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"There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict": Kiev proposes to include the United States in the negotiations on Donbass

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"There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict": Kiev proposes to include the United States in the negotiations on Donbass

The negotiation process on resolving the situation in Donbass has reached an impasse, in order to reformat it and persuade Moscow to make concessions, the United States and Poland should join the negotiations. Writes about this Ukrainian edition "Telegraph".


According to the Ukrainian military expert Oleg Zhdanov, the likelihood of Poland and the United States joining the negotiations is very high. If they join the negotiations, Russia may be recognized as a party to the conflict under American pressure. In the previous composition of the Normandy quartet, this is not possible, France and Germany do not support this proposal of Ukraine, declaring a civil war.

(...) there are chances to recognize the Russian Federation as a party to the conflict. (...) If the USA and Poland are included in the process, both will stand on the fact that the party to the conflict is the Russian Federation. No militias, militants, army corps of the LDNR. Namely, Russia is an aggressor country

- says the expert.

He is convinced that the United States has a "powerful evidence base", which reflects all the movements of "Russian troops" in the territory of Donbass and, if necessary, the United States "will lay all the cards on the table," thereby "pressing Russia." Under pressure from American "evidence" and sanctions, Russia will try to get out of the negotiation process, while the Biden administration will "methodically finish off" it.

In this case, Russia "will pay for all its actions," Zhdanov emphasizes.

(...) the price will be set by the United States first, and then many other countries. They will remember the Malaysian Boeing, poisoning, occupation and annexation of territories. Many pull up. So ahead - the howl of the Kremlin in the style of the howling dog of the Baskervilles in the swamps

- the expert dreams.

There is only one little thing left - to bring the United States and Poland to the negotiations, and they will fulfill all Kiev's dreams.
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  1. Sergey39
    Sergey39 10 February 2021 11: 54
    +21
    So let them talk to each other.
    1. Clear
      Clear 10 February 2021 12: 03
      +27
      Kiev proposes to include the USA in negotiations on Donbass


      From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full volume: (well, okay, gas, under the contract ...)
      Mineral products (TN VED codes 25-27) - 35,17% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 48,94%);
      Chemical industry products (TN VED codes 28-40) - 20,20% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 16,78%);
      Machinery, equipment and vehicles (TN VED codes 84-90) - 15,09% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 12,42%);
      Food products and agricultural raw materials (TN VED codes 01-24) - 10,70% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 7,05%);
      Metals and metal products (TN VED codes 72-83) - 9,58% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 7,81%);
      Wood and pulp and paper products (TN VED codes 44-49) - 3,86% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 3,26%);
      Textiles and footwear (TN VED codes 50-67) - 1,73% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 1,16%).
      The largest increase in Russian exports to Ukraine in 2019 compared to 2018 was recorded for the following product groups:

      Ores, slag and ash (TN VED code 26) - an increase of USD 104.
      Abbreviated but we supply:
      Mineral fuel, oil and products of their distillation; bituminous substances; mineral waxes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 27) - reduction by USD 2;
      Fertilizers (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 31) - a reduction of USD 145;
      Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; their parts (TN VED code 84) - reduction by 143 US dollars;
      Ferrous metals (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 72) - a reduction of USD 85;
      Inorganic chemistry products; inorganic or organic compounds of precious metals, rare earth metals, radioactive elements or isotopes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 28) - a reduction of US $ 68;
      Plastics and articles thereof (HS code 39) - a reduction of USD 56;
      Electric machines and equipment, their parts; sound recording and reproducing apparatus, apparatus for recording and reproducing television images and sound, their parts and accessories (HS code 85) - a decrease of $ 51;
      Paper and cardboard; articles made of paper pulp, paper or cardboard (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 48) - a reduction of US $ 31;
      Tobacco and industrial tobacco substitutes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 24) - USD 29 reduction
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 10 February 2021 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        Kiev proposes to include the USA in negotiations on Donbass


