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Kalashnikov launched sales of a new version of the TG2 smoothbore carbine

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Kalashnikov launched sales of a new version of the TG2 smoothbore carbine

Concern "Kalashnikov" from Monday, February 8, 2021, began selling a new version of the TG2 smoothbore carbine. This was said in a statement.


On February 8, a new version of the TG2 smoothbore carbine (version 3) with a shortened barrel goes on sale in Kalashnikov brand zones throughout Russia. In appearance, this sample is identical to the AK104 assault rifle and "Saiga" rifled carbines version 33

- said in a statement.

It is noted that the feature weapons is that the appearance of the carbine is completely identical to the Kalashnikov assault rifle model AK-104, with the exception of minor nuances, such as the absence of a tide under the bayonet knife and under the ramrod. The carbine has a 341 mm barrel with a "Paradox" drilling, folding the stock to the left and Picatinny strips on the side of the forearm. Power is supplied from an elongated 10-round magazine.

The carbine is designed for the .366 TKM cartridge (9,5x38 mm). The cartridge has ballistics similar to the 7,62x39 mm cartridge and allows you to accurately hit targets at long distances. According to the company, the ballistics of the cartridge allows you to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 meters.
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 8 February 2021 11: 03
    +8
    the ballistics of the cartridge allows you to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 meters.
    It allows you to hit, but it doesn't allow you to hit. And by the way, what's the catch with the absence of a ramrod?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 8 February 2021 11: 21
      -1

      NDR-791 (Artyom)
      Today, 11: 03
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      0
      the ballistics of the cartridge allows you to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 meters.
      It allows you to hit, but it doesn't allow you to hit. And by the way, what's the catch with the absence of a ramrod?

      The carbine has a barrel 341 mm long with the Paradox drilling,
      The paradox never gave good accuracy.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 8 February 2021 11: 25
        +1
        And Lancaster does not suffer from it, especially with such a barrel length wassat And the same TG-2 410mm has been produced for a hundred years. So what is the news is not clear. And about the ramrod all the same interesting.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 8 February 2021 11: 49
          +1
          And about the ramrod all the same interesting.

          Shortened barrel?
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 8 February 2021 11: 52
            +6
            Shortened barrel?
            Who cares? There should be the same shortened ramrod. But in a regular place, not in your pocket. The pocket for the pencil case remains in the stock. You could just cut the horizontal guides for the bayonet. Overdid it - cut everything wassat
          2. loki565
            loki565 8 February 2021 11: 54
            +3
            It seems that here it is, it does not look like the picture in the article)))
      2. BARKAS
        BARKAS 8 February 2021 11: 28
        +7
        As a rule, 60-80 meters are quite enough.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 8 February 2021 11: 29
      +4
      Kalashnikov launched sales of a new version smoothbore carbine TG2
      Well, it's good that when you renew, you don't have to sign up and wander around to shoot in the bullet case. Such a hassle.
      1. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 8 February 2021 13: 03
        -2
        The sleek barrel does not negate the case.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 8 February 2021 15: 07
          +3
          Quote: Maki Avellevich
          The sleek barrel does not negate the case.

          It may not cancel, but it is not necessary to shoot the smoothbore when extending.
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      2. bairat
        bairat 8 February 2021 19: 13
        0
        Rifled is now being shot every 15 years.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 8 February 2021 19: 20
          +2
          Quote: bairat
          Rifled is now being shot every 15 years.

