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The Pentagon ordered the development of a new drone to protect fighters

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The Pentagon ordered the development of a new drone to protect fighters

The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency of the US Department of Defense (DARPA) has begun development of a new jet-powered drone. As part of the LongShot program, the agency signed a contract with three companies.


The new drone, capable of carrying several types of air-to-air missiles, will be created by General Atomics, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, who were tasked with the preliminary design of a new drone. It is assumed that the new drone will increase the survivability of manned fighters, taking on the function of protection, hitting enemy aircraft with available means at a long distance.

LongShot program is changing the paradigm of aerial warfare, demonstrating an unmanned aerial vehicle capable of using modern high-precision weapon air-to-air class

- said the head of the DARPA program, Lt. Col. Paul Calhoun.

The LongShot program will be implemented in several stages. First, a drone will be developed, tested, and then a full-scale airborne demonstration system will be created on its basis, capable of "performing a controlled flight before, during and after the release / launch of weapons in operational conditions."

Whether the companies will jointly create a drone or each will develop its own version of the drone is still unknown. Apart from information that the drone will have a jet engine and carry air-to-air missiles, there is no other information yet.
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  1. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 08
    +4
    In fact, they have been involved in similar projects since the 60s. Now the technological level allows you to create a full-fledged UAV defender. It is interesting to use it on B-52 bombers or arsenals that are also being tested in parallel.




    It looks like the tests took place on UTAP-22 earlier, apparently successfully.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 32
      +1
      Also in development is a project of small V-V missiles. Which will ideally stand on such UAVs.

    2. lasroc
      lasroc 10 February 2021 14: 47
      +4
      It looks like tests took place on UTAP-22 earlier, apparently successfully

      Yes there were such tests hi
  2. sannyhome
    sannyhome 10 February 2021 14: 08
    -3
    Well, it dawned on them that the aviation wars of the future would be waged by units - a fighter with a live pilot and a dozen drones slaves ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 11
      -2
      Quote: sannyhome
      Well, it dawned on them

      In what sense? laughing The USA was the first to offer and test such schemes. It's called Loyal Wingman laughing
      1. sannyhome
        sannyhome 10 February 2021 14: 13
        -6
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        In what sense?

        In direct. In MAI, a similar battle scheme was proposed back in the XNUMXs. But the second Chechen war, then the CTO, then the restoration ... They never realized it, there was only enough money to run the Berkut
    2. iouris
      iouris 11 February 2021 12: 23
      -1
      "Links" have the prospect, first of all, for the protection of long-range bombers. A "live" fighter pilot can be aboard a bomber.
  3. Cananecat
    Cananecat 10 February 2021 14: 10
    -2
    As soon as we showed the flight of the SU57 AND HUNTER pair and it started ...
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 14
      -1
      Seriously? So this option in combat conditions was used in 1944 year, USA v Japan laughing

    2. Voltsky
      Voltsky 10 February 2021 14: 16
      +6
      this concept is their brainchild, they were the first to start working on it and bring it to life.
      1. sannyhome
        sannyhome 10 February 2021 14: 18
        +6
        Well, in fairness, their concept is a "flying aircraft carrier". Here is somewhat different ...
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 10 February 2021 14: 24
          +3
          you can endlessly find fault with the nuances; UAV flying carrier is just a logical continuation, due to fuel economy, etc. etc.
          1. Romario_Argo
            Romario_Argo 10 February 2021 14: 48
            -3
            that's all, bullshit - you need a system not only for refueling but also bookmaker replenishment
            (missiles in-in, in-z, in-k, if only, odeby, ofy)
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 25
          +2
          See the photo in the first post, this is the 60s.
          Flying Aircraft Carrier - the program is called Gremlins. Here is a video of the actual flight and concept.


          1. Mitroha
            Mitroha 10 February 2021 14: 36
            +5
            1931 V.S. Vakhmistrov and "Airplane Link" On TB - 3 they hung I-5, I-7, I-16. In 1938, the tests were successfully completed. So who is not needed first laughing
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 February 2021 14: 50
              +3
              Mozhaisky's airplane also had a wingman - Mozhaisky's maloplane.
              Controlled by voice and by telephone from an airplane. am
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 15: 10
                -3
                Continuing ...
                The F-15EX is an ideal carrier for Longshot, it will calmly lift 6 of them, the co-pilot will be able to control the UAV, the first by the aircraft itself.
              2. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 11 February 2021 08: 39
                -3
                Northrop Grumman showed its LongShot variant. Suspiciously similar to XQ-58


                A new type of rockets is shown. Similar to CUDA.

