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Knives in Russia: edged weapons or not?

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In everything that concerns weapons or items directly or indirectly related to it, the awareness of the population of our country is at an extremely low level.


There is a lack of understanding of what is permitted and what is prohibited to acquire, store, carry and use for hunting or self-defense. This often leads to the fact that people simply do not use the opportunities that the state provides them to implement their hobbies or to ensure their safety.

The opposite situation often arises when a person acquires and uses certain items, and later it turns out that these actions are a violation of the legislation of the Russian Federation. Which at best leads to a fine, and at worst - to criminal liability.

One of these "gray areas" is information on cold weapons (CW). It often includes knives used in everyday life with a folding or fixed blade, which, in fact, are not any "cold weapon".

It is also worth distinguishing between the concepts of "cold steel" and "an object used as a cold weapon". In the second case, the definition is applied as a context to the description of the commission of a crime, then an ordinary stone can act as an object used as a cold weapon.

A bit of history - knives in the USSR


In the Soviet Union, the attitude towards knives was extremely negative.

In fact, most of the knives sold were either extremely scarce in their characteristics or belonged to melee weapons, which could only be purchased with a hunting ticket. Of course, part of the primitiveness of the knives sold was due to the general primitiveness of the market for civilian products in the USSR. But legislative restrictions on their use also played a significant role.


Most of the knives sold in Soviet hardware and travel stores were conceptually reminiscent of Victorinox-style Swiss army knives, given the generally terrible workmanship.

The illegal acquisition and carrying of cold steel in the USSR was punishable by criminal liability. Any use of even a non-cold knife as a weapon of self-defense would most likely also lead to condemnation of the defender.

Of course, the criminal world ignored all these prohibitions - if someone is going to commit robbery or murder, then the legality of carrying the weapon of crime will not bother him much.

However, criminals often used (and are using) household items for these purposes. For example, an awl or screwdriver. So the strict restrictions on the carrying of knives did not bring any advantages to potential victims.

The lack of quality knives on sale led to a large number of cases of their handicraft production. Moreover, for making a knife and trying to sell it, one could get another term. Sometimes quite interesting specimens came across. However, rarely do any of them compare with modern high-quality factory products.


The so-called "Zonovka" knives. It is not known for certain whether the above specimens were made in the USSR or in modern Russia. However, conceptually and technologically they have hardly changed much.

Russian Federation


After the collapse of the USSR, the situation changed dramatically.

First, the carrying of edged weapons was decriminalized. Now only administrative responsibility arose for this act.

The criteria for classifying knives as melee weapons are quite clearly indicated in GOST R 51215-98 and in the Federal Law "On Weapons" of 13.12.1996 N 150-FZ.

Now most of the knives available to citizens of the Russian Federation meet the requirements of GOST R 51644-2000 "Cutting and skinning knives", GOST R 51501-99 "Tourist and special sports knives", GOST 51548-2000 "Knives for survival", GOST 51500-99 "Knives and hunting daggers ", GOST 52737-2007" Hunting cleavers, tourist machetes ", GOST 51015-97" Household and special knives ".

In addition, most manufacturers (to avoid misunderstandings between the owner of the knife and law enforcement officers) include a copy of the certificate in the delivery kit, certifying that it does not belong to melee weapons.


Examples of certificates for knives

However, neither the availability of information in the age of the Internet, nor the widespread sale of knives in all types of retail outlets (from stalls with Chinese junk to large federal chains) have largely changed the public's opinion that carrying a knife is a crime.

Cold / not cold


In order to become a "cold weapon" a knife must meet a number of criteria. Moreover, the discrepancy between only one of them immediately excludes it from the specified category.

Immediately we can distinguish knives that are prohibited for circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation, according to the Federal Law "On Weapons" of 13.12.1996 N 150-FZ.

These are knives, the blades and blades of which are either automatically removed from the handle when you press a button or lever and are fixed by them, or they are extended by gravity or accelerated movement and automatically fixed, with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm.

The first include the well-known "switch" knives.

And to the second - the so-called "butterflies" or knives like "balisong".

In fact, this is, of course, stupidity. Because these knives are no more dangerous than any others. But this is the lesser of evils, only making it difficult for amateurs and collectors to acquire some interesting and by no means cheap knife models. Most likely, these knives got into the Federal Law "On Weapons" because of their film-criminal reputation, which has nothing to do with reality.

Knives in Russia: edged weapons or not?
Microtech Halo 5 switchblade knife with frontal ejection of the blade, prohibited for circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation. Its cost is about $ 1000.

Butterfly balisong knife

Collectors are, of course, sorry. And the additional profit would not hurt the market. But in fact it is better to leave it as it is. Since the risk of toughening the Law "On Weapons" when it is adjusted is always higher than its relaxation.

Based on the existing GOSTs, the following main features of CW can be distinguished:

- the length of the blade must be at least 90 mm;


Knives with a blade length of up to 90 mm cannot be melee weapons, including this applies to switch knives.

- blade butt thickness from 2,6 to 6 mm;

- the presence of stops (guards) or sub-finger grooves with a height of more than 5 mm, for knives with more than one groove or stop, their size should be less than 4 mm;

- steel hardness from 42 HRC and above;

- the presence of a sharpened blade.

Inconsistency of the knife to even one of the signs immediately removes it from the "cold weapon".

In addition, there are still distinctive features that make it possible to judge that the knife does not belong to XO. In particular, these are:

- folding knives with a blade length of up to 150 mm, when folded does not exceed the length of the handle;


The blade length of the Benchmade Harley Davidson 13220 LFK / Heckler & Koch knife exceeds the length of the handle, but it is not a melee weapon. Perhaps the certifying authority considered the retractable element to be part of the handle or took into account the lack of a developed guard and sub-finger grooves.

- knives in which the blade edge is located more than 5 mm above the butt line. In fact, like a strongly curved "oriental" dagger. It is believed that such a knife is difficult to inflict a penetrating blow. This also includes knives with a blade, in which the deflection of the butt is more than 5 mm with a length of up to 180 mm and more than 10 mm with a length of more than 180 mm (crescent-shaped blades);


For whom karambit is a combat knife for inflicting cutting-ripping blows, and for whom it is a “garden knife”. From top to bottom: "garden knife" (USSR), also known as "Michurin knife" (since the XNUMXth century they were used by orderlies on the battlefield to cut the uniforms of wounded soldiers, and during the Second World War they were part of the packing of a medical military bag), modified karambits Spyderco Civilian and Cold Steel Black Talon II.

- knives with a handle up to 70 mm, which made it possible to remove the so-called "butt" knives from the XO sign;


Dart knives could be effectively used for self-defense, since they are more difficult to knock / drop from the hand, and possession of them requires less skills, if not for the law enforcement practice in the Russian Federation, which maximally contributes to the criminalization of self-defense, especially self-defense with a knife. However, this claim is no longer about knives.

- knives without a tip, intended only for cutting, that is, knives with which it is difficult to inflict a stabbing blow, as well as knives in which the blade and butt converge at an angle of more than 70 degrees (chisel);


Knives without a sharp point cannot be a melee weapon

- knives with a blade hardness less than 42 HRC - any cheap low-price category sold in stalls, and knives made of fragile materials - plastic, aluminum, silumin, etc.


High-strength plastic knives are not legally melee weapons, but they may well be used as such in fact.

In reality, most crimes are committed with knives or other objects that do not in any way fall into the list of knives. Most often, they do not come close to him.

Actually, it was the same in the USSR.

Even a complete ban on carrying knives, as mentioned above, does not ensure that they or any other dangerous objects (screwdrivers, awl, hammers, etc.) are not used as cold weapons in the commission of crimes.


The leader of the criminal rating of the Russian Federation and most other post-Soviet countries is not a melee weapon and is available in the kitchen in almost every family.

Therefore, any prohibitive measures against CW are obviously ineffective. And they serve only as an imitation of violent activity on the part of legislators to obtain the approval of overly impressionable aunts and males equated to them.

Something like:

"Do not worry. Yes, you were stabbed to death. But this was done with an illegally carried knife. For this we will add two months to the offender's deadline. "

It is significant that Russian knife laws are among the most liberal in the world.

In most countries of the world (both in the west and in the east), the laws in this regard are much stricter. However, as we said earlier, there is no benefit to citizens from this. This is just an illusion of security and order. Perhaps we will return to the topic of legislative restrictions on knives in other countries.

On the other hand, knives are not primarily self-defense weapons. A versatile tool. One of the most demanded in everyday human activities.

In addition to the practical value for many, knives are also aesthetic, serving as hobbies and / or collectibles.

Knives are produced by a huge number of foreign and Russian companies.

It should be noted that recently in Russia, very worthy samples of fixed and (more importantly) folding knives have been produced. (Making quality folding knives is much more difficult than making fixed knives.)

We will talk about the manufacturers and design features of knives, the materials and technologies used in them, as well as the evolution of knife steels in the following materials.
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  1. bk0010
    bk0010 14 February 2021 15: 17
    +6
    Based on the existing GOSTs, the following main features of CW can be distinguished:
    ...
    - the presence of a sharpened blade.
    Dirk is not a weapon? But...
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 14 February 2021 15: 30
      +3
      And in the top photo, a three-blade "Jagdkommando" knife.
      Not a word about him at all.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 14 February 2021 18: 45
      +3
      Quote: bk0010
      Dirk is not a weapon? But...

      On our modern daggers, metal is very soft, apparently, that's why it doesn't work as a weapon. Simply, a status thing.
      The Kukri knife is the same, it does not fall under the classification "weapon" (but already because of the bending of the blade)
      1. garri-lin
        garri-lin 14 February 2021 20: 54
        +4
        Especially paradoxical considering that he is included in the outfit of the Gurka.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: garri-lin
          Especially paradoxical considering that he is included in the outfit of the Gurka.

          So what? Why is it cooler than an ax (tomahawk, tourist hatchet)? Ethnicity?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 25
            +2
            Well, the Gurki are desperate fighters. And the knife is more important for them than the fire. It's like an element of their soul. And they cut a lot with such knives. In fact, it is no different from what you have listed. However, HP 40 or bayonet knife will not be bought. And the fighting Kukri please.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 32
              +4
              Quote: garri-lin
              Well, how would Gurki desperate fighters

              This is a question of education and training, not ethnicity.
              Quote: garri-lin
              And a knife is more important for them than a fireball.

              If so, then this does not mean the development of the intellect. A knife cannot compete against a firearm. This is an axiom.
              Quote: garri-lin
              However, HP 40 or bayonet knife will not be bought.

              You just don't know where.
              Quote: garri-lin
              And the fighting Kukri please.

              In all these legends, the word "combat" amuses me the most. Then a pencil can be called, a matter of skill and preparation.
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 36
                +6
                In Russia, it is forbidden to own combat melee weapons. Нр40 and bayonet knife belong to those. I'm talking about originals and not about poor replicas. But the combat kukri is calmly allowed despite no less fighting than the original bayonet knife. And maybe a big one.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  Нр40

                  Did you know that during the Second World War, the Finnish (NR-40 including) often had a butt thickness of about 2,5 mm and was very successfully used on the fronts. In the Russian Federation, a Finn with a thickness of less than 3 mm is not a CW. Did not know? Now you know. wink
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 42
                    0
                    2,6 in the terms of reference. However, try buying the original. And find out why the replica has a modified blade shape.
                    1. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: garri-lin
                      2,6 in the terms of reference. However, try buying the original. AND find out why the replica has a changed blade shape.

                      You just don't know wink ... And the replicas sell, and the original. And I will drive you almost any blade and any shape where necessary. AND find out do not wink
                      1. garri-lin
                        garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 50
                        0
                        The replica looks frankly shabby. But the free circulation of the original is strange. When I found out people in uniform from friends they did not advise me very much. Especially they move around with such a knife even in a backpack around the city going on a tourist walk. Very much not advised.
                      2. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: garri-lin
                        When I found out people in uniform from friends they did not advise me very much.

                        And you tell them everything more often and share your opinion, they will be glad. laughing
                2. Raven 95
                  Raven 95 14 February 2021 22: 52
                  +8
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  In the Russian Federation, a Finn with a thickness of less than 3 mm is not a CW. Did not know? Now you know

                  So you can bring it under the article.
                  GOST R 51500-99
                  5.1 This standard establishes the limiting dimensions for the blades of hunting knives, which are civilian cold bladed weapons, mm, more:

                  2,6 - butt thickness;
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 14 February 2021 22: 55
                    -6
                    Quote: Raven-95
                    2,6 - butt thickness;

                    I'm also an expert. I wrote less than 3 mm. Yes, there are other different points, take at least NOKS
                    Lawyers ... laughing
                    1. Raven 95
                      Raven 95 14 February 2021 23: 01
                      +10
                      We will consider various points later.
                      Have you written less than 3 mm now?
                      2,9 is less than 3mm?
                      By the thickness of the butt 2,9 do we fall into the XO criterion?
                      We get there.
                      ____
                      Goodbye, expert!
                      lol
                    2. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 07
                      -8
                      Quote: Raven-95
                      Goodbye, expert!

                      Give you a ride in. wink
                    3. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 February 2021 17: 36
                      0
                      Knowingly they drove you where you want, Tank! good
                      But what about the logic that was almost always inherent in you? wink
                      PS It is clear, they burst, with whom it does not happen. laughing Even I sometimes .... repeat
                      Is it a hobby for knives, or a mania for Kochergin?
                    4. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 18 February 2021 20: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Knowingly they drove you where you want, Tank!
                      But what about the logic that was almost always inherent in you?
                      PS It is clear, they burst, with whom it does not happen. Even I sometimes ....
                      Is it a hobby for knives, or a mania for Kochergin?

                      What are you speaking about? About guests and the thickness of the blade, or criminal liability? I threw a video there about a knife from the company NOX (Jaguar M) for an example, see its characteristics. In fact, it is the reincarnation of a PMA trench knife, in fact, not an XO. laughing What are you happy about? Themselves started talking about logic. Where do you have it? wink
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Is it a hobby for knives, or a mania for Kochergin?

                      And where is the logic?
                      By Koi u mnu there is a belt and prizes, more than one year of study. No mania, just critical thinking and common sense. One of the best hand-to-hand knife fighting systems. IMHO. Well, if you understand what I mean by the term "knife fighting" (symmetrical knife contact or knife fencing, as you please, here is not the most important thing wink ). repeat
                    5. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 February 2021 21: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      What are you happy about?

