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For Russia, there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office of the White House

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Compatriots are surprised who seriously believe that the US attitude towards Russia depends on what kind of person is sitting in the White House. In this regard, the matter reached the point of absurdity - when certain Russian politicians drank sparkling wine after Donald Trump's victory in the US elections. Later, these same people said that no American leader had imposed as many sanctions as Trump had imposed on Russia.


Now there are people who say about "cautious optimism" in connection with the fact that Joe Biden took one of the first steps in his role as president to extend the START Treaty. It is alleged that this is such a good will of the American president.

All this talk about "goodwill", that Obama is better than Bush, Trump is better than Obama, and Biden is better than Trump, looks more naive.

It has long been no secret that the United States is ruled not by the president, but by a political-oligarchic group. And this group has only one attitude towards Russia: our country for them is one of the main geopolitical opponents, with whom it is possible to be friends only if there is a completely controlled figure in the leadership of Russia. Example: they were friends with the USSR under Mikhail Gorbachev, when the then leader of the country did everything to please his overseas partners. He pleased us so that in the end we lost a great country, and we are still experiencing the consequences of this huge loss.

Therefore, for Russia there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office. It is important for Russia to pursue its consistent policy to protect the interests of its citizens.

About what priorities in relations with Russia were voiced by Joe Biden in Mikhail Leontyev's program "However":

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  1. bzbo
    bzbo 9 February 2021 13: 54
    +3
    Yes, any person in the Oval Office is just a spacer between Monica and the Chair)))
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 9 February 2021 14: 11
      +1
      Not .. this is a zits-chairmanship .. nothing depends on it, as long as the money belongs to the financial clans. They are the managers of the United States ... and the owners too ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 14: 25
      -4
      Quote: bzbo
      Yes, any person in the Oval Office is just a spacer between Monica and the Chair)))

      And when rearranging places with terms, the sum does not change - one of the laws of mathematics.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 9 February 2021 14: 35
        +4
        I will say more - for Russia there is no big difference who, under the bourgeoisie, occupies a chair in the Kremlin office .. One hell it will be the protégé of the oligarchy. As in any capital country.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat 9 February 2021 14: 41
          -7
          It has long been no secret that the United States is ruled not by the president, but by a political-oligarchic group. And this group has only one attitude towards Russia...


          why only to Russia? This group has a very peculiar approach to its own people:

          https://ria.ru/20210209/saklery-1596537228.html
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 9 February 2021 14: 48
          -5
          Quote: paul3390
          I will say more - for Russia there is no big difference who under the bourgeoisie occupies a chair in the Kremlin office.


          Actually, in Russia, only one can compare the difference (with the "bourgeois") Yeltsin and Putin ... as it were, there is a difference! ... bully Do not remember Anatolich, he is fluffy and with him people went to the resorts of Turkey, Egypt, etc. laughing
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 February 2021 17: 36
            0
            And let's compare with the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs? How is it indicated to us? The contrast will be even more striking ..
            Ay - TWENTY YEARS have passed since Yolkin !! During this time, the Union won the greatest war, created a nuclear bomb and flew into space!
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 February 2021 14: 54
          -3
          Quote: paul3390
          One hell it will be the henchman of the oligarchy. As in any capital country.

          Well, there's no getting away from this.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 February 2021 17: 34
            -1
            Well, once did you manage to get away with our great-grandfathers? Why not try again? Moreover, it is much easier for us, we know for sure that this is possible.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 13
              +2
              Quote: paul3390
              Why not try again? Moreover, it is much easier for us, we know for sure that this is possible.

              You can always try, only now it is noticeably harder, not easier. I can see it from our site members. Where cheers are patriots, anarchists, democrats, and adherents of the West, but this is one tangle, and the second is where thinking people, worried about their Motherland for their Land, and their half and half. In 1917, 80% was a peasant country not involved in the party struggle, but now it is the other way around, and to all this, a much larger percentage of private owners. Will they give their haberdashery booth to the common piggy bank. Yes, it's harder now, because they know how to fight.
              And although someone said how to try again. Everyone is silent.
              All the fighters on the site only secretly put a minus, rarely anyone has an opinion. So for the next hundred years, forget everything you think about.
              No offense, but it is.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 9 February 2021 20: 25
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                for the next hundred years, forget everything that you think about

                What is curious - even Ilyich himself wrote in 1916 that he personally would hardly find the revolution .. laughing And he was a head aaaa ... hi
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Curiously, even Ilyich himself wrote in 1916 that he personally would hardly find the revolution.

                  And what could he write, if even in February 1917 the Bolshevik faction consisted of 24 thousand party members, and in November about 80 thousand. But these were seasoned, strong-willed fighters of the party ready for any sacrifices.
                  And if you say "there is such a party" now, then I agree with you. But I know very well and you too, there is no such party. The conversation is over, and read Vladimir Ilyich at your leisure. He has said a lot about it.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 10 February 2021 17: 13
      0
      They have this concept of "bi-partisan consensus" or "bi-partisan bill". This is when both parties in Congress unanimously (not even necessarily unanimously) vote "for" a proposed bill.

