The story ... of the "monster"

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Today we are looking at illustrations from a very old edition of 1917 showing the first English tank in action. Some of the illustrations are drawings. The other part is drawings made from photographs - for example, such as this one. The author clearly saw the Mk I tank up close!

We can learn about any event only when information about it becomes available. Let's say out of print. What did the press report about the first tanksthat appeared on the battlefield in 1916?

“I looked, and, behold, a white horse, and on him a rider with a bow, and a crown was given to him; and he came out victorious, and to conquer. "
(Revelation of John the Evangelist, 6: 1)

Tanks of the world. In 1917, an album-format edition entitled "The Great War" was printed in Russia. It contained many interesting photographs, including colored linotypes that were pasted separately (!). But today we will get acquainted only with those who showed his readers the tanks of that time in battle! And let's get acquainted with one very curious document. So, on the road through the pages of the publication, which is more than 100 years old! Well, we will begin with a lyrical remark about the depression that reigned in August 1916 at the headquarters of the commander of the British forces in France, Sir Douglas Haig. Losses in the troops entrusted to him grew catastrophically, but there were no results. And then he received a message that there were secret vehicles "tanks" with which he could try to break through the German front. And he immediately demanded the maximum possible number of these machines for the offensive planned for September 15. Colonel Ernst Swinton of the Royal Corps of Engineers and other participants in the tank project demanded to wait until more tanks could be accumulated so that the effect of their sudden use would be overwhelming. Moreover, it was precisely this point of view that the French adhered to. Secretly from their British allies, they also worked on their "tanks", or "ball d'assaut" (chars d'assaut - letters, assault vehicle) and wanted to accumulate them as much as possible so that at the first opportunity they could use them en masse in 1917 g.




The First World War required not just a lot, but a lot to the extreme!

The reasonableness of the arguments of all those who wanted to strike a completely unprepared enemy unexpectedly, and most importantly - when a new weapons there will be many. But those who assumed that there was no point in building many expensive machines without testing their potential in real combat were also right. Be that as it may, Swinton prepared a manual for the tankers of the British Expeditionary Force, although it got into active units much later, on September 15. Nothing was done to train the actions of tanks with infantry. This is due to the "thick fog" of secrecy and a veil of the strictest secrecy, from which very often there is more harm than from carelessness and laxity. In general, at the headquarters, some said one thing, while others - another, and no one listened to each other. A number of officers, having examined the tanks, claimed that the enemy artillery would immediately shoot them, since they are large and represent an excellent target, but, by the way, for some reason, no one took into account the banal circumstance that fear has large eyes, and that German gunners will have ... just shake your hands!

In the end, Haig made the decision to move the tanks on the enemy. 32 tanks out of the sent 50 reached their starting position. The vehicles were positioned on an eight-kilometer front and moved forward, accompanied by dense lines of British infantry. And it turned out, although not immediately, that where the tanks acted alone, and if they did not break down and did not get stuck ahead of time, all enemy fire weapons began to fire on them, and as a result they were struck. However, when the tanks went in groups, as, for example, in the open area near the village of Fleur, they managed to suppress the enemy's firepower and move forward without much loss. So, much to Colonel Swinton's satisfaction, the very first tank attack met all his hopes. Tanks easily crushed wire barriers, overcame ditches, trenches and shell craters with relative ease, and the infantry, not even trained to interact with tanks, instantly learned this and went forward under their cover.


It was believed that the rear wheels would facilitate the tank's cross-country ability and maneuvering, but this did not happen.

But those who scolded the tanks were also satisfied. Breakdowns reached about 50 percent, and this is when moving only a distance of several kilometers. And under Fleur, a real battle broke out between tanks and German artillery, which revealed a very serious flaw in the tank's design. The fact is that the tank commander, who was sitting high and having a good view, had nothing to do with the gunners. Noticing the enemy cannon and determining its location relative to the tank, the commander had to leave his place, go up to the shooter sitting in the sponson, and, trying to shout down the roar of the engine, tell the one where to look, and then shoot. Then he had to go back and give the order to the driver: where to go and brake so that the shooter could see the target, aim and shoot. No wonder the shooters were instructed:

“Shoot low, not high. Better to let your shell throw sand in the eyes of the enemy gunner than whistle over his head. "

But then, when a new target arose, the commander again had to hurry to the shooter, that is, back and forth on the tank, he, poor, ran almost continuously. Such were the features of the then observation devices and sights, which stood on the 57-mm guns of the Mk I.