                      Where did you see the joy? belay But the person gave you an example about GOST for a reason, it is also taken into account in the list of XO signs. If there is a combination of these, no piece of paper stating that this cleaver is not XO will not help you. And our law enforcement practice is ambiguous, I'm sure you know that.
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      No mania, just critical thinking and common sense.

                      Already a mania. laughing Kochergin impresses me, although there are many controversial points in the latest vidos. Regarding the knife fight, I agree, everything is simple and logical, without eastern show-offs. There is little experience in knife fighting with plastic (not rubber) knives. Painfully. bully
                      I am a little familiar with the Kadochnikov system, and although Kochergin is critical of contactless people, I think this is a good addition to the ARB. Some points fit well in the application, especially in the wrestling in the standing position.
                      A personal question - it turns out to live according to the theses described in the book "A Man with an Ax"? Taking into account the realities of the Criminal Code, in real life?
                    6. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 18 February 2021 21: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      But the person gave you an example about GOST for a reason, it is also taken into account in the list of XO signs. If there is a combination of these, no piece of paper stating that this cleaver is not XO will not help you.

                      This individual initially tried to prove to me that I was bringing someone under the article (apparently criminal). Although there is no criminal article for possession, wearing and acquisition in the Russian Federation, but only for manufacturing and selling. And then he began to draw his facts to his own opinion. The system for determining CW in the Russian Federation is diverse and there the thickness of the blade is not always the main value. A video on the topic of certain dimensions and, in general, the performance characteristics of a knife, which is sold freely in the Russian Federation, I threw it off, I hope you looked. He just wanted to make me look bad and that's it. Well, let it be with him. In the Russian Federation, at the moment, some short-bladed objects that do not fall under the definition of CW are superior in damaging effect to objects related to short-bladed CW. IMHO. Regarding Kochergin, I do not agree with him on everything, but I consider him a literate individual, and his system of hand-to-hand combat is more than working. Some of his developments in this subject, I would withdraw from widespread use, because they are very simple and extremely effective.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      I am a little familiar with the Kadochnikov system, and although Kochergin is critical of contactless people, I think this is a good addition to the ARB

                      There are too many swindlers on this topic. who, by their actions, turned Ded's system into a laughingstock. And also my personal opinion. The system should not be complicated, but should be as simple and efficient as possible. Kadochnikov is not for everyone, you must agree.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      A personal question - it turns out to live according to the theses described in the book "A Man with an Ax"? Taking into account the realities of the Criminal Code?

                      I gave up reading this book as soon as I started. I am more interested in the applied moments of technology, and not in the stories of previous years.
                    7. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 February 2021 21: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Some of his developments in this subject, I would withdraw from widespread use, because they are very simple and extremely effective.

                      Probably I do not agree, because inadequate ones are blown away too quickly at this rate of training. And the ideology is different there.
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Kadochnikov is not for everyone, you must agree.

                      I agree, as well as about the swindlers. I personally know Lavrov, and I know how many swindlers are hovering around this truly outstanding student of Ded.
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quit reading this book as soon as I started

                      In vain, because there are many ideological aspects that are simply necessary as an addition to the applied ones. For without principles and ideas, we are robots. Specially trained people are akin to guard dogs, no matter how it sounds.
                    8. Tank hard
                      Tank hard 18 February 2021 22: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Probably I do not agree, because inadequate ones are blown away too quickly at this rate of training. And the ideology is different there.

                      At first I started typing at length an answer on this topic, and then I realized that it was better not to draw undue attention to this. after all, most people do not know this topic or are mocking (not knowing the topic again). That's good. wink
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      In vain, because there are many ideological aspects that are simply necessary as an addition to the applied ones. For without principles and ideas, we are robots. Specially trained people are akin to guard dogs, no matter how it sounds.

                      Well, I have my own long-established ideology, I don't need another one. hi
                    9. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 February 2021 23: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      and then I realized that it is better not to involve

                      Few eat. But everyone knows who needs it. Such movements, like Dedovsky, are constantly under control, and from within.
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      I have a long-established ideology, I don’t need another.

                      As one of the wise said, only the fools and the dead do not change their opinions.
                      But it is strange to me that a person who has achievements in Koi ignores the ideology of its creator. Why? You can in a personal, I promise to leave the correspondence between us.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 25
        -4
        We get there.
        but no, the deflection of the butt is more than 5 mm., with the length of the blade - up to 180 mm., does not fall in any way - from the word AT ALL !!!
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard 16 February 2021 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Intruder
        but no, the deflection of the butt is more than 5 mm., with the length of the blade - up to 180 mm., does not fall in any way - from the word AT ALL !!!

        Yes, they are generally experts here. laughing The crime in the Russian Federation comes only for the manufacture of chemical weapons and its sale (and here are the options). But where are we stupid versus experts. request lol
  • bk0010
    bk0010 15 February 2021 21: 21
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    Нр40 and bayonet knife belong to those. I'm talking about originals and not about poor replicas.
    It is unlikely that a replica of a bayonet knife can be worse than the original. This "weapon" broke when trying to open canned food with it.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 15 February 2021 21: 37
      +3
      squeezed out of one friend in 2001. Unfortunately, it was re-sharpened ineptly. Hands will not reach to put the descents in order. I went to the forest with him several times. As you can see, intact. Although I admit. The steel is disposable there. Consumable in fact. But from opening canned food, it clearly did not break.
      1. Fat
        Fat 17 February 2021 17: 27
        +1
        It is noticeable that he was honed. But it almost doesn't make sense. The material does not allow to be at the level of even a simple hunting knife.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 February 2021 18: 45
          +2
          Chop the pegs, cut off enough chips. I was younger and simply showed off in front of tourists. From a practical point of view, the same Mora is lighter and more functional.
  • Simargl
    Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 37
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    In Russia, it is forbidden to own combat melee weapons.
    Just a couple of questions: how does a combat XO differ from, say, a hunting one?
    And what is bad about the HP-40, like the bayonet-knife as a "combat" one?
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 16 February 2021 18: 51
      -1
      The question is that you can kill a Chinese cook and a great-grandfather's trench dagger with which he wielded hand-to-hand in the First World War. In general, the division of items into Combat Cold Weapons and everything else is absurd. Precisely objects. In the days of my youth, half of the district went with curly screwdrivers. Now in cars they carry either souvenir bamboo shovels for shoeing shoes or bits from a 22 × 55 SDS perforator, smeared with dust and lithology, wrapped in a rag. As a weapon to which law enforcement agencies are not buried. A person will always find how and how to harm his neighbors. And the difference is not great how to cut off the skull with a telescopic baton or drill.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 27
        0
        Quote: garri-lin
        The question is what can be stabbed by a Chinese cook and a great-grandfather's trench dagger
        The question was in the difference between combat and hunting.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 17 February 2021 21: 06
          0
          There are, of course, differences. As well as between the hunting and dining room. Or with a tourist. Only now it has no advantages over non-combat combat. All other things being equal, type of blade size and user experience.
    2. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 18: 54
      0
      And why, as an example, HP-40, and not "Cherry"?
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 28
        0
        Quote: Thick
        why as an example HP-40, and not "Cherry"?
        HP is the advertised knife ...
        1. Fat
          Fat 17 February 2021 19: 55
          0
          "Cherry" - this is NR-43, very, very well-known. So why did you choose the 40th sample?
          Just wondering
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Thick
          You choosed?

          I AM?! belay
          Quote: Tank Hard
          (NR-40 including)
        3. Fat
          Fat 17 February 2021 20: 17
          0
          Well then, I'm sorry. hi Inattention.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 04
    +1
    In all these legends, the word "combat" amuses me the most. Then a pencil can be called, a matter of skill and preparation.
    an ordinary fork, a much more "fighting" tool, because: "one blow - four holes"! laughing
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 February 2021 06: 54
      +2
      Quote: Intruder
      an ordinary fork, a much more "fighting" tool, because: "one blow - four holes"!

      It is quite a correct statement, because it is not the object that rules, but the operator. It's just that some items expand the operator's capabilities. And yes, goals and objectives, as well as objects and operators, are completely different. hi
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 17 February 2021 18: 43
    0
    The most dangerous ethno and the certificate give
    1. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 19: 04
      0
      Bro, turn to Sergey (Bubalik) He will colorfully criticize the "bullshit" offered by you. This is not a Finnish woman, but an attribute for intimidating a selmag saleswoman stop
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 17 February 2021 19: 07
        0
        I have one-piece with the letter "H" on the blade from X12MF. And not so glamorous.
        1. Fat
          Fat 17 February 2021 19: 18
          +1
          Nothing to say. Any blade and wrench made of fine alloy steel is not a tool for reducing the number of its own kind, but an important tool. Often irreplaceable.
          1. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 17 February 2021 19: 22
            +1
            But even tasty Salo becomes tastier when you cut with a good knife ...
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 29
      0
      Quote: a.hamster55
      give a certificate
      Fake! The blade is not the right shape!
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 17 February 2021 19: 52
        0
        Probably a special order for beginners ...
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 15 February 2021 10: 05
    +3
    Quote: Bad_gr
    so( dirk) as a weapon does not pass. Simply, a status thing.

    It is a pity that thousands of families keep this status item as a memory, but they fear that the state will find out about it.
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 16 February 2021 11: 57
      +2
      In fact, even under the communists, keeping edged weapons was not a crime. Checkers on carpets in apartments and houses from Soviet films - do you remember? The usual thing.
    2. Simargl
      Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 43
      0
      Quote: AlexVas44
      but they fear that the state will find out about it.
      I'm afraid to ask: and what will he do when he finds out? Nothing?
    3. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 19: 22
      0
      I never jerked! As the blade was dozens of years ago, it remains untouched neither by time nor by the state ... Only the brass scabbard darkens
  • Fat
    Fat 17 February 2021 17: 32
    0
    Wonderful! I will know about this "deflection" in the classification of XO, I will look ... Kuhri seems to be not quite a knife in general. A versatile tool.
  • Obliterator
    Obliterator 15 February 2021 01: 56
    +1
    Quote: bk0010
    Dirk is not a weapon? But...

    A dagger anyway a weapon.
  • Fat
    Fat 17 February 2021 17: 22
    0
    Ceremonial blade in most cases fellow There are, of course, exceptions.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 15: 18
    +2
    I still do not understand from the article - are "butterflies" allowed now or not? repeat
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 14 February 2021 15: 26
      +2
      knives prohibited for circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation, according to the Federal Law "On Weapons" dated 13.12.1996 N 150-FZ.

      These are knives, blades and blades of which are either automatically removed from the handle when you press a button or lever and are fixed by them, or are extended by gravity or accelerated movement and are automatically locked when the blade and blade length is more than 90 mm.

      If the blade is less than 90 mm, then you can hover.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 16: 06
        +1
        Quote: Flood
        knives prohibited for circulation on the territory of the Russian Federation, according to the Federal Law "On Weapons" dated 13.12.1996 N 150-FZ.

        These are knives, blades and blades of which are either automatically removed from the handle when you press a button or lever and are fixed by them, or are extended by gravity or accelerated movement and are automatically locked when the blade and blade length is more than 90 mm.

        If the blade is less than 90 mm, then you can hover.

        I'm not talking about the length of the blade))) What a nafig "butterfly" less than at least 15 cm))) I'm talking about steel, if it does not pass in quality, then? ...
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 14 February 2021 16: 54
          +3
          Quote: Corona without virus
          I'm not talking about the length of the blade))) What a nafig "butterfly" less than at least 15 cm))) I'm talking about steel, if it does not pass in quality, then? ...

          Article 6 of the Weapons Act prohibits the circulation of this type of knives with a blade length of more than 90 mm. regardless of the quality of the steel and the color of the wearer's skin.
          http://base.garant.ru/10128024/8b7b3c1c76e91f88d33c08b3736aa67a/
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 17: 03
            0
            Quote: Flood
            Quote: Corona without virus
            I'm not talking about the length of the blade))) What a nafig "butterfly" less than at least 15 cm))) I'm talking about steel, if it does not pass in quality, then? ...

            Article 6 of the Weapons Act prohibits the circulation of this type of knives with a blade length of more than 90 mm. regardless of the quality of the steel and the color of the wearer's skin.
            http://base.garant.ru/10128024/8b7b3c1c76e91f88d33c08b3736aa67a/

            Ok, ATP !!! drinks hi
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 17: 21
              +1
              Quote: Crown without virus
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: Corona without virus
              I'm not talking about the length of the blade))) What a nafig "butterfly" less than at least 15 cm))) I'm talking about steel, if it does not pass in quality, then? ...

              Article 6 of the Weapons Act prohibits the circulation of this type of knives with a blade length of more than 90 mm. regardless of the quality of the steel and the color of the wearer's skin.
              http://base.garant.ru/10128024/8b7b3c1c76e91f88d33c08b3736aa67a/

              Ok, ATP !!! drinks hi

              For what thanks to him? He wrote an anecdote.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 14 February 2021 17: 40
                +1
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                For what thanks to him? He wrote an anecdote

                Do not ascribe merit to others. Until now, he has not been seen in lawmaking.

                Federal Law "On Weapons"
                6 Article. Restrictions on the circulation of civil and service weapons
                The following are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation:
                1) turnover as a civil and service weapon:

                cold bladed weapons and knives, the blades and blades of which are either automatically removed from the handle when a button or lever is pressed and fixed by them, or are extended by gravity or accelerated movement and are automatically fixed, with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm, with the exception of cold weapons of cultural value, including old (antique) edged weapons, copies of old (antique) edged weapons and replicas of old (antique) edged weapons
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 18: 25
                  +2
                  Quote: Flood
                  with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm,

                  Go to any kitchen, grab the hostess for storing "blade and blade" more than 90 mm. laughing
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 18: 37
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Flood
                    with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm,

                    Go to any kitchen, grab the hostess for storing "blade and blade" more than 90 mm. laughing

                    I’ll sober up tomorrow - I’ll read carefully the Law on Weapons again, I haven’t read it for a long time, or rather read it - but only in the section on firearms, when the Boar bought himself and went through all the circles of hell)))

                    Thanks to everyone who replied to my post !!! good drinks

                    I, as a "normal yard kid" already at the age of 12 had my "butterfly" and knew how to make it fly ... repeat But then it was forbidden ... Here I will read the Law, if allowed - I will order under my own hand bully
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 18: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Corona without virus
                      Here I will read the Law, if allowed

                      In short:
                      Prohibited:
                      A wedge with a length of more than 90 mm, with a guard of more than 5 mm, butt - more than 2,5 mm, is enough, perhaps.
                      1. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 18: 53
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        Here I will read the Law, if allowed

                        In short:
                        Prohibited:
                        A wedge with a length of more than 90 mm, with a guard of more than 5 mm, butt - more than 2,5 mm, is enough, perhaps.