            2. Mitroha
              Mitroha 10 February 2021 14: 51
              +1
              Who cares, more details can be found in the internet, at least here https: //legendary-aircraft.blogspot.com/2013/06/Modifikacii-TB-3.html?m=1
  4. Intruder
    Intruder 10 February 2021 14: 12
    +2
    and then a full-scale airborne demonstration system capable of "performing a controlled flight before, during and after the release / launch of weapons in operational conditions" will be created on its basis.
    wonderful new world, manned systems are now protected by drones with RVV, then underwater and surface "guards" with anti-ship missiles and anti-aircraft missiles will appear, and then anti-personnel and anti-tank missile drones in the ground forces, in each unit for self-defense of military personnel, from various enemy .., there is only a question, in the need then - "that weak link ...", which is so going to protect and protect, while performing a combat mission !?
    1. Voltsky
      Voltsky 10 February 2021 14: 21
      +1
      a person in this concept is an operator of autonomous weapons, giving an order to storm and neutralize the enemy; that is, autonomous machines must defend it at the cost of their safety, because without it they are just toys. For this, AI is being worked out, since remote control is vulnerable, but a direct visual order is a little more complicated.
      1. aars
        aars 10 February 2021 14: 33
        -1
        Quote: Voletsky
        for without him they are just toys
        Of course not.
        Artificial intelligence was not invented for nothing.
        A person is no longer able to play with AI either in chess or in Go, tactics are next.
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 10 February 2021 14: 46
          +2
          You are clearly new to robotics :)
          Let me explain that more than one robot is still incapable of independently moving around obstacles and analyzing the environment in full; and what else to rank the enemy according to the degree of threat in general is not yet discussed. So far, we are only at the very beginning of our journey in building neural networks.
          Boston dynamics videos look, these are toys
          1. aars
            aars 10 February 2021 14: 57
            -1
            Robots have nothing to do with it.
            Neural networks are rather little promising, it is not for nothing that they talk about a differentiable approach, i.e. the introduction of explicit rules, logic.
            But if you are so interested in robots - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iV_hB08Uns, you are quite familiar with it.
            Progress is expected in the coming years, no wonder they say that the F-35 will be the last manned fighter.
            1. Voltsky
              Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 02
              +1
              I work with them, and therefore they are not interesting to me, but I must know something about them ...
              A neural network is just a basis for receiving from outside, processing, storing, transmitting and outputting information outside: and then we enter Asimov's laws there
            2. Voltsky
              Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 08
              +1
              damn .... watched the vidos :) surprises you? :)
              Do you see QR codes? :) thanks to them he understands what boxes are in which ...
              1. aars
                aars 10 February 2021 15: 09
                0
                Yes, just like a man.
                This is the same for replacing the movers.
                1. Voltsky
                  Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 20
                  0
                  well, technically automated warehouses have been around for a long time ...
                  you can walk through the industrial zones and you will see different bobs.
                  You'd better confirm the thesis about
                  Quote: aars
                  Neural networks are rather unpromising.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 February 2021 15: 23
            -1
            "We are only at the very beginning of our journey in building neural networks." ///
            ----
            Nobody is going to create neural networks. Robotics and AI
            develop in other directions.
            1. Voltsky
              Voltsky 10 February 2021 15: 32
              +1
              nope :)

              it is easier to outsource computing power than to shove all this into each robot, it is enough for him to provide a connection with the mother program.

              and in the sense that no one is going to create neural networks !? they are already being created, and everywhere.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 18: 12
                -1
                The military does not outsource computing power if it can not.
                1. Voltsky
                  Voltsky 10 February 2021 18: 53
                  +1
                  Dia ?!
                  Damn, but I always thought that the warriors issue terms of reference within the framework of which the necessary env are being conducted; thanks for clarifying.
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 18: 55
                    -2
                    Quote: Voletsky
                    Dia ?!


                    Yes.

                    Quote: Voletsky
                    damn, but I always thought that the warriors issue terms of reference


                    Yes.

