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"There is no money for the F-15X and F-16": Kiev has confirmed the lack of funds for the purchase of new fighters

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"There is no money for the F-15X and F-16": Kiev has confirmed the lack of funds for the purchase of new fighters

The purchase of modern foreign 4+ generation fighters to update the existing fleet of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces is impossible due to lack of funds. This was reported by the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.


The Ukrainian military department stated the lack of funds for the planned modernization of the country's air force for 2021-2035. Despite the significant obsolescence of the existing fleet of Su-27, Mig-29, Su-25 and Su-24, the purchase of new aircraft is not included in the defense order, even in the long term.

Due to lack of funds, the purchase of aircraft such as the F-15EX, Saab JAS 39 Gripen or F-16 Block 70/72 is not included in the draft defense order plans even in the long term.

- declared in the Ministry of Defense.

The military department explained that the program for the modernization of the country's air force is estimated at 320 billion hryvnia (in 2020 prices) and goes beyond the funding of the Ministry of Defense, the implementation of the program is impossible given the modern economic opportunities of Ukraine.

Recall that according to the calculations of the Ukrainian media, the number of MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters in service with the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will begin to decline significantly by 2025 with the final decommissioning of the last Soviet-assembled aircraft by 2030.

As part of the renewal of the fleet of fighters, it was proposed to adopt a "modern" fighter. Several options are being considered as the main candidate, but the Swedish Saab JAS-39E / F Gripen and the American F-16 Block 70/72 were called more preferable for the country's Air Force. In total, it was planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.
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  1. Pivot
    Pivot 10 February 2021 13: 05
    +10
    Let them buy quadcopters, that's what they need.
    1. Anatoly 288
      Anatoly 288 10 February 2021 13: 15
      +13
      To buy something you need, you must first sell something unnecessary, and we have no money! - the cat Matroskin looked into the water
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 10 February 2021 13: 45
        +21
        To buy something you need, you must first sell something unnecessary, and we have no money!

        In general, for this phrase, I would have included Matroskin in the list of the greatest economists on the planet. Like Shapoklyak as the greatest philosopher for the thesis "He who helps people is wasting his time. Good deeds cannot be glorified," and Crocodile Gena as a theoretician of revolutions for the paradigm "They have nowhere to play. So they climb where they don't need to." ..
        Imagine - a giant banner, and on it - in profile Matroskin, Shapoklyak and Gena .. However - Soviet cartoons are generally some kind of inexhaustible storehouse of folk wisdom ...
        1. dauria
          dauria 10 February 2021 23: 44
          +2
          ... However, Soviet cartoons are generally some kind of inexhaustible storehouse of folk wisdom ...


          "Believe me, Carlson, happiness is not in pies ..."
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2021 13: 57
        +2
        Quote: Anatoly 288
        To buy something you need, you must first sell something unnecessary, and we have no money! - the cat Matroskin looked into the water

        Uncle Fedor said that.
        1. Anatoly 288
          Anatoly 288 10 February 2021 14: 24
          +1
          Sorry, I forgot
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 14: 09
        +3
        And if you do not roll a barrel with them, then this is already container transportation, it turns out.
      4. petroff
        petroff 10 February 2021 14: 16
        +1
        Absolutely not! The United States prefers to sell it without money ... To impose loans and then dictate their political requirements and conditions. They will give them a dozen planes, which, perhaps, will not fly and will begin to twirl the country as they want.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 15: 51
          +3
          Quote: petroff
          Absolutely not! The United States prefers to sell it without money ... To impose loans and then dictate their political requirements and conditions. They will give them a dozen planes, which, perhaps, will not fly and will begin to twirl the country as they want.

          So they now, without any planes, spin them like a fan in different modes laughing
          Most likely, the mattresses will encourage the "Youngonatists" to get rid of the legacy of the Warsaw Pact and sell Soviet planes to Ukraine for a symbolic price, and use the proceeds to buy American planes and thereby get closer to NATO standards. For the Youngonat people, this is just a theme from the series about Matroskin, which is presented above - "in order to buy what you need, you must first sell the unnecessary."
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 10 February 2021 15: 44
        -2
        Big Romanian-Bulgaria lives in the fraternal family of European nations. why should they f15-16? there are masters for them.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 11 February 2021 15: 20
          0
          big romanian bulgaria lives in a fraternal family of European nations


          Russia ranks 21st in the world in machine tool construction. This is exactly one place behind Romania.