                        And if it's carbon fiber instead of metal?
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        And if it's carbon fiber instead of metal?

                        Hehe. This is exactly what the terrorists played on, that they stuck into the twin towers.
                      3. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 19: 39
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        And if it's carbon fiber instead of metal?

                        Hehe. This is exactly what the terrorists played on, that they stuck into the twin towers.

                        So yes - or no? wink
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        So yes - or no?

                        Are you a terrorist? No, I think. For me, the best knife is one made by hand, if, of course, it is a knife.
                      5. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 14 February 2021 19: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Corona without virus
                        So yes - or no?

                        Are you a terrorist? No, I think. For me, the best knife is one made by hand, if, of course, it is a knife.

                        I DO NOT!!! terrorist drinks But hands remember how the "butterfly" flies repeat fellow
                        And since now I'm practically the most law-abiding here on VO - that's where the questions come from ... recourse
                      6. Shopping Mall
                        15 February 2021 08: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Corona without virus

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                        For every taste, everything is allowed by the legislation of the Russian Federation:
                        https://forest-home.ru/category/nozhi/?tip_nozhi%5B%5D=2190&vid_nozhi%5B%5D=2282

                        (not advertising)
                      7. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 15 February 2021 09: 09
                        0
                        Quote: AVM
                        Quote: Corona without virus

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                        For every taste, everything is allowed by the legislation of the Russian Federation:
                        https://forest-home.ru/category/nozhi/?tip_nozhi%5B%5D=2190&vid_nozhi%5B%5D=2282

                        (not advertising)

                        Big ATP !!! drinks
                        I understood the idea, it will be necessary to find a store in Moscow, all the same, so that the "butterfly" flies - you must first pick it up before buying it repeat wink
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 19: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: Corona without virus
                  So yes - or no?

                  Depends on hardness. If you really want to get out of the sounded figures, then order a soft piece of iron, there is little sense from it, but you will scare the fulyugans.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 50
          0
          Quote: Corona without virus
          when the Boar bought himself and went through all the circles of hell)))
          What circles? When he took the green stuff - yes, the building was not adapted, and when he changed the ROCH - no problems ... only the "queue" did not work ...
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 16 February 2021 16: 56
            0
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Corona without virus
            when the Boar bought himself and went through all the circles of hell)))
            What circles? When he took the green stuff - yes, the building was not adapted, and when he changed the ROCH - no problems ... only the "queue" did not work ...

            Without going into details - one safe at home drank my blood well))))))))))))))))) but let's not argue, everyone has their own personal hell drinks
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 16 February 2021 17: 05
            0
            Quote: Corona without virus
            one safe home drank my blood well
            What is it like? Pressed when pulling in? Lost while washing? Broken floor slab?
            I did not live by registration at all, I bought the cheapest one at the place of registration, with a wall of 0,8 mm (the assembled gun does not fit).
            Are you sure you are in Russia?
          3. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 16 February 2021 17: 10
            0
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Corona without virus
            one safe home drank my blood well
            What is it like? Pressed when pulling in? Lost while washing? Broken floor slab?
            I did not live by registration at all, I bought the cheapest one at the place of registration, with a wall of 0,8 mm (the assembled gun does not fit).
            Are you sure you are in Russia?

            Exactly, exactly))) The district police officer, for example, had to be delivered to me so that he would testify through his boss's boss))) what kind of safe I bought myself - and how then it was installed with swearing-rewind - the same is a separate topic, the story is drawn humorous ))) but how did I get a hunting ticket - so for a whole story)))))))))))))))) In general, "everything looked smooth on paper - just as always they forgot about the ravines" wassat laughing
          4. Simargl
            Simargl 16 February 2021 17: 21
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            Quote: Corona without virus
            For example, the district police officer had to be delivered to me so that he would testify through his boss))) what kind of safe I bought myself
            I showed a photo of the "current" (samovar) and the passport of the purchased one. In modern realities, this is enough: here you showed the precinct a safe, and after 5 minutes you sold it (safe).

            Quote: Corona without virus
            and how then it was installed with a mate-rewind
            Well ... the "samovar" weighed about 150 kg, I put it in one helmet ...

            Quote: Corona without virus
            and how I got a hunting ticket - so for the whole story
            Generally tin! I passed my tests, I couldn't do mathematics?
            Everything took 2,5 months, and in absolute terms - about 20 hours (queues, studies), divided into 7 days.
          5. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 16 February 2021 17: 25
            +1
            Let's simplify the task to the limit on the Vepr))) I "chased" the district police officer so that he looked for 2 weeks, then spat, "call a friend" and for another week the district police officer chased me to see laughing

            By "butterfly" - I have never seen it for sale in hunting stores, I would have seen it - I would have bought it and would not have asked stupid questions here wassat

            "Stop talk about this"? drinks
          6. Simargl
            Simargl 16 February 2021 17: 37
            +1
            Quote: Corona without virus
            By "butterfly" - I've never seen it on sale in hunting stores
            Why would a sane hunter need a "butterfly" ?!
          7. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 16 February 2021 18: 16
            0
            Quote: Simargl
            Quote: Corona without virus
            By "butterfly" - I've never seen it on sale in hunting stores
            Why would a sane hunter need a "butterfly" ?!

            Yes, I'm from 12 !!! years I knew how to "fly" it so that when in a foreign area late in the evening there are ten guys in front of you with the question "Uncles, and uncles - let me smoke" - you just show "butterfly flight" and all questions are removed)))))))) and you go further along a strange area with your head held high - you are only 14 years old - and there foreheads are 16-18 years old))))))))))
          8. Fat
            Fat 17 February 2021 17: 45
            +1
            Oh yeah!
            "Soon you will turn 14 and for some reason many will want to beat you. Do not suffer - hit first and run." (C)
  • Flooding
    Flooding 14 February 2021 19: 18
    +2
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Go to any kitchen, grab the hostess for storing "blade and blade" more than 90 mm

    this applies to the types of knives listed. read
  • Shopping Mall
    14 February 2021 19: 29
    +4
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Flood
    with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm,

    Go to any kitchen, grab the hostess for storing "blade and blade" more than 90 mm. laughing


    are automatically removed from the handle when a button or lever is pressed and locked, or extended by gravity or accelerated movement and automatically locked, with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 33
      -1
      Quote: AVM
      automatically removed from the handle by pressing a button or lever and fixed by them, or extended by gravity or accelerated movement and automatically locked, with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm

      And, so this is only about the rejects. Well, I'm calling, I just didn't see it in the article.
  • Fat
    Fat 17 February 2021 17: 35
    +1
    You can go to the hut for sickles and braids-Lithuanian straight with a tape measure ... Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us (C)
  • Simargl
    Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 46
    0
    Quote: Flood
    The following are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation:
    And what type of butterfly are they?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 16 February 2021 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Simargl
      And what type of butterfly are they?

      apparently, to those that advance due to accelerated movement.
      only with automatic commit they are not very good.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 52
        0
        Quote: Flood
        apparently, to those that advance due to accelerated movement.
        Their blade does not advance due to accelerated movement, and if you count the actions for "automatic" fixation, it turns out to be tin.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 16 February 2021 17: 03
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          Their blade does not advance due to accelerated movement.

          strictly speaking not "nominated"
          find a more suitable verb
          and make allowances for the imperfection of the law
    2. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 17: 58
      0
      Concealed carry weapons? There are several options for butterflies, and only some of them are in the XO category. More often it is an electrician's tool from a standard kit, a razor sharp piece. And the classic razor itself? "Chick ... and you're already in heaven" (C)
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 15: 31
    +2
    Quote: Corona without virus
    I still do not understand from the article - are "butterflies" allowed now or not?

    The cops, oh, sorry, the policemen, took me away a couple of years ago. And they drew up an empty protocol. Which I refused to sign.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 February 2021 15: 44
      -3
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      The cops, oh, sorry, the policemen, took me away a couple of years ago.

      -----------------------------
      Well, why are you so indecent? Would write "palace guards". hi
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 16: 26
        -1
        Quote: Altona
        Would write "palace guards".

        The guards of the palace in the USSR were much better. I, in the year 90, flooded to the Kremlin. So, we walked, fortunately, a train ticket to Moscow only cost 4 rubles with a penny.
        What am I talking about? Crowds of Japanese with video cameras, some foreign ones, and me - once, and were detained. All in all, I had a folding knife in my bag, I don’t remember which one. But the truth is, they apologized, and they let me into the Kremlin. But when I noticed the stretch marks under the Kremlin wall, they immediately drove over, however, politely.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 15: 49
      +3
      Most of the knives sold in Soviet hardware and travel stores were conceptually reminiscent of Victorinox-style Swiss army knives, given the generally terrible workmanship.

      More details, citizen author. There were no drills like in the picture? So it's not a knife at all, God knows what. And which folding knives were our worse? Personally, I still use the Vorksman hunter, plus the Davydkinsky fisherman.
      1. Shopping Mall
        14 February 2021 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Most of the knives sold in Soviet hardware and travel stores were conceptually reminiscent of Victorinox-style Swiss army knives, given the generally terrible workmanship.

        More details, citizen author. There were no drills like in the picture? So it's not a knife at all, God knows what.


        So it is, nevertheless, it is a combat knife, and in Russia it is h.o.

        And it is absolutely safe because of its price:
        https://www.lamnia.com/ru/p/47946/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-microtech-jagdkommando-%D1%87%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-105-1

        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        And which folding knives were our worse? Personally, I still use the Vorksman hunter, plus the Davydkinsky fisherman.


        You can use anything. You can also drive a VAZ 2107, but when you've traveled in a normal car, you don't want to. It is enough to take any Soviet knife and something from foreign counterparts, or Russian, modern knife company, and everything will become clear.

        And yes, it is more difficult to judge by non-folding knives. Problems are usually very visible on the folds.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 18: 38
          +2
          Quote: AVM
          You can also drive a VAZ 2107, but when you've traveled in a normal car, you don't want to.

          ABOUT....! Author, what year are you? When front-wheel drive eights appeared, many spat on them. What do you think is a normal car?
          1. Shopping Mall
            14 February 2021 18: 47
            +1
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: AVM
            You can also drive a VAZ 2107, but when you've traveled in a normal car, you don't want to.

            ABOUT....! Author, what year are you? When front-wheel drive eights appeared, many spat on them. What do you think is a normal car?


            79

            Everything is relative, right? Are you really going to argue that the Soviet civil car industry was, how can I put it mildly?

            And as for a "normal" car, almost any modern one, starting with the B class. And WHA too.

            But imagine that private cars were banned (accidents, traffic jams, exhaust emissions, why?). And then what will happen to the market, engineers and workers from this area, competencies in the civilian automotive industry?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 18: 57
              +2
              Quote: AVM
              Soviet civil car industry was, how can I put it mildly?

              How to put it mildly, but he was.
              Have you ever compared? I also took off the wings on the bolts from Toyota, and I drove the Mercedes.

              What's this? Constipation? But you don't care, Germany is.
              1. Fat
                Fat 17 February 2021 18: 06
                +1
                Is this -NSU "prince" on the line? good

                The car is a legend. thank
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 27
              +1
              Quote: AVM
              And as for a "normal" car, almost any modern one, starting with the B class. And WHA too.

              This is not an answer. Volga was a Mercedes class, how do you like it?
              1. Shopping Mall
                14 February 2021 19: 31
                +4
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: AVM
                And as for a "normal" car, almost any modern one, starting with the B class. And WHA too.

                This is not an answer. Volga was a Mercedes class, how do you like it?


                Of course, yes, what is there to argue about. Anyone would prefer the Volga, not some Mercedes ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 20: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: AVM
                  Of course, yes, what is there to argue about. Anyone would prefer the Volga, not some Mercedes ...

                  Are you a fan of Zhirinovsky?
                2. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 15 February 2021 22: 30
                  0
                  Quote: AVM
                  Of course, yes, what is there to argue about. Anyone would prefer the Volga, not some Mercedes ...

                  "....... In September 1959, Nikita Khrushchev, during his official visit to the United States, loudly promised to fill America with Soviet cars. Now it may seem incredible, but then many Americans took his promise seriously as a real threat. Moreover, American intelligence agencies suspected that Russian cars, which were produced at a car plant in the Soviet city of Gorky, closed to foreigners, could threaten the security of the United States, and for over a year they have been waging a secret and undeclared war against them.

                  The second half of the 50s was a real breakthrough for the Soviet automotive industry. At this time, the famous Volga GAZ-21 began to roll off the GAZ assembly line. In 58th year "Volga" received the Grand Prix at the World International Exhibition in Brussels. However, a few days before the prize was awarded, a scandal erupted - American firms accused the Volga manufacturers of simply copying it from overseas cars. Intelligence agencies of both countries got involved .......... "

                  "..... GAZ 21 is the first Soviet car that began to conquer the world. And not only the socialist countries and China, but also the countries of Western Europe - Belgium, Britain, Sweden, Finland willingly bought this car. He was very fond of the local farmers, and in general people of the middle class ...... "
              2. Fat
                Fat 17 February 2021 19: 32
                0
                What "Volga"? 21, 24? At 24 I drove 300 km along country roads, in the back seat, it was. Ass is a blister. I went to see my relatives in Karelia, I barely lay down - I could not walk ... Not the Autobahn, well ... and not .. Mercedes laughing
        2. garri-lin
          garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 04
          +3
          Well, here I am ready to argue. I got my first fold in the summer of 89. And now at home from the knives of that era, heels will be typed on the boxes. In addition to them, there were and are several quizzes. A couple of not particularly fat Lazermans. So I can level it. Folding the USSR is quite at the level. What is functional, what is steel. The only odd drawback is the weak spin. Despite the fact that the awl was quite at the level.
          1. Shopping Mall
            14 February 2021 21: 18
            0
            Quote: garri-lin
            Well, here I am ready to argue. I got my first fold in the summer of 89. And now at home from the knives of that era, heels will be typed on the boxes. In addition to them, there were and are several quizzes. A couple of not particularly fat Lazermans. So I can level it. Folding the USSR is quite at the level. What is functional, what is steel. The only odd drawback is the weak spin. Despite the fact that the awl was quite at the level.