                    Quote: Voletsky
                    thank you


                    Please.
                    1. Voltsky
                      Voltsky 10 February 2021 22: 27
                      0
                      I.e ?!
                      Am I wrong somewhere or is it you? :)
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 14: 23
      -2
      Not later, but already.


      1. Intruder
        Intruder 10 February 2021 14: 32
        +1
        Not later, but already.
        eh, you have overtaken me, colleague! hi
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 10 February 2021 14: 48
          0
          interesting small ground platforms, they can even carry a caliber - 9 mm., in a removable module and species reconnaissance right on the battlefield ..., plus a light devil, you can carry two of these with you behind your back ...
    3. spirit
      spirit 10 February 2021 14: 24
      +1
      Everything gradually), first they will work on the protection, then the person will be in the role of the commander of the spotter by the group, in the end everything is carried out that the person will intervene only in critical and emergency situations hi
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 February 2021 14: 54
        +2
        that's exactly the role of a person to give orders according to the operational situation
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 10 February 2021 14: 56
    +1
    So everything is clear, logical.
    We must bear this in mind.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 15: 02
      -1
      Yes. By 2025, 4-5 countries will be armed with massive jet UAVs. Capable of striking air, land and sea targets. By 2030, they will become the main striker. We need the same massive solutions in response. The hunter will be absolutely useless. The same Sukhoi has more suitable solutions.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 February 2021 15: 09
        0
        Money, money and more money.
        Those. can only decide at the very top.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 10 February 2021 15: 09
        +2
        By 2030, they will become the main striker. We need the same massive solutions in response. The hunter will be completely useless
        this is the first pancake - a demonstrator, or someone at VO, firmly believes in this and that he will be in service in another five years! ??? request Perhaps the Mig will catch up, if this trend in the unmanned and uninhabited military fashion will clearly be traced for a couple of years, perhaps we will see some Mig-100 (hundredth version) and already, as a light unmanned fighter ... wink
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 15: 17
          -1
          This is not the first demonstrator, these programs are many years old, they are created precisely pre-production samples. Above he threw the demonstrators, there were already a lot of them.
          The contract for the pre-production Loyal Wingman was signed in the USA with 3 companies, 10 more want to get it.
          Australian variant flies
          Turkey launched 2 projects of jet UAVs
          UK approved developer company
          China also has such UAVs.

          All voiced projects have a creation date pre-production samples in 2023, one more year for testing and in 2025 launch into serial production. Further more.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 10 February 2021 16: 38
            0
            This is not the first demonstrator
            actually, I meant: the Hunter! wink
            All announced projects have the date of creation of pre-production samples in 2023, one more year for testing and in 2025 launch into mass production
            I agree, although up to 25 years old, they can still come up with something else and a little to the side, go left tack ... request
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 16: 42
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              actually, I meant: the Hunter!

              Aaa ... So it’s not a tricky thing to take into service, to get into service and that the weapon would effectively fight is completely different.
              Quote: Intruder
              still can think of something else

              Oh, so many have already come up with ... There is more likely a question of what to choose from this all.
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 18: 14
            -1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            pre-production samples are created


            If this is DARPA, it is precisely the technology demonstrators.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 18: 21
              -2
              I'm talking about Loyal Wingman.
              According to LongShot, the exact wording is:
              The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA, hired General Atomics, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman to develop air-to-air combat drone projects with air-launched missiles under a program called LongShot

              Those. while virtual development, without prototypes or demonstrators.
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 18: 28
                0
                Loyal Wingman is the name of a specific Boeing project. Why do you think he will go to series? And if you consider Loyal Wingman a generic term - which of the many projects will go into series?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 18: 42
                  -2
                  You are confused.
                  There is a US Air Force program Skyborg under its development UAV type Loyal Wingman.
                  There is a Boeing project for the Australian Air Force called Loyal Wingman.
                  These are 2 different entities.
                  In December last year, the US Air Force signed a contract with 3 companies to create a prototype, which of these companies will win, that Loyal wingman will go into series.
                  More details here https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38015/these-three-companies-will-build-drones-to-carry-the-air-forces-skyborg-ai-computer-brain
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 18: 54
                    -1
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    You are confused.
                    There is a program of the US Air Force Skyborg, within its framework, a type of UAV Loyal Wingman is being developed.
                    There is a Boeing project for the Australian Air Force.