          By the way .... China's trade with Eastern Europe exceeded USD 100 billion, with a positive trade balance in favor of BE. And it's more than China with you. I have not seen a Russian product, except for a tanker in the port, for 30 years. So choose with whom to joke, otherwise you cause laughter.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 11 February 2021 15: 34
            -2
            hell -rai, you determine according to customs reports?

            flag in hand.


            little ripped apart the allies of the Reich. next time to fight - we will not understand each other where to stop at the brothers. We don’t know machines and you can blow up everything that is hot.
            trade is evil for merchants in the Temple.
            stranger.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 11 February 2021 15: 54
              0
              hell -rai, you determine according to customs reports?
              flag in hand.
              little ripped apart the allies of the Reich. next time to fight - we will not understand each other where to stop at the brothers. We don’t know machines and you can blow up everything that is hot.
              trade is evil for merchants in the Temple.
              stranger.


              You are drunk as an insole or you are stupid. laughing
      6. Alien From
        Alien From 10 February 2021 22: 14
        +1
        Today these guys are on fire)
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 10 February 2021 13: 15
      +1
      no money but you hold on ... yes
      1. figwam
        figwam 10 February 2021 13: 53
        +2
        No missiles, no ships, no aircraft ...
      2. lucul
        lucul 10 February 2021 15: 45
        +4
        And how they breathed, how they breathed ...
    3. Cowbra
      Cowbra 10 February 2021 13: 24
      +12
      Not. The answer has long been given:
    4. credo
      credo 10 February 2021 13: 37
      +11
      Quote: Pivot
      Let them buy quadcopters, that's what they need.

      So, once the USSR raised the former Soviet republic from the ruins of the Great Patriotic War, sent there colossal funds, equipment, specialists, rebuilt almost all enterprises from scratch and built new ones, developed agriculture, created science and so on, so on, so on.

      The republic developed and prospered until the nationalists and the unfinished Bandera rabble raised their heads. Then came the 90s of the last century. "Perestroika" began, which ended with the collapse of the USSR, the acquisition of "independence" and the delusional dream of becoming a second Switzerland.

      And now, after the lapse of 30 years, from the moment of gaining that very "independence", what results have Ukraine come to? Until that Switzerland, which dreamed so much of how to fly to the sun for an infinitely long time, because Ukraine as a country now presents a miserable sight, with a ruined economy, education and culture, with mass poverty and the dream of millions to dump from there somewhere far away, because in Ukraine nowadays capitalism with all its "charms".

      And against this background of general "prosperity" in Ukraine, they dream of replenishing their weapons with expensive items for 10 billion US dollars, at a time when the country is in debt like silk and there is no money even for coronavirus vaccines to treat its citizens.

      Well, how can one fail to recall the catch phrase of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia S. Lavrov - "...... .....".
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 10 February 2021 21: 54
        +1
        Quote: credo
        how not to recall the catch phrase of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia S. Lavrov - "...... .....".
        I mean read F-16.NET, great advice
    5. EDWARD
      EDWARD 10 February 2021 14: 57
      0
      let them take in Moldova)
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 February 2021 15: 25
      0
      Quote: Pivot
      Let them buy quadcopters, that's what they need.

      They already have, even a shock version. laughing
    7. frruc
      frruc 10 February 2021 21: 38
      0
      Apparently, in the sky of the outskirts, not their 4+ planes will fly, but NATO ones. They have lost the lands of the people, then they will lose the sky and the sea.
  2. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 10 February 2021 13: 07
    -8
    Reminds of an old Soviet anecdote - an announcement in the accounting department: "There is no money and will not be", but you hold on))))
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 10 February 2021 13: 16
      +7
      It seems that this pearl belongs to Medvedev when he was prime minister ...
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 10 February 2021 13: 23
        +4
        In the United States, it was just the other day repeated by Psaki: they say that oil workers, installers and others who have been left without work can simply find another job, why should the government support the country's oil industry)
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 February 2021 13: 28
        -1
        I heard this anecdote back in the USSR, when they had not heard about Medvedev)))
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 10 February 2021 13: 47
          0
          Apparently - everyone already suspected of his coming ... wink
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      "There is no money and will not be", but you hold on

