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Two prototypes of modernized Ka-52M helicopters sent for testing

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Two prototypes of modernized Ka-52M helicopters sent for testing

Two prototypes of the upgraded Ka-52M helicopters were sent for testing. Work on the new helicopters was completed last year. This was told by the managing director of Arsenyevskaya aviation company "Progress" Yuri Denisenko.


During a visit to AAK "Progress" by the President's Plenipotentiary in the Far Eastern Federal District Yuri Trutnev, Denisenko showed the working capacity of the enterprise and spoke about the program for creating an upgraded version of the Ka-52M helicopter.

According to him, the company has manufactured two prototypes of the Ka-52M, they have already been sent to the Mil and Kamov National Helicopter Building Center, where they are undergoing scheduled tests.

(...) the planned completion date for development work is 2022. We meet this deadline, and taking into account the duration of the production cycle, we are ready to start assembling Ka-52M helicopters now in order to ensure the first deliveries of serial vehicles next year.

- said Denisenko.

In the middle of last year, Russian Helicopters reported that the revision of production vehicles into a modernized version should be completed by the end of 2020. This will be followed by preliminary flight and joint state tests. In the course of modernization, the helicopter will receive new onboard systems: navigation, sighting, fire control and communication systems, as well as new weapons unified with the Mi-28NM, armoring and an onboard defense system. At the same time, the car will retain the previous airframe, but will acquire additional fuel tanks.

The KA-52M test program should be completed in September 2022. In total, it is planned to get into service with 114 modernized helicopters.
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AAK "Progress"
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  1. Titus_2
    Titus_2 10 February 2021 15: 11
    -9
    Well, the majority for 28 drowns in every possible way ..... talking about the fact that Ka is generally stupid. I still think that two KB Mig and Su and also Mi Ka are optimal. Although all sorts of unions happened .... let's see what happens. And the main thing is that unification is underway.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 15: 17
      +4
      Quote: Titus_2
      Well, most over 28 drown in every possible way

      Nobody drowns for a high-speed helicopter a la Sikorsky? But like the Ka-52 is as close to the implementation of such a machine ...
      1. Maz
        Maz 10 February 2021 20: 20
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Quote: Titus_2
        Well, most over 28 drown in every possible way

        Nobody drowns for a high-speed helicopter a la Sikorsky? But like the Ka-52 is as close to the implementation of such a machine ...

        Yes, he would have to attach a pushing screw back to him, and it would not be bad
        1. hirurg
          hirurg 10 February 2021 20: 34
          +1
          At the back there is a stabilizing screw.
          With a coaxial scheme, there is no need for it.
          Moreover, the coaxial scheme has proven itself more reliably in stormy conditions, which is why it is at sea.
          Different machines, different tasks.
          Whether they can overlap remains a question.
          I think these issues are being resolved now.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 20: 44
            0
            Quote: hirurg
            Back screw-stabilizing

            For a high-speed one, you just need a PUSH. And a coaxial circuit to compensate for the overturning moment ...
            1. hirurg
              hirurg 10 February 2021 20: 48
              +1
              Why not immediately rocket?
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 20: 50
                +1
                Quote: hirurg
                Why not immediately rocket?

                Not economical. The turboprop is less voracious.
                1. hirurg
                  hirurg 10 February 2021 21: 01
                  0
                  The coaxial scheme is enough to develop speed, and in any direction. There, in my opinion, there are even speed records.
                  And if you attach a screw to the back ...
                  -drive gearboxes and tail and construction weighting
                  -load on motors
                  - and in general it will not fly coaxial will be extinguished by the rear
                  1. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 21: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: hirurg
                    - and in general it will not fly coaxial will be extinguished by the rear