      With regard to Russia, the consensus there is quite understandable, Republicans and Democrats differ only in details. And these details are in whose business will suffer from politics and sanctions, and which one should not touch.
      Russia as such, its statehood and opportunities are just an obstacle for them to plunder the territory.

      Therefore, we do not care who the president is. You have to think about yourself, develop. By your sovereign will and in your own interest!
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 9 February 2021 14: 03
    +2
    That's for sure, the system is one and the pressure will continue.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 9 February 2021 14: 09
      0
      Absolutely vorno. TNK will still crush Russia through these dolls! hi
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 14: 26
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      That's for sure, the system is one and the pressure will continue.

      And with the same effort. Their jack is so sharpened.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 10 February 2021 07: 59
        0
        I hope their "jack" is believed in our "beam" and ... neither here nor there!
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 9 February 2021 14: 04
    +3
    Oh, he opened his eyes, dear father! Bow!
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  5. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 9 February 2021 14: 12
    +4
    What then did the State Duma celebrate Trump's victory ?!
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 9 February 2021 14: 26
      +9
      The State Duma of the Russian Federation applauding the victory of Trump (the President of a country openly hostile to us) is the funniest and most pathetic sight that I have seen in recent years ... Moreover, on the same day, the new American sanctions extended to the same deputies. what kind of people are passing laws, quiet horror ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 46
        -2
        Quote: Destiny
        Lord, what kind of people are they passing laws, quiet horror ...

        Sorry, but exactly the ones you and the people choose.
  6. Dart2027
    Dart2027 9 February 2021 14: 17
    -2
    There is no democracy in the USA.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 February 2021 14: 22
      +2
      You might think we have. And there, and here it is an illusion, but there it is more realistic. laughing
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 9 February 2021 14: 25
        -1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        but there it is more realistic

        I wonder what? The presidential elections?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 February 2021 15: 41
          -2
          Quote: dvina71
          I wonder what? The presidential elections?

          That in America, that in Russia, by choice, this is a big free show for a poor audience.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 February 2021 14: 33
        -4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And there, and here it is an illusion, but there it is more realistic.

        Judging by the demonstrations in the United States, it is more realistic there, especially after the storming of the Capitol, where the authorities showed all their democracy in all its glory.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 February 2021 16: 25
        -3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And there, and here her illusion, but there she is more realistic

        The fact that it is a "partner" of Russia, and our protesters are always on the side of our "partners"
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 9 February 2021 14: 38
      +7
      The last democracy on the planet ended with the Soviet Union ...
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 9 February 2021 16: 27
        -4
        Quote: paul3390
        ended with the Soviet Union

        Democracy ended in ancient times. In our time, it is basically impossible.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 14: 57
      -2
      Quote: Dart2027
      There is no democracy in the USA.

      What kind of democracy can there be when a country was born without democracy?
      1. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 9 February 2021 15: 08
        +4
        That's right, if you have a pistol then you are protected, and if not, then everything that is yours belongs to them. Well, it's those who have the larger pistol.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 February 2021 15: 32
          0
          Quote: Alexander 3
          Well, this is for those who have a bigger gun.

          Whoever has a bigger gun has more democracy.
          1. Gato
            Gato 9 February 2021 15: 54
            +1
            Whoever has a bigger gun has more democracy.

            To paraphrase the movie hero Eastwood:
            "There are two types of democracy: one that has a revolver loaded and one that digs. You will dig."
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 49
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      There is no democracy in the USA.

      You see, (according to your minuses) almost half of the people do not believe this, I understand those who live on the outskirts, but not in .....
  7. yehat2
    yehat2 9 February 2021 14: 43
    +3
    Quote: paul3390
    As in any capital country.

    the oligarchy does not rule everywhere in the capitalist countries.
    especially such as ours, which is focused precisely on power and its external attributes, like the Papuans on the beads. There are mega-rich people in the USA, but they are not visible or heard, only sometimes something flashes in the news. And in our country, every day, another cattle-offspring crushed someone or did some other kind of toughness, another palace surfaced, etc.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 15: 33
      -3
      Quote: yehat2
      There are mega-rich people in the USA, but they are not visible or heard, only in the news sometimes something flashes.

      So their capitalism is 300 years old, and Russian is only 30 years old.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 9 February 2021 16: 09
        +1
        their capitalism is at most 200 years old, moreover, it was restarted in fact after the Great Depression
        those. this particular version is less than 100 years old. And if you take into account the Bretton Woods system, then the US capitalism is even less - about 60.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 February 2021 16: 42
          -2
          Quote: yehat2
          it was restarted in fact after the great depression

          Launch, do not launch, and they started capitalism even under Britain, everything else is just varnishing with time.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 9 February 2021 17: 00
            +1
            if you mean that capitalism has improved over time, then this is a maximum of 1 generation. This primitive system has a very low ceiling, so corporations with their own internal planning, planning in the USSR and China made capitalism playfully. As soon as the situation becomes unfavorable, all their gloss and huge financial bubbles will disappear.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 9 February 2021 19: 05
              -1
              Quote: yehat2
              if you mean that capitalism has improved over time, then this is a maximum of 1 generation.