        From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full volume: (well, okay, gas, under the contract ...)
        Mineral products (TN VED codes 25-27) - 35,17% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 48,94%);
        Chemical industry products (TN VED codes 28-40) - 20,20% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 16,78%);
        Machinery, equipment and vehicles (TN VED codes 84-90) - 15,09% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 12,42%);
        Food products and agricultural raw materials (TN VED codes 01-24) - 10,70% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 7,05%);
        Metals and metal products (TN VED codes 72-83) - 9,58% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 7,81%);
        Wood and pulp and paper products (TN VED codes 44-49) - 3,86% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 3,26%);
        Textiles and footwear (TN VED codes 50-67) - 1,73% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in 2018 - 1,16%).
        The largest increase in Russian exports to Ukraine in 2019 compared to 2018 was recorded for the following product groups:

        Ores, slag and ash (TN VED code 26) - an increase of USD 104.
        Abbreviated but we supply:
        Mineral fuel, oil and products of their distillation; bituminous substances; mineral waxes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 27) - reduction by USD 2;
        Fertilizers (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 31) - a reduction of USD 145;
        Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; their parts (TN VED code 84) - reduction by 143 US dollars;
        Ferrous metals (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 72) - a reduction of USD 85;
        Inorganic chemistry products; inorganic or organic compounds of precious metals, rare earth metals, radioactive elements or isotopes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 28) - a reduction of US $ 68;
        Plastics and articles thereof (HS code 39) - a reduction of USD 56;
        Electric machines and equipment, their parts; sound recording and reproducing apparatus, apparatus for recording and reproducing television images and sound, their parts and accessories (HS code 85) - a decrease of $ 51;
        Paper and cardboard; articles made of paper pulp, paper or cardboard (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 48) - a reduction of US $ 31;
        Tobacco and industrial tobacco substitutes (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 24) - USD 29 reduction

        Right now, you will fly, their crown "And, we are for SHO" belay
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 10 February 2021 12: 15
          +8
          Right now, you will fly, their crown "A, we are for SHO" belay
          Explaining what to shoot yourself in the legs is not very healthy is useless, especially when the goal of the post is to get high ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 10 February 2021 12: 18
            +7
            Quote: Trapp1st
            Right now, you will fly, their crown "A, we are for SHO" belay
            Explaining that shooting yourself in the legs is not very healthy is useless, especially when the goal is fasting get hungry ...

            Don't worry, we'll hype him here.
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 10 February 2021 12: 20
              +3
              the US has a "strong evidence base"

              I remembered the classic ... Terry Pratchett, "Little Gods".
              The work of the Quisition is devoid of even the slightest possibility of error. Suspicion is already evidence.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 10 February 2021 13: 16
                -5
                Quote: Anarchist
                Remembered classic ... Terry Pratchett, Little Gods.

                Dear Alexander! Sorry, but the famous in Great Britain Terry Prachett (in my opinion) cannot be a classic. Such that the works written by him have become canons in world literature.
                Compare with M.A. Sholokhov.
                =================================================
                I have spoken on the topic and will continue to argue: all the thoughts of the state power of Russia should be associated primarily with its own people. I believe that sacrificing the standards of life support of Russian citizens for the sake of the comfort of life of citizens of another state that is pursuing an anti-Russian course in foreign and domestic policy is NOT!
                Correctly asked the question:
                Quote: Clear

                From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full volume: (well, okay, gas, under the contract ...)

                To put someone's mercantile interests above the state is a betrayal of one's own country and people.
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 10 February 2021 20: 14
                  -1
                  It is believed to be fatal.
              2. NDR-791
                NDR-791 10 February 2021 13: 21
                +3
                Suspicion is already evidence.
                Why are you doing that ??? Not tolerant wassat wassat wassat They just take their word for zhentelmen. It was then that the suit rolled good
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 13: 33
          +5
          Quote: Terenin
          From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full volume: (well, okay, gas, under the contract ...)

          Quote: Terenin
          Right now, you will fly, their crown "And, we are for SHO"

          On copper, Russia has included a ban on the purchase of railroad rails, wheelsets for rolling stock and other iron for the needs of Russian Railways from Ukraine. I don’t remember the numbers, but the figures are very serious, in tens of thousands of tons. This is attributed to the fact that Ze closed three allegedly pro-Russian channels. So what is the crown "And we are for the SHO?" there it has been echoing for a couple of days. So it would be better to look at other commodity items so that the juntik would fully feel the moment when the "aggressor" leaves and his "disregard" attitude to the fate of the Independent.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 10 February 2021 14: 09
            -2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            On copper, Russia has included a ban on the purchase of railroad rails, wheelsets for rolling stock and other iron for the needs of Russian Railways from Ukraine

            So everything is already being dragged from China.
            In 2019, Russia will buy up to 800 thousand railway wheels in China due to a deficit
            Due to the shortage of railway wheels in Russia, car builders and operators are certifying products from China. Imports can amount to 800 thousand wheels within three years.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 14: 18
              +6
              Quote: RUSS
              So everything is already being dragged from China.
              In 2019, Russia will buy up to 800 thousand railway wheels in China due to a deficit
              Due to the shortage of railway wheels in Russia, car builders and operators are certifying products from China. Imports can amount to 800 thousand wheels within three years.