            I don't even know, maybe I have the experience of the "late" USSR, almost before perestroika, and the quality has already decreased?

            The Soviets were all riveted, they could not be tightened, the backlash was everywhere, steel at 420, maximum 440A, this is if it was stainless steel. There is no point in talking about carbon, it is pointless on a modern knife from a practical point of view.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 14 February 2021 21: 33
              +2
              89 years old. Much too late. Although some of the knives were from the 70s. Father's comrades gave them "to go fishing." There was never a stainless steel on the main blade. Well, rightly so, her cut is much worse. By the way, the recently purchased quiz is also not a stainless steel. The slopes were covered, but the micro lead was dark. Rivets were easily tightened while still a schoolboy. Kern. I don't know what brand I was. But the cut was quite normal. And they didn't get blunt fast.
              1. Shopping Mall
                14 February 2021 22: 14
                +3
                Quote: garri-lin
                89 years old. Much too late. Although some of the knives were from the 70s. Father's comrades gave them "to go fishing." There was never a stainless steel on the main blade. Well, rightly so, her cut is much worse. By the way, the recently purchased quiz is also not a stainless steel. The slopes were covered, but the micro lead was dark. Rivets were easily tightened while still a schoolboy. Kern. I don't know what brand I was. But the cut was quite normal. And they didn't get blunt fast.


                Carbon is impractical and products from it acquire a specific flavor. Now almost always only stainless steel is used, and they are good. On the Victorinox stainless steel 100%, there is Opineli from carbon. I will try to write an article about the evolution of knife steels.

                Here is a question of direct comparison. When I'm used to the knife opening in one motion because of the bronze washers or bearings, when I'm used to the folding knife blade in the open and fixed state does not move, it is generally motionless, there is no backlash, then I don't want to "go back".
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 14 February 2021 22: 26
                  +2
                  I will wait for the article.
                  Here is a knife 40 years old. At least 10 years of dense use. The last 15 years just lay at the bottom of the box. Minimal play on the blade. I can look for Titan. It also lies somewhere. For 2 years in the army, he completely killed. But initially it was quite convenient, although it did not get new. By the way, I don’t really like it for their original castle. Unreliable.
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 34
                +1
                Well, rightly so, her cut is much worse
                Well, I don’t know, for more than 30 years, both in a thunderstorm and in a cold, an excellent cut and the blade holds, God forbid, everyone ... a Soviet "toy" more ...

                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 15 February 2021 01: 48
                  +1
                  Plastic handle and bronze guard?
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 15 February 2021 02: 02
                    0
                    Plastic handle and bronze guard?
                    Namely, I also have a second one, only with a black polymer handle (by the way, a material, surprisingly durable, hammered a real nail into a birch in winter ...), there is the same design! And the knives themselves, from here:
                    Production plant of the Moscow Society of Hunters and Fishermen (PK MOOiR).
                    The history of MOOiR goes back to the Moscow Hunting Society, created in 1859. After a period of inactivity in 1944, the Moscow Hunting Society was organized, reorganized in 1960 into the Moscow Society of Hunters and Fishermen. To supply the hunters, the MOOiR Production Plant was created, which was located in Zvyagino, near Moscow. PC produced a wide variety of knives. MOOiR still exists, only it no longer has a PC.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 15 February 2021 11: 14
                      +1
                      Look great
              3. Fat
                Fat 17 February 2021 18: 28
                0
                There are moments. Sometimes in the regions, a very decent stainless steel came across for stamping.
                One acquaintance equipped this case with an excellent handle. My God, in the kitchen there was no price for this business ... One problem - "rinse, but do not wipe" Throw it into the sink and end the product ... or rather the handle. Swedish "MORA" makes similar fillets of excellent quality, well, and a little more reliable with a plastic handle ....
                1. garri-lin
                  garri-lin 17 February 2021 18: 49
                  +1
                  The fact of the matter is that it was difficult to meet a stainless steel with a good cut in those days. Now it is much easier, but all the same, how to bring out the carbon steel does not work. Or I'm crooked
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 17 February 2021 19: 08
                    0
                    No, you are not crooked. Just taking out a good stainless steel from the factory, like everything else, is a crime.
                    1. garri-lin
                      garri-lin 17 February 2021 20: 58
                      0
                      And they obviously did not spend it on the production of consumer goods hunting and tourist foldables.
                    2. Fat
                      Fat 17 February 2021 22: 03
                      0
                      Did I say something about consumer goods? Everything is custom made, as usual.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 19: 18
                  -1
                  Quote: garri-lin
                  The fact of the matter is that it was difficult to meet a stainless steel with a good cut in those days. Now it is much easier, but all the same, how to bring out the carbon steel does not work.

                  Excellent steel was available from chemical plants. Let's say there were stainless steel bearings. Something similar to 95x18.


                  But in our enterprise, valves were usually made.
                  1. garri-lin
                    garri-lin 17 February 2021 21: 02
                    0
                    Not far from the place where I live there used to be a meat-packing plant. There the steel on the knives on the machines was excellent. You can still see knives made from that steel among former workers.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 22: 07
            -1
            Quote: AVM
            I don't even know, maybe I have the experience of the "late" USSR, almost before perestroika, and the quality has already decreased?

            Or maybe let's just compare?
            1. Shopping Mall
              14 February 2021 22: 09
              0
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: AVM
              I don't even know, maybe I have the experience of the "late" USSR, almost before perestroika, and the quality has already decreased?

              Or maybe let's just compare?


              How's that?
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 53
          0
          Quote: garri-lin
          The only strange negative is the weak spin.

          At first, the corkscrew was carved out, later they began to twist. What are you talking about?
          1. garri-lin
            garri-lin 14 February 2021 22: 12
            0
            I'm talking about twisted. It will unscrew and then break. But on knives from the beginning of the 70s, a framed one was caught. Unkillable.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 22: 23
              -1
              Quote: garri-lin
              I'm talking about twisted. It will unscrew and then break.

              Differently. Pavlovsky never let me down, he opened a lot of wine for them. It is twisted. And fraser knives came across with debris, at the base they mostly broke. Excuse me, can I have a photo of a framed one from the 79s?
              1. garri-lin
                garri-lin 14 February 2021 22: 30
                0
                Not sure which of the 70s. I said above that some of the knives were given by my father's comrades, knowing that I was fond of. Perhaps an earlier one. There was a blade, a blade-sized opener, a corkscrew, and an awl.
    3. KCA
      KCA 14 February 2021 18: 35
      +4
      The Panther (pictured) and Belka knives were very good, the steel was alloyed, did not rust, kept sharpening well, if you did not open a dozen cans every day, you could not edit and sharpen for a year
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 18: 32
        -1
        Quote: KCA
        The Panther (pictured) and Belka knives were very good, the steel was alloyed, did not rust,

        They had two types of steel. With carbon is cheaper, with stainless steel - more expensive.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 16 February 2021 16: 57
      0
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      And what kind of knives folding were ours worse?
      The absolute majority, with the appropriate price. Steel iron metal - excellent rubbish, sometimes nickel-plated rubbish. After them came a very "high-quality" China for almost the same price.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 18: 15
        -1
        Quote: Simargl
        The absolute majority, with a corresponding price. Steel iron metal - excellent rubbish, sometimes nickel-plated rubbish. After them came a very "high-quality" China for almost the same price.

        There were different types of steel. Yes, mostly carbon, but there were also stainless steel. As for China, their knives in the 90s were even worse, I have four pieces from the 90s lying around, a couple of frontal and a couple of ordinary ones, there is generally copper-plated steel, and only then nickel-plated. If you want, I can take a picture tomorrow. Ours are better.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 25
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          There were different types of steel.
          We lived not very richly, therefore we could get good knives only by acquaintance. Shop canteens were thrown out in 94. All at once, after purchasing the set. Oddly enough - made in Russia. Why so: in the USSR it did not work out, but in Russia it turned out to buy table knives, one of which is still in operation: 26 years already.
          What were the "Chinese" - I remember. Nickel on a copper primer is really cheap.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 19: 29
            -1
            Quote: Simargl
            We lived not very richly, therefore we could get good knives only by acquaintance. Shop canteens were thrown out in 94. All at once, after purchasing the set.

            Our family never faced such a problem, because both my father and my uncle made knives.
  • Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 14 February 2021 22: 06
    +12
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    The cops, oh, sorry, the policemen, took me away a couple of years ago. And they drew up an empty protocol. Which I refused to sign

    So they took it for themselves. I have a friend of the riot police, so he has these knives "confiscated" without a protocol ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 22: 14
      0
      Quote: Sergey Koval
      So they took for themselves

      And then I don't know ... What a shame - there were young guys, and when I rock the boat, they immediately summoned the major.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 30
    0
    And they drew up an empty protocol. Which I refused to sign.
    empty protocol, and then what !? That is, "withdrawn" with an empty protocol ??? And they did not write to appeal, or to file a complaint with their boss and send it to the CSS ... ??? To return the knife, if it is not XO and you had completely legally ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 February 2021 16: 56
      0
      Quote: Intruder
      empty protocol, and then what !?

      And then, when I refused to sign, the knife was taken from me and taken to a narcology clinic. Then they kicked me out in the ass, and said that I would not be caught anymore. And I walked home for about an hour, somewhere, then.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 16 February 2021 19: 46
        0
        Then they kicked me out in the ass, and said that I would not be caught anymore. And I walked home for about an hour, somewhere, then.
        and ..., then you forgave them the seizure of your property without any grounds for that, with logging, with exceeding the official ..., and let everything go on the brakes ...!?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 18: 16
          0
          Quote: Intruder
          and they let everything go on the brakes ...!?

          I let it down, because I was a pretty good ass.
    2. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 18: 48
      +1
      It is easier to spend a couple of days in a monkey house on the same water than to argue with the security forces without a judge. A sad experience. It is better to pay with a tool than with freedom. They will be fined in a bad way, they will take away (and stash) the thing, otherwise they will simply let go - go for a walk ...
  • Destiny
    Destiny 14 February 2021 15: 20
    +10
    Thank you, it was very interesting to read! I look forward to continuing! As in the top picture (third from the left from the top) there was a folding knife, but sowed in a camping trip ..
  • Flooding
    Flooding 14 February 2021 15: 24
    -9
    It is significant that Russian knife laws are among the most liberal in the world.

    In most countries of the world (both in the west and in the east), the laws in this regard are much stricter. However, as we said earlier, there is no benefit to citizens from this. This is just an illusion of security and order.

    Yes, we've heard it many times. About the ban on firearms they write about the same thing. He is said to be very necessary for respectable citizens for self-defense, and criminality will fall at once if the ladies walk with a short-barrel in their handbags.
    But there they just refer to countries with more liberal laws regarding firearms.
    Why complain?
    Collectors have problems, that's bad luck.
    1. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2021 16: 07
      +14
      Quote: Flood
      ...
      Why complain?
      Collectors have problems, that's bad luck.


      There is nothing worse than senseless bans. Any limitation must be reasonable and functional. Everything else is arbitrariness of the authorities and abuse of office, such as, for example, the ban of the governor of the Moscow region from visiting abandoned quarries. He took it and forbade it, like it's unsafe. And tomorrow it will be forbidden to swim, or walking in the forest is also unsafe, or to go out into the street after 20.00 - why take the risk, suddenly offend?

      Collectors are a market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds, shops and their employees earn, taxes are paid, when the market is developed, their own manufacturers appear, and this is again taxes, technologies, employment, etc.

      Medvedev at one time limited the purchase of traumatics to two units and the market immediately sagged, as if there was some difference in a person's 2 barrels or 5, still there were no cases of crime even with two traumatics, let alone five. Those. the absurd prohibition is accepted, there is no benefit, and the market is damaged. And it is you who can be the very person who was fired because of another absurd ban.

      Therefore, the struggle for the expansion of civil rights must be tireless.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 14 February 2021 16: 22
        -2
        Quote: AVM
        Collectors are a market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds, shops and their employees earn, taxes are paid, when the market is developed, their own manufacturers appear, and this is again taxes, technologies, employment, etc.

        replace the word “collectors” with “millionaires” or “billionaires”. what will change? nothing.
        Does this mean that laws should be tailored for a small group of people? this is legal nonsense. the very will that you wrote about above.
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 18: 15
          +6
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: AVM
          Collectors are a market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds, shops and their employees earn, taxes are paid, when the market is developed, their own manufacturers appear, and this is again taxes, technologies, employment, etc.

          replace the word “collectors” with “millionaires” or “billionaires”. what will change? nothing.
          Does this mean that laws should be tailored for a small group of people? this is legal nonsense. the very will that you wrote about above.


          But the rights of this small group should not be infringed upon for no particular reason. And then, today knives will be banned - you can kill with them? To fish tomorrow - it’s alive, you can’t torture it? The day after tomorrow it will not be possible to pick mushrooms - how is it that as many as 10 people have been poisoned in a year?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 14 February 2021 19: 03
            -4
            Quote: AVM
            But the rights of this small group should not be infringed upon for no particular reason.

            Minority rights end where majority rights begin.
            Quote: AVM
            And then, today knives will be banned - you can kill with them? To fish tomorrow - it’s alive, you can’t torture it? The day after tomorrow it will not be possible to pick mushrooms - how is it that as many as 10 people have been poisoned in a year?

            Do not spread your thoughts on mushrooms and cheesecakes.
            Your argument is not right? Is that what I want?
            1. Shopping Mall
              15 February 2021 08: 24
              +2
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: AVM
              But the rights of this small group should not be infringed upon for no particular reason.

              Minority rights end where majority rights begin.


              Most are very easy to manipulate. Do you think it's difficult to ban weapons altogether if you want to? A couple of incidents advertised in the media, a referendum, and frightened aunts, grandmothers and muzhebabs will easily vote for the ban. And the fact that there are a dozen fatal incidents with legal weapons a year, while there are about 10000 murders and grievous bodily harm in the country per year, nobody cares.

              Quote: Flood
              Quote: AVM
              And then, today knives will be banned - you can kill with them? To fish tomorrow - it’s alive, you can’t torture it? The day after tomorrow it will not be possible to pick mushrooms - how is it that as many as 10 people have been poisoned in a year?

