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The West is no longer funny. Sputnik V was recognized as a scientific breakthrough

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International recognition


News The publication of the results of the third phase of tests of the Sputnik V vaccine in the authoritative international journal The Lancet appeared just a few days before February 8 - the Day of Russian Science. It is quite a worthy gift and an excellent reason to dispel the doubts of skeptics who always doubt the Russian scientific potential.

Of course, Covid dissidents are unlikely to be impressed by this fact, but for an overly engaged liberal public, Western recognition will be very useful. However, like for other citizens, Russian high-tech is not often praised in world arenas. But first things first.

From the very beginning of clinical trials of the Sputnik V vaccine, there was a lack of clear information about the effectiveness of the drug. I had to take the word of the specialists of the lead developer of the vaccine of the FSBI “National Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology named after V.I. Honorary Academician N.F. Gamalei ", as well as the President of Russia, who announced" Sputnik V "the world's first drug of this kind.

In a number of countries, these statements caused at least irony. But on February 2, the British medical scientific publication The Lancet, one of the oldest and most authoritative in the world (founded in 1826), published an 11-page article on the effectiveness of the vaccine.

The lead author of the article entitled "Safety and efficacy of the heterologous primary vaccine COVID-19 based on the vectors rAd26 and rAd5: an interim analysis of a phase 3 randomized controlled trial in Russia" is Denis Logunov, Doctor of Biological Sciences, Deputy Director for Research at the Gamaleya Center.

It should be noted that it is not so easy to publish an article in The Lancet - it requires a special review by leading scientists in the field of research and a carefully calibrated experiment. Judging by the fact that the work of Logunov and several other co-authors was accepted for publication in The Lancet, the design of a study on the effectiveness of the Gam-COVID-Vac vaccine (or "Sputnik V" in Russian) is all right.

Subtleties of the method


The most important thing that can be learned from Denis Logunov's complex multi-page report is that the vaccine has been proven to be highly effective. On average, 91,6% of those vaccinated developed the required dose of antibodies to coronavirus infection in the body.

Много это или мало?

On the one hand, almost every tenth person vaccinated will be unprotected. On the other hand, Sputnik V is more effective than foreign vaccines from AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson.

This conclusion was voiced by MD, director of the Center for Vaccines and Immunotherapy of the Wistar Institute Hildegund Ertl. With regard to severe forms of COVID-19, which can lead to death, the Gamalea Center vaccine generally demonstrates 100% effectiveness. That is, after the vaccine, a person may get sick with coronavirus, but he will not die.

Certainly very encouraging statistics.


On February 2, a long-awaited article was published in the authoritative international publication The Lancet, which summarizes the results of the third phase of trials of the Russian vaccine. Source: thelancet.com

A little about the details of the international report of the vaccine development group.

The article provides data that make it possible to recommend Sputnik V to people over 60 years old - the effectiveness of vaccination for this age does not practically change.

In addition, the vaccine is very well tolerated by humans - in the course of the study, only 45 vaccinated out of 16 427 indicated side effects that, as it turned out, were not associated with Sputnik V. During the trials, four deaths were recorded - three in the vaccinated group and one in the placebo group.

A small digression regarding the use of placebo in similar studies.

In order for serious scientists to believe in the effectiveness of a drug or vaccine, doctors have to inject a dummy or placebo under the guise of a real vaccine. When evaluating the effectiveness of the vaccine, all comparisons are made with the group that received the "blank" injection.

This is the only way to achieve reliability and exclusion of random factors. It is important, however, that the injecting nurses themselves do not know who is receiving the real vaccine and who is receiving the placebo. In order to exclude, so to speak, information leakage. Often, doctors who distribute vaccines to medical facilities do not even know about this.


At the moment, about 2 million Russians have been vaccinated. To achieve population immunity, it is required to develop immunity in 60–70% of the population. Photo: vk.com/komzdravspb

Now let's deal with the fatalities after the Sputnik V vaccine.

As it turned out, two subjects died due to cardiovascular and endocrinological diseases, aggravated by the course of COVID-19, or simply from the coronavirus.

That is, the vaccinated died from COVID-19? The epic failure of Sputnik V? This news would be worthy of the hottest news agency headlines, but Denis Logunov explains everything simply in the article.

Most likely, the two unfortunates contracted the SARS-CoV-2 virus a few days before vaccination or even on the day of vaccination. But the latent course of the disease did not allow an unambiguous test for covid.

Now comes the fun part.

At the first sign of infection, two people began to take, as the article says, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs without the knowledge of doctors. And this seriously complicated the further diagnosis of COVID-19. Well, concomitant chronic diseases have contributed.

It is not clear only how the doctors examined the volunteers, that they could not determine dangerous chronic diseases in two people.

As a result, two people died from the coronavirus after being vaccinated with Sputnik V. Two more died from causes unrelated to the vaccine and coronavirus.

In total, from September 7 to November 24, 2020, 21 adults took part in the trials, of whom 977 people received the real vaccine, and 16 people received placebo. As the authors note, the vast majority of the volunteers were white, and there were no pregnant women among them. women and children under 501.

This means that new trials await the domestic vaccine in the future.

The West is no longer funny


Compared to its competitors, Sputnik V looks very decent. And this is perhaps the main reason for national pride.

For example, the highly publicized British-Swedish vaccine from AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford collectively yields only 70,4% effectiveness.

Given the cost of developing a vaccine, such a result can hardly be called a success. However, it is now the world's most purchased anti-clot vaccine - contracts for 3,29 billion doses were confirmed at the end of January.

The demand for any more or less effective remedy for COVID-19 is so high that everything is swept off the shelves.

At the same time, the authors of the vaccination from Oxford can guarantee the effectiveness only in seven out of ten people - with Sputnik V, we recall, the effect will be in nine out of ten. But the "Oxford vaccine" or, as scientists call it, ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (AZD1222) has one indisputable plus - the price.

The Russian Sputnik V will cost $ 10 for a two-component dose, and the British-Swedish counterpart, also consisting of two injections, only $ 4.


"Oxford vaccine" is noticeably inferior in efficiency to the Russian one from the Gamaleya Center. Source: ru.wikipedia.org

The world has now formed a "golden three" of vaccines, with a proven efficacy of more than 90%.

First of all, this is the BNT162b2 vaccine, developed by Pfizer / BioNTech, which guarantees the formation of immunity in 95%. This development, unique in many respects, requires more careful consideration in a separate article. With such a high efficiency, the Pfizer vaccine is very expensive - it is expected that it will cost four to five times more than the Russian one.

American mRNA-1273 from Moderna, with a proven efficacy of 94,5%, was the second anti-graft in the Golden Three. It is similar in cost to the Pfizer vaccine.

And, finally, the third in the list is the domestic "Sputnik V", which, by the way, is also the most budgetary.

The breakdown by markets is roughly the following - the USA and Canada are served mainly by Moderna, and the European Union - by Pfizer.

Russia, with Gam-Covid-Vak, also actively entered foreign markets, which, of course, are not so solvent, but very capacious - the countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America.

In the very near future, several dozen countries will approve the use of the Russian vaccine. This means that the new Russian export "oil" will be called "Sputnik V".

Historywhen "backward" Russia unexpectedly entered the world's top-ranked COVID-19 vaccine developers, seriously shocked the West. From rhetoric of condemnation and even outright ridicule abroad, they moved to admiration. And even at the level of national leaders. French President Emmanuel Macron has been very positive about the publication in The Lancet. And he did not even rule out the use of "Sputnik V" in the European Union. Incidentally, a very realistic scenario - in the event of a shortage of native Western vaccines, the Europeans will have to consider alternative options.

The foreign press also praised the results of the Russian vaccination tests.

Die Welt almost apologized for the previous criticism. And she noted the justification of such an early registration of the vaccine.

Bloomberg has named the Sputnik V development the largest scientific breakthrough in Russia since the Soviet Union and dubbed the development Moscow's new “soft power” on the international stage.

But the most flattering review of the vaccine came from Russia all the same - the deputy director for scientific work of the Central Research Institute of Epidemiology of Rospotrebnadzor, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Gorelov suggested nominating the developers of "Sputnik V" for the Nobel Prize.

And these, perhaps, will be the most worthy candidates in recent decades.
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  1. military_cat
    military_cat 9 February 2021 05: 09
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    The reputation of our vaccine was severely damaged by the fact that they tried to use it for political PR, this always immediately arouses suspicion, and for this very reason such a high percentage of people in Russia who, when asked whether they are ready to be vaccinated, answer "no" or "rather no" (much more than half). And so - a good vaccine, and the liberals argued literally in the forefront, and that you should not confuse those who make it with those who arrange ugly fuss around it. And they were vaccinated as soon as they got such an opportunity.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 February 2021 05: 15
      +22
      If Putin had not said about her, I assure you today about her everyone would be silent. They now recognize it only because it is heard and the people of the countries need to say something.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 9 February 2021 05: 34
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        I see no reason to think so.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 9 February 2021 06: 20
          +24
          Well, do you know a lot about Chinese vaccines?) And now everyone knows about the satellite) this is an advertisement and is very good)
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 9 February 2021 06: 27
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            You know about him and therefore think that everyone knows about him. In the West, vaccines are no longer a curiosity, there is Modern and Pfizer, and contrary to what we are told, they are no worse, the third phase of testing passed earlier. When Pfizer announced the creation of a vaccine, and the markets jumped by 10% - then they were heard, and now it is routine, information for doctors.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 9 February 2021 06: 37
              +16
              I do not think. I see the number of publications on the satellite topic and for example on the topic of Chinese vaccines. It differs by orders of magnitude) all media, starting with the top and ending with bloggers at least once, but they write about it. Politicians speak out regularly. Negative or positive doesn't matter. After the presentation, they themselves created her name by denigrating her every other day. Antipiar is all the same PR))) achieving brand recognition as in a textbook) I do not deny that there is politics in this too. Just do not start all this first person of the state such an effect would not have happened) there is no person in the world who does not know him)
              1. Civil
                Civil 9 February 2021 07: 02
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                1. Regardless of the state of Russian science, I am sure the Gam-COVID-Vac (Sputnik-V) vaccine developed at the NF Gamaleya Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology is quite working.
                2. Yes, I'm also going to be vaccinated myself.
                3. Why is this so? Thinking people can use the Internet and find both the reasons for its appearance and why it was made so quickly.
                4. The Chumakov Center is about to finish testing the classic coronavirus vaccine.
                5. I remind you that the coronavirus is one of the many coronaviruses that a person suffers from and there is nothing new in it, except for the caused consequences.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 9 February 2021 16: 36
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                  In certificates of death from covids, he, as a rule, is not mentioned at all, only the complications that entailed it. How was the test tested for the existence of contraindications, and the SARS-CoV-2 disease already present at the time of vaccination is one that did not reveal them? It is well known that PCR under certain conditions can give an error of up to 50%. Both false positives and false negatives. It is because of this that the German Koch Institute (the very same) convenes an international tribunal over the WHO - the World Health Organization - almost literally, for the promotion of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) as an objective method for diagnosing coronavirus, which is not true. I don't know if buzziness or greed did not allow volunteers to be quarantined for a week and then tested for immunoglobulins - the only guaranteed way to detect covid disease. This is about the "highest efficiency" and "low price" of the domestic "Sputnik-V". By the way, about the cost - I do not see in the front ranks of the crowds of "friends of a friend", other rich people, media persons and officials. The patriotism of the wrong system, or the manufacturer fears that "if something happens" the PRICE for those who have passed away may turn out to be unaffordable for him, and the generally accepted in the Ministry of Defense and Health in such cases, the imposition of full responsibility on the vaccinated, such as, for example, on the operated patient (read carefully papers that are given for signature), will it not work? Again, in such a short time, full-fledged vaccination complexes are not created - there is not enough time for an expanded test program and identifying a full list of contraindications, restrictions and side effects. In the end, one should not forget that The Lancet itself does not conduct research, but refers to data from third-party organizations, including the developers / manufacturers themselves, who are mostly commercial. The magazine, like its owner, the publishing house Elsevier, receives up to 80% of the subscription revenue, due to the refusal of which due to the high cost of several of its largest clients - American universities - the company is experiencing some financial difficulties. 20% of income is advertising, including well-paid articles. The British Advertising Code does not in any way oblige the publisher to inform the reader of this or mark such publications in any way. So do not rush to throw up your caps.
                2. matross
                  matross 9 February 2021 19: 03
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                  Quote: Civil
                  Yes, I'm also going to be vaccinated myself.

                  I did the second part of the vaccine yesterday. After the first, two weeks ago, there was a slight malaise on the second day, the temperature did not rise. After the second, there are no sensations at all.
                  The service strongly recommends getting vaccinated, but without threats.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 12 February 2021 18: 50
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                    No matter how they slowed down, no matter how they spat on the Sputnik V vaccine, they still had to admit it. Perhaps the best and safest. But the sales markets have already been redistributed and the tidbits have already been captured!
              2. military_cat
                military_cat 9 February 2021 07: 57
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                I see the number of publications on the satellite topic and for example on the topic of Chinese vaccines. It differs by orders of magnitude) all media, starting with the top and ending with bloggers at least once, but they write about it.

                Chinese vaccines were promoted no worse, Comrade Xi was also involved in this: https://silkroadnews.org/ru/okno-shelkovogo-puti/si-tszinpin-razrabotannye-kitaem-vaktsiny-ot-koronavirusa-budut-predostavleny-vsemu -miru-dlya-dlya-b.html
                But they proved to be so-so effective: https://www.interfax.ru/world/744902

                This is just a vivid example of the fact that they will look at efficiency, not PR.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 9 February 2021 11: 35
                  +13
                  Quote: military_cat
                  This is just a vivid example of the fact that they will look at efficiency, not PR.

                  I also have no doubts about the greatness of Russian science.
                  A group of Russian scientists: Royak, Rodendorf, Rappoport and Zuckerman, under the leadership of Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Gunzburg, created the Sputnik V vaccine against coronavirus. Israel has declared that they have not the slightest reason not to trust these Russians. They are confident that the vaccine will be effective and safe.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 9 February 2021 14: 27
                    +7
                    I also have no doubts about the greatness of Russian science.
                    A group of Russian scientists: Royak, Rodendorf, Rappoport and Zuckerman, under the leadership of Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Gunzburg, created the Sputnik V vaccine against coronavirus. Israel has declared that they have not the slightest reason not to trust these Russians. They are confident that the vaccine will be effective and safe.

                    Yes ? Why aren't they in Israel? Or are they not “clean” enough for Israel?
                    And where is the COVID-19 vaccine developed in Israel? No? Why ? Lacking a scientific base? But this is how they glorified medicine in Israel, and there it turns out just doctors - there are simply no medical scientists.
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 9 February 2021 14: 59
                      +7
                      Quote: lucul
                      Why aren't they in Israel?

                      Who would invent a vaccine for you then? lol
                      Quote: lucul
                      And where is the COVID-19 vaccine developed in Israel? No? Why ? Lacking a scientific base? But this is how they glorified medicine in Israel, and there it turns out just doctors - there are simply no medical scientists.

                      We decided not to cross the path of the poor countries of the Third World. "
                      Israel is rich. He can afford the expensive Pfizer vaccine.
                      Our vaccine is ready and is being tested. It will be more versatile and will be able to withstand new mutations of the virus. It's just that we don't have enough people and there aren't enough of them for everything. You need to spread rot on your Palestinian brothers, shoot Iranian fosterlings in Syria, make drones for the whole world, protect tanks, take care of your own citizens ...
                      We do not have time for everything at once, but we still need to manage the whole World, tsunamis and earthquakes, drink tap water, etc. You know that the Jews bought everything up or, in extreme cases, sold it. We are already working in three shifts, but we do not have time for everything, sorry. hi
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 15: 48
                        +5
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        We do not have time for everything at once, but we still need to manage the whole World, tsunamis and earthquakes, drink tap water, etc. You know that the Jews bought everything up or, in extreme cases, sold it. We are already working in three shifts, but we do not have time for everything, sorry.

                        Come on, be shy. Of course, cases with a world conspiracy are not a twist, but one man was found for such a case. Albert Bourla, Pfizer CEO. Received money from Jewish friends and made a good kosher vaccine for his own.
                      2. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 9 February 2021 15: 55
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                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        made a good kosher vaccine for his own.

                        As it turned out, all vaccines known to date are both kosher and halal and cannot be scorched by them. However, influential Iranian theologian Abbas Tabrizian stated that the COVID-19 vaccine causes homosexuality. wassat
                      3. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 16: 03
                        +5
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        all vaccines known today are both kosher and halal and cannot be scorched by them.

                        This is claimed by Jewish propaganda to send more gentiles to hell. Most vaccines contain egg white, which means at least not lean ones. For halal and koshrut I will not say, I do not know.
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        COVID-19 vaccination causes homosexuality.

                        Homosexuality causes almost anything. It doesn’t stand up for a woman without prayer and fasting, but for a man where you read something or see or eat - right away at attention.

                        At least, this is the case with theologians and legislators, as far as I follow their statements.
                      4. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 9 February 2021 19: 15
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                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Most vaccines contain egg white, which means at least not lean ones.

                        Technology for the production of vaccines containing alive or weakened viruses obtained in the culture of chicken embryos (pathogens of measles and mumps) and culture of human diploid cells (causative agent of rubella) ensure the absence of egg white or its presence in trace amounts (1 ml of vaccine may contain trillions of a gram). I do not know on what basis modern vaccines against coronavirus are prepared. However, he has already written a letter to the priest in the Jerusalem diocese. Let him think. Moreover, the Great Lent will begin on March 15. hi
                        For some reason, I remembered an old anecdote.
                        - Alo, is this the supply department of the Russian Orthodox Church?
                        -- Yes.
                        - Father Lifshits, please.
                      5. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 19: 17
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                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        I do not know on what basis modern vaccines against coronavirus are prepared.

