"One step or two ahead": Russia offered a way to defend against a NATO attack

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"One step or two ahead": Russia offered a way to defend against a NATO attack

A variant of the combat use of the Russian Aerospace Forces, which guarantees protection against a potential NATO attack, was proposed by Russian military scientists. The article was published in the "VKS. Theory and Practice" edition.

Vladilen Stuchinsky, Doctor of Military Sciences, and Mikhail Korolkov, Candidate of Military Sciences, propose a way to disrupt the so-called concept of multi-sphere combat operations, developed jointly by the United States and NATO. This concept implies a simultaneous strike by the forces of the alliance in all directions at once, i.e. on land, air, sea, space and cyberspace.



NATO plans to simultaneously attack the enemy with hypersonic, operational-tactical and cruise missiles, as well as to use Drones and manned Aviation

- scientists emphasize.

To disrupt such operations, scientists propose a "counter or preemptive strike", which will be inflicted by all forces and means of the Aerospace Forces in order to inflict as much damage as possible on the enemy at the initial stage of aggression.

(...) at the initial stage of the "multi-sphere operation", a coordinated use of aviation with unmanned aerial vehicles, missile weapons for various purposes, electronic warfare means, weapons based on new physical principles within the framework of the reconnaissance and strike system of the grouping of troops (forces)

- says the study.

As an example, the authors cite the strike by the Dagger hypersonic missiles.

According to the authors, in the event of a local war threat, Russia should be able to move from a policy of nuclear deterrence to delivering a preemptive strike to the enemy with all types of weapons ("one step or two ahead").

Failure of the integrated NATO strike from the very beginning will lead to the failure to achieve the goals of the "multi-sphere operation", and the leadership of the military bloc will with a guarantee refuse to carry it out.

- the authors are sure.
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  1. +30
    8 February 2021 08: 24
    According to the authors, in the event of a local war threat, Russia should be able to move from a policy of nuclear deterrence to delivering a preemptive strike to the enemy with all types of weapons ("one step or two ahead").

    "If a fight cannot be avoided, hit first"
    1. +14
      8 February 2021 08: 36
      Quote: Lipchanin
      hit first "

      "Hit first, Freddie"!
      And the main thing is to concentrate and not miss the strike time!
      1. +7
        8 February 2021 08: 40
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And the main thing is to concentrate and not miss the strike time!

        Yes, the war cannot just start out of the blue.
        It is necessary to prepare for it. It is impossible to hide the preparation with the current means and capabilities of intelligence
        "Hit first, Freddie"!

        And the movie good
        1. +16
          8 February 2021 08: 49
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Yes, the war cannot just start out of the blue.
          It is necessary to prepare for it. It is impossible to hide the preparation with the current means and capabilities of intelligence

          And then, when it becomes absolutely clear that a blow to Russia is inevitable, it SHOULD be the first to strike. The right decision!

          Russia is right GIVEN June 1941nd, XNUMX and August 1, 1914

          They shouldn't be repeated never!
          1. +5
            8 February 2021 08: 52
            Quote: Olgovich
            They should never be repeated!

            Yes, we will not step on a rake.
            It is about the very existence of Russia and the Russian people
            1. +2
              8 February 2021 09: 07
              http://академия-ввс.рф/images/docs/vks/16-2020/29-36.pdf

              - primary source
            2. -14
              8 February 2021 22: 58
              read the comments - in shock. you or sick or I do not understand your humor together with those academics. one and a half thousand loaves of 5 megatons each - States China Pakistan Hindus, Jews, Arabs, all allies will begin to shoot - there will be no state borders left. rodents will survive cockroaches in Australia and the 16-storey basement in Gelinzhik will not save - the living will envy the dead. gratuitous strikes this race who will be more enticing. Sergei strongly recommend that you re-read Tarmashev "To Each His Own" military science fiction, such a sobering picture. probably this is part of evolution - first destroy yourself and then the survivors will begin to rebuild a civilization with one language by the government by regulating the food of the population
        2. +5
          8 February 2021 10: 57
          Pushkin also proposed the Golden Cockerel intelligence system, although very expensive.
      2. +4
        8 February 2021 09: 02
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        "Hit first, Freddie"!
        Hit first, Fedya! It's better this way.
        1. -2
          8 February 2021 11: 07
          Quote: sniperino
          Hit first, Fedya

          "Drink first, Fedya"!
          There is also such an option!
      3. +3
        8 February 2021 09: 05
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Lipchanin
        hit first "

        "Hit first, Freddie"!
        And the main thing is to concentrate and not miss the strike time!

