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NASA is considering options for getting one seat on the Russian Soyuz

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NASA is considering options for getting one seat on the Russian Soyuz

The US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is considering getting one seat for an American astronaut on the Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz, which will travel to the ISS this spring. This is stated in a message from NASA.


As explained, NASA wants to hedge against unforeseen situations with American manned spacecraft. Obtaining an additional seat on the Russian Soyuz will ensure that at least one American astronaut is on the ISS.

An additional seat on the Soyuz provides the ability to support at least one US crew member on board the ISS in the event of problems with any of the (American - approx.) Spacecraft

- said in a statement.

NASA expects that the SpaceX spacecraft will be sent to the ISS on April 20, but does not rule out any "force majeure", therefore, they are considering the possibility of "getting an additional place in the upcoming spring rotation of the Soyuz crew for a NASA astronaut."

The Russian Soyuz MS-18 is due to travel to the ISS in April this year. Last year Roskosmos approved the main and backup crews of the 65th expedition. It is specified that in the spring a completely Russian crew will go into orbit, which includes Oleg Novitsky, Peter Dubov and Sergei Korsakov. The last time a crew consisting of only Russians flew in 2000 to the Mir station.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 10 February 2021 07: 53
    +8
    The old horse will not spoil the furrow!
    Reinsured.
    Or they have some kind of "secret knowledge" about the reliability of their "passenger private traders".
    And most likely - stupidly cheaper.
    1. Civil
      Civil 10 February 2021 07: 56
      0
      The Soviet Soyuz is still in service.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 February 2021 08: 04
        +12
        NASA is considering options for getting one seat on the Russian Soyuz

        "Side", near the toilet yes But for the price of "SV" ...

        What? Buy yes They still need to go.
        1. Civil
          Civil 10 February 2021 08: 08
          +4
          Quote: Insurgent
          "Side", near the toilet But at the price of "SV" ...

          Only in the working vestibule, but smoking is prohibited laughing
          1. Temples
            Temples 10 February 2021 08: 46
            -8
            Quote: Civil
            The Soviet Soyuz is still in service.

            Wake up slogan thrower.
            We have one country.
            People who created the first Unions on a well-deserved rest.
            Modern Unions make descendants of those who made the first.

            To oppose children to fathers is the business of ghouls.

            What about Musk and his super duper space exploration?
            Or, as usual, "it's not that."
            1. Thrall
              Thrall 10 February 2021 08: 59
              +1

              In connection with the stated, I have one question and one prediction:
              question - And the maximum?
              forecast - Nakarkali smile
        2. Pechkin
          Pechkin 10 February 2021 08: 15
          +4
          "Side", near the toilet  But for the price of "SV".
          Chef, two counters!
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 10 February 2021 08: 21
            +3
            Quote: Pechkin
            Chef, two counters!

            Now what? Correctlyyes - market economy
            Therefore, if a passenger has money and is in a hurry, and around other "cabbies" there is no point-blank request why not "spin" it?

            stop We have nothing to do with it No. ... They themselves instilled in us capitalism ... Let them taste the benefits to the fullest yes
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 11 February 2021 08: 22
              -1
              In fact, NASA is not going to pay.

              As she noted, NASA does not plan to purchase the Soyuz seat, as it has done in the past.
              https://spacenews.com/nasa-seeks-seat-on-april-soyuz-mission-to-iss/

              They offer to exchange according to the scheme "we give them one seat - they give us one seat".
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 11 February 2021 08: 58
                +1
                Quote: military_cat

                They offer to exchange according to the scheme "we give them one seat - they give us one seat".

                Will they provide Russia with that chair in the White House?
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 11 February 2021 09: 00
                  0
                  In the untested and unverified launch statistics ship of the scammer Musk.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 11 February 2021 09: 06
                    0
                    Quote: military_cat
                    In the untested and unverified launch statistics ship of the scammer Musk.

                    That a swindler, which perhaps the world has never seen, I agree.
                    After all, just the fact that for such a negligible period, without actually producing anything and not creating new technologies, somehow miraculously became the richest man on the planet - what is yes ...
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 10 February 2021 08: 33
          +6
          Quote: Insurgent

          What? Buy They still need to go.

          Yes-ah? So they like the moon have already staked out for themselves !!! Let the lunatics help them to "go"
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 10 February 2021 08: 36
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            Yes-ah? So they like the moon have already staked out for themselves !!!


            Yes, oh ... Who hasn't staked out anything there ...

            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 10 February 2021 10: 31
              0
              yes, credit ..... and Luntik is just killer
        4. Sibguest
          Sibguest 10 February 2021 08: 52
          -2
          Just about: sitting on the "allied" push.
        5. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 10 February 2021 09: 23
          +1
          Quote: Insurgent
          "Side", near the toilet But at the price of "SV" ...

          What? Buy They still need to go.

          Late. Previously, it was necessary to scratch and not PR.
          Our program was still lacking for the sake of their wishes to change.
        6. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 10 February 2021 10: 03
          0
          Quote: Insurgent
          NASA is considering options for getting one seat on the Russian Soyuz

          "Side", near the toilet yes But for the price of "SV" ...

          What? Buy yes They still need to go.

          If they don't "go", let them pay anyway! And for replacing one of ours with our own compensation and our "RosKosmos" and moral damage to the cosmonaut!
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 February 2021 08: 22
      -7
      Quote: Victor_B
      The old horse will not spoil the furrow!

      Only air lol
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 10 February 2021 09: 48
        0
        How is it, yesterday an article about how we are hopelessly lagging behind, and today the leaders are booking "just in case" we have places ?? Here not only the Moon was divided, Mars was already mastered - but into orbit on the bast shoe Soyuz!
        https://topwar.ru/179799-luna-kitaj-protiv-ssha-gde-budet-rossija.html - читать комменты, очень забавны
        1. Mykhalych
          Mykhalych 10 February 2021 10: 14
          0
          Quote: Nasr
          Well so, yesterday an article about how we are hopelessly behind, and today the leaders are booking "just in case" we have a place ?? Here not only the Moon was divided, Mars was already mastered - but into orbit on the bast shoe Soyuz!

