The Ministry of Defense has completed the first stage of testing the BMPT "Terminator"

The first stage of testing of a support combat vehicle has been completed in the Central Military District tanks (BMPT) "Terminator". The press service of the district reports.

According to the report, the first part of the experiment on the use of BMPT was completed at a tank range in the Chelyabinsk region. At the first stage, the main attention was paid to the study of control bodies and the weapons system. Assistance in the study of BMPT was provided by the specialists of the manufacturer (Uralvagonzavod - approx.)

During the trial application, which started on December 1, 2020, the crews conducted a series of driving, firepower and technical training sessions

- said in a statement.

The second stage of the experiment, the start date of which has not been named, will be devoted to the use of BMPTs in the battle formations of tank units. Shooting will also be practiced in various tactical situations.

Recall that the first batch of eight BMPT "Terminator" entered the 90th Tank Division, stationed in the Chelyabinsk region, for trial operation at the end of November 2020. Prior to that, BMPT was checked during the "Kavkaz-2020" command-and-control system.

BMPT "Terminator" is made on the chassis of the T-72. The vehicle is armed with two 30mm 2A42 automatic cannons, a 7,62mm PKT machine gun, and four launch containers for the 9M120 guided missiles (Attack complex).

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[SaLaR]

Jean-Claude Vandam Thermi Natooor .............................................. ..

[Konnick]

Hopefully this Jean Claude's head will be fired at from the PC in order to test the modules for resistance to small arms fire.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Konnick

Hopefully this Jean Claude's head will be fired at from the PC in order to test the modules for resistance to small arms fire.

And not only the small one! Of the larger calibers, isn't it necessary, at least from some distance, as in reality.

[hirurg]

Terminator, if I'm not mistaken, was released in 2011 or 2012. Terrible firepower. The RF Armed Forces did not show any interest in it. Only Kazakhstan bought it initially.
Until he showed his effectiveness in Syria, they preferred to remain silent about him.

[Flooding]

Quote: hirurg

It was originally bought only by Kazakhstan.

Interestingly, no reliable information has emerged about supplies to Algeria.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: hirurg

Terminator, if I'm not mistaken, was released in 2011 or 2012 ...

The first BMPT "Terminator" saw the light in 2000 - with another 2A42.
In 2002, the "Terminator" "grew" the second 2A42.

[Civil]

Quote: cat Rusich

Quote: hirurg

Terminator, if I'm not mistaken, was released in 2011 or 2012 ...

The first BMPT "Terminator" saw the light in 2000 - with another 2A42.
In 2002, the "Terminator" "grew" the second 2A42.

I also remember how they took him to exhibitions, was created based on the experience of the war in Chechnya.

[AVA77]

What is the connection between Jean-Claude Vandam, terminator and Russian military equipment.

[SaLaR]

I'm also wondering ... are there really not enough Russian names ... ???

[AVA77]

Fick knows. Maybe the people like it, or maybe the developers are planning to create an autonomous platform based on the chassis (T-72 terminator. And their dofiga). They are artists, they see it that way.

[Aerodrome]

The Ministry of Defense has completed the first stage of testing the BMPT "Terminator"

in 20 years ... not in a hurry?

[SaLaR]

They have allocated a lot of money ... they do not have time to cut ...

[YOUR]

Its purpose in battle is not clear, so they are in no hurry.

Tanks do not fight alone. Support for infantry, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers.
The BMPT has no higher visibility than the tank, i.e. he himself needs support. All this advertising that he is replacing an infantry platoon and 6 infantry fighting vehicles, it is not clear what it is based on, can only be a desire to sell the car. Two cannons are three times less than 6 on an infantry fighting vehicle, and in battle these 6 cannons will be able to simultaneously fire at 6 targets, while the BMPT has only one target of its two. 6 targets will also be able to fire at ATGM BMP, while BMPT only one. AGS are fixed in fencing niches, the angle of fire is small, but the BMP does not have this either, and they can only be used by approaching the enemy. Another advantage in booking. But 6 combat vehicles with identical weapons, each is 6 vehicles.