The Germans are running from the tank!

But on September 15th, it wasn't just artillery that posed a threat to British tanks. The British did not know that the Germans in 1915 began the production of armor-piercing bullets designed to defeat the armor plates with which the British protected the embrasures of their firing points. And these bullets also pierced the armor of the first British tanks, although not always. Success in an integrated approach - the British decided, and this was the most important conclusion they made after the September 15 attack. So, during the battle for the Gerd Trench defense sector, there was only one single tank, but supported by the fire of British artillery and aviation, which bombed the Germans and fired at them at low level flight, showed how it is quite easy to break the enemy's resistance, and the infantry to occupy enemy trenches at the cost of very small losses.


And here they surrender to him!

As for Haig, his respect for the new weapon was so great that even before the Battle of the Somme ended, he consolidated his status in the army, placing the tanks under the command of a separate headquarters, which was later destined to become the Headquarters of the Panzer Corps. Haig appointed Lieutenant Colonel Hugh Illes as corps commander, and Captain Giffard LeQue Martel as chief of staff. Both were sappers, possessed some technical knowledge, were good officers and, most importantly, had already dealt with tanks before that. And a few months later, an infantry officer, who later became chief of staff, and also a well-known personality, Major John Frederick Charles Fuller, appeared in this corps. Ironically, Fuller despised the conservative "old school" military, but was tolerated because he was clearly talented, which eventually made him one of the foremost military specialists in the British army of his time.


Here the tank itself is not drawn correctly. But the fighting German soldiers are shown accurately. Moreover, the figure on the left attracts himself: he is wearing an assault helmet with a supra-forehead patch, and he throws a screw grenade on a long rod into the tank

From the end of November 1916 to April 9, 1917, Illes, together with his officers, worked tirelessly to generalize the experience of the battles on the Somme, trying to increase, as far as possible, the combat effectiveness of tanks and turn these clumsy vehicles into weapons of victory. It also helped that the number of tanks coming from factories in England grew like an avalanche, and the tanks themselves were constantly being improved. So, according to reports that German bullets pierce their armor at right angles, it immediately led to an increase in its thickness to 12-16 mm. Then the rear steering wheels were removed from the tanks, which turned out to be unnecessary. But in the battle of Arras in April 1917, 60 Mk I and Mk II tanks still had old armor and were hit by such bullets. But on the way were already completely new Mk IV, which appeared already in June.


Camouflage is clearly visible in this photo ...

At the same time, massive design studies were carried out. We worked on a project of a 100-ton heavy tank (which, due to the high cost, they decided not to produce) and on a 14-ton vehicle at a speed of 13 km / h (a "medium tank" of the "A" brand, then known as "Whippet"); with the same reliable armor as the Mk IV, and machine-gun armament. Meanwhile, a more powerful engine was already being created for the successor product of the Mk IV, the designers were completing a new control system, making it so that only one person could drive the tank without the involvement of assistants.


"Bagpipers, go ahead!" - were commanded by the officers of the Scottish regiments, and they were the first to rise and go to attack the German trenches, and everyone else rushed after them. The losses in such attacks were enormous

How did Russia react to all this? After all, we did not have our own tanks then. There was no need to even think about the supply of tanks from the British to the Eastern Front, but it was necessary to know about the new weapon, right? And in the bowels of the GAU an interesting document was born, which makes sense to cite here completely, removing from it only the archaic YAT and FITU ...

"Tanks" (land battleships)

I
Origin


This new weapon of death first appeared on the Western Front in the September battles of 1916, terrifying the Germans.

The British invented it, jokingly calling this weapon of serious quality the word "tank", which means "monster" in Russian.