          Their trampoline broke ..
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 10 February 2021 11: 50
          +1
          book "just in case"

          And what?? There are different cases.
          Ours recently almost went without food .. the leaders ..
          I had to insure myself with amer's grub ..

          "just in case" - this is exactly how it should be understood ..
    3. Cosm22
      Cosm22 10 February 2021 11: 06
      +6
      Stupidly cheaper?
      Remind you of the dynamics of the change in the "cheapness" of the cost of one seat for the United States in the Union, which was carried out by Roscosmos? From $ 20 million to $ 90 million?
      It was the irrepressible greed of Roscosmos that led to the end of the Russian monopoly on transportation to the ISS, and Musk quickly bungled his spacecraft. The Boeing CST-100 Starliner is also on its way.
      NASA's safety net is clear, purely theoretical. By the way, Roscosmos follows the same path. Back in May last year, the head of the press service of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Vladimir Ustimenko, said that the state corporation is considering the issue of flights of Russian cosmonauts to the ISS on the SpaceX ships of Ilona Mask.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 10 February 2021 07: 59
    +6
    (NASA) is considering getting one seat for an American astronaut on the Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz,
    Do not take! The hole will drill, on the way back the ship will crash. repeat
    1. Kart
      Kart 10 February 2021 09: 20
      +1
      The main thing is to look so that the radio tape recorder does not unscrew.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 10 February 2021 10: 18
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        The main thing is to look so that the radio tape recorder does not unscrew.

        So that he does not lay off our computer!
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 13 February 2021 13: 54
          +1
          Yes, he was dragged away for a long time, together with our lamps smile AX4B-533 Tube

          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 13 February 2021 14: 35
            +1
            Quote: AVA77
            Yes, he has been dragged away for a long time, together with our AX4B-533 Tube lamps

            There is such a "motherboard"

            read the review. They wrote about the conduits, but they modestly kept silent about what the anode of the lamp is powered by.
            1. AVA77
              AVA77 13 February 2021 15: 45
              0
              There is a shimka.
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 13 February 2021 16: 24
                0
                Quote: AVA77
                There is a shimka.

                Yeah, okay. Well done, they did it in an original way with sound.
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 10 February 2021 07: 59
    +5
    the SpaceX spacecraft will be sent to the ISS on April 20, but they do not rule out any "force majeure", therefore, they are considering the possibility of "obtaining additional space
    I cheated the taxi driver here - I gave money, I didn't go myself! Only in this way !!!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 February 2021 08: 28
      -3
      Quote: NDR-791
      I cheated the taxi driver here - I gave money, I didn't go myself!

      - I saved 20 rubles today
      - How?
      - I ran after the bus
      1. Ugochaves
        Ugochaves 10 February 2021 09: 31
        -1
        Next time for texi run, you will save more laughing... And let the Americans run after the "union" ... or flutter tongue
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 10 February 2021 09: 33
          -1
          Tried, did not catch up recourse lol
  4. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 10 February 2021 08: 03
    +3
    This is normal practice and just common sense and pragmatism ... there is money and opportunities ... why not play it safe by putting "eggs" in different baskets / delivery vehicles ...
    1. AUL
      AUL 10 February 2021 08: 19
      +5
      Is it okay that our crew has already been formed, tasks have been assigned to it, preparation has been carried out? And then my uncle comes and says - nafig from the beach, I'll lie down here! And we will break our plans, change our flight program? Won't their Kharya crack?
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 10 February 2021 08: 30
        -2
        Quote: AUL
        Is it okay that our crew has already been formed, tasks have been assigned to it, preparation has been carried out?

        And when they were worried about other people's problems
        No wonder they were called "NAGLOsax"
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 10 February 2021 08: 31
        +3
        Quote: AUL
        Is it okay that our crew has already been formed, tasks have been assigned to it, preparation has been carried out? And then my uncle comes and says - nafig from the beach, I'll lie down here! And we will break our plans, change our flight program? Won't their Kharya crack?

        And ours have already formed a bad habit - as soon as someone declares that we need you, we immediately, in order to strengthen, improve, detente, cooperation ... we take on board spies
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 10 February 2021 08: 35
        +1
        Quote: AUL
        Is it okay that our crew has already been formed, tasks have been assigned to it, preparation has been carried out? And then my uncle comes and

        And then my uncle comes and sniffs out everything and looks out, because nothing works for themselves. So how to spy on the "aggressor". !!!!
      4. Roman070280
        Roman070280 10 February 2021 11: 51
        +1
        are we going to break our plans, change our flight program? Won't their Kharya crack?

        Will not crack ..
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 February 2021 08: 29
      -1
      Quote: silberwolf88
      normal such practice and just common sense and pragmatism

      And a complete lack of conscience. About lifting sanctions, not a word
  5. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 10 February 2021 08: 26
    +2
    I don't understand the Americans. They have their own democratic and cheap chavnas, and they climb expensive totalitarian ones))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 February 2021 09: 01
      +3
      Well, Starliner isn't chauffeured yet. Although they say that Boeing is now on horseback, because the new administration (and not only the space one) is for it.
      Dragon flies - 3 manned in April. But the new administration doesn't like Musk. And now against SpaceX the case of infringement of people when hiring is underway.
      Attempts by the Department of Justice to get SpaceX to comply with the company's hiring requirements will be heard by a federal judge on March 18.

      A hearing date was set on Monday after lawyers for SpaceX, which is struggling with the subpoena, and the Justice Department met via videoconference with Judge Michael Wilner for a planning meeting. Wilner gave SpaceX lawyers a deadline of February 26 to submit a response to the Justice Department's request, after which the government could respond to SpaceX by March 12.