                        When inoculated with a companion, the questionnaire contains a question about protein allergy. I will not say about the pfizer, I do not know.
                      6. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 9 February 2021 19: 25
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                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        When inoculated with a companion, the questionnaire contains a question about protein allergy. I will not say about the pfizer, I do not know.

                        We have no questionnaires. All information is online in a computer network. They just ask if there are any acute reactions, allergies, etc.

                        According to the Israeli Ministry of Health, as of February 9, 3 people received the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine (about 540 in the last day), the second dose - 942 people (about 59 in the last day). This is exclusively about the Pfizer vaccine.


                        For all the time, several cases of anaphylactic reactions were identified, which were stopped on the spot. They do not even know for sure whether this reaction was to a protein. Until then, everything worked out. The deaths were not related to allergies, that's for sure.
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 9 February 2021 16: 27
              -2
              We are already working in three shifts, but we do not have time for everything, sorry.
              So that's why my elevator is clean laughing
            3. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 9 February 2021 18: 42
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              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              So that's why my elevator is clean

              No, the elevators are for Biden. But don't worry. He will now take care of the little thing at home, and then he will take over your elevators. I found out. hi
            4. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 9 February 2021 18: 45
              +2
              He mixed up all the addresses, and yesterday, in the next doorway, he screwed up the elevator twice. Already a bit old wassat
            5. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 9 February 2021 18: 49
              +2
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              He mixed up all the addresses, and yesterday, in the next doorway, he screwed up the elevator twice. Already a bit old wassat

              He promised to start with ceremonial in St. Petersburg, and in your entrances, he hasn't appeared yet. Apparently, it was his local volunteers who decided to help the old man. A young change is growing! hi
            6. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 9 February 2021 19: 00
              +3
              A young change is growing!
              Inept trainees. Crushed by the CIA sad
  2. astepanov
    astepanov 9 February 2021 17: 43
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    Quote: lucul
    Yes ? Why aren't they in Israel? Or are they not “clean” enough for Israel?

    I don’t know for whom they are "not pure", but from your hints it carries fascism a mile away.
  3. Tank hard
    Tank hard 10 February 2021 19: 02
    +2
    Quote: lucul
    But this is how they glorified medicine in Israel , and there are just doctors - there are simply no medical scientists

    The advertisement is engine of the trade! And they say about Israeli medicine that it is not very bad, but they do not embody any fantasy there. repeat
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    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 9 February 2021 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: El Chuvachino
      Does Israel have its own vaccine?

      Why, when there are people everywhere. hi
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 17 February 2021 14: 29
        -1
        Maybe then, that first you should do your own, and then show off someone else's and ineffective vaccine?
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 16: 08
      +5
      Quote: El Chuvachino
      does Israel have its own vaccine?

      Not. Israel has the first place in the world (directly with the UAE) in terms of the percentage of vaccinated. Pfizer vaccine (USA / Germany).
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 17 February 2021 14: 28
        -1
        Well, that means the first place in terms of the percentage of side effects and infections among the vaccinated. What are you happy about?
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 9 February 2021 21: 59
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    Quote: A. Privalov
    A group of Russian scientists: Royak, Rodendorf, Rappoport and Zuckerman, under the leadership of Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Gunzburg, created the Sputnik V vaccine against coronavirus. Israel has declared that they have not the slightest reason not to trust these Russians. They are confident that the vaccine will be effective and safe.

    And we are all Russians! Shtenbergs and Ivanchuks, Ivanovs and Makhmudovs, Bilyaletdinovs and Kims, Feigshins and Sklyarenko, Sautkins and Yolkins ... By and large, what a difference your nationality ... All who love Russia, Russians!
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 February 2021 12: 32
      +6
      Quote: 30 vis
      Quote: A. Privalov
      A group of Russian scientists: Royak, Rodendorf, Rappoport and Zuckerman, under the leadership of Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences Gunzburg, created the Sputnik V vaccine against coronavirus. Israel has declared that they have not the slightest reason not to trust these Russians. They are confident that the vaccine will be effective and safe.

      And we are all Russians! Shtenbergs and Ivanchuks, Ivanovs and Makhmudovs, Bilyaletdinovs and Kims, Feigshins and Sklyarenko, Sautkins and Yolkins ... By and large, what a difference your nationality ... All who love Russia, Russians!

      Minusators are former citizens of Russia -USSR ... Calm down guys! You are not Russian for a long time .. So emigrants. And there are no Jews, and here are not Russians.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 9 February 2021 10: 30
    -1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I see the number of publications on the satellite topic and for example on the topic of Chinese vaccines. It differs by orders of magnitude) all media, starting with the top and ending with bloggers at least once, but they write about it. Politicians speak regularly.

    And Xi, according to your Putin, is no good. "Moscow. September 22. INTERFAX.RU - World leaders should not try to politicize the fight against the COVID-19 coronavirus, said Chinese President Xi Jinping at the UN on Tuesday." I did not find his statements on Chinese vaccines on the Internet. And how do you plan a huge amount of RDIF. "Moscow. July 14. INTERFAX.RU - Head of the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF) Kirill Dmitriev announced that by the end of 2020 it is possible to produce 200 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine developed by the Gamaleya Institute." After that, how can you believe: "Kirill Dmitriev. According to him, Russia is the only country in the world that can provide all citizens with a vaccine until summer." Vaccination rates per day today as a percentage of the population: Russia 0.054% Germany 0134%, USA 0,44%. Don't tell gop.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 February 2021 10: 32
      +1
      Where did I say that?) I'm just talking about facts without any ulterior motive. Do not look for a black cat) that it seems that vaccination from us, then anyone can get it. There would be a desire.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 February 2021 20: 14
      +1
      Quote: WIKI
      Vaccination rates per day today as a percentage of the population: Russia 0.054% Germany 0134%, USA 0,44%. Don't say gop

      Link please! I did not find data on the rate of vaccination in Russia.
      1. WIKI
        WIKI 9 February 2021 23: 57
        0
        Calculate the percentages for yourself. https://gogov.ru/covid-v-stats/world
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 00: 43
          +1
          Quote: WIKI
          Calculate the percentages for yourself. https://gogov.ru/covid-v-stats/world

          Is the data unofficial for Russia? In the same place, it is directly stated ... And the data on Russia are from the media and something else ... And on the basis of this bullshit, far-reaching conclusions are immediately made?
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 10 February 2021 09: 25
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            What are our official data, I gave you RDIF's plans for the production of a vaccine as an example. You can also add.
            11th August. “This morning, for the first time in the world, a vaccine against a new coronavirus infection has been registered,” the president said. "September 9. / TASS /. The third phase of clinical trials of a vaccine against the new coronavirus" Sputnik V "will start in Russia on September 9, the Minister of Health of the Russian Federation Mikhail Murashko said on Wednesday. "The first in the world" is registered only because the law allows the third phase of drug trials only after registration.
            "NEW YORK, July 28. / TASS /. The Food and Drug Administration of the US Department of Health has given permission to begin the third phase of clinical trials of a vaccine against coronavirus," And which vaccine is actually the world's first obvious fact. Here is the official data.
          2. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 09: 37
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            Quote: WIKI
            What are our official data, I gave you RDIF's plans for the production of a vaccine as an example. You can also add

            Everything is clear with you. Truth-bearer. And what are you trying to prove? In short, is the vaccine bad? Wrong?
            We were the first to announce its creation! And the whole world admitted that we were right ... But the ladle of the substance must be thrown onto the fan ...
          3. WIKI
            WIKI 10 February 2021 09: 50
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            We were the first to announce its creation!

            And in fact? I am not commenting on the quality of the preparation, but on the statistics.
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 10 February 2021 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Is the data unofficial for Russia?

        For some reason, you did not pay attention to receiving data from the headquarters, which are the official structure. https: //stopcoronavirus.rf/what-is-done/hq/
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 09: 52
        -1
        Quote: WIKI
        For some reason, you did not pay attention to receiving data from the headquarters, which are the official structure. https: //stopcoronavirus.rf/what-is-done/hq/

        And there is no ... There are no statistics. Oops ...
      4. WIKI
        WIKI 10 February 2021 11: 02
        +1
        I had to go all the way. For example, in my region (Saratov) under the Ministry of Health (8-845-2-67-06-32) there is a headquarters that collects information, and he provides it to the Ministry of Printing. So for today 39400 people have been vaccinated. , twice a day done 5940 people. Oops ....
      5. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 10 February 2021 12: 31
        0
        Quote: WIKI
        39400 people were vaccinated. , twice a day done 5940 people. Oops

        So what? How many infections are there in Saratov, and how many in Moscow? It is not surprising that vaccinations are carried out from Moscow and St. Petersburg. We are waiting for official statistics and are not gushing ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 9 February 2021 07: 50
    +7
    Quote: military_cat
    When Pfizer announced the creation of a vaccine, and the markets jumped by 10% - then they were heard, and now it is routine, information for doctors.

    And in Norway 23 people died from the vaunted Pfizer, in Estonia three, how many in Europe I do not know, but they die there too. In Estonia, a third of doctors refuse to be vaccinated with Pfizer. You can tell pro-American nonsense on Ukrainian sites. With respect.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 9 February 2021 08: 02
      -5
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And in Norway, 23 people died from the vaunted Pfizer

      Yes, among people over 80 with chronic diseases. Once the joke about the fact that 100% of the dead ate cucumbers was a joke, but now it is, in all seriousness, a propaganda tool.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 February 2021 08: 33
        +4
        Quote: military_cat
        Yes, among people over 80 with chronic diseases.

        Again American nonsense, not only people over 80 died. How many of you are there on the site of the State Department adherents.
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          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 February 2021 13: 55
            +3
            Quote: military_cat
            More at RBC

            The reputation of this holding, since 1993, of its existence, is very doubtful.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 9 February 2021 15: 28
              -3
              Okay, please give me the source on the basis of which you claim that among these 23 Norwegians "not only those over 80 died".
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 9 February 2021 13: 11
          +10
          Quote: tihonmarine
          How many of you are there on the site of the State Department adherents.
          There are few adepts. For that reptiles ... lol
    2. stalki
      stalki 9 February 2021 15: 02
      +2
      And in Norway 23 people died from the vaunted Pfizer, in Estonia three, how many in Europe I do not know, but they die there too. In Estonia, a third of doctors refuse to be vaccinated with Pfizer. You can tell pro-American nonsense on Ukrainian sites. With respect.
      But I’m interested in the author of the article, the sources of information to find out where he got 95% 94%, everywhere they write about 90% on Western vaccines. And I don’t believe it, given the unhealthy competition and how muddled our vaccine was.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 9 February 2021 20: 09
        -2
        Quote: stalki
        And I don’t believe it, given the unhealthy competition and how muddled our vaccine was.

        I don't believe, there are facts
        At Putin's request, Israel has made a preliminary order for 1,5 million doses and was ready to comply with the request to make a vaccine.
        The Israeli Ministry of Health requested that all documentation for the study be provided to verify compliance for the vaccine administration and production.
        The documentation that was presented did not comply with the standard in Israel, did not comply with the FDA standard and the EMA standard.
        Therefore, the vaccine was not purchased.
        Only recently this documentation was submitted to the EMA and is now undergoing control.
        And if it had not been for the political race, which was started on 28/08/20, and the proper work was done calmly at a professional level and who is the wiser, TODAY would the Sputnik V vaccine was WOULD leading in the world.
        In the meantime, Israel bought Pfizer and has already vaccinated 21% of its population
        1. stalki
          stalki 9 February 2021 20: 25
          +2
          What job? What are you talking about, I'm talking about dirty games, and you are talking about European standards. Even if our people had collected the whole pile of paper, I am more than sure for those who would have found a reason to delay the process. They need to sell their vaccine, it's about the money. And ours did the right thing, that they declared so loudly. Otherwise, from the very beginning, they would have pushed us further away and would have been counted on the sidelines.
          Ps still Israel would not buy a pfizer. Are you laughing? He can't breathe without the striped ones.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 9 February 2021 21: 56
            -3
            Quote: stalki
            What are you talking about, I'm talking about dirty games, and you are talking about European standards. Even if our people had collected the whole pile of paper, I am more than sure for those who would have found a reason to delay the process.

            It is your opinion.
            Based on failed propaganda.
            Why was it necessary to shout in August to the whole world about the vaccine, when, when its trials were completed (perhaps?) Only in January 2021. Even today, the pharmaceutical industry cannot produce it in the required quantity for its needs.
            And in the end, they submitted all the necessary documents to the EMA to obtain permission for its use and production of the vaccine in other countries.
            Well, for general development
            Quietly and calmly in December, the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) announced that it had begun the first phase of vaccine research completely new technology consisting of one dose of vaccination.
            Now the second phase of the study is coming to an end and it is planned to finish the third by the summer. Apply for a permit and produce it without dust and noise.
            1. stalki
              stalki 10 February 2021 09: 24
              0
              Actually, we are already vaccinating. And Israel has just begun testing. So this is "your" opinion. But in reality, everything has already been announced and done without you and Israel. And the pace of production is growing.

              Ps and propaganda is in your head. I don’t waste time sorting out political fuss.
            2. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 10 February 2021 11: 53
              -3
              Quote: stalki
              Actually, we are already vaccinating. And Israel has just begun testing

              Moscow. November 21. INTERFAX.RU - Israel plans to buy 1,5 million doses of the Russian vaccine against coronavirus, said the country's ambassador to Russia, Alexander Ben Zvi.
              "As the management of the Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem has already announced, they have a great interest in purchasing the Russian vaccine. We are talking about the supply of 1,5 million doses of the vaccine after all the necessary tests and procedural issues have been resolved in Israel," Ben Zvi said in an interview with Interfax.
              The Skolkovo branch of the Hadassah Medical Center is also involved in the development, helping the Russian side in clinical trials of the vaccine.
              The vaccine, which is being developed in Israel, is also in the trial stage. It is a little different - vaccination with a Russian drug takes place in two stages, and an Israeli one only needs one injection. If the tests are successful, we plan to produce 15 million doses of the vaccine. It will not only be for the people of Israel, " - Ben Zvi said.

              Last Monday, the Kremlin press service reported that Putin discussed in a telephone conversation with Netanyahu the possible supply of Russian vaccine against coronavirus and the organization of its production in Israel. The Prime Minister of Israel, in turn, said after the conversation that it was about the possibility of purchasing the Sputnik V vaccine.
              "The vaccine, which is being developed in Israel, is also in the trial stage. It is a little different - vaccination with a Russian drug takes place in two stages, and an Israeli one only needs one injection. If the tests are successful, we plan to produce 15 million doses of the vaccine. It will not only be for the people of Israel, "Ben Zvi said.
              Last Monday, the Kremlin press service reported that Putin discussed in a telephone conversation with Netanyahu the possible supply of Russian vaccine against coronavirus and the organization of its production in Israel. The Prime Minister of Israel, in turn, said after the conversation that it was about the possibility of purchasing the Sputnik V vaccine.
              https://www.interfax.ru/world/738116

              In late November, Russian state media reported that Israel intends to purchase 1,5 million doses of Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine from Russia. Nevertheless, the Israeli Ministry of Health has not yet given permission for its use, and now this batch of Russian vaccine can be bought by Arab countries for distribution in the Palestinian Authority.
              https://www.9tv.co.il/item/22065
              Read and analyze and maybe you will understand something.

              Well, you can compare who and what vaccine is inoculated and how.
              Russia on 140 million population 2 million vaccinations
              Israel (the name of the state is written with a CAPITAL letter)
              with the population 9,3 million inoculated 2,3 million a person does not produce two vaccinations himself.
              These are the facts!
            3. stalki
              stalki 10 February 2021 12: 51
              0
              This is for you he is with a capital letter, but for some time now I have one disappointment, I do not feel respect, therefore I don’t get dirty. This is not a mistake, but my laziness. Aren't you funny about the proportions? And about Israel's non-self-reliance (with a capital letter just so that you don't spoil your mood once again, purely for the sake of respect for your opponent), I have already hinted above.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 10 February 2021 19: 19
            0
            Quote: stalki
            Actually, we are already vaccinating. And Israel has just begun testing. So this is "your" opinion. But in reality, everything has already been announced and done without you and Israel. And the pace of production is growing.

            Why are you arguing with him at all? Let them be vaccinated with whatever they want, I don't care. I myself am not vaccinated yet because I have been ill, although we were offered to vaccinate a month ago. I'll have a look by the fall. I'm interested in this one-peptide vaccine "EpiVacCorona" from "Vector".
          3. stalki
            stalki 10 February 2021 20: 17
            -1
            Why are you arguing with him at all? Let them be vaccinated with whatever they want, I don't care. I myself am not vaccinated yet because I have been ill, although we were offered to vaccinate a month ago. I'll have a look by the fall. I am interested in this peptide vaccine "EpiVacCorona" from "Vector".
            I also got sick, I will be vaccinated. But I follow the recommendations, I'm waiting for the beginning of summer. Especially and I do not argue just stated what I see in reality. And then whoever wants to understand where the double standards are, and where the truth is. hi
          4. Tank hard
            Tank hard 10 February 2021 21: 38
            +1
            Quote: stalki
            I also got sick, I will be vaccinated. But I follow the recommendations, I'm waiting for the beginning of summer.