              The procedure for changing a supplier is not uncommon, but in this case, given the absence of a sane policy of Ukraine, it is a justified necessity. Considering that the railways of D.Vostok and Siberia will be modernized for increased throughput, the rails from China there will be closer to the place and they do not need to be dragged to the D.Vostok from the same Ukraine.
              1. Brturin
                Brturin 10 February 2021 15: 01
                +1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                The procedure for changing suppliers is not uncommon

                But the old supplier does not demote ... as a result, Russian Railways receives - "The Railway Administration of Ukraine, by telegram dated May 6, 2020, informed about the ban on the acceptance of wagons equipped with solid-rolled wheels manufactured by Maanshan Iron and Steel Co., Ltd (People's Republic of China) on the infrastructure of Ukrainian railways. ) and Taiyuan Heavy Industry Railway Transit Equipment Co., Ltd (People's Republic of China) "https://tass.ru/ekonomika/8470769
                800 thousand ... it is still not clear how much they bought - United Metallurgical Company (OMK) - “This year [production of railway wheels] will be significantly less. In 2021, it will be even lower than 2020. We are now working with a large surplus of capacity and will definitely satisfy all the needs of the [Russian] market. ”In 2019, the company increased the production of railway wheels by 11%, to 951 thousand units. https://finance.rambler.ru/business/45172993/
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 15: 27
                  +3
                  Quote: BrTurin
                  "The Railway Administration of Ukraine, by telegram dated May 6, 2020, informed about the ban on the acceptance of wagons equipped with solid wheels manufactured by Maanshan Iron and Steel Co., Ltd (People's Republic of China) and Taiyuan Heavy Industry Railway Transit Equipment Co., Ltd ( People's Republic of China) "https://tass.ru/ekonomika/8470769

                  How! They are also naughty lol Let them look at their Baltic "brothers-in-arms" who, with their Russophobia, were pushing themselves to sell locomotives, wagons, rails and lay off railway workers. Now the Balts are ready to let wheelsets with any markings and from any manufacturer pass through their railway, just to load the available capacities and, in addition to losses, get a profitability of 0 + 1 euros. yes As for ukraine with its "zaliznitsa" administration, I remember three years ago they wanted to establish a railway connection with China bypassing Russia, sending their railway train on transfer ferries across three seas, eventually reaching the final goal. The train did not return back due to the lack of hryvnia, and now it will become the first monument to the "Ukrainian foolishness" on the territory of the Celestial Empire. I believe that after Ukraine's ban on the maintenance of wagons "equipped with solid wheels manufactured by Maanshan Iron and Steel Co., Ltd (People's Republic of China) and Taiyuan Heavy Industry Railway Transit Equipment Co., Ltd (People's Republic of China)", the Chinese are not particularly eager "trample" Ukrainian rails with their wagons, as well as seeing their wagons in their dead ends. hi
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 10 February 2021 15: 13
                -1
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                then the rails from China there will be closer to the place and they do not need to be dragged to the East from the same Ukraine.

                And where are the Russian rails?))))
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 15: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  then the rails from China there will be closer to the place and they do not need to be dragged to the East from the same Ukraine.

                  And where are the Russian rails?))))