                    Tell Sikorsky about this. In the sense of the firm. They have the 97th just according to this scheme, and fly more than 400 km / h.
                    1. hirurg
                      hirurg 10 February 2021 21: 26
                      0
                      So much the better for Sikorsky and for us. And worse for those who buy it.
                  2. hirurg
                    hirurg 10 February 2021 21: 14
                    0
                    Indulge in the forvater to go close on the motor behind the barge. The effect is the same.))
                    Vibration and shaking.
                  3. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 11 February 2021 07: 49
                    -3
                    Just, the scheme with one rotor is faster and more maneuverable. The air resistance is less and the overlap of the blades is excluded.
                  4. abc_alex
                    abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 00
                    0
                    Quote: hirurg
                    The coaxial scheme is enough to develop speed, and in any direction. There, in my opinion, there are even speed records.
                    And if you attach a screw to the back ...
                    -drive gearboxes and tail and construction weighting
                    -load on motors
                    - and in general it will not fly coaxial will be extinguished by the rear

                    The high-speed helicopter does not have a swashplate. Therefore, rectilinear movement can be carried out only at the expense of an additional propeller: a pushing screw. Or a pair of pulling ones. The swashplate is eliminated because a skewed propeller will create tremendous drag when chanting forward at high speeds.
                    The rear propeller does not extinguish the carriers, they work in different planes, just as the propeller and aircraft wings do not extinguish each other.
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 23
          0
          Quote: Maz
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Quote: Titus_2
          Well, most over 28 drown in every possible way

          Nobody drowns for a high-speed helicopter a la Sikorsky? But like the Ka-52 is as close to the implementation of such a machine ...

          Yes, he would have to attach a pushing screw back to him, and it would not be bad

          This is not enough. It is necessary to remove the machine distortions and change the shape of the rotor blades.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 February 2021 15: 22
      +12
      Quote: Titus_2
      Well, most over 28 drowns

      Who and where is it most?
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 42
        +2
        the same question is ripe
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 10 February 2021 16: 06
        +3
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Titus_2
        Well, most over 28 drowns

        Who and where is it most?

        Most of the minority.
    3. Voltsky
      Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 46
      +7
      apparently MO is not included in this majority.
      Russia Russian Air Force - more than 90 Mi-28N and 12 Mi-28UB units, as of 2020
      Ka-52 about 140 units
      1. dauria
        dauria 11 February 2021 01: 04
        0
        apparently MO is not included in this majority.


        "At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is not very cold .." Even Mil, creating a 24-ku, took care of the maximum possible use of the Mi-8 units on the new machine.
        Helicopter squadrons and regiments are overwhelmingly mixed.
        Transport and shock. Even the idea of ​​the Mi-28 (not to mention the Ka-52) against the background of the existing pair of Mi-24 - Mi-8MT now looks controversial. Not a damn thing came out of these machines. As there was a glider with characteristics 40 years ago, it is. Only the assortment was blinded to the misfortune of supply, operation and training. Modification of 24's weapons and equipment would bring the same result for much less money.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 February 2021 07: 50
          0
          This is Mi35 ... and a high-speed laboratory based on it
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 29
          0
          Quote: dauria
          Even the idea of ​​the Mi-28 (not to mention the Ka-52) looks controversial against the background of the existing pair of Mi-24 - Mi-8MT. Not a damn thing came out of these machines. As there was a glider with characteristics 40 years ago, it is.

          Why are you dissatisfied with the characteristics of a 40-year-old glider? There are such combat vehicles, whose characteristics suit the military even after 50 years. For example B-52 and Tu-95. Their gliders are even older. A high-speed helicopter is an exotic thing, for which it is not yet known whether there will be any application in the armies at all.
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    5. Quadro
      Quadro 11 February 2021 03: 44
      +1
      So there and then an article came out about the "incredible modification of the Mi-28" and that "it was nothing to refuse it in favor of the so-so ka-52" and the audience in the comments assented that the ka-52 was not boring to us. Or do you all have a short memory? So calm down your laughs, the author of the comment is right - most of the shirts here for the 28th tore.
  2. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 15: 30
    -5
    Quote: Titus_2
    Well, the majority for 28 drowns in every possible way ..... talking about the fact that Ka is generally stupid. I still think that two KB Mig and Su and also Mi Ka are optimal. Although all sorts of unions happened .... let's see what happens. And the main thing is that unification is underway.