      The question of whether Elon Musk's space company discriminates against foreigners when hiring is evidenced by court records.

      An investigation was launched by the Immigrant Rights Division and Department staff after a job seeker, Fabian Hutter, complained that SpaceX discriminated against him when he was asked about his citizenship status during an interview for an associate technical strategist last March.


      The FAA also started playing with launch windows. Leading to transfers of 9s.

      Musk sells tickets to Dragon - Axium has already formed 1 crew - 10 days tour of which 2 flights and 8 days on the ISS:
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 10 February 2021 09: 34
        -4
        Quote: donavi49
        Axium has already formed 1 crew - 10 days tour of which 2 flights and 8 days on the ISS:

        And here it was not without a Jew lol
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 10 February 2021 09: 53
          +5
          There will be a battle with RK on Ax2 / 3:

          Tom Cruise and filmmaker Doug Lyman are expected to fly with professional equipment to shoot part of the film. Universal Pictures raised $ 200 million for the movie.

          Rogozin responds with his cosmic kin:
          Studio Yellow, Black and White and Ernst will direct the movie "Challenge" with a girl in the lead role.
      2. slipped
        slipped 10 February 2021 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: donavi49


        Memorial. Mlyn.
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 February 2021 11: 55
      +1
      What you don't understand is evident ..
      That is why it is written in Russian - "just in case" ..
      When our launch was postponed a couple of times, we had to beg for products from prative pindos .. And they just think a little ahead of time .. You never know, what cant still come out ..
      Which does not mean anything at all that they are climbing expensive totalitarian ones.
      1. Disant
        Disant 10 February 2021 17: 59
        0
        I had to beg for food from prative pindos ..

        did they sing, dance for this meal, or just stood for a while on one leg with an outstretched hand and beg?
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 February 2021 08: 54
    +2
    Too late to rush, the place is already packed. laughing
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 10 February 2021 09: 20
    +5
    In space affairs, there is no unnecessary safety net.
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 February 2021 09: 26
    0
    "NASA wants to hedge against unforeseen situations with US manned spacecraft." (c) Astronauts should be alert. winked Well, the place on the "Soyuz" to be drawn by lot by itself.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 10 February 2021 09: 36
      -3
      Quote: Captive
      Well, the place on the "Soyuz" to be drawn by lot by itself.

      Aha. Russian roulette lol
  9. U-58
    U-58 10 February 2021 09: 32
    0
    I believe that ours will agree. After all, everyone needs cabbage.
    However, I would include in the contract an additional certain amount of "compensation" for the flightless Russian katsmanaut as compensation for the expulsion from the crew.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 February 2021 10: 09
    -3
    NASA is considering options for getting one seat ...
    According to the principle "Mask is dear to us, but the truth is dearer"? The witnesses of this sect have a gap in their consciousness - how do they get a place on a Russian ship? This cannot be, because We have already said that Russia is hopelessly lagging behind and the Americans do not need its help in the delivery of crews. In fact, it turns out that life is much more prosaic.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 10 February 2021 11: 59
      +1
      In fact, it turns out that life is much more prosaic.


      And what turns out in fact ??
      We asked the Americans for food .. fact .. because - life is much more prosaic ..
      And it is not the Americans who ask to deliver their crew .. because this is not a fact yet .. But only "just in case" ..
      1. slipped
        slipped 10 February 2021 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: Roman070280
        And what turns out in fact ??
        We asked the Americans for food .. fact .. because - life is much more prosaic ..
        And it is not the Americans who ask to deliver their crew .. because this is not a fact yet .. But only "just in case" ..


        And in fact, the Americans usually ask for food and deliver their astronaut earlier.

        And Roskosmos will consider their proposals, I think the amount will already be more than $ 90 million. As previously they were advised to buy the ship in advance.

        Meanwhile, the space warhead with the Progress MS-16 cargo vehicle has already been assembled and sent to the general assembly of the rocket:

        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 10 February 2021 12: 28
          +1
          And in fact, the Americans usually ask for food and deliver their astronaut earlier.


          I don't remember what they asked .. They bought a place ..
          Which is completely different ..
          You can also say that the seller "asked" the Americans to buy.

          And Roskosmos will consider their proposals, I think the amount will already be more than $ 90 million.

          And he will consider, and even gladly agree!
          For the shop earning $ 90 million is, one way or another, hiding behind ..

          PS .. in general, the sums really came from amers .. So the blow to the RCS is big !!
          1. slipped
            slipped 10 February 2021 12: 34
            +4
            Quote: Roman070280
            I don't remember what they asked .. They bought a place ..
            Which is completely different ..


            Earlier, at the request of NASA, a seat was granted for Kathleen Rubins for $ 90 million. Prior to that, under the agreement, the cost of delivery was about $ 75 million.

            Quote: Roman070280
            You can also say that the seller "asked" the Americans to buy.


            No.

            Quote: Roman070280
            For the shop earning $ 90 million is, one way or another, hiding behind ..


            Russia now has two fully commercial spacecraft in production. Four seats have already been sold.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 10 February 2021 12: 39
              +2
              was given a seat for Kathleen Rubins for $ 90 million. Prior to that, under the agreement, the cost of delivery was about $ 75 million.

              So what??
              This is what I am writing about - earlier they received a hundred lamas for starting - and now there will be a "beard" ..

              No.
              You may not ... (we didn't get anything from this)
              But Roskosmos and Rogozin would definitely be glad to continue selling places in the Unions !!

              Russia currently has two fully commercial spacecraft in production.
              Well, God forbid ..
              In our plans, of course, we have an advantage over Pindos ..
              1. slipped
                slipped 10 February 2021 12: 44
                +1
                Quote: Roman070280
                So what??