      I wonder where the money disappeared, is it really against the laws of physics, money can evaporate.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 10 February 2021 14: 07
        +1
        All stolen known to us ...
        Honey - if there is, then it is not immediately available!
        (c) Pooh
        If it decreases somewhere, it arrives somewhere. The main thing is not to confuse places and order ...
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Reminds of an old Soviet joke - an announcement in the accounting department: "There is no money and will not be",

      The cashier went on maternity leave.
    4. kit88
      kit88 10 February 2021 13: 37
      +9
      If there was no money in the Soviet accounting department?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 February 2021 13: 37
        -1
        It was an idiomatic expression))))
    5. gurzuf
      gurzuf 10 February 2021 14: 07
      +3
      Probably in Soviet times you did not receive a salary.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 28
        0
        Quote: gurzuf
        Probably in Soviet times you did not receive a salary.

        In Soviet times, the cashier was a place where friends of the same interests met. Someone thought about a bottle for three, and someone and a restaurant, and what would be a taxi. Well, others went home, and gave all the money to their wife, and in the evening they received "railway" tea with oatmeal cookies. But everyone was happy.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 February 2021 18: 56
        +2
        I didn't have time. I studied in a sailor, the steppe was given out day after day))))
    6. ANB
      ANB 10 February 2021 14: 40
      +4
      ... Reminds of an old Soviet anecdote - an announcement in the accounting department: "There is no money and will not be", but you hold on))))

      I never remember salary delays in Soviet times. It all started under Yeltsin.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 February 2021 18: 58
        0
        Sometimes it happened. In Zaporozhye, at the Kommunar plant, they stole the entire salary of 1,5 million rubles. They detained him for two days until they found him.
        1. ANB
          ANB 10 February 2021 22: 49
          0
          ... Sometimes it happened. In Zaporozhye, at the Kommunar plant, they stole the entire salary of 1,5 million rubles. They detained him for two days until they found him.

          2 days, is this a delay? :)
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 11 February 2021 00: 05
            +1
            In Soviet times, this is very serious. The police were "strained" in full, the deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs arrived.
            1. ANB
              ANB 11 February 2021 01: 01
              +1
              ... In Soviet times, this is very serious. The police were "strained" in full, the deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs arrived.

              In Soviet times, yes. Very seriously. And theft for such an amount and delay in salary for 2 days. And the deputy minister arrived. And no one would vyaknul "no money ....."
              And under Yeltsin, they had already stolen billions of dollars, salaries had not been paid for more than six months. And nobody itched.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 10 February 2021 13: 11
    +4
    "There is no money for the F-15X and F-16":
    and will not ...
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 10 February 2021 13: 29
      +2
      in general, Ukraine's plans look strange
      f-16 block 70/72 is not a cheap car, which is expensive to buy even for Israel and not poor India.
      about the same with flu, although they are cheaper.
      In addition, there is no point in these machines, if you do not use the latest US suspended weapons, for which there are definitely no permits for sale to Ukraine and are not expected. Ie all this listing of aircraft models is complete bullshit and PR.
      If Ukraine really wanted to update their fleet, they would think about completely different cars - decommissioned in Germany, all kinds of alpha-jets, Pakistani cars and others with a humane price tag.
      Yes, even in Japan, they could buy phantoms. Or they could remember about China and Indian Tejas and poke up in South America. In Iran, they could buy American planes and upgrade them.
      but instead loud statements about the latest machines and nothing else.
      If I was thinking about what to replace, then one of the very first options for consideration would be the Chinese j-10 and su-30 MKI with modifications from India or the Russian Federation.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 February 2021 13: 34
        +1
        Yes, no one was going to buy. Variantts is "probed" to steal money on some consulting services and other crap.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 13: 54
        +3
        Quote: yehat2
        If Ukraine really wanted to update their fleet, they would think about completely different cars - decommissioned in Germany, all kinds of alpha-jets, Pakistani cars and others with a humane price tag.

        ME-109, FB-189, "Farman", "Vauzen". In general, it is better to move on bulls
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 10 February 2021 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: yehat2
        If I thought about what to replace,

        Do you suppose that there might be thinking? are there those who can think?
        I have great doubts that ...
      4. NEOZ
        NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 11
        0
        Quote: yehat2
        If I was thinking about what to replace, then one of the very first options for consideration would be the Chinese j-10 and su-30 MKI with modifications from India or the Russian Federation.