    Not sure if most.
    But for me personally, I don't know why, but I am for Mi28NM + MIG35, rather than KA52 + SU))
    Just like that ... the former are more to my liking.) tongue
    But what is better, the pilots know .. yes
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 10 February 2021 15: 36
      +2
      My version is the Ka-52M + MiG-35D (double) + Su-57. But since the Mil school needs to be preserved, let them buy the Mi-28NM too, and the Su-34M will not be superfluous.
      1. Emil mamedoff
        Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 15: 46
        +2
        Well, by SU, I had more in mind the mass 30CM.) As for the SU57 and SU34, of course, the holy machines are a separate universe, so to speak good.) They are always needed, first of all for Russia itself.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 10 February 2021 16: 03
          +2
          The Su-57, especially the second stage, is the future of the VKS, in which a lot of time and money was invested. A new generation with fundamentally different capabilities in speed, aerodynamics, AFAR, new weapons. New generation multifunctional. The Su-34M is a modernized version of the Su-34 fighter-bomber that passed through Syria. The MiG-35 / MiG-35D is perfect for the role of a relatively inexpensive workhorse, a massive multi-functional front-line fighter. It is desirable in combination with AFAR. What else do we need with regards to fighters? Well, except that we need a new interceptor MiG-41. The Mi-28NM / Ka-52M can be produced in equal shares of the production of attack helicopters. But I'm still closer to the Ka-52. It is more maneuverable, more promising, again there is an option for the fleet. But this is my personal opinion.
          1. abc_alex
            abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 20
            0
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            The Mi-28NM / Ka-52M can be produced in equal shares of the production of attack helicopters. But I'm still closer to the Ka-52. It is more maneuverable, more promising, again there is an option for the fleet. But this is my personal opinion.

            KB Kamov does not have the potential to develop its car. I have already said that the Kamovites had radar SIGNIFICANTLY earlier than the Milians. So what? Was it used somehow? Not. But the radar station is the potential for new weapons. And if there is no independent development, then the end result is always two identical helicopters, but with a different scheme. At the same time, the Mi-28 has new weapon systems created as part of a single program with the helicopter's PNK, they develop in parallel, while the Ka-52 is "screwed from above". As a result, for example, Shturm-V works worse for Kamovites.
            The maneuverability of the KA-52 is, of course, beautiful. But the Mi-28 is also not a log with a screw, and Nesterov's loop is twisting. The vehicles have similar maneuvers, and with the installation of the radar, the target detection line is moved from 7-5 to 18-20 km. What does increased maneuverability decide in this case?

            You like the Ka-52 - your right, the car is really beautiful. But in battle, it's not beauty that decides, but the thoughtfulness of a complex solution. Unfortunately, the Ka-50 could not boast of this decision. And the Ka-52 does not actually develop independently.
      2. abc_alex
        abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 07
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        But since Mil school needs to be preserved, let them buy Mi-28NM too

        Don't worry too much about Mil school. Milev cars are actively sold all over the world. But the Kamovs - alas and ah. It was for the sake of preserving the Kamov school, which was on the brink due to the lack of large series, that the Ka-50 was admitted to the competition.
        And MI-28N is not being bought for the sake of preserving the school. But because only he is a truly combat vehicle, whose concept was created on the basis of combat experience. Unlike the Ka-50, whose concept was created solely with the aim of surprising the bosses.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 15 February 2021 20: 35
          0
          Quote: abc_alex
          It was for the sake of preserving the Kamov school, which was on the verge due to the lack of large series, that the Ka-50 was admitted to the competition.

          Well, if you believe the information in net, the Ka-50 won this competition by a large margin. And then some kind of mouse fuss began and it turned out that the Mi-28 also won.
          There was information that the Ka-50 and Ka-52 were supposed to fight together:
          a pair of Ka-50s as attack aircraft and their actions are corrected and directed by a machine that sees further and has a special person for data processing - the Ka-52. But they did not understand how.
          But I am a supporter that all three helicopters were in the army. Practice will show which of these is the most viable.
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 15: 34
    0
    It is good that words do not differ from deeds.
  4. hydroy
    hydroy 10 February 2021 16: 10
    -2
    The missiles fired and I forgot there is still no)
    1. Emil mamedoff
      Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 20: 08
      -2
      The missiles fired and I forgot there is still no)


      In a dream they will see "fired and forgot".))
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex 12 February 2021 02: 21
      0
      Quote: hydroy
      The missiles fired and I forgot there is still no)