        And time plays a decisive role .. it is necessary to carry out training on packing the suitcases of the children of officials, so that, while the dagger is flying, the children have time to leave the territory of the enemy ..
        1. +6
          8 February 2021 10: 01
          Who has children there are enemies from the very beginning. They will pack their suitcases and leave here. If released.
        2. +4
          8 February 2021 11: 10
          Quote: Svarog
          training in packing suitcases for children of officials,

          laughing laughing laughing However, all the same, in the footsteps of a dump truck, "the enemy of the enemies of the communists." fellow wassat
          1. -9
            8 February 2021 14: 50
            Quote: Paranoid50
            Quote: Svarog
            training in packing suitcases for children of officials,

            laughing laughing laughing However, all the same, in the footsteps of a dump truck, "the enemy of the enemies of the communists." fellow wassat

            Enemies of the communists in Chelsea and Upper East Side are cowardly training in booking business class tickets on Skyscanner and fast delivery of luggage to LaGuardia and Heathrow for an early arrival in the vicinity of the Mausoleum of the Leader of the World Proletariat and the fastest transfer from Sheremetyevo to Moscow Region. In the personal VIP-bunkers of the enemies of the Communists, comfortable retinues built for the friends of the Communists who were boldly communists from the Central Committee of the CPSU await. For the proletariat, the communist people's servants, whose thoughts are pure, prepared bomb shelters with three-tiered bunks and one toilet bowl for 70 communist builders. For, comrades, you are indulging when the forces of imperialism are burning the dachas and special clinics of communists from the administrative apparatus of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union! am
      4. +1
        9 February 2021 21: 09
        Maybe first we will return the people's power in the country so that there is no one to miss?
    2. +2
      8 February 2021 09: 04
      Correctly struck first blow. hi
      1. 0
        8 February 2021 09: 46
        Quote: 210ox
        Correctly struck first blow.

        Who doubts? So the author of the article replicated the ideas of scientists:
        According to the authors, with the threat of a local war Russia must be able to move away from nuclear deterrence to deliver a preemptive strike to the enemy all types of weapons ("one step - two ahead").

        I didn't think that this kind of publication would cause a completely unpredictable "déja vu":

        request
    3. 0
      8 February 2021 12: 04
      Peter I also instructed:
      And there is no need to wait for the first blow, since it may turn out to be such that you will completely forget to resist ...
      1. -1
        8 February 2021 13: 17
        You can "blur" anything, the paper will endure ... but will our masters have enough political will? I'm not sure, too much personal is tied to the "west" with them.
        1. 0
          8 February 2021 14: 24
          An old song ... You do not notice either Syria or Crimea ... Why?
          I already wrote once that even in China there is a discussion about whether they got involved in a confrontation with the States early. Was it not necessary to save up more strength in stealth.
          God himself ordered us to accumulate strength. Let the States destroy themselves from within.
          We have absolutely no use for portraying the enemy for their consolidation so far.
          But the time will come, and even during our lifetime.
  2. +3
    8 February 2021 08: 30
    I absolutely agree that a "counter or preemptive strike" should be terrible for an adversary, and not only in a gamerope, but also behind a puddle.
    1. +1
      8 February 2021 08: 41
      Quote: Ros 56
      but also behind a puddle.

      There in the first place.
      Geyrop for a snack.
      While they wake up, they will crawl out of the beds ...
    2. +4
      8 February 2021 08: 45
      move from a policy of nuclear deterrence to a preemptive strike on the enemy ...

      Obviously, the change in doctrine is long overdue, but it will not be done: sanctions, a gas pipe of an energy superpower, accusations of aggression ...
      1. 0
        8 February 2021 08: 49
        Quote: dorz
        sanctions, energy superpower gas pipe, accusation of aggression

        When you are about to be attacked, it will not matter at all
        1. -4
          8 February 2021 09: 30
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: dorz
          sanctions, energy superpower gas pipe, accusation of aggression

          When you are about to be attacked, it will not matter at all

          NATO soldiers are working on the capture of Kaliningrad in the last exercises. What else is there to wait? Do this IMMEDIATELY!
          1. +3
            8 February 2021 09: 40
            Quote: dorz
            Do this IMMEDIATELY!

            Is it right now to raise the Aerospace Forces and shoot Iskanders? belay
            1. +4
              8 February 2021 11: 47
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: dorz
              Do this IMMEDIATELY!
              Is it right now to raise the Aerospace Forces and shoot Iskanders? belay
              Once dorz ordered, this is not up for debate. For now, raise the VKS, and I will run to shoot the Iskander.
          2. -1
            8 February 2021 13: 06
            Quote: dorz
            Do this IMMEDIATELY!

            The problem is that after our first strike, we will be declared aggressors and all NATO will have the right to start a war against us for the purpose of protection.
            1. 0
              8 February 2021 13: 54
              According to the authors, with the threat of a local war Russia must be able to move from a policy of nuclear deterrence to a preemptive strike on the enemy ...

              I mean, not practice, but military doctrine / concept: to reduce the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons, because military exercises a few dozen kilometers from the borders of a nuclear power are nonsense.
            2. Alf
              +8
              8 February 2021 18: 19
              Quote: figvam
              all NATO will have the right to start a war against us for the purpose of protection.

              And where did you get the idea that all NATO will rise? Clause 5 of the NATO Charter can be interpreted very broadly ..
            3. 0
              9 February 2021 18: 39
              Yes, if they survive.
      2. +4
        8 February 2021 09: 00
        After such a blow, your sanctions, your trumpet, and all the accusations will not interest anyone, there will be only one question, live or die, everything else is rubbish.
    3. +2
      8 February 2021 08: 53
      Quote: Ros 56
      and not only in gayrope, but also behind a puddle.

      Behind the puddle and beyond the "strait" in the first place! To do this, you need to clearly understand the locations
      the main beneficiaries of the war and their critical assets. And these are not rare from any Oklahoma. This is a brigade of financiers-speculators like the Rothschilds, called by the common people the "deep state".
      1. 0
        9 February 2021 08: 40
        Do not worry, for which persons responsible have already been appointed across the strait, the English Channel will be expanded. lol
        1. +1
          9 February 2021 16: 19
          Quote: Ros 56
          The English Channel will be expanded.

