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Underwater misunderstanding or why is this happening?

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All news Channels have already paid attention to the incident involving the Japanese submarine Soryu and the bulk carrier Ocean Artemis on February 8.




The boat in some incomprehensible way surfaced under the cargo ship and hit it with the conning tower.



Three crew members received minor injuries that did not require urgent hospitalization. On the boat, the horizontal rudders were damaged and the communication equipment, which was in the conning tower, was disabled. Moreover, it was damaged so much that the boat had to drag on the surface to the cellular coverage area and report the incident on a mobile phone.

It's funny if it weren't so sad.

A natural question arises: how could a submarine equipped with radars, sonar stations and other useful equipment have allowed such a collision?

It turns out - easily.

And this is not an isolated case in world practice.

07.01.2008. The Indian submarine Sindhughosh, a former Soviet B-888, collided with the merchant ship Leeds Castle while attempting to surface. The conning tower is damaged.

03.02.2009/16/XNUMX. Britain's Vanguard and France's Le Triomphant collided underwater. The French themselves reached the base, and the British boat had to be towed. Given the presence of XNUMX nuclear missiles on board the Vanguard, things could be much worse.

19.03.2009/15/XNUMX. The American submarine "Hartford" and the landing transport dock "New Orleans" collided in the Strait of Hormuz off the coast of Iran. XNUMX people from the crew of the submarine were injured, the transport was punctured by a fuel tank.

13.10.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX. The US submarine Montpelier and the Ticonderoga-class cruiser San Jacinto collided during the exercise. The submarine's sonar fairing is completely broken, possibly the sonar itself.

On January 11.01.2013, XNUMX, an unknown (presumably) fishing vessel demolished the periscopes of the American submarine "Jacksonville" in the Strait of Hormuz.

On July 20.07.2016, XNUMX, the British submarine Ambush collided with an unknown vessel near Gibraltar.

On August 18.08.2016, XNUMX, the American submarine Louisiana collided with a supply vessel in the Juan de Fuca Strait.

And now the Japanese have joined the friendly family of those who know how not to notice anything around them. Congratulations.

And yet, why do they collide? It is clear that the ocean is a very small puddle like the Aral Sea, so two boats can easily cross there.



But there are more sane explanations.

For example, the option when the "Ocean Artemis" was not seen at all on the Japanese boat. This could have happened when the bulk carrier was catching up with the boat from the stern. Soryu does not have a stern sonar. Its role is taken over by the towed GUS, which has been removed. It is normal if the submarine was going to surface, and apparently, the "Sorryu" was just going to surface.



There are side-scan sonars, but they are not as effective towards the stern, and there is also a practice of shifting the side-scan sectors towards the bow. This is done if the boat enters an area with increased traffic. The boat approached just such an area.

Naturally, there is (most likely) and the human factor. The fact that the dry cargo ship “crept up” from the stern does not absolve the responsibility of the “listeners” on duty at all. They clearly relaxed at this time.

There is another option. This is the Venturi effect. The phenomenon is not that unique, but it is encountered in world practice. This is when the vacuum created by a large, and not necessarily a fast moving ship, "sucks" the boat up and directs it into the hull of the surface ship.

This happened in 2007 with the American submarine "Newport News" in the south of the same ill-fated for American submarines, the Strait of Hormuz.

Newport News was raised higher by the Venturi effect and hit the hull of the Japanese tanker Mogamigawa. “Newport News received significant damage in the bow. By the way, the commander was removed from command and went to trial, but physicists proved his innocence.

However, these are all lyrics.

The main complaints should be made to the acoustics of the Japanese boat. Yes, “Oceanic Artemis” could enter the “blind spot” zone in the stern sector, but what or who prevented the bulk carrier from seeing BEFORE it entered the “dead zone”?

As if the ship is not small ...

Underwater misunderstanding or why is this happening?


Moreover, to say that the boat's crew did not understand the sonar signals is also strange to say. The submarine was in the area of ​​the continental shelf, if there was an ocean depth under the keel, more familiar to the crews of nuclear submarines, then we could talk about unusual working conditions.

But the shallow depths of the continental shelf are just more familiar to diesel submarine acousticians. Well, or styling, to be more precise. For shallow water (from the point of view of an "adult" nuclear submarine) is the operating area for diesel-electric submarines.



So it is obvious that the collision and damage to the "Soryu" entirely lies with the hydroacoustics of the Japanese boat. And the collision cannot be justified because it happened in the middle of the day, in normal weather.

So the main working version can be taken as follows: the Soryu hydroacoustics simply overlooked the Ocean Artemis, the boat was at periscope depth or went out to it and was "sucked" into its hull by a large dry cargo ship.

In general, it really could be worse.



However, the continuation of the chain of accidents and emergencies suggests that far from everything in the training of modern submarine crews in the world is excellent. The most stupid situations still arise, which do not miraculously end in tragedies.

By the way, the absence of Russian boats in the list of accidents and emergencies is very encouraging. The only case with the B-276 "Kostroma" and the American "Baton Rouge" in February 1992. And even then, there the Americans made every effort to arrange a disaster.

As a result, I want to say only that the submarine, precisely due to its secrecy, is a source of increased danger at sea. That should, in theory, impose obligations on the states for high-quality crew training.



Otherwise, the list of submarines damaged by contacts with surface ships will continue to grow. And this, you see, is not very desirable.
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  1. Destiny
    Destiny 11 February 2021 05: 43
    +33
    The main reason for navigation accidents is more often associated with crew errors and less often due to the failure of technical means. The notorious "human factor", which cannot be avoided in any fleet of the world. Accidents have been, are and will be unfortunately ..
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 11 February 2021 06: 17
      +6
      BIP missed. And here acoustics?
      1. 2534M
        2534M 11 February 2021 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: pmkemcity
        BIP missed. And here acoustics?

        fool
        what "buried"?!?! - heart-rending screams of speakers' reports?!?! - IF THEY WERE ....
        but they could not be easy, for example, with a good jump in NW meters, so at 20-23
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 11 February 2021 12: 17
          +10
          Quote: 2534M
          what "buried"?!?! - heart-rending screams of speakers' reports?!?! - IF THEY WERE ....
          but they could not be easy, for example, with a good jump in NW meters, so at 20-23

          And here the screams? Acoustics are cultured guys and rarely raise their voices. But the BIP must keep track of all targets. If they recognized the target as harmless and abandoned tracking it, who is the demand?
          Ascent in two steps is carried out in this order. The submarine floats to a safe depth with the help of horizontal rudders and propulsion. At this depth, the hydroacoustic station in the noise direction finding mode carefully listens to the horizon. For a reliable survey of the aft heading angles, coordinates are described. Fore and aft sectors are surveyed in the echo direction finding mode. One of the diesel engines is preparing to blow through the main ballast with or without a stroke.
          The ascent to the periscope depth is carried out on a combat alert for the minimum time. This is achieved by creating an appropriate trim to the stern (about 5 °) and giving, as a rule, the middle stroke. Before reaching the periscope depth, the stroke is reduced to small, the trim is retracted to zero and the periscope is raised, into which the commander quickly examines the horizon and the air. In fresh weather, in order to avoid the ejection of a wave by a wave onto the sea surface, before reaching the periscope depth, a certain amount of water should be taken into the equalizing tank from behind the side.
          When surfacing from a safe depth to the periscope, it is recommended to raise the retractable devices in advance: the antenna of the radar search station at a depth of 16-18 m, the periscope at a depth of 12-14 m.
          During the passage from safe depth to periscope depth, you must be ready at any time to fill the rapid dive tank. (Ship Control Handbook, 1974)
          1. 2534M
            2534M 11 February 2021 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: pmkemcity
            If they recognized the target as harmless and abandoned tracking it, who is the demand?