II
The device and appearance of the "Tank"


"Tank" is an armored vehicle, but without wheels, it has an oval shape with pointed noses, flat on the sides and rounded at the top and bottom: at the back there are two wheels for turning the "tank" in the desired direction; in its shape, it resembles a hammer for crushing stones, used on the construction of highways and pavements.

Its height in the middle reaches 5-6 fathoms; width - up to 2,5; on level ground, when standing, both noses are always raised.

Armored balconies with hatches for guns and machine guns are arranged on both sides and on top, which open for firing and then automatically slam shut. The whole mechanism is in a thick steel shell, quite elastic resistance, 10-12 millimeters thick, also twice as thick as the armor of ordinary armored vehicles, which our pointed bullet does not penetrate even from 60 steps.

Thus, "tanks" are completely invulnerable to machine-gun and rifle fire, even from the closest distances.

Shooting at "tanks" with shrapnel is pointless, since the bullets bounce off their tires. But the "tanks" are afraid of any high-explosive shell, whatever caliber they are, as well as bomb and mortars, hits from which instantly disable them ... "

Pretty funny text, isn't it?
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  1. +11
    14 February 2021 06: 24
    And it turned out, although not immediately, that where the tanks acted alone, and if they did not break down and did not get stuck ahead of time, all enemy fire weapons began to fire on them, and as a result they were struck. However, when the tanks went in groups, as, for example, in the open area near the village of Fleur, they managed to suppress the enemy's firepower and move forward without much loss.
    And this should be carefully read by those who, in disputes "about the uselessness of tanks", put forward the argument that a tank lives on the battlefield for 10 minutes, forgetting to clarify that this is a SINGLE tank
    1. +13
      14 February 2021 07: 35
      He is a tank and in Africa - a tank! If such a monster crawls out then ...

      Many interesting things can happen!
      1. +2
        14 February 2021 07: 55
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Many interesting things can happen!

        And unexpected lol
        1. +14
          14 February 2021 08: 23
          For example, that this hulking monster would be killed from the first shot, which was proved by the Poles during the "peaceful" reunification with Western Ukraine in 1939. laughing
          1. -1
            14 February 2021 08: 39
            Yes, I'm talking about something that suddenly falls into underpants lol
            1. +7
              14 February 2021 08: 48
              Aaaa ... Like - "What's the main thing in a tank?" laughing
              1. +1
                14 February 2021 08: 54
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Aaaa ... Like - "What's the main thing in a tank?"

                Well yes laughing
                1. +9
                  14 February 2021 08: 56
                  The former tanker himself is in the know. laughing soldier
          2. +7
            14 February 2021 08: 49
            And in Poland there was a combat episode with the T-35, can you give more details?
            1. +3
              14 February 2021 08: 56
              Alas, I don’t remember the details, I read from A. Bolnykh that the Poles knocked out several of these tanks, either near Lvov, or under some other city. request
              1. +14
                14 February 2021 11: 11
                No, there were no combat episodes with the T-35 during the Liberation Campaign. Don't you confuse it with the T-28?
                1. +2
                  14 February 2021 11: 25
                  It is quite possible that I am confusing, I read twenty years ago.
                  1. +4
                    15 February 2021 10: 56
                    It is quite possible that I am confusing, I read twenty years ago.

                    Uncle Kostya, you are really confusing. drinks For the first time, the T-35 went into battle in June 1941 as part of the 8th mechanized corps, and most of them remained along the roads due to breakdowns. So the Germans had the opportunity to take plenty of pictures with armored monsters. sad

                    At least one took part in the defense of Kharkov.
                    Tank with cylindrical turrets, machine-gun turrets without reinforcement, possible production year - 1936. The tank was parked on Voroshilov Street in Kharkov. The headquarters of the 216th Infantry Division was also located here. It was from him that the division commander, Colonel D.F. Makshanov directed the actions of his unit in the defense of the city.
                    https://iihytec.livejournal.com/22861.html

                    One or two cars were in Moscow. The film about the defeat of the Nazis near Moscow featured the shooting of one T-35. But, most likely, these shootings were staged, and this tank hardly participated in the battle. The vehicles, apparently, also participated in the parade on November 7, 1941.
                    And this photo is staged. Although the T-35s took part in the parade on November 7, 1941, in the battles near Moscow, they did not participate, and immediately after the parade were sent to the rear.
                    http://armedman.ru/fotogalereya/fotografii-tyazhelogo-tanka-t-35.html
          3. +6
            14 February 2021 09: 22
            Quote: Sea Cat
            For example, that this hulking monster would be killed from the first shot, which was proved by the Poles during the "peaceful" reunification with Western Ukraine in 1939.