          Ayrat, my friend, you can reset the link to the document. I have a deadline for re-registering weapons soon.
          1. bairat
            bairat 8 February 2021 20: 06
            0
            I read in the media https://rg.ru/2018/01/15/policiia-budet-provodit-kontrolnyj-otstrel-nareznogo-ohotnichego-oruzhiia.html
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 8 February 2021 23: 06
              +1
              Quote: bairat
              I read in the media https://rg.ru/2018/01/15/policiia-budet-provodit-kontrolnyj-otstrel-nareznogo-ohotnichego-oruzhiia.html

              Thank you hi
    3. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 8 February 2021 11: 30
      +8
      And by the way, what's the catch with the absence of a ramrod?
      So smoothbore, ramrod can be twisted from several parts, i.e.
      compact. It is not necessary to carry it all the time fastened to the weapon.
    4. Proxima
      Proxima 8 February 2021 11: 33
      0
      An interesting product, of course! good On the one hand "Kalashnikov", and on the other hand - a shortened smoothbore and you can get permission without much trouble (not a rifled weapon). I wonder if they plan to design a cartridge for such a relatively large caliber (9,5mm) that shoots a shot? Or is it technologically difficult, after all, the weapon is smooth-bore. request
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 8 February 2021 11: 39
        +2
        Are you planning to design a cartridge that shoots shot under such a relatively large caliber (9,5mm)?
        Designed for a long time. Fraction seven. True, I have not seen it on sale, anyway no one takes them, the charge is too small. (pictured on the left)
        1. saygon66
          saygon66 8 February 2021 22: 20
          0
          - It looks like an analogue of "Glazer"! Developed "there" for indoor shooting, in order to avoid ricochets ... These are used by air travel security services.
          - According to reviews, holes are left hoo! How were they generally networked?
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 8 February 2021 21: 35
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        An interesting product, of course! On the one hand "Kalashnikov", and on the other hand - a shortened smoothbore and you can get permission without much hassle (not a rifled weapon). I wonder if they plan to design a cartridge for such a relatively large caliber (9,5mm) that shoots shot? Or is it technologically difficult, after all, the weapon is smooth-bore.

        Everything would be fine, but the cartridge is too expensive. By the way, there is a constant talk about the prohibition of drilling "Lancaster", which does not add optimism to the purchase of these not the cheapest barrels. Some people just wait 5 years (which is not so long and critical) and buy rifled barrels in popular and not expensive calibers.
    5. loki565
      loki565 8 February 2021 12: 11
      +1
      In new machines, the ramrod is either in the butt or in the handle
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 February 2021 12: 50
      +5
      Quote: NDR-791
      And by the way, what's the catch with the absence of a ramrod?

      Once upon a time I had a 12-gauge double-barreled gun, so it also did not provide a place for a ramrod. I came home from hunting and cleaned it.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 8 February 2021 12: 59
        0
        Once upon a time I had a double-barreled 12 gauge
        I also don't have a ramrod on it. But constructively it is not convenient to cram into it. But it is just as inconvenient to climb the bushes looking for a suitable branch to clean the trunk when you bang with your head in a snowdrift (it happens) repeat And here ... everything was foreseen, but the best is the enemy of the good?
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 8 February 2021 16: 35
          0
          I also don't have a ramrod on it. But constructively it is not convenient to cram into it. But it is just as inconvenient to climb the bushes looking for a suitable branch to clean the trunk when you bang with your head in a snowdrift (it happens)
          A coil of copper wire and rags, does not take up much space in a backpack. In the forest, he stretched along the trunk and norms, and already in the hut, or at home, you can work with a ramrod.
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 8 February 2021 18: 56
          -1
          Quote: NDR-791
          clean the trunk when you bang with your head in a snowdrift (it happens)
          If the chamber is 76 mm and do not shoot with extreme weights, you do not need to clean it: it will spit it out.
      2. Snail N9
        Snail N9 8 February 2021 13: 14
        +8
        The cartridge has ballistics similar to the 7,62x39 mm cartridge and allows you to accurately hit targets at long distances.

        winked repeat
        According to the company, the ballistics of the cartridge allows you to hit targets at a distance of up to 300 meters.