                The answer to your question. Only. Roscosmos has not yet received any proposals from NASA for the spring start.

                Quote: Roman070280
                This is what I am writing about - earlier they received a hundred lamas for starting - and now there will be a "beard" ..


                And now there will be completely commercial ships for two passengers and one professional astronaut. And also one place is always reserved for a space flight participant in the Soyuz under the federal program, as before.
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 10 February 2021 12: 53
                  +2
                  The answer to your question. Only.

                  So I originally wrote that they did not ask, but bought places .. prudently !!
                  But our cosmonauts really did an ugly job ... they had to ask for it there ... in an emergency ...
                  Which is not the same thing ..
                  They also book now "just in case" .. what else is written with a pitchfork on the water .. And even this is only "considered" .. That is, it is written with a pitchfork on the water in a square ..
                  It's not even about "wrap the fish" .. but in general "a log in the eye" ..

                  А will now completely commercial ships for two passengers and one professional astronaut.

                  Maybe they will ..
                  Or maybe there will be 10 passengers ..
                  But not now ..
                  But the RKS is already losing money from amers ..

                  There is no need to pass off the Americans' ability to fly to the ISS themselves, for the "success" of Roscosmos.
                  As if we didn’t let passengers in just because we had to carry amers ..)))
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 10 February 2021 13: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    So I originally wrote that they did not ask, but bought places .. prudently !!


                    After the US abandoned its manned systems, Russia showed the so-called. "goodwill", on the delivery of astronauts under the American quota to the ISS at the commercial rates adopted in the general agreement on the ISS. Otherwise, NASA astronauts would not have been on the ISS for a long time. It was at the request of NASA that the astronauts were delivered.

                    Quote: Roman070280
                    But our cosmonauts really did an ugly job ... they had to ask for it there ... in an emergency ...


                    You have been misinformed. There is a barter exchange on the ISS. Everything else is sold for money. Offers for delivery by cargo ships exist on both sides. Both food and various equipment.

                    Quote: Roman070280
                    Maybe they will ..


                    Not "maybe they will." And there are specific ships and specific places.

                    Quote: Roman070280
                    But the RKS is already losing money from amers ..


                    Commercial spaceflight participants will not end there.

                    Quote: Roman070280
                    As if we didn’t let passengers in just because we had to carry amers ..)))


                    Passengers were launched too. The last to fly was an Arab recently.

                    1. Roman070280
                      Roman070280 10 February 2021 13: 27
                      +1
                      Russia has shown the so-called. "goodwill", for the delivery of astronauts

                      You even put the quotes yourself .. because you understand how it really is ..))

                      It was at the request of NASA that the astronauts were delivered.
                      Yes ash figs, that on request ..))
                      For if NATO did not want to, no one would have sent them by force as an astronaut ...

                      It's one thing to "ask" the store to sell you bread .. it's another thing to ask the store to give you some bread ..

                      Hope it's clearer now ..

                      There is a barter exchange on the ISS. All the rest sold for money... Offers for delivery by cargo ships exist on both sides. Both food and various equipment.

                      Did you think well what you wrote ??)
                      I am already writing a bunch of posts above about the fact that the Americans BOUGHT places for money .. and this article is also only about what they CONSIDER .. "just in case" .. BUY ..
                      They have something to fly .. they can buy a place from us, they can not buy it .. not critical .. But for patriots this is a reason for joy ..))
                      Our cosmonaut did not have such a choice - to eat or not to eat for several days ..


                      You were misinformed. Or you ..
                      "Due to the change in the launch date of the Progress cargo spacecraft, the Russian cosmonauts currently in orbit were left without food." We received, in my opinion, 13 containers with food rations from the American side, "cosmonaut Sergei Ryzhikov said during a regular communication session with the Mission Control Center. "

                      "Russia requested US to deliver Russian food to the International Space Station (ISS). The Americans replied that there would be enough food supplies on the ISS for everyone. And you won't have to pay for it. "American food is donated to our astronauts", - said the head of the nutrition department of the Institute of Medical and Biological Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences"

                      Remember the difference - BUY in a bread store (a place for an American astronaut), or ASK from the store ..

                      Not "maybe they will." And there are specific ships and specific places.
                      How much specific money did RKS earn? That's right - zero.
                      But the losses from the Americans are real.

                      Commercial spaceflight participants will not end there.
                      Let it begin first .. And then ships and meringue places of money - so-so commerce ..


                      Passengers were launched too. The last to fly was an Arab recently.
                      Well, well .. then there was money from the Arab, and from the Amers .. Now from the Amers there will be no more .. Even here "victory" is not clear ..))
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 10 February 2021 13: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Roman070280
                        You even put the quotes yourself .. because you understand how it really is ..))


                        Quotation marks set off the commonly used phrase. So it really is. What does the expression "goodwill policy" mean, you can read on the net.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        For if NATO did not want to, no one would have sent them by force as an astronaut ...


                        The ISS is primarily a joint project of Russia and the United States with their own satellites. So that this project in general exists and astronauts are sent by our "Soyuz" according to the American crew quota for nine years.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        It's one thing to "ask" the store to sell you bread .. it's another thing to ask the store to give you some bread ..


                        In this context, it doesn't matter anymore. As I say in "Soyuz MS" the third place is now always reserved for the UKP.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Did you think well what you wrote ??)


                        Is something bothering you? lol

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Our cosmonaut did not have such a choice - to eat or not to eat for several days ..


                        As I say, you have been misinformed. We had the opportunity to deliver their rations on an American truck as they deliver their rations and equipment on ours. It was the proposal of the Americans not to use the delivery, but to use what is on the ISS and was accepted in the end.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And you won't have to pay for it.


                        For free and the vinegar is sweet. laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        How much specific money did RKS earn? That's right - zero.