            Is it possible in more detail? In the Finnish war, it seems, they used ... But little is known about the liberation campaign in the Western regions. And about the battles of the Poles with the Red Army too ...
            1. +1
              14 February 2021 10: 02
              I have already answered above. In the book by A. Bolnykh "XX century of tanks" there was a short mention of this and that was all. I won't say anything for Finnish, I don't know.
            2. +8
              14 February 2021 11: 20
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              In the Finnish war, it seems, they used ...

              No, they didn't.
            3. +8
              14 February 2021 14: 36
              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              In the Finnish war, it seems, they used ...

              The T-35 was not used in the Finnish war. There is an episode with the participation of experienced QMS, T-100 and KV-1. The KV-1 won in the "race", or rather just "Kliment Voroshilov" at that time, which predetermined its development and serial production.
              In the Polish company, the average T-28 was the heaviest. Although it should be admitted that the greatest losses were not from the "fire" of the brave Poles, but technical ones. Moreover, different authors name from 15 to 25%, of which from the fire of "Poles" and "Germans", no more than 15 cars.
          4. +10
            14 February 2021 11: 07
            Quote: Sea Cat
            that this clumsy monster would be killed at the first shot, which was proved by the Poles during the "peaceful" reunification with Western Ukraine in 1939.

            ?????? Poles knocked out the T-35? Opening. During the "Polish campaign", for each front, and there were two of them, one brigade on the T-28 was allocated as a front reinforcement kit
            1. +11
              14 February 2021 11: 35
              Quote: svp67

              ?????? Poles knocked out the T-35? Opening

              The easiest way is to knock out something that is not on the front. laughing
              1. Alf
                +11
                14 February 2021 21: 43
                Quote: Mountain Shooter
                Quote: svp67

                ?????? Poles knocked out the T-35? Opening

                The easiest way is to knock out something that is not on the front. laughing

                Hartmann managed to shoot down the Yak-11, and Yuutilainen-Mustang ...
                1. +2
                  15 February 2021 15: 07
                  Quote: Alf
                  Hartmann managed to shoot down the Yak-11, and Yuutilainen-Mustang ...

                  Yuutilainen is generally unique - apart from the Mustang, he has an application for the P-38 Lightning shot down in the sky of Karelia. smile
                  1. Alf
                    +5
                    15 February 2021 19: 24
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    there is an application for the P-38 Lightning shot down in the skies of Karelia.

                    And on this day, the Hans FV-189 did not disappear?
                  2. 0
                    28 March 2021 05: 47
                    Nothing more ... Northern fly agarics are great power!
          5. +2
            14 February 2021 21: 36
            Don't be silly. T35s were out of order due to wear and tear and unreliability, and when they entered battle they were a very serious opponent.
      2. +6
        14 February 2021 08: 42
        As in a joke about a red shirt and brown pants!) laughing
      3. +9
        14 February 2021 09: 10
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        He is a tank and in Africa - a tank! If such a monster crawls out then ...

        I remember about a tank in Africa - "Iron Kaput"
        1. +4
          14 February 2021 10: 11
          And what, they were probably in these "diamonds" and shook. One word - "Ironkaput". laughing
      4. BAI
        +7
        14 February 2021 10: 10
        Many interesting things can happen!

