase during the explosion of one of the royal missiles - "and we shoot cities"

              Tests in the style of "who God will send" are long outdated technologies.

              Quote: shahor
              We will test at the stand - so fly to the moon at the stand. If you don't blow up at the stand. So far there is nothing to put on the stand. And there is no stand.


              Who told you that? Only at the end of last month, the stands successfully tested the RD-171MV and RD-191 engines. laughing And before that, the RD-180s were just as successful.

              Quote: shahor
              But the funds for the launch pad are already being mastered. True, then it will have to be rebuilt - the rocket may be different. But you will find an excuse - it was intended!


              Which "launch pad" ?! belay Now only the construction of the USK for the "Angara" LV on the "Vostochny" is underway. Don't know what technical design is?
              1. shahor
                shahor 12 February 2021 12: 58
                0
                Quote: slipped
                Tests in the style of "who God will send" are long outdated technologies.

                We would have such outdated technologies! The engines are already being tested, this is good, but from the engine to the rocket, the distance is goo. Experiencing is good. And the RD-180 is not the one that we have been selling to Americans for 20 years?
                1. slipped
                  slipped 12 February 2021 13: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: shahor
                  We would have such outdated technologies!


                  What for? laughing

                  Quote: shahor
                  The engines are already being tested, this is good, but from the engine to the rocket, the distance is goo.


                  In the sense of? RD-191 have already successfully flown on the Angara rocket. RD-171MV are the engines of the first stage rocket module of the future Soyuz-5 launch vehicle. Now the first such module is being assembled for its dynamic tests at the stand.

                  Quote: shahor
                  Experiencing is good. And the RD-180 is not the one that we have been selling to Americans for 20 years?


                  Exactly. 92 successful launches. According to the current technical project of "Yenisei", in the modification of RD-180MV, it was planned for the central module of the carrier. Perhaps now there will be a revision. By the way, RD-180s were previously successfully burned with methane.
  • three
    three 11 February 2021 14: 11
    +2
    There is capitalism, but there is no economy, there is only a resource-distribution system (we do not create added value at all, from the word in general). Nobody knows how to manage this monster, that's why all the classic Smith-Keynes do not work (no matter how puffed up and tryndeli all sorts of vse). Plus sanctions (that is, investments and imports of technology do not wait) Everything is in manual mode and Nabiullina is still great , even so ... The budget has become scarce and there is simply no money (even for Shoigu). And here the Rogozin-Rottenbergs, now one task is to survive, to preserve social obligations. The moment when oil and gas were expensive forever was lost (for the population, the bagatei just made a fortune, they stole). What kind of missiles, if the government is not able to do basic things with price regulation, they are simply impotent ... I don’t know, somehow alarming
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 February 2021 16: 00
      -4
      "We do not create added value at all, from the word in general" Whistle more over the past year Russia only exported non-primary and non-energy goods worth $ 145 billion and this is without the military-industrial complex, as much as they buy from us and sell and any high-tech goods are initially big risks today your goods are needed and tomorrow nobody needs it anymore - but everyone will need raw materials and always, since without it, it is impossible to create any product with high added value. What kind of missiles, If the government is not able to do basic things with price regulation, they are simply impotent .... in a market economy, this is not possible in any country in the world to do anything but prices will rise.
  • Kildin
    Kildin 11 February 2021 18: 15
    -2
    Well, actually, I didn't expect anything else. Alas, these are the modern realities of Russian space.
    1. slipped
      slipped 11 February 2021 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: Kildin
      Alas, these are the modern realities of Russian space.


      The modern realities of Russian space are, for example, preparations for the launch of a new hydrometeorological spacecraft "Arktika-M No. 1", which is flying into a polar high-elliptical orbit this month.



      This is the general assembly of the rocket to launch the space truck to the ISS in four days:



      It new discovery on Mars - first time in the world In the atmosphere of Mars, hydrogen chloride was found by direct measurements. The discovery was made by the Russian spectrometer ACS on board the TGO spacecraft of the Russian-European project "ExoMars".



      Etc. etc. laughing It's just that here on VO not everyone is told in the news. Well, or copy-paste hype stuff.
      1. Runway
        Runway 12 February 2021 00: 07
        -2
        The Arctic, which was supposed to fly in 2015?
        "Vanya, you are a member of the Komsomol! .... and the machine gun shot down with renewed vigor" (c)
        1. slipped
          slipped 12 February 2021 05: 21
          0
          Quote: WFP
          The Arctic, which was supposed to fly in 2015?
          "Vanya, you are a member of the Komsomol! .... and the machine gun shot down with renewed vigor" (c)


          It doesn't matter when it was supposed to, it is important what was done in the end and now it is ready to launch. The next unit of this series is in production and will fly in a year.
          1. Runway
            Runway 12 February 2021 05: 43
            -1
            You are, to put it mildly, dissembling. "The road is a spoon for dinner." Let's wait for launches.
            1. slipped
              slipped 12 February 2021 12: 04
              +1
              Quote: WFP
              You are, to put it mildly, dissembling. "The road is a spoon for dinner." Let's wait for launches.