                        Wrong. Commercial ships have already been sold for money. No one would produce them without money. Is this clear? laughing These ships are not included in the production of ships for the ISS program.
                      2. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 10 February 2021 14: 03
                        +1
                        Quotation marks set off the commonly used phrase. So it really is. What does the expression "goodwill policy" mean, you can read on the net.

                        I will not read ..
                        That's enough. which is not "of good will", but for money ..))

                        The ISS is primarily a joint project of Russia and the United States with their own satellites. For this project in general to exist and astronauts sent by our "Soyuz" according to the American crew quota for nine years.
                        That's right .. Plus also for the money !!


                        In this context, it doesn't matter anymore. As I say in "Soyuz MS" the third place is now always reserved for the UKP.

                        Of course it doesn't matter ..
                        For one, regular high-paying reserve of Americans has been replaced by EXACTLY no more paid and no more regular reserve for someone there ..

                        Are you worried about something? lol

                        Yes .. it worries you that you suddenly remembered that:
                        "There is a barter exchange on the ISS. Everything else is sold for money."


                        As I say, you have been misinformed.
                        Or you ..
                        We had the opportunity deliver your food rations in an American truck

                        the proposal of the Americans not to use the delivery, but to use what is on the ISS and was accepted in the end.

                        Right .. you had the opportunity to buy bread in the store .. but you were offered a handout in front of the store .. which was what you accepted in the end .. And this is called the norm ..
                        But the advance purchase (not the fact that it will still be) by the amers of a place in the Union "just in case," for some reason is presented under the slogan "life is much more prosaic" ..
                        Such are our prose writers ..)))

                        For free and the vinegar is sweet. laughing
                        This is also prosaic ..))

                        Wrong. Commercial ships have already been sold for money. No one would produce them without money. Is this clear? laughing
                        That is, these are other ships, and not on which the Americans were busy ?? And the money from these ships does not interfere with the payments that the Americans did to us ??
                        There were these commercial, plus a hundred lyam from amers .. now there is no American money .. And ?? What was the reasoning then ??)
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 10 February 2021 14: 24
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                        Quote: Roman070280

                        I will not read ..
                        That's enough. which is not "of good will", but for money ..))


                        You start to fall into sophistry. In vain, they would have read it to broaden their horizons.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        That's right .. Plus also for the money !!


                        Capitalism.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Of course it doesn't matter ..
                        For one, regular high-paying reserve of Americans has been replaced by EXACTLY no more paid and no more regular reserve for someone there ..


                        There is already a queue.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Yes .. it worries you that you suddenly remembered that:
                        "There is a barter exchange on the ISS. Everything else is sold for money."


                        So by convention.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        but you were offered a handout in front of the store .. which was accepted by you in the end ..


                        Do not exaggerate so much. laughing This is due to your ignorance of the processes taking place on the ISS. The ISS crew is one whole.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        But the advance purchase (not the fact that it will still be) by amers of a place in the Union "just in case"


                        This is not an "advance purchase" - it is an attempt to board a departing train. Therefore, it will cost them too much.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        That is, these are other ships, and not on which the Americans were busy ??


                        Yes. These are completely commercial ships. The launch operator is Glavkosmos.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And the money from these ships does not interfere with the payments that the Americans did to us ??


                        All this money is called the sources of extra-budgetary funding.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        There were these commercial, plus a hundred lyam from amers .. now there is no American money .. And ??


                        There will be other money. From other UKPs. Are you seriously so dumb? laughing Personally, I'm already tired of telling you basic truths.
                      4. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 10 February 2021 14: 50
                        +1
                        You start to fall into sophistry. In vain, they would have read it to broaden their horizons.
                        And what do I subtract ?? That apart from "goodwill" could they be forced to ask the temple with a pistol ??) No need for this ..

                        Capitalism.
                        In this case, the capitalism of Roskosmos with amers is covered with a copper basin .. Perhaps these 90 lyamas will be the last of them .. If ever there will be any more ..

                        There is already a queue.
                        Therefore, the American will again be driven for 90 Lyam .. although there is a queue around the corner .. Oh ..))))

                        So by convention.
                        And it also happens otherwise or what ?? Maybe in this article somewhere above it was written that this time "under duress" ??

                        Do not exaggerate so much. laughing This is due to ignorance of the processes taking place on the ISS. The ISS crew is one whole.

                        Well, yes .. it's only in your knowledge of the processes, the ISS crew is one whole only when we run out of food .. not all of us, but us !! This is how it is - whole ..
                        And as soon as it is necessary to deliver someone to the ISS .. and even for money .. by agreement .. capitalism, etc., then here immediately our union, and your trampoline .. and slogans about the prosaic nature of life ..
                        This is, if not exaggerating ..

                        This is not an "advance purchase" - it is an attempt to board a departing train.
                        From whom and where does the train leave ?? How many of ours and Americans are on the ISS now ?? Whose train and in what proportions delivered them there?

                        Therefore, it will cost them too much.
                        Not too much .. This is Rogozin, in the event of their NOT flying it will be expensive .. For he no less needs to get money instead of
                        sending our cosmonaut .. Where will he get another 90 Lyamov ..
                        Oh yeah .. there is a line around the corner ..))

                        All this money is called the sources of extra-budgetary funding.

                        This is very important information, as they are called .. For some, it is even much more important than the NUMBER of such sources ..


                        There will be other money. From other UKPs. Are you seriously so dumb? laughing
                        Will .. I already wrote .. someday ..
                        Only those who think that one customer is no worse than two is stupid here.
                        Moreover, that second one paid a lot and regularly .. AND INSTEAD of him ("These are completely commercial ships. The launch operator is Glavkosmos.") There is no one yet ..