        If the enemy maintains his composure, then only that.
      5. +4
        14 February 2021 11: 05
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        If such a monster crawls out then ...

        the very first RPG infantryman he meets will be the last that the crew sees. As well as any "technical", she is a "jihad-mobile", carrying a machine gun of 14,5 caliber or ZU-23. The tank, of course, is a handsome man, but his place was in the 1930s, and not on the battlefield, but on a parade.
        1. +5
          14 February 2021 11: 16
          Quote: Nagan
          The tank is, of course, handsome,

          I would argue with that. Smooth in all respects. Well, maybe like a propaganda kunststuk.
          1. +6
            14 February 2021 13: 15
            everyone has their own understanding of beauty
            1. +3
              14 February 2021 13: 32
              unconditionally.
              And for fans of modding in the style of dieselpunk, this monster is just a godsend)))
              well, something like ...
              1. Fat
                -1
                15 February 2021 21: 15
                Greetings! hi
                Bro! It looks like this is not a diesel punk, but a banal "Steam" in the style of "Predatory cities"! good laughing
                1. +1
                  15 February 2021 22: 26
                  'May-may-be' ©
                  ))
                  hi
                  1. Fat
                    0
                    15 February 2021 22: 30
                    Well then, another minus. Yes

                    And this is a real museum "Steam" ...
        2. +6
          14 February 2021 14: 46
          Quote: Nagan
          The first RPG infantryman he meets will be the last


          Until infantrymen with RPGs, heavy T-35s did not survive. They ended in December 1941 and January 1942 during the counteroffensive near Moscow.
          K. Zhukov wrote in his memoirs "T-35 veterans went into their last battle"! I wrote from memory, but the point was that at 41 they were not perceived as a miracle weapon.
          On the other hand, we form a situation - noon, pitched sunny weather, steppe as flat as a table, the harvest is harvested, you can't hide in the grass! How many violent Germans with faust cartridges will be able to approach the actual range of fire of 50 meters, to the lonely T-35?
          1. +2
            14 February 2021 18: 19
            With Faustpatron a little, and with a panzershrek 200 meters, much more. Again - a tank standing motionless in an open field will not live long - sewn vulnerable
            1. +6
              14 February 2021 19: 18
              Quote: Avior
              With Faustpatron a little, and with a panzershrek 200 meters, much more. Again - a tank standing motionless in an open field will not live long - sewn vulnerable

              What to waste on trifles from the "Cornet" you can take it from three kilometers!
              In 41 in the German army there were no faust patrons, no panseos, even bazookas were not even there!
              1. 0
                14 February 2021 21: 37
                I understand that you are hypothetically considering, you yourself wrote
                How many violent Germans with faust cartridges will be able to approach the actual range of fire of 50 meters, to the lonely T-35?
          2. +1
            14 February 2021 19: 22
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            They ended in December 1941 and January 1942 during the counteroffensive near Moscow.
            It seems that somewhere it flashed that the last combat use was near Berlin. The Germans in 1945 out of complete hopelessness tried to use the captured T-35, which they captured in 1941 and put in a museum.
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            we form a situation - noon, pitched sunny weather, steppe as flat as a table, the harvest is harvested, you can't hide in the grass!
            Like a "spherical horse in a vacuum"? wassat
            1. Fat
              +1
              15 February 2021 21: 29
              Quote: Nagan
              Like a "spherical horse in a vacuum"?

              Leave this Meme ... crying
              every {\ displaystyle n} n-dimensional manifold is homotopy equivalent to a {\ displaystyle n} n-sphere if and only if it is homeomorphic to it. Poincaré's main hypothesis is a special case of the generalized hypothesis for {\ displaystyle n = 3} n = 3.
              Thus, Perelman's proof completes the proof of the generalized Poincaré conjecture ... (2003) wassat drinks
          3. +1
            15 February 2021 22: 28
            Not a bad goal for a thing)
      6. +1
        15 February 2021 03: 31
        He is a tank and in Africa - a tank! If such a monster crawls out then ...

        This is not a tank, but a mobile bunker. It should be buried in the tower and held until dark. And then retreat to the next position. Or earlier, if he was shot at. Then everything falls into place.
    2. +4
      14 February 2021 14: 32
      One of the long-lived tanks that was lucky not to get on the battlefield. More than 100 years old grandmother.