                    Loyal Wingman as a proper name is one specific Boeing project.

                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    In December last year, the US Air Force signed a contract with 3 companies to create a prototype, which of these companies will win, that Loyal wingman will go into series.
                    More details here https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38015/these-three-companies-will-build-drones-to-carry-the-air-forces-skyborg-ai-computer-brain


                    "The Air Force says it has hired Boeing, General Atomics, and Kratos to build prototype" loyal wingman "type drones to carry systems developed under the Skyborg program." Those. from the very beginning it is said that these are, firstly, prototypes, and secondly, "loyal wingman" is used as a generalized term ("loyal wingman" type drone), and not the name of the aircraft project.

                    And the article "Air Force is moving ahead with acquiring physical prototypes to test the Skyborg systems" ends. That is, it is not yet known what will go into the series (and whether it will go at all).
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 19: 26
                      -2
                      Once again, there is the Loyal Wingman UAV type (concept). The technology demonstrators for it were Xq-58 (formerly 222) and UTAP-22. They were made 2-5 years ago. In 2019, the Australian Air Force ordered Boeing to develop a UAV based on this concept and they named it Loyal Wingman (direct dreamers).
                      Here is an article for you from 2017 where this term is already used, although there are still 2 years before the Australian order.
                      Transit times to cover the XQ-222 substantial range are helped by its high subsonic speed capabilities — up to .9 mach — which means these aircraft could also be used alongside manned combat aircraft one day. “Tethering” or the “Loyal wingman”Concept is already being played with in various domains.

                      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7449/more-details-on-kratos-optionally-expendable-air-combat-drones-emerge
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 19: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Technology demonstrators for it were Xq-58 (formerly 222) and UTAP-22. They were made 2-5 years ago.


                        And this does not contradict the fact that the USAF has now ordered prototypes for testing.
          3. Object.F7
            Object.F7 10 February 2021 18: 55
            -3
            You can bold the word pre-production as much as you like, but in fact it won't. To begin with, you need to create at least 1 prototype, fly around it, then a long process of testing weapons. So far, everything is under development, there have not even been any runs on the ground, i.e. in fact, there is nothing but photoshop pictures
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 18: 58
              -2
              Quote: Object.F7
              at least 1 prototype,

              Here are 2 prototypes, enough?

              1. Object.F7
                Object.F7 10 February 2021 19: 37
                -1
                And here in general the Valkyrie, this is another project of lcasd, nothing to do with the subject "longshot"
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 19: 47
                  -3
                  Sure? No direct? Do they all at once forget all their developments and do everything from scratch?
                  And what's that under the wing of the F-15 with such interesting tips and head equipment?

                  And this is under the wing of the C-130

                  Or maybe under RQ-9?


                  All these projects are within the framework of one program, all are connected with each other and smoothly flow into one another.
                  1. Object.F7
                    Object.F7 10 February 2021 20: 07
                    0
                    Another offtopic from non-theme pictures. How do you place medium-range B-B missiles in these fakes suspended under the wings? That is precisely why a new program was required, because we are talking about a completely new apparatus, obviously much larger, which by the way have not yet been announced, because today only the development has been ordered. You must at least wait for the first (successful) flight and see the actual appearance of the product
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 10 February 2021 16: 48
        -1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The same Sukhoi has more suitable solutions.