                        PS .. Previously, ours constantly drove amers for money .. when the Americans refused - they decided that three of ours would fly .. And those guys that stood in line - did not wait to leave ?? Or money was not offered ?? Or is it not interesting for our people to ride them for money, but it is interesting to ride only Americans out of great love ??
                        (This is not to be stupid at all) ..
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 10 February 2021 15: 31
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And what do I subtract ??


                        Sophistry. laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        In this case, the capitalism of Roskosmos with amers is covered with a copper basin .. Perhaps these 90 lyamas will be the last of them .. If ever there will be any more ..


                        Are you in that comment thread? laughing Read the title. There may already be more than $ 90 million.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Therefore, the American will again be driven for 90 Lyam .. although there is a queue around the corner .. Oh ..))))


                        Whoa. The seat on the Soyuz MS-18 has already been taken. NASA will have to offer in return something we really need and it will not only be a lot of money.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Maybe in this article somewhere above it was written that this time "under duress" ??


                        I didn’t say that about the "pistol at the temple".

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        when we ran out of food .. not all of us, but us !! This is how it is - whole ..


                        We took it from the Americans, write about it yourself. laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        then here immediately our union, and your trampoline .. and slogans about the prosaic nature of life ..
                        This is, if not exaggerating ..


                        So he really is ours, and their trampoline. They said it themselves. Remind me? lol

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        From whom and where does the train leave ??


                        Soyuz MS-18 flies to the ISS in April.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        How many of ours and Americans are on the ISS now ?? Whose train and in what proportions delivered them there?


                        Two astronauts and four astronauts. The station's crew is three - two cosmonauts and one astronaut delivered there for money on our ship. The rest of the astronauts are the visiting crew.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        For some, this is even more important than the NUMBER of such sources ..


                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And INSTEAD of him ("These are completely commercial ships. The launch operator is Glavkosmos.") There is no one yet ..


                        I tell you what is, but you continue to blunt. laughing We have two sales operators - This is Space Adventures, which earlier delivered tourists to the ISS and now Glavkosmos. This year the ship is flying from SA. In the next two from Glavkosmos.
                      6. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 10 February 2021 15: 54
                        +1
                        Read the title. There may already be more than $ 90 million.


                        In this case, the capitalism of Roskosmos with amers is covered with a copper basin .. Perhaps these 90 (maybe more) lyams will be the last ones from them .. If there are any more ..

                        Whoa. The seat on the Soyuz MS-18 has already been taken. NASA will have to offer in return something we really need and it will not only be a lot of money.
                        Well, since you decided so ..))
                        I'll tell you a secret, "something we really need" - it's even less than 90 lemons ..
                        Because that notorious "queue" somehow did not bother to take the place of the Amers ..

                        I didn’t say that about the "pistol at the temple".
                        But you said that everything is sold by agreement ..
                        So by convention.
                        Therefore, I was forced to clarify - And it also happens otherwise or what? Maybe in this article somewhere above it was written that this time "under duress" ??

                        We took it from the Americans, write about it yourself. laughing
                        I write that taking food from the Americans for the patriots is not a mess .. but when they CONSIDER the option of BUYING a place "just in case" is "life is much more prosaic."

                        So he really is ours, and their trampoline. They said it themselves. Remind me?
                        The food was really American too .. and not ours ..
                        I remind you !!

                        Soyuz MS-18 flies to the ISS in April.

                        NASA expects the SpaceX spacecraft to be sent to the ISS on April 20 .. Next what ??


                        Two astronauts and four astronauts.
                        Okay .. let's say 2 + 4 = 7 ..

                        Whose train and in what proportions delivered them there?
                        There was no answer ..

                        I tell you what is, but you continue to blunt.
                        What is - I say it ..
                        And there is the fact that the American funding source is running out .. There it is !!
                        And you tell me
                        There will be other money.

                        I'm not going to argue with what will or will not be ..

                        We have two operators Sales
                        At least 100500 ..
                        1. We're talking about buyers ..
                        2. About buyers in exchange for the Americans .. For other commercial launches exist on their own, and in no way cancel out the losses from the non-flight of astronauts on our Union ..


                        and you keep blunting

                        Previously, our people constantly drove amers for money .. when the Americans refused - they decided that three of ours would fly .. And those guys that were in line - left without waiting? Or money was not offered ?? Or is it not interesting for our people to ride them for money, but it is interesting to ride only Americans out of great love ??
                        (This is not to be stupid at all) ..
                      7. slipped
                        slipped 10 February 2021 16: 26
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        In this case, the capitalism of Roskosmos with amers is covered with a copper basin .. Perhaps these 90 (maybe more) lyams will be the last ones from them .. If there are any more ..


                        Apparently you live in your own little world. laughing Wait for the list of crews for this year. He's already getting ready.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Well, since you decided so ..))


                        Not. This is how it is written in this article. "It is clarified that in the spring a completely Russian crew will go into orbit, which includes Oleg Novitsky, Peter Dubov and Sergey Korsakov."

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I'll tell you a secret, "something we really need" - it's even less than 90 lemons ..
                        Because that notorious "queue" somehow did not bother to take the place of the Amers ..


                        Where is the "place of amers"? Re-read once again who is part of the Soyuz MS-18 crew, judging by this article. Apparently you think that we only have this one ship laughing We have THREE ships flying to the station this year.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        I write that taking food from Americans for patriots is not a bad idea ..


                        You have some kind of flawed opinion. Are you a patriot?

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        but when they CONSIDER the option of BUYING "just in case" the place - it's "life is much more prosaic."


                        So let them consider, this is their right. We are waiting for specific proposals, how and what they can give us for the flight of their astronaut on our spacecraft, where there is already a crew. They didn't bother with it beforehand. Let them stand in line like the others, then the flight will cost them less.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        The food was really American too .. and not ours ..
                        I remind you !!


                        Yes, no difference. A new replenishment of the ISS RS will start on the 15th.