              The economy of capitalism and the Marx Manifesto, we went to universities, I don’t want to remember, everything has passed and will no longer be. At this stage, capitalism has triumphed.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 9 February 2021 19: 50
                +1
                but this is not about Marx and the manifesto.
                we are talking about the structure of the economy and economic ties. Look at the statistics of how many idlers or absurd professions in developed capitalism, such as fashionable haircuts for dogs and the designer of their clothes. Keynes also deduced that capitalism spends at least 20% of the gross product just to ensure the structure of the market, in reality much more. This is an overdof.
                That is why economies with a planned structure are always more efficient in doing business.
                It doesn't matter if it's the ultra-aggressive Reich or the Soviet economy or the corporate system.
                You are too horny rested on slogans and do not see what is being discussed.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 51
                  -2
                  Quote: yehat2
                  You are too horny rested on slogans and do not see what is being discussed.

                  Sorry, but you got carried somewhere with a dog haircut, and so did the rest.
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 February 2021 14: 45
    +1
    It is necessary to pursue a policy of principle, or we talk on equal terms or do not talk at all!
    1. Gato
      Gato 9 February 2021 15: 50
      0
      talk on equal terms or do not talk at all

      This resembles a children's joke:
      - Son, you shouldn't be friends with Vaska, he's a bad boy!
      - Am I a good boy?
      - Yes.
      - So Vaska can be friends with me?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 56
        0
        Quote: Gato
        - Son, you shouldn't be friends with Vaska, he's a bad boy!

        It's a good joke, but no one has ever had friendship. There was only mutually beneficial cooperation for a certain period of time.
        1. Gato
          Gato 9 February 2021 21: 02
          +1
          and friendship, so it never and no one had.

          Naturally, friendship is a purely interpersonal concept, in politics there are only objects and subjects, in the sense that we are them or pineapple.
          1. Gato
            Gato 9 February 2021 21: 02
            -1
            *** they are us (damned T9), but it turned out well too laughing
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 February 2021 21: 10
            +1
            Quote: Gato
            in the sense we are them or pineapple.

            Yes, since 1991, they switched to pineapples. I would like to have potatoes with bacon.
  9. zenion
    zenion 9 February 2021 15: 14
    +1
    Really no difference. In the Urals, there was such a proverb - the Tatars are one devil for us, that vodka, that a machine gun, just to knock them off their feet.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 20: 58
      0
      Quote: zenion
      In the Urals, there was such a proverb - the Tatars are one devil for us, that vodka, that a machine gun, just to knock them off their feet.

      And it turns out, as always, "What a rose, what a toilet to smell, if only it smelled."
  10. Gato
    Gato 9 February 2021 15: 44
    +1
    Compatriots who seriously believe that the US attitude to Russia depends on what kind of person sits in the White House are surprising

    The author is surprising, who apparently considers Russia to be a kind of monolithic entity. And in it there are different groups, small groups, parties and separate Kremlin towers, which are not at all indifferent to what kind of democracy representative is sitting on the "shining hill" - their well-being is strongly correlated with this sort, and even with a specific mee .. person.
    But the average "Petrovich" from the conditional Kostroma - yes, it does not matter.
  11. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 9 February 2021 16: 49
    0
    "For Russia, there is no difference from who occupies the chair in the Oval Office of the White House" - obvious stupidity, even more - just our laziness and arrogance. Given the strategic identity of liberals and conservatives in America, the nuances there are very significant, and not using these nuances is simply a sin.
  12. eklmn
    eklmn 9 February 2021 18: 55
    -1
    "... when the then leader of the country did everything to please overseas partners."
    I don’t understand anything! It turns out that Gorbachev's decision to exclude the main role of the CPSU from the Constitution was, in the author's opinion, imposed from abroad? Yeah ...
  13. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 10 February 2021 19: 08
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    *** they are us (damned T9), but it turned out well too laughing

    I am for pineapple and we are for them!

    Quote: eklmn
    “.... It turns out that Gorbachev's decision to exclude the main role of the CPSU from the Constitution was, in the author's opinion, imposed from abroad? Yeah ...

    Well, the opposite has not yet been proven, so it can be assumed. Gorbachev sold or handed over the country in bulk, he had no time to figure it out.
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  15. andrew42
    andrew42 April 5 2021 11: 10
    0
    Indeed, today it is obvious that the topic of discussion of the candidacy of "Sitting in the Oval Office" serves only as a pretext for scratching with tongues the prolific political experts from numerous political science institutions - to justify their own need. The significance of this debate is initially less than Guberniev's chatter on the Sport TV channel - there is more varied movement - who was sold where, who could score, who scored on everything. Utility in the everyday sense is also zero.