          Before Ireland ...
    4. 0
      9 February 2021 00: 13
      Quote: Ros 56
      "counter or preemptive strike"

      In the theory of the Strategic Missile Forces, a new concept appeared: "deep retaliatory strike". This, as I understand it, is a fire effect on the entire territory of the enemy, not only on primary targets. At the same time, the minimum damage will be at least 60% of the industry and 50% of the population of the aggressor country. For ams, the damage of 20 million people and 30% of the industry is considered unacceptable ...
      I think the partners have something to think about ... Evil tongues say that ...
      After that (when the infa was leaked to the press) Baydown decided to sign an extension of START-3 ...
  3. -24
    8 February 2021 08: 32
    How are the authors going to argue the "current Rubicon"?
    How then to justify to the descendants - so, they say, we had no other choice ...
    On the guard, if you used a weapon (and even more so with a fatal outcome) there are a lot of proceedings and if you violated the charter, then you can easily end up under a tribunal. Even if you are openly provoked near the post.
    And after reading the article, I realized that the authors in a similar situation are giving grounds for the application "for the future."
    At least that's what I understood from the text.
    Perhaps a more expanded version will appear in a couple of days.
    1. +5
      8 February 2021 08: 34
      How then to justify to the descendants - so, they say, we had no other choice ...

      Don't make excuses.
      Have you noticed? Everything goes to the fact that the military doctrine is changing in essence)))
    2. +1
      8 February 2021 08: 37
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How then to justify to the descendants - so, they say, we had no other choice ...

      Our descendants will be proud of us for having defended Russia
      On guard, if you used a weapon (and even more so with a fatal outcome), there is a lot of proceedings

      Well, who are we going to deal with?
      Before whom to justify?
      1. -18
        8 February 2021 08: 46
        You know, during my service there was an incident with us on guard - a madwoman ran away from a neighboring village on the full moon. Usually quiet on the full moon, she "walked" if not locked. So she got to one of the posts. There, our guy later told me that he almost got off! Well, imagine - at night something white approaches the post from the green zone! (she was in a nightie). She stumbled upon a "thorn", screamed, stepped aside, again ...
        Here's an attack on the post? Can be interpreted in different ways.
        The guy showed restraint. Then he received encouragement for this, and then the family also brought a "basket" in gratitude.
        Suppose the sentry would use a weapon. Maybe the prosecutor's office would have acquitted, but the civilian population is unlikely.
        1. +2
          8 February 2021 08: 54
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          You know, during my service there was an incident with us on guard - a madwoman ran away from a neighboring village on the full moon. Usually quiet on the full moon, she "walked" if not locked

          We are talking about the existence of Russia as a state !!!
          And you mean some post with pants
        2. +2
          8 February 2021 09: 18
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          at night something white approaches the post from the green zone! (she was in a nightie)
          This?
          1. 0
            8 February 2021 09: 42
            Quote: sniperino
            This?

            Nah, that's dressed lol
            1. +2
              8 February 2021 09: 47
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Nah, that's dressed
              Receivist, serial violator of access control; how many guards she was at night. And during the day she is always dressed smile
              1. 0
                8 February 2021 09: 53
                Quote: sniperino
                And during the day she is always dressed

                Is it so cool encryption? wink
                1. 0
                  8 February 2021 10: 01
                  Perhaps Nazariy ibn Chingachguk saw her, coming up with an "argument"
                  1. +1
                    8 February 2021 10: 09
                    Well, wow "argument"
        3. +7
          8 February 2021 10: 04
          Heh .. we had a better case in training ... - the civilian worker in the stoker was late, and in the dark decided to sneak home through the post .. well, the boy sentry with his nose in the snow and put it .. called the chief ... vacation went .. This is after serving for 3 months !!! We envied him in a black way ..))) And with hope peered into the darkness of the night at the posts .. - suddenly someone else decides to take a walk around the territory ..)))
          1. Alf
            +8
            8 February 2021 18: 27
            Quote: Dikson
            And with hope they peered into the darkness of the night at the posts .. - suddenly someone else decides to take a walk around the territory ..)))

            It was necessary to call someone from the local unobtrusively so after the lights out, like, come and have some vodka ...
        4. Alf
          +9
          8 February 2021 18: 25
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          but the civilian population is unlikely.

          The American would have rolled out a counterclaim - Why not strapped? And since they did not fix it, prepare the loot. And no moral torment ... For this, the sentry was given a weapon and the right to use it. Where is the guarantee that it is not some Chechen who has put on a woman's shirt and is not trying to attack the sentry?
        5. 0
          9 February 2021 18: 49
          In Omerik, a Negro was killed. How is he, George Floyd ...? In short, "why should they feel sorry for their bastard" (c) Sasha, nicknamed for cruelty Vasilich
          PS And archaeologists will have to look for the prosecutor
      2. Alf
        +8
        8 February 2021 18: 21
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Well, who are we going to deal with?
        Before whom to justify?

