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It's getting hot in Donbass

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Is the knot tightening?



Ukrainian politicians started talking seriously about the end of the "indefinite" ceasefire, which lasted more than six months with reservations (from July 27). Arsen Avakov, Leonid Kravchuk and other personalities put pressure on the "president of the world" Zelensky, while simultaneously calling for the denunciation of the Minsk agreements, in particular, through the adoption of a law on the reintegration of the "temporarily occupied" territories, developed by the relevant ministry.

Indeed, in Kiev they sleep and see how to get around the impracticable paragraphs of Minsk. Better yet, expand the Normandy group by including the United States (and for some reason Poland). However, the position of the Russian Federation on these issues remains firm. In this connection, the only trump card in the hands of Kiev is the escalation of the conflict.

It has really become noisy again on the contact line recently. Sniper groups are working, rifle weapon, various modifications of grenade launchers and mortars. Recently, both sides have returned to the use of large calibers - almost every day Donetsk and Kiev accuse each other of using 120-mm mortars. Kiev regularly accuses LDNR of remote mining of positions occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

It is worth noting that the corresponding messages appear symmetrically. This suggests that now the defenders of Donbass are responding to the enemy's provocations more or less adequately and in a timely manner.

The OSCE SMM has recently reported on the movements of the Ukrainian Armed Forces equipment.

So, not far from Kramatorsk, observers found a Buk air defense system. On February 2, the OSCE reported that 17 Akatsia self-propelled howitzers (18 mm) were found 152 km from the demarcation line.

Also, in recent days, the OSCE discovered the disappearance of 25 Ukrainian tanks T-64. Found at the Krasnoarmeysk railway station five Strela-10 air defense systems based on MT-LB and five MT-12 Rapira anti-tank guns, two Shturm-S missile systems and six Hyacinth towed howitzers.

Possible scenarios


It should be recognized that reports that Kiev is pulling (or moving) equipment have been coming regularly over the past years. That is, now we can talk both about the next rotation or preparation for the exercises, and about the concentration of forces with their subsequent use either for remote shelling of the positions of the NM LDNR or civilian development, or even for an attempt to break through in a particular area (thin places in area of ​​Donetsk is enough).

Indeed, given the growth of protest sentiments and the growing socio-economic problems of Ukraine, Kiev could be profitable, regardless of losses, to arrange another massacre.

It is extremely doubtful that we can talk about a large-scale offensive - there are no prerequisites for the success of such an adventure.

At the same time, a local operation would be convenient for Kiev, whatever its outcome. If you manage to take some settlement, there will be jubilation and an increase in ratings (and at the same time reconnaissance in force will be carried out - to what extent the People's Militia is ready and capable of responding to such escapades).

In the event of a failure of the operation, there will be a reason for all-Ukrainian mourning, further accusations of the Russian Federation of aggression and lamentations against the United States and the EU with requests for help (preferably financial).

Maybe Kiev will even try to play the card of withdrawal from the Minsk agreements in this way.

At the same time, do not forget that the time period for the Armed Forces of Ukraine is relatively narrow - in a few weeks there will be a thaw, and the steppes will become impassable, so that the "blitzkrieg" will take place either in the coming days or will be postponed for at least several months until dry weather will not be established.

Frankly, the most likely seems to be a return to the active use of heavy artillery on the demarcation line, without attempting to advance.

This method of pressure on the LPNR and Moscow was actively used from the first days of Zelensky's accession.

At the same time, it is worth noting that this time, most likely, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well face a full-fledged and adequate response.

Meanwhile…


In the LPR, meanwhile, they are seriously preparing for the first draft.

It should be admitted that most of all this topic worries not local residents, but Ukrainian media and network patriots. Considering that Donetsk and Lugansk have repeatedly promised that conscription will take place far from the front line, this decision looks reasonable and is perceived relatively calmly.

At the same time, a number of questions remain open.

For example, how will the passage of military service in the LPNR affect the need to serve when moving to Russia? Will there be any benefits (for example, when entering universities) for demobels? Will numerous representatives of government social movements, as well as children of the nomenklatura, wear a tarpaulin? Or will this prerogative only apply to mere mortals?

Of the positive News.

The People's Militia continues to expect a systematic vaccination campaign against COVID-19, but no one has named the exact dates yet.

At the same time, in Donetsk, the first certificates of combatants were issued - an event that has been expected over the past five years.

I would like to believe that this measure will help not only "legalize" the status of the militia, but will also support all those who suffered in the early days of the war. And the relatives of the dead defenders of Donbass.

It is still unknown whether the corresponding norms will be introduced in the LPR.
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  1. Terenin
    Terenin 11 February 2021 11: 03
    +21
    It's getting hot in Donbass

    Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which, unfortunately, will end with casualties on both sides, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons.
    1. avg
      avg 11 February 2021 11: 17
      +6
      Quote: Terenin
      Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which, unfortunately, will end with casualties on both sides, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons.

      At first glance, I do not seem to be on the topic, but why not prevent "these bad people" from blocking ALL deliveries, taking advantage of the appropriate weather in Ukraine. And to all the screams, remind of the blown up power lines and water in the Crimea. I think on the second day the Ukrainian Armed Forces will return to their original positions.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 11 February 2021 11: 20
        +12
        Quote: avg
        Quote: Terenin
        Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which, unfortunately, will end with casualties on both sides, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons.

        At first glance, I do not seem to be on the topic, but why not block "these bad people" ALL deliveries taking advantage of the appropriate weather in Ukraine. And all the cries remind of the water in the Crimea.

        I, for a long time for it! hi It is useless for a gangster in a gateway to culturally explain ... the elements of higher mathematics
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 February 2021 13: 15
          0
          Quote: Terenin
          Quote: avg
          Quote: Terenin
          Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which, unfortunately, will end with casualties on both sides, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons.

          At first glance, I do not seem to be on the topic, but why not block "these bad people" ALL deliveries taking advantage of the appropriate weather in Ukraine. And all the cries remind of the water in the Crimea.

          I, for a long time for it! hi It is useless for a gangster in a gateway to culturally explain ... the elements of higher mathematics

          War is war and business is business
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 11 February 2021 20: 49
            +3
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Quote: Terenin
            Quote: avg
            Quote: Terenin
            Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which, unfortunately, will end with casualties on both sides, to the delight of the Anglo-Saxons.

            At first glance, I do not seem to be on the topic, but why not block "these bad people" ALL deliveries taking advantage of the appropriate weather in Ukraine. And all the cries remind of the water in the Crimea.

            I, for a long time for it! hi It is useless for a gangster in a gateway to culturally explain ... the elements of higher mathematics

            War is war and business is business

            Moreover, war develops many types of business.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 February 2021 12: 07
        -2
        Quote: avg
        ALL deliveries ....

        and guest workers to their homeland
      3. A_Lex
        A_Lex 11 February 2021 12: 33
        +6
        why not prevent "these bad people" from blocking ALL deliveries


        Well, you understand that a state that exists to satisfy the wishes of "businessmen" cannot make such sacrifices.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 11 February 2021 12: 53
          +4
          The Ministry of Agriculture has applied for permission to hire Gaster. I don’t know how in other regions, but here in the Kuban seasonal gaster has not been used for a long time, although it used to be. And on the subject, yes, just from the world in the Donbass there are no goodies. Here is the result. Even from such a "world"
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 11 February 2021 13: 00
            +1
            The policy of this state is hostage to the wishes of a handful of private traders, whose strategic initiative is to hang out beautifully in Milan. As long as this is the case, a mess is inevitable.
      4. DmSol
        DmSol 12 February 2021 13: 28
        -1
        Lord overlaps, please tell me whether the population of Crimea has become more loyal to the Kiev authorities after the water blockade? Maybe rallies have begun with the slogans "Back to Ukraine"? With all these "overlaps" you will cause only one reaction - hatred towards Russia. The final severing of economic ties is what our "friends" are trying to achieve from us. So that after a drop in the standard of living of an ordinary hard worker, one can safely point a finger towards the Kremlin.
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 11 February 2021 11: 22
      +7
      Quote: Terenin

      Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine

      Not a gamble .. An old trick .. nothing strengthens power like a victorious war .. in this case, there is no need for war, there is enough visibility .., but the people will have something to distract themselves from payments for communal services and dying infrastructure ..
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 11 February 2021 11: 24
        +8
        Quote: dvina71
        people will have something to distract from utility bills and dying infrastructure ..

        This is closer to the truth. It will distract you for a while.
      2. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 12 February 2021 07: 33
        +2
        It seems that the beginning of this activity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will entail not only provocations and shelling, but real and guaranteed attempts to decisively move the front line. It is necessary to take into account the latest enthusiasm of the Turkish Bayraktar and the tactics of the Turks and Azerbaijanis in Karabakh, using also Israeli-made homing shells.
        Since Ze allowed the recruitment and participation of foreign mercenaries in the army, we are waiting for the bayraktars, their operators and the special forces of the Turks (for teaching Karabakh tactics, even though there are no such mountains and rough terrain in the Donbas).
        On the relatively flat terrain of the LDNR, the Bayraktars, in the absence of adequate air defense, will take their harvest from the equipment and positions of the LDNR.
        The only way out:
        1. Or bring in Russian troops as peacekeepers, which will not happen, since Ukraine is against.
        2. Conducting an operation to enforce peace - which is in question and is unlikely to take place (otherwise it would have taken place in 14-15).
        3. Either the "North Wind" and the mass death of all UAVs from Ukraine from electronic countermeasures, or from the strengthening of air defense systems. Moreover, the equipment of the LDNR positions with light and heavy modern weapons, portable electronic warfare.
      3. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 12 February 2021 09: 53
        -5
        Does it resemble anything in Russian politics?
    3. Plate
      Plate 11 February 2021 20: 00
      0
      Another adventure of the Bandera government of Ukraine, which