            Health to you and your loved ones. From the heart. hi
          5. stalki
            stalki 11 February 2021 00: 47
            0
            Thank you, all the family also health hi
  • BAI
    BAI 9 February 2021 09: 43
    +1
    There are now about 100 vaccines in the world at some stage of development and readiness.
    1. Kart
      Kart 9 February 2021 16: 45
      -1
      Yes Yes.
      Of these, 95 are in CEEurope.
  • Ptolemy Lag
    Ptolemy Lag 9 February 2021 11: 28
    +5
    Mortality from the Pfizer vaccine is alarming ...
  • NKT
    NKT 9 February 2021 21: 18
    +3
    None of the vaccines passed the third phase of trials. In the best case, it will be this year, or even next year, since the third phase will take at least 9-10 months. Sputnik and Pfizer completed only the first step of the third phase.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 9 February 2021 07: 17
    +9
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Well, do you know a lot about Chinese vaccines?) And now everyone knows about the satellite) this is an advertisement and is very good)

    Dear carstorm 11, when you propagandize well, at least somehow check the sources, this is not a zombie box. You look ridiculous.
    So, on January 10, Seychelles President Wave Ramkalavan was the first to receive the vaccine developed by SinoPharm. Seychelles became the first African country to begin mass vaccination against coronavirus infection, in particular, using a Chinese-made vaccine.
    On January 13, Indonesian President Joko Widodo was vaccinated with the COVID-19 coronavirus drug developed by the Chinese biopharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech. On January 27, he received the second dose of the vaccine.
    On January 14, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was vaccinated against coronavirus using CoronaVac, which was developed by the Chinese company Sinovac Biotech. On January 24, Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic expressed his intention to be vaccinated with the Chinese vaccine against coronavirus.
    On January 17, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen announced that the country has received a donation of 1 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine from China.
    Peruvian President Francisco Sagasti also expressed his intention to receive the Chinese vaccine, without specifying a specific date. On January 28, Chilean President Sebastian Piñera announced his intention to receive the Chinese vaccine in the second week of February. On January 10, Philippine Health Minister Francisco Duque said the country had signed an agreement with Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturer Sinovac Biotech to purchase 25 million doses of the coronavirus vaccine. The first batch will be delivered in February.
    On January 26, Malaysia's Ministry of Health announced that Pharmaniaga Bhd has signed an agreement to wholesale the coronavirus vaccine from Chinese pharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotech.
    On January 29, at a regular press conference of the Hungarian Center for the Prevention and Control of the Coronavirus Epidemic, it was reported that Hungary became the first European country to approve a Chinese vaccine against COVID-19.
    And all this despite the fact that the PRC has its own gigantic market of almost 1,5 billion people, which is their priority.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 9 February 2021 07: 47
      0
      I'm not advocating) but I am stating facts) and I'm talking about mass recognition) from the media I can also find anything you like about Chinese vaccines, and I'm talking about your knowledge without it) everyone knows Adidas tracksuits, but a small part knows Sergio Tacchini suits) I understand explained?) that's the same with the vaccine) you shouldn't get into the conversation without understanding its meaning. brand awareness is a general concept. achieving this is a huge job and very expensive financially. in the case of a satellite, this was achieved simply and practically free of charge. for one simple reason, his presentation was made by a person whom practically every person on the planet knows))) this is the basics. Chinese vaccines 90 percent of people simply do not know. among my friends and in general there are no such people.))) if you are not satisfied with the fact that I, in principle, are not discussing our vaccine itself, but its recognition in the world, then how can I help you?)
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 9 February 2021 08: 08
        -4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Chinese vaccines 90 percent of people simply do not know. there are no such people among my friends and in general the social circle.)))

        If you lived in China, the situation would be exactly the opposite. But about recognition in the world this does not say in either case.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 08: 39
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      And all this despite the fact that the PRC has its own gigantic market of almost 1,5 billion people, which is their priority.

      And plus the whole SE Asia and BV. These countries will not receive the US vaccine. Except for Gayrope, no one will use their vaccine, even Africa is afraid of all state vaccines, they are full of anti-tuberculosis, especially Nigeria, where people still remember the good Yankees.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 9 February 2021 10: 33
    +11
    Quote: carstorm 11
    If Putin had not said about her, I assure you today about her everyone would be silent. They now recognize it only because it is heard and the people of the countries need to say something.

    Quote: military_cat
    I see no reason to think so.

    Here recently one Ukrainian "expert" blurted out on the air that in the word "Ctraveler"the surname" Putin "is encrypted, and therefore pride does not allow her to inject Ukrainians. I do not know what kind of" pride "he was talking about, but to see Putin in all the same-root words is already schizophrenia.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 9 February 2021 10: 21
    +4
    We have something to be proud of.
    And Putin was right in promoting it, because it is not only and not so much "soft power" and political technology, as a struggle for the health of citizens.
    After all, it was not only Putin who spoke about the vaccine from screens and on the Internet, there were numerous doctors, scientists, pharmacists who talked about health, immunity, hygiene and means of fighting infection. I have personally heard more about health in a few months than in the last five years. And many generally knew little about this, now they began to wash their hands more often ...

    Plus, this is an internationally grounded reason not to introduce those insane and ineffective "lockdowns" that shake Europe. I mean that they did not begin to finish off the economy. They removed most of the restrictions at the first opportunity, as they figured out the essence of the disease. Well, to the questions "why do not you completely close everyone" there is a polite answer: we start vaccination!

    Where is the bulk with their fakes and demonstrations, in Europe gas and water cannons disperse the crowd that has gone wild from restrictions. And they are protesting against lockdowns. We did not have such a scenario. For this, thanks to Putin as well.

    Well, plus to everything! The vaccine is really good. Today is the 5th day after vaccination, there were no side effects.
    On the second day, I felt an "immune response" in the form of mild anxiety, similar to the very beginning of a common ARVI, without any other symptoms. Half a day has passed - that's all.
    This is correct, it means there is an effect - the body noticed the vaccination and began to fight. Not a placebo, it works.
    In general, in November I got a flu shot - the reaction of the body is similar.

    I want to say thank you to our doctors and specialists! Heartily.
    Anyone who has acquaintances died of covid understands that this is not a joke.
  • astepanov
    astepanov 9 February 2021 10: 32
    +1
    Well, they made a fuss - and? Where is the vaccine? For a year now, detailed statistics have been issued on the sick, cured and died (another question is whether it is reliable). And not a word about the progress of vaccination. In early January, the medical authorities issued a figure of 1,79 million vaccinated. Then the same bosses reduced the data to half a million, then to a million. It is not clear what vaccinees are in question, whether about those who received both doses, or one. On the site https://gogov.ru they themselves collect information from regional sources and provide daily reports, emphasizing that they do not vouch for the reliability. It turns out that as of today, 1,33 million Russians, or 936% of the population, have received the first dose, and at this rate, half of the population will be vaccinated in 2 days. If so, then vaccination will end later than herd immunity is developed "naturally". In Israel, half of the population was vaccinated 3 weeks ago, and in the USA, England, the Emirates, this will happen in less than XNUMX months.
    In the very near future, several dozen countries will approve the use of the Russian vaccine. This means that the new Russian export "oil" will be called "Sputnik V"
    It's just not clear - where will this vaccine come from? Will production be deployed "there"? This business is not very quick. Will they bring you from Russia? But, judging by the pace of vaccination and the stubborn silence of medical madams about its progress, in this case, the imminent completion of vaccinations in Russia will have to be forgotten. And is it right - to care about the political reputation and income of pharmaceutical companies, neglecting the lives of compatriots?
    Two more remarks: the volume of vaccine supplies abroad is also kept mum. And I got both shots, so never a covid dissident. Without the slightest sign of complications, no temperature, or anything. And I wish you all the same.
    One last thing: I have no doubt that the development of a vaccine is a science-intensive business and requires the highest qualifications. But this was hardly a scientific breakthrough or new fundamental knowledge was obtained. And therefore, none of the vaccines are drawn to the "Nobel Prize". By the way, Zhirinovsky yells louder about the Nobel Prize in our country.
    1. IT-Prof
      IT-Prof 9 February 2021 12: 34
      -1
      Great point. Yes, we have invented as many as 3 vaccines, only vaccination is proceeding neither shaky nor swiftly .. 1.7-2 million are vaccinated in total, and in the same USA 39 million ... and unprofitable statistics - under the carpet ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 9 February 2021 13: 06
        -1
        People themselves are bad at getting vaccinated. There is no problem at all to get it. Laziness apparently
        1. IT-Prof
          IT-Prof 9 February 2021 13: 24
          +3
          Those who do not come from my acquaintances or have already been ill or do not trust (you never know what are the side, etc.). Laziness too, of course ..
      2. Peaceful SEO
        Peaceful SEO 9 February 2021 13: 52
        +2
        Do you offer to drag people to get vaccinated on a rope? You can, of course, stimulate ... A fine of 30 thousand for the lack of vaccination is introduced, then everyone will immediately come running. And so people do not run for the vaccine. Moreover, in Russia, many consider covid to be garbage in vegetable oil. What to do here? Wait only. I, personally, am also waiting, looking at what will happen to the vaccinated. If they do not die en masse, then I will also take root
        1. huntsman650
          huntsman650 10 February 2021 22: 57
          0
          Certificates will be sold cheaper)))
    2. lucul
      lucul 9 February 2021 14: 35
      -5
      It's just not clear - where will this vaccine come from?

      Well, have you already sent links to posts to the curator? Have you got the silver coins?
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 9 February 2021 17: 38
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Well, have you already sent links to posts to the curator? Have you got the silver coins?

        What did you want to say? Whom do you blame? And what exactly? Or are you just trying to start a scandal?
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 9 February 2021 11: 23
    +3
    Plus. After the darkest showed a couple of Sputnik V bubbles on the air, it became clear that this vaccine would not work on a quiet wave. Haters still have diarrhea from the mere fact that "backward Russia with its economy torn to shreds" was the first to create a vaccine. And as you know, negative reactions also work on advertising and product recognition. Enemies once again actively digging a hole into it and fell down.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 9 February 2021 05: 35
    +1
    Vaccines to develop are not for you Chinese sewing trainers
    1. astepanov
      astepanov 9 February 2021 11: 07
      -1
      Quote: Clever man
      Vaccines to develop are not for you Chinese sewing trainers

      Yes Yes. But "China's Tianwen 1 space station has sent the first photograph of Mars to Earth. The rover is expected to land in May 2021." And, for reference: in China, 31 million people are vaccinated, we have less than 2 million. In percentage terms, they also have more than we do.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 9 February 2021 11: 13
        -5
        And these are the questions for our trampoline how he managed to screw everything up
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 9 February 2021 11: 41
          +1
          In addition to the trampoline, many questions have accumulated: in terms of pensions, medicine, education, and the rise in food prices
          and housing and communal services, and unemployment, and income stratification - you can continue the list yourself.
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 9 February 2021 11: 57
            -6
            Well, the Crimea is ours?
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 9 February 2021 15: 56
              +2
              Well, the Crimea is ours?

              Does this fact depress you ???
      2. sifgame
        sifgame 9 February 2021 12: 34
        +3
        We have voluntary vaccination and many simply do not want to be vaccinated for now, according to the principle, "Let's wait and see those who were vaccinated," I know not by hearsay, my sister is working in the field of the first wave of vaccination, 50 percent of the team refused to get vaccinated.
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 9 February 2021 13: 03
          0
          Quote: sifgame
          many simply do not want to be vaccinated

          Yes, many do not want to be vaccinated - and in vain. But at the same time, the recording in some regions is carried out for March or is completely suspended, and this indicates a lack of vaccine. But the authorities are already trumpeting: "The recession of the epidemic is associated with the vaccination that has begun." the course of the epidemic.
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 10 February 2021 19: 23
            0
            Quote: astepanov
            Yes, many do not want to be vaccinated - and in vain.

            And why, if a person has recently suffered covid?
  • Finches
    Finches 9 February 2021 06: 46
    +1
    Undoubtedly, Uncle Vova very timely caught the essence of what he heard from scientists about the prospects of the vaccine they were developing and made a knight's move ahead of everyone on the world stage! And, as grandfather Lenin taught us, politics is a concentrated expression of economics - so the president did everything right, our virologists are great fellows and the guy who got to the point with the name "Sputnik". As the saying goes, all the puzzles came together! Naturally, the Anglo-Saxons turned on their propaganda machine at full power, but there are no fools in the world, except, of course, Ukraine ... laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 08: 40
      -1
      Quote: Finches
      Undoubtedly, Uncle Vova very timely caught the essence of what he heard from scientists about the prospects of the vaccine they were developing and made a knight's move ahead of everyone else on the world stage!

      He has a "chuyka", whatever they say badly about him, but I respect him. Forward "patriots"!
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 9 February 2021 09: 23
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      Naturally, the Anglo-Saxons turned on their propaganda machine at full power, but there are no fools in the world, except, of course, Ukraine ...

      As ordered, the Ukrainian authorities, stretching themselves to a string, are now hesitating and vibrating instead of with the "general line" already under the leadership of Biden, against whom the criminal case for corruption was immediately dropped.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 9 February 2021 08: 27
    +7
    Quote: military_cat
    The reputation of our vaccine was greatly damaged by the fact that they tried to use it for political PR, this always immediately arouses suspicion


    Lies and slander unscrupulous competitors do not harm the reputation,

    And yes: what is the "PR"? In the fact that the vaccine was announced and registered in full compliance with Russian legislation? And everything turned out, yes, reasonable, justified and truthful. AND.... as it was necessary to? belay

    Also, the Ministry of Health previously registered, for example, a vaccine against Ebola and is also ready for use.

    To those who suffer painful suspicion can be injected with Pfizer, yes: there are the Lancet, and WHO, and ELA: a mustache in lace.

    In Romania and Italy, doctors refuse to be vaccinated with it - this is what is heard.

    In Germany, in Baden-Württemberg, on the eve of the New Year, 40 people were vaccinated in a nursing home, 15 of them died (no, no, not from vaccination, of course, just like that ... "coincided" request ).

    Astra-Zeneca Sputnik is not a competitor either: it is ineffective against new strains of the virus: South Africa has already abandoned the previously contracted millions of doses.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 9 February 2021 08: 39
    +1
    Political PR in your head and those who in the West hammered it into people's heads. There was one PR: you need to save people and as quickly as possible.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 9 February 2021 10: 29
      +1
      At least take a look at the title of this article. This is "the West is no longer funny" - and there is the same PR, because of which people feel as if they are being driven for vaccination, as in the trenches of geopolitical confrontation.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 9 February 2021 08: 44
    +2
    The World almost apologized for previous criticism.

    How's that? belay
    Oh, yes, in the style of double standards. As well as here, on the forum, some southern "doctors from God" and To just what kind of dirt and ridicule did not dodge about the ineffectiveness of Sputnik ... Ah, sorry ... the fantasy is over.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 9 February 2021 13: 02
    0
    whether they are grafted, answer "no" or "rather no"
    see on the street a man in a mask and immediately understandable - easy-going, go ... that is, an individual
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 10 February 2021 08: 59
      0
      Masks are worn not only to protect themselves, but also to protect others. Maybe a person has the flu, or the same covid, but he needs to go outside. Doesn't want to infect anyone. And in China, street vendors are always wearing masks, they are obliged to wear them, and this is their long-standing practice, which has nothing to do with covid.
  • maks007
    maks007 9 February 2021 14: 11
    0

    The reputation of our vaccine was severely damaged by the fact that they tried to use it for political PR, this always immediately arouses suspicion, and for this very reason such a high percentage of people in Russia who, when asked whether they are ready to be vaccinated, answer "no" or "rather no" (much more than half). And so - a good vaccine, and the liberals argued literally in the forefront, and that you should not confuse those who make it with those who arrange ugly fuss around it. And they were vaccinated as soon as they got such an opportunity.

    What kind of PR can we talk about, look to the end
    21.12.20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEq_432hUlQ
    05.10.20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCRhBNqO_fY
  • Maz
    Maz 10 February 2021 12: 18
    +1
    Good luck, and let the enemies of Russia take a bite. It's just that so much dirt was poured on Sputnik in the Western press and in the Israeli media that public opinion was pro-Western and in the West was inclined to believe that the vaccine could not be effective, and for example yesterday ... suddenly, the Israeli media reported on a proposal to produce jointly with Russia the Sputnik vaccine, although before that the locals were hysterical that it was better to hang themselves than to be vaccinated with the Russian vaccine. And then suddenly a joint production and plus the head physician of one of the large hospitals wanted his institution to be a dealer for the distribution of Sputnik in Israel and not only .... Good luck, and let the enemies of Russia take a bite. They have something like that - The main thing is not what is true, but what people believe, so they are trying with might and main to overtake the black wave on the Russian vaccine.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 9 February 2021 05: 13
    +2
    In a couple of years we will be accused of putting pressure on Europe through the vaccine and imposing sanctions. Or in general, they will say that the covid was invented by the same ones who spent the analro and will also introduce sanctions) the world is such a garbage dump that I would not be surprised at all
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 08: 54
      -2
      Quote: carstorm 11
      In a couple of years we will be accused of putting pressure on Europe through the vaccine and imposing sanctions.

