For Russia, there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office of the White House

Compatriots are surprised who seriously believe that the US attitude towards Russia depends on what kind of person is sitting in the White House. In this regard, the matter reached the point of absurdity - when certain Russian politicians drank sparkling wine after Donald Trump's victory in the US elections. Later, these same people said that no American leader had imposed as many sanctions as Trump had imposed on Russia.

Now there are people who say about "cautious optimism" in connection with the fact that Joe Biden took one of the first steps in his role as president to extend the START Treaty. It is alleged that this is such a good will of the American president.

All this talk about "goodwill", that Obama is better than Bush, Trump is better than Obama, and Biden is better than Trump, looks more naive.

It has long been no secret that the United States is ruled not by the president, but by a political-oligarchic group. And this group has only one attitude towards Russia: our country for them is one of the main geopolitical opponents, with whom it is possible to be friends only if there is a completely controlled figure in the leadership of Russia. Example: they were friends with the USSR under Mikhail Gorbachev, when the then leader of the country did everything to please his overseas partners. He pleased us so that in the end we lost a great country, and we are still experiencing the consequences of this huge loss.

Therefore, for Russia there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office. It is important for Russia to pursue its consistent policy to protect the interests of its citizens.

About what priorities in relations with Russia were voiced by Joe Biden in Mikhail Leontyev's program "However":

Comments

[bzbo]

Yes, any person in the Oval Office is just a spacer between Monica and the Chair)))

[dvina71]

Not .. this is a zits-chairmanship .. nothing depends on it, as long as the money belongs to the financial clans. They are the managers of the United States ... and the owners too ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bzbo

Yes, any person in the Oval Office is just a spacer between Monica and the Chair)))

And when rearranging places with terms, the sum does not change - one of the laws of mathematics.

[paul3390]

I will say more - for Russia there is no big difference who, under the bourgeoisie, occupies a chair in the Kremlin office .. One hell it will be the protégé of the oligarchy. As in any capital country.

[Nasrat]

It has long been no secret that the United States is ruled not by the president, but by a political-oligarchic group. And this group has only one attitude towards Russia...

why only to Russia? This group has a very peculiar approach to its own people:

https://ria.ru/20210209/saklery-1596537228.html

[Nasrat]

Quote: paul3390

I will say more - for Russia there is no big difference who under the bourgeoisie occupies a chair in the Kremlin office.

Actually, in Russia, only one can compare the difference (with the "bourgeois") Yeltsin and Putin ... as it were, there is a difference! ... Do not remember Anatolich, he is fluffy and with him people went to the resorts of Turkey, Egypt, etc.

[paul3390]

And let's compare with the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs? How is it indicated to us? The contrast will be even more striking ..
Ay - TWENTY YEARS have passed since Yolkin !! During this time, the Union won the greatest war, created a nuclear bomb and flew into space!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: paul3390

One hell it will be the henchman of the oligarchy. As in any capital country.

Well, there's no getting away from this.

[paul3390]

Well, once did you manage to get away with our great-grandfathers? Why not try again? Moreover, it is much easier for us, we know for sure that this is possible.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: paul3390

Why not try again? Moreover, it is much easier for us, we know for sure that this is possible.

You can always try, only now it is noticeably harder, not easier. I can see it from our site members. Where cheers are patriots, anarchists, democrats, and adherents of the West, but this is one tangle, and the second is where thinking people, worried about their Motherland for their Land, and their half and half. In 1917, 80% was a peasant country not involved in the party struggle, but now it is the other way around, and to all this, a much larger percentage of private owners. Will they give their haberdashery booth to the common piggy bank. Yes, it's harder now, because they know how to fight.
And although someone said how to try again. Everyone is silent.
All the fighters on the site only secretly put a minus, rarely anyone has an opinion. So for the next hundred years, forget everything you think about.
No offense, but it is.

[paul3390]

for the next hundred years, forget everything that you think about

What is curious - even Ilyich himself wrote in 1916 that he personally would hardly find the revolution .. And he was a head aaaa ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: paul3390

Curiously, even Ilyich himself wrote in 1916 that he personally would hardly find the revolution.