        yes
        Actually it's "dofiga". But what are these "goals" to "hit"? And how to "hit" them? That is, with what slaughter? Well, to be honest, I doubt that with such a short barrel of 300 meters you can get anywhere at all ... Well, I also hate the "hunting weapon" channeling under the "combat". Well, for example: you are walking through the woods, and on your back it is not clear what - "Kalash", not "Kalash"? Moreover, you are in camouflage and what will people think of you? Hunter? Or "action movie"? Or "runaway"? And in general, "hunting weapons" are "art" and a kind of "culture", like hunting itself, and to turn all this into something purely utilitarian .... well, that kind of thing .... angry
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 9 February 2021 13: 33
          0
          You are absolutely right, hunting should have a hunting weapon, not an army rework, and even with insufficient cartridge power. The game should not survive the painful shock, and not suffer from wounds. The meat tastes bad ...
    7. YOUR
      YOUR 8 February 2021 13: 02
      0
      The hunting weapon is not equipped with a ramrod. Buy everything separately.
      1. dSK
        dSK 8 February 2021 13: 57
        0
        A legal "civilian" machine gun may be like in the States and "civilian" machine guns ...
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 8 February 2021 14: 00
          0
          Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, we are far from such possession of weapons as in the United States. Most likely, nothing like this will ever happen.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 8 February 2021 18: 59
            0
            Quote: YOUR
            to such possession of weapons as in the United States is far
            Until what? Everything is very different there: from an almost complete ban to open wearing.
            1. YOUR
              YOUR 9 February 2021 01: 24
              0
              There are restrictions in the states of California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey and New York, there is no complete ban in any state.
              And what restrictions, for example, the most serious in California - and what, well, laugh
              A 5-year firearm safety certificate, obtained by paying a $ 25 fee, submitting applicant details to the state, and passing a written test under the supervision of a DOJ certified instructor, is required for the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of any firearm. ... Pistols sold by dealers must be "California Legal" and must be listed on the Registry of Certified Pistols for Sale
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 8 February 2021 18: 58
          +1
          MC 567 is not a machine gun, of course. But he spits out a noble bullet.
        3. Revolver
          Revolver 8 February 2021 21: 09
          0
          Quote: dsk
          will be like in the States and "civilian" machine guns

          Under federal law of 1986, automatic weapons are PROHIBITED for individuals in the United States. An exception was made for barrels fired and registered before the law came into force. They can be bought and sold along with registration. Therefore, their prices are prohibitive, i.e. tens of thousands of $$, a bank robbery just can't beat that amount. laughing
        4. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 9 February 2021 00: 45
          +4
          Quote: dsk
          , it may be like in the States and "civilian" machine guns ...
          DP-O
          Degtyarev infantry - hunting 7,62x54R.
          Maxim-hunting
          Hunting Maxim 7,62x54R. (hunting carbine Maxim)
          Redesigned from real machine guns, but modified for single fire, DP-O still has a magazine for 10 rounds. There is also a "Shmayser" -hunting (hunting carbine MP-40), PPSh-41-hunting VPO-135, carbine KO VSS 9x39mm (Vintorez-hunting), MA-APS 9x18mm (Stechkin-hunting) - everything has been converted from combat, with restrictions provided by law ...
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 9 February 2021 04: 24
            +1
            DP-O can still figure out how to carry on the hunt.
            And what about the hunting Maxim 7,62x54R?
            1. IImonolitII
              IImonolitII 9 February 2021 11: 21
              +1
              Well, on such a tactical hunt with DP, you can dig in a hunting lodge and install Maxim there - to fight off the bears of a potential enemy.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 9 February 2021 12: 59
                0
                Quote: IImonolitII
                fight off bears of a potential enemy
                And, I understood: they inserted an advertisement into the "Avanpost".
    8. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 8 February 2021 23: 29
      0
      I absolutely agree - 300 meters smoothbore? Unreal. Most likely, the bullet flies at 300, but at these three hundred it will not even be able to pierce an inch - it will simply bury itself. It's like with a small thing, if you read the instructions - one and a half kilometers, but in reality it is 100 - 150 meters.
  2. Mooh
    Mooh 8 February 2021 11: 04
    +4
    We must take it.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 11: 10
      +3
      I agree, handsome, although not for hunting! The game and the beast should have a chance, so the classic - two trunks is fair.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 February 2021 11: 32
        +15
        Well - load two cartridges in the store, if you want sports. laughing Or do you need a broken elbow, a tweed hunting suit, a hat with a feather and over the knee boots? wink
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 February 2021 12: 19
          +10
          Paul, hi !
          Quote: paul3390
          a fracture on the elbow, a tweed hunting suit, a hat with a feather and boots

          And, of course, a special "hunting" mustache.