How a tank platoon attacks together with a motorized rifle company.
Tank, behind in 20 - 50 meters BMP, after 100 meters second tank behind BMP, 3rd tank ... BMP. In total, along the front, 300 - 500 meters. Where to push BMPT into such a formation and how can it replace 6 BMPs, according to Uralvagonzavod advertising.
Fight in urban development. The tank is in the center, one BMP is on the right, the second is on the left, the third is usually behind. BMPs are held at gunpoint opposite sides. Here's where to put the BMPT. Can only control one side. And than in addition to booking it will be better than three BMPs.
The same in defense.

That's why they are in no hurry. May be put into service, but so far its presence in combat formations has not been determined

[Cottodraton]

The Terminator is the line between the light and dark sides of the planet ... And here the terminator and something foreign ...

[SaLaR]

I meant Russian ... not borrowed

[Paranoid50]

Quote: SaLaR

meant Russian ... and not borrowed

And then he was burnt. However, "ghusky".

[SaLaR]

you wanna say that word Terminator Russian? Kid learn Russian and do not skip lessons

[tranquil]

70% of the English language consists of foreign borrowings, of which about 40% are French. And nothing, nobody worries. Language is a living and plastic matter for which borrowing is a natural process. The absence of such changes is the first sign of a dead language.

[SaLaR]

I'm not worried ... but if a person skipped Russian, and then begins to teach everyone with aplomb ... it's funny

[yehat2]

a terminator is a separator for something.
for example, light and shadow, the policeman and the court, separate the beggar from the rich and are also a terminator.

[Old tanker]

Probably with the film "Universal Soldier", the film "Terminator" is entangled.

[Bar1]

Uralzavod decided to reject this Americanism and call it after ours.

[grigorii]

Let's see what happens next.

[Emil mamedoff]

Two 2A42 cannons are good, of course, and "Attack" too, though only for line of sight, but penetrates more than 900mm, not bad, and there is a need for them. But when will the new generation ATGMs be on this vehicle? (although they are not new for a long time.)
Without them, IMHO, not a terminator, but a maximum Schwarzenegger of retirement age.
The Russian Federation sells Cornets to Turkey, because there is a need for them as well, but what prevents the Russian Federation from purchasing Omtas ATGMs from them? After all, they will not refuse, but on the contrary. We would have installed at least one additional such launcher, with a stock of missiles inside the car, and there would be no price for this machine. At least for a while, until you do it yourself, what prevents you from buying and equipping? Not shameful not once, I will say.
I know they will throw stones at you,) but this is my opinion .. And it's high time to do it. This is not just an ATGM for destroying an enemy tank, but much more, those who own such things know well.

[Lech from Android.]

What are the results of the tests? What niche will this BMPT occupy in our army? And will it occupy at all?

[loki565]

As for me, it could well be replaced by a heavy BMP, it has much more functionality. Whatever one may say, tanks will not do anything without infantry.

[AVA77]

Chassis T-72 dofiga in storage. New heavy infantry fighting vehicles the cat cried, that's the whole answer

[Old tanker]

In terms of functionality, it is much smaller than BMPT. A regular BMP, only with heavy armor and a more powerful cannon.
You need to consider everything as a whole.
Option.
A motorized rifle company on a heavy BMP 'Armata "10-11 units, in addition to this, there are 3 tanks (platoon)" Armata "and a platoon (3 units) of BMPTs. guns are poured over the enemy's trenches with fragmentation shells for prophylaxis (so that none of the bastard pokes their heads out). breaks of 57 OFZ, well, when approaching the front edge of the BMPT, they bring down those who did not raise their hands with such an onslaught from automatic grenade launchers).
And I have not yet mentioned the cannon and rocket artillery, "Solntsepёki", electronic warfare means and anti-aircraft gunners that cover from air attack.
This is how the modern combined arms battle goes. And to this add that everything is cooked in a single tactical control network (as they like to say "network-centric war").
And I did not mention aviation. Since her outfit (sorties by type of aviation are very strictly limited).

[loki565]

In terms of functionality, it is much less BMPT.