And what could he write, if even in February 1917 the Bolshevik faction consisted of 24 thousand party members, and in November about 80 thousand. But these were seasoned, strong-willed fighters of the party ready for any sacrifices.
And if you say "there is such a party" now, then I agree with you. But I know very well and you too, there is no such party. The conversation is over, and read Vladimir Ilyich at your leisure. He has said a lot about it.

[Real Pilot]

They have this concept of "bi-partisan consensus" or "bi-partisan bill". This is when both parties in Congress unanimously (not even necessarily unanimously) vote "for" a proposed bill.

With regard to Russia, the consensus there is quite understandable, Republicans and Democrats differ only in details. And these details are in whose business will suffer from politics and sanctions, and which one should not touch.
Russia as such, its statehood and opportunities are just an obstacle for them to plunder the territory.

Therefore, we do not care who the president is. You have to think about yourself, develop. By your sovereign will and in your own interest!

[rocket757]

That's for sure, the system is one and the pressure will continue.

[VORON538]

Absolutely vorno. TNK will still crush Russia through these dolls!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

That's for sure, the system is one and the pressure will continue.

And with the same effort. Their jack is so sharpened.

[rocket757]

I hope their "jack" is believed in our "beam" and ... neither here nor there!

[Vladimir_2U]

Oh, he opened his eyes, dear father! Bow!

[Stirbjorn]

What then did the State Duma celebrate Trump's victory ?!

[Destiny]

The State Duma of the Russian Federation applauding the victory of Trump (the President of a country openly hostile to us) is the funniest and most pathetic sight that I have seen in recent years ... Moreover, on the same day, the new American sanctions extended to the same deputies. what kind of people are passing laws, quiet horror ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Destiny

Lord, what kind of people are they passing laws, quiet horror ...

Sorry, but exactly the ones you and the people choose.

[Dart2027]

There is no democracy in the USA.

[Ingvar 72]

You might think we have. And there, and here it is an illusion, but there it is more realistic.

[dvina71]

Quote: Ingvar 72

but there it is more realistic

I wonder what? The presidential elections?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dvina71

I wonder what? The presidential elections?

That in America, that in Russia, by choice, this is a big free show for a poor audience.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And there, and here it is an illusion, but there it is more realistic.

Judging by the demonstrations in the United States, it is more realistic there, especially after the storming of the Capitol, where the authorities showed all their democracy in all its glory.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And there, and here her illusion, but there she is more realistic

The fact that it is a "partner" of Russia, and our protesters are always on the side of our "partners"

[paul3390]

The last democracy on the planet ended with the Soviet Union ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: paul3390

ended with the Soviet Union

Democracy ended in ancient times. In our time, it is basically impossible.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dart2027

There is no democracy in the USA.

What kind of democracy can there be when a country was born without democracy?

[Alexander 3]

That's right, if you have a pistol then you are protected, and if not, then everything that is yours belongs to them. Well, it's those who have the larger pistol.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander 3

Well, this is for those who have a bigger gun.

Whoever has a bigger gun has more democracy.

[Cat]

Whoever has a bigger gun has more democracy.

To paraphrase the movie hero Eastwood:
"There are two types of democracy: one that has a revolver loaded and one that digs. You will dig."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dart2027

There is no democracy in the USA.

You see, (according to your minuses) almost half of the people do not believe this, I understand those who live on the outskirts, but not in .....

[yehat2]

Quote: paul3390

As in any capital country.

the oligarchy does not rule everywhere in the capitalist countries.
especially such as ours, which is focused precisely on power and its external attributes, like the Papuans on the beads. There are mega-rich people in the USA, but they are not visible or heard, only sometimes something flashes in the news. And in our country, every day, another cattle-offspring crushed someone or did some other kind of toughness, another palace surfaced, etc.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yehat2

There are mega-rich people in the USA, but they are not visible or heard, only in the news sometimes something flashes.

So their capitalism is 300 years old, and Russian is only 30 years old.

[yehat2]

their capitalism is at most 200 years old, moreover, it was restarted in fact after the Great Depression
those. this particular version is less than 100 years old. And if you take into account the Bretton Woods system, then the US capitalism is even less - about 60.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yehat2

it was restarted in fact after the great depression

Launch, do not launch, and they started capitalism even under Britain, everything else is just varnishing with time.

