The timing of the transfer of the first two serial submarines of Project 677 "Lada" to the fleet

The first serial submarines of Project 677 "Lada" will become part of the Naval fleet in 2022. This was announced by Alexander Buzakov, General Director of the Admiralteyskie Verf shipyard.

Two serial submarines "Kronstadt" and "Velikie Luki" Project 677 "Lada" are currently being completed at the "Admiralty Shipyards". According to Buzakov, the first serial submarine "Kronstadt" has already been launched, the second serial "Velikie Luki" is planned to be launched in 2022. The head "Saint Petersburg" was transferred to the Navy in 2010 and is still in trial operation.

The second boat "Kronstadt" is already afloat, the third, "Velikie Luki", will be launched in 2022. Kronstadt was delayed somewhat due to problems with contractors. But we plan to transfer both boats to the fleet in 2022.

- leads RIA News words of the General Director of "Admiralty Shipyards".

It is noted that, unlike the lead sub, which is armed only with mines and torpedoes, the serial "Lada" received the "Caliber" cruise missiles. In addition, both submarines are equipped with a new, more powerful and quieter electric motor.

The delay in the construction of the Lada submarines is lagging behind due to changes in the design, as well as due to problems with one of the equipment suppliers. Earlier it was reported about plans to equip these submarines with an air-independent (anaerobic) installation, however, it has not yet been possible to create a VNEU (at least the creation of the installation has not been officially announced).

According to the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov, problems with the Lada project led to the decision to build six Varshavyankas for the Pacific Fleet, although initially it was Lada with VNEU that were planned for the Far East.

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[V1er]

Of course, I would like it faster. But good luck, if only not new terms. I am happy for the growth of the Navy of my Country.

[Orange bigg]

Here it is not so much the growth in the number of the Navy that pleases, but the increase in the quality of its combat units.

... According to him, the general designer of the Rubin Yuri Kormilitsin did everything to ensure that the Lada project was implemented, and his boats were equipped with fundamentally new modern equipment. Many systems and technical characteristics of these submarines have become a significant breakthrough in the domestic non-nuclear shipbuilding. For example, the secrecy of the "Lada" is even higher than that of the famous "Varshavyanka" (project 636.3).

"Lada" are designed for independent operations against submarines and surface ships in a limited area, attacks on ground targets with the use of sea-based cruise missiles, anti-submarine defense in coastal areas, narrow areas and in strait zones, fighting on sea communications in limited areas. They can be operated under any weather conditions in shallow and deep water areas in any area of ​​the World Ocean, except for areas with continuous ice cover. The submarine has increased autonomy - up to 45 days, increased submerged cruising range - up to 650 miles at a speed of three knots.

They don't talk a lot about the innovations introduced on the Lada. It is known that it has a new generation of hydroacoustic, electronic and other weapons, as well as engines. These submarines have become much quieter than their predecessors. They got this feature thanks to the high-tech anti-hydroacoustic coating of the case. The submarine is equipped with a new hydroacoustic complex of the Irtysh type with a developed antenna system and a flexible extended towed antenna.

It is clear that this is the next generation ship compared to the 636. And, of course, in terms of a number of indicators it is more perfect, including in terms of low noise.

Boats of this type have a single-hull architecture, compared to the Project 877 Lada submarines, they are distinguished by a lower noise level, a high degree of automation, a surface displacement that is almost 1,3 times reduced, and an increased underwater speed. The displacement is approximately 1765 tons (2650 tons - underwater). At a depth, they can reach speeds of up to 21 knots (about 38,9 km / h), on the surface of the water - ten knots (about 18,5 km / h). Working depth of immersion - 250 m. Crew - 35 people.

The main armament of the Lad is the Kalibr cruise missiles. It is possible to conduct salvo rocket fire at sea targets. The ship has six torpedo tubes of 533 mm caliber; the ammunition load includes 18 torpedoes, 16 torpedo missiles or 44 mines.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5586628

[Aleksandr1971]

Actually, this is a project from the 80s.
Why rejoice? To the fact that the enemy (represented by the US satellites) has been installing VNEU for a long time, and recently began to equip its submarines with lithium-ion batteries, and we are putting into service an outdated submarine with a bunch of flaws? This is some kind of wrecking joy.
Now they throw cons to me here. But only the enemies of Russia can rejoice at the introduction of this boat into the armament of the Russian Navy.