      Photo above:
      Mark IV Female Tank Location of National Armor and Cavalry Museum, USA
      Previously housed in the US Army Ordnance Museum, Aberdeen (now closed).
      Photo below:
      The same Mark IV Female tank at the Liberty Loan Parade on 5th Avenue in New York, October 1917.
      It was called "Britannia", then it was renamed "Liberty".
      1. +5
        14 February 2021 14: 44
        Duluth, Minnesota. 1917. War Loans Support Tour. Show with the flattening of the poor Ford-A.
        "Britannia" rules)

        But "Britain" is loaded when the exposure changes (L.A.)
        1. +2
          14 February 2021 14: 49
          The tank drove through the states well.
      2. +5
        14 February 2021 19: 15
        Well, we can also boast of similar rarities!
        Trophy Mk5 "female" in Arkhangelsk.
        1. +1
          15 February 2021 17: 37
          A "monster" is a "monster" ... but, here - if the opposing side possessed stamina and the necessary resources, then .... this is what the "correct", "life-giving" shell did with it:
          1. 0
            15 February 2021 22: 39
            An eerie sight ...
      3. Fat
        +1
        15 February 2021 21: 43
        Is this exactly "Maid"? The guns are brutal. And the first photo looks like
        photo from the Aberdeen Museum, there is definitely a "girl".
        1. +2
          16 February 2021 01: 38
          Quote: Thick
          Is this exactly "Maid"? The guns are brutal. And the first photo looks like
          photo from the Aberdeen Museum, there is definitely a "girl"

          Here is the point. The tank, as I understood from English, migrated from Aberdeen, where the exposition was closed. I wrote about it.
          But there are no barrels on it now. And for me personally it is not obvious that this is a female.
          Despite the fact that in the photo of 1917, a thick barrel is clearly visible. And the conclusion suggests itself that this is an uncle. But the signature in the electronic library of Congress says "Female" in no uncertain terms.
          And that it was this tank that later ended up in the Aberdeen Museum.
          Therefore, in order not to dig for a long time, left it as it is. The thought arose that perhaps the American female was rearmed with a different type of machine gun, something like Lewis. The proportions displayed in the photo allow, in my opinion, such a hypothesis.
          1. Fat
            0
            16 February 2021 02: 09
            Well, well. These products, when massive, could well have a "loophole" in the front upper sponson for an additional weapon - a machine gun or a small-caliber gun ... Probably, you can find out more precisely. But not fundamentally IMHO. I don't build models of tanks, unlike the author.
  2. +4
    14 February 2021 07: 01
    Pretty funny text, isn't it?

    So of course smile
    The article is very interesting.
    Thank you hi
  3. +12
    14 February 2021 07: 28
    I have already mentioned, but it is worth recalling that English trophy rhombuses under the name "Ricardo" were in service with the young Soviet Republic.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich for the article, thanks, we are waiting for the development of the topic!
    1. +13
      14 February 2021 08: 28
      Yeah, the British delivered Lend-Lease ... to Wrangel. laughing


      1. +4
        14 February 2021 08: 40
        Quote: Sea Cat
        delivered ... to Wrangel.

        The series "Adjutant of His Excellency"
        1. +5
          14 February 2021 08: 50
          No, everything is derailed there - neither for myself, nor for people. request
          1. +5
            14 February 2021 11: 24
            Quote: Sea Cat
            No, everything is derailed there - neither for myself, nor for people. request

            I remembered at Semyonov's' No password needed 'the loaders in the Vladivostok port shouted' Silence! This is not a woman with tits for you, but a convertible with a gun! '
            ))
      2. +3
        14 February 2021 09: 20

        I doubt that it was possible to fire aimed fire at the greyhound from two machine guns nearby.
        1. +6
          14 February 2021 09: 58
          Yes, on the go, even from one sense - zero, with their something "suspension".
      3. +4
        14 February 2021 13: 54
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Yeah, the British delivered Lend-Lease ... to Wrangel.