[yehat2]

if you mean that capitalism has improved over time, then this is a maximum of 1 generation. This primitive system has a very low ceiling, so corporations with their own internal planning, planning in the USSR and China made capitalism playfully. As soon as the situation becomes unfavorable, all their gloss and huge financial bubbles will disappear.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yehat2

if you mean that capitalism has improved over time, then this is a maximum of 1 generation.

The economy of capitalism and the Marx Manifesto, we went to universities, I don’t want to remember, everything has passed and will no longer be. At this stage, capitalism has triumphed.

[yehat2]

but this is not about Marx and the manifesto.
we are talking about the structure of the economy and economic ties. Look at the statistics of how many idlers or absurd professions in developed capitalism, such as fashionable haircuts for dogs and the designer of their clothes. Keynes also deduced that capitalism spends at least 20% of the gross product just to ensure the structure of the market, in reality much more. This is an overdof.
That is why economies with a planned structure are always more efficient in doing business.
It doesn't matter if it's the ultra-aggressive Reich or the Soviet economy or the corporate system.
You are too horny rested on slogans and do not see what is being discussed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yehat2

You are too horny rested on slogans and do not see what is being discussed.

Sorry, but you got carried somewhere with a dog haircut, and so did the rest.

[Dmitry Potapov]

It is necessary to pursue a policy of principle, or we talk on equal terms or do not talk at all!

[Cat]

talk on equal terms or do not talk at all

This resembles a children's joke:
- Son, you shouldn't be friends with Vaska, he's a bad boy!
- Am I a good boy?
- Yes.
- So Vaska can be friends with me?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

- Son, you shouldn't be friends with Vaska, he's a bad boy!

It's a good joke, but no one has ever had friendship. There was only mutually beneficial cooperation for a certain period of time.

[Cat]

and friendship, so it never and no one had.

Naturally, friendship is a purely interpersonal concept, in politics there are only objects and subjects, in the sense that we are them or pineapple.

[Cat]

*** they are us (damned T9), but it turned out well too

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

in the sense we are them or pineapple.

Yes, since 1991, they switched to pineapples. I would like to have potatoes with bacon.

[zenion]

Really no difference. In the Urals, there was such a proverb - the Tatars are one devil for us, that vodka, that a machine gun, just to knock them off their feet.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: zenion

In the Urals, there was such a proverb - the Tatars are one devil for us, that vodka, that a machine gun, just to knock them off their feet.

And it turns out, as always, "What a rose, what a toilet to smell, if only it smelled."

[Cat]

Compatriots who seriously believe that the US attitude to Russia depends on what kind of person sits in the White House are surprising

The author is surprising, who apparently considers Russia to be a kind of monolithic entity. And in it there are different groups, small groups, parties and separate Kremlin towers, which are not at all indifferent to what kind of democracy representative is sitting on the "shining hill" - their well-being is strongly correlated with this sort, and even with a specific mee .. person.
But the average "Petrovich" from the conditional Kostroma - yes, it does not matter.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"For Russia, there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office of the White House" - obvious stupidity, even more - just our laziness and arrogance. Given the strategic identity of liberals and conservatives in America, the nuances there are very significant, and not using these nuances is simply a sin.

[eklmn]

"... when the then leader of the country did everything to please overseas partners."
I don’t understand anything! It turns out that Gorbachev's decision to exclude the main role of the CPSU from the Constitution was, in the author's opinion, imposed from abroad? Yeah ...

[Redfox3k]

Quote: Gato

*** they are us (damned T9), but it turned out well too

I am for pineapple and we are for them!

Quote: eklmn

“.... It turns out that Gorbachev's decision to exclude the main role of the CPSU from the Constitution was, in the author's opinion, imposed from abroad? Yeah ...

Well, the opposite has not yet been proven, so it can be assumed. Gorbachev sold or handed over the country in bulk, he had no time to figure it out.

[andrew42]

Indeed, today it is obvious that the topic of discussion of the candidacy of "Sitting in the Oval Office" serves only as a pretext for scratching with tongues the prolific political experts from numerous political science institutions - to justify their own need. The significance of this debate is initially less than Guberniev's chatter on the Sport TV channel - there is more varied movement - who was sold where, who could score, who scored on everything. Utility in the everyday sense is also zero.