            if she was OBSERVED
            but very easily - could not be observed
            stupidly powerful GSSZ between safe depth and surface
            or shadow zone
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Ascent in two steps is carried out in this order. The submarine floats to a safe depth with the help of horizontal rudders and propulsion. At this depth, the sonar station

            SIT TWO
            BEFORE surfacing to a safe environment, it is specified on OPTIMAL for search
            Quote: pmkemcity
            For reliable inspection of aft heading angles, coord.

            fool
            look in the dictionary WHAT IS coordinate
            he has nothing to do with the safety of surfacing
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Fore and aft sectors are surveyed in the echo direction finding mode.

            lol
            and "airborne"? laughing
            I swear, YOU are not tired of FUCKING, and an illiterate
            and a person who knows all this well (and not "theoretically")
            Quote: pmkemcity
            One of the diesel engines is preparing to blow through the main ballast with or without a stroke.

            even for diesel-electric submarines - not always
            Quote: pmkemcity
            The ascent to the periscope depth is carried out on a combat alert for the minimum time.

            YOU missed a word FROM SAFE depth
            Quote: pmkemcity
            This is achieved by creating an appropriate trim to the stern (about 5 °) and giving, as a rule, the middle stroke.

            but nothing that the nuclear submarine at a shallow depth limit is less than the "average stroke"?
            by the way, with such "maneuvers" wassat YOU will not bend the sliding ones for an hour (by the oncoming stream)?
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Before reaching the periscope depth, the stroke is reduced to small, the trim is retracted to zero and the periscope is raised, into which the commander quickly examines the horizon and the air

            all wrong
            for diesel-electric submarines, it is obligatory to switch from GED EKH to "large"
            you also need to be able to inspect through the periscope - first, the nasal sector very quickly, then quickly in a circle and only then in detail
            Quote: pmkemcity
            (Ship Control Handbook, 1974)

            where do these "murzilki"?!?! - if there are Instructions for controlling a nuclear submarine (diesel-electric submarine) and "good sea practice" (for example, the command "Boatswain dive!" to avoid a ramming strike and the corresponding maneuver)
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 11 February 2021 15: 27
              +4
              Quote: 2534M
              what have these "murzilki"

              The handbook was prepared by a team of authors: Captain 1st Rank A. Aleksandrov (Preface, Ch. 4,12, 14 and 22); Captain 2nd Rank A.B. Orlov (Ch. 7, 8,13, 17, 1, § 7-1, Ch. 6.5 and § 6, Ch. 1); Captain 2st Rank Titov Yu. E. (Ch. 5, 6, 1 § 4-11, 21, 8 and § 9, 1 Ch. 1); Captain 3st Rank Yushin S.S. (Ch. 15, 1 and § 20 Ch. 2); Captain 9nd Rank Kuznetsov G.M. (Ch. 10, 18 and 2); Captain 16nd Rank A.P. Bronevitsky (Ch. 19 and 2); Captain 2nd Rank V.A.Kuznetsov (§ 3 and 20 Ch. XNUMX).
              And ... don't teach acoustics. Yes, and in BIP he defended more than one watch. It cannot be that the target is not observed over a long period of time. With a normally set BIP service and you do not need to go into active mode, everything is considered manually on the tablet faster than the BIUS (at least in my time).
              1. 2534M
                2534M 11 February 2021 15: 37
                -1
                Quote: pmkemcity
                The guide was prepared by a team of authors

                yes, whoever prepared it
                on a number of the designated points, he CONTRAINS "Control Instructions" of nuclear submarines and diesel-electric submarines, COMMON SENSE and GOOD MARINE PRACTICE
                Quote: pmkemcity
                Yes, and in BIP he defended more than one watch.

                see "not a horse feed" lol
                Quote: pmkemcity
                It cannot be that the target is not observed in a long period time.

                1. rarely but maybe
                2. it can be observed FAR, but in the near zone go into the "shadow", and if it has changed the CPC then there are real cases when after "Boatswain dive !!!!" multipurpose nuclear submarines leave the fisherman only due to their "almost destructive capabilities" (there is PERSONAL experience). Moreover, the fisherman has a low-frequency GUS with a large scale, and the boat for him is a "big school of fish"
                Quote: pmkemcity
                With a normally delivered service BIP and do not need to go into active mode

                fool
                hmm ...
                actually YOU yourself PERSONALLY characterized your "service" request
                and the active mode is not just "necessary" but MUST switch, incl. and because surface targets can be STOP
                Quote: pmkemcity
                everything is considered manually on the tablet faster than the BIUS (at least in my time).

                Will you count 20 goals?
                and these are real numbers, for example, for SF polygons

                PS
                and I'm not even talking about the fact that a person who declared himself
                Yes, and in BIP he defended more than one watch.

                referring to this MURZILKU is just bad manners
                1. pmkemcity
                  pmkemcity 11 February 2021 15: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: 2534M
                  Will you count 20 goals?

                  Even "in a column". "We had a miner. His name was ... It doesn't matter what his name was. One word is a miner!" (72 meters)
                  1. 2534M
                    2534M 11 February 2021 15: 49
                    0
                    Quote: pmkemcity
                    Even "in a column"

                    lies and does not blush ...
                    Quote: pmkemcity
                    One word - miner

                    so I say - LITTLE HE IS YOU PORN, LITTLE
                    1. pmkemcity
                      pmkemcity 11 February 2021 15: 59
                      0
                      Quote: 2534M
                      so I say - IT'S LITTLE HE GOT YOU, LITTLE

                      You're all lying! Our miner did not have a belt when he was born. Somehow they collected the whole ship for the guard watch.
                      1. 2534M
                        2534M 11 February 2021 16: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: pmkemcity
                        Our miner and belt did not have

                        so I say that it is bad that your miner has a belt - GET YOU DID NOT HAVE
                      2. GEOID
                        GEOID April 4 2021 10: 36
                        0
                        good
                        Frunze against Makarov.

                        https://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=2238&p=8#p1412209
              2. 2534M
                2534M 11 February 2021 16: 41
                +1
                Quote: pmkemcity
                Yes, and in BIP he defended more than one watch. It can not be,

                by the way "all this" belay You are not an hour Miron repeat taught?
              3. 2534M
                2534M 11 February 2021 17: 42
                +1
                Quote: pmkemcity
                Yes, and in BIP he defended more than one watch. It cannot be that the target is not observed over a long period of time.