              Really? What's wrong with the launches? For the last two years, all launches have been successful, the spacecraft are in their orbits and are working. And this year began with a successful launch. Or are you hoping for an accident? lol

              Right now, we have three large satellites undergoing pre-flight tests before being sent to cosmodromes.
              1. Runway
                Runway 12 February 2021 12: 16
                -1
                We will wait for the launches of the overdue Arctic, Orel, Angara, Yenisei (with load / crew), Luna-25 within the terms you can translate.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 12 February 2021 12: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: WFP
                  We will wait for the launches of the overdue Arctic, Orel, Angara, Yenisei (with load / crew), Luna-25 within the terms you can translate.


                  SC "Arktika-M" No. 1 flies on February 28 this year.
                  AMS "Luna-25" - scheduled for October 1 this year.

                  There are also reserve dates for both launches, if there is a transfer.

                  Another A5 with a new RB - in the summer, when the MO will decide more precisely.
                  PTK "Eagle" - while standing for December 2023 year.
                  The Yenisei launch vehicle is still at the stage of technical design.

                  Three days later, the launch of Progress MS-16, the rocket is already at the start:

      2. Kildin
        Kildin 15 February 2021 11: 04
        -1
        1. Similar satellites were launched decades ago and are regularly launched now.
        2. The launch vehicle developed by the USSR.
        3. Some scientific instruments are standing, no one argues with that. You can also remember Curiosity, there was also a Russian spectrometer. Or you can put the question differently: what Russian spacecraft are currently exploring objects in the solar system? The answer, alas, will be sad: there are none.
        4. No dd. etc. not. However, this is your right to believe in the bright future of Russian space and pink unicorns.
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 February 2021 12: 12
          -1
          Quote: Kildin
          1. Similar satellites were launched decades ago and are regularly launched now.


          The first launch of the Navigator platform took place in 2011. Remote sensing satellites for the Arctic have not yet been launched.

          Quote: Kildin
          2. The launch vehicle developed by the USSR.


          RN development at the beginning of the XNUMXs. Based on the well-proven analog design of the USSR.

          Quote: Kildin
          3. Some scientific instruments are standing, no one argues with that. You can also remember Curiosity, there was also a Russian spectrometer.


          Our scientific instruments, according to the program for finding water in the solar system, stand on:

          Moon - LRO
          Mars - Mars-Express, ExoMars-2016, Curiosity rover
          Mercury - Beppi Colombo

          At the same time, our scientists work directly on Mars, receiving data through our center for deep space communications.

          Quote: Kildin
          Or you can put the question differently: what Russian spacecraft are currently exploring objects in the solar system? The answer, alas, will be sad: there are none.


          Another sad one, apparently? lol Our device is now working behind the orbit of the moon throughout the starry sky.

          Quote: Kildin
          4. No dd. etc. not. However, this is your right to believe in the bright future of Russian space and pink unicorns.


          In your virtual reality? laughing

          Meanwhile, the VNIIEM corporation is preparing to launch the first satellites of the Ionosphere scientific project. Launching this year.
          1. Kildin
            Kildin 15 February 2021 15: 29
            -1
            1. I said "similar". That no one except the Russian Federation launches meteorological satellites?
            2. Yeah, just the whole base of the 60s.
            3. And what am I talking about? Individual devices are located in many places.
            4. You perfectly understood what I meant. And Spectrum-RG has nothing to do with this. Hayabusu or New Horizons is Poorly Repeatable?
            5. Uh-huh, news from the future

            PS. For this I stop this dialogue, but I'll keep the tab for myself and put a reminder. In five years we will continue.
            1. slipped
              slipped 15 February 2021 17: 20
              0
              Quote: Kildin
              I said "similar". That no one except the Russian Federation launches meteorological satellites?


              Over the Arctic - no. Hydrometeorological satellite. Their whole grouping will be very soon. In addition, the manufacture of payload for the following vehicles has already begun - "Arktika-KN".

              Quote: Kildin
              2. Yeah, just the whole base of the 60s.


              The "Angara" launch vehicle is already flying - its entire base is from the 5s, this year two more launches are planned. The first stage of the Soyuz-2 LV is almost ready for dynamic tests. The process of new media is underway. And Soyuz-XNUMX is now a workhorse.

              Quote: Kildin
              And what did I mean? Individual devices are located in many places.


              Think of them as small spacecraft that have been transported to their destination. laughing

              Quote: Kildin
              You perfectly understood what I meant. And Spectrum-RG has nothing to do with this.


              Is it different? laughing The station has been working great in deep space for two years.

              Quote: Kildin
              Hayabusu or New Horizons is Poorly Repeatable?


              What for? In our current FKP, three spacecraft fly to the Moon and one to Mars according to their already recruited programs.

              Quote: Kildin
              Uh-huh, news from the future


              I dare to notice the very near future. The first two vehicles are already ready and should be launched in April.

              Quote: Kildin
              PS. For this I stop this dialogue, but I'll keep the tab for myself and put a reminder. In five years we will continue.


              "Now he counted you too!" © not mine.
  • Looking for
    Looking for 11 February 2021 18: 46
    -2
    stolen.
  • hydroy
    hydroy 25 February 2021 16: 07
    0
    everything will be fine!