      I have no doubt, only that sanctions can be introduced in a week, they will be done. An example of this is Nord Stream 2.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 9 February 2021 05: 26
    +14
    This is the same magazine where, as a proven fact, it was asserted about the poisoning of Navalny with chemical weapons from the Novichok group. I remember then propaganda was foaming at the mouth, saying that it means nothing. They would have decided somehow laughing
    As for vaccines, there is a classic capitalist redistribution of markets. First created and sold the threat, now is the time to raise money to "overcome" it There are 4 main markets
    1) Rich countries 1 capital of the world - there are 2 vaccines. 2) China has its own. 3) India has its own and one Western.
    4) Other countries. There is a struggle for him. The Russian Federation has fenced off its market and is trying to penetrate the market of developing countries. The main problem is no production capacity. However, this is also a problem for Westerners. They have production facilities, but the market is too large. The PRC has the least problems here.
    1. A.K.
      A.K. 9 February 2021 06: 52
      +2
      In India, our vaccine is produced under license.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 9 February 2021 06: 57
        +5
        Quote: A.K.
        In India, our vaccine is produced under license.

        -In the first stage, vaccinations in India will be given with two vaccines. These are the Covishield drug developed by the British-Swedish company AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford, as well as the Covaxin vaccine by the Indian company Bharat Biotech. Both vaccines are produced in India. In addition, several other drugs are undergoing clinical trials in the country at various stages, including the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.
        Answering the question of a TASS correspondent whether India is ready to produce a vaccine for Russia, the minister said: “India makes vaccines for the whole world. The question is not to make a vaccine for this or that country, our capacities and opportunities for vaccine production are enormous. Even before the coronavirus, we were supplying a variety of vaccines to most [countries] in the rest of the world. "
        This is if there is a TASS report.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 February 2021 10: 07
          -2
          The Internet is cognitive.
          Now, if a discussion had not ensued, all these vaccines, as well as who, how and where they are vaccinated, you would not care.
          And so, even though the headings are diagonally, but they have learned.
  • Sergey M. Karasev
    Sergey M. Karasev 9 February 2021 05: 42
    -2
    RAS Corresponding Member Alexander Gorelov proposed nominating the Sputnik V developers for the Nobel Prize.

    And these, perhaps, will be the most worthy candidates in recent decades.

    They won't give it for political reasons. Rather, Navalny will receive it.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 9 February 2021 06: 01
      +4
      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      They won't give it for political reasons. Rather, Navalny will receive it.

      Navalny will receive the Peace Prize. And here we are talking about medicine. These are different awards.
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 9 February 2021 08: 02
        0
        It is not important. And then, and then - the Nobel Prize, albeit in different nominations.
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 9 February 2021 20: 54
        0
        Quote: Odyssey
        Navalny will receive the Peace Prize. And here we are talking about medicine.
        Navalny defeated Novice. Give the medicine award to Sisyan!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 09: 04
      -4
      Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
      They won't give it for political reasons. Rather, Navalny will receive it.

      This is certainly a landslide-Sumerian "prisoner of conscience" democrat of all countries and peoples. And the vaccine developers, as well as Mendeleev for his table, WILL NOT GIVE. Their toad and hatred crushes them.
      1. Sergey M. Karasev
        Sergey M. Karasev 9 February 2021 10: 17
        +3
        Their toad and hatred crushes them.

        Incl. and those who throw us a minus. They are probably piously convinced of the honesty and impartiality of the Nobel Committee.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 21
          0
          Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
          Incl. and those who throw us a minus. They are probably piously convinced of the honesty and impartiality of the Nobel Committee.

          We also have such a bulk of "believers" or adherents of the West.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 9 February 2021 05: 51
    -9
    We are persistently told about the shortage of vaccines in Europe.
    At the same time, it is stated on TV that there is no deficit in Russia and there are no queues.
    It was especially funny for me to listen to this when I called the clinic and signed up for eight hundred, and then on the condition that the vaccine would be given. For "those galoshes that were last week, we ate a long time ago."
    The GDP itself was talking about the lack of production capacity back in the fall, and then suddenly once, and "there are no queues."
    Not funny.
    1. Coward
      Coward 9 February 2021 06: 12
      +15
      On February 3, through the clinic's website, I signed up for vaccinations, on the 4th they called and made an appointment for February 5th. In the morning he came and made no queues, the second injection was scheduled for 26.02.
      So, breshete not dear.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 9 February 2021 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: Coward

        So, breshete not dear.

        Why should I lie then?
        I look at public services - choose, I don't want to.
        I called the reception - a preliminary appointment must be confirmed upon availability.
        Signed up last week, still not called.
        I don’t know if the registry is stupid, we really don’t have a fact.
        So it all depends on where you live. In your capitals it is clear, even with the scoop everything was, in our "center of power" everything was through ...
        1. Coward
          Coward 10 February 2021 01: 12
          +3
          "In your capitals"
          You know, at the beginning I wanted to write a city, but then I decided to check if you would start a song about the capital or not. So I live and get vaccinated in Vladivostok.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus 9 February 2021 06: 23
      +4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It was especially funny for me to listen to this when I called the clinic and signed up for eight hundred, and then on the condition that the vaccine will be given. For "those galoshes that were last week, we ate a long time ago"

      It all depends on where you live. In different regions and cities in different ways.
      P / S Sorry for the question, purely for the sake of curiosity, but why are you going? What is the meaning of the event? Do you tolerate ARVI very badly?
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 9 February 2021 06: 25
      +11
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      At the same time, it is stated on TV that there is no deficit in Russia and there are no queues

      That's not even funny .... enrolled in the queue 710, spouse of some kind.
      They called the next day and made an appointment for a vaccination, tomorrow ... done, everything is OK. Spouse in 2 days.
      I told people on Monday at work, whoever wanted to sign up began to sign up .... also three-digit numbering !!! And then two more vaccination points were opened in the city and vaccines were delivered ... in a five-digit amount!
      It's not anything ... just vaccinating people.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 25
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        It's not anything ... just vaccinating people.

        Those who spread panic and gloat at it are just dishonest people.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 9 February 2021 10: 30
          0
          So this is not the first time, vaccination is not the first!
          Okay, in the Middle Ages, the people were not educated ... now where is such obscurantism ??? Woe from wit has come another period when common sense replaces any beleberda their Internet ???
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 40
            -2
            Quote: rocket757
            Woe from wit has come another period when common sense replaces any beleberda their Internet ???

            All modern education and worldview forms, to a greater extent, the Internet. He has more faith, whether it's true or false, but "Vasya writes only the truth in his blog." And it is very difficult to prove the opposite.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 9 February 2021 10: 44
              +2
              When there is no knowledge and common sense is lame on both legs ... just worldly wisdom, the definition is very conditional, and it is different for everyone.
    4. bolt
      bolt 9 February 2021 07: 16
      +5
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It was especially funny for me to listen to this when I called the clinic and signed up for eight hundred, and then on the condition that the vaccine would be given. For "those galoshes that were last week, we ate a long time ago."


      On February 8th at 8 am I called the clinic. Appointed to the same day... We arrived with my wife and gave the first injection. The second is on March 9th. No pushing, order, extremely friendly attitude.

      So, breshete not dear.
    5. BAI
      BAI 9 February 2021 09: 50
      +1
      Nonsense. The vaccine is delivered in a batch of 5 pieces. Groups of 5 people are formed and the exact date is called. By this date, both the set of patients and the number of doses, divisible by 5, are ready. Otherwise, it (recording) is useless - with a long wait, a person can get sick and the formed group will crumble.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 February 2021 07: 21
    +3
    It is quite a worthy gift and an excellent reason to dispel the doubts of skeptics who always doubt the Russian scientific potential.

    There is no doubt about the scientific potential of the country since the 30s of the last century.
    The problem is that for the last 30 years we have hardly used it for its intended purpose.
    ... .publishing the results ... in the authoritative international journal The Lancet ...

    For 300 years, our elite has been looking into the mouth of the gairope with lust. The Russian Empire was built, then the mighty USSR (the first state of national prosperity), but again we are watching with lust for foreign publications, maybe they will be praised ...
  • ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 9 February 2021 07: 33
    +5
    There is one unpleasant moment, there is a very tough presing of the Sputnik vaccine in terms of PR in Russia. Starting from all sorts of distributed video clips on WhatsApp and ending with tik tok. So, yesterday I was vaccinated with a companion, but my relatives did not appreciate my decision. The cousins ​​scolded me for allegedly saying that people die after this vaccine. When asked from whom they hear this nonsense, "this is what they say and show on the Internet." In Russia, in general, there is a tough propaganda about refusing vaccinations, which raises the question of what is happening in general. Okay, kids, but when adults claim that vaccinations are terribly dangerous and in no case should they be put on the basis of what they say on the Internet! I think that this voluntary vaccination company will not show this yet, in general we will see what happens next.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 29
      0
      Quote: ruivit1988
      When asked from whom they hear this nonsense, "this is what they say and show on the Internet."

      This infection on the Internet is worse than the "caronavirus-19" itself.
      1. ruivit1988
        ruivit1988 10 February 2021 06: 11
        +1
        The Internet has nothing to do with it, it's a tool for everything. And we must be able to use this tool, our authorities missed this moment! They need to learn how to use this tool, and they should be able to use it now, at least, not to mention yesterday. In a place that would support bloggers those who are supporters of this very vaccination and those who are friends with their heads. They have poured a lot of power into television, although topic bloggers could simply have been given information. To interview volunteer scientists who worked on it. Require the subjects in the second phase to blog on social networks and share information on the Internet and various social networks. They are in the place of this stupid chatter on TVs, when the young stupid does not watch the zombie box!
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 10 February 2021 09: 16
          0
          Come on. Communicating with students, I come to the conclusion that they are surfing the Internet and watching TV programs, often this happens simultaneously. And many people watch TV programs on the Internet using a computer monitor, not a television set. And only on this basis they claim that they don't watch TV.)
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 10 February 2021 10: 22
          -1
          Quote: ruivit1988
          The Internet has nothing to do with it, it's a tool for everything.

          I agree with you. Just like a gun, a tool, and a man pulls the trigger.
  • Million
    Million 9 February 2021 07: 34
    +3
    The vaccine may or may not be good.
    The people do not believe the authorities, because she lies more often than she tells the truth.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 9 February 2021 08: 12
      -8
      Quote: Million
      The people do not believe the authorities, because she lies more often than she tells the truth.

      It is not necessary to speak for the whole people of Russia, even if you are a deputy from some part of the people of Russia.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 9 February 2021 08: 53
        -3
        Well, look at the survey results: https://ria.ru/20201223/vaktsina-1590519794.html

        Moreover, this is the state VTsIOM on the state RIA Novosti. A breakthrough in Russian science, they wiped their nose to the West, and only 38% of those wishing to be vaccinated.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 9 February 2021 11: 02
          0
          Quote: military_cat
          Moreover, this is the state VTsIOM on the state RIA Novosti.

          I didn’t fall short, followed the link and what did I see there? - outdated data: laughing

          "MOSCOW, 23 Dec - RIA News. 38% of Russians are going to be vaccinated with the coronavirus vaccine, according to the VTsIOM poll.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 9 February 2021 11: 15
            -4
            That is, then they did not believe the authorities about the breakthrough vaccine, but after a month and a half they began to believe?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 9 February 2021 11: 51
              +1
              Quote: military_cat
              and after a month and a half they started to believe?

              Quite right because all three test phases have been completed.
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 9 February 2021 12: 04
                -3
                This means that they believe the publication of the article in the Lancet. And they do not believe the claims that the third phase of testing was not required.
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. ruivit1988
        ruivit1988 10 February 2021 06: 18
        +1
        In general, there is a tendency not to give vaccinations. I talk to a lot of people and I will say straightforwardly that people have such a low confidence in the vaccine that it is simply scary for the future. Citizens fell headlong into the myth that before people without vaccinations lived happily ever after and did not get sick, but now there is an epidemic all around. I suggested to one of these clever men to read the Scandinavian sagas, where it was mentioned in a slip how people "did not get sick" before. So here we need to look at the problem more broadly, the population loses confidence in traditional medicine and draws itself into obscurantism. That's the trouble, and not the desire to vaccinate is already a consequence of the problems of obscurantism of people.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Million
      The people do not believe the authorities, because she lies more often than she tells the truth.

      The authorities lie everywhere and always, but "free bloggers" on the Internet lie even more. Especially when it comes to the health of the people.
    3. Strannik96
      Strannik96 9 February 2021 11: 44
      +3
      It is necessary to read less dirt, otherwise how will it squeeze in such a way to be grafted with a Sputnik, but when asked you do not believe the authorities - and this is different!
      1. Million
        Million 9 February 2021 11: 54
        +2
        it will be too late how it will squeeze
  • Undecim
    Undecim 9 February 2021 08: 03
    +7
    From the very beginning of clinical trials of the Sputnik V vaccine, there was a lack of clear information about the effectiveness of the drug.
    But on February 2, the British medical scientific publication The Lancet, one of the oldest and most authoritative in the world (founded in 1826), published an 11-page article on the effectiveness of the vaccine.
    The Lancet has been publishing materials on the development of the Sputnik V vaccine regularly since the moment it was registered.
    The first article appeared in September last year. This February article is already the third. Therefore, information about the drug and its effectiveness was known.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 9 February 2021 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      From the very beginning of clinical trials of the Sputnik V vaccine, there was a lack of clear information about the effectiveness of the drug.
      But on February 2, the British medical scientific publication The Lancet, one of the oldest and most authoritative in the world (founded in 1826), published an 11-page article on the effectiveness of the vaccine.
      The Lancet has been publishing materials on the development of the Sputnik V vaccine regularly since the moment it was registered.
      The first article appeared in September last year. This February article is already the third. Therefore, information about the drug and its effectiveness was known.

      This once again proves the malicious, unfounded, vicious attacks of the West, under the arrogant command of the "exceptional" (USA) on Russia.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 9 February 2021 08: 54
        +4
        "People see what they want to see; they hear what they want to hear; they believe what they want to believe and refuse to believe what they don't like."
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 9 February 2021 09: 15
          +4
          Quote: Undecim
          "People see what they want to see; they hear what they want to hear; they believe what they want to believe and refuse to believe what they don't like."

          Exactly, who is arguing with the ancient Greek sage Scyleph winked
          Our life does not consist of events, but of our attitude to events. If you really want, then you can, if you couldn't, then you didn't really want to.
  • ggraph
    ggraph 9 February 2021 09: 14
    +3
    I read the other day This article on thelancet.com, or rather there are two articles. But what confuses me most is that electronic translators translate this resource without a single mistake. Even the commas are in place. And in some places literary translation even skips.
  • BAI
    BAI 9 February 2021 09: 41
    +2
    However, it is now the world's most purchased anti-clot vaccine - contracts for 3,29 billion doses were confirmed at the end of January.

    The Russian Sputnik V will cost $ 10 for a two-component dose, and the British-Swedish counterpart, also consisting of two injections, only $ 4.

    So we calculate how much pharmacists have received in the last 3 months, and how much they will receive in a year, and how many years they will whip up hysteria with Covid.
    No sooner had the English virus lit up than they were talking about the South African virus. And so it will be, if not indefinitely, then for a very long time.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 9 February 2021 09: 56
    +4
    With such high potency, Pfizer vaccine is very expensive ...


    Prices for waxes for the EU leaked in the media:

    Pfizer - 13 euros
    Astra Zeneca - 1,78 euros
    Sanofi - 7,56 euros
    Kyur Vak - 10 euros
    Modern - $ 18
    Johnson & Johnson - $ 8,50

    Regarding The Lancet, there were two more important articles about countries with strict quarantine having more infections than countries with a lung like Sweden. The trillion dollar question - why the whole world decided to commit suicide economically pops up.

    Regarding the Russian vaccine, what does it matter whether it is good or not, if there is no capacity for its production and export? Other pharmacological concerns will flood the entire market with their vaccines in March.

    Regarding Astra Zeneca, the author was cheating a little - the vaccine protects 70% from infection and is close to a hundred from a severe form. And at a price of 1,78, all third world countries will buy it. When there will be free capacity, of course.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 February 2021 10: 36
      +1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      When there will be free capacity, of course.

      Hindus have great power, so they hurry up.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 February 2021 09: 57
    0
    And now a question from the audience, if a person is grafted, then (according to official assurances) from each iron, he is not in danger of not getting infected. The question is, he will have to pay fines and go to the store without a mask (logically not) But something suggests that nothing of the kind.
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 9 February 2021 10: 17
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      And now a question from the audience, if a person is vaccinated ... he is not in danger of not getting infected, not infecting.

      What is this?
      It is threatening. And get infected and ... get sick again. They should relieve the severe course and complications that can lead to disability or death. Should ... That's the main job of vaccination.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 9 February 2021 10: 29
        -5
        Should? -And the official propaganda says that it completely excludes single infection. Therefore, it is inappropriate to wear a mask and you can send everyone who wants to take off points by the forest accordingly.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 10 February 2021 09: 22
          -1
          No propaganda anywhere, in any country claims this. Many people who get the flu vaccine do get sick with it. But all the same, the disease proceeds in a milder form.
          1. evgen1221
            evgen1221 10 February 2021 14: 25
            0
            And since ARVI influenza killed a little more than from covid and for this reason it was apparently obliged to pay fines for covid.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 10 February 2021 18: 48
              -1
              Many more people died from covid in a year than from the flu.
    2. would
      would 11 February 2021 17: 26
      0
      1. Wearing a mask is a legal issue, not a matter of fact or logic. As long as no changes have been made to the relevant ABO, no one will care if you are vaccinated or not, whether you can infect or not. Dura lex sed lex.
      2. The danger of getting infected and infecting is even much less. No vaccine gives 100% protection.
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 10: 08
    +8
    Is it some kind of special browsers output? It seems okay, scientific news from Russia, it rarely happens, but you must definitely add something like
    Russia's new export oil will be called Sputnik V.

    The foreign press also praised the results of the Russian vaccination tests.