        If my memory serves me, they are still Yakovlev's.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 16: 56
          -3
          There are a lot of projects, but they will not look very good at parades. Small, cheap ...
          Here S-70 is YES! Dimensions as in the Su-57, costs the same, flies majestically, looks awesome. Here's the truth to the sense of 0. Long-range reconnaissance and light bomber. In the absence of a normal satellite communication network. Yeah. But budgets ...
      4. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 19: 04
        -1
        Judging by the length of the wings, these are not devices for striking air targets. And the name "Probe" also hints.
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 15: 14
    -2
    And what the hell do you need fighters in that case?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 15: 44
      +1
      They will be the control centers of network-centric systems. Receive data from various sources, process and transmit commands to various end systems, such as UAVs Loyal Wingman and LongShot. In the United States, this role will be assigned to the F-35, F-15EX and, in the future, NGAD.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 February 2021 15: 49
        0
        And then what the hell do you need AWACS planes?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 15: 54
          +1
          For early warning radar. If AWACS is still control. But these are management at a higher level. It is precisely by the links and squadrons of aircraft.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 10 February 2021 16: 41
            -1
            For early warning radar.
            as backup channels directly next to the UAV operation area, if all satellite channels are jammed with REP, and the drones are already in the sky, or in the absence of money in the budget for their own (with lease, from the allies) orbital group, which is a pretty good option to save money. ..
          2. Ros 56
            Ros 56 10 February 2021 18: 30
            0
            Well, let them create this madhouse, the more links in the chain, the more chances of failure.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 10 February 2021 16: 46
        -1
        Receive data from various sources, process and transmit commands to various end systems, such as UAVs Loyal Wingman and LongShot. In the United States, this role will be assigned to the F-35, F-15EX and in the future NGAD
        hmm., but isn't it smart to "process" ie perform peripheral calculations with their acceleration, right on the sides: 35th and 15EX-nicknames !? There, so-and-so onboard volumes - not rubber, plus additional energy is needed, to power all these avionics modules? Maybe then, to hang something like: P8 or C-17 with security, of course !?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 16: 51
          -4
          So they are designed for this. This is the main criterion for the 5th generation. In fact, they are data centers with wings. This is the fundamental difference, and not in stealth and non-afterburning supersonic. All this is in the 4th generation.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 10 February 2021 18: 36
            -2
            This is the fundamental difference, and not in stealth and non-afterburning supersonic. All this is in the 4th generation.
            Well, to data centers, they don't really pull yet, maybe the link and will support it, quite limitedly or locally !? C-17, here is a machine for an air data center, or, in extreme cases, a P8, while everything is already there for this, just put additional racks and pull internal communications ... wink
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 19: 08
              +1
              It's just that the F-22 is a small data center based on the i960. And the P-8 is big on Intel Core.
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  8. Object.F7
    Object.F7 10 February 2021 18: 46
    -3
    For the past 15 years, some "experts" have uncontrollably argued that the Russians' bet on super-maneuverability is an outdated concept from WWII, they say it is necessary to build stealth fighters that will be the first to detect, attack and win. But then the tests of the Hunter started and it became obvious to many in the West that now the F-35 is inferior to the Su-57 + Hunter pair in general in all respects: speed, maneuverability, stealth, combat load. And now, urgently, they also began to develop their unmanned wingmen
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 19: 12
      -2
      Quote: Object.F7
      trials of the Hunter started, and it became obvious to many in the West that now the F-35 is inferior to the Su-57 + Hunter pair in general in all respects: speed, maneuverability, stealth, combat load.


      (suspiciously) How are you so well aware of the test results of the "Su-57 + Okhotnik pair"?
      1. Object.F7
        Object.F7 10 February 2021 19: 48
        -3
        From open sources. The hunter will expand the Su-57's radar field, which means it will have its own radar. Now we look at the shape of the Hunter - a flying wing, the perfect solution for stealth. Like the same B-2 bomber. Only the Hunter has an advantage in unmanning, unties the hands of engineers on layout, aerodynamics, the absence of a cockpit canopy, you don't need to be a genius to see the obvious advantages in stealth over the F-35
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 20: 14
          -4
          Excellent nonsense. Is it okay that the project of unmanned slaves started at least 5 years ago in the west? How are radar and stealth related? How does a flying wing UAV increase speed and maneuverability? Does it bother you that the US projects from which the S-70s were copied are already closed? Does it bother you that the shown S-70 prototype has no weapons bays? And that the price of this UAV, the size of the Su-57, with avionics from it, but a complicated circuit and unmanned equipment, will be at best 30 percent cheaper?
          S-70 is another ceremonial project, meaningless and useless. But very pleasing uryakalok.
          Here's a look at the work of the US projects, which cosplay (and not so well) C-70. Think about why they didn't go into production in a wealthy country like the USA.

          1. Object.F7
            Object.F7 10 February 2021 20: 46
            0
            The speed and maneuverability of the 57th, the Hunter, as an armed scout, flies in front and gives target designation. The prototype "without weapons bays" somehow carried out successful bombing, which means there are still bays. The question of price is at the level of guesswork, there is nothing to discuss yet
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 10 February 2021 21: 07
              -4
              Quote: Object.F7
              The hunter, as an armed scout, flies ahead and gives target designation.