        Zh10 has an AL31f manufactured in the Russian Federation ... the end user of the PRC ...
        SU30MK RF license ... end user Republic of India ...
        offer more, consider !!!!
        ps
        only supertukano is suitable for Ukraine ...
      5. NEOZ
        NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 14
        -1
        Quote: yehat2
        in general, Ukraine's plans look strange
        f-16 block 70/72 is not a cheap car, which is expensive to buy even for Israel and not poor India.

        I think that Ukraine could well rely on F16 like Iraqi ... boards, so, on 24 .....
      6. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 February 2021 19: 01
        0
        Quote: yehat2
        would be chinese j-10

        ear right with the Chinese they now have a relationship at altitude.
  4. Andrea
    Andrea 10 February 2021 13: 12
    +2
    fool This is the mentality - d.u.rak gets richer with a dummy. There is no money, but there are plans! laughing
  5. Borz
    Borz 10 February 2021 13: 16
    +3
    I propose ukroVVS to complete with prefabricated scale models. In this case, it will be possible to boast of "stealth" aircraft, strategic bombers, AWACS, etc. There is no limit to perfection! And the budget, you see, will withstand.
    1. Pivot
      Pivot 10 February 2021 13: 20
      +4
      So, at the entrance to Boryspil or Zhulyany, I don't remember a lot of planes, let them tell everyone that they fly, we will say that we believe and everyone will be happy
      1. Black_eagle
        Black_eagle 10 February 2021 13: 24
        0
        This is an aviation museum, by the way, very good
        1. Pivot
          Pivot 10 February 2021 13: 25
          +5
          Yes, I know. This is the legacy of the past. This will not happen anymore.
  6. askort154
    askort154 10 February 2021 13: 18
    +5
    A week ago, with an abundant drinking of vodka, they "developed a plan" - updating aviation until 2035, by purchasing foreign aircraft, and counted as many as 108. And when they overslept, they realized what nonsense they were talking about. crying
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 February 2021 13: 19
    +2
    due to lack of funds
    They profiled by building the most democratic, sovereign state, waving at the Russophobic pack of jackals and at the same time mercilessly stealing. So sell what is left there (the last pants) and ... 72 will not be enough, but you will be with a few of the most, most planes.
  8. Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 February 2021 13: 21
    +3
    Fools! As I said, the best option is to buy written-off, flightless ones from Iraq. The task is not to fly them! And in "meeting NATO standards"! No, they have completely degraded there without training manuals, and the owner put a bolt with a left-hand thread on them since they started a case on the son of the current president to please the former president. So he doesn't send new training manuals.
  9. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 February 2021 13: 23
    0
    As part of the renewal of the fleet of fighters, it was proposed to adopt a "modern" fighter.

    This money may be enough.
    1. boriz
      boriz 10 February 2021 14: 11
      +3
      It's a rarity! Definitely not enough.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 30
        -1
        Quote: boriz
        It's a rarity! Definitely not enough.

        Maybe they were lying around in warehouses in Europe and the United States, they will be given to the starving for cheap.
        1. Poetry
          Poetry 10 February 2021 14: 53
          0
          It will be cheaper for them to purchase lip-rolling devices. good
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 February 2021 16: 36
            +1
            Quote: Poetiszaugla
            It will be cheaper for them to purchase lip-rolling devices.

            Each roll "skoch" construction, that would seal the mouth.
            1. Poetry
              Poetry 10 February 2021 16: 54
              +1
              Staplers are also possible. To "finish". good
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 14: 13
      +3
      And if they buy old corn makers. That still "technique". Yes, and the body is large - you can draw a large trident for the whole body.)
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Yes, and the body is large - a large trident can be drawn over the entire body.

        It is possible without a motor, but with a large trident, and personal names.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 16: 08
          +2
          Right. The engine is not needed here at all. The main thing is the Trident in the whole body and the name of some corrupt getman .. They have a lot of them there .. The choice is there.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 10 February 2021 16: 39
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            The main thing is the Trident in the whole body and the name of some corrupt getman .. They have a lot of them there .. The choice is there.