                Japanese Sea:

                Black Sea:
                The early spring of 1990 in Crimea led to the fact that the water warmed up already in mid-April to 14 ° C. Then there was cold weather and even snow fell. Planned exercises were conducted in the fleet. The storms mixed the upper layers of the sea and, as a result, the hydrological conditions were extremely unfavorable for the search for surface targets. IV type GLU up to one hundred meters - a rarity for the Black Sea. Two layers of jump at 15-17 and 30-35 meters made it possible to effectively evade detection with subkeys GAS, but for reconnaissance and attack of the OBK (NT-4) in the near illumination zone, it was necessary to surface under the periscope or maneuver at dangerous depths. At night, when surfacing repeatedly, in order to determine the place for an "urgent", I had to evade terrible transports and impudent fishermen. Noises in the near zone began to be heard at a dangerous depth
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 11 February 2021 18: 49
              0
              Quote: 2534M
              a person who knows all this well (and not "theoretically")

              then why are the shoulder straps land ??? Urgently change in the profile (click on the avatar - then on the shoulder strap (it is under the avatar) and select the desired one) ...
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 11 February 2021 14: 53
            +2
            Is there such a reference book in Japanese ?. that's the reason.
            1. 2534M
              2534M 11 February 2021 14: 54
              -2
              Quote: antivirus
              Is there such a reference book in Japanese ?.

              this is not a "guide" but bullshit
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 11 February 2021 18: 46
        0
        [quote = pmkemcity] BIP missed. What does acoustics have to do with it? [/ Quote]
        Maybe on the submarine of the Japanese Navy the same way?
        [Quote] The new BIP of Japanese frigates was called similar to the bridge of a starship [quote]
        And the Japanese were not ready for stellar technology ... request
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 February 2021 06: 18
      +4
      not everything in the training of crews of modern submarines in the world is excellent
      this is the human factor
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 11 February 2021 10: 07
        +3
        What to say about submarines if surface ships collide in clear weather.
        A person is a weak point, someone is inattentive, and someone is drunk.
        Discipline in the workplace, crew training, strict supervision and dedication are what can prevent accidents. And not only at sea, in all spheres of life.
        1. arkadiyssk
          arkadiyssk 11 February 2021 13: 19
          +2
          Of course, the human factor, for example, the investigation of the collision of the American destroyer Fitzgerald and the container ship ACX Crystal, in 2017 revealed that it was "due to the sensor controls of the destroyer." In the conditions of the sudden detection of a container ship and the ensuing turmoil, the crew simply could not properly turn the ship by poking at the sensors. Based on the results, it was decided that all ArlieBerks will be transferred from touch-sensitive to conventional mechanical controls, guaranteeing normal visual and tactile feedback.
    3. Finches
      Finches 11 February 2021 07: 12
      +13
      The human factor ... I remembered our tragedy in 1981 with the diesel submarine S-178 in the Golden Horn Bay, when the RFS-13 fishing refrigerator drove into it with all the foolishness, which deviated from the course and went without signal lights, because the whole team was drunk! The boat sank, people died.
      1. snerg7520
        snerg7520 11 February 2021 08: 34
        -3
        Alas, everything was exactly the opposite - on the submarine for acceptance tests after the repair, the whole team was drunk,
        including plant specialists, she deviated from the course and walked without signal lights, and therefore fell under the stem of the refrigerator.
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 February 2021 09: 07
          +6
          That incident, the command of the fleet fell silent, and the materials of the criminal case were classified for a long time, nevertheless, today it is known from it that, on October 21, the birthday of senior assistant Viktor Kurdyumov was celebrated on the refrigerator, and the whole team, including the birthday man, was well drunk ... Having gone out to sea, they did not turn on the signal lights, although it was already dark. The submarine was tracked down, but Kurdyumov continued to follow the same course, believing that there was some small vessel on the way of the refrigerator and it itself should yield the channel ... The court eventually sentenced the chief mate to 10 years in prison, but divided the blame on the commander of the submarine, who I also soldered a ducat!
          1. snerg7520
            snerg7520 14 February 2021 19: 45
            -1
            I studied with the son of a never planted fisherman and talked with his father, who was appointed "the goat of omission."
            Moreover, my acquaintances and friends associated with the fleet and who had information about this incident, for the most part, confirmed the guilt of the submarine team in the collision, less - they were not sure of the unequivocal fault of the refrigerator team - Vladivostok is a city, in a certain sense, small, especially in the Soviet times and sews in a sack cannot be hidden.
            And don't make me laugh with the materials of the criminal case - we knew how to “sew the case” by order from above, both then and now.
            With regards to the rudeness of "2534M" - I would like to offend you, but I can't do it better than nature.
            1. Finches
              Finches 14 February 2021 19: 54
              0
              Therefore, the boat commander was convicted - both are to blame! So everything is fair! But the fact remains - the refrigerator team behaved extremely unprofessional! It was not the boat that drove into them, but they into the boat, although they had time to maneuver!
        2. Fotoceva62
          Fotoceva62 11 February 2021 09: 07
          +8
          For
          snerg7520
          The source is welcome to the studio.
          The drunken crew of the submarine ... Where did they serve? How many chests fit in your waterway? (Irony and sarcasm). A boat with no navigation lights? Maybe the howler was turned off?
        3. dedusik
          dedusik 11 February 2021 09: 55
          0
          Yes, it was on the resource, you can read it again winked https://topwar.ru/87181-34-metra-gibel-pl-s-178-v-1981-g-rasskaz-starpoma-sergeya-kubynina.html
        4. 2534M
          2534M 11 February 2021 10: 19
          +3
          Quote: snerg7520
          on the submarine for acceptance tests after the repair, the whole team was drunk,

          YOU LOOK
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 February 2021 09: 45
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        in the Golden Horn Bay, when a fishing refrigerator RFS-13 drove into it with all the foolishness, which deviated from the course and went without signal lights, because the whole team was completely drunk!

        The sailors have a saying "Fear the fools, and the drunken fishermen."
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 11 February 2021 11: 55
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The sailors have a saying "Fear the fools, and the drunken fishermen."

          EMNIP, the saying is still different:
          Fear the sea of ​​a fisherman and a sailor.

          And worst of all - when both persons involved in the proverbs meet each other. For some, the plan is on fire, and they climb to fish on the range, for others - combat training.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 11 February 2021 12: 27
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Fear the sea of ​​a fisherman and a sailor.

            Yes, no, warriors are normal navigators, and fishermen are unpredictable, and often in a degree. And even then only the coastal area, and on large fishermen the service is also normally organized. But foreign fishermen, it is better to bypass for three miles, there is one skipper, and on the big two. Himself had to be a fisherman and "urine", and large-tonnage.
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 February 2021 07: 54
      +1
      I can't say anything, without case materials (
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 February 2021 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Destiny
      The notorious "human factor", from which there is no escape in any fleet of the world. Accidents have been, are and will be unfortunately ..