                  Yes, there are also Russian ones. We are not alive by import, we also export something yes .
                  https://zavodfoto.livejournal.com/6172448.html
                  https://exportv.ru/zavod/relsy-ot-proizvoditelya.html
                  https://fabricators.ru/produkt/relsy
      2. Anatoly 288
        Anatoly 288 10 February 2021 12: 18
        +6
        I'll buy a car with a tape recorder, sew a suit with an ebb - and to Yalta!
      3. Rubi0
        Rubi0 10 February 2021 12: 28
        +4
        Delivering something else is okay, this is a plus to the trade balance. Why does the Russian Federation still buy something from Ukraine, Pinchuk sells railway wheels, aristocrats, the same Diesel Show, appear on TV channels. In Ukraine, since 2014, a policy of squeezing out everything has been methodically carried out, and nationalists in supermarkets broadcast labels that the goods were produced in the Russian Federation
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: Rubi0
          Pinchuk sells railway wheels

          Not anymore. A couple of days ago, Pinchuk was shown a fig and a ban was imposed on the purchase of his iron for the needs of Russian Railways.
      4. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 10 February 2021 12: 30
        +1
        If Ukraine buys, why destroy Russian supplier businesses? Money doesn't smell.
      5. credo
        credo 10 February 2021 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full volume: (well, okay, gas, under the contract ...)

        Everything is simple here - Russia makes money on this, supporting its economy.
        It would be much worse if the same European "partners" bought Russian goods at a cheap price, and then resold them at exorbitant prices, like gas, to Ukraine.

        The purchase of various product groups by Ukraine from Russia is also a good kick in the ass for the same Zhdanov, who dreams that the United States and Poland will foaming at the mouth to prove what Ukraine cannot prove. The United States, when necessary, does not even need proof to accuse anyone of all mortal sins according to the "highley like" formula.
      6. Zug
        Zug 10 February 2021 13: 31
        0
        Will we live on sho?
      7. NEOZ
        NEOZ 10 February 2021 14: 36
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        From my side, I suggest that our Government look carefully why Russia, as an "aggressor country", continues to supply Ukraine in full:

        Russian exports to Ukraine in 2019 amounted to USD 6, if the Russian Federation refuses to export this amount, then how many Russians will lose their jobs? 619 billion dollars is a very decent amount !!!!!
        ps
        The USA and the EU really want to oust the Russian Federation from the UA market .... are you an agent of the USA?
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 February 2021 11: 55
    0
    I know this "expert" on Ukrainian broadcasts. "Travels" from one channel to another with a learned rhetoric.
    1. svp67
      svp67 10 February 2021 12: 03
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      "Travels" from one channel to another with a learned rhetoric.

      He does not just "travel", but earns money and there are many of them.
      1. major147
        major147 10 February 2021 13: 05
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        earns money and there are many of them.

    2. venik
      venik 10 February 2021 12: 11
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I know this "expert" on Ukrainian broadcasts. "Travels" from one channel to another with a learned rhetoric.

      ========
      It is clear: Zhdanov - is waiting ..... (that the USA and Poland will join the negotiations) ...... And, as you know - wait although not harmful, but very tiring! In short: "fool - gets rich with a dummy".... fool request
      1. hirurg
        hirurg 10 February 2021 12: 24
        +2
        In this case, Russia "will pay for all its actions."..
        Pay, pay. Only Ukraine. And they will ask Russia, Poland, Hungary ..
        1. stalki
          stalki 10 February 2021 13: 02
          +1
          In this case, Russia "will pay for all its actions."
          Pay, pay. Only Ukraine. And they will ask Russia, Poland, Hungary ..
          Moreover, if we are suddenly entered into this conflict from complete ignorance and without our permission, then we will have no choice but to resolve this conflict once and for all. Only the naive does not understand it lol
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 10 February 2021 15: 23
            0
            Quote: stalki
            In this case, Russia "will pay for all its actions."
            Pay, pay. Only Ukraine. And they will ask Russia, Poland, Hungary ..
            Moreover, if we are suddenly entered into this conflict from complete ignorance and without our permission, then we will have no choice but to resolve this conflict once and for all. Only the naive does not understand it lol

            And let's, to the heap, to ensure the preponderance of the "democratic" countries in the negotiations on the Donbass, we will include the Tribaltika, Canada, Mexico and Australia. And exclude Russia from there. Here the Outskirts will gallop for joy! .... We are then not only recognized as a "party to the conflict" - I'm afraid to even think about how, with the help of the Outskirts, at such "negotiations" they can think of ... collective madness "...
  3. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 10 February 2021 12: 01
    +2
    Kiev has some wet dreams, how will they now seek the favor of the population of eastern Ukraine, neither America nor Poland will be able to influence the opinions of people whose people have killed someone. Proofs, if they had been presented long ago, Boeing is the best example. Another fantasies chatter.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 10 February 2021 12: 14
      +6
      and the Biden administration will "methodically finish off" it.
      Oh, this is very, for Russia it will be shocking, because before that, other administrations of the US presidents sent to Russia exclusively only - packs of cookies and barrels of jam winked
    2. figwam
      figwam 10 February 2021 12: 22
      +3
      He is convinced that the US has a "strong evidence base"