              Do not spread your thoughts on mushrooms and cheesecakes.
              Your argument is not right? Is that what I want?


              Again, any prohibition must be reasoned. To prohibit something because someone is scared is wrong.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 15 February 2021 08: 29
                0
                Quote: AVM
                Most are very easy to manipulate. Do you think it's difficult to ban weapons altogether if you want to?

                That is what they do everywhere and has been done at all times.
                So what's the way out? Ban the majority?
                So they are already following this path in the west.
                Minorities rule.
                Quote: AVM
                Again, any ban must be reasoned.

                Do you mean to confirm with factual material? There are objections. Because then it will be necessary to allow everything, collect statistical data and then prohibit only on the basis of these data.
                In the meantime, if you follow the path of your proposals, then you really need to prohibit kitchen knives. This is reasoned.
              2. Fat
                Fat 17 February 2021 20: 33
                0
                Andrei, you did not mention that most of the domestic murders were committed with knives from the kitchen set.
                1. Shopping Mall
                  18 February 2021 09: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Thick
                  Andrei, you did not mention that most of the domestic murders were committed with knives from the kitchen set.


                  In the caption to the picture:
                  The leader of the criminal rating of the Russian Federation and most other post-Soviet countries is not a melee weapon and is available in the kitchen in almost every family.
        2. would
          would 15 February 2021 09: 03
          +1
          Does this mean that laws should be tailored for a small group of people? this is legal nonsense.


          This is not nonsense, but a reality of our legislation. The procedure for collecting firearms has long been separately spelled out, so why not prescribe the procedure for collecting CW?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 15 February 2021 09: 10
            +1
            Quote: rait
            so why not prescribe the order of collecting XO?

            There are a few comments.
            - you, apparently, mean collecting modern ho samples. Since the collection of antique and rare edged weapons is not prohibited by law if the established procedure is observed
            - your article swung still at more than expanding the possibilities of collecting. She casts doubt on the effectiveness (efficiency) of the existing laws to limit the turnover of knives. You will decide which questions are your priority.
            1. would
              would 15 February 2021 11: 02
              +1
              1. No, I mean collecting any XO. Collecting antiques and rarities also falls there. At one time, a bunch of people had absolutely specific problems because of the WWII CW because it is also CW.

              There is no clearly established order, and so, in particular, there are many samples, even with a license for collecting (a very good question how realistic it is to get it), it is impossible to acquire it legally, since their circulation is generally prohibited. There is a collecting license, but a citizen has no right to collect this XO. Why? Yes, here, as with the experience of 5 years for the rifled - "because" and in general "there is nothing to question the effectiveness (efficiency) of the existing laws to limit the turnover ...".

              2. This is not my article.

              3. The effectiveness of the existing restrictions on the turnover of CW can be estimated by how often people continue to be killed with ordinary Chinese blunt knives, usually killed during drinking.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 15 February 2021 12: 37
                +1
                Quote: rait
                This is not my article.

                I apologize. Automatically continued the discussion with the author.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 14 February 2021 16: 26
        -4
        Quote: AVM
        Any limitation must be reasonable and functional. Everything else is arbitrary power and abuse of office

        functionality and reasonableness of laws can be determined only in relation to society as a whole, but not in any way its individual representatives.
        and therefore, such a definition should take into account the opinion and interests of all citizens.
        yours is. but it is just one of many. and it alone cannot determine the rationality and functionality of the laws of the state.
        I, for example, have a different opinion on this matter.
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: Flood
          ...
          I, for example, have a different opinion on this matter.


          What, if not a secret?
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 14 February 2021 16: 31
        -5
        Quote: AVM
        Therefore, the struggle for the expansion of civil rights must be tireless

        common truth, common phrases.
        not relevant to the particular example under consideration.
        because the issue of expanding the rights to weapons for modern Russian society stands at a place close to the penultimate one.
        there are much more pressing and painful issues that have a direct bearing on civil rights.
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 18: 13
          +6
          Quote: Flood
          Quote: AVM
          Therefore, the struggle for the expansion of civil rights must be tireless

          common truth, common phrases.
          not relevant to the particular example under consideration.
          because the issue of expanding the rights to weapons for modern Russian society stands at a place close to the penultimate one.
          there are much more pressing and painful issues that have a direct bearing on civil rights.


          So do them, who's stopping? To each his own.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 14 February 2021 19: 05
            -3
            Quote: AVM
            So do them, who's stopping? To each his own.

            Of course, I just ask you not to pass off the interests of a rather small stratum of people for something important, for the struggle against the tyranny of the authorities.
            Specifically, what points of the law do not suit you? What kind of edged weapons would you like to see on the streets?
            1. Shopping Mall
              15 February 2021 08: 25
              +3
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: AVM
              So do them, who's stopping? To each his own.

              Of course, I just ask you not to pass off the interests of a rather small stratum of people for something important, for the struggle against the tyranny of the authorities.
              Specifically, what points of the law do not suit you? What kind of edged weapons would you like to see on the streets?


              It makes no difference to me which one, as long as the law is not tightened. I just stated the fact that the ban is senseless.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 15 February 2021 08: 31
                -1
                Quote: AVM
                It makes no difference to me which one, as long as the law is not tightened. I just stated the fact that the ban is senseless.

                No, you didn’t give any facts. This is not a statement, but your opinion.
                1. Shopping Mall
                  15 February 2021 09: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Flood
                  Quote: AVM
                  It makes no difference to me which one, as long as the law is not tightened. I just stated the fact that the ban is senseless.

                  No, you didn’t give any facts. This is not a statement, but your opinion.


                  And what facts can indicate that a "butterfly" or "vykidukha" is more dangerous than a conventional folding or non-folding knife?

                  In general, it is necessary to prove the prohibition of something, and not the abolition of the prohibition.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 15 February 2021 09: 21
                    0
                    Quote: AVM
                    In general, it is necessary to prove the prohibition of something, and not the abolition of the prohibition.

                    Well, if we’re an adult, then the lawmakers elected by the people, before making changes to the legislation, involve various experts. And it so happened that at the same time they are not accountable to their voters. It is believed that once they have voted, they have given the right to full action.
                    Imagine what chaos will begin if, before the adoption of each law, or by-law, or amendment, a consultation with the people and the provision of evidence, altercations of the parties and, as a result, legal proceedings begin.
                    In this article, you argue and prove your point of view and your disagreement, if you wish.
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 16: 41
        0
        Quote: AVM
        Collectors are the market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds,

        And what have collectors to do with it? Well, they will buy up all the artel knives from the Mitinsky artel, Medvedkovo, Zavyalovo, Gorodishche, Metalist, and then what?
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 18: 13
          +7
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: AVM
          Collectors are the market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds,

          And what have collectors to do with it? Well, they will buy up all the artel knives from the Mitinsky artel, Medvedkovo, Zavyalovo, Gorodishche, Metalist, and then what?


          And then new artels will be released, collectors will buy more, workers will receive wages, etc.
      5. Intruder
        Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 37
        +4
        Therefore, the struggle for the expansion of civil rights must be tireless.
        right, because: "a knife is a sign of a free man" !!! For a long time already, it was this phrase that determined the status of a free and a slave, a slave is not entitled to a knife!
  • aars
    aars 14 February 2021 15: 36
    +1
    Many people wear butterflies, I have not heard about problems at all ...
    Which at best leads to a fine, and at worst - to criminal liability.
    Once the man stopped at the fishing, a gazelle, the driver was drunk, I - no, I do not drink.
    Found a knife, a bad man, under a rag, giving the code to show ...
    I figured it out, I say - What do you want ?!
    Give three thousand and happy journey!
  • exo
    exo 14 February 2021 15: 42
    +12
    Therefore, any prohibitive measures against CW are obviously ineffective.

    Here, I agree 100% here. Drunkenly cut with kitchen knives or bottle rosettes. And rarely Microtech Juice Elite or Benchmide. And, ballisong is more dangerous for the drunk owner than for the victim.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 16: 43
      -1
      Quote: exo
      Drunk with kitchen knives

      Tramontina?
      1. exo
        exo 14 February 2021 20: 14
        +1
        This is for gourmets :)
        Apollo to help them and the rest of China.
    2. Koval Sergey
      Koval Sergey 14 February 2021 22: 13
      +20
      Quote: exo
      Drunken cut with kitchen knives or bottle roses

      As the saying goes: "A kitchen knife is the most widespread weapon in the world after the Kalashnikov assault rifle."
  • Altona
    Altona 14 February 2021 15: 43
    +4
    On specialized sites, they write the approximate phrase "objects similar to cold weapons", that is, like a knife, and a knife in Africa. For example, I always carry a Victorinox penknife (I have several of them), because you always need to cut something, screw it on, pick it up in your teeth, remove it with tweezers, open a bottle. This subject is quite functional. And so, today there are many different knives and prices from moderate to cosmic. In the garden and in the forest I use the Companion Mora, it is enough to cut a branch or make a stick for walking.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 14 February 2021 16: 54
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      For example, I always carry a Victorinox penknife (I have several of them), because you always need to cut something, screw it on, pick it up in your teeth, remove it with tweezers, open a bottle.

      I have a knife with a 3-4 cm blade, bought back in the 70s, hanging on a keychain with keys. separate blade-opener for bottles and canned food. You can also "bite" your nails. I bought two for myself and my wife. wink
      In childhood, every boy's dream was a penknife with all sorts of gadgets. And, the game of "knives" was one of the most widespread.

      "Any use of even a non-cold knife as a weapon of self-defense would most likely also lead to condemnation of the defender."
      Nothing has changed, however. The enforcement of the self-defense law is a witness to this. Whether with a knife, with a pistol, or with bare hands. But I think it's right to drive the knife carriers. This is not in nature. There a knife is the right thing. ...
      There is a kitchen knife at home. I went to measure it on purpose. Blade 35 cm, thickness 3.5 mm. wink
      Auto RU. In Soviet times, there were knives on the free sale, sort of like for butchering sheep. This is something like a navaja with a blade length of about 30-35 cm. I did not buy it at the time. It cost less than a gold piece. Now I envy my brother-in-law. wink An irreplaceable thing in nature!
      PS For the knife, which is the first in the photo, you must plant immediately. If this is seen on the street.
      1. Shopping Mall
        14 February 2021 18: 12
        +2
        Quote: Was Mammoth

        ...
        PS For the knife, which is the first in the photo, you must plant immediately. If this is seen on the street.


        Он х.о. в России и стоит как крыло от самолёта - https://www.lamnia.com/ru/p/47946/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8-%D0%B8-%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B8/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B6-microtech-jagdkommando-%D1%87%D1%91%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-105-1

        If anyone buys it, then it’s not for murder, for sure, it’s an oligarch to cut people with such a knife. So if you see someone with this on the street, you know, a person with money hi

        PS It weighs half a kilo, you are tortured to carry.

        PPS Without calling for anything, a triangular file with sharpened edges may not be much less of a weapon in terms of lethality, which again brings us back to the senselessness of prohibitions.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 19: 33
          +1
          hence the wording: "an object used as an XO". I agree with you, the law on chemical weapons does not make sense if there is such an amendment.
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 14 February 2021 19: 59
          0
          Quote: AVM
          you have to be an oligarch,

          "The rich cry too" wink
          Quote: AVM
          triangular file

          "Cobblestone is a weapon of the proletariat" wink
          Never walked with a knife. Although, like any normal man, weapons are interesting.
          1. Shopping Mall
            14 February 2021 21: 14
            +3
            Quote: Was Mammoth
            Quote: AVM
            you have to be an oligarch,

            "The rich cry too" wink
            Quote: AVM
            triangular file

            "Cobblestone is a weapon of the proletariat" wink
            Never walked with a knife. Although, like any normal man, weapons are interesting.


            And I don't see a knife as a weapon, in the main sense of wearing it. On the contrary, I have been walking with a knife almost my entire adult life, it is already a part of the body. It happens, as luck would have it, there is no knife on your pocket, you will definitely come across some stupid package that does not want to tear "through the holes", some thread needs to be cut off or something like that, you have to get up, go, and this is laziness. ..
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 14 February 2021 21: 38
              0
              Quote: AVM
              It happens, as luck would have it, there is no knife on my pocket,

              wink
              Ryazantsev used to be called kosopuzi. This is because they had an ax stuck in their belts. Like a dagger among Caucasians. From the forest edge, however.
              And the law allowed. Not a weapon. belay They won't understand now, sir.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 22: 40
                0
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                And the law allowed. Not a weapon. They won't understand now, sir.

                What to do then? We, Tula, stood under the bridges. Thanks to Peter the first for making sobering-up stations for us ...
                1. Fat
                  Fat 17 February 2021 21: 07
                  +1
                  Nifigasse, joking. I don’t know how in the sunny forest Mordovia, the Udmurts didn’t consume anything cooler than amanitas until the 20th century, but even then, only those who were entitled to it according to their position. Karma corrected. wink
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 21: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Thick
                    Nifigasse, joking.

                    I am from the Tula region, and it was here that the first sobering-up stations appeared, by order of Peter the Great, so that the gunsmiths would not freeze when they got drunk. They arranged right in the taverns. Then they gave out a cast-iron medal for drunkenness, weighing 7 kilos, it was necessary to carry it for a week. And at the beginning of the 20th century, our sick drunks were already officially sealed with brine and a gramophone was turned on to raise the mood.
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 17 February 2021 22: 35
                      0
                      Oh. Tula-Tula. At state-owned factories, there was less opportunity for a worker to take a spree.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 17 February 2021 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Thick
                        Oh. Tula-Tula. At state-owned factories, there was less opportunity for a worker to take a spree.