      Watch duty "Soryu" was not up to par. But such mistakes happen all the time, even with the most sophisticated equipment.
    6. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 11 February 2021 14: 47
      +1
      Quite right! For some reason, the author missed the incident of 9.02.2001 when the American submarine Greenville drowned the Japanese trawler Ehime Maru with fatalities. And during the investigation it turned out that a complete mess reigned on board the boat.
    7. Alien From
      Alien From 12 February 2021 03: 28
      0
      I agree with Destiny, no one is immune from mistakes, the sea does not forgive them at all!
    8. stels_07
      stels_07 13 February 2021 12: 38
      0
      Maybe they did a secret penetration into Vladik's Bay, for example, and didn't calculate ...
    9. for
      for 1 May 2021 18: 28
      0
      Quote: Destiny
      The notorious "human factor"

      The roads in the sea-ocean are too wide, the hope that they will not meet anyone.
  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 11 February 2021 06: 01
    +2
    The author has forgotten another incident in the Sea of ​​Japan, in 1984, if I am not mistaken, with our submarine K-314 (of the Ruff type, which collided with the US aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk (CV-63) when surfacing to the depths.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 11 February 2021 06: 21
      +1
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      in 1984 if I am not mistaken, with

      Not mistaken
      The stories about the meetings of the Soviet and American ships during the World War are steeped in legends. Among the sailors, both ours and the stars-striped, the stories “As we showed the enemy” are popular.

      In reality, situations have happened, and they still happen, much more prosaic and much more terrible. Sometimes no one is going to "show" anything to anyone, but at the same time it almost comes to a large-scale disaster.

      On March 21, 1984, in the Sea of ​​Japan, fate brought together the Soviet submarine K-314 and the American aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk ("Kitty Hawk").

      Totally here
      https://aif.ru/society/history/zhest_v_yaponskom_more_kak_sovetskie_podvodniki_avianosec_taranili
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 11 February 2021 09: 53
        +2
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Not mistaken

        Yes, every day something happens at sea, both funny and tragic. The sea does not forgive mistakes. I have experienced it on my own skin.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 12 February 2021 03: 31
      +1
      Kote! For some reason, the author of ours did not list at all ...... Although submariners are akin to cosmonauts / astronauts!
  3. aars
    aars 11 February 2021 06: 31
    +11
    By the way, the absence of Russian boats in the list of accidents and emergencies is very encouraging.
    The author either prepared the article negligently or taunts us, considering us to be sclerotic or stupid people, or both.
    More than 17 million rubles are charged from the commanders of the Krasnodar submarine for the collision of the submarine with a civilian vessel.

    During an exercise on April 25, 2016 in the Baltic Sea, a submarine collided with a foreign civilian vessel upon surfacing
    Criminal cases were initiated against Captain I rank Igor Martemyanov (who headed the Kronstadt submarine division from April 2012 to November 2017) and Captain II rank Denis Sopin, who was the commander of the Krasnodar crew from September 2014 to October 2016.
    The Ministry of Defense has filed claims against the officers totaling 33 million rubles.
    The shipyard appreciated the repair of the submarine at this amount.

    The Leningrad District Military Court ruled to recover from Denis Sopin, who was in charge of the dangerous maneuvering of the submarine, 12 million rubles, and from the senior on board Igor Martemyanov, who checked the work of the boat commander, 5 million rubles.
    In collecting the remaining 16 million rubles. The Defense Ministry court refused, ruling that this amount should be covered by funds allocated to the military department from the federal budget.
    This is a recent and well-known scandal ...
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 14 February 2021 09: 52
      +1
      And K-407 "Novomoskovsk" collided with a UFO in 1993? Yes, and about the Kursk, Popov recently from TV screens all over the country said that the tragedy was caused by a collision with an American boat, which they discovered first, which transmitted a distress signal with a mechanical detector, which were never on Soviet submarines, and only then was discovered "Kursk". Or did the CIA director just rush to Russia?
      We also dragged fishermen with us, who climbed into the area closed for swimming. From their nets on the fence of the felling there were marks for a long time. And try to hear him when he is on foot, and even in a closed area. When our speed dropped, and they squealed with diesel engines, then it became clear that we had to emerge.
  4. Kotus
    Kotus 11 February 2021 06: 57
    +7
    "By the way, the absence of Russian boats in the list of accidents and emergencies is very encouraging."

    The author was either a little too lazy or disingenuous:

    “As it became known to Kommersant, the bailiffs are collecting more than 17 million rubles from the former commander of the submarine division, Captain I rank Igor Martemyanov and the commander of the submarine Krasnodar, Captain II rank Denis Sopin. During the 2016 exercise in the Baltic Sea Krasnodar "During surfacing, collided with a foreign ship, after which it was put into repair. The officers fully admitted their guilt in the incident, but Mr. Martemyanov, who is a disabled person, did not have the required amount."
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kommersant.ru/amp/3974387
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 11 February 2021 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Kotus
      During the 2016 exercise in the Baltic Sea, Krasnodar collided with a foreign vessel during its ascent, after which it was put under repair.

      And why the area was not closed - if there were exercises?
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 11 February 2021 07: 04
    +4
    Poor knowledge, and the failure of the crew of the submarine, in particular of hydroacoustics, of their direct duties is obvious! Relaxed, not a war, you can listen "half-heartedly", hence the accident.
  6. Yngvar
    Yngvar 11 February 2021 07: 11
    +5
    The Ocean Artemis hunted nicely ... (Artemis in Greek mythology is the goddess of the hunt.)
    The captain of "Soryu", most likely gave the command to surface "on the machine" ...
    "There has never been such a thing, and now again ..." (V. Chernomyrdin)
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 11 February 2021 19: 23
      0
      Quote: Yngvar
      Artemis in Greek mythology is the goddess of the hunt.

      not a bad hunt for the azure dragon (azure dragon of the east) ...
  7. mark1
    mark1 11 February 2021 07: 45
    +6

    However, the continuation of the chain of accidents and emergencies suggests that
    a fundamentally new class of PLO ships is born))
  8. prior
    prior 11 February 2021 09: 28
    +2
    I am glad that carelessness is not a purely Russian trait, but is fully inherent in other peoples who imagine themselves to be samurai and / or cowboys.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 February 2021 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: prior
      I am glad that carelessness is not a purely Russian trait, but is fully inherent in other peoples who imagine themselves to be samurai and / or cowboys.