      The United States is to blame for all this, they carried out an armed coup on the outskirts, they conducted a special operation with Boeing, they and Poland, teaching and supplying weapons, help the banderlog kill people in the Donbass, so that no one will talk to NATO members on this issue.
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 February 2021 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: Vadim Ananyin
      Kiev has some wet dreams, how will they now seek the favor of the population of eastern Ukraine, neither America nor Poland will be able to influence the opinions of people whose people have killed someone. Proofs, if they had been presented long ago, Boeing is the best example. Another fantasies chatter.

      Who is interested in svidoukrov opinion of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine! They wanted to spit on the whole southeast!
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Vadim Ananyin
      Well, how will they now seek the favor of the population of eastern Ukraine, neither America nor Poland will be able to influence the opinions of people who have killed someone.

      By supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine, which they have been doing for a long time. Peacekeepers "Yakim Romanovich" - nothing to take.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 February 2021 12: 02
    +1
    ... to persuade Moscow to make concessions, the United States and Poland should join the negotiations ... there are chances to recognize the Russian Federation as a party to the conflict
    They walk broadly, look far away, but the trousers are already cracking from such "steps". They hope that with the possible involvement of the United States and Russophobic Poland, Russia will generally refuse to talk to them and then try to turn the dream into reality - Russia is a party to the conflict. But Russia will always have a key with a screwdriver for something supposedly "tricky". To be honest, this banderostan has already reached the kidneys. It is high time to completely cut off all economic relations and recall your diplomats, since this is only to the detriment of us, and diplomats are only present.
  5. svp67
    svp67 10 February 2021 12: 04
    +1
    And here I am "FOR" that the US would join the negotiation process, according to the US-Russia formula, and here let them decide what to do and with whom, since there are plenty of questions between our countries and not only in Ukraine
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      And here I am "FOR" that the US would join the negotiation process, according to the US-Russia formula, and here let them decide what to do and with whom, since there are plenty of questions between our countries and not only in Ukraine

      The United States has no continental relationship to Europe, and therefore in this format, as a "decision maker", they do not seem to be able to do anything, except in the status of an observer.
      And "ukroEkperdam" would not be bad to recall the bitter experience of Japan in resolving the dispute with the USSR over the Kuril Islands, when, through the mediation of mattresses that intervened in the process of preparing the treaty, they changed the almost ready-made solution from the 2x2 option (two islands of the USSR, two islands of Japan), into the version of "fuck you" and the translation of the theme of returning the islands into an eternal illusion and a pipe dream of Japan.
  6. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 10 February 2021 12: 06
    +10
    There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict
    The worst option for Ukraine is if Russia becomes a real party to the conflict.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 10 February 2021 12: 20
      +7
      Quote: Trapp1st
      There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict
      The worst option for Ukraine is if Russia becomes a real party to the conflict.

      This is what we need to warn them about. In this case, we will provide Donbass with any assistance we deem necessary and then let them feel the difference. But then the United States should also be recognized as a party to the conflict, since they supply weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, share intelligence, and their instructors train the Ukrainian military.
    2. Voltsky
      Voltsky 10 February 2021 12: 23
      +2
      Yes, then you will have to decide the issue of Aggression, who won and the contributions to the winning side.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 10 February 2021 12: 37
        +1
        Quote: Voletsky
        Yes, then you will have to decide the issue of Aggression, who won and the contributions to the winning side.