    Die Welt almost apologized for the previous criticism. And she noted the justification of such an early registration of the vaccine.

    Bloomberg has named the Sputnik V development the largest scientific breakthrough in Russia since the Soviet Union and dubbed the development Moscow's new “soft power” on the international stage.


    Bloomberg's Russia columnist, Henry Meyer, comes across as a deeply sick man. Die Welt has a rather ambiguous history of its publications on Russian issues in recent years.

    The facts are as follows:
    Currently, there are about 3 vaccines in the 20rd phase, 2 of them are Russian, Sputnik and from Vector. The satellite began the 3rd phase in August 2020, it was already able to publish the results, well done, Vector began only in November, if the result is positive, then approximately by the summer. The strange part of the news is that the publication of the results of the 3rd phase of the satellite took place in February 2021, and the registration of the Ministry of Health was already in August 2020.

    Western markets are closed by Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, they all published the results of the 3rd phase in December, began the 3rd phase in May-June 2020. In December, mass vaccinations began in developed countries. In addition, two more vaccines are on the way, from Johnson and Johnson and from Novawax. Since the Western majors have a serious industrial base, a shortage of vaccines is not expected, frankly.

    Also vaccines are made by the Chinese, Sinopharm (approved in 14 countries), Sinovac (10 countries), CanSino (limited, China only) and Bharat Biotech Indians (still in testing). A dozen projects in earlier stages.

    Now for the bad part.

    As of February 8, 1 million people or 2% were vaccinated (101st or 1.3nd part) in the world. 1 million vaccines supplied in Russia including 1st and 2nd parts in total, that is, approximately 0,6% of the population. Half the world average. EU -2,7%, States - 9,4%, Britain -18%, Israel, UAE - more than 40%. Canadians are now cursing their prime minister for extremely low (relative to the States) rates of vaccination, but more vaccinations have been made there than in Russia, with a 3.5 times smaller population.

    Soft power. New oil. Yeah.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 9 February 2021 10: 32
      +3
      Oh, do not pay attention - their media produce a lot of information noise uselessly. If they wrote briefly and to the point, then the newspapers would be A4 size on one side.
    2. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 9 February 2021 10: 33
      -6
      Above, colleagues have already noted that in the Russian segment of the network there is stubborn propaganda against vaccination.
      Quote: ruivit1988
      There is one unpleasant moment, there is a very tough presing of the Sputnik vaccine in terms of PR in Russia. Starting from all sorts of distributed video clips on WhatsApp and ending with tik tok. So, yesterday I was vaccinated with a companion, but my relatives did not appreciate my decision. The cousins ​​scolded me for allegedly saying that people die after this vaccine. When asked from whom they hear this nonsense, "this is what they say and show on the Internet." In Russia, in general, there is a tough propaganda about refusing vaccinations, which raises the question of what is happening in general. Okay, kids, but when adults claim that vaccinations are terribly dangerous and in no case should they be put on the basis of what they say on the Internet! I think that this voluntary vaccination company will not show this yet, in general we will see what happens next.

      Is there such a thing somewhere in the west? Didn't hear. Many do not want to get vaccinated, after listening to Internet nonsense!
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 10: 40
        +6
        Excuse me, did I understand you correctly that the Russian scientists again got the wrong people? They did everything for him, but he runs from vaccinations, obscurantist?
        1. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 9 February 2021 11: 12
          +2
          Not without it. We have enough people for whom any charlatan from "folk healers" has a much greater authority in medicine than an academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences. I personally knew people who, instead of an oncological operation, ran around such charlatans and other witches, in the end they still went to the hospital, but it was too late. I also know a mother who forbade all vaccinations for her newborn daughter. Do you remember Chumak and Kashpirovsky!
          1. ruivit1988
            ruivit1988 10 February 2021 06: 42
            +1
            In general, there is a tendency not to give vaccinations. I talk to a lot of people and I will say straightforwardly that people have such a low confidence in the vaccine that it is simply scary for the future. Citizens fell headlong into the myth that before people without vaccinations lived happily ever after and did not get sick, but now there is an epidemic all around. I suggested to one of these clever men to read the Scandinavian sagas, where it was mentioned in a slip how people "did not get sick" before. So here we need to look at the problem more broadly, the population loses confidence in traditional medicine and draws itself into obscurantism. That's the trouble, and not the desire to vaccinate is already a consequence of the problems of obscurantism of people.

            I agree with you, the citizens have a general obscurantism. The impression is that a very, very serious problem is brewing. I am fighting with my wife and stepson to get him vaccinated, and I can hardly convince him. They often show me a bunch of videos of charlatans, so I know what I'm talking about. Of course, I show by my example that this should be done without any "B". So the problem is the tendency for people to develop obscurantism in the 21st century.
        2. ruivit1988
          ruivit1988 10 February 2021 06: 35
          0
          Why are you distorting, the people are not the people. The problem is different, that our authorities are behaving in a strange way. After all, it was obvious from the very beginning that there would be a pre-press of the vaccine, as soon as I heard that it appeared I already assumed! Yes, the authorities began to say good things about her on the zombie box, but. They completely forgot about the existence of social networks on YouTube. There was no propaganda, not even coverage of all events. Although one could simply force the subjects to blog in tik tok and so on! And then it would be much more difficult for those who organized the persecution to conduct this persecution! This is the miscalculation of the authorities. There is also a tendency in the network to promote the refusal of vaccinations, why the authorities are not fighting to cut these tendencies in the bud, or at least to promote traditional medicine! So a terrible problem is brewing, and I am more confident that refusing to be vaccinated with a satellite is only the beginning of what awaits us. Moreover, if our authorities do not want to solve the problem, I decided to conduct my propaganda so to speak. Since I was vaccinated, I will start a channel in a moronic tick-tock and will talk about how I survived the vaccination, all the more the second part of the vaccination awaits me in March. No wonder they say, if you want to do something well, do it yourself.
    3. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 9 February 2021 16: 47
      0
      Quote: Cherry Nine

      Now for the bad part.


      The bad part isn't even that, but that not all vaccines are effective against new strains of the virus. The same AstraZeneca, according to preliminary estimates, is ineffective. There are no efficiency estimates for Sputnik-V, but Sputnik-V was made using a technology close to AstraZeneca.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Not all vaccines are effective against new strains of the virus.

        Well, since the terrible Covid is SARS at maximum speed, there will never be an effective vaccine against all possible strains. I'm interested in a vaccine that will die less when used. RNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) seem to remain effective, vector vaccines (AstraZeneca, Sputnik are of the same type) decrease somewhat, but 60% is an acceptable result. So globally South African and British strains don't change anything.

        Separately, I note that people who demanded that no one dare to call the coronavirus "Chinese" have absolutely nothing against the British and South African strains.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 9 February 2021 18: 57
          -1
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          since the terrible Covid is SARS at maximum speed, there will never be an effective vaccine against all possible strains.


          As you say. But, judging by the fact that a universal influenza vaccine is considered possible and is even being tested, you represent some kind of marginal direction of virology.

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          globally South African and British strains don't change anything


          Depends on the meaning of the word "globally".

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Separately, I note that people who demanded that no one dare to call the coronavirus "Chinese" have absolutely nothing against the British and South African strains.


          I do not know. Maybe. But I know that some of those who insisted on the name "Chinese virus" are very opposed to "British".
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 19: 05
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            a universal influenza vaccine is considered possible and is even being tested,

            Oh, well, OK. I will be glad. I do not represent any direction of virology, so I am a little interested.
            1. Liam
              Liam 9 February 2021 19: 09
              +2
              hi
              Pfizer and Moderna are made using new technology .. Their trick is that with minimal modifications they are able to resist different strains and mutations. Scientific breakthrough in general
  • Alex66
    Alex66 9 February 2021 10: 21
    -2
    Our enemies praise our vaccine, is it good or bad for us? Nabiulina is the best banker according to the West, but we are no better off. Those. when our enemies praise us this is no reason for joy. We were praised when we ruined our industry, destroyed missiles, etc. And has Putin already been vaccinated?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 9 February 2021 10: 39
    0
    Quote: evgen1221
    Should? -And the official propaganda says that it completely excludes single infection. Therefore, it is inappropriate to wear a mask and you can send everyone who wants to take off points by the forest accordingly.

    If everything was so simple, then viral infections disappeared like smallpox. Every year billions are vaccinated, and viruses are marching around the world and "their footsteps are getting louder" ...
    And about wearing masks ... Masks protect the owner by 20-25% from the flow of viruses from the outside. But in a sick person, 40-45% of viruses are delayed during exhalation. The Japanese were doing research. So masks are more effective for sick people. But even if we summarize the protective properties of the masks for exhalation and inhalation, we get quite good 60-70% of interception ...
    So it is premature to refuse the correct wearing of a mask, especially for people with weakened immunity, and in crowded places ...
  • bubalik
    bubalik 9 February 2021 10: 58
    +1
    ,,, it is not entirely clear whether it is necessary to take a PCR test to determine COVID-19, and blood for the presence of antibodies before vaccination.
  • Shkworen
    Shkworen 9 February 2021 11: 04
    +2
    just wrote in the news that the EU has accepted an application for registering a satellite :)
  • gaudin
    gaudin 9 February 2021 11: 05
    0
    The British-Swedish vaccine from AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford combined gives only 70,4% effectiveness.

    Considering the cost of developing a vaccine, such a result can hardly be called a success.

    And the flu vaccine is 75% effective if you guessed correctly with the virus and 25% if not.
  • for
    for 9 February 2021 11: 14
    0
    And why the vaccine, anyway in August we will all recover by the elections, so the talking head of SANDs promises us. And then there's the penguin flu.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 9 February 2021 11: 58
    0
    Below is a link to the article - "an open letter from Belgian doctors" from September last year. Which comprehensively addresses transmission, treatment and quarantine measures against Covid. Those interested can get acquainted.
    The results of studies on the effectiveness of masks, conducted in Belgium in April-May 2020, refused to print the same Lancet because their efficiency is close to zero. Well, and much more
    https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/
    About the masks. In Austria, it is prescribed to wear respirators in public places, which means that the Austrian authorities have recognized that the masks are not effective. The introduction of mandatory respirators in public places is being considered in the southern states of Germany.
  • Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
    Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 9 February 2021 12: 09
    +3
    Rubric "white lord praised"? I approve.
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 9 February 2021 13: 22
    -4
    Not just acknowledged, but confirmed that Sputnik V is the only and most reliable proven vaccine. Other vaccines at the moment are considered just PR that has not passed confirmation of its effectiveness.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 9 February 2021 15: 29
      +1
      About 100 million people in the world were vaccinated with the 1st or 2nd dose of various vaccines, 1,0-1,2 million were vaccinated including the 1st and 2nd part in the amount of satellite-5. How are nearly one hundred million people vaccinated? PR?
      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 10 February 2021 13: 59
        -1
        Vaccinated mostly placebo, that's why so many die from Western! And many more were stolen from Russian sources, on the basis of which they developed.
  • puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 9 February 2021 14: 14
    +1
    As my doctor friend said, the trade in weapons, drugs, people, etc., was not even close to the pharmacological mafia! Big capital has no boundaries and there is no big difference which corporation does better for the common people! First, they will feel the profit, and then they will think about how to increase it by spreading diseases or creating conditions for their spread. One joy that science is still alive in Russia!
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 9 February 2021 14: 18
      0
      Is the doctor an arms dealer or a drug dealer?
  • puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 9 February 2021 14: 28
    0
    I can give a hint to our scientists! Because bird flu has already been, mammals (swine) has been, then with a high probability, the next one will be ... Fish flu !!! Fishing in masks and gloves, refusal of fish dishes, closure of coastal cities, disputes about the permissibility of using fish oil ....)))))
  • Michael M.
    Michael M. 9 February 2021 15: 21
    +2
    The author, and who is the leader in terms of side effects? If we compare, then to the end. In all respects.
  • Izotron 3-150
    Izotron 3-150 9 February 2021 15: 36
    0
    So what's up!?
    Let the population of the country be vaccinated, taking care of the people should be a priority and not selling
  • kiborg
    kiborg 9 February 2021 15: 40
    -3
    If our vaccine is recognized in the West, then it will become completely impossible for the Russians to get vaccinated, because now the satellite will go there too ... The main thing for our government is to get more dough ... and the people will blah blah blah .. We began to vaccinate Latin America, Argentina already received 1 million doses. Africa is next in line. Contracts signed with Tunisia and Angola ....
    Meanwhile, even in the Moscow region, only 300 thousand people are vaccinated. Crumbs are sent to the regions, 5-7 thousand doses per region. What mass vaccination is the TV talking about ???
    It is impossible to enroll through the State Services!
    Why all this talk about vaccinations ??? Not even all doctors are vaccinated yet ...
  • kamakama
    kamakama 9 February 2021 15: 44
    +1
    More questions are raised not by the effectiveness of the vaccine (whether you get sick or not), but safety (side effects, including long-term ones, for example, a tendency to oncology or infertility). Alas, it is impossible to give a long-term forecast in a short period of time.
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 9 February 2021 15: 53
    0
    Just compare the number of people vaccinated by a phaser and a satellite in the world. The satellite can be as good as you like, but if you cannot arrange its release, then there is little sense from it for humanity.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 9 February 2021 16: 43
    +1
    Nobody recognized Sputnik-V as a "scientific breakthrough". It's just a good vaccine. The effectiveness of which against new strains of the virus has not been tested, so there is no need to talk about a "rush to the top" yet. And the technology the vaccine is based on is not the newest.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 9 February 2021 16: 59
    0
    Bloomberg has a website about covid19 vaccines, contracts, time of creation, trials. The companion in terms of efficiency is about the same as the best ones - Pfizer and Moderna, developed and tested later. What is clearly seen is that the production level of Sputnik is lower; in Russia, at least one dose was vaccinated less than a percent of the population - 0,55. Although even in Turkey it is 5-6 times more than 3,2. In Britain 19%, the USA 13%, in Germany 3,9, China 2,2, Brazil 2,8. Of course, some countries have bought vaccines at a high price and Israel is at the head - 62%. The UAE hurried in advance - 41%.
    In terms of the number of doses administered, Russia is in 18th place, after Romania.
    Well, and contracts - AstraZeneca contracted 3 billion doses, more than anyone else, although the effectiveness was not the best. The satellite is in 4th place. Although the coverage of orders of the population of Russia is 55%, Canada - 330%, USA 169, Britain - 300%
  • Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 9 February 2021 17: 47
    0
    publishing an article in The Lancet is not so easy - a special review is required ... Judging by the fact that the work ... is accepted for publication ... everything is in order.

    Making a vaccine is a success. But there is a strange excitement about the publication - several scientists published a scientific article in a journal in their specialty - OK, but they are supposed to do it according to their position. Reviewers are always available for publication in any decent scientific journal. A couple of reviewers found the article interesting and did not see any obvious errors or deviations from scientific methods in the text, or they saw it, but small, and the authors corrected them, well, the reviewers gave the go-ahead. Reviewers cannot and should not double-check the original data.
    If the vaccine is the third most effective, then who "recognized" it as a "breakthrough"? ..
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 9 February 2021 18: 36
      -1
      Quote: Falcon5555
      If the vaccine is the third most effective, then who "recognized" it as a "breakthrough"? ..

      "Breakthrough" is just a figure of speech. There are many exaggerations in the article, for example, "Russian high-tech is not often praised in the world arenas." What does hi-tech have to do with it? The vaccine is not at all high-tech. It was made according to the standard technology of the last century. BUT, this did not make it worse!... It is an old, well-known tried and tested method that has long been used in vaccine preparation. It was applied very correctly, quickly and successfully. This is the merit of the research team.
      Another thing is that even after the laudatory publication in a scientific journal, a number of doubts and questions remained.
      "The study, published in the authoritative scientific journal The Lancet, confirms the high effectiveness of the Russian vaccine. However, the researchers point out, there are inconsistencies in it - scientists are worried about six points," writes the German journal Der Spiegel.

      "Back in September, about 40 experts from the team of renowned molecular biologist Enrico Bucci, who heads the Institute for Scientific Certainty in Italy called Resis, criticized the Russian data. At that time, they pointed primarily to the conspicuous duplication of data in the publication charts."

      "After six months, doubts remain." The decision of the Russian government to make the vaccine available before the 3rd phase of trials is still unacceptable, "- said Enrico Bucci, a professor at the University of Philadelphia, in an interview with Der Spiegel."

      Details are here:
      https://www.inopressa.ru/article/09Feb2021/spiegel/sputnik.html
    2. agond
      agond 9 February 2021 18: 37
      -1
      Rhetorical questions
      1 If the time frame for obtaining vaccines is calculated in years, is it possible, in principle, to create an effective vaccine in a few months?
      2 If the virus constantly mutates, recently the UK announced 4 thousand variants of the coronavirus, and while we have one vaccine, does it help against all viruses, or what?
      3 If the size of the virus is several hundred times smaller than the gaps between the threads of the mask tissue, how does the mask delay it? maybe she doesn't detain him at all and he flies through the mask like flies through an open gate?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 9 February 2021 19: 02
        -1
        Quote: agond
        Rhetorical questions
        1 If the time frame for obtaining vaccines is calculated in years, is it possible, in principle, to create an effective vaccine in a few months?
        2 If the virus constantly mutates, recently the UK announced 4 thousand variants of the coronavirus, and while we have one vaccine, does it help against all viruses, or what?
        3 If the size of the virus is several hundred times smaller than the gaps between the threads of the mask tissue, how does the mask delay it? maybe she doesn't detain him at all and he flies through the mask like flies through an open gate?