      Which, I suspect, will not take place again. There has already been news several times in the last 2 years that Ukrainian troops are moving there, walking, sometimes shooting. But nothing big happened. So there is reason to think that it will not happen this time either.
  2. Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 February 2021 11: 08
    +10
    Information from Donetsk is relevant here.
    https://donrf.livejournal.com/972092.html?utm_source=vksharing&utm_medium=social
    - “In the LPR, a commission from the Russian Federation checks the supply and combat readiness of the army. You need to understand where the money goes.
    And then bad luck, the army is not that it is not ready to fight, but simply it can be smashed by a platoon of drunken dill.
    About 80% of the vehicles are not on the move.
    It was reported to Moscow at the highest level that it is time to change something with the local curators, otherwise, in the event of some real threat, the border may no longer help "-
    I think it is an exaggeration, and he himself speaks of this, but the general meaning is correct - without the direct intervention of the Russian Federation, the defense in Donbass will collapse quickly.
    The only question is the moment when the order from the United States was issued for the offensive.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 February 2021 11: 12
      +5
      I think it is an exaggeration, and he himself speaks of this, but the general meaning is correct - without the direct intervention of the Russian Federation, the defense in Donbass will collapse quickly.
      Do you think this is what confirms the author's message ??: it is worth noting that this time, most likely, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well face a full-fledged and adequate response.
      I think that in order to motivate ours, there must be either a real and adequate appeal from the LPNR authorities for military assistance or an analogue of the "radio station in Gleiwitz"
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 11 February 2021 11: 34
        +13
        Quote: NDR-791
        I think that in order to motivate ours, there must be either a real and adequate appeal from the LPNR authorities for military assistance

        an interesting option for a civil war in a foreign state.
        I believe that the opposing side can also request assistance from any other state. Isn't that logical?
        Quote: NDR-791
        ... or an analogue of the "radio station in Gleiwitz"

        Those. do-it-yourself provocation to war: according to logic, our military should shoot the fighters of the LPNR? It's beyond comprehension request
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 11 February 2021 11: 44
          +8
          I believe that the opposing side can also request assistance from any other state.
          I said this to the fact that I do not see other options in which we will participate in the database. Moreover, the author is somehow sure of this. I see all the negative aspects of such interference perfectly well. So I completely agree with you.
          Those. do-it-yourself provocation to war: according to logic, our military should shoot the fighters of the LPNR?
          No not like this! Not your own! Namely kaklovsky and for us !!! They know perfectly well that we will not go to Lviv, and they may well try to run a little from us across the steppe. If only to draw us in and then invite others to the slaughter.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 February 2021 11: 55
            +15
            Quote: NDR-791
            No not like this! Not your own! Namely kaklovsky and for us !!!

            they are not fools! It is more interesting and profitable for them - on the contrary, and precisely in order to ...
            Quote: NDR-791
            ... to drag us in and then invite others to the slaughter.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 11 February 2021 12: 03
              +5
              they are not fools! It is more interesting and profitable for them - on the contrary
              Anyway with our This is unacceptable and not necessary from the word at all. But they certainly do not mind putting ten thousand of their own for such a purpose. Well, I’m saying that I don’t see an option in which we will enter this omelet. And the number of issued Russian passports does not allow intervening "without questions." Therefore, I don't understand where the author is so confident: this time, most likely, the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well face a full-fledged and adequate "response"
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 11 February 2021 12: 44
            +4
            Quote: NDR-791
            they can run a little from us across the steppe
            Take it wider - on the controlled territory.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: NDR-791
        I think that in order to motivate ours, there must be either a real and adequate appeal from the LPNR authorities for military assistance

        The LDNR has no subjectivity. The Russian Federation recognizes this territory as Ukraine, emphasizing every time that the decision lies exclusively in the sovereign field of this state. With the threat of a humanitarian catastrophe in the Donbass, the Russian Federation can only intervene with a UN mandate at the ready and as part of a coalition. This, of course, will not come to that. And I don't quite understand the analogy with the "Gleiwitz incident" - who should provoke whom? Russia Ukraine, Ukraine itself, Ukraine Russia or what?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 00
          +16
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          And I don't quite understand the analogy with the "Gleiwitz incident" - who should provoke whom? Russia Ukraine, Ukraine itself, Ukraine Russia or what?

          in principle, this cannot be, since the confrontation has dragged on, it is hopeless and everyone is tired of it. The solution is in the USA. Russia cannot independently solve this problem in the same way as legally send troops into the territory of Ukraine. This carries serious risks both in politics (membership in the UN Security Council) and economy (new sanctions and the oil embargo).
          In principle, the problem today is insoluble.
        2. A_Lex
          A_Lex 11 February 2021 12: 38
          +13
          The Russian Federation can only intervene with a UN mandate at the ready and as part of a coalition


          If the Russian Federation definitely needs a UN mandate, then it itself has no subjectivity. Because in modern reality, the UN mandate is a filkin letter, and whoever wants to spit on it from a high bell tower, like Israel or France, in that part of Africa that he considers his own.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 41
            +16
            Quote: A_Lex
            in modern reality, the UN mandate is a filkin letter

            filkin or not filkin, but literacy
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 11 February 2021 12: 47
              +12
              filkin or not filkin, but literacy


              "Diploma" for someone who needs a reason explaining inaction. Whoever wants to do, he who does not want to, he hides behind "international law", which of course no one ever violates.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 16
                +24
                Quote: A_Lex
                He who wants to do, he who does not want to, he hides behind "international law"

                forgot to add - "and he won't get anything for it"
                1. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 11 February 2021 13: 20
                  +3
                  he won't get anything for it


                  because he has a mind that allows him to make intelligent decisions, and eggs to defend them. And if someone does not want to strain, but simply lie under the world hegemon, legs apart, and all for the sake of a beautiful and serene hangout in Milan, then there is nothing to complain about.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 31
                    +18
                    Quote: A_Lex
                    because he has a mind that allows him to make intelligent decisions, and eggs to defend them.

                    and power! Economy! The strength of the country is primarily in the economy request
                    1. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 11 February 2021 13: 35
                      +3
                      The strength of the country is primarily in the economy


                      The strength of the country lies in the wisdom of the leadership, which cares about the development of the entire country and the quality life of every citizen, and not about filling the pockets of themselves and their friends. The USSR built a powerful economy, which was needed for the development of the entire country. And the privatizers destroyed it in order to take tidbits away to their private corners. Stupid and greedy egoists will not have a powerful economy.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 40
            0
            Quote: A_Lex
            If the Russian Federation definitely needs a UN mandate, then it itself has no subjectivity.

            even to get into stinking Syria, the Russian Federation begged for an "invitation" from Assad, whose opinion everyone else absolutely did not care. Legitimacy is our everything. And bringing Russian tanks into Donbass is not quite the same as taking part in a Middle Eastern mess, where the devil himself will break his leg. I hope Putin has not yet fallen into dementia to do this without securing UN sanctions. The virtuoso Crimean scenario does not work here in any case.
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 11 February 2021 14: 42
              +4
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              I hope Putin has not yet fallen into dementia to do this without securing UN sanctions.


              Who cares about UN permits? If the world really obeyed the rules and laws, then we would now live in a completely different world, but ... the USA themselves, with their own hands, destroyed the UN and its institutions, Serbia (1999) and Iraq (2003) will not let you lie, and how many other examples there were ... and now we live in a world that is actively arming and preparing for war, because states on international law no longer hope.

              In Donbass, if Russia wants to keep its state within its current borders, then it needs to respond to Western expansion, otherwise NATO will digest Donbass, then it will be the turn of Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, then Turkey will ask us from Karabakh (with the support of the United States) and already then the turn of the Russian regions will come. those. The West will not stop, it needs new colonies, and then only the fear of destruction can stop its appetites .... and so after the collapse of the USSR, it absorbed many states, now it is looking at the remaining piece.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 47
                -1
                so summarize your speech. What do you think Russia should do? Annex the fuck this piece of Ukraine? What sauce? Again "Russian world" or something new?
                1. Aleksandr21
                  Aleksandr21 11 February 2021 15: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  so summarize your speech. What do you think Russia should do? Annex the fuck this piece of Ukraine? What sauce? Again "Russian world" or something new?


                  Here you need to decide whether Ukraine is completely lost, or there is still a chance to return it and integrate it into the EAEU. Now the LPNR is trying to bring such a policy back in order to strengthen the pro-Russian part of the South-East of Ukraine and change the course of the country, but in my opinion, everything has gone too far ... The Western and Central regions of Ukraine have been lost, and now Ukraine is a colony of the West, bright future. As for the South-Eastern part, it is infringed on its rights and does not hear the voice of the people .... (there is not enough influence and voices) + there is Donbass. What should we do? To split off the South-East with Donbass and integrate it into our zone of influence (EAEU, CSTO, SCO ...) and under what sauce, it's a matter of taste. those. it will be differently better than what is in store for today's Ukraine, i.e. it (Ukraine) was driven into debt bondage, soon it will begin to sell the Land to Western corporations (for debts and in the name of democracy) and then it will supply agricultural products to Western countries (companies will belong to the West and Ukrainians will work) ... but the problem here is the fact that agricultural products are goods without high added value, i.e. the state will not be able to provide 40 million people with jobs, which means that the population will either go to work somewhere, or simply die out (they want both to be true), what will happen to the industry (shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, helicopter manufacturing, etc.) ? The West does not need competitors here, so Ukraine will say goodbye to industry. And Russia can offer the South-East of Ukraine and its industry a chance for survival, i.e. there is a demand for these products in the EAEU space, which means that people will have work and a decent life.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 15: 32
                    -2
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    Here you need to decide whether Ukraine is completely lost, or there is still a chance to return it and integrate it into the EAEU.

                    You have to be an outright slow-witted not to understand the obvious in 7 (!) Years. What, nafig, EAEU are you going to build Ukraine into? For seven years the patriots have been screaming that Ukraine has no economy, everything has been sold, stolen, buried, etc., etc. - what a hell of a economic community, albeit unsuccessful, such junk that needs colossal investments with colossal risks? I'm not even talking about a radical turn in politics - these chimeras are ridiculous to discuss.
                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    And Russia can offer the South-East of Ukraine and its industry a chance for survival

                    to whom? Which industry? Yes, nothing sensible and promising Russia can offer SE. All suggestions are half measures and palliative.
                    1. Aleksandr21
                      Aleksandr21 11 February 2021 15: 58
                      +5
                      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      You have to be an outright slow-witted not to understand the obvious in 7 (!) Years. What, nafig, EAEU are you going to build Ukraine into? For seven years, patriots have been screaming that Ukraine has no economy, everything has been sold, stolen, buried, etc., etc. - why the hell in the economic community, albeit unsuccessful, such rubbish that needs colossal investments with colossal risks? I'm not even talking about a radical turn in politics - these chimeras are ridiculous to discuss.