      Yes, all people are the same, as God created them, it is we who divide them by nationality and race. All human faults are all acquired.
  9. HateHouse2
    HateHouse2 11 February 2021 09: 37
    +2
    The crew of the dry cargo ship was nominated for awards.
    1. prior
      prior 11 February 2021 10: 14
      +3
      "For Service to the Fatherland", 2nd degree.
      Now, if I drowned, then of course it would be 1st degree lol
  10. 2534M
    2534M 11 February 2021 10: 22
    +1
    There are side-scan sonars, but they are not as effective towards the stern

    laughing
    Thank you, Roman, with this phrase the mood rose laughing not only me but also the GC of the best Russian HBO wink
  11. 2534M
    2534M 11 February 2021 10: 24
    +2
    with B-276 Kostroma and American Baton Rouge in February 1992. And even then, there the Americans made every effort to arrange a catastrophe.

    actually it was ours who put the "club"
    as the chief navigator of the Navy Aleksin wrote in the act of investigations "... were late for the reference session ..."
  12. Avior
    Avior 11 February 2021 12: 30
    +2
    Roman missed something. the story of the B-265 about the collision with the Pole on ascent
    More than 17 million rubles. demand bailiffs from the ex-commander of the submarine division, captain I rank Igor Martemyanov and the former commander of the submarine "Krasnodar" captain II rank Denis Sopin, reports "Kommersant".


    According to the publication, in 2016, during an exercise in the Baltic Sea, the submarine Krasnodar collided with a foreign vessel during its ascent, which did not receive any particular damage, and the submarine had to be repaired .... The Leningrad District Military Court, according to the FSSP database, issued On March 21 this year, Igor Martemyanov's writ of execution, according to which he is obliged to pay 5 million rubles. At the same time, his colleague Denis Sopin must pay legal costs in the amount of 21,7 thousand rubles, the corresponding claim was filed by the Ministry of Defense. Most of the collection - 12 million rubles - he has already paid.

    According to the newspaper, the court proceedings took place last year. Then the district court considered the criminal cases of both officers in a special order. The hearings were held behind closed doors, as the materials of the investigation conducted by the Main Directorate of the Investigative Committee of Russia contained a state secret, the newspaper reports.

    Just like in the movie with Schwarneger - "If I crash the plane, deduct from my salary"
  13. Undecim
    Undecim 11 February 2021 12: 30
    +3
    A natural question arises: how could a submarine equipped with radars, sonar stations and other useful equipment have allowed such a collision?
    The answer is simple, like the moo of a sea cow - a violation by the submarine commander of regulations governing the procedure for surfacing. I don’t think they are particularly different in the fleets of different countries, so you can focus on the Russian one.
    Ascent in two steps
    Ascent in two steps is carried out in this order. The submarine floats to a safe depth with the help of horizontal rudders and propulsion. At this depth, the hydroacoustic station in the noise direction finding mode carefully listens to the horizon. For a reliable survey of the aft heading angles, coordinates are described. Fore and aft sectors are surveyed in the echo direction finding mode. One of the diesel engines is preparing to blow through the main ballast with or without a stroke.
    The ascent to the periscope depth is carried out on a combat alert for the minimum time. This is achieved by creating an appropriate trim to the stern (about 5 °) and giving, as a rule, the middle stroke. Before reaching the periscope depth, the stroke is reduced to small, the trim is retracted to zero and the periscope is raised, into which the commander quickly examines the horizon and the air. In fresh weather, in order to avoid the ejection of a wave by a wave onto the sea surface, before reaching the periscope depth, a certain amount of water should be taken into the equalizing tank from behind the side.
    When surfacing from a safe depth to the periscope, it is recommended to raise the retractable devices in advance: the antenna of the radar search station at a depth of 16-18 m, the periscope at a depth of 12-14 m.
    During the passage of depth from safe to periscopic, you must be ready at any time to fill the quick dive tank.
    When the submarine reaches the periscope depth, the commander, having assessed the situation, decides to ascend to the surface position. To ascend to the positioning position, a slight trim is created aft. When the boat reaches a depth equal to half the periscope depth, high pressure air is blown through the middle group of main ballast tanks, after which their kingstons are closed. After making sure by the depth gauge and assessing in the periscope by the bow and stern superstructures (they should be above the water surface) that the middle group of tanks is completely purged, and its kingstones are closed, the commander of the platoon opens the upper conning tower hatch and rises to the bridge, from where he continues to direct the ascent to the cruising position. Unnecessary sliders are lowered.
    In case of strong waves, it is recommended to give a bubble to the bow tank of the main ballast and shift the aft horizontal rudders to ascent.
    Further, on command from the bridge "Blow out ballast", the prepared diesel engine is started up, the exhaust gases of which are directed to the tanks of the main ballast and blow them through. As soon as blowing starts, the rapid immersion tank is filled. The submarine is ready for an urgent dive.
    If the commander of the sub is not visible (night, strong sea waves, high speed of the sub, etc.) through the bubbles, which tanks of the main ballast are blown out, he gives the order to the commander of the BC-5 to blow the ballast in time. During blowing, it is necessary to monitor the roll, not allowing it to increase. The roll is equalized by overlapping the corresponding side valves on the low pressure air distribution column.
    At the end of the ballast blowing, the senior assistant commander of the platoon announces the combat readiness number and the shift taking over the watch. The command "Move away from the ascent places" is given after taking over the shift of the appointed shift.
    The personnel enter the bridge after surfacing with the permission of the boat commander in accordance with the norms established by him and are regulated by the officer of the watch. No one is allowed to descend from the bridge onto the deck without the permission of the commander of the pl
    1. 2534M
      2534M 11 February 2021 14: 49
      0
      Quote: Undecim
      A natural question arises: how could a submarine equipped with radars, sonar stations and other useful equipment have allowed such a collision?
      The answer is simple, like the moo of a sea cow - a violation by the submarine commander of regulations governing the procedure for surfacing

      YOU HAVE RUNNING SHOOT
      yes, in some cases there may be (and have been) violations
      but in a number of others - OBJECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS (HYDROLOGY)
      a surface target in the near zone may not be stupidly observed by acoustics before surfacing
      Quote: Undecim
      Ascent in two steps is carried out in this order. Submarine floats to a safe depth with the help of horizontal rudders and course. At this depth, the sonar station in the noise direction finding mode carefully listens to the horizon.

      NONSENSE
      this is done at the OPTIMAL (for searching) depth!

      and only then repeats (if necessary in Nbez)
      Quote: Undecim
      When the boat reaches a depth equal to half the periscope depth, high pressure air is blown through the middle group of main ballast tanks, after which their kingstons are closed.

      have you heard anything about dosed blowing from the OKS CPU?
      Quote: Undecim
      The ascent to the periscope depth is carried out on a combat alert for the minimum time. This is achieved by creating an appropriate trim to the stern (about 5 °) and giving, as a rule, middle stroke.

      this is called "hello retractable" wassat
      for the limitations of the same periscope at the level of average moves even in new Warsaw
      in fact, the speed is chosen to be optimal, but setting under the "large" HED for diesel-electric submarines is required
      Quote: Undecim
      In case of strong waves, it is recommended to give a bubble to the bow tank of the main ballast and shift the aft horizontal rudders to ascent.

      just nonsense - for a direct prerequisite for being hit by a ramming strike
      with excitement, VERSAI recommend TIGHTENING PL !!!
      etc.
      PS tell me, it gives you pleasure to flog nonsense to the public (for which YOU do not know any belmes)?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 11 February 2021 16: 17
        +3
        You have some kind of permanent hysteria mixed with rudeness. Overuse and there is no money for a hangover?
        If you are able, open this book. Section 3.7. Then you will sprinkle with saliva.
        1. 2534M
          2534M 11 February 2021 16: 24
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          Do you have some

          permanent NONSENSE wassat here is YOUR
          Quote: Undecim
          mixed with rudeness.

          it answer to YOUR
          Quote: Undecim
          Then you will sprinkle with saliva.