        So the issue of aggression has been on the agenda of Ukraine for so long. If you noticed, we have been accused of this for the seventh year.
        1. Voltsky
          Voltsky 10 February 2021 12: 45
          +1
          well, when the citizens of one state begin to beat each other in the face because of the difference in political views - this is called civil confrontation; we observed this in Kharkov, and very strongly in Odessa.
          And the fact that in this situation the neighbors are connected and revived, this is normal - Turkey to Syria, Egypt / Turkey - Lebanon, RF / EU countries - Ukraine. That is, if you start smashing your hut, pouring gasoline around everything, beat your wife and children, you should not be surprised if a neighbor comes in and tries to take out a still intact TV or refrigerator.
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 10 February 2021 12: 55
            0
            Well, if the neighbor is not afraid to rake, then of course he will come.
            1. Voltsky
              Voltsky 10 February 2021 13: 00
              +1
              Let's remember the beginning of the 20th century, and multiple interventions on the territory of the former Russian Empire, they left for a long time and with exported wealth.
              Well, or Syria if you are unfamiliar with the history of the early 20th century; whole factories with museums were exported to Turkey and the company.
              In the case of Ukraine, only land, namely access to the sea and a number of minerals, remained of the assets.
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 10 February 2021 14: 46
      +1
      If the Russian Federation liberates this territory, then it will be necessary to feed this stupid greedy lazy contingent again, I would not be surprised if one of the main goals is to hang this territory around the neck of Russia.
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 February 2021 22: 12
        0
        In the sense of freeing ?!
        My dear friend, this is the occupation of what you are talking about, and at least 30% of the population, if not more, will be against Russian intervention in their internal conflict. So you can strictly free the toilet seat from the toilet; everything else counts as intervention. The maximum that the Russian Federation can afford within the framework of what is permitted under international law, and then with reservations, that you will still be considered an aggressor, because some people had views on the whole of Ukraine - this is a number of areas where your influence is solid and will enjoy the support of the population are the eastern regions.
  7. Ka-52
    Ka-52 10 February 2021 12: 08
    +5
    If they join the negotiations, Russia can be recognized as a party to the conflict under pressure from the Americans.

    No militias, militants, army corps of the LDNR. Namely, Russia is an aggressor country

    well, from this point of view, you can attract the United States itself as a side Syrian conflict. No slippers from Nusra with akhtamats - it is the USA that is a strange aggressor.
  8. Terenin
    Terenin 10 February 2021 12: 16
    +5
    According to the Ukrainian military expert Oleg Zhdanov, the likelihood of Poland and the United States joining the talks is very high.


    Oh, well, Zhdanov, or his representatives here, the facts of these probabilities to the studio
  9. S. Smirnov
    S. Smirnov 10 February 2021 12: 17
    +6
    If they join the negotiations, Russia can be recognized as a party to the conflict under pressure from the Americans

    First, recognize the United States as a party to the conflict and make them responsible for the murder of Ukrainian citizens.
  10. Voltsky
    Voltsky 10 February 2021 12: 19
    +5
    Ukraine can invite anyone, even the tighter superpower Mozambique; But here is the case for France and Germany, as if the participation of the SGA in this get-together did not fall, because in this case their political weight will tend to 0, and the valiant gentry pisses them off almost as much as Russia.
    Well, in this case, the Russian Federation will react as in a joke about cops "and how many of you are there?! 2 !!, well, talk to each other"
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 10 February 2021 12: 20
    +5
    Hey-hey. And the downside is that any shelling of Novorossia will be considered an attack on the side of the conflict - Russia? Well then, this is amba for the Sumerians, and objective amba is an attack. And then the reflection of aggression.
    1. major147
      major147 10 February 2021 13: 12
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Hey-hey. And the downside is that any shelling of Novorossia will be considered an attack on the side of the conflict - Russia? Well then, this is amba for the Sumerians, and objective amba is an attack. And then the reflection of aggression.

      Moreover, there are more and more Russian citizens there ...
  12. cniza
    cniza 10 February 2021 12: 29
    +2
    He is convinced that the United States has a "powerful evidence base", which reflects all the movements of "Russian troops" in the territory of Donbass and, if necessary, the United States "will lay all the cards on the table," thereby "pressing Russia."


    If they had it, they would have posted everything long ago, but for now they are making bad fakes ...
  13. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 10 February 2021 12: 34
    +3
    US aggression against Russia by the hands of fools and traitors. This will sound more true, the rest is not important. For this reason, this war will not end until Ukraine returns to Russia as a whole.
  14. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 10 February 2021 12: 37
    +1
    There is only one little thing left - to bring the United States and Poland to the negotiations, and they will fulfill all Kiev's dreams.