                        Quote: Roman070280

                        NASA expects the SpaceX spacecraft to be sent to the ISS on April 20 .. Next what ??


                        You have something wrong with the causation. It is not for us to fly on an American ship. laughing laughing laughing

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Okay .. let's say 2 + 4 = 7 ..


                        Be dumb again. The station's crew is now three. Delivered by Soyuz MS-17. And four astronauts of the visiting expedition. Delivered by Crew Dragon. You are confusing OE and EF. And they haven't learned to count either. winked

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Previously, our people constantly drove amers for money .. when the Americans refused, they decided that three of ours would fly ..


                        Three of ours are flying according to the previously outlined plan, since the additional equipment of the MLM-U "Nauka" module launched this year is required. laughing In addition, the number of people in the Russian ISS crew is increasing to three according to our quota. Our Soyuz MS-18 crew has nothing to do with the Americans.

                        Quote: Roman070280
                        And those guys who stood in line - left without waiting?


                        I am telling you again that this year there will be a commercial "Soyuz MS". Separate ship. Apparently, you do not understand simple things.
                      8. Roman070280
                        Roman070280 11 February 2021 10: 10
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                        Apparently you live in your own little world. laughing Wait for the crew list for this year. He's already getting ready.

                        I asked in Russian - how many came to replace amers ?? Why, when the Americans paid, they were happily driven .. as soon as they stopped paying, they had to take all the seats with their own cosmonauts .. because the others "from the queue" did not come ..
                        Wait for yours, they will, they are preparing, and so on - this is the usual balabolki ..


                        Not. This is how it is written in this article.

                        Don’t lie .. anywhere in the article it was not written that "NASA will have to offer in return something we really need and it will not only be a lot of money."

                        It is exclusively you who decided so !!


                        Where is the "place of amers"?
                        Stop pretending to be stupider than you really are ..
                        The place of amers is the places for which they used to pay Roscosmos all the time .. As soon as the Americans stopped paying, three of us have to fly right away .. For the "queue" was only in someone's head .. but in fact no one came with loot ..


                        You have some kind of flawed opinion.
                        The flawed opinion of those patriots who didn’t take food from the Americans .. but when they CONSIDER the option of BUYING a place “just in case” is “life is much more prosaic” .. These are people who walk with logs under their eyes, but laugh at others .. He is such a patriotism ..))

                        So let them consider, this is theirs right.
                        Yesterday I wrote exactly the same thing ..
                        We asked the Americans for food .. fact .. because - life is much more prosaic ..
                        And it is not the Americans who ask to deliver their crew .. because this is not a fact yet .. But only "just in case" ..

                        I would say right away - this is their right .. and there would be no need to crush water in a mortar ..))

                        Yes, no difference. A new replenishment of the ISS RS will start on the 15th.
                        The sky is blue and the grass is green ..
                        Before you answer, read first ..))


                        You have something wrong with the causation.
                        And there was no talk about the reasons ..
                        The question was completely different ..

                        From whom and where does the train leave ??

                        Soyuz MS-18 flies to the ISS in April.

                        NASA expects the SpaceX spacecraft to be sent to the ISS on April 20 .. Next what ??

                        The Americans have more seats in the spacecraft, and now there are no less of them on the ISS .. So the train moved .. but definitely not in the direction of Rogozin !!

                        Be dumb again. The station's crew is now three. Delivered by Soyuz MS-17. AND
                        four astronauts of the visiting expedition. Delivered by Crew Dragon
                        ... You are confusing OE and EF. winked


                        Again, be blunt .. And, at the same time, you are trying to speak your teeth with your OE and EP .. pretending that it matters ..
                        And the question was much easier .. Remind me ??
                        From whom and where does the train leave ?? How many of ours and Americans are on the ISS now ?? Whose train and in what proportions delivered them there?
                        So, we found out - "four astronauts of the visiting expedition. Delivered by Crewe Dragon"
                        It seems quite clearly visible - from whom and where the train is leaving !!


                        And they haven't learned to count either.

                        Two astronauts and four astronauts.
                        This is from those who have not learned ..
                        I got seven ...

                        Three of our fly according to the previously planned plan, since it is required to retrofit the MLM-U "Science" module launched this year. laughing Besides, the number of people in the Russian crew of the ISS increases to three according to our quota. Our Soyuz MS-18 crew has nothing to do with the Americans.

                        That's what we are talking about - this "previously outlined plan" only because the Americans refused to pay and fly earlier !! As long as the Americans paid, they could rake any money, and it was mega profitable for RKS ..
                        As soon as the Americans refused, you make a tortured, sour face and say that "but now more of ours will fly" ..
                        Although I wrote yesterday that there is a line around the corner of those who wish.


                        I tell you again that this year there will be a commercial "Union MS". Separate ship. Apparently, you do not understand simple things.


                        So don't talk about a separate ship .. Why do we need a separate one ??) From it, the money will come separately, and there will be its own costs .. This is a completely different niche .. Which does NOT compensate in ANY way for the loss of hundreds of Llamas from the Americans for their delivery on the ISS ..
                        Remind me ??

                        This is what I am writing about - earlier they received a hundred lamas for starting - and now there will be a "beard" ..



                        And now there will be completely commercial ships for two passengers and one professional astronaut. And also one place is always reserved for a space flight participant in the Soyuz under the federal program, as before.


                        You yourself mixed the two types of launches yesterday .. justifying the loss of money from the Americans with commercial launches ..
                2. slipped
                  slipped 10 February 2021 15: 46
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                  Quote: Roman070280

                  PS .. Previously, ours constantly drove amers for money


                  Read the article https://spacenews.com/glavkosmos-to-sell-seats-on-soyuz-missions/
  • Mikhail Ya2
    Mikhail Ya2 11 February 2021 09: 22
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    Why think about it. The original article refers to a proposal from NASA to provide free places on the Soyuz against the future place on the Dragon. For the money, they don't even consider flying on the Soyuz
    1. slipped
      slipped 11 February 2021 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: Michael Ya2
      The original article refers to a proposal from NASA to provide free places on the Soyuz against the future place on the Dragon.