            Wow, and also Bandera, Melnik, Shukhevych and all the atamans.
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 17: 00
              +1
              Yes. And install a trailer to the maize truck so that it can be transported with a walk-behind tractor along the entire runway. Create the appearance of movement.
  10. demiurg
    demiurg 10 February 2021 13: 23
    0
    If you do not laugh at the desire in the absence of opportunities, then either the Chinese remain, or gray barter in exchange for turbines for the Gorshkovs. In return, take the MiG-29 and Su-27 from the presence (in order to clearly burn and continue broadcasting about the sanctions), with more or less updated avionics.
    F-16s even the ancients will devour the entire MO budget. It's not even worth talking about Grippens and Eagles.
    1. Runway
      Runway 10 February 2021 13: 31
      -1
      Or partner airbases in Ukraine.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 10 February 2021 14: 15
        +2
        Have I seen this somewhere before?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 33
          0
          Quote: Cowbra
          Have I seen this somewhere before?

          Not on the outskirts?
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 19
      -1
      Quote: demiurg
      either the Chinese remain

      no options at all - the Chinese are thrown at 3 billion, the Chinese are equipped with Russian engines.
      Quote: demiurg
      gray barter in exchange for turbines for the Gorshkovs. Instead, take the MiG-29 and Su-27

      not an option, the USA prohibits the supply of turbines ... there are no options ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 16: 46
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        not an option, the USA prohibits the supply of turbines ... there are no options ...

        And there were big reductions in Zorya. After 2014, Zorya - Mashproekt had to purchase Russian equipment for its turbines at exorbitant prices through a number of gasket firms. Most likely, the enterprise, which dates back to 1953, will follow the Nikolaev shipyard.
  11. Voltsky
    Voltsky 10 February 2021 13: 31
    +5
    the agrarian superpower clearly has nothing to do with the Air Force; at least to be an agrarian superpower, you need to have branched transport routes, cheap fuel, serious subsidies for farmers, modern loading terminals and a merchant fleet.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 37
      -1
      Quote: Voletsky
      the agrarian superpower clearly has nothing for the Air Force

      There may be enough money for Khimdym, but not for the Air Force.
    2. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 16: 11
      +1
      it is necessary to have ramified transport routes, cheap fuel, serious subsidies for farmers, modern loading terminals and a merchant fleet.
      Eka you swung ..
      All that you have listed is gone. However, there is the main thing - cheap labor.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 February 2021 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        However, there is the main thing - cheap labor.

        solution found.
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 17: 02
          +1
          Brilliant! Somehow it will be so ..
  12. Black_eagle
    Black_eagle 10 February 2021 13: 32
    0
    108 fighters at a time? This is unrealistic. Will extend the life of existing samples. Fortunately, the plaque is uncritical. The question of spare parts will of course be very serious
    1. petroff
      petroff 10 February 2021 14: 23
      +1
      In reality, they will collect all the trash, even if it is not flying, and "sell it on credit." The main thing is not the state of the equipment, but the availability of a huge loan. Which will be both a pretext and a lever for any political and economic processes. Ukraine will become the official US cash cow, which, if unable to provide milk, will provide meat.
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 10 February 2021 14: 38
      0
      It is very disastrous business to extend the resource beyond the capabilities of the airframe, even if some component parts are partisan in Russia.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 February 2021 13: 35
    +1
    What options will the readers of the VO offer to letakov? Can they generally close the flight school, the sky and ukrovermacht are incompatible concepts! am
    1. Black_eagle
      Black_eagle 10 February 2021 13: 58
      -5
      Well, actually, Ukraine has always been in the first place in terms of the sky. Sikorsky - the first bomber, then the development of the helicopter. Arkhip Lyulka famous engines of the AL brand. He created a two-circuit turbojet engine on which the whole world now flies. Nesterov - aerobatics. The world's first dead loop was made over Kiev. Etc
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 10 February 2021 14: 15
        +2
        Memories only remained, I hope "born to crawl, can not fly" or rather should not, because there is nothing.
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 10 February 2021 14: 15
        +5
        So this is Soviet Ukraine. Under the tsar - father, thank God, there was no Ukraine. And this, as they say in Odessa, is not the same thing.
        1. Black_eagle
          Black_eagle 10 February 2021 15: 05
          0
          Have I just said about the country Ukraine? Call it what you want now. But facts remain facts
      3. HAM
        HAM 10 February 2021 14: 16
        +3
        Well, yes ..... Biden is also a hereditary Ukrainian. No one disputes the merits of these people, but they did not achieve everything ONE ONE ... and there is no need to stick out NATIONALITY here ... ugly ...
      4. VORON538
        VORON538 10 February 2021 14: 19
        +2
        Moreover, all this time it was the territory of Russia, as it were, Russia, at that historical period was called NN! Now Ukraine is under the SGA, and there is no longer a fleet, aviation ... in its last breath, tanks, rockets, the USSR groundwork and the remnants of the same Soviet legacy, and there is no money, and no one is in a hurry to give loans. Is Ukraine so independent without Russia? :)))
      5. Cowbra
        Cowbra 10 February 2021 14: 19
        +6
        Only all of the above is made in the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. Otherwise, according to your logic, Kant is Russian, because he was born in Kaliningrad, and Sharik the dog is a horse. The stable is now always wiping away.
      6. Rubi0
        Rubi0 10 February 2021 14: 31
        +1
        Invalid comparison. Modern Ukraine must be compared with the Galicia of those times, and from there, under the supervision of Polyak, somehow not many prominent figures came out
      7. Stepan S
        Stepan S 10 February 2021 14: 36
        +2
        When all of the above was there, then there was still no trace of Ukraine. The countdown has begun since 1991. This is where successes and advances can be counted.
      8. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 10 February 2021 14: 51
        0
        Quote: Black_eagle
        Well, actually, Ukraine has always been in the first place in terms of the sky.