        Before the global community ... and before the general people. Hello comrade!
    3. +7
      8 February 2021 08: 52
      There is no heap of proceedings. Inquiry and decision. Guard duty is the fulfillment of a combat mission. Servicemen on guard duty are not responsible for moral, physical or property damage caused by them to the offender in connection with the use of weapons or physical force in the cases provided for by this Charter. Moreover. The sentry MUST use weapons in the event of an attack and should not warn)
      1. -8
        8 February 2021 09: 14
        Now you have already written nonsense. Because in UGKS there is a point when a warning shot is fired, that is, there are conditions when it is not immediately possible to kill.
        1. +3
          8 February 2021 09: 36
          That's why I wrote, in the event of an ATTACK), threats to a guard or an object. a warning shot in case of disobedience basically. When the requirements are not met. It's just that there are very few situations when random passers-by may appear at the protected object))) for this, an inquiry is carried out. But it's fast.
          A sentry is obliged to use a weapon without warning in the event of a clear attack on him or on an object he is guarded, as well as in the event of an immediate threat of attack (physical impact), when a delay in the use of weapons creates an immediate danger to human life or may entail other grave consequences
          1. -2
            8 February 2021 09: 47
            Quote: carstorm 11
            That's why I wrote - in case of ATTACK)

            Apparently, a colleague thinks that you need to wait for the attack, then fire a shot in the air, but then open return fire. request
            I worked, for a long time already, with one person. He served almost immediately after the war on the border
            Then all sorts of trash like Bandera across the border of the pearl.
            So before the intercession to protect the border, the head of the outpost warned: "I will find out who made the warning shot, I'll hit my face myself. Shoot immediately and to kill?"
    4. +6
      8 February 2021 08: 52
      Let's justify ourselves. The main thing is that they are alive and our descendants are free. If you sniff and scratch turnips, they say, as if something happened, then there will be no one to justify to.
    5. +7
      8 February 2021 09: 05
      Before whom to justify? Before the descendants? If you do not survive, then there will be no descendants, so 0: 0. And you will prevail and survive, the descendants of thanks will say that you won, and they were born. You start to cry early.
    6. +9
      8 February 2021 09: 17
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How to make excuses in front of the descendants

      Rock carvings ...
    7. 0
      8 February 2021 10: 50
      Do not take it to heart. An article to raise morale and patriotism. Even some doctors, professors and academicians of military sciences have invented.
  4. +3
    8 February 2021 08: 32
    with the threat of a local war, Russia should be able to switch from a policy of nuclear deterrence to delivering a preemptive strike to the enemy with all types of weapons

    Unacceptable damage is desirable, not just a hit.
    1. Alf
      +9
      8 February 2021 18: 29
      Quote: lucul
      Unacceptable damage desirable

      This is when the ball will crack in half?
  5. +6
    8 February 2021 08: 34
    I understand that we are playing on defense, first let the adversary step on his pet peeve, then we will be offended ... but damn it ...
    To disrupt such operations, scientists propose a "counter or preemptive strike"

    Brilliant ... no one has guessed this before, only our scientists strategists from the Aerospace Forces.
    I can come up with a couple of concepts of preventive strikes, let them take me half the time ... Huh?
    1. +10
      8 February 2021 08: 44
      then I can think of a couple of concepts of preventive strikes, let them take me half the rate ... Huh?


      There is generally a long line of strategists feel
      1. +4
        8 February 2021 09: 11
        There is generally a long line of strategists

        I'm with my couch, I'm out of line
    2. +3
      8 February 2021 08: 55
      So a taxi without taxi drivers, kitchens without cooks will remain if all the "strategists" go half-time to the Armed Forces. hi
  6. +3
    8 February 2021 08: 35
    So they would have written ... if sho, turn off the GAS!
    And then the red button, the red button.
    1. +4
      8 February 2021 09: 36
      Well, not only gas but also light sounds like a subtext.
      Greetings hi
      1. +2
        8 February 2021 09: 42
        Welcome soldier
        So the military doctrine of the state does not allow any discrepancies, BUT, we have a fear that someone's personal / selfish interests may interfere!
        I really don't want to think about that, but, for some reason, in any way.
        1. +3
          8 February 2021 09: 47
          I was also surprised that military scientists said what everyone has known for a long time.
          1. +1
            8 February 2021 09: 51
            So, repetition is the mother of learning ... but, as an option, they may also have certain fears about politics and politicians ... in short, there are doubts, people want to dispel them completely, as they can.
            1. +2
              8 February 2021 10: 01
              Military science should not get involved in politics, it should work out all the options with a sober head ...
              1. +2
                8 February 2021 10: 03
                Unfortunately, you can't explain it to politicians, they won't understand that they shouldn't go much where ... they go EVERYWHERE!
                1. +3
                  8 February 2021 10: 06
                  Politicians, yes, those boundaries and lines do not feel, it is very difficult with them ...
                  1. +1
                    8 February 2021 10: 14
                    It's just hard, you can still survive ... it's worse when, after their intervention, a catastrophe rolls over !!! and many have to make a titanic effort to prevent it.
                    1. +1
                      8 February 2021 10: 21
                      Unfortunately, there are no recipes here, this is the reality ...
        2. Alf
          +10
          8 February 2021 18: 31
          Quote: rocket757
          BUT, we have a fear that someone's personal / selfish interests may interfere!