Back in early 2012, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy V.Vysotsky said that
"... the declared technical characteristics of the Project 677 submarines are not confirmed on the tests of the lead submarine Saint Petersburg." The Russian Navy does not need the Lada in its current form. We do not need new "brains" with weapons that would sit on the energy sector war. Why? Who needs it? And its operational properties are the same. "

[Orange bigg]

... Back in early 2012, the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy V.Vysotsky said that
"... the declared technical characteristics of the Project 677 submarines are not confirmed on the tests of the lead submarine Saint Petersburg." The Russian Navy does not need the Lada in its current form. We do not need new "brains" with weapons that would sit on the energy sector war. Why? Who needs it? And its operational properties are the same. "

Petersburg, nevertheless, they brought it to mind, and based on the operating experience of the lead submarine of project 677, the identified shortcomings were taken into account, which were corrected in the already modified project 677 D, according to which Kronstadt and Velikiye Luki are being built, which in turn will be transferred to the fleet in 2022 ... Here, as they say, the first pancake is lumpy, but conclusions were made, errors were corrected. So we are waiting for Kronstadt and Velikiye Luki as part of the Russian Navy.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexander1971

after all, only the enemies of Russia can rejoice in the introduction of this boat into service with the Russian Navy.

Yes, you, dear, from the country 404, you see!
Or an absolutely "impassable" liberoid ...
Therefore, you, dear fellow, would be engaged in your garbage dumps and did not climb where questions of the future of the submarine forces of the Navy are being discussed.

[Max otto]

Quote: Alexander1971

...
Why rejoice? To the fact that the enemy (represented by the US satellites) has been installing VNEU for a long time, and recently began to equip its submarines with lithium-ion batteries, and we are putting into service an outdated submarine with a bunch of flaws? This is some kind of wrecking joy.
...

Although I am not a submariner, I would not sit in the same boat with a lithium-ion VNEU. These show-offs are purely for peacetime. In any emergency situation, and during hostilities they are not alone a day, it will flare up (lithium with water reacts even with an explosion) in any case, and the crew will not survive. During the war, such boats have only one way. None will return to base.
Last year's tragedy with "Losharik" confirms this 100%.

[Alex777]

Do you think you know the cause of the accident? Oh well...

[Destiny]

Well, for the strength of a solid case!

[Doccor18]

Earlier it was reported about plans to equip these submarines with an air-independent (anaerobic) installation, however, it has not yet been possible to create a VNEU (at least the creation of the installation has not been officially announced).

Initially, the project was 677 and was developed as a boat with VNEU to replace Varshavyanka. And now they are building both at the same time, but all without modern propulsion systems ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doccor18

both, but all without modern propulsion systems

The operation of boats with VNEU is many times more expensive than a diesel engine. The introduction of modern rechargeable batteries will add autonomy and underwater range to Ladam, while retaining all the other "nishtyaks" ...
So far, both lithium batteries and VNEU have no known combat stability. How will they react to depth charges? Will they fail? Will not ignite from impacts to the body from close explosions?
We do not forget that all the newest boats are boats of "peacetime", only diesel people survived under the bombing ...

[Doccor18]

I partly agree with you.
But combat resilience is multifaceted. Before drowning a boat, you must first find it ... VNEU in terms of autonomy is head and shoulders above diesel ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doccor18

But combat resilience is multifaceted. Before sinking a boat, you must first find it ... VNEUs are a head superior to diesel engines in terms of autonomy.

Is it easy to find a diesel engine under the "snorkel"? Especially if the snorkel is not radio-contrasting, but there are slight ripples on the sea. All these boats are guarding the area. Not oceanic. There are other "animals" there ... Well, why does VNEU, if you went to the area, lay down, and wait in ambush, with your ears wide open.
With the modern development of nuclear power in Russia, it would be possible to install a small nuclear reactor ... Instead of VNEU. With a large rechargeable battery. A kind of hybrid diving vehicle. When it is necessary to scrape, the reactor and the batteries turn the electric motor together; at low speed, the reactor feeds the battery. Noisy reactor? So already with this they are fighting successfully. And the reactor power is not at all great ...

[Doccor18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

..Well, why VNEU, if you went to the area, lay down, and wait in ambush, with your ears wide open.

It depends how long you have to wait ...

Quote: Mountain Shooter

With the modern development of nuclear power in Russia, it would be possible to install a small nuclear reactor ... Instead of VNEU.

This is a completely different story ... and the price ...

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Doccor18

This is a completely different story ... and the price.

The cost of nuclear reactors is greatly exaggerated ... In the minds of the masses. Purely for iron - well, not very expensive. The fuel there is highly enriched - but also not God knows ... That development will cost a pretty penny. And if you do not make a large series, it will greatly increase the cost of the entire project.
Then the topic of "hydrogen paste" flashed ... Based on magnesium hydride. A good energy capacity is obtained. But liquid oxygen on board is still dangerous. Maybe these fuel cells will mature?