                        That is how the Tula were called Kazyuk, because they worked at state-owned factories. Valuable personnel, so the sobering-up stations made for them. Although, of course, not everyone worked at the armory.
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 15 February 2021 01: 43
              +3
              It happens, as luck would have it, there is no knife on your pocket, you will definitely come across some stupid package that does not want to tear "through the holes", some thread needs to be cut off or something like that, you have to get up, go, and this is laziness. ..
              that's for sure, I am my folding scout from Gerber, I wear it like an IDC on my pocket everywhere except the cabin of the plane ... and in a cafe I cut meat and cutlets constantly and not with blunt plastic, I went to the prosecutor's office (in the Russian Federation) on business, just passed a storage room at the entrance and that's it, though the guards on the frame looked askance ... but this is their job, not mine .., in their own right, so to speak!
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 17 February 2021 19: 47
                +1
                Quote: Intruder
                except for the aircraft cabin ...
                Once it happened that I dragged into the cabin ... somewhere in the middle of the flight I noticed ...
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 20
                  0
                  Once it happened that I dragged into the cabin ... somewhere in the middle of the flight I noticed ...
                  well, all sorts of things can happen ..., I personally always check where the knives are and put everything in a separate soft bag with zippers and compartments for each blade in a sheath, it is easier and easier to understand later where he is, with him in his carry-on luggage, or put the checked-in baggage ...
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 18 February 2021 08: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    I put everything in a separate bag
                    I'm usually in a bag, with a zipper and a lock. But it happened ...
    2. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 20: 52
      +1
      I agree! True, until the normal "Viktrinoksa" finances still grow ... But a multifunctional should always be on a trip. They gave me Letterman. Always at hand .... hi
  • paul3390
    paul3390 14 February 2021 16: 00
    +4
    Surprisingly another thing - any solid household object in the hand of a person who wants to kill is deadly. Ax, hammer, screwdriver, rolling pin, and even a fork! But no, our valiant police officers dug exclusively into knives .. what Yes, I will scatter my heels with knives with an ax! bully laughing
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 14 February 2021 17: 06
      +3
      that's all right, write. I have an imbus key in the glove compartment of a bicycle, three-beam (each of the three beams is an imb key of its own size) If you hold 2 beams in your hand, then the third thinnest falls between the middle and ring fingers - a lethal pin brass knuckle turns out am
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 17: 10
      +5
      Quote: paul3390
      Yes, I will scatter my heels with knives with an ax!

      But the Chikatilo knives:
    3. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2021 18: 07
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      Surprisingly another thing - any solid household object in the hand of a person who wants to kill is deadly. Ax, hammer, screwdriver, rolling pin, and even a fork! But no, our valiant police officers dug exclusively into knives .. what Yes, I will scatter my heels with knives with an ax! bully laughing


      In fact, we are now really a sin to complain, for me, in relation to knives, if only nothing changes.

      In some kind of England or Holland, you can't carry knives at all, none of them. At the same time, migrants calmly violate this law, like any crime.
    4. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 19: 37
      0
      Especially in this regard, Soviet hatchets are convenient for cutting meat in the kitchen. Very comfortable, great grip, good stainless steel and, most importantly, light and with the right center of gravity. I have two of them left in excellent condition.
      By the way, too, I do not call for anything, personal (I would say tactile) opinion. bully drinks
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 20: 22
        -1
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        for cutting meat in the kitchen. Very comfortable, great grip, good stainless steel and, most importantly, light and with the right center of gravity.

        I don’t remember those. Can I see a photo?
        1. dedusik
          dedusik 14 February 2021 21: 06
          0
          Please
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 09
            -1
            Back in the 80s, my mother bought at her enterprise.
            For 25 rubles, in my opinion. Alive and working.
            1. dedusik
              dedusik 14 February 2021 21: 17
              +1
              My price is 4 rubles. Serves since 1975, bought after the wedding
        2. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 14
          0


          Please ... I have been using this for 15 years, and the second "zero" is somewhere on the balcony - "on conservation"))
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 16
            0
            4 mm blade and balance ... perfect balance - for a meat ax ...
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 19
            -1
            I have something like that. Only with a plastic handle and an incomprehensible mark like MMM. For 4,50 p.
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 23
              0
              I don’t even know the price, mine is marked "ZTM" in a circle.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 25
                -1
                Quote: Nikon OConor
                I don’t even know the price, mine is marked "ZTM" in a circle.

                If there is no price, then the end of perestroika, or the 90s.
                1. Nikon OConor
                  Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 42
                  +1
                  Yes, quite a possible option. In the 90s, in the XNUMXs, instead of missiles and unmanned targets, we started to produce refrigerators, pans, vacuum cleaners ... Now Onyxes, Yahonts and Bramoses are being assembled. The ax is quite possible from there, because then the workshops produced everything that would help to live.
            2. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 31
              +1
              the handle, by the way, is made of wood, which, even when fattened, practically does not slip ... When I ruble, I don’t hold the meat with my fingers, it’s better to outline 3 times))
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 35
                -1
                Quote: Nikon OConor
                it is better to outline 3 times))

                Um ... It's the opposite for me. When I don't rush, then everything is fine, and when I start to mark three times, it goes at random.
                1. Nikon OConor
                  Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 21: 52
                  0
                  it is better to outline 3 times))

                  It's just such a peculiar experience. I chopped frozen meat with a heavy knife, my fingers froze, I cut my index finger to the bone, but there was no pain, almost.
                  Here it is:


                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Nikon OConor
                    fingers are frozen

                    Well, damn it, they reminded me. At minus 20 he hit me with a chisel and hit him on the finger with a sledgehammer. Two months healed, bastard ...
  • Redsun
    Redsun 14 February 2021 16: 41
    +11
    Here I agree inside and out. Any restrictions and divisions into XO / not XO are crazy delirium. One might think that crimes with knives are often committed by illegal chill. Let's then restrict the circulation of kitchen knives, hammers, screwdrivers, axes, bottles, stones, bits. Otherwise, you can also kill
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 14 February 2021 18: 13
      +3
      The deadliest weapon is the car. How many dead from them - the knives never dreamed of. But for some reason, no one demands to ban them ..
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 23
      0
      Let's then restrict the circulation of kitchen knives, hammers, screwdrivers, axes, bottles, stones, bits. Otherwise, you can also kill
      forgot to add stools !? wink
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 14 February 2021 16: 49
    +3
    Thank you for the article! But not everything is so simple. The military commander of the Kurchaloevsky district awarded me the "Scorpion" Kizlyarsky. There is paper. Can I carry these half a meter freely? ))))
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 14 February 2021 17: 47
      +1
      I also have one, a gift from a relative, after his business trip there. Sometimes I butcher meat, cool thing.
      1. sir Galant
        sir Galant 14 February 2021 18: 16
        0
        )))) Bones chops with one blow))))
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 14 February 2021 18: 18
          +1
          Yes, the main thing is not to hit the fingers. lol
          1. sir Galant
            sir Galant 14 February 2021 18: 25
            0
            I have not parted with him for 20 years. In the evening I go for a walk with the dog in the field, out of town, there drug addicts are looking for bookmarks all the time, but with a Scorpio - it's not scary. I got him a couple of times - everyone ran away)
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 14 February 2021 18: 21
        +1
        Well - that's what he popped out of his pockets ... laughing A couple of course XOs - but I honestly bought them on a hunting ticket, the rest is also official of course .. wink In general, I am a law-abiding person in this regard .. repeat



        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 14 February 2021 18: 23
          0
          And why or for the collection? For self-defense, the most useful thing here is a whip type.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 February 2021 18: 26
            +1
            You haven't seen the safe yet .. wink Something for business, the rest I really bought for the collection, when before the rat with money it was easier .. crying
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 20: 43
            0
            Quote: Ros 56
            And why or for the collection?

            Yes, as we were boys, we stayed. Now I regret that I threw my squirrel off the balcony in the 80s, because the overlay fell off. The lynx fastened to her, did not fit ... In general, I started a bunch of knives from the balcony. Wo, stupid person.
        2. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 19: 46
          +4
          yeah .... and this is all at once?)) Or choose the style of clothing. As in "Do not threaten the South Central ..." - "I should wear these sneakers to wear with this Uzi, or or these sneakers and this trunk" !!!! drinks
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 February 2021 23: 08
            +1
            It's bad to envy .. wink
        3. Fat
          Fat 17 February 2021 21: 14
          0
          And good-natured ... I guess. bully
        4. Intruder
          Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 37
          -1
          Well - that's what he popped out of his pockets ... laughing
          I'm already afraid to ask, kh., ahem .., and this is your dear, such a set of IDC !?belay
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 17 February 2021 22: 35
            -2
            Yes, just out of fancy and love for weapons, I typed in my time .. winked
    2. Shopping Mall
      14 February 2021 18: 04
      +4
      Quote: sir Galant
      Thank you for the article! But not everything is so simple. The military commander of the Kurchaloevsky district awarded me the "Scorpion" Kizlyarsky. There is paper. Can I carry these half a meter freely? ))))


      Thank you!

      Is there a certificate that is not XO? If so, technically you can wear it, but in practice you will be stopped at every step, especially somewhere in Moscow. There is also such a serious problem as ignorance of the laws by some police officers, i.e. You will be detained and the knife removed. Then, if you defend yourself and complain, then the situation will most likely be resolved in your favor, but who only wants to do what to do this showdown every day?

      By the way, I haven't had such problems yet, all the police officers at the stations (where it is usually seen that there is a knife) came across adequate. But I don’t wear a machete, but a small folding bag.
      1. sir Galant
        sir Galant 14 February 2021 18: 13
        +2
        yes, what kind of certificate is there. This is definitely a cold weapon, it has a number, like a firearm). What certificates were issued there more than 20 years ago? Well, of course, I will not carry it on a belt) secretly - only in the sleeve of a jacket) A question about an award weapon, even if it is cold
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 14 February 2021 19: 50
        0
        Quote: AVM
        There is also such a serious problem as ignorance of the laws by some police officers

        There is a worse problem, and it got me a long time ago. this generally not only concerns knives, for example, with SV-radios, for some reason it sometimes occurs to this day. They know the law, they see the certificate. But - "we have an internal order for the Department of Internal Affairs, let's go through."
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 19: 53
          +2
          Quote: Cowbra
          Quote: AVM
          There is also such a serious problem as ignorance of the laws by some police officers

          There is a worse problem, and it got me a long time ago. this generally not only concerns knives, for example, with SV-radios, for some reason it sometimes occurs to this day. They know the law, they see the certificate. But - "we have an internal order for the Department of Internal Affairs, let's go through."


          Here, only to teach. Demand to show the internal order, who signed the complaint to the prosecutor's office, possibly in the media. It is possible that the very statement of these questions will already discourage the desire to get involved. In words, it can be said that if the order is oral, then their boss will then refuse them, i.e. advise to do "as in the army" - say "is" and do it your way.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 14 February 2021 19: 56
            +4
            If this happens in Moscow, this is exactly what I do, after a couple of episodes I was taken away, it is possible to explain in words what they say has already happened, no one liked it. But on business trips a couple of times I almost didn't stay without a knife. The stump is clear, I will not sit somewhere in Rostov or Murmansk until they decide that they are wrong around
          2. Obliterator
            Obliterator 15 February 2021 00: 31
            +2
            Quote: AVM
            Demand to show the internal order, by whom it was signed, the complaint to the prosecutor's office, possibly in the media. It is possible that the very statement of these questions will already discourage the desire to get involved.

            They are not required to show any of their internal documents. To the prosecutor, yes, but not to citizens.
            1. Shopping Mall
              15 February 2021 00: 55
              +1
              Quote: Obliterator
              Quote: AVM
              Demand to show the internal order, by whom it was signed, the complaint to the prosecutor's office, possibly in the media. It is possible that the very statement of these questions will already discourage the desire to get involved.

              They are not required to show any of their internal documents. To the prosecutor, yes, but not to citizens.


              But citizens are not obliged to obey any of their internal documents. In their actions, they should be guided only by federal legislation. And if they voice any "internal orders" out loud, then this is a reason to consider their actions illegal.
              1. Obliterator
                Obliterator 15 February 2021 01: 19
                +2
                Quote: AVM
                But citizens are not obliged to obey any of their internal documents. In their actions, they should be guided only by federal legislation. And if they voice any "internal orders" out loud, then this is a reason to consider their actions illegal.

                Internal documents do not concern citizens, but only the police officers themselves. And they have the right to check a citizen and his weapon in accordance with the law.
                1. Shopping Mall
                  15 February 2021 08: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Obliterator
                  Quote: AVM
                  But citizens are not obliged to obey any of their internal documents. In their actions, they should be guided only by federal legislation. And if they voice any "internal orders" out loud, then this is a reason to consider their actions illegal.

                  Internal documents do not concern citizens, but only the police officers themselves. And they have the right to check a citizen and his weapon in accordance with the law.


                  It's not even about weapons, but about the fact that a person is being detained with a legally purchased CBS radio, which are fully permitted, guided by some "internal" documents.
            2. Fat
              Fat 17 February 2021 21: 23
              0
              Judge, Bro! not to the prosecutor. This is still an administrative procedure, not a "criminal proceeding".
              In general, the police have become toothless, without the civil rank of judges. The prosecutor's office supports and formulates the accusation if this suddenly happens.
      3. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 19: 51
        0
        Is there such a practice: you come to your regional department and, if your "machete" is suitable according to the criteria, let's say as a bonus, So that they write you a piece of paper saying that you are allowed to wear this flamberg?))
        1. Shopping Mall
          14 February 2021 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Nikon OConor
          Is there such a practice: you come to your regional department and, if your "machete" is suitable according to the criteria, let's say as a bonus, So that they write you a piece of paper saying that you are allowed to wear this flamberg?))


          no.