                      Who cares who yells what. The most important thing is that this is in line with the interests of our country. Let's do this ... what's the most valuable resource? These are people. There is practically everything in Russia, and what is not there, you can buy / acquire / steal, but there is a resource that you simply cannot acquire, it is a human resource. Now in Russia (yes, in the whole world, with the exception of some Asian states and Africa), the population is declining, and as regards the decline of the Russian ethnos, this is a big problem ... and it is not wise and not far-sighted to just spread out territories with Russian people. And as for investment problems ... we are investing in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia (and other countries), what's the problem, investing in the South-East of Ukraine? Of course, now, this is unrealistic given the current course of Ukraine and if we consider the South-East as part of Ukraine, but in the future everything is possible.

                      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      to whom? Which industry? Yes, nothing sensible and promising Russia can offer SE. All suggestions are half measures and palliative.


                      Maybe before 2014 there was a lot of cooperation in the industry, and we will certainly be able to find a niche for 10-15 million people at the present time.
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 16: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Aleksandr21
                        Let's do this ... what's the most valuable resource? These are people.

                        of course - as a subject of consumer demand, which, in turn, is a driver of economic growth.
                        Quote: Aleksandr21
                        and just scattering territories with Russian people is not reasonable and not far-sighted.

                        You have gathered to take the "Russian people" together with the territories, right? And what is the demographic profit then? In addition, there is a high probability that with the onset of the "Russian world" part of the able-bodied and reproductive population will dump from it somewhere "there." Because, let's be honest - this "world" does not bring any attractiveness to the mentioned sociogroup.
                        Quote: Aleksandr21
                        we invest money in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia (and other countries), what's the problem with investing in the South-East of Ukraine?

                        These are not investments, but bribes for loyalty.
                      2. Aleksandr21
                        Aleksandr21 12 February 2021 08: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        You have gathered to take the "Russian people" together with the territories, right? And what is the demographic profit then? In addition, there is a high probability that with the onset of the "Russian world" part of the able-bodied and reproductive population will dump from it somewhere "there." Because, let's be honest - this "world" does not bring any attractiveness to the mentioned sociogroup.


                        There are different options, if it is the annexation of the South-East (with Donbass) to Russia, then yes, our country will replenish the population, look at 2014 and the number of Russia before the annexation of Crimea and after, and these are not migrants from the Near Abroad, but our people, with the same mentality, culture, language, etc. of course this will not solve the demographic problem, but there will be an influx of new blood. The second option is the creation of a new state, maybe it will be New Russia, maybe it will be some other name, not the essence .... what's the profit? If we include this state in the EAEU, then our market will expand, the South-East with Donbass (this is in the region of 15-18 million people), for example: in the same Armenia there are about 3 million people or Belarus 9,4 million people ... and an increase of 15-18 million to the general market will be very useful. Moreover, it will be our Ethnos, or very close (depending on how you look), we have a common culture, history, language, etc. and this is a very important factor .... look how after the collapse of the USSR the number of people speaking Russian has decreased ... i.e. The West not only absorbed new territories (the Baltic states, etc.) but also built them into its system, where the Russian language is banned or placed in such conditions ... that it is unrealistic to use it (in state institutions, etc.) ). In terms of attractiveness, of course, the EU is more attractive from an economic point of view ... but what benefits did the new colonies get from it? Collapse of the industry? Flight and population decline? New loans so that the horses will not move completely out of hunger? After all, this is relevant not only for Ukraine ... so in this regard, the EAEU will be more attractive, i.e. there will be demand for products, in contrast to the Western market, where only the agricultural direction will be in demand.
                      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 February 2021 10: 01
                        +2
                        Sorry, all this manilovism of yours, mixed with the chimera of the "Russian world", of course, is interesting for people inclined to the corresponding fantasies, but in practical terms, sorry, and not worth a damn. You talk about markets without having the slightest idea about market mechanisms. You are interested in the pretentious splint and the poster side of the process - ah, ethnos, ah, the unification of the deep people, ah, plus 10 ... 15 ... 20 million Russians (??), ah, new territories ... Sleep of reason, as you know , gives birth to monsters. In your case, endorphins from nostalgia for the USSR block common sense. It makes no sense to analyze your fantasies point by point. The luxury of acquiring new territories and subjects is an expensive pleasure, dear. Unless, of course, you intend to turn them into cheap colonial labor. If you read Dickens, then he has a witty passage about the carving of piano legs by Nigerian aborigines. And if you are not going to use new territories, leaving them with the prospect of landfills. Otherwise, Russia will be required, I repeat, colossal investments, firstly, the size of which is difficult to determine, and secondly, it is even more difficult to determine their efficiency ratio and other investment indices, especially the leverage. You, as I understand it, are going to "restore" some kind of industry, no? And that, of course, means creating from scratch. In general, when you satisfy your passion for expansionism and ineptly pump federal loot into the pit of new territories, citizens of the Russian Federation who live in Siberia and the Far East will come to you and ask a reasonable question: "What the fuck?" It's good if they just ask a question, and don't start beating me right away. And just do not mutter to them about the ethnos and the "Russian world" - this will only provoke them.

                        But on the whole, your position is clear. Approximately the same was for the Nazis during the Sudeten crises - there is an ethnos, and the "German world", and the market, and the growth of territories, and "return of their own", and references to the empire of Charlemagne and other poster propaganda blah-blah-blah. My allusion is not personal in nature, I note, this is just a historical parallel.
                      4. Aleksandr21
                        Aleksandr21 12 February 2021 12: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        In general, when you satisfy your passion for expansionism and ineptly pump federal loot into the pit of new territories, citizens of the Russian Federation who live in Siberia and the Far East will come to you and ask a reasonable question: "What the fuck?" It's good if they just ask a question, and don't start beating me right away. And just do not mutter to them about the ethnos and the "Russian world" - this will only provoke them.


                        Actually, I live in Siberia, and I know firsthand about the infrastructure in my region and the need for federal "bubble". But I wrote to you about something completely different ...

                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        You talk about markets without having the slightest idea about market mechanisms.


                        So maybe you can tell us how Russia is expected in the US-EU markets? And how the "market mechanism" works under sanctions, come on, be bold, share how you see the future of Russia in the modern world.

                        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        In your case, endorphins from nostalgia for the USSR block common sense.


                        No, I am coming from a purely practical point of view ... i.e. the world is split into blocks where there is the West (USA, EU, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, etc. + those who have already entered the Western market: Japan, South Korea), there is China (and the coalition around it: SCO, Asian countries , Africa, South America, the Middle East: Iran, etc.), and there is the EAEU, which will either be absorbed by the West - China, or Russia with a group of countries around it, will find its place in the world.

                        Now across the USSR. Maybe you didn't notice, but after the collapse of the USSR, the West continued its expansion, already into the fragments of the Soviet Union, many countries have entered or are preparing to join the EU, then there will be a split in the EAEU, and then they will try to split Russia into many states, and believe me, this is far from a fantasy ... Russia has too large territories and resources, with only 145 million people and sooner or later, but the West will try to digest this piece too. This is the essence of his system ... the need for new territories and colonies. And the only way to stop the advancement of the West is to start fighting, including for sales markets, and you so easily propose to give everything, under the thesis that it is expensive, well, let's be left alone, without sales markets ... where do we end up?
  3. paul3390
    paul3390 11 February 2021 13: 19
    +5
    The Russian Federation recognizes this territory as Ukraine, each time emphasizing that the decision lies exclusively in the sovereign field of this state.

    But such a cool option was once again poured into the toilet! We had in our hands a completely legitimate incumbent president of Ukraine, who could officially turn to us for military assistance .. Okay - the Dnieper could not have crossed, but it would have been a very good move to recognize the Donbass as the real Ukraine, and the West region - rebels and separatyugs would be a very good move, allowing in the future, any dealings, and on an absolutely legal basis .. Eh .... Everything is as always ..
  4. boris epstein
    boris epstein 12 February 2021 17: 59
    0
    Iraq had subjectivity, Libya had subjectivity, Yugoslavia, and then Serbia had subjectivity, but this did not hinder either the United States or its NATO allies. Well Powell waved at the UN with a test tube with something there. Nobody knows what was in it. So much for Gleiwitz. It also did not prevent Israel from launching a missile attack on the nuclear center in Baghdad. Somehow double-entry bookkeeping turns out. One can do EVERYTHING, while others can not do ANYTHING. In this conservatory (UN) something needs to be changed.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 February 2021 14: 27
    +6
    Quote: NDR-791
    Do you think this is what confirms the author's message ??

    No, this does not confirm. But I think that RF intervention is inevitable. Otherwise, Donbass will be quickly lost. With the demonstrative murder of Russian citizens.
    Quote: NDR-791
    I think that in order to motivate ours, there must be either a real and adequate appeal from the LPNR authorities for military assistance or an analogue of the "radio station in Gleiwitz"

    There will be an appeal for help, the only question is that the offensive will be timed to the most politically unpleasant moment, when the costs of bringing in troops will be greatest.
    And the main intervention will be only in the "ichtamnet" format, officially it is impossible. That is, it will be the maximum BTG 150 division. There is no air support, artillery and air defense from the territory of the Russian Federation. I'm not sure that this is enough.
    And at the same time diplomatic pressure will come, because even in this format it will be impossible to hide the presence of troops.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 15: 35
      -4
      Quote: Odyssey
      Seeking help will

      from whom?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 11: 18
    -6
    Quote: Odyssey
    but the general meaning is correct - without the direct intervention of the Russian Federation, the defense in the Donbass will collapse quickly.

    and what is meant by "direct intervention"?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 February 2021 11: 31
      +22
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      and what is meant by "direct intervention"?

      the same thing. For some reason, everyone who cares for this thinks only of flowers and bread and salt. They don't give a damn about Ukrainian sociology on this issue. And then, "what about us?"
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 11 February 2021 21: 30
      +5
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      and what is meant by "direct intervention"?