          Saratov, Saratov or Voronezh ...
          1. 0
            8 February 2021 18: 44
            The good cities of Saratov and Voronezh ... what did you want to say?
            1. Alf
              +9
              8 February 2021 18: 48
              Quote: rocket757
              The good cities of Saratov and Voronezh ... what did you want to say?

              I just reminded some of the anecdote that "we will have to bomb Voronezh" or Saratov in different versions.
  7. +6
    8 February 2021 08: 47
    I immediately remembered ...
    1. -3
      8 February 2021 10: 08
      Do you think we are banging? Do you think the whole world is in dust?
      You can have one ma-a-a-a-a-little question: “But, everything that has been taken out, bought, built, - also in dust, together with relatives, their business (rewritten on them business), attached children and offshore stash? "
      We have prepared for a long time:

      lol
  8. +2
    8 February 2021 08: 50
    Well, it must be .. what, however, is a brilliant and fresh idea ....))) Unlike the NATO concept of multi-sphere combat operations, which implies a simultaneous strike by the alliance forces in all directions at once, i.e. on the ground, in the air, sea, space and cyberspace, provided with an adequate number of satellites, AWACS aircraft, AUG, strategic aviation and submarines, military bases around the world ..- we will answer how? Do we have a properly debugged real-time communication system? Do we have such interaction and control capabilities in general? While the situation resembles an English anecdote: "Sir, we are surrounded! The enemy is from all sides! - Great, gentlemen! So we can attack in any direction!" ...)))
  9. +3
    8 February 2021 08: 50
    I read the mentioned article in the "VKS. Theory and Practice" edition. Maybe for specialists it makes some sense. For a person from the outside - an overflow from empty to empty on six pages. I quote the Conclusions section:
    When implementing the disruption of an integrated massive enemy air strike at the initial stage of a "multi-sphere operation", it is necessary to coordinate the use of aviation with unmanned aerial vehicles, missile weapons for various purposes, electronic warfare equipment, weapons based on new physical principles within the framework of the GrV (s) reconnaissance and strike system being created in the theater of operations in order to fulfill a wide range of tasks

    The authors did not find an answer or did not give an answer to the question of when to make a decision on "unacceptable complex defeat by all types of weapons within the framework of preventive actions in conditions of the threat of local war hanging over the Russian Federation".
    Of the interesting - the temporary construction of the IVMU. Pay attention to the timing:
  10. +2
    8 February 2021 08: 54
    We also need to make a good joke on the ocean for the bunker islands. Everything civilized will be destroyed or in chaos, but I can try to hide somewhere and wait out young reptilians ...
  11. -5
    8 February 2021 09: 00
    Men, military men, generals and ensign, think about it. When she just appeared in Ukraine, and she lived there after the Second World War, she multiplied accordingly and whoever lifted a finger, yes, yes, only us, and these are the states and Britain, to which the traitors of the Russian land always fled (sorry for the old terminology) , and so now, alone in about din, I'm not afraid, I have to go and I will kill the Nazis at the root, you will not spend on drink, I will be as smart as a Kalash. And most importantly, why Putin does not want to unleash a war, he wants to show himself in history, I think it does not matter Donetsk or Luhansk oblasts, it was necessary to soak them for a long time, and not wait for the advice of specialists, by the way, to the offices, I’m the same - remember - you do not work for the state, but for how the people live.
    1. -6
      8 February 2021 09: 13
      It's just that Putin, Vladimir, Vladimirovich - they were expecting from you, and you pissed, and now how, you disgraced yourself in many ways, but I respect you, anything can happen. The whole military was waiting for the fucking, who are you anyway? The Nazis walk around, despite the convention --- yes, they went to ... they are all corrupt, it looks like you are Putin, otherwise you cannot name your actions
      1. +1
        8 February 2021 09: 27
        I read your comments a little. So clumsy to compose phrases, even if you try very hard, it will not work. There are a lot of errors. Do you have aphasia?
        1. -3
          8 February 2021 10: 03
          No, just with a hangover, just what I have, not with me, 60 minutes, not with Solovyov, I'm just analyzing what was and is, and now remember, I will lie down for Russia, the last cartridge, I am using the enemy, I know how and what, and you major can survive, what are you writing, not knowing me, but fuck you all. You have become not interesting for a long time, so the plot, the opinions of newcomers, the truth is, to say the technique, it's great and really normal here. But you can't get rid of the nits - change everything, general.
  12. +5
    8 February 2021 09: 10
    All this is good, the main thing is how to recognize the moment of a preemptive strike and not miss it? Here is the launch of a CD from a bomber in the Black Sea - is it a moment or not yet? Is it the same in the Baltic? And 3 NATO destroyers near Crimea - is this a moment? Or wait for the fourth? OK, this is the moment - to destroy only these destroyers or to grab all the nearest NATO bases? And if you hit with all your might, where exactly? We don't have enough weapons to beat in all directions.
    In my opinion, there are more questions than answers.
    1. +1
      8 February 2021 09: 54
      You have a plus for questions, but me, for such questions, a minus ..))
    2. +1
      8 February 2021 10: 17
      Quote: Wedmak
      how to recognize the moment of a preemptive strike and not miss it?

      And don't ask! I do not know! Maybe Putin will recognize? As he says: I think so! Then it will begin!