              How does it detect and identify the target? Determine the exact coordinates for missile guidance?
              Quote: Object.F7
              The prototype "no weapons bays" somehow successfully bombed

              Was it? Do you have a photo / video? An official statement from the VKS or Sukhoi? Or is there just stuffing from journalists?
              Can you help me find traces of the hatches?


              Quote: Object.F7
              The question of price is at the level of guesswork, there is nothing to discuss yet

              This is Openel's secret. They announced $ 30 million, in reality it will be at least 2 times more expensive. If he does at least half of what he promised.
              1. Object.F7
                Object.F7 10 February 2021 22: 59
                -1
                I remember about 57, too, they said so, since the hatches are not shown, then they are not. And there, in the experimental series, each machine was different in execution. We do not know how many of them are already flying. If they wrote Okhotnik-B bombed, then maybe there will be versions of electronic warfare, tankers ...
            2. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 21: 33
              -2
              Quote: Object.F7
              The prototype "without weapons bays" somehow carried out successful bombing, which means there are still bays.


              You troll, right? Well, you can't be that ... uh ... incompetent.
        2. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 21: 29
          -1
          There is nothing open source to support your claims.

          Quote: Object.F7
          The hunter will expand the Su-57's radar field, which means he will have his own radar


          Will it be so or already has it? laughing If he hasn't already, how can he already surpass? And that's how it is with you.
          1. Object.F7
            Object.F7 10 February 2021 22: 35
            0
            Who do you have? This topic is interesting to me as an ordinary fan of aviation. For many nodes, unification with drying was declared, which creaked into the series, so there is no need to doubt the presence of a radar, ols, ius and other things
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 22: 40
              -1
              Quote: Object.F7
              Who do you have?


              The character with the nickname Object.F7 and other witnesses to the steepness of the pair Su-57 + Hunter.

              Quote: Object.F7
              unification with drying was declared


              Anything can be declared, but you claim that the "Su-57 + Hunter pair" is already superior. At the same time, there are simply no statements about the integration of radar, OLS and weapons (except for bombs). And everything is so with you.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 February 2021 20: 52
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      1) Hunter is a subsonic drone. The flying wing scheme does not imply
      maneuverability. Here is stealth, yes, embodied.

      2) It will be very inconvenient for the Hunter to work in tandem with the Su-57.
      Su-57 is a high-speed maneuverable fighter for gaining air superiority.
      The Hunter is a subsonic non-maneuverable drone.
      For the Su-57, the optimal speed is 1.2 - 1.3 MAX, for the Hunter - 0.8 - 0.9 MAX.
      How can they fly together?
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 21: 31
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Here is stealth, yes, embodied.


        What is the basis for the assertion that it has already been embodied?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 February 2021 21: 39
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          The shape of the apparatus. There are no keels, no tail. This is already a lot.
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 21: 42
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            So we can say that any such device is hardly noticeable.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 February 2021 21: 55
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              Here is the optimal form of stealth radio in all bands: from centimeter to meter waves (inclusive). R-21 Raider.
              But, of course, additional radio-absorbing airframe materials and coating are needed.
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              2. Dkuznecov
                Dkuznecov 10 February 2021 23: 30
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                Some kind of torn square of Malevich.
                What is this anyway?
      2. Object.F7
        Object.F7 10 February 2021 22: 00
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        1. I also considered subsonic speed to be a significant disadvantage, but as it turned out, the F-35 is also subsonic due to the requirements for maintaining the stealth coating. Maneuverable battle The hunter will lose if the encounter occurs. But at long distances, the unmanned aircraft will have the right to the first shots due to the best EPR. Here, of course, one must take into account at what heights the meeting and the terrain. 2) 57 will most likely roam a couple of tens of kilometers and act according to the situation.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 22: 24
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          Quote: Object.F7
          I also considered subsonic speed to be a significant disadvantage, but as it turned out, the F-35 is also subsonic


          But the Hunter is a pair for the Su-57, not the F-35.
  9. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 10 February 2021 23: 28
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    I'm not in the subject, but as I understand it
    we have something similar
    should already be? If it matters.
    It is clear that the US is free to squander
    means right and left.
    The article does not indicate whether this "nonsense" is needed
    or not.
    I would like an opinion more or less
    knowledgeable to hear.