      Let me unite your questions, otherwise you are scattering them for some reason.
      1) An appeal from the leadership of the DPR and LPR.
      2) Direct intervention means the introduction of the Russian armed forces similar to the events of September 2014 and in the same format.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 21: 48
        -3
        Quote: Odyssey
        1) An appeal from the leadership of the DPR and LPR.

        and what is the status of this "leadership"? That is, any local body of a foreign entity without a resolution of the supreme power can turn to the leadership of the Russian Federation for military assistance?
        Quote: Odyssey
        2) Direct intervention means the introduction of the Russian armed forces similar to the events of September 2014 and in the same format.

        what happened in September 2014? RF Armed Forces entered Ukraine? In what "format"?
  • stalki
    stalki 11 February 2021 11: 51
    0
    Information from Donetsk is relevant here.
    Why did you throw off links to it is not clear which author, nobody and in any way verified. Is this a wretched claim to authenticity?
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 11 February 2021 14: 04
      +10
      Quote: stalki
      Why did you throw off links to it is not clear which author, nobody and in any way verified. Is this a wretched claim to authenticity?

      Stupid rudeness only shows the lack of intelligence and morality.
      As for Donetsk, those who are not indifferent to the fate of the Russians and the fate of Donbass knows it. If you do not care, why are you writing in this thread?
      P / S Judging by your writing, you and Igor Ivanovich Strelkov do not know, but you may have heard about him. In 2014-2015, he flashed in a zombie box. So he refers directly to him.
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 February 2021 15: 18
        -5
        Stupid rudeness only shows the lack of intelligence and morality.
        As for Donetsk, those who are not indifferent to the fate of the Russians and the fate of Donbass knows it. If you do not care, why are you writing in this thread?
        P / S Judging by your writing, you and Igor Ivanovich Strelkov do not know, but you may have heard about him. In 2014-2015, he flashed in a zombie box. So he refers directly to him.
        Well, I just met your morality and intellect. Thank you for your complaint. Was expecting something like this. But to confirm the data, or any other information, it is not enough just one name, or a reference to someone else. I have every right not to trust your sources without any official documentary base. There are a dime a dozen of similar "writers" who refer to someone by hearsay (again, without documentary confirmation of the facts). AND? Am I obliged to believe everyone who is loudly shouted about? No thanks, I'll dig and check.
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 February 2021 12: 27
    +6
    And what result did the commission from the Russian Federation want? All combat-ready leaders were destroyed, and they did not avenge their deaths! Who will fight for such power? Moreover, Putin said about the loss of statehood. So Putin will now fight if there is a war. Moreover, hundreds of thousands of Russian passports have already been issued. And the volunteers are now unlikely to go. Putin has invented articles for them or will simply be given out to Ukraine.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 11 February 2021 14: 08
      +4
      Quote: steel maker
      And what result did the commission from the Russian Federation want? All combat-ready leaders were destroyed, but they did not avenge their deaths! Who will fight for such power?

      I know who is to blame. In this context, I am worried about what to do?
      Quote: steel maker
      So Putin will now fight if there is a war.

      I don't give a damn about citizen Putin, but there are no people in Donbas. They will be killed. So I suppose they will still fight.
      The question is to win this war.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 52
        -2
        Quote: Odyssey
        I don't give a damn about citizen Putin, but there are no people in Donbas. They will be killed. So I suppose they will still fight.
        The question is to win this war.

        It's funny - how do you spit on the "citizen" on whom the outcome of the proposed war directly depends? How long will the people on their own in Donbass, about whom you are so concerned, hold out against the Ukrainian Armed Forces?
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 11 February 2021 21: 49
          +1
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          It's funny - how do you spit on the "citizen" on whom the outcome of the proposed war directly depends?

          1) Why is the citizen in quotation marks? From your point of view, citizen Putin was deprived of Russian citizenship? This is an erroneous point of view. He is still a citizen.
          2) I spit on him because it will not be him who will be killed, as it was written about this, and since it is this citizen who has a significant share of responsibility for what is happening in the Donbass. Despite the fact that the key fault lies with the politicians of Maidan Ukraine and their curators.
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          How long will the people on their own in Donbass, about whom you are so concerned, hold out against the Ukrainian Armed Forces?

          A week, but this is precisely the consequence of the policy of this citizen.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 21: 59
            -4
            Quote: Odyssey
            I spit on him because

            You, dear, see the solution to the issue in the entry of the RF Armed Forces into Ukraine, which implies a direct military interstate conflict in the practically geographical center of Europe. But at the same time, you imposingly spit on that "citizen" on whom, I repeat, the decision to start a war or to avoid it depends. I do not quite understand - what level in decision making do you mean?
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 12 February 2021 01: 01
              +2
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              You, dear, see the solution to the issue in the entry of the RF Armed Forces into Ukraine, which implies a direct military interstate conflict in the almost geographical center of Europe

              The "question" itself arose as a result of the policy of building capitalism in the former USSR and, more specifically, the policy of Yeltsin-Putin. There were dozens of correct methods for solving it, but now I am feeding about current realities, not missed opportunities. Now the only chance for the physical preservation of the LPR, DPR and the preservation of the way of life and the very life of many of the people living there depends only on the entry of troops of the RF Armed Forces - this is a fact. But it happened as a result of Putin's policy, including the recognition of Donbass as the territory of Ukraine's Maidan.
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              But at the same time, you imposingly spit on that "citizen" on whom, I repeat, the decision to start a war or to avoid it depends. I do not quite understand - what level in decision making do you mean?

              I spit on the fate and interests of this citizen, in contrast to the fate of the residents of Donbass. But this does not mean that he will not make the decision. Of course, the decision will be made by the citizen Putin. At the same time, being in the same dead-end situation in which he drove himself. And the principles of this decision are simple - that will outweigh the fear of new sanctions in the event of an "interstate conflict." Or the threat of loss of image in the event of the defeat of the DPR / LPR and public mass murder of Russian citizens.
              Я I hope in this context, that he will make a decision to send troops, but I hope this is not for the sake of Mr Putin, but for the sake of the life of the people of Donbass.
              As for the attitude of the Russian army, it is unambiguous - to defeat the American henchmen, solve the problem and protect the people.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 09
    -2
    Quote: Odyssey
    Information from Donetsk is relevant here.

    and who is this?
    1. stalki
      stalki 11 February 2021 15: 21
      -2
      and who is this?
      and this is his authority, which everyone should know.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 15: 42
        -5
        Quote: stalki
        and who is this?
        and this is his authority, which everyone should know.

        There was such a Samvel Donetskiy. Bandyuk. Wasn't he by chance? laughing
        1. stalki
          stalki 11 February 2021 15: 50
          -2
          There was such a Samvel Donetskiy. Bandyuk. Wasn't he by chance?
          Well, I read the posts of this "Donetsk" trying to understand what kind of bird it is. The exposition, let's say, does not shine with a special culture. I cannot draw any conclusions yet, we must check everything.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 15: 50
            -3
            I will not distract. hi
  • paul3390
    paul3390 11 February 2021 13: 13
    +7
    And then bad luck, the army is not that it is not ready to fight, but simply it can be smashed by a platoon of drunken dill.

    As a matter of fact, it's not even clever to reproach Donetsk people for this .. This 6-year-old co-operation, arranged by our adored guarantor, will bring anyone to a fierce mess. For people must be very clear about what they are fighting for and what goals they are pursuing. You cannot constantly be in full combat readiness without completely understanding what is actually happening. They don’t take to Russia and don’t even promise, they don’t allow to build their own state too seriously, you cannot beat the snout with dill either. Why do people marinate in the trenches every year? To win the type of right to become part of the federal Ukraine ??? Die for this? And who the hell needs such happiness?

    It seems that our little ones don't know what they want ... And - absolutely in all areas. They would gladly go and sell everything to the West and finally dumped them into their mansions in Londinium and villas on the Cote d'Azur - but the trouble is, Western misers give a shamefully low price. And that's the only thing that stops them. Lucky for all of us ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 17
      +19
      Quote: paul3390
      This is a 6-year companionship arranged by our adored guarantor

      this is politics
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 February 2021 13: 21
        +7
        This is concomitantness. The 20th volume of Putin's cunning plan. Which no one has seen before, but have been sitting in their livers for a long time .. With their virtuality and delusional ..
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 11 February 2021 14: 13
      +7
      Quote: paul3390
      It seems that our little ones don't know what they want ... And - absolutely in all areas. They would gladly sell everything to the West and finally dump them into their mansions in Londinium and villas on the Cote d'Azur

      This is all true. But I'm not talking about politics now. What to do if Ukraine in Maidan goes on the offensive?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 February 2021 14: 21
        +1
        To beat the muzzles. Moreover, without looking back at the reaction of the blessed West. A lot will not shit anymore .. To throw out dill over the Dnieper, and create a real Donetsk republic. It is desirable, of course, the Soviet one .. As an alternative to Westernism ..

        Then - to carry out mass deportations of the Svidomites to the devil, ban MOV and Oseled people, a total program of de-banderization of the territory, conclude a close alliance with the DPR, and declare that the goal of all gestures is an early return to Russia. Who will act from the bourgeoisie - to send to hell and turn off the gas.

        Otherwise, why the hell are we spending that kind of money on the army ?? To constantly fearfully look back to the West?
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 11 February 2021 21: 53
          +4
          Quote: paul3390
          To beat the muzzles. Moreover, without looking back at the reaction of the blessed West. A lot will not shit anymore .. To throw out dill over the Dnieper, and create a real Donetsk republic. It is desirable, of course, the Soviet one .. As an alternative to Westernism ..