          YOU are drooling here
          Quote: Undecim
          open this book here. Section 3.7.

          I don't care about this book repeat
          because that CRASH that YOU brought from her contradicts:
          1. Requirements (more than reasonable) of guidance documents
          2. Common sense
          3. Good maritime practice
          PM
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 11 February 2021 16: 26
            +2
            I did not expect any other answer from the naval practitioner in hysterics. Swim further.
            1. 2534M
              2534M 11 February 2021 16: 38
              -2
              Quote: Undecim
              I did not expect any other answer from the naval practitioner in hysterics.

              1.Monsieur, YOU are hysterical here - because of how YOU were driven around the table with a face lol
              2. YOU are simply not able to "expect" something because of YOUR absolute incompetence (with a burning desire to "chirp" at least something to the public), if YOU knew at least something real on the question - YOU would not have brought this SHOT here
              3. My assessment of this OPUS is not just "my assessment", but a reflection of WHAT YOU REALLY LEARN (hands, experience and good maritime practice). Again - IN YOUR book is written CRASH
            2. 2534M
              2534M 11 February 2021 17: 38
              0
              Quote: Undecim
              Another answer

              there will be another answer - "to the best WONDERFUL, oh sorry, commentator" wassat repeat
              A natural question arises: how could a submarine equipped with radars, sonar stations and other useful equipment have allowed such a collision?
              Undecim: The answer is as simple as the mooing of a sea cow - the submarine commander's violation of regulations governing the procedure for surfacing.

              from experienced submarine commanders:
              Lutsky (to-a, then the commander of the S-150):

              http://nvmu.ru/library/852.htm
              Proskurin (S-37 Black Sea Fleet)
              The early spring of 1990 in Crimea led to the fact that the water warmed up already in mid-April to 14 ° C. Then there was cold weather and even snow fell. Planned exercises were conducted in the fleet. The storms stirred the upper layers of the sea and eventually hydrological conditions are extremely unfavorable for the search for surface targets... IV type GLU up to one hundred meters - a rarity for the Black Sea. Two layers of jump at 15-17 and 30-35 meters made it possible to effectively evade detection by subtle GAS, but for reconnaissance and attack of the OBK (NT-4) in the near illumination zone, it was necessary to surface under the periscope or maneuver at dangerous depths... At night repeatedly when surfacing to determine the place for "urgent" had to evade terrible transports and impudent fishermen. Noises in the near zone began to be heard at a dangerous depth


              PS
              so the "moo of a cow" is here at YOU Monsieur Undecim
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 11 February 2021 18: 43
                +2
                in YOUR book
                You flatter me, I am not among the authors of the book.
                Order of the Red Banner of Labor
                MILITARY PUBLISHING
                MINISTRIES OF DEFENSE OF THE USSR
                MOSCOW — 1974
                The authors of the book.
                A. A. Alexandrov (head of the team of authors),
                A. P. Bronevitsky, V. A. Kuznetsov, G. M. Kuznetsov,
                A. B. Orlov, Yu. E. Titov, S. S. Yushin

                So you are not rude to me, but to the authors of the book, among whom there are the same naval officers like you.
                As for your examples, they are interesting in themselves, but in no way disprove the book in question. If you are an experienced practitioner, please provide extracts from the normative documents governing the procedure for the submarine crew's actions upon ascent.
                There certainly are some, and such an outstanding practitioner as you are probably familiar.
                Let's compare the options and determine where the truth is.
                As for the Japanese submarine, the Japanese have already admitted that the collision was due to the fault of the crew.
                1. 2534M
                  2534M 11 February 2021 20: 51
                  -2
                  Quote: Undecim
                  So you are not rude to me, but to the authors of the book, among whom there are the same naval officers like you.

                  Monsieur "the best SLOVOBLUD" wassat , I'm not being rude to them, but I GIVE AN ASSESSMENT
                  and possibly unfair
                  because it is not a fact that in 1974 they would be "allowed" to write, for example, about the OPTIMAL depth of search (although in this situation it is better not to write at all than to write the CASTLE that is set out in their book, especially since there are OTHER BOOKS where "as it should "set forth including in the form of LEGAL REQUIREMENTS)
                  Quote: Undecim
                  As for your examples, they are interesting in themselves, but in no way refute the book in question.

                  fool
                  Monsieur, with this phrase YOU YOURSELF "signed" not even for incompetence, but simply for the inability to analyze and think on this topic (better flip through "Murzilka" - the topic of hydroacoustics and all related questions - NOT FOR YOU)
                  Quote: Undecim
                  If you are an experienced practitioner, please provide extracts from the normative documents governing the procedure for the submarine crew's actions upon ascent.

                  monsieur, and why did YOU decide that these documents are in the public domain?
                  and on this topic he said exactly so that neither me nor the resource would have problems
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Let's compare the options and determine where the truth is.

                  who you are?!?!? wassat
                  it's not even funny YOU are not able to comprehend the ELEMENTARY things in hydroacoustics!
                  Quote: Undecim
                  As for the Japanese submarine, the Japanese have already admitted that the collision was due to the fault of the crew.

                  quite possible - in this particular case
                  and otherwise (the examples of Lutsky and Proskurin are far from "piecemeal") may be completely different - even with the absolutely error-free work of the ship's crew and the commander, there were more than chances to get out under the ram of the ship!
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 11 February 2021 21: 07
                    +3
                    There is a lot of foam, information is absolute zero. Some kind of turbulent stream of exclamations. The only thing that you have clearly stated is your concept - you are the only d'Artagnan, all the others are tolerant. Happy voyage, d'Artagnan.
                    1. 2534M
                      2534M 11 February 2021 21: 21
                      -2
                      Quote: Undecim
                      There is a lot of foam, information is absolute zero

                      just YOU "the best SLOVOBLUD" did not come out with a mind for this lol
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Some kind of turbulent stream of exclamations.

                      however, understandable to ALL who are in the subject (or close to it - for example, civilian hydroacoustics)
                      Quote: Undecim
                      The only thing that you have clearly stated is your concept

                      fool
                      with this ACHINEA - to the PSYCHIATRIC
                      I'm not a doctor
                      Quote: Undecim
                      You are one d'Artagnan, all the rest

                      no, monsieur, YOU LIE
                      "everyone else" is ALL those who passed acc. preparation, passed tests (allowed) and actually managed all of this (well, or just "was attentively interested")
                      for example here -

                      EVERYTHING is absolutely clear and written in Russian (for someone who really wants to understand and understand not to "vilify" with a "fountain" of meaningless letters)
                      Quote: Undecim
                      Happy sailing

                      and the SPORKING of "the best SLOVOBLUD" is not over yet - YOU have not yet received yours for your ACHINA in torpedoes
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 11 February 2021 21: 27
                        +2
                        with this ACHINEA - to the PSYCHIATRIC
                        I am glad that you understand your problem, the matter is small. Don't be shy, a psychiatrist is a doctor like everyone else. And there is usually a narcologist nearby. Kill two birds with one stone with one torpedo. Happy sailing again, you are our executor!
                      2. 2534M
                        2534M 11 February 2021 21: 56
                        -2
                        Quote: Undecim
                        with this ACHINEA - to the PSYCHIATRIC
                        I am glad that you understand your problem,

                        bunny, don't talk nonsense lol
                        Quote: Undecim
                        small business

                        but not in YOUR CASE
                        WRITTEN YOU CLEARLY AND IN RUSSIAN - LAYER JUMP 25-30 meters (despite the fact that the safe depth for the 613 project was 30 meters, and for the next 40 and more), and "do not understand" this - you need to use fly agaric preparations very well wassat
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Kill two birds with one stone with one torpedo.