      9. NEOZ
        NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 29
        +2
        Quote: Black_eagle
        Well, actually, Ukraine has always been in the first place in terms of the sky.

        Ukraine appeared in 1991 .... what Sikorsky ??? what cradle ??? what Nesterov ???
        You would still remember about the great ukrov, who flew over other ukrov, who dug a hole that turned into the Black Sea ...
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 10 February 2021 17: 15
          0
          Ukraine appeared in 1991

          Ukraine as a republic appeared by Lenin's decree in 1924. Before that it was a place of residence in Russia.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 11 February 2021 00: 57
            0
            The USSR was formed in 1922 by a joint decision of the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR and the ZSFSR. The Ukrainian SSR has existed since March 1919, before that there were the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic and the Odessa Soviet Republic.
      10. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 17: 05
        +2
        You have forgotten Kondratyuk. But everyone you listed were citizens of the Russian Empire.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 10 February 2021 14: 41
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      What options will VO readers offer?

      MiG-29 and Su-24
      They need to use the experience of poor Eastern European countries and, to the last, use old Soviet aircraft. Only the Su-24 (m) Ukraine got three bomber divisions, two separate reconnaissance regiments. This is a huge number of aircraft, the local defense minister himself, recently reported Zelensky that the Su-24 can be used to launch cruise missiles. Even one or two squadrons of the Su-24, this is great strength and power. They are constantly modernizing the MiG-29 and, there are a lot of aircraft, you can also create something combat-ready.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 31
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      What options will VO readers offer?

      supertukano and / or F16 a la Iraq in the amount of 24-36 boards. maybe the shock version of the T50 .... no more ...
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 17: 09
        +1
        Look in our museums for the first gliders of A.N. Tupolev. I think it will do, for the forefoot Air Force.
  14. Tagan
    Tagan 10 February 2021 13: 38
    +1
    Quote: Pivot
    Let them buy quadcopters, that's what they need.

    Something went wrong with them with China. Blacklisted on Aliexpress))
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 10 February 2021 15: 34
      +1
      Quote: Tagan
      Something went wrong with him with China