          All "real and honest" hunters wear these. Those who do not have their own - you can glue ... laughing
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 12: 50
            +6
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Those who do not have their own - you can glue ...

            Well, or draw! good
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 8 February 2021 13: 00
              +6
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Those who do not have their own - you can glue ...

              Well, or draw!

              came to work with a painted mustache. The women with painted eyebrows said that I was a stupid person. laughing wassat
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 8 February 2021 14: 41
                +5
                Quote: glory1974
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Those who do not have their own - you can glue ...

                Well, or draw!

                came to work with a painted mustache. The women with painted eyebrows said that I was a stupid person. laughing wassat

                laughing laughing good drinks

                Interestingly, they are also tattooing eyebrows now. Such a temporary tattoo, after a few years, dissolves - my wife told me.
                To fill a tattoo with a mustache is incomparable ... with a grated "burnt" ... laughing
                1. saygon66
                  saygon66 8 February 2021 22: 22
                  +1
                  - "Blue Beard"! Ushish!
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 8 February 2021 16: 01
                +2
                Women with painted eyebrows said that I was a foolish person. laughing
                just jealous, they ... wink
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 12: 22
          +4
          Quote: paul3390
          Well - load two cartridges in the store, if you want sports. laughing Or do you need a broken elbow, a tweed hunting suit, a hat with a feather and over the knee boots? wink

          What to waste on trifles, I suggest you go hunting with the Maxim machine gun. A similar masterpiece is on sale in the domestic market under the name "Maxim's Carabiner". Only one problem in the thick tape should not be more than 10 rounds.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 8 February 2021 14: 18
            +2
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            "Maxim's carbine"

            They sell the MR-38, too, like a carbine ...
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 15: 43
              +4
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              "Maxim's carbine"

              They sell the MR-38, too, like a carbine ...

              Here with the "schmaser" in the forest, I personally would not risk it. It will take a long time to explain from the beginning in the hospital and then in the licensed department of the National Guard, which shameful wolves after a box of vodka put it there without cutting the fly and turned it half a turn !!!
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 9 February 2021 01: 07
                +1
                Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                half a turn !!!

                It was still lucky, we could have a couple of turns!
        3. BARKAS
          BARKAS 8 February 2021 12: 38
          +1
          Well - load two cartridges in the store, if you want a sporty one .. laughing Or do you need a fracture on the elbow, a tweed hunting suit, a hat with a feather and boots? wink

          When Austrians and Germans come here to hunt roe deer in the Trans-Urals, they do exactly that.
      2. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 8 February 2021 11: 44
        +7
        Vladislav hi Quite right, not for hunting. Possibly for self-defense and entertaining shots.
        This is just a marketing ploy of the Kalashnikov concern, the ability to sell no longer guns but also carbines for smoothbore licenses.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 12: 27
          +5
          Hello Alexey - Kalashnikov is selling a "brand"! Although the drilling-paradox is interesting in itself.
          For home defense, why not! Although if you strictly follow the rules for storing firearms, then your grandmother also said for two, you will have time to run to the safe, open two, or even three locks, load.
          It's easier to have a cleaver or a shovel at hand, but better to have a strong door and a mobile phone.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 8 February 2021 16: 03
            +1
            It's easier to have a cleaver or a shovel at hand, but better to have a strong door and a mobile phone.
            and "Rolex" on either of the two, as in the joke of one bearded ... to tell the robber right away !? laughing lol
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 8 February 2021 21: 42
            +2
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            For home defense, why not!