          I agree with you. But you, no worse than me, understand that this is a utopia in the current realities.
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 17 February 2021 20: 02
    0
    Quote: Odyssey
    I think it's an exaggeration

    Not much. So to speak. The front will hold out for some time, not thanks to, but in spite of the efforts of the curators.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 11 February 2021 11: 12
    +11
    It is extremely doubtful that we can talk about a large-scale offensive - there are no prerequisites for the success of such an adventure.


    This is a highly controversial argument. A lot of prerequisites:
    1.election of Biden
    2.Low rating of Zelensky
    3. internal problems in Russia.
    4.new sanctions against Russia on the way
    And, especially since
    ... The OSCE discovered the disappearance of 25 Ukrainian T-64 tanks from storage sites. Found at the Krasnoarmeysk railway station five Strela-10 air defense systems based on MT-LB and five MT-12 Rapira anti-tank guns, two Shturm-S missile systems and six Hyacinth towed howitzers.

    probably, The Armed Forces of Ukraine may well face a full and adequate "response"

    ... "most likely" is not objectivity.
    1. Guards turn
      Guards turn 11 February 2021 11: 26
      +8
      Apparently, Minsk's window of opportunity has passed. One could hope for the implementation of the Minsk Agreements if there was political will and consent from external “players,” primarily the United States and the European Union. As we know, the United States under Donald Trump, instead of nudging the Kiev regime into constructive peace talks in the Donbas, began supplying lethal weapons to Kiev. The new American administration of Joe Biden is all the more not interested in resolving the conflict in the southeast of Ukraine, because this will deprive Washington of an excuse to scale up the anti-Russian sanctions regime, and will also allow Moscow to improve relations with Brussels and increase its influence on Ukrainian territory. actions are largely subject to the dictates of the United States, and also does not seek to resolve the conflict in the Donbass. Another proof of this was the ridiculous actions of the head of the European Union’s foreign policy service, Josep Borrell, who during a recent visit to Moscow tried to build communication with the Russian side on ultimatums. In response, Borrell received a diplomatic "shock" and stated in disappointment that "the political dialogue with Russia has reached a dead end."
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 43
        +14
        Quote: Guards turn
        Apparently, Minsk's window of opportunity has passed.

        that's for sure
        Quote: Guards turn
        Joe Biden's new American administration is all the more not interested in resolving the conflict in the southeast of Ukraine.

        and not only this, there is also a subjective aspect
    2. Clear
      Clear 11 February 2021 12: 11
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      This is a highly controversial argument.

      Just a controversial argument, this is your
      Quote: Silvestr
      A lot of prerequisites:


      Quote: Silvestr
      1.election of Biden
      Yeah winked similarly to say - "meteorite over Irkutsk!".
      The election of Biden for Ukraine and Russia will not change anything at all. Nothing!

      Quote: Silvestr
      2.Low rating of Zelensky
      Also about nothing. The population of Ukraine is apolitical to all ratings, authorities and social and political life.

      Quote: Silvestr
      3. internal problems in Russia.
      Nobody hides this. But, they are not more than those of other states.

      Quote: Silvestr
      4.new sanctions against Russia on the way
      Well, and Russia, how can it influence this? By the way, before that they only helped to strengthen the Russian economy.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 46
        +16
        Quote: Clear
        The election of Biden for Ukraine and Russia will not change anything at all. Nothing!

        laughing of course, because there is no such country - USA request
        Quote: Clear
        Also about nothing. The population of Ukraine is apolitical to all ratings, authorities and social and political life.

        Bottom! Poroshenko tell it laughing
        Quote: Clear
        Nobody hides this. But, they are not more than those of other states.

        Indeed? Oh well request
        Quote: Clear
        Well, and Russia, how can it influence this? By the way, before that they only helped to strengthen the Russian economy.

        everything is clear, no words laughing No counter-arguments
        1. Clear
          Clear 11 February 2021 20: 26
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          of course, because there is no such country - USA
          Are you saying that a country with several hundred military bases around the world is just a very large collection organization? winked

          Quote: Silvestr
          Bottom! Poroshenko tell it
          No, it's all about, kay. Space. Tell him yourself.

          Quote: Silvestr
          Well, well
          Do not nuke, do not harness.


          Quote: Silvestr
          everything is clear, no words No counter-arguments
          Well there is no way. Bye.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 12
        +4
        Quote: Clear
        By the way, before that they only helped to strengthen the Russian economy.

        laughing
        I did not think that there were still believers in the life-giving power of sanctions. But no ....
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 18
          +20
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          I did not think that there were still believers in the life-giving power of sanctions. But no ....

          as you can see, there is. But for some reason, the authorities have been fighting in recent years for their, sanctions, cancellation. Looks like the water is not alive. and dead
          1. Clear
            Clear 11 February 2021 20: 34
            +4
            Quote: Overlock
            But for some reason, the authorities have been fighting in recent years for their, sanctions, cancellation.

            The authorities are not fighting for their abolition, but calmly asserts that they are not objective.
            1. Clear
              Clear 11 February 2021 20: 35
              +2
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Overlock
              But for some reason, the authorities have been fighting in recent years for their, sanctions, cancellation.

              The authorities are not fighting for their abolition, but calmly asserts that they are not objective.

              Yes, the authorities are not fighting for their abolition, but calmly explains that they are not objective ...
        2. Clear
          Clear 11 February 2021 20: 32
          +5
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Quote: Clear
          By the way, before that they only helped to strengthen the Russian economy.

          laughing
          I did not think that there were still believers in the life-giving power of sanctions. But no ....

          I have never argued that sanctions are useful. Don't be creative.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 20: 39
            -4
            Quote: Clear
            I have never argued that sanctions are useful. Don't be creative.


            actually, I quoted you when giving a cue.
            Quote: Clear
            By the way, before that they only helped to strengthen the Russian economy.

            N'est pas?
            hi
            1. Clear
              Clear 11 February 2021 20: 44
              +3
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              actually, I quoted you when giving a cue.

              Really
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              The difference between the result of sanctions and their bias is not the same thing.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 21: 12
                -4
                Quote: Clear
                The difference between the result of sanctions and their bias is not the same thing.

                Ah, that's it.
                The economy is growing stronger from biased sanctions.
                Funny. laughing
                1. Clear
                  Clear 11 February 2021 22: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Quote: Clear
                  The difference between the result of sanctions and their bias is not the same thing.

                  Ah, that's it.
                  The economy is growing stronger from biased sanctions.
                  Funny. laughing

                  Well, finally it came winked , even in the afternoon
                  Paragraph
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 11 February 2021 11: 14
    +7
    The earth will dry out, the green stuff will go, so the raguli will climb
  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 11 February 2021 11: 43
    -4
    The NATO masters and their "consumables" - the cannon fodder of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, have ten days left favorable for an attack.
    Then the roads and fields will thaw, the offensive technology will get bogged down, the DNR will burn it all over and there will be another stench and stench for the whole world, about the Russian Army in Ukraine.
  • Lookass
    Lookass 11 February 2021 11: 47
    -7
    LDNR would need small strike drones, like Zala lancet.
    Enemy artillery would soon cease to exist
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 11 February 2021 11: 57
      +3
      Read the site rules!
    2. Rose capone
      Rose capone 11 February 2021 12: 01
      +2
      "LDNR would need small strike drones, like Zala lancet.
      Enemy artillery would soon cease to exist "Shaw completely with the Russian language -ZRAADA? The Gestapo shook?
  • Baloo
    Baloo 11 February 2021 11: 53
    +2
    Speed ​​up corona vaccinations — also matters, especially for the elderly. Up to 30 few deaths from covid-19, mostly over 50, especially over 60. I have the third day after the first stage of vaccination, all normal, 63 years old, diabetes and another list of ailments.
    Of course, it seems logical to us from our sofas to kill the banderlog, and not let ourselves be killed with impunity. But here's a simple question: does Donbass have enough reserves to reach Kiev, or at least to the administrative borders?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 02
      +20
      Quote: Balu
      I have the third day after the first stage of vaccination, all the rules, 63 years old, diabetes and another list of ailments.

      Congratulations! And we have 3 after a full vaccination with a crown on the bed
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 11 February 2021 12: 13
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Balu
        I have the third day after the first stage of vaccination, all the rules, 63 years old, diabetes and another list of ailments.

        Congratulations! And we have 3 after a full vaccination with a crown on the bed

        I hope doctors understand that the corona is a multiple organ pathology, and not just specific pneumonia, especially in the elderly. After the lungs are under attack, primarily the central nervous system, pancreas, liver, myocardium. Transient hyperglycemia from steroids is in the range of 10-12. Anything over 14, either T2DM goes into T1DM, or a covid lesion of a healthy pancreas. The thyroid gland is also affected, but less often than the myocardium (according to international autopsy statistics).
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 37
          +17
          Quote: Balu
          I hope the doctors understand

          They understand, since there are only 2 such hospitals in the Russian Federation.
          The corona is not pneumonia, but primarily DIC syndrome, everything else is target organs
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 11 February 2021 12: 57
            +5
            Quote: Silvestr


            The main intake through the upper respiratory tract into the lungs, and then as you are lucky. PCT will tell you when antibiotics are needed.
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 11 February 2021 13: 02
            +6
            Why only 2? Vaccination has begun in our region, the incidence has gone down. Today there are 70 new ones, which is almost a quarter less than before the new year. Since February 12, 770 temporary covid beds will be closed. Mask mode was canceled in the neighboring region. In vain, it was already unsuccessful for them, now the infection will go to us.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 11 February 2021 14: 22
              +20
              Quote: Balu
              Why only 2?

              Because a method is written in them. Recommendations for crown treatment for the entire RF
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 11 February 2021 12: 06
      +2
      Quote: Balu
      Speed ​​up corona vaccinations — also matters, especially for the elderly. Up to 30 few deaths from covid-19, mostly over 50, especially over 60. I have the third day after the first stage of vaccination, all normal, 63 years old, diabetes and another list of ailments.
      Of course, it seems logical to us from our sofas to kill the banderlog, and not let ourselves be killed with impunity. But here's a simple question: Donbass has enough reserves to reach Kiev, or at least to the administrative borders?