        Rhetorical questions do not require an answer.
        And there are answers to your questions:
        1. The vaccine is created quickly. However, registration and testing takes a long time.
        2. Vaccines cover a number of small mutations and will be sufficiently reliable and effective until some time. With the advent of new mutations, vaccines will either be corrected or new ones created. The crown, apparently, is with us for a long time. We will be vaccinated every year, as we do with the Flu.
        3. Viruses do not fly by themselves. They are carried mainly by airborne droplets with particles of mucus and saliva when coughing and sneezing. The mask protects from these particles.
        hi
      2. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 9 February 2021 19: 07
        0
        Quote: agond
        If the time frame for obtaining vaccines is calculated in years, is it possible in principle to create an effective vaccine in a few months?


        The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were invented weeks before the end of winter. They are being tested for a long time.

        Quote: agond
        We still have one vaccine, does it help against all viruses, or what?


        Trials are needed. EMNIP, Pfizer protects against the South African strain with 57% efficiency. And the use of AstraZeneca in South Africa was simply stopped after they found out that it was ineffective against their strain (but I don't know the numbers).

        Quote: agond
        If the size of the virus is several hundred times smaller than the gaps between the threads of the mask tissue, how does the mask delay it?


        The size of the water molecule is much smaller than the gaps between the latex molecules, but the water does not pour out of the condom.
  • Professor
    Professor 9 February 2021 18: 58
    0
    The story of when "backward" Russia unexpectedly entered the world's top-ranked COVID-19 vaccine developers seriously shook the West.

    It's true. The West was shocked by the fact that an unregistered vaccine that had not passed all stages of testing began to be widely used in humans.

    Now to the vaccine itself:
    1. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has accepted an application for registration of the Russian vaccine against the Sputnik V coronavirus just now, in February 2021. Before that, the Russian Federation did not transmit all the necessary data.
    2. In the article to which the author refers, there are numerous inconsistencies:
    *"Scientists, including Russian scientists, still do not have access to the initial data on the development of the vaccine. In response, they were told that the requests will be considered by the" security department. "
    * "There are inconsistencies in the number of subjects. The Lancet article names two numbers: one place refers to 21 research participants, the other refers to 977 participants."
    * "There were questions about the calculation of effectiveness: for example, 15% of the participants in the placebo group developed antibodies on day 42. It is very likely that they became infected during this time and Covid-19 was asymptomatic in them. It is unclear whether it was this is taken into account in the calculations "
    * "Also, it is not clear why the number of subjects in the 'vaccinated group' in the interim studies is much higher than in the final report in the Lancet."
    * "In addition, the Lancet article confuses the numbers of participants who contracted Covid-19, despite being vaccinated by Sputnik: so, according to the" results "of the study, after 21 days out of 15 thousand participants, only 16 people were infected, but in another parts of the article are suddenly talking about 61 cases of Covid in this group as of the 20th day. "

    And so on ... https://www.inopressa.ru/article/09feb2021/spiegel/sputnik.html
    3. The Israeli clinic of Adas was one of the first in the world to acquire thousands of doses of Sputnik V, but still has not received the necessary data from the Russian Federation. The Israeli Ministry of Health, due to lack of data, did not issue permission for vaccination with Sputnik. Now Adasa does not know how to get rid of Sputnik V. Meanwhile, in Israel, more than 3 million people were vaccinated with the vaccine from Faizer, who provided all the necessary data and who successfully passed all stages of testing.
    4. Which countries bought Sputnik V? Argentina, Bolivia, Pakistan, Brazil, India, Uzbekistan, Nepal, Egypt. There was a problem with Brazil. But then Brazil ... banned its use.

    However, the most interesting thing is how the Russian leadership received domestic vaccinations in front of the cameras. Curtain. bully
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 9 February 2021 19: 22
      0
      Quote: Professor
      There are numerous inconsistencies in the article referred to by the author.

      )))
      There are, as well as all information from Russia. And not without reason. But for now, let's leave the presumption of innocence, if not to Gamalee, then to the Lancet.
      Quote: Professor
      However, the most interesting thing is how the Russian leadership received domestic vaccinations in front of the cameras.

      Evil tongues claim that in the Kremlin on the brunt put fayzerovskaya. There is also a rumor that the Chinese also bought the phaser, but only for party members... You get younger at heart from such news)))
    2. sevtrash
      sevtrash 9 February 2021 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Professor
      ... "In addition, the Lancet article confused the numbers of participants who became infected with Covid-19, despite being vaccinated with Sputnik: so, according to the" results "of the study, after 21 days out of 15 thousand participants, only 16 people were infected, but another part of the article is suddenly talking about 61 cases of Covid in this group as of day 20. "
      And so on ... https://www.inopressa.ru/article/09feb2021/spiegel/sputnik.html

      As a result, Lancet appears to be a third-rate journal that does not review articles and publishes them with errors. I strongly doubt that an article on a topical topic was reviewed anyhow in such a magazine. Nonsense. Most likely, this is the work of the pseudo-scientific journalist Spiegel, who does not understand anything about research and hangs pseudo-scientific noodles on the ears of those who are thirsty to hear exactly this. In particular, the difference in quantity can be determined by the exclusion criteria, according to which a part of the respondents who were originally included in it are excluded with new circumstances. It is quite an existing practice and shows the seriousness of the study.
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    4. Strannik96
      Strannik96 10 February 2021 22: 02
      0
      [quote = professor] [quote] The story when "backward" Russia unexpectedly entered the world's top top developers of the COVID-19 vaccine seriously shocked the West. [/ quote]
      It's true. The West was shocked that an unregistered vaccine that had not passed all stages of testing began to be widely used in humans. [quote] [/ quote]

      Who told you personally that Western vaccines have passed all stages of testing? And they are also widely used in humans. Regarding the Satellite, look at the source, that is, what the Lancet writes, and not your inventions:
      [quote] .. [/ quote] Comorbidities - a known risk of severity for COVID-19 - were present in about a quarter of the study participants. 62 (1,3%) of 4902 people in the placebo group and 16 (0,1%) of 14 participants in the vaccination group confirmed SARS-CoV-964 infection from 2 days after the first dose of the vaccine (main result). The time-resolved incidence plot of the two groups showed that the immunity needed to prevent disease occurred within 21 days of the first dose. This protection applied to all age groups, including those over 18, and anecdotal medical histories of those who were vaccinated but infected suggest that the severity of the disease
      decreases with the development of immunity. Three deaths occurred in a group of vaccinated individuals with extensive comorbidities and were considered unrelated to the vaccine. No serious vaccine-related adverse events were reported, but non-vaccine-related serious adverse events were reported in 45 participants in the vaccine group and 23 participants in the placebo group. The vaccine efficacy, based on the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 21 days after the first dose of vaccine, is 91,6% (95% CI 85,6–95,2), and the estimated reduction in disease severity. after a single dose is particularly encouraging for current dose-saving strategies
      The development of the Sputnik V vaccine has been criticized for obscene haste, circumvention and lack of transparency.

      But the result reported here is clear and demonstrates the scientific principle of vaccination, which means that now another vaccine can join the fight to reduce the incidence of COVID-19. [Quote] [/ quote]

      And this is a link to the Lancet website: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header
      1. Professor
        Professor 10 February 2021 22: 34
        0
        Quote: Strannik96
        Who told you personally that Western vaccines have passed all stages of testing? And they are also widely used in humans.

        Yes, to me personally. By the way, I received 2 Faizer vaccinations as well as millions of Israelis. And do you know what is most interesting? Faizer was lying when he reported 95% "success" of the vaccine. She turned out to be much better.

        Quote: Strannik96
        Regarding the Satellite, look at the source, that is, what the Lancet writes, and not your inventions:

        Where should I go? So says Professor Enrico Bucci.

        I'm wondering how the Russian Federation was able to complete the third stage of testing if the control group who received a placebo began to be massively vaccinated with bourgeois vaccines? request
        1. Strannik96
          Strannik96 10 February 2021 22: 58
          -1
          So who personally told you that Western vaccines have passed all stages of testing? The above was an excerpt from the lancet and it is different from what you are writing. Who, then, personally informs you about the "mass vaccination with bourgeois vaccines" of the control group?
          To bring foreign names - what is the last argument? By the way, the Lancet in the same article writes about Ebola: An earlier vaccine against the disease caused by the Ebola virus, also developed at the Gamaleya National Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology (Moscow, Russia), was similar, with viruses carrying Ad5 and vesicular stomatitis virus, 3
          and the general principle of simple boost with two different vectors has been widely used experimentally.
          1. Professor
            Professor 11 February 2021 07: 19
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            Quote: Strannik96
            So who personally told you that Western vaccines have passed all stages of testing? The above was an excerpt from the lancet and it is different from what you are writing. Who, then, personally informs you about the "mass vaccination with bourgeois vaccines" of the control group?


            Faizer personally reported. He informed and EfDi Hey providing ALL the necessary documents. The documents from Sputnik were apparently lost in the mail ...
            The name of the professor I gave as the above reference to him in Der Spiegel.

            Quote: Strannik96
            By the way, the Lancet in the same article writes about Ebola: An earlier vaccine against the disease caused by the Ebola virus, also developed at the Gamaleya National Research Center for Epidemiology and Microbiology (Moscow, Russia), was similar, with viruses carrying Ad5 and vesicular stomatitis virus, 3
            and the general principle of simple boost with two different vectors has been widely used experimentally.

            Ebola is great. However, this has nothing to do with errors in the Sputnik numbers and the lack of data on the third stage of testing. The developers rushed to declare themselves the first before reaching the finish line.
            1. Strannik96
              Strannik96 11 February 2021 10: 28
              -1
              Where did you see the documents from the fizer? Show them, and read the spiegel less if you want to have objective information. You started with a lancet, and ended with a spiegel, and there is no statement in the lancet that the documents from Sputnik were lost. Knowingly telling lies is called libel
              1. Professor
                Professor 11 February 2021 18: 45
                +1
                Quote: Strannik96
                Where did you see the documents from the fizer?

                Start here: https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-Vaccine/

                Quote: Strannik96
                Show them, and read the spiegel less if you want to have objective information.

                Yes Yes. We must read Pravda.

                Quote: Strannik96
                You started with a lancet and ended with a spiegel, and there is no statement in the lancet that the documents from Sputnik were lost. Knowingly telling lies is called libel

                Slander this to the creators of Sputnik. They have a discrepancy with the numbers in which they were exposed. Spiegel details the inconsistencies in the Lancet.
                1. sevtrash
                  sevtrash 11 February 2021 20: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Slander this to the creators of Sputnik. They have a discrepancy with the numbers in which they were exposed. Spiegel details the inconsistencies in the Lancet.

                  More than original - Spiegel exposed the Lancet !! We compared white with hot. The Lancet is a peer-review scientific journal with a long-standing positive reputation. And of course, the reviewers of the article in Lancet are professionals in their field, who evaluated the article according to criteria of reliability. Spiegel, you see, is higher than a professional magazine, a long-term leader in publishing the most significant works in the world! Some nonsense.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 11 February 2021 21: 35
                    0
                    Quote: sevtrash
                    Slander this to the creators of Sputnik. They have a discrepancy with the numbers in which they were exposed. Spiegel details the inconsistencies in the Lancet.
                    More than original - Spiegel exposed the Lancet !! We compared white with hot. The Lancet is a peer-review scientific journal with a long-standing positive reputation. And of course, the reviewers of the article in Lancet are professionals in their field, who evaluated the article according to criteria of reliability. Spiegel, you see, is higher than a professional magazine, a long-term leader in publishing the most significant works in the world! Some nonsense.

                    Well yes. We read the original source:
                    Bereits im September hatten rund 40 Experten um den bekannten Molekularbiologen Enrico Bucci, der in Italien ein Institut für wissenschaftliche Integrität namens Resis leitet, die russische Datenlage kritisiert. Sie hatten damals vor allem auf die auffälligen Dopplungen in Diagrammen der Veröffentlichung hingewiesen.
                    https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/corona-impfstoff-sputnik-v-aus-russland-in-der-kritik-zahlendreher-und-fehlende-daten-a-02f720be-f45e-49b1-a348-7931907258d6
                    And you wrote: "Likely work here pseudo-scientific journalist Spiegel, who does not understand anything in research and hangs pseudo-scientific noodles on the ears of those who are thirsty for exactly this and to hear."But it turned out ... wink
                    What about Phase XNUMX clinical trials and inconsistencies? It smacks of fraud.

                    Quote: Strannik96

                    Once on the line, Tsar Nikolai approached a soldier who looked sloppy and asked, what is your name: he answered Nikolai. Then the king said to him: you either put yourself in order or change your name. So it is with you - either you need to change your nickname or put yourself in order

                    Leave your smart advice to yourself. I'll deal with my nickname myself.
                    1. sevtrash
                      sevtrash 12 February 2021 00: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Bereits im September hatten rund 40 Experten um den bekannten Molekularbiologen Enrico Bucci, der in Italien ein Institut für wissenschaftliche Integrität namens Resis leitet, die russische Datenlage kritisiert. Sie hatten damals vor allem auf die auffälligen Dopplungen in Diagrammen der Veröffentlichung hingewiesen.
                      https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/corona-impfstoff-sputnik-v-aus-russland-in-der-kritik-zahlendreher-und-fehlende-daten-a-02f720be-f45e-49b1-a348-7931907258d6
                      And you wrote: "Most likely this is the work of the pseudo-scientific journalist Spiegel, who does not understand anything in research and hangs pseudo-scientific noodles on the ears of those who are eager to hear exactly this." But it turned out ...
                      What about Phase XNUMX clinical trials and inconsistencies? It smacks of fraud.

                      In the scientific environment, scientists, schools can have their own ideas, preferences, opinions about various things, events, which is good and contributes to the emergence of new knowledge. Opinions, judgments in the scientific community should be based on evidence, calculations, are presented in journals of the corresponding profile, whose articles are reviewed by leading experts, and the very publication in such a journal is a recognition of the quality of the article and work. The Lancet is one of the best known, oldest and most authoritative general medical journals, professional grade. Der Spiegel is an information and political journal that publishes opinions on various political issues, but it is ridiculous to consider it a source of professional medical knowledge.
                      This is the third time I have spoken about this difference, and it’s strange that you still don’t understand this, or pretend that you don’t understand. As well as the inclusion / exclusion criteria that can change the number of subjects in the work. You really need to think about your nickname, so modestly called yourself a "professor", but at the same time you do not see the difference between the magazines.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 12 February 2021 16: 42
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        In the scientific environment, scientists, schools can have their own ideas, preferences, opinions about different things, events, which is good and contributes to the emergence of new knowledge. Opinions, judgments in the scientific community should be based on evidence, calculations, are presented in journals of the corresponding profile, whose articles are reviewed by leading experts, and the very publication in such a journal is a recognition of the quality of the article and work.

                        Are you citing Peskov? Recognition of the quality of work is not a controversial article with a mass of inaccuracies and fraud, but a queue of clients wishing to purchase the vaccine and millions of vaccinated around the world. The confession is 3,765,771 Israelis who were vaccinated with Faise and thousands of servings of Sputnik-5 in the Adass hospital who do not know where to shove as there are no people willing to be vaccinated.

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                        The Lancet is one of the best known, oldest and most authoritative general medical journals, professional grade. Der Spiegel is an information and political journal that publishes opinions on various political issues, but it is ridiculous to consider it a source of professional medical knowledge.

                        You argue with Enrico Bucci.

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                        This is the third time I have spoken about this difference, and it’s strange that you still don’t understand this, or pretend that you don’t understand. As well as the inclusion / exclusion criteria that can change the number of subjects in the work. You really need to think about your nickname, so modestly called yourself a "professor", but at the same time you do not see the difference between the magazines.

                        You can repeat this nonsense not three, but thousands of times. Nothing will change. Go and vaccinate yourself with a non-certified vaccine. Your right. I was inoculated by Faizer.
                      2. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 18 February 2021 21: 49
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Are you citing Peskov? Recognition of the quality of work is not a controversial article with a mass of inaccuracies and fraud, but a queue of clients wishing to purchase the vaccine and millions of vaccinated around the world.

                        I had a better opinion of you, possibly due to your nickname. It turned out that you are a professor only by nickname, arguing on medical topics and putting an information and political journal above a professional peer-reviewed publication is strange, to put it mildly.

                        Quote: Professor
                        You argue with Enrico Bucci.

                        Well, here's a whole institute, Italian, and, moreover, has such an opinion -
                        "... The Italian Institute of Infectious Diseases named after Lazzaro Spallanzani gave a positive opinion on the Russian vaccine against coronavirus Sputnik V." The vaccine is more than 92 percent effective, and it is absolutely safe, "said the head of the medical institution, Professor Francesco Vaya, on the first channel of state television "RAI." He explained that such a conclusion was made by scientists on the basis of their own research of data on the Russian drug ... "

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                        You can repeat this nonsense not three, but thousands of times. Nothing will change. Go and vaccinate yourself with a non-certified vaccine. Your right. I was inoculated by Faizer.

                        Well grafted and grafted. This does not mean that other vaccines are bad.
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 18 February 2021 22: 30
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        The Italian Institute of Infectious Diseases named after Lazzaro Spallanzani gave a positive opinion on the Russian vaccine against coronavirus Sputnik V.

                        Wouldn't it be difficult to link directly to the original interview? ... not a free retelling
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 19 February 2021 08: 28
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        I had a better opinion of you, possibly due to your nickname. It turned out that you are a professor only by nickname, arguing on medical topics and putting an information and political journal above a professional peer-reviewed publication is strange, to put it mildly.