Than? AGS there with a narrow firing sector and an extra crew. ATGM there is the same, 30mm no longer meets modern realities, so it is hastily changed to 57mm In general, BMPT is a stripped-down version of TBMP without the ability to transport troops

[Old tanker]

On what basis of equipment, besides the experimental T-15 "Armata" ", is the 30mm cannon hastily changed? Please specify.
Well, low efficiency is a very relative definition. For what purposes is it ineffective? According to the calculations of ATGMs and grenade launchers, to combat which the 2A42 BMPT are intended, are 2 30mm guns ineffective? Yes, even in light field shelters they will pick out. And in open areas, the weight of the total salvo of the 2A42 with its rate of fire of 550 rounds per minute will surpass the weight of the total salvo of the 57 mm gun with its 80 rounds per minute. And the sumarous salvo of "Terminator" from two guns, even more so. However, nothing prevents in the future from replacing two 30mm cannons with one 57mm.
ATGMs on these machines are different. But the characteristics are almost the same. Except that there is a supersonic "Attack" on the Terminator on the subsonic "Cornet" combat modules. Accordingly, less time for firing and less chances for the target for an anti-missile maneuver and aerosol cover.
At the expense of the narrow sector of shelling AG-17.
Nowhere I was able to find its digital value, either in degrees or in thousandths. Only general words about "limited sector". But judging by the placement of the grenade launchers, they allow you to cover a fairly wide sector in the direction of the vehicle.
A significant drawback of the BMPT, in my opinion, is the weak armor of the combat module. Which can be easily hit by small-caliber artillery shells and large-caliber shrapnel.

[loki565]

On what basis of equipment, besides the experimental T-15 "Armata" ", is the 30mm cannon hastily changed? Please specify.

BMP3

For what purposes is it ineffective? According to the calculations of ATGMs and grenade launchers, to combat which the 2A42 BMPT are intended, are 2 30mm guns ineffective?

Against grenade launchers, yes, against ATGMs, no. Sighting range is not the same. For 57mm, they are developing shells with remote detonation, which significantly increases the chance of hitting manpower behind shelters, in trenches, etc. for 30mm versions such developments are not carried out.

ATGMs on these machines are different. But the characteristics are almost the same. Except that there is a supersonic "Attack" on the Terminator on the subsonic "Cornet" combat modules.

identical, attack

At the expense of the narrow sector of shelling AG-17.

In the new version of the terminator, they were abandoned, the crew is 3 people.

[Old tanker]

The BMP-3 with a 57mm combat module did not receive further development from the exhibition model. Don't be cunning.

In the new version of the terminator, they were abandoned, the crew is 3 people.

The AG-90s supplied to 17 TD are installed. Crews 5 people.

identical, attack

The last option with "Cornet"
https://youtu.be/QhMBDTe4SGQ

Against grenade launchers, yes, against ATGMs, no. Sighting range is not the same. For 57mm, they are developing shells with remote detonation, which significantly increases the chance of hitting manpower behind shelters, in trenches, etc. for 30mm versions such developments are not carried out.

Effective firing range from 2A42 to manpower 4000m. This is just the early range of the most massive portable ATGMs. Although in the European theater of operations, such line-of-sight ranges are rare. Basically 2000-2500m. Well, an exception may be the steppe zones of our country and Ukraine (which is becoming important today). Even at a distance of 2000m or more, a portable ATGM is difficult to detect. Is that start to detect. And then to disrupt guidance (the operator's point is not iron and he will be forced to take cover) a sheaf of 30mm tracers is much more effective than the 1st 57mm. Yes, you look from this sheaf which next to the operator will please, it will be destroyed or the installation will be damaged.

[loki565]

The last option with "Cornet"
https://youtu.be/QhMBDTe4SGQ

This is the attack, only it was covered with a casing like on BMPT
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/2020/11/10/на-форуме-армия-2020-показали-боевую-ма/

[Old tanker]

Maybe you are right. This does not play a big role.