      ====
      I think it is better to bypass the defense of the Armed Forces on the flanks of the Russian Federation than to open it from the side of the LDNR
  • prior
    prior 11 February 2021 11: 54
    +2
    It looks like the time has come to block everything that crosses the Russian-Ukrainian border so that the Ukrainian Bandera authorities have no time for Donbass.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 11: 56
    +2
    It is high time to recognize the LDNR as an independent state and provide all possible assistance to it. Attempts to introduce this republic into the body of the Bandera state are doomed to failure.
    Bandera in the government of Ukraine will do everything to ensure that all attempts at a peaceful solution are thrown into the trash can.
    Azerbaijan's recent success with respect to Karabakh gave the Nazis of Ukraine hope for the success of the military option.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 11: 59
      +5
      As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 11 February 2021 12: 09
        -2
        As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.
        that's right, the only common opinion, otherwise the constant calls with a "begging hand" to help and provide this very assistance in different areas have already passed, in the form of humanitarian convoys of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, when soon the neighbors will have nothing to eat on either side .., and who will help the "helpers", obviously not the West and the close neighbors ...! ???, for 6 years of sanctions and new ones are not far off, they are already waiting ... , not by anyone - the territories deal with their authorities and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, somehow themselves! wink
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 18
          -1
          Quote: Intruder
          As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.
          that's right, the only common opinion, otherwise the constant calls with a "begging hand" to help and provide this very assistance in different areas have already passed, in the form of humanitarian convoys of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation, when soon the neighbors will have nothing to eat on either side .., and who will help the "helpers", obviously not the West and the close neighbors ...! ???, for 6 years of sanctions and new ones are not far off, they are already waiting ... , not by anyone - the territories deal with their authorities and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, somehow themselves! wink

          Most of all I feel sorry for the people there. They have only one way out - to leave there. What they are doing. The Russian Federation does not take Donbass, so as not to restore it + does not want to receive more sanctions.
          1. lucul
            lucul 11 February 2021 12: 28
            -5
            does not want to receive more sanctions.

            Laughter, well, what other sanctions can they impose? And so everything that can be included.)))
            1. Postum
              Postum 11 February 2021 14: 27
              +6
              Laughter, well, what other sanctions can they impose? And so everything that can be included.)))

              You can of course continue to laugh, but in fact, no serious sanctions have been imposed on the Russian Federation yet. Serious sanctions are a disconnection from SWIFT, an embargo on oil and gas, as well as on metals, including titanium and aluminum, serious sanctions are a ban on high-tech products for industry, especially for the extractive industry (after which it will be painfully bent). A serious scam is the arrest of all the money withdrawn from the Russian Federation during the Putin era, and this is about 1 trillion of evergreens, not for this they were taken out to be arrested. And so the sanctions now are more of an element of intimidation, and even then they are aimed mainly at individuals and companies that are already in an emergency,
              Think the sanctions are weak, look how much Iran lost money due to the sanctions, after the US left the deal)))))
              1. Egor-dis
                Egor-dis 17 February 2021 20: 34
                0
                Quote: Postum
                Serious sanctions are disconnection from SWIFT

                We are waiting for this circus, when the EU, for gas / oil from Russia, starts to carry loot in suitcases. And if you still have fun - selling them not for Euros but for rubles, it will be even more fun. To pay in rubles, you must also buy them.
                Quote: Postum
                oil and gas embargo
                An embargo is when you are not being sold. Well, given that they really do not sell, but buy, this "embargo" non-stop since the times of the USSR has not yet ended. And if it was understood that they would not buy - well, let them heat with firewood. Although no, firewood is also from Russia. Then LNG is bought in the States. Along the way, we stock up on popcorn and see how the EU economy, due to the rise in prices for products by 70-90%, goes into an irreversible tailspin. It will be possible for them to sell cars for cheap, from their own former car factories.
                It is the EU that should understand that Russia has not yet imposed serious sanctions on them.
          2. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 47
            -3
            Most of all I feel sorry for the people there.

            Do you feel sorry for people?
            So demand from the Ukrainian Armed Forces to stop shelling Donbass, stop killing people who do not agree with your Bandera.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 47
            +19
            Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
            Most of all I feel sorry for the people there. Their only option is to leave

            that's why they began to issue passports
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 51
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
              Most of all I feel sorry for the people there. Their only option is to leave

              that's why they began to issue passports

              It turns out sadly that in fact nobody needs Donbass.
          4. Intruder
            Intruder 11 February 2021 16: 43
            0
            Most of all I feel sorry for the people there. They have only one way out - to leave there.
            I agree that the civilian population there are like hostages, the local also have militant layers of their leadership, who are still with a "splinter in their heads", and many cannot leave, or do not want to leave, who is waiting for them and where !?, if there are no family ties, then everything is a pipe ...
        2. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 19
          +2
          the only common opinion

          And you ask the opinion of the citizens of Donbass ... and you will be very disappointed with their answer. smile
          Donbass needs help in organizing its competent authorities, helping them develop their economy on their own ... this is the only correct and not burdensome decision for Russia.
          Sanctions against Russia from the West will be introduced for any reason ... it's time to understand this long ago.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 22
            +2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            the only common opinion

            And you ask the opinion of the citizens of Donbass ... and you will be very disappointed with their answer. smile
            Donbass needs help in organizing its competent authorities, helping them develop their economy on their own ... this is the only correct and not burdensome decision for Russia.
            Sanctions against Russia from the West will be introduced for any reason ... it's time to understand this long ago.

            The Russian Federation has no money for its own economy, but here you are talking about Donbass assistance) Until 2014, the West did not impose sanctions, there were sanctions that did not really affect anything, but the West did not interfere with pouring money into the Russian economy and raising it.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 11 February 2021 13: 29
              +4
              The West did not stop to pour money into the Russian economy and raise it.

              Wow ... There are still believers in the life-giving Western type of investment, which will inevitably be pulled to shining economic heights .. Well, I thought it had been 10 years ago that I died ..

              We must do everything ourselves and on our own. No one will lead us into a bright future by the handle. Throwing out the bourgeoisie, returning Soviet power, and rolling up their sleeves - take up their native country. This is the only real recipe for Russia's power and prosperity ..
              1. Postum
                Postum 11 February 2021 14: 04
                +2
                There are still believers in the life-giving Western types of investments, which will inevitably stretch to shining economic heights.
                Actually, it is better to completely take a shit with the Germans and the French, who are now building the hydrogen industry in the Russian Federation and try it themselves. But will there be enough money and technology ????
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 11 February 2021 14: 10
                  +1
                  Yes, they themselves quite easily shit with us. Enough of both. Unless, of course, palaces are crap around the world. Was the Union enough? And then - forget about the West, it has long been not the forge of the world. And with China, we seem to have excellent relations ..

                  And then - at the sight of profit, the bourgeois will strangle his mother. So if they smell a profit from hydrogen, they themselves will crawl. And if they don't smell it, then what the hell will they invest in.
                  1. Postum
                    Postum 11 February 2021 14: 37
                    +5
                    Lord, stop living in a maneuver, where do we have good relations with the PRC? The fact that they forbade us to supply products, under various pretexts, which is why the industry is now suffering losses. They have not built their own processing industry for all the time, or that they blackmail the Russian Federation with the Power of Siberia, or that they climb into the sphere of influence of the Russian Federation and drive it under themselves. RF is just a tool for them
                    If they smell it, they smell it like that, only hydrogen can also be driven into LNG, and then they don't need RF either (((
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 11 February 2021 16: 17
                      -6
                      Scat, liberal hoopoe. If you don't see, there are grown-up guys talking.
                      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 20: 05
                        -2
                        Why are you rude to him? He quite rightly doubted the thesis about
                        Quote: paul3390
                        And with China, we seem to have excellent relations ..

                        Or explain exactly what you mean by "great relationship".
                      2. paul3390
                        paul3390 11 February 2021 20: 17
                        -1
                        To not write nonsense. Excellent relationship means different relationship from EU and US. What's not clear here?
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 49
          +24
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And you ask the opinion of the citizens of Donbass ... and you will be very disappointed with their answer.

          I'm sorry, but neither Moscow nor Kiev is interested in their opinion. I'm sorry to say so, but people in this war are a bait: if you thought about them, then everything would have been decided long ago
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 12
      -2
      As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.
      And how do you still not understand that Donbass is a buffer between Russia and Bandera Ukraine.
      The Ukrainians themselves must destroy this Nazi infection and we must help them in this noble cause in any way.
      1. Antonio_Mariarti
        Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 16
        +5
        Don't be occupied with populism. None of the Ukrainians will overthrow this government. The Ukrainians have a reason no longer loves the Russian Federation than their power. How, due to the actions of the Russian Federation, they lost Crimea and received a war in the Donbass. Therefore, every year Ukrainians will be less and less loyal to the Russian Federation. Fraternal ties will become weaker and weaker over the years, the loss of Ukraine is one of the biggest or the biggest geopolitical defeat of the Russian Federation in the 21st century.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 23
          -2
          Do not engage in demagoguery.
          Nobody will ask Ukrainians about the seizure of power.
          A small handful of Maydanut Galician Nazis were able to take power in Kiev without asking the opinion of the entire people of Ukraine, and only Yanukovych's cowardice and stupidity did not allow them to fight back.
          Most Ukrainians are inert and passive, and they look upward deciding on the principle of who is more active and brazen is right. In this case, the Galician scumbags on the Maidan turned out to be bolder and more active.
          1. Antonio_Mariarti
            Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 24
            +2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            You are not doing demagoguery.
            Nobody will ask Ukrainians about the seizure of power.
            A small handful of Maydanut Galician Nazis were able to take power in Kiev without asking the opinion of the entire people of Ukraine, and only Yanukovych's cowardice and stupidity did not allow them to fight back.