        VSYURovskie kulibins even tried to create their own analogue of "Ricardo". I mean an armored car on the Kleiton chasse with a proper name Colonel the Prayerless. The monstrous miscarriage of the technical genius of the ... Don army leaders - 11 people with one three-inch and six masim.
        Horror.
        1. +3
          14 February 2021 14: 49
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          VSYURovskie kulibins even tried to create their own analogue of "Ricardo". I mean an armored car on the Kleiton chasse with a proper name Colonel the Prayerless. The monstrous miscarriage of the technical genius of the ... Don army leaders - 11 people with one three-inch and six masim.
          Horror.


          Dear paragraph from now on, if possible in more detail?
          1. +1
            14 February 2021 19: 50
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Can I get more details?

            I apologize for the delay - I dug up the wheels.
            In short:
            strictly speaking, there were two Prayer Colonels: one was an ordinary ... all-wheel drive German wheeled machine-gun BA Erhard EV / 4, repulsed by volunteers from the Reds (how I got to the Reds - xs, I don't know). Here it is:

            it seems, even a hotchkiss was stuck instead of one MG-08

            and here is the second one, which I and chalk in mind:

            armored vehicle on the clayton chassis. 11 crew members, 1 three-inch model and six maxims. Of course, this squalor could not fight, even if the Supreme Soviet of Yugoslavia performed a prayer with its entire staff. By and large, of course, it's more of a half-gusli. But given the monstrousness of this coffin ...
    2. +8
      14 February 2021 08: 43
      I join your words of gratitude to Vyacheslav Olegovich. The topic seems to be well-known, but the illustrations are yes!)
      1. Fat
        +1
        15 February 2021 21: 55
        hi I join. The illustrations are exceptional!
    3. +5
      14 February 2021 08: 45
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      English trophy rhombuses under the name "Ricardo" were in service with the young Soviet Republic.

      But these were the Mark V ... the most perfect of the "diamonds"! "Whippets", in turn, were called "Taylors" ...
      1. Fat
        +2
        15 February 2021 22: 06
        Maybe because of the engines ... After all, this "semi-greyhound" is a recognizable thing, not very similar in appearance to the previous diamond-shaped models ... I would say not at all similar recourse
        1. +1
          15 February 2021 22: 56
          Quote: Thick
          Maybe because of the engines

          Yes, you're right ... As a rule, captured tanks were delivered to Red Army units without technical documentation ... There was an "engraving" on the engine blocks indicating the type of engine. On the Mark V-engine Ricardo ... on "Whippets" - Taylor's engines ... As a trophy, the Red Army also got the Medium Mark B ... so it "passed" like a "tank with a Crossley engine"!
  4. +8
    14 February 2021 07: 54
    ... We worked on a project of a 100-ton heavy tank (which, due to the high cost, they decided not to produce) and on a 14-ton vehicle at a speed of 13 km / h ("A" brand "medium tank", then known as "Whippet"); with the same reliable armor as the Mk IV, and machine gun armament.

    The greyhound had one serious flaw. It lacked a rotating turret with weapons.


    1. +4
      14 February 2021 08: 44
      On the bottom photo, like "Swede" ...
      1. +7
        14 February 2021 08: 51
        Yeah, and already with the tower, the Whipped didn't have it.

        Hi Igor. hi
      2. +5
        14 February 2021 08: 54
        No German who later became Swede.
        1. +7
          14 February 2021 09: 08
          The LK II was German, and the Swede has a different weapon arrangement and a slightly modified hull. It was just one engineer who created them - Folmer. He is German, but after WWI he left and worked in Sweden. Feel the difference ...


          Top German, bottom Swede. But not the British for sure!))) laughing
          1. +5
            14 February 2021 09: 15
            If you take my photographs from top to bottom, then an Englishman, a German and a Swede.
            The Germans also did not have swivel towers. The Swedes have eliminated this shortcoming.
            1. +5
              14 February 2021 09: 25
              You have an average photo, in general, unique! This is one of two EXPERIENCED LK l! Which by the same Volmer was created on the basis of a truck, but did not go into the series.
              But, I admit - German)))
          2. +6
            14 February 2021 10: 28
            Igor, here's another nice photo of this Swede.