[loki565]

A simple example. The attack of tanks is covered by BMPTs, one tank is knocked out, the crew leaves the car and dies ... since the BMPT cannot evacuate it, there is no room, and an ordinary BMP will not get there and the floor of the road will not reach it. , will cover the crew with a corps and evacuate. In Syria, they faced this when the BMP could not drive up to the damaged tank and had to drag the tank along with the crew on cables. But it is not always possible to pull the tank out this way.

[Old tanker]

Do you seriously think that in a combat conflict, not with the barmaley, BMP will withdraw from the battle to evacuate the wounded and even more intact tankers?
To do this, there are special vehicles in the medical posts / medical platoons of battalions. From antediluvian "loaves", GTMU and MTLB to more modern ones. The platoon commander / paramedic of the battalion monitors the battlefield and directs the medical evacuation to the battalion's wounded collection point.

[loki565]

Sometimes you need to evacuate directly from the battlefield, no motorcycle league will help there, the Israelis will equip a small compartment in tanks specially for these purposes

[yehat2]

efficiency is determined not only by the weapon itself, but elementary by those shells that are available for them in warehouses. For example, we have quite powerful fighters, but there are still Soviet missiles in warehouses, there are very few new ones. And what is the use of a fighter?
In the same way, our most powerful tank gun now rests against insufficient BOPS,
30 and 57 mm guns have little chance of getting modern shells, which are only available at exhibitions. So we have to get rid of it. It is also worth recalling the traditional lag in systems, visibility, guidance and even communication, in slowing down the introduction of new developments.
At one time, I was shocked on Mistral when I heard their announcements over the loudspeaker of the ship - no usual interference, distortion and wheezing, absolutely clear sound. This is the difference.
the same terminator was relevant in 1990, but 20 years have passed, and it has not actually changed.
Its weapons are generally 50 years old. And what, is such a machine needed now?

[Cananecat]

One gun is not enough ... it's not for nothing that the second 30-ku was stuck on the BMPT. If you cut a heavy BMP under the BMPT, then immediately under two barrels. All the same, in urban combat conditions, it is much easier to disable a module with one gun than with two.

[YOUR]

So.
In any case, the tank attack is supported by motorized riflemen. Without Vanya infantry, no where. The usual formation is one tank per motorized rifle platoon. Whatever one may say, these are three cars and not one.

[Siberian 66]

The car is necessary. In Afghanistan and Chechnya, they didn't add anything to the bodies of trucks, MTLBs and armored personnel carriers, in order to stay alive and sharply increase their firepower .. Therefore, when some armchair military men said, "nafig this BMPT is needed, we don't have it according to the state", those who fought spat in their direction very hard ..

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

The car is necessary. In Afghanistan and Chechnya, they didn't add anything to the bodies of trucks, MTLBs and armored personnel carriers, in order to stay alive and sharply increase their firepower .. Therefore, when some armchair military men said, "nafig this BMPT is needed, we don't have it according to the state", those who fought spat in their direction very hard ..

That's just what you showed in the photo is not at all the same as BMPT. You showed homemade MLRS for motorized riflemen. And the BMPT is a tank support vehicle.
And the main problem with this car is that in this form it really is not needed and it has no place in the states.

[Old tanker]

Here is a military trial operation and has now reached the level of determining the place of BMPT in combat formation and in the states. In Syria, the BMPT was successfully used as a combat vehicle for infantry fire support. So it can be used as part of tank units and as part of motorized rifle units. It all depends on the tactical tasks being solved.
So, in my opinion, its place in the state is a separate company in a tank / motorized rifle regiment or brigade.

[Mouse]

The name Terminator is marketing, to promote foreign buyers ...
Maoeeting ....

[olegff68]

Terminator (from Lat. Terminare - to limit, o / to complete, to complete .....
In addition to the well-known film, the word has several meanings in science and technology.

[spirit]

Well, as the chief designer of this unit said:
Despite the TK of the Ministry of Defense, instead of a simple and cheap sledgehammer to combat infantry, we made a microscope to combat tanks
Why why?
History is silent!