[Doccor18]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

That development will cost a pretty penny. And if you do not make a large series, it will greatly increase the cost of the entire project.

In-in ...
What are the big episodes? ... further obscene asks ...

[Vladimir1155]

foreign vneu also have incomprehensible characteristics and it's not a fact that this is not a cut (only a foreign cut), in my opinion you just need to make an electric car of small size, and more apl, if it is far away, then it is an apl, if it is close, then an electric car

[Adimius38]

so it is not necessary to bomb it if in three days it will surface itself. Submarines without VNEU last century. Such submarines can only guard coastal waters. Submarines with VNEU are a completely different conversation, I would say that now it is diesel submarines that are in peacetime, when there is no combat opposition from the enemy. But it is necessary to build with the ability to re-equip VNEU

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Adimius38

Submarines without VNEU last century.

The Japanese replaced VNEU with more capacious batteries on their new submarines. No mind?

[ironic]

This is, well, a very difficult decision in terms of security. I, even taking into account that the Japanese are in doubt, whether they have taken on more than they can pull.

[Adimius38]

At the same time, the German shipbuilding industry is active in the world arms market. The competitiveness of German submarines was traditionally high, but with the advent of submarines with VNEU, interest in the products of German shipbuilders grew even more. Today, German nuclear submarines with VNEU are in service not only with the German Navy, but also with Greece, Italy, Israel, Portugal, Turkey and South Korea. There is interest from other countries in the world.

[SVD68]

Quote: Adimius38

Today, German nuclear submarines with VNEU are in service not only with the German Navy, but also with Greece, Italy, Israel, Portugal, Turkey and South Korea.

Why don't you hear anything about these boats, except that they exist? Look, they constantly write about Swedish and Japanese. And where about the German ones?

[Alex777]

They write a lot about German boats from Israel.
As for carriers of atomic weapons, for a minute.
One of these recently went to the Persian Gulf.
The fact that you haven't heard about it is your problem.
They also write about German boats for Turkey.
For example, the fact that German tank diesels came under an arms embargo in Germany. And the German nuclear submarines with VNEU to the Turks both built and are building.

[V.I.P.]

It was under what bombing they survived? .... Do you think they will be attacked by rarities from the 40s? .... Now that mines, that anti-submarine aircraft, that torpedoes of foreign armies are such that no boats can withstand. And the means of detection and destruction of foreign armies are many times superior to ours ....... Are there anti-torpedoes on our boats? Not. foreign ones have fired traps ... there is a towed GAS on Varshavian women and frets? .. Unfortunately, modern Russian education affects)))

[skipper83]

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but when the submarines were bombed, they, as a rule, did not go under diesels.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Doccor18

And now they are building both at the same time, but all without modern propulsion systems ...

Note, and not only with us. Look, japa, a new series of SORYU on "batteries" made. Another question is that we do not yet have safe LIAB (AS-31), but this does not mean that we cannot have, for example, graphene AK, which is 5 times more powerful than LIAB.
There is little information on the 677D project. Therefore - "wait for your mother?" - Let's wait! (with).

[Adimius38]

What else remains for us wait and wait, in some areas in the defense industry we have been waiting for decades .... well, we'll wait nothing.

[bad]

The first serial Project 677 Lada submarines will enter the Navy in 2022

the second serial "Velikiye Luki" is planned to be launched in 2022

Do they want to do everything in 2022?

[Runway]

Play on words. They pound the iron and throw off the submarine.

[Comrade Kim]

Very good!

[keeper03]

Comrade Kim, how are you doing there ?! Do the striped foes get it?!?

[NDR-791]

It is a pity that our all VNEU cannot win. “Ruby” left without funds for it back in 19g. "Malachite" too, a recuperator for a gas turbine cannot finish off from 18g. And it seems also due to lack of funds. Although they have had a working model since 15 years in trial operation. Or at the top they decided "not needed !!!", just say so - we'll get by with diving boats.

[Rufat]

More such nice news for the people

[mark1]

What if ... there (in the boat) lithium-ion or even super-dupere batteries were installed?

[mark1]

Minus seems to me Chubais put - offended ...

[ironic]

Well, this is a very technologically advanced country, and then ... I was surprised even when I found out about the Japanese boat. If something goes wrong, the explosion of a lithium-ion battery is a fierce fur animal.

[mark1]

To start :
This I do not assert, but suggested, (albeit with a certain amount of sarcasm, but what the hell is not joking!)