      But there are missiles "shot and hit".
  5. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 16: 17
    -6
    Quote: Voletsky
    apparently MO is not included in this majority.
    Russia Russian Air Force - more than 90 Mi-28N and 12 Mi-28UB units, as of 2020
    Ka-52 about 140 units

    A MO procurement decision does not always mean purchasing what you need.
    Terminator with 100-year-old weaponry, massive rearmament on T72B3, instead of T14 or at least T90M. Also about BMP-2M and armored personnel carriers.
    And there are many such examples. UAVs, ATGMs of the new generation (which are not) there too.
    Just about the fact that the decision of the Ministry of Defense does not always mean correct.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 10 February 2021 16: 46
      +3
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Terminator with 100-year-old weaponry

      how many of those terminators were purchased? once to practice the concept and understanding of the place on the battlefield
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      mass rearmament on T72B3

      was it better to leave the unmodernized 72s in operation?
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      at least T90M

      how many T-90s are in the troops?
      1. Emil mamedoff
        Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 17: 02
        -7
        T90-M "Breakthrough" in the troops of 20-25 units. T14 may even be less.
        And?
        1. lucul
          lucul 10 February 2021 17: 15
          0
          T90-M "Breakthrough" in the troops of 20-25 units. T14 may even be less.
          And?

          Do you know which tank fleet in Russia? Do you know how much money is needed to re-equip all tank units with T-90 and T-14? )))
          1. Emil mamedoff
            Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 17: 20
            -6
            I know, and no one talks about completely replacing everything at once. Have you released at least a few hundred pieces?
            1. lucul
              lucul 10 February 2021 17: 25
              0
              I know, and no one talks about completely replacing everything at once. Have you released at least a few hundred pieces?

              The cost of the T-90MS is $ 4.3 million. One hundred T-90 is $ 400 million.
              And yes, there are already 90 T-400s in the army.
              1. Emil mamedoff
                Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 17: 31
                -2
                And yes, there are already 90 T-400s in the army.


                For half an hour we have been talking about T14 and T90M Breakthrough.
                And you are all about yours.

                https://dfnc.ru/katalog-vooruzhenij/tanki/t-90m-proryv/
                1. lucul
                  lucul 10 February 2021 17: 34
                  -3
                  https

                  It is written in black and white - 400 T-90s in the army.
                  1. Emil mamedoff
                    Emil mamedoff 10 February 2021 17: 41
                    -4
                    It is written in black and white that 20-25 pcs.


                    1. lucul
                      lucul 10 February 2021 17: 50
                      0
                      It is written in black and white that 20-25 pcs.

                      Oh my God, isn't the T-90 already the T-90? And the T-90 is now your only T-90 M?
                      See the number of T-90 modifications
                      1992 - n. at.

                      T-90 1992-2004
                      T-90A 2004-2011
                      T-90S 2001 - present in.
                      T-90SA 2004 - present in.
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 10 February 2021 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: Emil Mamedoff
          T90-M "Breakthrough" in the troops of 20-25 units. T14 may even be less.
          And?

          Did I ask about the upgraded T-90?
          the bottom line is that the t-90m is now interesting primarily as a project for the modernization of the existing t-90.
          it is impractical to build new ones, while leaving the operated 72s at the level of the 80s - 90s.
          therefore, two main directions in updating the tank fleet are upgrading to the level of t-72b3 and t-90m
        3. Quadro
          Quadro 11 February 2021 03: 47
          0
          Quote: Emil Mamedoff
          T90-M "Breakthrough" in the troops of 20-25 units. T14 may even be less.
          And?

          Do not carry nonsense. T-14 at least 20 pieces made pre-production, and maybe there are already fifty.
  6. prior
    prior 10 February 2021 17: 33
    -3
    "During a visit to AAK "Progress" by the Plenipotentiary Representative of the President in the Far Eastern Federal District Yuri Trutnev"

    And what, without Trutnev, helicopters can not ...? are not being upgraded?
  7. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 11 February 2021 00: 05
    -2
    In general, he was never born.
    Mil and Kamov did not give birth to a child
    in 4.5 months.
    Amen.