                        YOU bring this JACKET to your psychiatrist, not me
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Happy sailing again

                        Monsieur "the best SLOVOBLUD" wassat , why is YOU calm as a "Markitanian boat"? lol
                      3. Podvodnik
                        Podvodnik 12 February 2021 08: 48
                        +1
                        .You bring this TRUMP to your psychiatrist, not me


                        Enough to sort things out in that tone. Adults are people.

                        And it’s a no brainer, the crew did not know the surface situation, the organization of the BIP was disgusting, and gross mistakes and miscalculations were made during the ascent. The wines of the pl crew are present.
                        There will be an analysis, they will draw conclusions. Another entry will appear in the "accident and breakdown log".
                        Human error and a series of minor mistakes snowballing led to the collision. Thank God not to disaster.

                        Find out the reasons and take note. The sea does not forgive mistakes.
                      4. 2534M
                        2534M 12 February 2021 10: 07
                        -3
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        Enough to sort things out in this tone already

                        this is an answer to the "best slovoblud" resource lol
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        And it's a no brainer, the crew of the pl did not own the surface situation, BIP organization disgusting,

                        why did you decide that?
                        I repeat - yes, it is POSSIBLE
                        but with COMPLEX HYDROLOGY for submarines, target non-detection is quite realistic and with an excellently prepared GKP calculation
                      5. Podvodnik
                        Podvodnik 12 February 2021 11: 02
                        0
                        ... why did you decide that?


                        So the result is "on the face".

                        The boat is in the area for a certain time. And it is enough to illuminate the environment. For this, the boat makes certain maneuvers in course and depth.
                        We had a mine detection station on the ascent. Fisherman on the "stop". We dived. Once in the periscope not in the mine detection sector they saw closely. But the huge civilian "board" is making noise on the ocean floor. There, even the reflection from the bottom will be heard. It is clear, anything can happen. But you should try not to notice such an "elephant".
                        Hydrology is hydrology, but such huge civilians are much more powerful than the military.

                        That's what the surfacing procedures are for. We must comply.
                        Well, if there is a difficult jamming or surface situation, nothing prevents you from moving aside in advance and surfacing calmly. No one walks the seas anyhow. Everyone saves fuel, resources and follows the recommended courses. In short: "not knowing the ford, do not go into the water." Especially if you are blind and deaf.
                      6. 2534M
                        2534M 12 February 2021 12: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        The boat is in the area for a certain time. And it is enough to illuminate the environment. For this, the boat makes certain maneuvers in course and depth.

                        they do not give 100% guarantee !!! - I'm talking about specific difficult conditions of hydrology
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        But the huge civilian "board" is making noise on the ocean floor.

                        NONSENSE
                        some of my friends learned in practice what it is like on the ascent "the board of an ocean-going container ship does not fit into the periscope", and this is with "Skat-3" and experienced KBR and officials
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        Once a periscope is not in the mine detection sector

                        there is again a question in accounting for hydrology
                        because the sector of simultaneous vertical viewing in the "Harp" is small, and sometimes it "bends" well - that is, you need to count and assign it to the calculated value (it is convenient to do this on Sh-26)
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        But one should try not to notice such an "elephant".

                        in a situation of powerful GSS at shallow depth - elementary
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        Well, if there is a difficult jamming or surface situation, nothing prevents you from moving aside in advance

                        I do not know about Japs, but we have BP in polygons, respectively. restrictions
                        + factor "reference session"
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        Everyone saves fuel, resources and follows the recommended courses.

                        this is not true
                      7. 2534M
                        2534M 12 February 2021 13: 09
                        -2
                        Quote: Podvodnik
                        The boat is in the area for a certain time. And it's enough to illuminate the environment

                        for which the goal (s) can change the CPC (and being in the "shadow")
                        personally had to face - starting from "Boatswain dive !!!" (immediately after the periscope head came out of the water), and pumping by the "attack of the aircraft carrier anti-ship missile" on the BIUS screen after surfacing (a group of fishermen walked with the velocity vectors towards us, - "for the fish"
      2. georg 2
        georg 2 12 February 2021 02: 28
        -1
        As for the Japanese submarine, the Japanese have already admitted that the collision was due to the fault of the crew.

        Yes, this was already understandable, at least to everyone who was connected with this issue by the nature of their service on the submarine (commander of the SAC, chief of the RTS, boatswain, commander of the EVG, assistant, chief officer, commander.) The article was clearly not written by a professional, which did not serve on the submarine, not the naval style.
        1. 2534M
          2534M 12 February 2021 10: 03
          -3
          Quote: georg 2
          Yes, this was already clear, at least to everyone who was associated with this issue by the nature of their service on the submarine

          Monsieur Bukovsky, YOU have already explained your stupidity on this issue at the RPF by the ex-chief executive of the 613 project
          1. georg 2
            georg 2 12 February 2021 14: 53
            0
            Bukovsky, YOU have already explained your stupidity on this issue at the RPF by the ex-chief executive of the 613 project

            Will the miner be the com.GAK and the head of the RTS to teach what is going on in the CPU on the ascent? Your number in this case is 16 and the place on the ascent is the torpedo compartment, why do you go into topics that you do not know? Our shooter has ripened everywhere, or a plug in every barrel. Well, he knows everything, he can do everything, but everyone else did not serve, they did not command the BIP, they did not find targets, and after the dive they no longer surfaced. Did you submerge and surface on all the boats of the Northern Fleet? I commanded the BIP for 5 years on the BS and in the BP training grounds of the Barents Sea as Head of the RTS. Analyzed the situation in terms of targets on surfacing and reported to the commander. Klimov, you just went with your brains, should I talk about some stupidity? If you were in the CPU on the ascent on alarm, then as what? I'm not a couch expert, I'm a submariner, so stop curling up.
            1. 2534M
              2534M 12 February 2021 19: 47
              -2
              Quote: georg 2
              Will the miner be the com.GAK and the head of the RTS to teach what is going on in the CPU on the ascent?