      Quote: Wedmak
      In all directions to beat, we stupidly do not have enough weapons

      So I wonder how we can do it? Will put all NATO against Russia 1000 planes, and Russia as zhahnet 100 planes! .... And why, we can do without nuclear weapons ???
      All in all, you're right ... more questions than answers!
      PS Maybe this is a cunning move of the "Kremlin"? If theirs are in awesome bewilderment, then what is being done to NATO? fool It is because of this bewilderment that NATO will be afraid to attack Russia! request
    3. 0
      8 February 2021 10: 22
      This is a good question, but the answer does not give room for discrepancy: A SHOCK ON THE DECISION-MAKING CENTERS.
      The reconnaissance is working well, the locations have long been marked on the military maps: I suppose, up to the battalion ones.
      Strengthening the movement of heavy armored vehicles on trailers will significantly help us in this (Europeans are very sensitive to the appearance of armored vehicles on public roads).
      And on our seas, enemies are visiting ... (oh!) Ducks ALWAYS go only with naval, air and radio convoys
  13. +3
    8 February 2021 09: 24
    This is probably not the last scientific thought (since the scientific novelty here is 0), but an allegorical warning - "if something happens ... ... - right away, sit straight ...". Looks like it got very hot, it's not for nothing that this opus was immediately published everywhere
    1. +3
      8 February 2021 09: 30
      This is not the last thought, but the General Staff hopefully keeps an eye on the situation and has plans for a certain number of developments. And then somehow ... even from the couch you can see that NATO and the United States have gone wild.
  14. +4
    8 February 2021 09: 35
    According to the authors, in the event of a local war threat, Russia should be able to move from a policy of nuclear deterrence to delivering a preemptive strike to the enemy with all types of weapons ("one step or two ahead").


    Everything is correct, only one thing is how to weed out provocations ...
    1. +3
      8 February 2021 09: 46
      Level provocations ... "ah, I dropped the bomb, what a shame" cannot remain unanswered! Yes, and any Rust, you must shoot down as soon as possible!
      1. +3
        8 February 2021 09: 49
        I meant a preemptive strike, how to determine when it's time ...
        1. +1
          8 February 2021 09: 54
          At the expense of the preventive, everything is complicated ... BUT, if the appropriate "prevention" is carried out, Schaub dispel the doubts of any greyhounds ... preventive may not be required!
          They must be sure that if sho, they will fly away to tar-tarars immediately, without options.
          1. +2
            8 February 2021 10: 03
            There is a fine line here, but firmness and determination must be demonstrated ...
            1. 0
              8 February 2021 10: 06
              Quote: cniza
              There is a fine line here, but firmness and determination must be demonstrated ...

              Yes, yes, and also reinforce it with REAL POWER!
              1. +1
                8 February 2021 10: 09
                It goes without saying, theory alone cannot hold back and cool hot heads ...
    2. -2
      8 February 2021 09: 56
      Quote: cniza
      Everything is correct, only one thing is how to weed out provocations ...

      No way. We have already said that any missile launch in the direction of Russia will be regarded as an attack.
  15. +8
    8 February 2021 09: 39
    Ahahhahaha, that is, there is no local war yet, and the Russian Federation is proposed to move from nuclear deterrence to a strike with all possible forces. That is, it is proposed to become an aggressor and unleash a world war. Hitler is just resting.
    Well, the West does not read this nonsense for internal use, there is simply no better reason for presenting Russia as a stupid, but extremely aggressive barbaric country. Here's a reason for NATO expansion, and not propaganda, but real.
    In fact, of course, a preemptive strike by the Russian Federation on the West, that is, on homes, money and children of the "elite" of the Russian Federation, is also impossible, just like a flight to Alpha Centauri, this is just an extremely relevant reason on the current agenda for "cheering" the rapidly dying out local natives (citizens RF).
    Let them dream of nuclear strikes on Brussels while working for 15-20 thousand.
    1. +3
      8 February 2021 09: 58
      "Where are you, Odysseus, from your wife, from your children ???" - there was such a funny song in the early 80s ... You shouldn't be so nervous .. - this article, like "military scientific research and statements", is just a response to the same nonsense recently published by NATO about the Kaliningrad blitzkrieg ..
      1. +5
        8 February 2021 10: 12
        Quote: Dikson
        You shouldn't be so nervous .. - This article, like "military scientific research and statements", is just a response to the same nonsense recently published by NATO about the Kaliningrad blitzkrieg.

        1) I am calm as a boa constrictor, but if the authors of such articles and all those who sing along with them, say, a Donbass resident who has been shot for 7 years in a shooting range by a terrible in its power Maidan Ukraine could have gotten an insult by action. The "patriots" who talk about preventive strikes against NATO by all means would have had to run away without pants.
        2) This is not "NATO", but an online magazine. The usual chatter on the Internet, and although the article does speak of aggressive intentions, it did not mention a preemptive strike by all forces on the Russian Federation with the threat of a local war.
    2. -5
      8 February 2021 09: 59
      Quote: Odyssey
      In fact, of course, a preemptive strike by the Russian Federation on the West, that is, on homes, money and children of the "elite" of the Russian Federation, is also impossible, just like a flight to Alpha Centauri, this is just an extremely relevant reason on the current agenda for "cheering" the rapidly dying out local natives (citizens RF).
      Let them dream of nuclear strikes on Brussels while working for 15-20 thousand.