    It remains only to "pull up your pants to the beard."
  15. Growlers
    Growlers 10 February 2021 12: 48
    +6
    "Master, master" call him, he will come and show you! This is the only way to assess attempts to include the United States in the negotiations on the Donbass
  16. Alexander Zima
    Alexander Zima 10 February 2021 12: 57
    0
    The train left a long time ago and the latecomers are all rushing about the platform, expecting that the driver will backtrack ... now they can connect even the Martians to the negotiations ... but the conductor will not press the brakes.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 12: 57
    0
    Since when did the defendant begin to choose judges, and even invite from outside?
  18. major147
    major147 10 February 2021 13: 02
    +1
    So ahead - the howl of the Kremlin in the style of the howling dog of the Baskervilles in the swamps
    - the expert dreams.


    Oh, these're coming out of science fiction lol
  19. Borz
    Borz 10 February 2021 13: 11
    0
    Wet dreams, distorted reality of what is happening. I especially liked about Poland. Even those "peacemakers". The United States relies on military might in solving various foreign policy problems. And what psh ... are the Poles counting on? Do they have some kind of authority? Didn't hear. Comparison of Poland and Ukraine with jackals is very welcome. And the phrase "Ukrainian military expert" generally sounds enchanting. I remember that these subchikas were "tested" for several boilers in 2014-2015.
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 10 February 2021 14: 24
      0
      So they were selected not on the basis of peacekeeping, but on the principle of more Russophobes
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 10 February 2021 13: 14
    +1
    "There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict": Kiev proposes to include the United States in the negotiations on Donbass

    Wanting is not harmful ... although, in their case, it will probably be fatal.
    1. cniza
      cniza 10 February 2021 13: 32
      +4
      Their owners come from far away, prepare a base for future generations, and work very thoroughly:

      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 February 2021 14: 03
        +1
        It did not work out with a swoop, they will, they will press by any other methods for what they need.
        1. cniza
          cniza 10 February 2021 14: 18
          +2
          It's a shame to waste energy on this. it would be better to create something, but they won't let you live in peace ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 10 February 2021 14: 47
            +1
            Yes, we only dream about peace.
            1. cniza
              cniza 10 February 2021 15: 40
              +2
              But the issue must be resolved, but the United States, and even more so Poland, has no place in this process ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 10 February 2021 15: 47
                +1
                So there is no particular process ... unfortunately.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 10 February 2021 16: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  So there is no particular process ... unfortunately.


                  For now, yes, but it will inevitably be, such is life ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 10 February 2021 18: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: cniza
                    but it will inevitably be

                    That will inevitably be ... it will be, but we DO NOT NEED surprises! Keep under control.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 10 February 2021 20: 45
                      +2
                      There is no need for surprises, only without us no one will solve this problem, whether we want it or not ...
  21. Paphnutius the Unforgettable
    Paphnutius the Unforgettable 10 February 2021 13: 19
    0
    Is this the Zhdanov who told how the Ukrainian DRGs blew up several Iskander missiles on the territory of the DPR?
    This one won't lie! Said will be the United States and the Poles! So they will! After all, the Americans have such a "evidence base" that Putin will immediately capitulate!
  22. bad
    bad 10 February 2021 13: 21
    +13
    Writes about this Ukrainian edition "Telegraph"

    Again this Telegraph, cut off from reality ...
  23. anjey
    anjey 10 February 2021 13: 30
    +1
    There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict ": Kiev proposes to include the USA in the negotiations on Donbass
    Puppet fools, this statement once again emphasized that behind all this chaos in Ukraine is the United States, with its geopolitical, already unhealthy and inflated appetite laughing
  24. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 10 February 2021 13: 42
    0
    and there is another option to stop the supply of electricity to Ukraine from Russia and Belarus
    probably cold и darkness in the cities of Ukraine the best tool for the mind
    & - the water in Crimea was blocked and they laugh above us
    1. Jcvai
      Jcvai 10 February 2021 14: 14
      0
      It is enough to make all interaction strictly only through the territories and budgets of the DPR and LPR, so that cargo, money and passenger flows depend on the goodwill of those who are being shot at. At the same time, the budgets of the republics will replenish
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 10 February 2021 14: 44
        0
        as it already exists, Gazprom is already dismantling the pipes, only gas transit through the LPNR will be left
  25. Piramidon
    Piramidon 10 February 2021 13: 45
    0
    "There are chances to recognize Russia as a party to the conflict"