            At all times, no one asks the people about power. The collapse of the USSR is an example of this. But this does not prevent the existence of power.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 36
              +1
              But this does not prevent the existence of power.
              Of course it does not interfere ... only the strength of the government in Ukraine is a very relative thing.
              The support of the current government in Ukraine is mainly based on Nazi thugs from Galicia and US support.
              Such a power is weak and fragile and will collapse with a strong blow ... and Ukraine is now in a fever like a patient with malaria from the performances of the Rada and the Zelensky government.
              1. Antonio_Mariarti
                Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 38
                -1
                Quote: Lech from Android.
                But this does not prevent the existence of power.
                Of course it does not interfere ... only the strength of the government in Ukraine is a very relative thing.
                The support of the current government in Ukraine is mainly based on Nazi thugs from Galicia and US support.
                Such a power is weak and fragile and will collapse with a strong blow ... and Ukraine is now in a fever like a patient with malaria from the performances of the Rada and the Zelensky government.

                You know, about the same analogy can be made with the Russian Federation. You know, such words are already 6 years old) At first they said it would not be in a year, then after 2, then after 3, this can continue for decades. As long as Ukraine is supported by the West, the government will not change there.
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 45
                  +4
                  As long as Ukraine is supported by the West, the government will not change there.
                  Yeah, like, while Putin supported Yanukovych, the government will not change.
                  When the West realizes that Ukraine is milking them like a cow, demanding money and freebies, support will be sharply limited. smile
                  It’s a no-brainer that the West wants to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian ... but most of Ukraine hardly wants to be cannon fodder against Russia.
                  The Nazis of Ukraine really want to fight with Russia pushing in front of themselves ordinary guys who do not need all this for nothing. And a real war quickly sober up from the narcotic delirium of Nazism.
                  1. Antonio_Mariarti
                    Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: Lech from Android.
                    As long as Ukraine is supported by the West, the government will not change there.
                    Yeah, like, while Putin supported Yanukovych, the government will not change.
                    When the West realizes that Ukraine is milking them like a cow, demanding money and freebies, support will be sharply limited. smile
                    It’s a no-brainer that the West wants to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian ... but most of Ukraine hardly wants to be cannon fodder against Russia.
                    The Nazis of Ukraine really want to fight with Russia pushing in front of themselves ordinary guys who do not need all this for nothing. And a real war quickly sober up from the narcotic delirium of Nazism.

                    The West understands everything perfectly and is ready to pay. The most important thing is that it should not be under the Russian Federation. And while the West wins in this matter, because we got the Crimea - and they all Ukraine. You know, we, too, have fewer survivors to fight with Ukraine. No) They just do not want to fight, they want the Russian Federation to be a scapegoat on which you can blame all the troubles and make cuts in military purchases. No one in their right mind is planning to fight Russia.
                  2. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 11 February 2021 12: 52
                    +5
                    When the West realizes that Ukraine is milking them like a cow, demanding money and freebies, support will be sharply limited.


                    What an interesting schizophrenic reality, in which the dumb West, without any adequate reason, generously pours tens of billions of dollars into Ukraine, and not in the form of loans, but in the best traditions of Winnie the Pooh, i.e. free of charge.
                2. lucul
                  lucul 11 February 2021 12: 50
                  -3
                  You know, about the same analogy can be made with the Russian Federation. You know, such words are already 6 years old) At first they said it would not be in a year, then after 2, then after 3, this can continue for decades. As long as Ukraine is supported by the West, the government will not change there.

                  The problem is that soon there will be no West, all analysts in Europe insist that the EU will slide into the second world in the next 20 years.
                  China will undermine Europe)))
                  1. Antonio_Mariarti
                    Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 52
                    -1
                    Quote: lucul
                    You know, about the same analogy can be made with the Russian Federation. You know, such words are already 6 years old) At first they said it would not be in a year, then after 2, then after 3, this can continue for decades. As long as Ukraine is supported by the West, the government will not change there.

                    The problem is that soon there will be no West, all analysts in Europe insist that the EU will slide into the second world in the next 20 years.
                    China will undermine Europe)))

                    Hahahah, approx.
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 11 February 2021 12: 55
                      -1
                      Hahahah, approx.

                      Pffff))))
                      How many wonderful discoveries the near future is preparing for you))))
                    2. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 56
                      -1
                      Quote: lucul
                      Hahahah, approx.

                      Pffff))))
                      How many wonderful discoveries the near future is preparing for you))))

                      The Russian Federation would live up to this moment, when all enemies will collapse at once.
                    3. lucul
                      lucul 11 February 2021 12: 57
                      +2
                      The Russian Federation would live up to this moment, when all enemies will collapse at once.

                      Just remember Europe in 2000 and look at Europe in 2021))))
                    4. Antonio_Mariarti
                      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: lucul
                      The Russian Federation would live up to this moment, when all enemies will collapse at once.

                      Just remember Europe in 2000 and look at Europe in 2021))))

                      And what should I compare that? The fact that since 2000 the EU has grown? Has their share in the global economy increased? That they adopted a series of reforms to unite, what to look at?
                    5. lucul
                      lucul 11 February 2021 13: 06
                      -2
                      And what should I compare that? The fact that since 2000 the EU has grown? Has their share in the global economy increased? That they adopted a series of reforms to unite, what to look at?

                      Your propaganda does not tell you about this, but China, over the past 15 years, has bought up industrial companies in Europe in the amount of $ 400 billion !!! ... For comparison, the Peugeot-Citroen concern bought Opel, from General Motors for only $ 2.5 billion. So estimate the scale of Chinese expansion)))
                  2. Antonio_Mariarti
                    Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 13: 01
                    +1
                    Compare the Russian Federation in 2000, or rather its share in the World Economy, and Russia in 2021.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 22
            +20
            Quote: lucul
            The problem is that soon there will be no West, all analysts in Europe insist that the EU will slide into the second world in the next 20 years.
            China will dominate Europe

            while the fat dries, the thin one dies
          3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 30
            0
            Quote: lucul
            China will undermine Europe)))

            more precisely, Eurasia. And it serves her right - it was no fucking haughty look at the "land of blue ants." Or did they think China would be an eternal Sri Lankan type cesspool, working for a bowl of lentils?
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 25
        +26
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The support of the current government in Ukraine is mainly based on Nazi thugs from Galicia and US support.

        nonsense hi
        Ask which National Battalions and in what quantity in 2014 formed the regions of Ukraine, where the most perished. After that, you can argue. There are only 5 or 6 National Battalions from Galicia out of all 40, the rest are the Center, East and South of Ukraine.
  • Postum
    Postum 11 February 2021 14: 07
    +5
    Most Ukrainians are inert and passive and they look upward deciding on the principle of who is more active and brazen is right

    Well, yes, well, yes, and so they threw them all up there and that they will go to Russia, why?
    The Russian Federation that took away Crimea from them, or with the Russian Federation, because of which they lose their soldiers in Donbass, so they took it and forgave the Russian Federation for their victims, yeah, and probably the authorities of Novorosskaya will want
  • lucul
    lucul 11 February 2021 12: 29
    0
    Don't be occupied with populism. None of the Ukrainians will overthrow this government. The Ukrainians have a reason no longer loves the Russian Federation than their power. How, due to the actions of the Russian Federation, they lost Crimea and received a war in the Donbass.

    Aha-ahah))) So you are doing it yourself.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 31
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      Don't be occupied with populism. None of the Ukrainians will overthrow this government. The Ukrainians have a reason no longer loves the Russian Federation than their power. How, due to the actions of the Russian Federation, they lost Crimea and received a war in the Donbass.

      Aha-ahah))) So you are doing it yourself.

      I stated a fact. Sympathy among Ukrainians most of all for the Russian Federation - among the people of the former USSR, among young people they are neutral or at the level of antipathy.
      1. lucul
        lucul 11 February 2021 12: 45
        -2
        I stated a fact. Sympathy among Ukrainians most of all for the Russian Federation - among the people of the former USSR, among young people they are neutral or at the level of antipathy.

        You can say whatever you want - reality will not change it)))
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 49
          -3
          Quote: lucul
          I stated a fact. Sympathy among Ukrainians most of all for the Russian Federation - among the people of the former USSR, among young people they are neutral or at the level of antipathy.

          You can say whatever you want - reality will not change it)))

          mutually
  • Overlock
    Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 21
    +19
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    The Ukrainians themselves must destroy this Nazi infection

    it's like?
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    and we must help them in this noble cause in any way.

    once again "how is it"?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 23
    +2
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    And how do you still not understand that Donbass is a buffer between Russia and Bandera Ukraine.

    and why the hell is this buffer? Do you want to say that without him the Russian Federation is not able to defend its border with Ukraine? Seriously?
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    The Ukrainians themselves must destroy this Nazi infection

    Come on already. And the staging of the referendum, "recognition" and "all-round assistance" (that is, annexation), which you called for here above, are not Nazi "Sudeten" methods?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 February 2021 14: 28
      +22
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      and why the hell is this buffer?

      It is rather an anchor with which Russia is trying to keep Ukraine from moving into NATO.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 34
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        It is rather an anchor with which Russia is trying to keep Ukraine from moving into NATO.

        The fact that it is beneficial for the Russian Federation to keep this bedlam in stand by has long been beyond doubt. And the people of Donbass are held hostage by the politota.
  • Overlock
    Overlock 11 February 2021 13: 26
    +20
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Donbass is a buffer between Russia and Bandera Ukraine.

    but what do motorists do with a broken bumper? request
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 38
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      but what do motorists do with a broken bumper?

      well, not always ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 February 2021 12: 26
    -2
    Quite right, Donbass alone is not needed, all Russian lands are needed up to Moldova. negative
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Quite right, Donbass alone is not needed, all Russian lands are needed up to Moldova. negative

      Yes ... but this is no longer possible.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 February 2021 12: 31
        -4
        Seriously think so? Wait and see.
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Ros 56
          Seriously think so? Wait and see.

          Judging by the youth, yes.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 11 February 2021 13: 15
            -1
            Young people are different, some wander around idle, others take part in sections and olympiads.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 51
          +23
          Quote: Ros 56
          Seriously think so? Wait and see.

          just talk to those who live there and everything will become clear to you. But only with many
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 11 February 2021 12: 31
        +2
        Yes ... but this is no longer possible.