[loki565]

NDA right now would be the opinion of the alkanaut, as an expert to position)))

[Konnick]

Quote: Starover_Z

Quote: Konnick

Hopefully this Jean Claude's head will be fired at from the PC in order to test the modules for resistance to small arms fire.

And not only the small one! Of the larger calibers, isn't it necessary, at least from some distance, as in reality.

For a combat module, 7,62 is enough, optoelectronic devices do not have any resistance, and even the dimensions are decent.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes ... the technique is powerful. I would go to my mother-in-law in this yard. So that the month stutters and does not meddle in other people's affairs.)

[Ruslan Sledkov]

Something in the description of the weapons of the terminator in this article does not have automatic grenade launchers (that they have already been removed?). And so the news is good.

[loki565]

Most likely, a 5-man crew is already too much)))

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Ruslan Sledkov

Something in the description of the weapons of the terminator in this article does not have automatic grenade launchers (that they have already been removed?) ...

BMPT "Terminator" -1 Crew of 5 people. Armament - 2 2A42, 1 PKTM, 4 ATGM "Attack", 2 AGS-17 (for each AGS-17 along the arrow).
BMPT "Terminator" -2 Crew of 3 people. Armament - 2 2A42, 1 PKTM, 4 ATGM. AGS no longer exists - no, and 2 shooters for them... It is necessary to distinguish and concretize when writing articles and comments which "Terminator" is meant 1 or 2 ...

[psiho117]

Quote: cat Rusich

AGS no longer exists - not even 2 shooters for them. It is necessary to distinguish and concretize

Here are just 8 BMPT-1 vehicles on testing ("Two", apparently, in a single exhibition copy).
So you're right, you have to distinguish

[Azimuth]

Quote: Old Tanker

In terms of functionality, it is much smaller than BMPT. A regular BMP, only with heavy armor and a more powerful cannon.
You need to consider everything as a whole.
Option.
A motorized rifle company on a heavy BMP 'Armata "10-11 units, in addition to this, there are 3 tanks (platoon)" Armata "and a platoon (3 units) of BMPTs. guns are poured over the enemy's trenches with fragmentation shells for prophylaxis (so that none of the bastard pokes their heads out). breaks of 57 OFZ, well, when approaching the front edge of the BMPT, they bring down those who did not raise their hands with such an onslaught from automatic grenade launchers).
And I have not yet mentioned the cannon and rocket artillery, "Solntsepёki", electronic warfare means and anti-aircraft gunners that cover from air attack.
This is how the modern combined arms battle goes. And to this add that everything is cooked in a single tactical control network (as they like to say "network-centric war").
And I did not mention aviation. Since her outfit (sorties by type of aviation are very strictly limited).

Then, instead of cannons, multi-barreled 12,7mm machine guns of the YAKB aviation type would be more appropriate. 30mm does not provide the same density of fire.
Here is a heavy support vehicle with several ATGMs, AGS and 12.7mm machine guns.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Azimuth

12,7mm type YAKB aviation. 30mm does not provide the same density of fire.

And 12,7 do not provide the required power. 30mm allows you to combine the density of fire and the power inaccessible to a machine gun.

[yehat2]

Yes, how long can you be blunt and continue to reason with the density of fire?
a century has passed since ww2, where it was relevant. Already Vietnam in the 60s showed that IT does not work! This was clearly seen in the last war in Karabakh quite recently. And it is necessary to completely change the doctrine for high-quality and high-precision use of weapons. Yes, big bombs and clouds of bullets still mow, but there are ways to do it faster, with less cost and with a greater guarantee, and you need to use it.
And the story of entire shelves of BMPTs based on Armata is a utopia. They are too expensive and too slow.
Anyway, columns of armored vehicles are also more of an outdated stamp than something that works well. The power of fire has grown so much that intelligence has a key influence.

[Sands Careers General]

The Ministry of Defense has completed the first stage of testing the BMPT "Terminator"

They torture him for a long time, and they test everything.

Terminator, name fire))

Will there be a rise of machines from the ashes of nuclear fire?

[Pavel57]

Quote: Lech from Android.

What are the results of the tests? What niche will this BMPT occupy in our army? And will it occupy at all?