              EASILY
              especially a miner who has successful knowledge and experience (including PERSONAL detections and contacts) work for SJSC "Skat-3"
              Quote: georg 2
              Your number in this case is 16 and your place on the ascent

              YOU STRAIGHT
              MULTIPLY CAPTURED FOR YOUR LONG AND LONG LANGUAGE
              give examples?
              PM
              Quote: georg 2
              What are you, on all the boats of the Northern Fleet sank and surfaced

              in the polygons BP was with Spravtsev
              KBCH-7 and his acoustics, by the way, were VERY and very competent SPECIALISTS
              therefore the result (BS) was as follows (GR KPL)
              Quote: georg 2
              I have commanded BIP for 5 years on the BS and in the training grounds of the Barents Sea BP

              NOT IN A HORSE FOOD
              see more about "Lazarevsky CHEST"
              Quote: georg 2
              Analyzed the situation by targets on surfacing

              YOU ARE PATHOLOGICALLY NOT ABLE for this
              Quote: georg 2
              Klimov, you went completely with your brains

              BUNNY, YOU drove with a brain, and for a long time
              Quote: georg 2
              If you were in the CPU on the ascent on alarm, then as what?

              ZAYKA, in my first crew ascents on BG2 were quite practiced
              COMMANDER
              in order to PREPARE BATTLE SHIFTS
              you can ask Sergey at RPF
              Quote: georg 2
              not a sofa expert, but a submariner

              YOU are Monsieur Bukovsky - LIES lol
  • didra
    didra 4 May 2021 14: 17
    +1
    I read your comments. You are really Hamlo. Nothing personal.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2021 14: 15
    0

    By the way, the absence of Russian boats in the list of accidents and emergencies is very encouraging.


    It's just that we have significantly fewer American and Japanese boats on duty at sea, so there are fewer such cases.

    There were similar cases in the USSR, there was even a collision of a Soviet submarine with a US aircraft carrier.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 February 2021 14: 38
    0
    Too many submarines and ships have become, and there are few safe fairways for a submarine in shallow waters. Maybe because of this.
  • 501Legion
    501Legion 11 February 2021 15: 47
    0
    all this clearly demonstrates that if there is a war, then one bomb and any boat will receive a koyuk. if they sometimes fail from collisions
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 11 February 2021 15: 59
    -1
    If this ship was floating above the boat with the engines turned off, how could she find it? Active sonar - unmasking yourself? And if there is a wooden boat or a sailing yacht at the top? .. Vacationers will come to a skiff ...
    Divers, unfortunately, look like blind people with a stick - only by hearing and by touch, bully but with nuclear missiles behind him, and not on foot, but at the speed of a car.
    All this is fraught ... The issue of collisions is a matter of time.
    1. 2534M
      2534M 11 February 2021 16: 26
      +1
      Quote: Falcon5555
      Active sonar - unmasking yourself?

      HF GUS there will be no unmasking
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 11 February 2021 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Falcon5555
      The divers, unfortunately, look like the blind with a stick

      and if instead of the "dragon" was our "Shark" ??? repeat
    3. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 12 February 2021 09: 24
      +1
      Active sonar - unmasking yourself?


      Peaceful time. Safety comes first. Active mode is in use.

      A combat mission is a completely different matter. Stealth is important here.

      Yes, bulk carriers and tankers just like that on the seas do not go anywhere. All follow the recommended courses along the recommended "fairways". And these recommended courses / fairways are plotted on the map. Surfacing in such places under the periscope is troublesome.
      1. 2534M
        2534M 12 February 2021 13: 00
        0
        Quote: Podvodnik
        Peaceful time. Safety comes first. Active mode is in use.

        somewhat wrong
        there is a "Harp" which can be done quite HIDDEN
        and this is important, incl. on BS
        Quote: Podvodnik
        All follow the recommended courses along the recommended "fairways".

        in the ocean?
        Are you sure you are not confusing anything?
        1. Falcon5555
          Falcon5555 12 February 2021 14: 02
          0
          The boat can collide with another boat at a depth on the "BS" - I hope I understood the abbreviation correctly. As I understand it, from my overland couch - at depth, they don't turn on anything active. If they approach each other nose to nose at the quietest speed, the propellers and motors, they, I suspect, will not hear each other? And if they hear something unintelligible, then in order to avoid a collision, understanding one fact that there is something somewhere in front somewhere is not enough. And if one follows the other from behind end-to-end and is mistaken in assessing the distance, then the same thing. Why, they did collide. sad
  • AAK
    AAK 11 February 2021 17: 29
    +1
    I think it's even simpler, you can see the crew watched the old American comedy about submariners "Remove the periscope" during the exit, well, they decided that the Japanese submariners were just as cool and they would slip between the screws of a dry cargo ship like a couple of sushi, and the Japanese officer in charge behind the rudders of depth, I chose the wrong angle of trim, well, and ..... :)))
  • K298rtm
    K298rtm 11 February 2021 22: 36
    +1
    The respected author has forgotten (most likely he is simply not in the know) about maneuvering to inspect the stern pods before surfacing.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 12 February 2021 02: 55
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    Quote: georg 2
    As for the Japanese submarine, the Japanese have already admitted that the collision was due to the fault of the crew.

    Yes, this was already understandable, at least to everyone who was connected with this issue by the nature of their service on the submarine (commander of the SAC, chief of the RTS, boatswain, commander of the EVG, assistant, chief officer, commander.) The article was clearly not written by a professional, which did not serve on the submarine, not the naval style.

    I can imagine how the boatswain would describe this incident in the naval style ... but he would be immediately banned from the VO, for life laughing

    PS Sorry, I didn't serve on a submarine, I don't know the naval style, but I'm intrigued. Not an author, just a reader. The question is - and among the Japanese the boatswain knows about our naval style.
  • kig
    kig April 7 2021 14: 19
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    In 2019, on the roadstead of Pohang (this is South Korea), I observed a picture: a helicopter was tacking a little to the side of us, low over the water, hovering from time to time. Then a water hump suddenly swelled in that area and began to move, also tacking. That is, it was an exercise - a helicopter was looking for a boat. The depths there are only about 30 meters, apparently it first lay on the ground, and when the helicopter found it, it began to move. The spectacle is enchanting. The boat did not appear on the surface, but the trail was such that it was impossible not to notice. Both the helicopter and the water hill could be observed with the naked eye, that is, it happened very close to the area where merchant ships are anchored and waiting in line at the port. Shortly before this hillock appeared, a small Korean tanker passed right in that area, that is, the area was not blocked for normal navigation. I then asked the navigators if we had received any warnings about the exercises - no, none. Later, the boat on the surface went to the base - and Pohang is a naval base - and it was possible to identify it, it was a German type 212 or 214. In general, acoustic equipment and acoustics there should be at a height, and in this regard, it is not entirely clear how the Japanese managed to stumble upon a steamer.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 May 2021 18: 51
    -1
    Otherwise, the list of submarines damaged during contacts with surface ships will continue to grow. And this, you see, is not very desirable

    Why is it undesirable?
    Let them fight, if only not ours.