      In fact, Russia previously made it clear that the flights of Russian cosmonauts to the Crewe Dragon are possible only after this ship has accumulated safety statistics for its flights. At the same time, another cosmonaut on the ISS is required this year, and not sometime in the future.
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 12 February 2021 23: 57
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        That means they will refuse the Americans. But they made it clear that they would not pay more for seats in the Unions
        1. slipped
          slipped 13 February 2021 02: 51
          +1
          Quote: Michael Ya2
          But they made it clear that they would not pay more for seats in the Unions


          there have been no specific proposals yet
          1. Mikhail Ya2
            Mikhail Ya2 13 February 2021 08: 50
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            He plans to purchase it without exchanging cash.


            NASA announced it officially
            1. slipped
              slipped 13 February 2021 11: 53
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              Quote: Michael Ya2
              He plans to purchase it without exchanging cash.


              NASA announced it officially


              in the media? laughing
              1. Mikhail Ya2
                Mikhail Ya2 13 February 2021 17: 51
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                Well no. On the official website https://beta.sam.gov/opp/4da33276ec1543428e3e5e6da9440533/view?keywords=80JSC021ISE&sort=-relevance&index=&is_active=true&page=1
                1. slipped
                  slipped 13 February 2021 19: 20
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                  This is not a NASA site, this is a US government procurement site. And the page, by the way, did not open. But it is not important. We are talking about an official appeal - it has not happened yet.
  • grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 10 February 2021 14: 57
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    It would be possible to sell the entire ship, if they paid with launch services three years in advance in rubles.
  • eklmn
    eklmn 10 February 2021 17: 43
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    So what does NASA want and what does Russia want?
    We look at the root (original, translated by Google):
    https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/nasa-wants-a-soyuz-seat-this-spring-as-backup-plan/
    “NASA wants to negotiate the use of a seat on the Russian Soyuz spacecraft this spring in case something goes wrong with US commercial vehicles. SpaceX Crew Dragon flew four astronauts to the International Space Station in the fall, and another flight is scheduled for April 20, but the agency wants to provide "unlike redundancy" by being able to use Soyuz. He plans to purchase it without exchanging cash.
    Bill Gerstenmeier, then head of NASA's manned space flight program, told a congressional committee in January 2018 that a fundamental agreement had been reached between NASA and its Russian counterpart, Roscosmos, "and they are identifying the appropriate means to implement this plan." The idea was that neither side would pay, essentially swapping places in each other's systems.
    Three years later, Russia still disagreed.

    This evening, NASA issued a seat swap bid on the International Space Station with offers of up to 10 days.
    In a statement, NASA's acting director of the ISS program, Robin Gatetens, said this is in line with NASA's desire for a backup plan - "unlike redundancy" - to guard against problems that might arise. "We look forward to the next crew change on NASA's SpaceX Crew-2 mission, and we hope we can continue to make the most of our station and minimize any risk by flying an American astronaut on the upcoming Spring Union, in-kind service."

    In short, the Americans want to get consent from Russia for a free one place in the Union within 10 days, and this will be the beginning of free rotations of American and Russian cosmonauts. If Russia says to pay $$$ in 10 days, then there are options ...
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 11 February 2021 22: 46
      +1
      What are the problems? .. Send them a "chair"! Let them "use". After all, they write, (literally) "agree on the use of the chair."
  • Antokha
    Antokha 10 February 2021 19: 38
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    The issue of the state's prestige. If we agree, it will be about as mercifully skipping a boor on the road, which at the last moment from the middle lane climbs to the left, ahead of those who respectably stand in line to turn. There are two problems: the ham initially stands in the wrong place (the request time has already been missed, since the crew is formed), and brazenly climbs forward (kicks out our guy, and even does it with some kind of semi-ultimatums, without even considering the possibility of refusal). What needs to be done is exactly what respectable drivers do with the above boors. They are not allowed in without explanation. No, and that's it. Denied. We cannot (probably) stop selling engines to them, because this is a commercial agreement, and perhaps American businessmen themselves are not happy with the sanctions against us. But NASA is pure politics, it is a state. Refusal to her should be presented as a counter-sanction, and be her. And we don't need their ships in FIG.
    1. eklmn
      eklmn 11 February 2021 23: 10
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      "A question of the prestige of the state."
      Interesting idea! When the Americans paid $ 90 million for the flight and Rogozin spent this money on hell knows what, so the prestige of Russia was high (or am I mistaken?). And when the Americans asked for barter, so-na-so, the Americans became boors ... The logic is still the same ...
      By the way, let me remind you that the third seat in the Union is used for cargo. The cargo can be delivered by the Americans with their own cargo.
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 12 February 2021 11: 06
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        Do not interfere with Rogozin and the prestige of the state. By the way, I don’t know what he spent his money on. Maybe for business. The Americans did not become boors, they were, are and will be. We are monkeys for them. The prestige of the state suffered all the time we took them to the ISS, and a lot when else. It is necessary to put an end to this. We are now not dependent on America in any way, so there is no point in humiliating ourselves at all. The Americans' proposal is an order, they do not think in other categories. They should receive a clear refusal. We look in the eyes and say NO.
        Everything is measured not by money alone. We have. They have them alone. And then you can come to rent a wife to another man for money. The Americans have made such a film. And what, is idle.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 10 February 2021 21: 54
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    About ... let go, let them wait for the next one. In this, all the places are taken.
    Or should we plant our own for them?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 February 2021 22: 42
    +1
    Better to send Navalny into space, in this free space. And there, they will leave. In space, hold a meeting as much as you like.