      And what about the Party's gold? Has the Swiss banks sunk into oblivion, stolen away by the Anglo-Saxons, inherited by the anti-popular regime, is it blasphemy in general?
      1. +4
        8 February 2021 10: 14
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        And what about the Party's gold? Has the Swiss banks sunk into oblivion, stolen away by the Anglo-Saxons, inherited by the anti-popular regime, is it blasphemy in general?

        Everything is stolen by the Jewish masons, definitely! laughing
      2. +1
        8 February 2021 11: 18
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        And what about the Party's gold? Has the Swiss banks sunk into oblivion, stolen away by the Anglo-Saxons, inherited by the anti-popular regime, is it blasphemy in general?

        Request a copy of the report from the Kroll agency.
        1. -2
          8 February 2021 17: 42
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Request a copy of the report from the Kroll agency.

          That is a lie, right? Girls don’t poop, and communists don’t take capital abroad?
          1. +1
            8 February 2021 18: 09
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            That is a lie, right? Girls don’t poop, and communists don’t take capital abroad?

            What a lie? Gaidar spent millions of dollars looking for the party's gold. The agency was looking for Kroll, the report was drawn up, provided, and no one else saw it. Lost like that gold.
            1. -4
              8 February 2021 18: 11
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              What a lie? Gaidar spent millions of dollars looking for the party's gold. The agency was looking for Kroll, the report was drawn up, provided, and no one else saw it. Lost like that gold.

              Reminds of the history of the BBC's search for billions of Putin. They also did not find anything, but this does not stop anyone until now.
              1. +1
                8 February 2021 18: 44
                Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Reminds of the history of the BBC's search for billions of Putin.

                In the early 90s, the entire press rattled about this. Can we read the writings of Yegorushka himself?
                In late December 1991, two high-ranking Soviet intelligence officials wrote to President Yeltsin on these issues. They suggested that the Kroll firm, a large international organization known for its successes in solving similar problems, be involved in the search for Soviet foreign exchange reserves. Perhaps the most significant of these was the identification of the secret accounts of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. The President instructed me to meet with the authors of the letter, to determine the position. I knew one of them personally, he once worked at the institute as D. Gvishiani's deputy, led a closed topic. After talking with the scouts, I came to the conviction: there are not too many chances of success, but not trying is a sin.

                He instructed me to arrange a meeting with the company's management. We met in February 1992 in Madrid during my visit to Spain. We agreed that the company will start a search and we will conclude a short-term three-month contract, pay 900 thousand dollars in order to determine whether there are serious hopes of gaining control over the financial resources exported from the country.
                1. -1
                  8 February 2021 19: 16
                  Have there been any other search attempts?
                  Otherwise, your
                  Gaidar spent millions of dollars looking for the party's gold.

                  does not fit well with
                  we will conclude a short-term three-month contract, we will pay 900 thousand.

                  However, I remember the film "A Glass of Water", with Lavrov, Demidova, Dmitriev and Belokhvostikova. Remember this one?
                  - "The Duke of Marlborough received from the treasury for uniforms thirty thousand soldiers, but only eight thousand were uniform. The rest of the money Marlborough put in his pocket."
                  But this is slander. I myself approved the report. The outfit was not eight thousand, as you write, but eight thousand six hundred twenty-seven.
                  - I just rounded.
                  - But it could be rounded in the other direction.

                  The denouncer of the regime must be accurate. Otherwise, it is no different from this very regime.
                  1. 0
                    8 February 2021 19: 41
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    does not fit well with
                    we will conclude a short-term three-month contract, we will pay 900 thousand.

                    You chopped off.
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    pay 900 thousand dollars in order to determine

                    Determined, Kroll requested another half a million, as far as I remember. Although there are opinions that one and a half million is the total amount.
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    The denouncer of the regime must be accurate.

                    And hurray patriots can write whatever comes into their heads?
                    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    And what about the Party's gold? Has the Swiss banks sunk into oblivion, stolen away by the Anglo-Saxons, inherited by the anti-popular regime, is it blasphemy in general?

                    It's buried in your garden.
                    1. -2
                      8 February 2021 19: 43
                      Okay, colleague. I propose a combat draw! Do you mind?
                      1. 0
                        8 February 2021 19: 46
                        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Do you mind

                        Do not mind.
                      2. +1
                        8 February 2021 19: 49
                        Best wishes to you!
                        What does not kill us makes us stronger.
                    2. +4
                      8 February 2021 21: 44
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      It's buried in your garden.

                      This is the most accurate answer. It is unclear why you began, in general, to seriously discuss this. The "gold of the party" was later perestroika propaganda for the most narrow-minded inhabitants. It a priori could not exist. In the Soviet system, the party was inextricably linked with the state. It was not a separate economic entity. In 1990-91, after the removal from power, there were attempts to allocate at least some assets to them, but then it was no longer possible even to purchase any gold.
                      All this "investigation", as well as the story about "gold" the original scam.
                      1. -1
                        9 February 2021 06: 52
                        Quote: Odyssey
                        All this "investigation", as well as the story about "gold" the original scam.