          You don't need anything on the machete, but in fact, all oncoming patrols will take out your brain.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 31
            0
            You don't need anything on the machete, but in fact, all oncoming patrols will take out your brain.
            well, I don’t know, if you don’t shine too much and keep it in a scabbard, behave calmly and imperceptibly, walked in 16, for the sake of joke, with a machete 45 cm.blade in a black sheath on his hip, two parkas and a bank, no one paid attention, two patrols of foot patrols met in parks, a security guard at the bank at the entrance, just maybe the scabbard did not stand out much (black - on white jeans laughing )!
        2. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 14 February 2021 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Nikon OConor
          Is there such a practice: you come to your regional department and, if your "machete" is suitable according to the criteria, let's say as a bonus, So that they write you a piece of paper saying that you are allowed to wear this flamberg?))
          premium ax of the NKVD
          Bounty ax NKVD ...
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 26
      0
      There is paper. Can I carry these half a meter freely?
      to begin with, what is written on the paper? And what is paper, a certificate of conformity or information leaflet, an attachment to the certificate !? And then it will be seen whether you have, or still go to the "permission" and there it is already decided whether to have or not to have! winked
  • Double major
    Double major 14 February 2021 16: 51
    +5
    I was always pinned by something else. The knife is a type of weapon. And the ax is not. Our ancestors Novgorod Germans on Chudskoye and Swedes on the Neva unarmed crumbled into a salad ... The ax is the main weapon of the militia of the Lord of Novgorod the Great ... Aren't the deputies tired of toying with foolishness? Maybe exclude such a concept as XO altogether? In skilled hands, a pencil is deadly.
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    3. Redsun
      Redsun 14 February 2021 16: 58
      +2

      I'll make the pencil disappear ...
      TA-LADY! It evaporated
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 February 2021 17: 00
    +2
    I wanted to bring a Caucasian Dagger to my home and hang it on the wall. from the homeland. And it's good that I read the laws of Germany on the subject of edged weapons. It turns out that knives and stilettos with double-sided sharpening are melee weapons, regardless of their length, and are prohibited from being carried. But the Japanese Tanto is the same length and with a guard without TC problems. one-sided sharpening am
    so you understand this logic
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 February 2021 00: 41
      -2
      Quote: Klingon
      It turns out that knives and stilettos with double-sided sharpening are melee weapons, regardless of their length, and are prohibited to carry. But the Japanese Tanto is the same length and with a guard without TC problems. one-sided sharpening
      so you understand this logic

      The dagger is originally intended to defeat the bio target and does not carry any other task. It is more convenient to peel potatoes with a knife, as well as cut sausages. That's all the logic. request
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 15 February 2021 10: 46
        0
        Tanto is a knife for finishing in a mini-katana form factor, and not for peeling potatoes wassat
        The samurai finishing off the enemy, took the tanto with a reverse grip, thrust it under the helmet and cut off the enemy's head. There was even a special performance technique.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 15 February 2021 11: 00
          -3
          Quote: Klingon
          Tanto is a knife for finishing off in a mini-katana form factor, and not for peeling potatoes

          Tanto is the same:
          Tanto (Japanese 短刀 tanto: literally "short sword") is a samurai dagger.

          And I mean the dagger in general. And you tell me about the samurai, about whom you also have no idea.
          so you understand this logic
          wassat
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X 14 February 2021 17: 11
    +5
    And my hobby is making high-quality knives. He moved his entire workshop from the garage to Moscow time for a hitch, and now there is something to do on winter evenings. Made from good steels and selected materials for the handle. For "soul" and gifts ... So sometimes, when making a knife, a flight of imagination prompts knives of wonderful contours. And you measure the guard and quickly reduce the stubbornness on the grinder, leading the knife to "not cold" ... But already the proportions are violated.
    And the law is strange. A machete under a meter in length is not a cold one, but a finochka with a 10 cm blade 3 mm thick in the butt and with stops-cold one ... This is such a strange division in the understanding of the law ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 February 2021 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: Alexander X
      And my hobby is making high-quality knives.

      Which ones? The name of the brand, the master, the sample, at least in the photo. But advertising is valid. wink
      1. Alexander X
        Alexander X 14 February 2021 17: 49
        +4
        Which ones? The name of the brand, the master, the sample, at least in the photo. But advertising is valid.
        I'm not good enough to be out on the Blade. And I wrote not for the sake of advertising, but for the fact that I realize "through my production" all the ill-conceivedness of the law. I can throw a photo through whatsapp.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 14 February 2021 19: 46
          0
          useful thing) Ya, by the way, I ordered my cutting knife from a familiar blacksmith, well, they do not sell such in Russia. Good shtuchenie, but how I was lured to get a certificate for him that he is not cool, and then the cops are always attached ...
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 18
            +1
            Quote: Cowbra
            useful thing) Ya, by the way, I ordered my cutting knife from a familiar blacksmith, well, they do not sell such in Russia. Good stuff, but how am I tempted to get a certificate for him that he is not cold, otherwise the cops are always hanging around ..

            This is not cold, there is a certificate, in my opinion it is superior to the so-called (combat knives, daggers, in general). But it costs money.
            1. Altona
              Altona 14 February 2021 22: 55
              +3
              Quote: Tank Hard
              This is not cold, there is a certificate, in my opinion it is superior to the so-called (combat knives, daggers in general).

              -------------------------
              Such a, hmm, multifaceted blade that looks like a sling cutter, a lifeguard knife, and a survival knife. Such an explosive mixture in association.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 06
                -2
                Quote: Altona
                Such a, hmm, multifaceted blade that looks like a sling cutter, a lifeguard knife, and a survival knife. Such an explosive mixture in association

                A famous product, a well-known master in certain circles. Who knows, he knows, whoever does not know and does not understand, he does not need. wink
                1. Altona
                  Altona 14 February 2021 23: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Who knows, he knows, he who does not know and does not understand, he does not need.

                  ------------------------
                  I’m not good at such puzzles. All of the above (the knife of the rescuer, etc.) was rejected as unnecessary. hi
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 11
                    0
                    Quote: Altona
                    I’m not good at such puzzles. All of the above (the knife of the rescuer, etc.) was rejected as unnecessary.

                    I'm also not particularly interested in bringing light to the masses. Here people are like smarter, they know more. Let them think so. wink
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 14 February 2021 23: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      I'm also not particularly interested in bringing light to the masses.

                      ---------------------------
                      There are no questions to the handle, everything is simple and logical. But the blade is stupid. What is it to rob with such a blade? laughing laughing
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        There are no questions to the handle, everything is simple and logical. But the blade is stupid. What is it like to rob with such a blade

                        It is good to cut the meat (by the way, the handle solution is better to eat). laughing
                      2. Altona
                        Altona 14 February 2021 23: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Cut the meat well.

                        --------------------------
                        "Everyone has their own shortcomings", if you remember the famous film. laughing
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        "Everyone has their own shortcomings", if you remember the famous film.

                        To each his own. hi
                      4. Altona
                        Altona 14 February 2021 23: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        To each his own.

                        --------------------
                        Jedem das Seine. Follow the quotes. laughing laughing
                      5. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 30
                        0
                        Eugene, well, you probably know what a "frontal cut" is? It's just that for me, individuals are divided into 2 categories, those who know what it is (they don't need to explain anything to them), and those who don't know what a "frontal cut" is (they don't want to explain anything to them, they don't need it). That's all there is to it. And quotes have nothing to do with it. repeat
                      6. Altona
                        Altona 15 February 2021 00: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Eugene, well, you probably know what a "frontal cut" is? It's just that individuals are divided into 2 categories for me, those who know what it is (they don't need to explain anything), and those who don't know what a "frontal cut" is (they don't want to explain anything, they don't need to explain it). That's all there is to it.

                        -----------------------------
                        I honestly don't know. There is no need to explain, I googled this question, however, I am far from that, although it seems clear that the geometry of the knife is sharpened for (the most effective) cutting work.
                      7. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 15 February 2021 00: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Altona
                        There is no need to explain, I google this question, however, I am far from that, although it seems clear that the geometry of the knife is sharpened for (the most effective) cutting work.

                        Eugene, you can't google it alone. For example, my NDK-17, the ruler shows the size from the tips of the working part of the blade when pricked, it is about 5,5 cm, add at least a couple more cm when it enters the biocell. Now remember the structure and location of the vessels. Further yourself. hi

  • Altona
    Altona 14 February 2021 23: 12
    +1
    Quote: Cowbra
    I ordered my assembly knife from a familiar blacksmith

    ------------------------
    Duc all make from good tool steel. U8A (carbon) or 65G (spring) at least, Rockwell hardness will be about 60. And this seems to be prohibited.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 15 February 2021 10: 49
    0
    You can't hide a machete in your pocket, but a Finn is a secretive knife. This also plays a role. Here is such nonsense for you to warm up: A crossbow in Germany is not a melee weapon, but a slingshot with a pre-shoulder stock, yes! because of the slingshot, I almost went to court when they stopped me and my son in Dusseldorf at the airport wassat
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 February 2021 17: 45
    +1
    A fork will hit someone, is this a weapon?
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 14 February 2021 18: 08
      +2
      An ambulance call: But Vasya swallowed the corkscrew ......! The answer is fast: So what ??? ....... How what ???? now open with a fork) drinks
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 14 February 2021 18: 15
        0
        Fucking jokes, this is from life. At my classmate at the wedding, our other classmate was killed just like that. For a long time it was true, back in the seventies, but nevertheless.
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 14 February 2021 18: 36
          0
          You can drown the spoon unconditionally.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      A fork will hit someone, is this a weapon?

      By a court decision, a sentence will be passed on the use of a fork as a weapon. request
  • Alien From
    Alien From 14 February 2021 18: 05
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    Very interesting, continue)
  • saygon66
    saygon66 14 February 2021 18: 10
    0
    - A creepy-looking contraption, from the first photo, just stabbing ... There is absolutely no way to cut it! wink
    - But if they have someone to boil in a scabbard, it's easy! It's all-metal!
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 14 February 2021 20: 02
      +1
      That's right, prick. And it also seemed to me that the blade is attached to the handle on a bushing with a bearing ... If so, then it also turns during .... Well, just without a bearing, why weigh a pound?
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 16 February 2021 11: 00
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        - There is definitely no bearing ... 31 cm long piece of iron ... Even with a hollow handle ...
        - An outwardly similar object - a metal drill 25 mm, 286 cm long, with a tapered shank weighs 630 grams. Everything, in general, converges! wink
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 14 February 2021 18: 14
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    You can keep at home any edged weapon, even a sword, even a saber, even a halberd, but, here, for carrying, selling, manufacturing / repairing an administrative penalty in the form of a fine is assumed, for a second fine there is already more and you can even earn administrative arrest. this law raises questions, what, excuse me, "stupid person" wrote it, if not "make", not "repair", not buy, then how can you get cold steel?
    Moreover, it must be admitted that this law does not work, on all weapon sites trade in any melee weapon is in full swing, they are engaged in its manufacture, repair, and no one fines or arrests anyone ...
    1. sir Galant
      sir Galant 14 February 2021 18: 34
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      Apparently you have a law degree. Clarify about the award melee weapons. it is numbered, there are award documents, no certificate
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 15 February 2021 01: 33
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        Quote: sir Galant
        Apparently you have a law degree. Clarify about the award melee weapons. it is numbered, there are award documents, no certificate

        Call your local FRRR Rosgvardia and ask the inspector to clarify this question
    2. Obliterator
      Obliterator 15 February 2021 00: 47
      0
      Quote: bistrov.
      You can keep at home any edged weapon, even a sword, even a saber, even a halberd, but, here, for carrying, selling, manufacturing / repairing an administrative penalty in the form of a fine is assumed, for a second fine there is already more and you can even earn administrative arrest. this law raises questions, what, excuse me, "stupid person" wrote it, if not "make", not "repair", not buy, then how can you get cold steel?

      Don't mislead people - selling, manufacturing and repairing knives are criminal offenses, not administrative offenses.
  • BAI
    BAI 14 February 2021 18: 33
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    Based on the existing GOSTs, the following main features of CW can be distinguished:

    - the length of the blade must be at least 90 mm;


    Knives with a blade length of up to 90 mm cannot be melee weapons, including this applies to switch knives.

    - blade butt thickness from 2,6 to 6 mm;

    - the presence of stops (guards) or sub-finger grooves with a height of more than 5 mm, for knives with more than one groove or stop, their size should be less than 4 mm;

    - steel hardness from 42 HRC and above;

    - the presence of a sharpened blade.


    The knife was bought in a utility store. Price - 2 rubles. 15 kopecks. steel 65X13 (laser applied to the blades, not visible in the photo). Butt thickness - 3 mm. hardness of steel from 42 HRC and above; - who will deal with this in the police-police? Dimensions - the knife lies diagonally across the A4 sheet.
    And such knives - the sea. Both in Soviet times and now. Especially from China (but steel is shit there).
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 19: 04
      -2
      Quote: BAI
      hardness of steel from 42 HRC and above

      Did I oversleep something? Previously, the hardness was like 28?
      1. BAI
        BAI 14 February 2021 20: 22
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        Did I oversleep?

        Maybe. The author claims - 42, legislation - too.
  • Old26
    Old26 14 February 2021 19: 16
    +5
    Quote: Corona without virus
    I'm not talking about the length of the blade))) What a nafig "butterfly" less than at least 15 cm))) I'm talking about steel, if it does not pass in quality, then? ...

    The article clearly states - "IF DOES NOT MEET ONE OF THE POSITIONS" - is not a melee weapon. Less than 9 cm is not cold. Hardness less than 42 HRC - not a weapon

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Most of the knives sold in Soviet hardware and travel stores were conceptually reminiscent of Victorinox-style Swiss army knives, given the generally terrible workmanship.

    More details, citizen author. There were no drills like in the picture? So it's not a knife at all, God knows what. And which folding knives were our worse? Personally, I still use the Vorksman hunter, plus the Davydkinsky fisherman.

    Well, some of the knives were of "horrific quality," but they weren't folding knives. But the tourist set "Pike" - steel is very soft. To sharpen, if not after each cut, then very often

    Quote: Flood
    Quote: AVM
    Collectors are a market, they create demand, there is a turnover of funds, shops and their employees earn, taxes are paid, when the market is developed, their own manufacturers appear, and this is again taxes, technologies, employment, etc.

    replace the word “collectors” with “millionaires” or “billionaires”. what will change? nothing.
    Does this mean that laws should be tailored for a small group of people? this is legal nonsense. the very will that you wrote about above.

    Collectors are part of the market, of course, but the laws are crazy in this regard. Sometimes such a collector can buy a thing he likes only after it has been "emasculated". And if, for example, SVT or "Mauser-98" is not a very rare thing and you can close your eyes to it (that the barrel is cut through plus something else is out of order, then when it comes to really collectible items, for example, the same guns 1700 -s, then such emasculation reduces the value to zero. ”At the same time, the police" It doesn't matter "that in order to load such a weapon and prepare it for shooting, an uncommon skill is needed, which sometimes collectors do not have, but alas - the LAW

    It's the same with the cold. I stitch, for example, the edge of the dagger, although this dagger can be really rare.
    Why, for example, can an ordinary person not buy something really serious or keep something they found? At the same time, he is a priori by "permissive" services recorded as criminals.

    Quote: exo
    Here, I agree 100% here. Drunkenly cut with kitchen knives or bottle rosettes. And rarely Microtech Juice Elite or Benchmide. And, ballisong is more dangerous for the drunk owner than for the victim.