Quote: ironic

If something goes wrong, the explosion of a lithium-ion battery is a fierce furry animal.

I think the explosion of the oxygen tank is from the same breed of furry.

Quote: ironic

well, a very technologically advanced country can do it, and then ...

Well, it's absolutely not necessary to whip yourself on the cheeks with your ears, far from everything that we can do are the same Japanese,
The activities of Mr. Chubais are largely disapproved by us (society), but who said that there is no result at all? The information is not fully disclosed.
And why did you decide that the Japanese from the birth of kamikaze also want to live ...

[ironic]

An explosion of oxygen, yes, but with it, as it were, you know where you can fall and what you can / need to do with it, but with lithium-ion, and even such a size and capacity, it's still scary. It is not enough to have a laboratory somewhere that will develop something, here the culture of the technical process must be at the appropriate level and you cannot surrender this to a subcontractor.

[mark1]

Are you immersed in the process technology? Me not. But I know that in addition to lithium-ion, there are a couple of three alternative options. And I repeat once again - I am not claiming anything, I just see the grounds for the assumption.

[ironic]

I am a co-author in the past of a scientific article in Motorola-Shop on the implementation of an adaptive algorithm for charging lithium-ion batteries in difficult temperature conditions and one of the implementers of the article's conclusions in the elements of the Gornaya Rose military communication system used until recently at the IDF. My doubts are not unreasonable.

[mark1]

I'm a simple sofa pseudo-expert. I do not doubt your competencies at all (yes, even if I doubted - ) I'm just saying that I think the format allows. Let me + put you.

[ironic]

Yes, all the way. I also shared my thoughts with you.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ironic

Well, this is a very technologically advanced country, and then ...

Namesake, have you confused anything about our country? If we do not make smartphones, this does not mean that we are a "non-technological country". Examples to give or believe so?

[ironic]

A technologically advanced country is not the country in which Lefties are born or learned and shoe fleas and Danil's masters carve out a stone flower. With this In Russia it was, is and will be. A technologically advanced country, this country is capable of putting on stream and bringing into the future a wide range of both technological innovations and technological everyday life. And as far as Japan is ahead in this, I can give you examples from the times of the USSR, and the Russian Federation has not yet reached the USSR in this, although the technologies of course have gone ahead, but I'm not about the level today, these same technologies, but about the abilities ... But you will not believe even authentic examples, because you do not want to.

[Castro Ruiz]

Sovremenie PL s dvizhkami 2MV.

[Jacket in stock]

The fact that the equipment is more advanced than on Varshavyanka is good news.
And that the underwater passage is only 3 knots - this is no gate at all.

[Servisinzhener]

Such underwater speed upset me too. But "aunt Wik'a" explained that:

Underwater speed - 20 knots. Diving range with economic speed of 3 knots - 300 miles.

[A_Lex]

Until there is a really working VNEU, the tests of which will fully confirm all the design performance characteristics, the Lada project is not interesting regardless of whether there is an advertised Caliber on board or not.

In general, according to media reports, it seems that Caliber, like Zircon, has turned into some kind of magic spells, which themselves turn the ship into a battle one. Are there calibers on board? This means that the ship is already a full-fledged combat unit, and everything else, as it were, is not so important.

The imposition of such an extremely primitive point of view becomes possible only when the media are completely silent on the topic of what set of necessary and sufficient parameters of the ship should be achieved so that it can be considered not just combat, but effective from the point of view of the functions assigned to it in within the current reality, i.e. taking into account modern world requirements for a ship of this type.

[businessv]

Quote: A_Lex

In general, according to media reports, it seems that Caliber, like Zircon, has turned into some kind of magic spells, which in themselves turn the ship into a battle one.

This is not to write about torpedoes, with which we just have trouble!

[D16]

we just have trouble!

Not so bad it turns out.
https://rg.ru/2021/01/27/zaversheny-gosispytaniia-pervoj-rossijskoj-elektricheskoj-torpedy.html
https://rg.ru/2021/01/27/zaversheny-gosispytaniia-pervoj-rossijskoj-elektricheskoj-torpedy.html

[businessv]

Quote: D16

Not so bad it turns out.

Oh, colleague, this is not bad, but our sworn striped friends make 250-300 torpedo launches a year, and when did we have them? Are the torpedo attack defenses developed and working? I am far from the maritime theme, to be honest, but what I am writing about was told to me by an employee in the Black Sea Fleet, my friend, and I believe him more than the victorious reports of our bureaucrats.

[D16]

Oh, colleague, this is not bad, but our sworn striped friends make 250-300 torpedo launches a year, and when did we have them?

Regularly. Reusable training torpedoes.