            Light tank Strv m / 21 with two 6,5 mm m / 14 machine guns and a crazy speed of 16 km / h.
            Sho for such a machine gun, I never found out.
          3. +4
            14 February 2021 14: 38
            Folmer bil sudetskiy Nemec.
            On iv CHSR rabotal nad tankami.
          4. 0
            15 February 2021 19: 26
            The caterpillars are narrow compared to the British.
    2. +7
      14 February 2021 08: 55
      However, the Germans liked the Whippets ... trophy ones, of course! They even, in their image, began to create their own "series" LK Vollmer ...! LKII tanks, in turn, "created" the Swedish tank building, which was little known in the "world", but with a craving for originality!
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Greyhound had one major flaw.
      1. +6
        14 February 2021 09: 27
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        LKII tanks, in turn, "created" the Swedish tank building, which was little known in the "world", but with a craving for originality!


        On the other hand, it commands respect. We held out in the tank club for almost three-quarters of a century!
        However, with the brainchild of Folmer, the tank epic began in Switzerland. The latter also abandoned their tank building in favor of the German Leopards.
  5. +5
    14 February 2021 08: 17
    [/ quote] Armored balconies with hatches for guns and machine guns are arranged on both sides and on top [quote]

    Interesting, although there was already a term sposon.
    Thanks to the author.
    1. 0
      15 February 2021 23: 11
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      Interesting, although there was already a term sposon.

      Sponson ....
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      2. 0
        16 February 2021 07: 07
        You are right, thanks, corrected
  6. +6
    14 February 2021 10: 27
    Overcoming obstacles


  7. +9
    14 February 2021 13: 14
    What are heavy tanks capable of?
    Manual.




  8. +5
    14 February 2021 15: 26
    Tanks easily crushed the wire barriers, relatively easily overcome ditches, trenches and shell funnels
    Well, this is a too optimistic assessment of the first tanks' cross-country ability.

    As you can see in the picture, the ditch turned out to be an insurmountable obstacle for the tank.


    The trench too.
    1. +8
      14 February 2021 15: 41
      The First World War required not just a lot, but a lot to the extreme!

      These casings are the result of a French battery firing four Canon de 75 mle 1897 during the Second Battle of the Aisne in April 1917.
      1. Fat
        0
        16 February 2021 02: 51
        The impression that the whole month on a volley every 10 minutes at least. Apofigey of the Great War ... (((
    2. Alf
      +7
      14 February 2021 21: 49
      Quote: Undecim
      As you can see in the picture, the ditch turned out to be an insurmountable obstacle for the tank.

      And the infantry caught up to pull out? The fart steam method? laughing
  9. 0
    14 February 2021 19: 44
    Quote: Nagan
    Like a "spherical horse in a vacuum"?

    There is such a thing!
    I haven't heard of the T-35 in the defense of Berlin. On the other hand, they really couldn't even use the Muses.
  10. +1
    14 February 2021 19: 55
    - And how at that time the guns were firing at the tanks ??? - How did they aim at them ??? - They had completely different sights for other tasks ... - And here you had to shoot only with direct fire ... - or what ??? - It was tanks that could shoot and destroy with shrapnel, a blast wave, etc.
    1. Alf
      +8
      14 February 2021 21: 52
      Quote: gorenina91
      - And how at that time the guns were firing at the tanks ??? - How did they aim at them ???

      Especially when you consider the single-beam carriages and the minimum angle of horizontal guidance ... request
  11. 0
    15 February 2021 19: 17
    including color linotypesglued separately

    I recall the classics: "The waves rolled over the pier and fell down with a swift jack ..."
    Linotype is typing using a linotype.
    Before the advent of offset multicolor printing technologies, color inserts were made by lithography and were called, in fact, lithographs.
    1. Fat
      0
      15 February 2021 22: 12
      Not. You are wrong Text-linotype. Illustrations - zincography is printed in one set. So, let the waves continue rolling through the pier. The linotype only allows you to cast lines of text .. and that's it! And then with handles. Therefore, only "some" of the illustrations are "pasted in" laughing
  12. 0
    20 March 2021 15: 58
    What amusing the author found in the text of the document ?! Normal and quite high-quality analysis at that level. Show your child your finger ...

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