                        But then the conventional Kissinger quote, which hyperpatriots shove wherever they go, is it true and not at all a scam?
  16. +1
    8 February 2021 10: 02
    Well, other nonsense. We will not stand against NATO in a conventional war, moreover, to think that our leadership will agree to a preemptive strike is generally an anecdote. The guys are raving. Everything is as it was - an atomic response using all our strength, the main goals are two - the United States and Great Britain. Next in importance are Australia and Bhutan. And then - in all NATO countries, where there are American bases and troops. Since this scenario is likely, we have not yet been rolled into a pancake. Everything else is stupid chatter on the verge of betrayal. If NATO had taken this nonsense seriously, we would have been attacked this morning.
  17. -1
    8 February 2021 10: 16
    It is high time to act like Israel. From the territory of the DPR, zhahn on Kravchuk's plane in Borispol, like Jews on Iranian planes at the airport in Damascus and pretend. 'and who did it? '. He will immediately begin to appreciate the world, otherwise it is good to sit in Kiev and talk about mirror responses and fantasize about parades in Sevastopol.
  18. 0
    8 February 2021 10: 29
    absolutely agree, the doctrine should be revised to pre-emptive strike
  19. 0
    8 February 2021 10: 31
    In general, the position is correct, but, in my opinion, the reflection of the beginning aggression at the initial stage should be carried out by using electromagnetic bombs of high destructive power, including those located on orbital trajectories in the standby mode.
  20. +2
    8 February 2021 10: 54
    With little blood and in foreign territory.
    There was already such a concept.
    It is easier to bury an automatic "dead hand-2" in the core of the planet, which will easily split this ball in half in case of an emergency.
    For "preventive" concepts of wars and strikes, one must first train for half a century in preventive strikes against strangers in weaker categories. For example, expel without talking any diplomats noticed in attempts to interfere in the internal affairs of the country. Foreign journals for lying to their publications. Elimination of freedom fighters, sorry for my French, bandits and terrorists outside the country (not forgetting the "internal terrorists" as the State Department correctly points out at home), otherwise they like to eat in different kinds of London. And you do. To train the spirit and show determination for difficult and cruel decisions, which include a preemptive strike by all means on the preparing enemy, and then not make excuses for their "why are we for sho?", But honestly, proudly tell "for sho". But even the USSR did not particularly express this. Everyone disguised themselves as Li Xi Qing or made pitiful excuses for Boeing spy and stuff.
  21. 0
    8 February 2021 11: 09
    It seems to me that the article is tied to the general tendency of our leadership to show "teeth" to amiable "partners" in connection with the already prohibitive pressure on Russia. In a word, another way to snap back, but how seriously will it be taken "there" - the question?
  22. BAI
    +3
    8 February 2021 11: 21
    NATO is developing a plan on how to capture Kaliningrad "to ensure the security of Poland and the Tribalts," and we need to develop a plan on how to destroy Poland and the Tribalts in order to ensure the security of Kaliningrad.
    And publish it too.
  23. Cat
    0
    8 February 2021 12: 01
    "One step or two ahead"

    Those. starlight before NATO is going to draw up a plan? So about Kaliningrad already seems to have been, what are we waiting for? belay
    The theory of a preventive strike is probably as old as the cudgel of the first man. And then Russian military scientists suddenly woke up ...
  24. 0
    8 February 2021 13: 01
    It's a pretty bad idea to play some kind of preventive action, given the dubious state of our foreign intelligence forces, the poor state of our satellite constellation, and the incomparably larger volume of NATO forces. We run the risk of getting caught "for divorce" when we are "presented" with some kind of minute tactical benefits for casus beli and further complete card blanche of the West.

    However, I will note that the collective West does not seem to be interested in attacking us.
  25. +2
    8 February 2021 15: 13
    As the greatest humanist academician Sakharov suggested there? Several thermonuclear mines in the Atlantic Rift?
    And both shores of the Atlantic together say "Bulk!" Just out of Atlantic solidarity ...
    And the Poles and Romanians with the Bulgarians (and what's the difference?) Amicably say that they are leaving NATO and asking to be taken into the Warsaw Pact organization.
  26. 0
    8 February 2021 15: 18
    Quote: Dikson
    Well, it must be .. what, however, is a brilliant and fresh idea ....))) Unlike the NATO concept of multi-sphere combat operations, which implies a simultaneous strike by the alliance forces in all directions at once, i.e. on the ground, in the air, sea, space and cyberspace, provided with an adequate number of satellites, AWACS aircraft, AUG, strategic aviation and submarines, military bases around the world ..- we will answer how? Do we have a properly debugged real-time communication system? Do we have such interaction and control capabilities in general? While the situation resembles an English anecdote: "Sir, we are surrounded! The enemy is from all sides! - Great, gentlemen! So we can attack in any direction!" ...)))

    That's right, so Katz offers to surrender. Yes
  27. +2
    8 February 2021 20: 58
    Very often, the one who defends is in a less advantageous situation. Whoever attacks - he dictates the conditions. The defender follows. But this is not always the case. King Frederick always said - you must always act first, act swiftly and be perfectly prepared. He often did it. But it didn't work with Russia. We were feasting in Berlin.
  28. 0
    9 February 2021 08: 41
    A preemptive strike is certainly good, but it will not save you from a massive NATO airstrike. Our air defense and aerospace forces simply will not stand this, count how many planes in the coalition, and not all are in service, but our fleet is not 100% on the move ...
    Here is some video on the potential of the world's armies:





  29. 0
    9 February 2021 23: 16
    USA dose does not have hipersonic wapons. That is a huge advantage for Russia.