            Accordion. For "home defense" 12 gauge smooth + pump or semi-automatic is more than sufficient. At distances up to 25 meters, there is little that can withstand buckshot, especially in 12 caliber (some in all seriousness consider 410 to be quite sufficient). Well, if it's for defense.
  3. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 8 February 2021 11: 18
    +4
    A good option for home defense. There will be money to buy something like that.
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 8 February 2021 11: 29
    -4
    All this is certainly awkward, especially in connection with the inclinations of the type of people's representatives and police officers to ban Lancaster and Paradox drilling on FIG. Well - or transfer them to the category of thread. What to do for those who buy for smooth - hz ... So - in this state, you can expect anything, any stupidity. If they have a rough-and-tumble melkan .. Although under the type of a totalitarian regime they were selling in household stores. Total - I would not recommend to burst into shops for this creation yet .. As if not to make hemorrhoids.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 12: 30
      +6
      Quote: paul3390
      police officers


      What has the police got to do with it? Or shit in a slipper is more important than realizing the simple truth of licensing firearms for 5 years now, the Russian Guard!
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 8 February 2021 18: 52
        -5
        Is there a difference for you ??? belay
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 8 February 2021 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      All this is certainly awkward, especially in connection with the inclinations of the type of people's representatives and police officers to ban Lancaster and Paradox drilling on FIG

      Come on. 12 smoothbore caliber, buckshot cartridges are a bomb in skillful hands. Don't stir up panic. And in the paws of a monkey and an F-1 grenade is useless.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 9 February 2021 10: 18
        0
        What do I have to do with it?? I'm not trying to ban Lancaster ..

        Not so long ago a small note flashed in the newspaper Izvestia.

        In short, the State Duma is studying the possibility of tightening the circulation of civilian weapons. Lancaster calibers are mentioned in passing, which made the five-year experience in the purchase of rifled weapons formal. The State Duma had a brilliant idea to equate it with a rifled weapon and bring these calibers to the rifled experience.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 9 February 2021 19: 16
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          What do I have to do with it?? I'm not trying to ban Lancaster ..

          Duc, I do not blame you. I am just hinting that with the usual 12 or 410 it is quite possible to solve the problem if skill and intelligence are present.
          Quote: paul3390
          The State Duma had a brilliant idea to equate it with a rifled weapon and bring these calibers to the rifled experience.

          Well, this is not a big deal. IMHO.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 9 February 2021 19: 44
            -1
            Quote: Tank Hard
            I am just hinting that with the usual 12 or 410 it is quite possible to solve the problem

            Well - I hint unnecessarily, tea 5 barrels in the safe .. wink
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 9 February 2021 19: 48
              0
              Quote: paul3390
              Well - I hint unnecessarily, tea 5 barrels in the safe

              Congratulations!
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 9 February 2021 20: 06
                0
                Thanks. But alas - after the rat in 2014, there is no money for what I would like. crying So - I was going to buy it earlier, but I put it off. belay After all, life seems to teach that it will only get worse, but no, according to the old Soviet habit, you always hope for a better future .. what
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 9 February 2021 20: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Thanks. But alas - after the rat in 2014, there is no money for what I would like to see ... So - I was going to buy it earlier, but I put it off ... I put it off ... After all, life seems to teach that it will only get worse, but no , according to the old Soviet habit, you always hope for a better future

                  I don't have it at all. Although everything is there, and a hunting ticket and a crust about training. But stupidly there is no time for fiddling with permissions. If I make up my mind, I'll take 12 second-hand pump for 5 rubles, there are plenty of proposals, enough to protect the house.
  5. kytx
    kytx 8 February 2021 11: 38
    +1
    What about the price tag?
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 8 February 2021 11: 59
      +2
      With a long barrel 40590 r, with the same as in article 43 thousand rubles.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 8 February 2021 12: 13
        +4
        In the GOU now a long barrel with a discount goes
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard 8 February 2021 21: 50
      0
      Quote: kytx
      What about the price tag?