      The Ukrainian media are now in full swing looking for an explanation of the "motorized" demarche of Ukrainian politicians. Up to anecdotal: in particular, that the Chinese actually stole the blueprints of the American F-35 aircraft and were going to produce it at Motor Sich.
      https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3184816.html
  15. Tagan
    Tagan 10 February 2021 13: 40
    +2
    Well, we have smashed another beautiful fairy tale of the species. But they don't despair. They will come up with a new one.
  16. kit88
    kit88 10 February 2021 13: 40
    +11
    I understood!
    This is Russia’s fault! wassat
  17. Timon2155
    Timon2155 10 February 2021 13: 41
    +2
    Tryndet-do not roll bags. Why do they need new planes? What are the goals for them? I can't see them point-blank. Against RF, it's funny, they won't be able to compete. Rather, they will provide airfields for NATO on a rotational basis.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 10 February 2021 13: 56
    +6
    But they have Bandera, so let them fly on it!
    1. HAM
      HAM 10 February 2021 14: 32
      0
      I was always interested in one question: how can a dead person come and put things in order ??? ......
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 10 February 2021 17: 11
        +2
        I was always interested in one question: how can a dead man come and put things in order ???
        Maybe dear US! But only when the country-Ukriya will be in the same place as the deceased-in the next world.
  19. Captan78
    Captan78 10 February 2021 13: 56
    +2
    Full of populism and it is not clear for whom the loud statements of the local politicians are intended to be smashed against the harsh reality ... I think this applies to tanks and self-propelled guns and much more ...
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 33
      -1
      Quote: Captan78
      I think as for this

      everything ... it applies to everything ....
  20. Bradley
    Bradley 10 February 2021 13: 58
    +1
    Could have taken used Falcon (50/52). Even today, the car is at the level, and the price tag will be much lower than 70/72. There are also Chinese with J-10. As an option - to modernize the old Sushki and MiGs, provided that they can. Not to extend the resource, namely to upgrade. We are unlikely to modernize them, so either J-10 or F-16 Block 50/52.
    1. gurzuf
      gurzuf 10 February 2021 14: 17
      +3
      You were obviously joking about the Chinese. Of course, there are Chinese, but not for them.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 10 February 2021 15: 44
        +1
        You were obviously joking about the Chinese. Of course, there are Chinese, but not for them.

        Why not? Ukraine seems to have norms of relations with China.
        1. gurzuf
          gurzuf 10 February 2021 17: 10
          0
          Are Ukrainian sanctions and, in the long term, mirror-like Chinese sanctions normal?
          1. Bradley
            Bradley 10 February 2021 17: 13
            +1
            Are Ukrainian sanctions and, in the long term, mirror-like Chinese sanctions normal?

            And what happened to them there, what caused the fuss?
            1. gurzuf
              gurzuf 10 February 2021 17: 20
              0
              Concern (former) Antonov was not divided. Rather, the Ukrainians took money from the Chinese, but they did not provide the dishonored and imposed sanctions against the opposing Chinese in pursuit. Those were offended.
              1. Bradley
                Bradley 10 February 2021 17: 32
                +2
                Concern (former) Antonov was not divided. Rather, the Ukrainians took money from the Chinese, but they did not provide the dishonored and imposed sanctions against the opposing Chinese in pursuit. Those were offended.

                Ahh, that's it, they threw the Chinese. Then yes, J-10 doesn't shine for them.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 February 2021 15: 39
      -1
      Quote: Bradley
      Could have taken used Falcon (50/52). Even today, the car is at the level, and the price tag will be much lower than 70/72. There are also Chinese with J-10. As an option - to modernize the old Sushki and MiGs, provided that they can. Not to extend the resource, namely to upgrade. We are unlikely to modernize them, so either J-10 or F-16 Block 50/52.

      All this is not free. And they have no money. At all. No matter what.
      1. Bradley
        Bradley 10 February 2021 15: 45
        +1
        All this is not free. And they have no money. At all. No matter what.

        If there is no money at all, then they will have to forget about foreign cars. They will only support Sushki and MiGi, if there is money for them.
  21. svp67
    svp67 10 February 2021 13: 59
    +3
    They won't wait for anything, but the Americans are able to do "military charity". They will soon give a dozen "Falcons" ... so that the Ukrainian Air Force does not completely disappear, and they will pull money for training, repair and maintenance, as it happens with other, previously donated military and other equipment
  22. yehat2
    yehat2 10 February 2021 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    I have great doubts that ...

    most Ukrainians do not live in insanity.
    the problem is different - no one can blather that official ideas are insanity.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 37
      0
      Quote: yehat2
      most Ukrainians do not live in insanity.