    Dreams and wishes of a wide expert. No more
  26. SVD68
    SVD68 10 February 2021 13: 57
    +1
    The US was looking for fools who, instead of the US, would fight Russia. Found the Ukrainians.
    Now do the Ukrainians want the Americans to fight Russia instead?
  27. APASUS
    APASUS 10 February 2021 14: 01
    0
    Ukrainian leaders dream of how the Americans will do all the dirty work?
  28. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 10 February 2021 14: 01
    0
    Kiev proposes to include the USA in negotiations on Donbass

    The tail wags the dog.
  29. zenion
    zenion 10 February 2021 14: 23
    0
    Since there are Russian troops in Syria, and India is already not far there, it must be admitted that Russia has captured the entire East and uses, of course, forces the inhabitants of the captured countries to provide support, if not with tanks and aircraft, then with the most terrible weapon, elephants dressed in impenetrable armor ... These elephants turned all Ukrainian tanks upside down, which made the crew unable to leave the tank (they were also afraid) and they had to die. The Ukrainian troops can only be helped by special trainers of the American army. Horror, then what!
  30. Sergey Evgen
    Sergey Evgen 10 February 2021 15: 18
    0
    And where does the USA belong to Khokhlostan? Ukrainians were shouting about the most powerful army in Europe, and they themselves were already done with only one news about the transfer of combat helicopters of the RF Armed Forces to the borders of Ukraine. They will give them morons decommissioned weapons and send these horses to the slaughter., do not forget that those citizens who you are trying to win there -Russian passports. And this is not just a piece of paper - "THIS IS ARMOR"
  31. BAI
    BAI 10 February 2021 15: 37
    0
    .
    the United States and Poland should join the talks.

    Poland is needed there as a gonorrhea. She has nothing to do with this case. And the United States must be included. They have brewed everything and are in command of Ukraine. As they say, Ukraine will do so. But at the same time, Ukraine must be excluded from the process, since it does not solve anything, but only blindly follows the instructions of the United States. Or include the LDNR as a negotiator.
  32. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 10 February 2021 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: stalki
    In this case, Russia "will pay for all its actions."
    Pay, pay. Only Ukraine. And they will ask Russia, Poland, Hungary ..
    Moreover, if we are suddenly entered into this conflict from complete ignorance and without our permission, then we will have no choice but to resolve this conflict once and for all. Only the naive does not understand it lol

    And let's, to the heap, to ensure the preponderance of the "democratic" countries in the negotiations on the Donbass, we will include the Tribaltika, Canada, Mexico and Australia. And exclude Russia from there. Here the Outskirts will gallop for joy! .... We are then not only recognized as a "party to the conflict" - I'm afraid to even think about how, with the help of the Outskirts, at such "negotiations" they can think of ... collective madness "...

    I wonder why it was in Ukraine that they decided that the United States would be admitted to the negotiation process on Donbass? Indeed, such an assumption requires the consent of those who are already participating in the negotiation process, incl. consent of Russia. But Russia will not agree to this.
    And then, only neighboring countries should participate in the negotiation process. Then why are the Germans and the French sitting in the negotiations? Is this their dog business? Then let us include the DPRK in the process.
  33. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 10 February 2021 20: 43
    0
    the price will be set first by the United States, and then by many other countries.
    expert dreams

    Omeriga with them, who ...
  34. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 10 February 2021 20: 45
    +1
    ... "to persuade Moscow to make concessions, the United States should join the negotiations"
    In this case, USA is also officially declared a participant in the conflict. Or where ?!
    And the question immediately arises - who started? For what purpose did you start? What didn’t live?
    However, I am at a loss that our overseas partners are interested in such formulations of the question ...
    And even taking them out for everyone to see.
  35. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 10 February 2021 23: 32
    -1
    Let's also the Poles
    we recognize the side of the conflict.
    Or Moldovans.
    Both those and others with a hand stagger around the world,
    so that they will not lose.
  36. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 11 February 2021 00: 29
    0
    the USA and Poland should join the negotiations


    Not to negotiations, but as a party to the conflict. And they should be responsible for their crimes. As well as Sumeria.