    So EMNIP kitchen knives come first as a crime weapon. I have not heard that someone went to the store, bought the same "King of the Jungle" or something else that "stabbed the offender." It is easier to go to the market and buy a kitchen "messer" with a blade length of 30 centimeters in general. As for what can be stabbed, there is a Christomatic example, when in the 80s in the Moscow region a pedophile attacked a 10-11 year old boy in a grove, not far from the microdistrict. He only had a keychain in which there were two blades: a bottle opener and a knife blade either 15 or 20 mm long (millimeters), but defending his life he could inflict a fatal blow on a pedophile with such a “knife”. And the first number as a murder weapon, especially on domestic soil, is a frying pan. So, and impose restrictions on it?

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: exo
    Drunk with kitchen knives

    Tramontina?

    It is possible for her. There are many good and "big" knives among kitchen utensils. Speaking of Tramontina. There is also a tramontina machete knife.

    With a blade length of 30-40 cm, in all respects, it is not suitable for edged weapons. As if they cannot "hack to death". By the way, then it is necessary to ban axes. laughing

    Quote: Altona
    On specialized sites, they write the approximate phrase "objects similar to cold weapons", that is, like a knife, and a knife in Africa. For example, I always carry a Victorinox penknife (I have several of them), because you always need to cut something, screw it on, pick it up in your teeth, remove it with tweezers, open a bottle. This subject is quite functional. And so, today there are many different knives and prices from moderate to cosmic. In the garden and in the forest I use the Companion Mora, it is enough to cut a branch or make a stick for walking.

    Himself in absolutely the same situation. On the belt "Victorinox", such a

    In the bag is the usual folding "Spiderco". Depending on the situation, there may be another seven-piece folding knife in your pocket with a blade length of 5 cm, in the bag there is also a "multitool" (the last two - not always)
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 03
      0
      Quote: Old26
      But the tourist set "Pike" - steel is very soft. To sharpen, if not after each cut, then very often

      Is it a knife with a fork, or what? So this is a mockery, not a knife.
      Quote: Old26
      In the bag is the usual folding "Spiderco". Depending on the situation, there may be another seven-piece folding knife with a blade length of 5 cm in your pocket,

      That way, in the 82nd year, a neighbor gave me a knife, which I had lost in good quality. There were more than 7 items.
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 14 February 2021 21: 27
      0
      Quote: Old26

      Collectors are part of the market, of course, but the laws are crazy in this regard. Sometimes such a collector can buy a thing he likes only after it has been "emasculated". And if, for example, SVT or "Mauser-98" is not a very rare thing and you can close your eyes to it (that the barrel is cut through plus something else is out of order, then when it comes to really collectible items, for example, the same guns 1700 -s, then such emasculation reduces the value to zero. ”At the same time, the police" It doesn't matter "that in order to load such a weapon and prepare it for shooting, an uncommon skill is needed, which sometimes collectors do not have, but alas - the LAW
      I don't know the laws about firearms by heart, but ...
      Can register collectible weapon as a HUNTER ???I will explain - in hunting stores they sell SKS, Mosin carbines ... - according to the documents - hunting weapon... By purchasing shotgun of the 1700s - register it as an ordinary IZH-18 smooth-bore shotgun ... But you need CONSULT A LAWYER (maybe there is such a loophole). hi
    3. Altona
      Altona 14 February 2021 23: 05
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      Quote: Old26
      Himself in absolutely the same situation. On the belt "Victorinox", such a

      -----------------------------------
      I also have similar models, it looks like your former "Wenger", successfully absorbed by Vika. By the way, I also wear a Victorinox watch, I bought myself a chronograph with a tachograph on the bezel for my birthday, with a weighty bracelet. Although I wear cheap Casio solar powered ones to work. hi
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 14 February 2021 19: 42
    +1
    Just about, the legislation regarding knives in the Russian Federation is the standard of painful delirium !!! I spoke and I will repeat:
    Only those suffer from such laws. who really needs a knife, for example, as a working tool. You can't buy guano - you chop off your fingers or break them. And in order to ventilate the intestines - a gopnik will have enough cheap stuff bought in a station stall for one time - one blow to the liver and a fork will do it.
    Give me that freak who came up with the law, I will find him a mild steel knife, 8 cm long, with a smooth handle without a guard - and drive him on the roof in the rain to cut a cable as thick as a cookie. After that, he definitely won't write, he won't be able to print stupid laws - it's difficult, without fingers!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 21: 55
      +2
      Give me that freak who came up with the law, I will find him a mild steel knife, 8 cm long, with a smooth handle without a guard - and drive him on the roof in the rain to cut a cable as thick as a cookie. After that, he definitely won't write, he won't be able to print stupid laws - it's difficult, without fingers!
      Well said, respect hi !!! You can also add that in case of accidents in transport it can become the "last chance", personally got into it when the seat belt had to be cut with my knife and at the same time very quickly ...
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 14 February 2021 20: 08
    +1
    damn, all such specialists) it is clear that there are edged weapons and what not. about the premium answer! IMHO this is not regulated by current legislation. It gives me power, and what else should I justify before it?
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 14 February 2021 21: 29
      0
      join the Cossacks, buy a saber or dagger - part of the national uniform
  • Old26
    Old26 14 February 2021 20: 18
    +2
    Quote: BAI
    Based on the existing GOSTs, the following main features of CW can be distinguished:

    - the length of the blade must be at least 90 mm;


    Knives with a blade length of up to 90 mm cannot be melee weapons, including this applies to switch knives.

    - blade butt thickness from 2,6 to 6 mm;

    - the presence of stops (guards) or sub-finger grooves with a height of more than 5 mm, for knives with more than one groove or stop, their size should be less than 4 mm;

    - steel hardness from 42 HRC and above;

    - the presence of a sharpened blade.


    The knife was bought in a utility store. Price - 2 rubles. 15 kopecks. steel 65X13 (laser applied to the blades, not visible in the photo). Butt thickness - 3 mm. hardness of steel from 42 HRC and above; - who will deal with this in the police-police? Dimensions - the knife lies diagonally across the A4 sheet.
    And such knives - the sea. Both in Soviet times and now. Especially from China (but steel is shit there).

    They may think that the handle is traumatic, fingers can slip off, which means not XO
    About China and steel. Don't tell. In the 90s, I once bought a set of "spoon-fork-knife-opener" near work on the collapse. A few weeks later, the knife stop broke. When opened, it could also be lifted up vertically. Then, during the day at work, a fork formed spontaneously. Then the knife flew off the second floor into the trash can.
    But somewhere at the beginning of 2010, a friend gave me a small clumsy knife. China. The name of EMNIP "North-Eastern Territories". It turned out that there was no chisel for a friend to change the lock and we used it as a chisel, hollowing out a place for the lock in the door. And I must say, no burrs on the blade. And the sharpening "did not fly off"

    Quote: Bad_gr
    Quote: bk0010
    Dirk is not a weapon? But...

    On our modern daggers, metal is very soft, apparently, that's why it doesn't work as a weapon. Simply, a status thing.
    The Kukri knife is the same, it does not fall under the classification "weapon" (but already because of the bending of the blade)

    It depends on what. In souvenir shops and various "Cossack shops" - yes there. The modern sea dagger has good steel.
    And Kuhri, yes, does not fall under the classification of XO. As if it is very difficult for them to hack laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 February 2021 21: 07
      -3
      Quote: Old26
      And Kuhri, yes, does not fall under the classification of XO. As if it is very difficult for them to hack

      Eligible if the thickness is more than 2 mm.
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 14 February 2021 22: 49
        +3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Eligible if the thickness is more than 2 mm.

        No, it is not a weapon due to the absence of a guard (stop), which means it is traumatic when pricked, as well as the bending of the blade, where the tip of the blade deviates significantly from the axis of the blade. My butt thickness is about 10 mm. Not XO even once.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 21
      0
      Quote: Old26
      And Kuhri, yes, does not fall under the classification of XO. As if it is very difficult for them to hack

      An ax is not more difficult. wink
      1. dedusik
        dedusik 14 February 2021 21: 32
        +1
        The most interesting thing is that the bayonet from the Mosin rifle (without modifications) is not an XO.
        "Explanation of the EKTs of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation from 2006 on the study of certain types of cold weapons and objects that are structurally similar to them
        (rubber sticks, type PR, telescopic brushes,
        needle bayonets for rifles of the Mosin system)

        Information mail

        … .3. In the expert practice of edged weapons, questions often arise about the study of bayonets with tubes ("a typical representative" is a Russian needle bayonet for a Mosin rifle).
        Bayonets of this design were used in the infantry for over 250 years, having lingered especially for a long time in service in Russia (until the mid-50s of the twentieth century).
        Such bayonets did not have handles and were worn on the barrel as a piercing weapon complementary to the rifle. Due to the lack of a handle, they could not even be used as a stylet and were useless in all situations except bayonet fighting.
        The length of the tubes of bayonets of various designs is 65–85 mm, the outer diameter is 20–25 mm, while the distance from the rear edge of the tube to the neck of the bayonet does not exceed 70 mm, which does not ensure reliable, convenient and safe holding of the bayonet by hand.
        Therefore, if the tube has not been altered (various options for its lengthening), then the expert opinion should indicate that “the bayonet as presented does not belong to the weapon.”
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 14 February 2021 21: 33
          +1
          Quote: dedusik
          The most interesting thing is that the bayonet from the Mosin rifle (without modifications) is not an XO.

          Even more fun, it sometimes came in the form of a screwdriver. wink
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 14 February 2021 23: 43
            +2
            Quote: Tank Hard

            -1
            Quote: dedusik
            The most interesting thing is that the bayonet from the Mosin rifle (without modifications) is not an XO.

            Even more fun, it sometimes came in the form of a screwdriver.

            For especially gifted connoisseurs who minus me out of the kindness of their soul laughing ... Here are the "trench knives" made of a "mosinka" bayonet, where the tip is made in the form of a screwdriver (factory release). By the way, one in the picture, a really fought bayonet. This was conceived so that the product would bypass the bone when injected. So they say. request


    3. Fat
      Fat 17 February 2021 21: 31
      0
      Litovka is never a weapon, like a sickle. Finally, stop citing the example of kuhri as a weapon.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 14 February 2021 21: 28
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    Quote: AVM
    Everything is relative, right? Are you really going to argue that the Soviet civil car industry was, how can I put it mildly?

    not exactly! the Soviet civil car industry was better than the western one, for example, gas 21 I have two and I am glad, gas13 = I dream, it is better than the jaguar, Mercedes and Rolls Royce of those years ... but after about the 70s of the last century, the auto industry in the USSR stopped developing, began to lag behind, despite this, my long cornfield will give odds to imported SUVs even now (and in terms of price-quality ratio, so in general). And 7ka Zhiguli are still popular even among young people for rifling on ice and riding in mud.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 February 2021 23: 06
      +1
      Quote: vladimir1155
      Yes, and 7ka Lada still

      ------------------------
      And what is the modern Lada Granta? This is the same well-tested 8 in a new body.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 15 February 2021 00: 01
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        I don’t know about the grant, didn’t have, wasn’t involved
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 14 February 2021 22: 18
    +1
    Yes, figs, I have two axes - clearly better than a knife. And to be honest, I know people who like knives, but this is more of a hobby than something suitable for weapons. Let people play around - I don't mind.
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 15 February 2021 00: 42
    +2
    hardness of steel from 42 HRC and above

    The German knights who went to Russia, and did not know that they were all as one - unarmed ... lol
    This, like many other laws, characterizes the quality of the lawmaking of our State Dura quite well. "Below the plinth"
  • Old26
    Old26 15 February 2021 02: 31
    +4
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Is it a knife with a fork, or what? So this is a mockery, not a knife.

    He is.

    Quote: Mordvin 3
    That way, in the 82nd year, a neighbor gave me a knife, which I had lost in good quality. There were more than 7 items.

    Seven-subject is not "Victorinox". An ordinary knife. Perhaps even made in China. But it is quite functional. 7 items are
    1. Knife
    2. Scissors
    3. Bottle opener
    4. Canned food opener
    5. Corkscrew
    6. Phillips screwdriver
    7. Something like a manicure file

    Quote: cat Rusich
    I don't know the laws about firearms by heart, but ...
    Can register a collection weapon as a HUNTER ???. I explain - in hunting shops they sell SKS, Mosin carbines ... - according to documents - hunting weapons. When purchasing a shotgun of the 1700s SMOOTHBREED - register it as an ordinary IZH-18 smoothbore shotgun ... But, you need to CONSULT A LAWYER (maybe there is such a loophole).

    To be honest, it doesn't bother me much. But the son of a friend bought through an Internet store, respectively, replicas (?) Of the Mauser and SVT carbines. So I know for sure that the trunk was cut through and something else was "cooled". As for old weapons, I also don't know for sure, but some of the collectors I know say exactly that it is impossible to buy and register it as a smoothbore. If you do not render it unusable. And after that you understand the value ...

    Quote: vladimir1155
    join the Cossacks, buy a saber or dagger - part of the national uniform

    "Do I need it?"
    The checker and dagger are also not 100% XO. Either the blade is "dangling" or the hardness is lower than the allowable one. Of course, these more "souvenir" blades can be killed, as well as the same "souvenir" dagger ...
    If I wish, I can buy myself a "souvenir" sword or "katana" and put it on the shelf. But there is no need for this
  • Klingon
    Klingon 15 February 2021 12: 50
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    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Klingon
    Tanto is a knife for finishing off in a mini-katana form factor, and not for peeling potatoes

    Tanto is the same:
    Tanto (Japanese 短刀 tanto: literally "short sword") is a samurai dagger.

    And I mean the dagger in general. And you tell me about the samurai, about whom you also have no idea.
    so you understand this logic
    wassat

    no need to poke at the concepts, before you judge the concepts of people, you take an IQ test and pull the beam out of your own eye wassat
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 February 2021 17: 01
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      Quote: Klingon
      no need to poke at the concepts, before you judge the concepts of people, you take an IQ test and pull the beam out of your own eye

      Well, it was not me who poked into the concept. and one connoisseur of samurai and lover of sarcasm, completely out of topic and absolutely flat. So what was the sarcasm about there? Huh?
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 15 February 2021 15: 55
    0
    According to police statistics, most murders and grievous injuries are inflicted not with combat knives, but with the most common household knives. For the simple reason that most of the murders are committed on a domestic basis according to the "drank-quarreled-fought" scheme. Well, they poked at the opponent with what came to hand ...