      presidential election 2014
      poroshenko 52%
      presidential election 2019
      Zelensky 75%
      .....
      excuse me, but where do Ukrainians live, if not in insanity?
      Quote: yehat2
      the problem is different - no one can blather

      and if they blather, what problems would it solve?
      are you Ukrainian
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 10 February 2021 15: 51
        +1
        Poroshenko was essentially like the lesser evil.
        Ukrainians had high expectations with Zelensky, but as they say, they bought a pig in a poke again.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 10 February 2021 16: 21
          -1
          Quote: yehat2
          Poroshenko was essentially like the lesser evil.
          Ukrainians had high expectations with Zelensky, but as they say, they bought a pig in a poke again.

          those. do you approve of the choice of powder?
          only very narrow-minded people can buy a pig in a poke (play the lottery / casino, on their property) !!!!!!!!
          it turns out that the Ukrainians are senile, who are THEMSELVES to blame in their situation ...
          it's so obvious !!!!!!!!!
  23. boriz
    boriz 10 February 2021 14: 21
    0
    Here is a chic version of a strike aircraft. If they strain, they'll buy a couple of them. They themselves are hardly able to do it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH0-ueiSZA0
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 15: 03
      0
      Quote: boriz
      They themselves are hardly able to do it.

      If you make your own fighter, then you need to invest your money, and buying someone else's, you get a kickback. Yes, and making your plane, you need to work with your hands and head, but it's easier to jump across the Maidan and shout "Muscovites owe us money!"
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 February 2021 14: 24
    +1
    For all their purposes and tasks, UAVs of the level of Bayraktar and Anka will be enough ... ... they will quite master the production of hulls and engines and weapons.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 10 February 2021 15: 38
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      they will quite master the production of hulls and engines and weapons.

      only buildings ....
  25. Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 10 February 2021 14: 25
    -1
    Pay off with black earth. bully
  26. Stepan S
    Stepan S 10 February 2021 14: 33
    0
    In total, it was planned to purchase from 72 to 108 fighters.

    even Napoleon had no such plans. More than a hundred fighters, who will pay for them?
  27. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 10 February 2021 14: 58
    0
    The United States will give money, now the generals from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the president will give it a little bit, and they will receive a couple of F-16 squadrons, maybe not entirely new, but they will.
    1. agoran
      agoran 10 February 2021 20: 41
      0
      No.
      St. is not a bicycle or a car, if you learn to ride one, then you will ride another.
      St. is a complex that includes a lot of things.
      Flight and ITS training, supply of simulators, supply of airfield equipment, weapons.
      Yes, a lot of things that are very expensive, the Anglo-Saxons will not go for it for free.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 11 February 2021 13: 58
        +1
        Jews are given 3,8 billion for weapons every year, and here is a whole project called Anti-Russia.

        They will give as much as necessary.
  28. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 15: 05
    0
    Let them order a flying carpet in Persia. It is not detected by radars. laughing
  29. Tagan
    Tagan 10 February 2021 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: BrTurin
    Quote: Tagan
    Something went wrong with him with China

    The Ukrainian media are now in full swing looking for an explanation of the "motorized" demarche of Ukrainian politicians. Up to anecdotal: in particular, that the Chinese actually stole the blueprints of the American F-35 aircraft and were going to produce it at Motor Sich.
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3184816.html

    So we come to the most interesting thing. Well, it is clear that the ameri are not so stupid and hurried in advance so that later they would not say that the F-35 is a purely Ukrainian development)))
  30. yehat2
    yehat2 10 February 2021 15: 49
    +1
    Quote: NEOZ
    F16 Iraqi type

    Iraq (and Egypt) have complained that these vehicles are very ill-suited to hitting the ground.
    And Ukraine just needs such specialization. So these cars go through the forest
  31. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 10 February 2021 18: 32
    0
    They don't even have money for brains.
  32. Revolver
    Revolver 11 February 2021 00: 58
    0
    They didn't even take a used Canadian F-18 for free. That is, they wanted to take it, but when they found out what the operating costs were, they immediately played back.
  33. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 11 February 2021 10: 54
    0
    already bought in 2020, there is also a video that will be bought in 2021.
  34. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 11 February 2021 10: 59
    0
    F-15 here's another
  35. Vdi73
    Vdi73 11 February 2021 13: 46
    -1
    Where did the pan-headed Banderlogs get the money for new fighters, moreover, for expensive American ones. They are beggars, beggars.