      And this is the main point. laughing
  6. Pavel73
    Pavel73 8 February 2021 12: 05
    +9
    Eh, it would be better if 22lr was equated to a smoothbore ... In order not to wait five years, purely for the sake of sports interest. Cartridges are small, cheap. I went to a shooting range or a shooting range and fell for pleasure! The danger cannot even be compared with a shotgun, especially a 12 gauge.

    And these Lancaster paradoxical perversions would not be needed.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 12: 33
      +6
      I agree with you!
      In principle, it is even possible to simplify obtaining a license if a weapon chambered for "small things" is bought for recreational and sports shooting.
    2. hhurik
      hhurik 8 February 2021 13: 48
      +1
      In fact, a long time ago .22LR cartridges weren't cheap. From the word at all. wink Oddly enough, these now conditionally include 7,62x39, 5,45x39, 9x19 and 9x18. Why it happened is not clear winked
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 8 February 2021 14: 02
        +2
        Is it? Domestic "Standard" 5,6 mm - 480 rubles. per box 50 pieces. That is, one cartridge is less than 10 rubles. And 7,62x39 - 245 rubles. per box 20 pieces. That is more than 12 rubles. per cartridge. Of course, if you compare them in terms of price / power ratio, then 7,62x39 is much cheaper :). And if you need not power, but the minimum cost of one shot? In my opinion 5,6 mm is beyond competition.
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 8 February 2021 15: 39
          +1
          https://www.tempgun.ru/catalog/patrony/
          7,62x39 - 10.60 rubles. cartridge
          9x18 - 9.60 rubles.
          .22 LR STANDARD in brass - 11 rubles.
          5,45x39 -9 rubles. https://www.air-gun.ru/patroni/nareznie-patroni/patron-545h39-fmj-385-ocinkovannyy-bpz

          I look from my bell tower: I have a small Magnum Research (clone 10/22 with a composite barrel), I don’t want to feed it with ammunition in a steel case with gunpowder, loose chicken manure. So the price of a shot is from 15 rubles minimum.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 8 February 2021 16: 47
            +1
            Well, you have a gorgeous thing of course :) ... Sobol would suit me. Or TOZ-78.
    3. Tank hard
      Tank hard 8 February 2021 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      And these Lancaster paradoxical perversions would not be needed.

      And what? They say a good thing. There are only some funny moments. I will immediately designate three: the price of the product, the prevalence of the cartridge, and, as a result, the price of the ammunition. And so, quite a thing. request
  7. Undecim
    Undecim 8 February 2021 12: 21
    +7
    Instead of developing and producing a normal hunting weapon, they make all sorts of "shooters", the only advantage of which "is that the appearance of the carbine is completely identical to the Kalashnikov assault rifle."
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 8 February 2021 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      is that the appearance of the carbine is completely identical to the Kalashnikov assault rifle. "