        Yes, I do not want to smile The capture of the US State Department by the Trumpists was also considered an impossible thing ... Ukraine is now entirely dependent on external forces.
        The US Ambassador recently gave the go-ahead for the appointment of Avakov to the new government ... Avakov specially went to the bride show at the US Embassy ... smile the natives lived up to the handle ... beads in exchange for gold.
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 34
          +2
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Yes ... but this is no longer possible.

          Yes, I do not want to smile The capture of the US State Department by the Trumpists was also considered an impossible thing ... Ukraine is now entirely dependent on external forces.
          The US Ambassador recently gave the go-ahead for the appointment of Avakov to the new government ... Avakov specially went to the bride show at the US Embassy ... smile the natives lived up to the handle ... beads in exchange for gold.

          And how does this contradict my answer? What are the powers of influence of the Russian Federation on Ukraine? How can she change the attitude of the Ukrainians, how can she displace the government? If everything is not calm in Russia. Sorry, but Russia lost the moment when it was possible to return Ukraine (or part of it), or rather it did not need it.
          1. lucul
            lucul 11 February 2021 12: 48
            -3
            And how does this contradict my answer? What are the powers of influence of the Russian Federation on Ukraine? How can she change the mood of the Ukrainians, how can she displace the government?

            I told you - you will see all this in your lifetime)))
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 51
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              And how does this contradict my answer? What are the powers of influence of the Russian Federation on Ukraine? How can she change the mood of the Ukrainians, how can she displace the government?

              I told you - you will see all this in your lifetime)))

              Yeah, like the coming of communism.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 50
      +20
      Quote: Ros 56
      Quite right, Donbass alone is not needed, all Russian lands are needed up to Moldova

      then already Alaska laughing
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 26
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Quite right, Donbass alone is not needed, all Russian lands are needed up to Moldova. negative

      and why are they to you?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 February 2021 13: 28
        -1
        For business, you know.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 42
          -1
          Quote: Ros 56
          For business, you know.

          you can ask - for which one?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 11 February 2021 14: 05
            -2
            You can ask, this is our big secret.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 14: 16
              0
              Quote: Ros 56
              You can ask, this is our big secret.

              Clear. Indistinct desires directly according to Shchedrin: "I wanted something: either the constitution, or the sevryuzhins with horseradish, or else to rip off someone" (c) laughing
  • lucul
    lucul 11 February 2021 12: 27
    -9
    As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.

    Putin said clearly - we need all of Ukraine. Which will be.
    1. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 27
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      As you still do not understand, the Russian Federation does not need Donbass.

      Putin said clearly - we need all of Ukraine. Which will be.

      How many centuries later?
      1. lucul
        lucul 11 February 2021 12: 30
        -8
        How many centuries later?

        Pfff))))
        With your life)))
        1. Antonio_Mariarti
          Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 31
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          How many centuries later?

          Pfff))))
          With your life)))

          Yes Yes.
          1. lucul
            lucul 11 February 2021 12: 46
            -3
            Yes Yes.

            Pffff))))
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 52
        +19
        Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
        How many centuries later?

        never
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: lucul
      Putin said clearly - we need all of Ukraine.

      when and to whom did he say this?
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 11 February 2021 13: 45
      +4
      As long as I am the president, there will be no increase in the penny age, Putin said.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 February 2021 12: 02
    +2
    Kiev will even try to play the card of withdrawal from the Minsk agreements in this way.
    Kiev is already playing this card by trying to involve the United States and Poland in agreements, knowing full well that Moscow will not go for it.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 February 2021 12: 05
    -2
    there is such a vulgar anecdote "... men you either go there or from there, otherwise it annoys me"
    it's already 7 years of this baiga and it's time to end it, otherwise it's annoying
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 11 February 2021 12: 06
    +2
    I hope our leadership has drawn conclusions from the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in the unrecognized republic.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 15: 49
      +1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      I hope our leadership has drawn conclusions from the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in the unrecognized republic.

      Of course, in the event of a batch, the Ukrainian diaspora in Russia will collect humanitarian aid for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
  • icant007
    icant007 11 February 2021 12: 11
    +4
    Among his scenarios, the author mentioned the generally traditional options for the enemy's actions.
    However, he completely ignored the practice of the recent combat use of UAVs in Karabakh.

    Yes, according to official data, Ukraine now has only 6 Bayraktars. But the LDNR has nothing special to answer. Air defense means are the few "Needles", "Strela-10" and ZU-23-2.

    At the same time, for sure, Erdogan will not fail to have the opportunity to screw up on us in Donbas by supplying additional UAVs to Ukraine.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 February 2021 12: 53
      +21
      Quote: icant007
      Erdogan will not fail to give us the opportunity to screw up in Donbas by supplying additional UAVs to Ukraine.

      there are already Turks with their products
  • tranquil
    tranquil 11 February 2021 12: 49
    -1
    An amateurish question: do our troops have the means to allow, in the event of a Bandera offensive, to significantly influence them from the territory of the Russian Federation? Let's say from the border.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 29
      -2
      Quote: tranquil
      allowing, in the event of a Bandera offensive, to significantly influence them from the territory of the Russian Federation?

      and with what fright the Russian Federation "to influence"?
      1. King3214
        King3214 11 February 2021 17: 16
        -2
        Protect 350.000 Russian citizens living in Donbas.
        And if at least one Russian citizen dies, it will be possible to officially launch missile strikes throughout Ukraine, where military units and military facilities are located.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 17: 32
          -1
          Quote: King3214
          And if at least one Russian citizen dies, then it will be possible to officially launch missile strikes throughout Ukraine

          Ek sausages you. Strategist from God. Rockets, you know. laughing
          First of all, the Russian Federation should attend to the evacuation of its citizens from the point of conflict to its sovereign territory, right?
          1. tranquil
            tranquil 11 February 2021 22: 10
            -2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            RF should attend to

            Ragul forgot to ask laughing Polish toilets will not wash themselves - work at a run! laughing
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 22: 18
              -3
              Quote: tranquil
              Ragul forgot to ask Polish toilets won't wash themselves - work at a run!

              Well, where can we go without this stupid rudeness) "Toilet bowls", "toilets" .... Didn't you drop you in the push of a village outhouse as a child? Apparently, twenty years later they just got it, apparently? laughing
              1. tranquil
                tranquil 12 February 2021 12: 10
                0
                He just pointed out its place to the ragul. With Bandera dogs this is the only way, alas.
                And now, running at a run, the serfs will not wait laughing
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 12 February 2021 12: 18
                  -5
                  The degenerate, uncertainly buttoning his own trousers, cannot point to anyone by definition. Young man, keep picking your own nose - there are many interesting things for you. For sim - goodbye, your nonsense is not interesting. Catch fleas with your fingers. hi
                  1. tranquil
                    tranquil 12 February 2021 12: 32
                    -1
                    Are you out, roguel? Now rag in your teeth and work until the euro-owner gets angry laughing

                    Dignity revolution good
      2. tranquil
        tranquil 11 February 2021 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        and with what fright the Russian Federation "to influence"?

        In order to protect the population of the LPR and DPR from Bandera punishers.
    2. King3214
      King3214 11 February 2021 17: 20
      +1
      When Syria was shelled from Kaspiysk and Sevastopol, did you have such a question?
      1. tranquil
        tranquil 12 February 2021 12: 13
        -1
        I meant something more "simple", like artillery.
    3. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 17 February 2021 20: 16
      0
      Quote: tranquil
      But do our troops have the means to significantly influence them from the territory of the Russian Federation in the event of a Bandera offensive?

      Different types of MLRS can work great.
      And there is also such fun as "caliber", with the help of which, without straining, you can create conditions for early elections not only for the president and the Verkhovna Rada in Kiev, but also for the city administration of Lvov, for example.
  • zombirusrev
    zombirusrev 11 February 2021 12: 55
    0
    Grandfather Bidon kicks his sixes so that they build nasty things on the border with Russia.
  • Russobel
    Russobel 11 February 2021 12: 59
    0
    Russia is being transported
  • Avior
    Avior 11 February 2021 13: 12
    +13
    In reality, neither Russia nor Ukraine needs Donbass.
    Akhmetov's Donetsk enterprises have already been replaced by products from Mariupol and Zaporozhye, the DPR economy has been destroyed without any hints of recovery. Nobody wants to pay for the restoration.
    The difference in the level of income in the DPR and the part of the Donetsk region that remained under Ukraine has already become so significant that the DPR does not want to even in Mariupol, let alone in the rest of Ukraine. And the further, the more the gap grows.
    The moment has passed.
    Sorry for the people in Donbass.
    The seventh year has gone ...
    1. yfast
      yfast 11 February 2021 20: 05
      0
      So what? Kiev to take? The cost of labor in Donbass is low, in any case it will be profitable to build enterprises.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 February 2021 23: 18
        +3
        Nobody will invest in troubled territory.
  • King3214
    King3214 11 February 2021 17: 12
    0
    Another decline in the population of Ukraine. But what does Donbas have to do with it?
    The Ukrainian authorities could simply poison their people with poisons in the water supply system and food poison. If they so want to reduce the population of Ukraine.
    Leave the Donbass behind, you hochs!
  • Dimide
    Dimide 11 February 2021 20: 48
    0
    Today it is Zelensky with the G7 ambassadors in Donbass and the 200th at the Armed Forces of Ukraine. What will be the reaction of the ambassadors and what this threatens will soon find out
  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 12 February 2021 06: 55
    0
    It's a pity for people, many will die.
    1. King3214
      King3214 17 February 2021 12: 38
      0
      These people have chosen their own government, which wants to get rid of them.
  • Dainis
    Dainis 12 February 2021 15: 34
    0
    No victims allowed! Enough! Nada immediately hold a referendum and recognize Danbas! Or, in cases of aggression, strike with Calibers and Air Forces on all Bases and slopes, the Concentration of Troops. At the same time, conduct the Zapod 2021 exercises.
  • Inturist
    Inturist 12 February 2021 19: 52
    0
    The purpose of the disarmament process is to leave the Russians only the weapons they need for a civil war.
    © L. Shebarshin
  • Suslin
    Suslin 13 February 2021 08: 38
    0
    People's militia of the LDNR needs to work out the "fireball" on artillery exercises to counter the attempts of offensive actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Answer - answer like that!