                        Discussing a nickname is the last thing. In the superduper article of the scientific journal itself, there are obvious blunders or falsifications with data. This is a scientific fact.

                        https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general
                        In Israel, Faizer were vaccinated 4,219,149. Not about 4 million, but 4,219,149... The satellite has never received a permit and is rotting in Adass, as all the data from clinical trials have not yet been submitted to the request of the Israeli Ministry of Health. This is a scientific fact.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Well, here's a whole institute, Italian, and, moreover, has such an opinion -
                        "... The Italian Institute of Infectious Diseases named after Lazzaro Spallanzani gave a positive opinion on the Russian vaccine against coronavirus Sputnik V." The vaccine is more than 92 percent effective, and it is absolutely safe, "said the head of the medical institution, Professor Francesco Vaya, on the first channel of state television "RAI." He explained that such a conclusion was made by scientists on the basis of their own research of data on the Russian drug ... "

                        Link to the professor in the studio. Especially interesting about 92%.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Well grafted and grafted. This does not mean that other vaccines are bad.

                        You yourself got used to the Sputnik?
                        Where is the data on Sputnik's performance from clients? Faizerovies here: https://www.vesty.co.il/main/article/HJ8Om11w11d
                      5. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 19 February 2021 22: 06
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Discussing a nickname is the last thing. In the superduper article of the scientific journal itself, there are obvious blunders or falsifications with data. This is a scientific fact.

                        Your very phrase "... a super-duper article of the scientific journal itself ..." sounds offensive to the Lancet magazine, which is extremely respected in the professional environment, and to its readers, too, on the other hand, shows the level of knowledge of the one who allows such expressions. Do not disgrace nickname.
                        Quote: Professor
                        The satellite has never received a permit and is rotting in Adass, as all the data from clinical trials have not yet been submitted to the request of the Israeli Ministry of Health. This is a scientific fact.

                        So give Sputnik to others, if Israel really has one. In Bloomberg, there is no indication of Israel's purchase of Sputnik on vaccine contracts. Scientific fact, in your words. Or is Bloomberg not an argument either? Can you provide a direct link where it lies?
                        Quote: Professor
                        Link to the professor in the studio. Especially interesting about 92%.

                        RAI, Lancet
                        Quote: Professor
                        Where is the data on the performance of Sputnik from clients?

                        It's like - a scientific fact?
                      6. Liam
                        Liam 19 February 2021 22: 33
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                        RAI

                        This is not a link. Or you are having difficulties with it

                        The effectiveness of the vaccine is more than 92 percent, and it is absolutely safe, "said the head of the medical institution, Professor Francesco Vaya, on the air of the first channel of the state television" RAI ". He explained that such a conclusion was made by scientists based on the results of their own research of data on the Russian drug ... "
                        This is not even nonsense. What scientists? Who did it? Based on what data?
                        Such a vaccine study can only be carried out by the regulator, in this case the EMA. Has Russia generally applied to the EMA for permission? Provided all the required data? Including primary original documents of all phases of trials. This in Lancet can only provide "squeeze" at its own discretion for publication. The regulator must provide the full original data set.
                        Perhaps that is why the developers have not even applied to the EMA for permission to register. Here is the official statement of the EMA in this regard from 10.02.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX

                        Scienza e farmaci

                        Covid. Ema sul vaccino russo Sputnik V: “Non abbiamo ricevuto domanda di rolling review o Aic
                        http://www.quotidianosanita.it/m/scienza-e-farmaci/articolo.php?articolo_id=92405
                      7. Professor
                        Professor 20 February 2021 08: 26
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                        Your very phrase "... a super-duper article of the scientific journal itself ..." sounds offensive to the Lancet magazine, which is extremely respected in the professional environment, and to its readers, too, on the other hand, shows the level of knowledge of the one who allows such expressions. Do not disgrace nickname.

                        This is not a holy Bible, but just a scientific journal where mere mortals share their OPINIONS. In this case, the magazine published an article with inaccuracies or fraud.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        So give Sputnik to others, if Israel really has one. In Bloomberg, there is no indication of Israel's purchase of Sputnik on vaccine contracts. Scientific fact, in your words. Or is Bloomberg not an argument either? Can you provide a direct link where it lies?

                        We are trying to give away this Satellite, but so far there are no people willing to get it for free. Maybe the people of Fylysty want it.
                        I haven't read Bloomberg, but he's right. The state of Israel did not purchase the vaccine. As I wrote it was ordered by the Adasa hospital.
                        https://www.svoboda.org/a/30981744.html
                        Among the countries that, as follows from the headlines of the Russian media, have already ordered Sputnik V, there is Israel. From the text of the messages, however, it follows that 1,5 million doses of the vaccine were ordered not by the government of the country, but by the private clinic "Adasa Ein-Kerem", which has a branch in Skolkovo and participated in clinical studies of "Sputnik". Despite the fact that the issue of a possible purchase of a Russian vaccine was discussed during a telephone conversation between Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Ministry of Health has not issued permission for its use for two weeks.

                        According to Rothstein, the Russian vaccine bought by his clinic "will eventually be received by the Palestinian Authority, not the citizens of Israel."

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        RAI, Lancet

                        Link to the professor in the studio. Especially interesting about 92%.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        It's like - a scientific fact?

                        The most scientific in the world. It is called "Statistics of the effectiveness of the vaccine in its mass use." Where is the data?

                        You yourself got used to the Sputnik?
                      8. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 20 February 2021 09: 38
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                        Quote: Professor
                        This is not a holy Bible, but just a scientific journal where mere mortals share their OPINIONS. In this case, the magazine published an article with inaccuracies or fraud.

                        Once again for the so-called "professor")). All over the world - all over the world Karl !! - the modern standard of research that determine the effectiveness of a particular drug is double-blind randomized trials. This is the gold standard. The results are sent to print in peer-reviewed professional / medical journals where the reviewers are professionals in the field !! - analyze the quality of research, statistical data and methods used above all. One of the most respected professional peer-reviewed medical journals is the Lancet. The publication of a work in a journal of this level is a recognition of its high quality at the professional international medical level. And 92% efficiency too. Nothing else is worth it. As well as Spiegel - which is never a professional peer-reviewed journal, as well as someone's opinions. There is a study carried out according to world standards, there is its result, there is a publication in a highly rated medical professional journal. Now there is nothing else to challenge the Sputnik results on a professional level. Nothing Karl !! In addition to all sorts of puffs, which have near-zero evidentiary value.
                        I think this should be clear even for a child of primary school age. And if this "professor" does not know or does not understand - this is the guard. Change your nickname, do not dishonor the respected title.

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                        You yourself got used to the Sputnik?

                        Why are you addicted to vaccination? Firstly, I have been ill already, and secondly - I would have - got vaccinated. Not all countries can create a vaccine. Well, or outbid it, like Israel.
                      9. Professor
                        Professor 20 February 2021 10: 24
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Once again for the so-called "professor")).

                        You don't need so many letters. You write why, until now, the competent authorities have not provided ALL the data necessary for the registration of a vaccine?

                        You never provided a link for 92%

                        You have not explained the non-docking data in this holy edition.

                        We are waiting.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Why are you addicted to vaccination? Firstly, I have been ill already, and secondly - I would have - got vaccinated. Not all countries can create a vaccine. Well, or outbid it, like Israel.

                        That is, you yourself have not been vaccinated with the best in the world Sputnik vaccination, but drown for it with both hands?

                        Yes, not all countries are able to create a vaccine by passing all stages of clinical trials. This is what we are conducting our sweet conversation about.

                        At that time, 4,250,643 people took root in Israel.
                      10. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 20 February 2021 12: 23
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                        Quote: Professor
                        You don't need so many letters. You write why, until now, the competent authorities have not provided ALL the data necessary for the registration of a vaccine? You have not provided a 92% link. You have not explained the non-docking data in this holy edition. We are waiting.

                        For me, as evidence and the effectiveness of the Sputnik, publication in the highly rated competent professional medical journal Lancete is quite enough. Like the vast majority of reasonably thinking people, including specialists in this topic. Why - I have repeatedly explained above.
                        If you do not want, you cannot accept the status quo - your problems.
                        "... The published data are reliable and accurate and have been reviewed by five reviewers of The Lancet, the full-length clinical protocol was submitted to the editorial office of the journal. We presented exactly the data that we received, and not those that should be liked by Italian experts ..."
                        "... The Lancet published a more detailed response from the vaccine developers to the criticism. The response provided answers to questions from the group of scientists, including it was indicated that the identified matches, especially in those close to the original and initial values, were related with discrete data (the obtained values ​​were not accurate, but in the form of ranges, which significantly increases the likelihood of matches), as well as with a small number of participants in the groups ... "
                        "... On December 21, 2020, Pascal Sorio, CEO of the pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca, during a videoconference on the occasion of the signing of a cooperation agreement with the Gamaleya Center, RDIF and the Russian pharmaceutical company R-Pharm," said: "I would like to congratulate Russian scientists from the institute Gamalea, as well as RDIF with the development of the world's first vaccine against COVID-19, which recently demonstrated not only an immune response, but also an efficacy, protection against hospitalization. And [regulatory] approval was certainly an important milestone for this vaccine .. . "
                        "... Nobel Prize winner in Physiology or Medicine Peter Docherty noted that" The effectiveness of the Sputnik V vaccine - more than 90% looks great, and besides, Russia has a long history of developing good vaccines ... "
                        "... Stanford University Medical Center infectious disease specialist Dean Winslow believes Sputnik V will play an important role in the global fight against the pandemic ..."
                      11. Professor
                        Professor 20 February 2021 13: 57
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        For me, as evidence and the effectiveness of the Sputnik, publication in the highly rated competent professional medical journal Lancete is quite enough. Like the vast majority of reasonably thinking people, including specialists in this topic. Why - I have repeatedly explained above.

                        Not. Recognition of a vaccine is not a publication with inaccuracies in a scientific journal, but the registration of the vaccine by the RESPONSIBLE authorities. Israel has also developed a vaccine, and as a Russian vaccine, it has not passed ALL stages of clinical trials (has not yet passed). And only when it passes ALL stages, we will shout at every corner about the ability of our country to create a vaccine. While she, like the Satellite, is in DEVELOPMENT. however, unlike you, no one here dares to start vaccinating the population with a vaccine that has not passed ALL stages of clinical trials and received registration of RESPONSIBLE bodies, and NOT all scientific journals in the world. These magazines are not legally responsible. Read what they have on their site written in small print. The type of publication is not responsible and all responsibility is solely on the authors.

                        You write why, until now, the competent authorities have not provided ALL the data necessary for the registration of a vaccine?

                        You never provided a link for 92%

                        You have not explained the non-docking data in this holy edition.

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                        Are you reading carefully, "professor"? I pointed out above, well, we do not have a vaccine - neither Sputnik nor the other.

                        I read, I read. It turns out that for your citizens you do not have a miracle vaccine, but for export, please.
                        Europeans are at a loss.

                        Vaccinated Faizers produce more antibodies than those who have had covid. In Israel, they are going to vaccinate all those who have been ill.

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                        Actually, "professor", the vaccine is made before testing. Not after.

                        Well then, I also created the Covid vaccine in the kitchen. True, I have not tested it yet, but in your opinion it is secondary. Let's not bother with the fact that trials are proof of a vaccine.

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                        I am glad for your country. Seriously. Although they could not create a vaccine, they bought it successfully. In Russia, on the contrary, one of the best vaccines was created, but production is insufficient.

                        As I wrote above, Israel created a vaccine just like you, but our people are primitive and not conscious. Then the creators and the government will be dragged into the courts if something goes wrong and until there is IRON evidence of the successful completion of ALL stages of clinical trials, no one will even think of not only vaccinating the population, but even declaring "we have created a vaccine." Well stupid. fellow
                      12. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 21 February 2021 20: 53
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                        Quote: Professor
                        You write why, until now, the competent authorities have not provided ALL the data necessary for the registration of a vaccine?

                        I do not work with the "competent authorities" and do not work in them either, you need you to the "authorities" and contact. To me and not only me, the information in the Lancet means much more than anything else. Because this is the result of a double-blind, randomized trial in a professional peer-reviewed journal. Although you are not given to understand this, even though for a professor it is nonsense True, you are not a professor, but a "professor". With all due respect, but such an attitude to the modern standard of research says that you do not understand anything about this or, for some reason, ignore it and it is not cured.
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                        I read, I read. It turns out that for your citizens you do not have a miracle vaccine, but for export, please.

                        Politics, be it wrong. But it's better than killing scientists in other countries anyway.
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                        Let's not bother with the fact that trials are proof of a vaccine.

                        What nonsense to write, "professor". The effectiveness is confirmed and shown by tests. Do you understand the difference, "professor"? Probably not.
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                        As I wrote above, Israel created a vaccine just like you, but our people are primitive and not conscious. Then the creators and the government will be dragged into the courts if something goes wrong and until there is IRON evidence of the successful completion of ALL stages of clinical trials, no one will even think not to vaccinate the population, but even to declare "we have created a vaccine."

                        Yes of course. Nobody knows about her, really. And yes, it's easier for you to sell weapons. Then the tests are easier and they will not complain. No one, because. Kills your weapon. And the vaccine saves. Russian, including, as one of the most effective.
                      13. Professor
                        Professor 22 February 2021 08: 41
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                        I do not work with the "competent authorities" and do not work in them either, you need you to the "authorities" and contact. To me and not only me, the information in the Lancet means much more than anything else. Because this is the result of a double-blind, randomized trial in a professional peer-reviewed journal. Although you are not given to understand this, even though for a professor it is nonsense True, you are not a professor, but a "professor". With all due respect, but such an attitude to the modern standard of research says that you do not understand anything about this or, for some reason, ignore it and it is not cured.

                        If for you a publication with inaccuracies in a scientific journal is more important than the official registration of a medicine by the responsible competent authorities, then I cannot understand you. When you buy a medicine at a pharmacy, you are interested in whether it is approved for use by the Ministry of Health or is there a publication about it in a scientific journal? A rhetorical question. Will you sue the magazine if the drug causes harm?
                        Although I am a "professor", I have scientific publications. Including prestigious magazines. For example "Aplide Optics" and I know all this cuisine well. Any magazine is full of "no" articles. What can you do if geniuses are few?

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Politics, be it wrong. But it's better than killing scientists in other countries anyway.

                        Or poison their own and other people's citizens with chemical warfare agents. If she's wrong this policy.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        What nonsense to write, "professor". The effectiveness is confirmed and shown by tests. Do you understand the difference, "professor"? Probably not.

                        Due to my academic and professional activities, I constantly conduct tests which are an integral part of the development of a new product. The product does not exist until the SUCCESSFUL completion of all testing phases. There is a "sample" or "prototype". Thus, my "professor" vaccine for Covid, which I created the first in the universe, has not yet been tested. But in your opinion it doesn't matter. lol

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Yes of course. Nobody knows about her, really. And yes, it's easier for you to sell weapons. Then the tests are easier and they will not complain. No one, because. Kills your weapon. And the vaccine saves. Russian, including, as one of the most effective.

                        If you do not know and have not written about it on your TV, this does not mean that Israel has not created a vaccine against Covid.
                        03.03.2020 12:52
                        Israeli scientists have created a vaccine against coronavirus
                        https://rg.ru/2020/03/03/izrailskie-uchenye-sozdali-vakcinu-protiv-koronavirusa.html
                      14. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 22 February 2021 15: 38
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Any magazine is full of "no" articles.

                        It depends on what
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                        Or poison their own and foreign citizens with chemical warfare agents.

                        Some strange poisoning. Like a terrible poisonous substance that should kill, in fact - no. Those people who have no sense to persecute. Although the most "poisoned" did good - before that they had already forgotten about him, and so - again in the subject.
                        Quote: Professor
                        until the end of all stages of testing the product does not exist

                        There is no drug, but tests are in progress. And what are they experiencing? An idea, or what? A new word in drug production technology)))
                        Quote: Professor
                        If you do not know and have not written about it on your TV, this does not mean that Israel has not created a vaccine against Covid.

                        And where is the article in the Lancet about this? While there is no article - this is means - no vaccine))
                      15. Professor
                        Professor 22 February 2021 17: 05
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        It depends on what

                        Only bible saint (well, the Koran is for amateurs), the rest of the man-made editions are full of "no" flocks, and those, in turn, are full of inaccuracies, inaccuracies and fraud. The authors' vanity is to blame.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Some strange poisoning. Like a terrible poisonous substance that should kill, in fact - no. Those people who have no sense to persecute. Although the most "poisoned" did good - before that they had already forgotten about him, and so - again in the subject.

                        Wry-handed poisoners are not capable of effective action. The target survived, and the collateral victims could not be avoided. And all because they should be engaged in any business professionals... Such as, for example, paramedics in a provincial Russian city.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        There is no drug, but tests are in progress. And what are they experiencing? An idea, or what? A new word in drug production technology)))

                        Different things are tested at different stages, but only based on the test results can the existence of a product be declared. And now I have a perpetual motion machine on my table. Where is my Nobel Prize? It remains only to experience it. lol

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        And where is the article in the Lancet about this? While there is no article - this means - there is no vaccine))

                        We just decided not to embarrass ourselves and not publish an article about a drug that was not yet completed, otherwise we could have announced the "first vaccine" in May.
                        https://www.gazeta.ru/science/news/2020/05/05/n_14381275.shtml
                      16. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 22 February 2021 23: 27
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Only the Holy Bible (well, and the Koran for lovers)

                        You are clearly not a scientist. There are no dogmas for scientists. Well, almost not))
                        Quote: Professor
                        And all because professionals should be engaged in any business. Such as, for example, paramedics in a provincial Russian city.