      This is not a hunting weapon, it is for other purposes.
      Once, me and the guys, on a campaign, were received by the security of Gazprom, with similar carbines. When the men jumped from the Urals with copies of the AK, they looked convincing.
    2. loki565
      loki565 8 February 2021 12: 29
      +3
      There are fewer and fewer hunters and more and more of those who need it for self-defense, or for shooting in the shooting range. (shortened barrel) Oriented production to the mass buyer.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 8 February 2021 12: 31
        +2
        and more and more people who need it for self-defense
        And what, there is a rampant crime, the state cannot cope with the protection of citizens, you have to shoot back? And can you give many examples of self-defense with a firearm?
        1. loki565
          loki565 8 February 2021 12: 37
          +2
          No, rather a matter of status))) A beautiful house, a car, a carbine, well, what would be, shoot with friends in the shooting range)))
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 8 February 2021 12: 58
            +6
            No, rather a matter of status))) A beautiful house ...
            Of course, they don't argue about tastes, but as for me, the classic high-profile hunting rifle is a much more status thing and will decorate a house much better than an army machine gun.
            1. loki565
              loki565 8 February 2021 14: 30
              +1
              Well, it's a matter of taste, someone with a double-barreled gun, someone with a "Kalash"
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 8 February 2021 16: 08
              +1
              Of course, there is no dispute about tastes, but as for me, the classic hunting rifle of high analysis is a much more status thing and will decorate the house much better
              eh, timeless classic hi (for Kalashoid fans, unfortunately not to understand ...)!
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 8 February 2021 17: 33
              +2
              Hi Vic hi I agree, that's why I don't buy Kalashovskaya pribluda, but someone likes it.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 8 February 2021 17: 47
                +5
                It’s not a matter of "like it or not," but the degradation of the weapons school and the production of classic hunting weapons.
                But there were times when TsKIB products were not ashamed to donate to the British prime minister.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 8 February 2021 17: 53
                  +2
                  But there's nothing you can do about it, squeezing money out of the public is the simplest way. The West also suffers from this.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 8 February 2021 17: 56
                    +1
                    In the West, they suffer, but the classics there flourish and improve.
                    Happened to be in the local arms stores. I didn't want to leave.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 8 February 2021 18: 16
                      +3
                      This is why we do not make piece barrels, they can hardly compete with imported ones. And those who have money are Western ones and prefer. Kalashov crafts to the delight of the mass public, are inexpensive, but still a brand.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 8 February 2021 18: 33
                        +3
                        Single-piece is a separate topic. Gross weapons for the average consumer are also at a high level there. Here, having such traditions, it is even embarrassing to be afraid of competition, especially with China and Turkey.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 February 2021 19: 07
                        +2
                        With regard to traditions, everything is correct, while we ran with a spear, Europe was making a firearm.
                        Now, whatever you write to both of us will be given a minus by some obviously not indifferent client. Is his orientation like this, with a blue tint? laughing drinks
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 8 February 2021 19: 51
                        +4
                        Is his orientation like this, with a blue tint?
                        Previously, they wrote in the protocols - "on the basis of personal hostility."
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 February 2021 19: 53
                        +3
                        No, Vic, everything is clear with you - the best commentator and generally a knowledgeable person, but for the company, or something, or, bastard, just doesn't like cats? request
                      5. Undecim
                        Undecim 8 February 2021 21: 02
                        +4
                        Here everything is according to Daniel Zatochnik: "They scream mad people, they don't sow, but they themselves give birth."
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 9 February 2021 00: 26
    -1
    If there is crime (and it is),
    then the force against it is needed.
    US statistics say that
    state crime with permission
    personal protection is lower than where personal protection
    is prohibited.
    An analogy is seat belts in a car.
    They (belts) were used
    and before the law on compulsory
    application.

    Talking to the bully "wait, guys,
    call the police "- does not work.
    So I am for the purchase of protective equipment.
  • Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 8 February 2021 13: 31
    +3
    Instead of a normal light hunting rifle for popular calibers, they do all sorts of nonsense, for the sake of show-offs like "I have a Kalash in my safe."
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 8 February 2021 13: 49
    +5
    Isn't it time for Kalashnikov to swing at our William, you understand Shakespeare? - it's time. They are not tired of the next variations on the topic of how to stamp on the civilian market, the monotony of the form is already beginning to get bored.
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 9 February 2021 00: 18
      -1
      Didn't read it first.
      But analogies with Lapis Trubetskoy
      and his "Gavrila served as a postman" in "12 chairs"
      Ilya Ilf and Petrov (where without him) - there.
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 9 February 2021 00: 15
    -1
    We are waiting for new breakthrough schemes from the company.

    Stop traveling on heritage
    grandfather Kalashnikov. You can create an R&D department,
    there will definitely be young and ambitious guys
    who will create something new,
    jumping immediately after 75 years.
    Enough already "but the new machine - with a left-hand thread."