Are the torpedo attack defenses developed and working?

NK package. It exists and has been used for a long time. No one has anti-torpedoes on the submarine yet.

what I am writing, an employee in the Black Sea Fleet told me

The Black Sea Fleet is a very large organization. The overwhelming majority of employees there never even came close to the SP.

[businessv]

Quote: D16

The overwhelming majority of employees there never even came close to the SP.

I agree, but my friend is serving on the submarine. So he says that we have very outdated means of countering a torpedo attack. He praised the Package-E / NK complex very much, but even new submarines are not equipped with it.

[D16]

taking into account modern world requirements for a ship of this type.

In Russia, the requirements for diesel submarines are very specific. It is somewhat silly to be guided by world requirements.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: A_Lex

the Lada project is not interesting regardless of whether there is an advertised Caliber on board or not.

You're not right. 677project is very interesting! Especially after its revision. It has introduced 183 RCDs, a new PMG on permanent magnets, conformal SAC antennas and much more.

Are there calibers on board? This means that the ship is already a full-fledged combat unit, and everything else, as it were, is not so important.

No, somewhat differently. There is a long arm along the NK and the coast. And so, 677D is an anti-submarine unit.
Yes, it is in the near sea zone, but this does not mean at all that it cannot become a real threat to submarines, NK, BC within a radius of 500M from the base ... And this project will be finalized and it will develop into the long-awaited Kalina with all the bells and whistles due to her.

[A_Lex]

after its revision ... this does not mean at all that it will not be able to become ... this project will be finalized and it will develop

"The capital automatically goes to Vasyuki."

[Adimius38]

You understand that the information field is engaged in populism and show-off, partly in order to raise the rating of certain people. Only a real war does not forgive this.

[A_Lex]

As I understand it, the main problem is that people massively perceive, albeit incorrect, but familiar, as something natural.

[ironic]

Without VNEU, to start up a gray project that does not replace 636.3 is a strange decision. It would be easier for Finasovo to make some improvements from 636 to some 636.4, worked out on 677. Well, as soon as there was a design failure, borrow from the Americans the practice of limiting the small batch of the first three copies.

[SVD68]

Frets have the following advantages that cannot be implemented on boats of Project 636:
1) one and a half hull;
2) lower displacement with the same armament;
3) less crew.

[ironic]

Yes, but is it worth investing in a new project with these improvements if you can improve automation and reduce the crew by upgrading the existing one? Is it worth starting a big series if there is no main thing, why is it worth doing?

[Ryaruav]

I think these are experimental boats and constant modernization is a move forward, that's just with torpedoes sadness, as well as with anti-torpedoes too

[agond]

In Varshavyanka, the share of water in the underwater displacement of 1600t or 40%, the Lada already has 33%, the progress was affected by the one-and-a-half-hull design, so they will gradually grow to a single-hull scheme (for comparison, the German submarine of the 21st series was 23%), it remains to be hoped. what part of its 33% will be used to house the batteries.

[D16]

The Hydromayor Sect?

[Lexus]

It makes no sense to build outdated, unusable boats. "Calibers" can be launched from a barge.

[D16]

It makes no sense to build outdated, unusable boats.

Are you planning to send them to the Gulf of Mexico to hunt American SSBNs?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: lexus

It makes no sense to build outdated, unusable boats.

Lada is the newest promising project, which is still in work. I hope that they will bring to mind.

"Calibers" can be launched from a barge.

Well, yes, well, yes ... and in the sea in tow ... Well, so that the adversary is afraid ... finally and irrevocably ... And most importantly - they will provide PLO in BMZ for all 150% !!!
Good luck, colleague.

[Aleksandr1971]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Alexander1971

after all, only the enemies of Russia can rejoice in the introduction of this boat into service with the Russian Navy.

Yes, you, dear, from the country 404, you see!
Or an absolutely "impassable" liberoid ...
Therefore, you, dear fellow, would be engaged in your garbage dumps and did not climb where questions of the future of the submarine forces of the Navy are being discussed.

Well, you, disrespectful reptilian, you'd better say something about the case, and not just about the garbage dumps in which you are special.
Commander-in-chief V. Vysotsky, in your opinion, is also among the liberoids from the garbage can.

[Aleksandr1971]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: Adimius38

Submarines without VNEU last century.

The Japanese replaced VNEU with more capacious batteries on their new submarines. No mind?

You are right.
But the absence of both VNEU and lithium-ion batteries on the boat is the century before last. What is the success of Project 677? That two outdated submarines will be built?

[silver_roman]

And what's the point in frets without vneu? to wander around among the diesel-electric submarines?