The main question. Most likely a niche sales abroad.

[22 dmdc]

Quote: SaLaR

I'm also wondering ... are there really not enough Russian names ... ???

Salars, or salyrs, are the migrated descendants of the Oguz Turks. Salars now live on the western tip of China in the provinces of Qinghai, Gansu and Xinjiang. The latter borders on Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, and therefore occasionally Salars can be found in these countries. The total number of Salars barely exceeds 100 thousand people, of which at least 60 thousand speak the Salar language. The language vaguely resembles Turkish or Uzbek, however, for a full-fledged study of Salar, it is advisable to know Chinese: the Salar do not have their own writing, therefore, Chinese characters are used here to write anything. Most of the Salars are bilingual - centuries of living together with the Chinese have an effect.
The word "salyr" itself means "a man brandishing a sword." The warlike people settled in the lands of western China in the XIV century and since then have regularly fought with their closest neighbors.

[Konnick]

Quote: Old Tanker

In terms of functionality, it is much smaller than BMPT. A regular BMP, only with heavy armor and a more powerful cannon.
You need to consider everything as a whole.
Option.
A motorized rifle company on a heavy BMP 'Armata "10-11 units, in addition to this, there are 3 tanks (platoon)" Armata "and a platoon (3 units) of BMPTs. guns are poured over the enemy's trenches with fragmentation shells for prophylaxis (so that none of the bastard pokes their heads out). breaks of 57 OFZ, well, when approaching the front edge of the BMPT, they bring down those who did not raise their hands with such an onslaught from automatic grenade launchers).
And I have not yet mentioned the cannon and rocket artillery, "Solntsepёki", electronic warfare means and anti-aircraft gunners that cover from air attack.
This is how the modern combined arms battle goes. And to this add that everything is cooked in a single tactical control network (as they like to say "network-centric war").
And I did not mention aviation. Since her outfit (sorties by type of aviation are very strictly limited).

This is not modern combat, this is the battle of the future (sarcasm, if anything). As always, couch experts are preparing for a network-centric war. Pillboxes ..., pillboxes ... trenches ... armada armadas made of reinforcement ... knock down everyone ... who didn't raise two hands ... just wet fantasies were played out. It's a pity the Armenians did not invite this "option" to their service, then Azerbaijan would have suffered a crushing defeat in Karabakh

[sen]

It is necessary to expand the capabilities of the "Terminator" - to make it capable of shooting down drones. Now such an ATGM is being developed.

The Instrument Design Bureau has begun developing the world's first multipurpose anti-tank missile system (ATGM), which can effectively shoot down drones. This was announced on February 5 by the industrial director of the Rostec weapons complex, Bekkhan Ozdoev.

https://iz.ru/1120900/2021-02-05/rossiiskii-protivotankovyi-kompleks-smozhet-sbivat-bespilotniki

[yehat2]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Machine needed

no one argues that the car is necessary.
argue that SUCH is not very necessary and there are many reasons for this.
especially after the appearance of remotely controlled turrets and panoramic sights on tanks.

[Hort]

But what if, as an option, not an ATGM to sculpt on it, but an EM-gun, such as portable ones, with which drones shoot down / land?

[yehat2]

it is difficult to say how effective it is. Especially without any opportunity to spot the target.
But for me (and not only me) it is at least strange to perceive the fact that, in fact, as blind as a tank and about the same armed (unless the intensity of the fire is really useful), he can significantly help tanks. It seems to me that it was much more useful to invest in KAZ, remotely controlled turrets on tanks, all-round view of cameras (as the Israelis do), as well as observation devices and replaceable modules for near-view drones, engineering equipment and mortars, as well as an adequate command system. battle control. This would help the tanks more than having a saw cutter in the rows.

[Hort]

so it seems like on the T-72 chassis for export, but on the T-90 base for the troops, or has something changed again?

[Radical]

Quote: Konnick

Hopefully this Jean Claude's head will be fired at from the PC in order to test the modules for resistance to small arms fire.

This is unlikely, since all the PR about the super-duper will go down the drain.