                        Why go to the outback? Better to Israel. And why is it trifling, some kind of poisons. Take a bigger club and hit. You can remove the wrong ones with a rocket, UAV, remotely controlled machine gun. Or bomb a nuclear reactor in a foreign country, no matter what. The main thing is to have a big friend behind your back. With a big, big club.
                        Quote: Professor
                        but only on the basis of test results can the existence of a product be claimed. And now I have a perpetual motion machine on my table. Where is my Nobel Prize? It remains only to experience it.

                        After testing, you can declare whether the product works or not and with what efficiency, "professor". And first, create something to experience. It's strange that basic things have to be said)))
                        Quote: Professor
                        We just decided not to embarrass ourselves and not publish an article about the still unfinished drug

                        Well, right, what can we say about what is not there.
                      17. Professor
                        Professor 23 February 2021 08: 09
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        You are clearly not a scientist. There are no dogmas for scientists. Well, almost not))

                        Despite my degree, the only holy scripture is the Bible. The rest of the writing is hand-made. However, for you, holy scripture is a medical journal. You have not explained the reason for the identified discrepancies or fraudulent figures.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Why go to the outback? Better to Israel. And why is it trifling, some kind of poisons. Take a bigger club and hit. You can remove the wrong ones with a rocket, UAV, remotely controlled machine gun. Or bomb a nuclear reactor in a foreign country, no matter what. The main thing is to have a big friend behind your back. With a big, big club.

                        Not. The main thing is not to commit extrajudicial reprisals against your citizens and to act strictly within the law. hi

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        After testing, you can declare whether the product works or not and with what efficiency, "professor". And first, create something to experience. It's strange that basic things have to be said)))

                        Well then I created the Perpentum Mobile. I did not conduct tests, but in your opinion it is secondary. Where is my Nobel Prize?

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Well, right, what can we say about what is not there.

                        Just like the world's first vaccine Sputnik. There is an Israeli vaccine, and in your opinion it was the first in the world (I posted links to publications about this above), the tests are not yet completed. Like Sputnik. CEP. fellow
                        The whole difference is in PR. Some who are waiting for the end of the tests as required by the rules, but someone did not have enough patience and he speaks to the whole world about the best vaccine in the world. She is so good that your supreme refused to be grafted into her. fellow
                        Why doesn't he do it like that?
                      18. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 23 February 2021 12: 21
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Not. The main thing is not to commit extrajudicial reprisals against your citizens and to act strictly within the law.

                        The nuance is appreciated. You can't over your own. But over strangers it is possible. Actually, this is evident.
                        Quote: Professor
                        Well then I created the Perpentum Mobile. I did not conduct tests, but in your opinion it is secondary. Where is my Nobel Prize?

                        Don't mislead. I said that first they create a product, then they test its performance. Attached to the vaccine is effectiveness. Moreover, at the time of registration, the satellite passed part of the tests. This is if you "forgot". And then the second phase passed. So Sputnik completed the test. What the Lancet you did not like told about.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Just like the world's first vaccine Sputnik. There is an Israeli vaccine, and in your opinion it was the first in the world (I posted links to publications about this above), the tests are not yet completed. Like Sputnik. CEP.
                        The whole difference is in PR. Some who are waiting for the end of the tests as required by the rules, but someone did not have enough patience and he speaks to the whole world about the best vaccine in the world. She is so good that your supreme refused to be grafted into her.

                        But the Lancet did not write about the Israeli vaccine. So the tests have not been carried out. And Bloomberg never wrote anything about her. So it is not)) And the photo of your prime minister is certainly not with this mythical Israeli vaccine, but with a pfizer, which was developed by the Germans.
                        And if about Putin, I strongly doubt that he was scared. Some contraindications, most likely.
                      19. Professor
                        Professor 23 February 2021 14: 19
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        The nuance is appreciated. You can't over your own. But over strangers it is possible. Actually, this is evident.

                        Of course. You must protect your citizens in every possible way. This is the direct responsibility of the state. Is this news to you?

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Don't mislead. I said that first they create a product, then they test its performance. Attached to the vaccine is effectiveness. Moreover, at the time of registration, the satellite passed part of the tests. This is if you "forgot". And then the second phase passed. So Sputnik completed the test. What the Lancet you did not like told about.

                        The same situation with my Perpetual motion machine. In the first phase of testing, the battery simply drove the electric motor. The battery lasted for 46 minutes. In the second phase of testing, I connected a generator to the circuit, which was driven by the same electric motor and was connected to the battery charging it. The battery lasted for 53 minutes. On the face of the invention of the Perpetual motion machine. It's silly to argue with that. I decided not to carry out the third stage of testing until I received the Nobel Prize. Why am I worse than Sputnik developers? wink

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        But the Lancet did not write about the Israeli vaccine. So the tests have not been carried out.

                        Not. we just didn’t pay the editorial office for publication and are waiting for the results of the third phase of clinical trials.

                        By the way, what did the Lancet write about the Faizer vaccine? About Chinese? About British? About modena? I guessed-"So the tests have not been carried out"and we are vaccinated with untested vaccines. Oh ... They test it on us. wassat

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        And Bloomberg never wrote anything about her. So it is not)) And the photo of your prime minister is certainly not with this mythical Israeli vaccine, but with a pfizer, which was developed by the Germans.

                        Now you have already started checking Bloomberg. So go down to DerSpiegel, although you wrote above that these are not specialized publications. They wrote about our vaccine https://www.gazeta.ru/science

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                        And if about Putin, I strongly doubt that he was scared. Some contraindications, most likely.

                        There is no need to slander the young and cheerful leader of the nation. He cannot have health problems and, accordingly, contraindications.
                        Again, by the way, since Sputnik is registered and tested, the list of contraindications can be found in the public domain (like a Faizer). Will you throw off the link?
                      20. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 23 February 2021 16: 42
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Is this news for you?

                        That Israel is killing citizens of other countries is not new, of course. Even the Armenians showed the effectiveness of their technique. What can we say about all the Arabs, Persians, and indeed, there is only one nation, it’s correct. Am I interpreting it correctly?

                        Quote: Professor
                        Not. we just didn’t pay the editorial office for publication and are waiting for the results of the third phase of clinical trials.
                        By the way, what did the Lancet write about the Faizer vaccine? About Chinese? About British? About modena? I guessed- "So the tests were not carried out" and we are vaccinated with untested vaccines. Oh ... They test it on us

                        "Professor", well, learn to collect information already! The vaccine BNT162b2 (in common parlance Pfizer), a German development (with the participation of American and Chinese manufacturers) has not yet completed 3 stages of testing. The expected time for the first results is August 2021, the final results are generally 2023. Just savagery for a professor, however, for a "professor" is expected.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Now you have already started checking Bloomberg. So go down to DerSpiegel, although you wrote above that these are not specialized publications. They wrote about our vaccine https://www.gazeta.ru/science

                        Found in the wiki, at 49th place in the list of Israeli vaccine candidates, somewhere between the vaccines of Cuba, Indonesia, Thailand))). In Russia, two vaccines have already completed 2 phases (Sputnik partially 3), 2 more vaccines are in the candidates.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Again, by the way, since Sputnik is registered and tested, the list of contraindications can be found in the public domain (like a Faizer). Will you throw off the link?

                        "Professor", well, you can't be so stupid! A few seconds and contraindications for vaccination with Gam-COVID-Vak in the document of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation on your screen. If you are so helpless - here's the link https://static-0.minzdrav.gov.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/053/957/original/1-%D0%B8-1-155.pdf?1611062698
                        On page 7, "professor" if you are not able to find yourself.
                        Change your nickname !! Well, such helplessness, ignorance and all that stuff))) You can't mock the title of professor like that! Nightmare))
                      21. Professor
                        Professor 23 February 2021 17: 36
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                        Quote: sevtrash
                        That Israel is killing citizens of other countries is not new, of course. Even the Armenians showed the effectiveness of their technique. What can we say about all the Arabs, Persians, and indeed, there is only one nation, it’s correct. Am I interpreting it correctly?

                        Any normal state is obliged to take care of its citizens and eliminate the threat to the life of its citizens. This is normal.
                        There are no wrong nations.

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        "Professor", well, learn to collect information already! The vaccine BNT162b2 (in common parlance Pfizer), a German development (with the participation of American and Chinese manufacturers) has not yet completed 3 stages of testing. The expected time for the first results is August 2021, the final results are generally 2023. Just savagery for a professor, however, for a "professor" is expected.

                        Yes? EfDiH issued permission to the Faizer based on the third phase of clinical trials. Who is lying?
                        By the way, what did the Lancet write about the Faizer vaccine? About Chinese? About British? About modena?

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        Found in the wiki, at 49th place in the list of Israeli vaccine candidates, somewhere between the vaccines of Cuba, Indonesia, Thailand))). In Russia, two vaccines have already completed 2 phases (Sputnik partially 3), 2 more vaccines are in the candidates.

                        In no place at all. We are vaccinated by Faizer and a few weeks later by Modedona, as they, unlike the Israeli and Russian vaccines, have passed ALL phases of clinical trials. When the Israeli vaccine arrives, we will have no one to vaccinate. Nevertheless, they wrote about our vaccine a year ago at https://www.gazeta.ru/science

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        "Professor", well, you can't be so stupid! A few seconds and contraindications for vaccination with Gam-COVID-Vak in the document of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation on your screen. If you are so helpless - here's the link https://static-0.minzdrav.gov.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/053/957/original/1-%D0%B8-1-155.pdf?1611062698
                        On page 7, "professor" if you are not able to find yourself.

                        I am delighted with Sputnik. This is a unique vaccine with minimal contraindications. I urgently run to be vaccinated with a Satellite
                        Contraindications for use are:
                        - hypersensitivity to any component of a vaccine or a vaccine containing similar components;
                        - a history of severe allergic reactions;
                        - acute infectious and non-infectious diseases, exacerbation of chronic diseases - vaccination is carried out 2-4 weeks after recovery or remission. For mild ARVI, acute infectious diseases of the gastrointestinal tract, vaccination is carried out after the temperature has returned to normal;
                        - pregnancy and the period of breastfeeding;
                        - age up to 18 years (due to lack of data on efficacy and safety).
                        Contraindications for the introduction of component II:
                        - severe post-vaccination complications (anaphylactic shock, severe generalized allergic reactions, convulsive syndrome, temperatures above 40 ° C, etc.) for the introduction of component I of the vaccine.

                        Whether Faizer:
                        https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
                        These idiots poured contraindications.

                        So why didn't the Supreme get grafted with the Satellite? He said that it was not recommended at his age, but in official contraindications this age is "up to 18 years old." I'm all at a loss. wink

                        Quote: sevtrash
                        On page 7, "professor" if you are not able to find yourself.
                        Change your nickname !! Well, such helplessness, ignorance and all that stuff))) You can't mock the title of professor like that! Nightmare))

                        I will definitely change. Here I will receive my well-deserved Nobel Prize for the invention of Perpento Mobile and change.

                        All the best. You. You have amused me. hi
                      22. sevtrash
                        sevtrash 23 February 2021 22: 14
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                        Quote: Professor
                        All the best. You. You have amused me.

                        And you me)) Voinovich about Chonkin has a little about dialogues. Somewhere somehow you can try on.

                        Quote: Professor
                        Here I will receive my well-deserved Nobel Prize for the invention of Perpento Mobile and change.

                        Until they publish in the Lancet, I won't believe it))
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 20 February 2021 12: 31
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    Quote: Professor
    That is, you yourself have not been vaccinated with the best in the world Sputnik vaccination, but drown for it with both hands?

    Are you reading carefully, "professor"? I pointed out above, well, we do not have a vaccine - neither Sputnik nor the other.

    Quote: Professor
    Yes, not all countries are able to create a vaccine by going through all stages of clinical trials. This is what we are conducting our sweet conversation about.

    Actually, "professor", the vaccine is made before testing. Not after.

    Quote: Professor
    At that time, 4,250,643 people took root in Israel.

    I am glad for your country. Seriously. Although they could not create a vaccine, they bought it successfully. In Russia, on the contrary, one of the best vaccines was created, but production is insufficient.
  • Liam
    Liam 19 February 2021 22: 54
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    Quote: Professor
    You yourself got used to the Sputnik?
    Where is the data on the performance of Sputnik from clients?


    European Union surprised by Russia's vaccination strategy
    17.02.2021

    The EU wonders why Russia is offering other countries millions of doses of Sputnik V vaccine, although it has not made enough progress in vaccinating its own population.
    Russia's COVID-19 vaccination strategy is perplexing, said Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission. "We are still wondering why Russia theoretically offers other countries millions of doses (of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine. - Ed.), But at the same time has not made sufficient progress in vaccinating its own population," von der Leyen explained, speaking in Brussels Wednesday, February 17th.

    “This is a question to which an answer must be given,” stressed the President of the European Commission. She recalled that the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has not yet received an application for registration of "Sputnik V", and for its filing it is necessary to provide a "complete data package".

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/ru/evrosojuz-udivlen-strategiej-rossii-po-vakcinacii/a-56600614
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 20 February 2021 09: 44
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    Quote: Liam
    The EU wonders why Russia is offering other countries millions of doses of Sputnik V vaccine, although it has not made enough progress in vaccinating its own population.

    I mentioned the insufficient level of vaccine production in Russia in the first comment in this article. With numbers, and, first, look.
    What does the effectiveness of the vaccine have to do with it? There is a publication of a double-blind randomized trial in the Lancet with an indicated efficiency of 92%. The gold standard of research, everything else compared to that is about nothing.
  • Strannik96
    Strannik96 11 February 2021 20: 53
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    [quote = РїСЂРѕС „ессор]
    Once on the line, Tsar Nikolai approached a soldier who looked sloppy and asked, what is your name: he answered Nikolai. Then the king said to him: you either put yourself in order or change your name. So it is with you - either you need to change your nickname or put yourself in order
  • would
    would 12 February 2021 05: 56
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    It's true. The West was shocked by the fact that an unregistered vaccine that had not passed all stages of testing began to be widely used in humans.


    1. The vaccine is registered.
    2. Not a single modern vaccine against COVID19 has passed "all stages of testing", including the recently scandalous Pfizer at least twice all over the world. But somehow you did not write about the scandal when the five-dose vials began to be sold as six-dose vials (from where the sixth dose can only be obtained by saving heavily and using special syringes that are in short supply). As well as the EMA scandal


    For example, European Commissioner for Health Stella Kyriakides suggested using vaccines bypassing national procedures for their certification (this is mentioned in the correspondence of November 12).

    The EMA's three "main objections" to the vaccine were that not all facilities that produce them have been tested; there were no data on commercial lots of vaccine, and the lots used in clinical trials were qualitatively different from commercial lots of vaccine. It was this last moment that apparently worried EMA specialists the most, the newspaper writes. "These issues are considered critical, especially in the context of the novelty of this type of product and limited experience," - indicated in a screenshot of one of the letters to manufacturers, dated November 30, 2020.


    But in your opinion, this did not "shake the West."

    3. Sputnik V was purchased by those countries that do not fall under the influence of the EU and the US and, accordingly, do not support their manufacturers. You perfectly understand that, for example, the United States will not buy a Chinese vaccine, no matter how good it is, and Russia will not buy an American one. Politics is a concentrated expression of economics.

    And all this was written by me - a person who does not suffer from "leavened patriotism" and does not consider Sputnik V to be the best vaccine, as well as the vaccine against Pfizer. Moreover, I believe that the Pfizer vaccine may be the first step towards the massive use of mRNA vaccines. Absolutely all vaccines currently in use have problems because they were developed and allowed to be used in extreme haste, because they were needed at the beginning of 2020, now just no country has time for the classic development and testing period.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 9 February 2021 19: 09
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    Isn't that funny to them? Yes, they only do what they laugh
    all free time from work. They're only Hollywood
    so many laughs per year releases that half of the planet laughs to hiccups.
    And Metro Goldwyn adds the other half for them.
    1. agond
      agond 9 February 2021 19: 52
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      Quote: A. Privalov
      And there are answers to your questions:
      1. The vaccine is created quickly. However, registration and testing takes a long time.
      2. Vaccines cover a number of small mutations and will be sufficiently reliable and effective until some time. With the advent of new mutations, vaccines will either be corrected or new ones created. The crown, apparently, is with us for a long time. We will be vaccinated every year, as we do with the Flu.
      3. Viruses do not fly by themselves. They are carried mainly by airborne droplets with particles of mucus and saliva when coughing and sneezing. The mask protects from these particles.

      1 This is somehow very optimistic, until recently, the development of vaccines to fight new diseases took 10-15 years, a lot of time is spent on testing
      2 TV recently reported about a woman who was diagnosed with 18 variants of coronavirus at once, for comparison, a tick bite can infect 6 types of encephalitis, vaccinations are usually done from one and an analysis with a bite from one, less often from two, well, not from all six
      3 If an airborne particle settles on the mask, it means that it settles on the mask and the virus contained in the virus accumulates more and more with each breath, because we do not change the mask after each breath
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 9 February 2021 21: 30
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        Quote: agond
        If an airborne particle settles on the mask, it means that the virus contained in the mask also settles


        And if you don't wear a mask, the virus will settle inside you.
  • Motor depot
    Motor depot 9 February 2021 19: 29
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    When the money was distributed, then it was recognized.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 9 February 2021 20: 34
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    The battle of vaccines ... It's always interesting in the Russian-speaking segment. Russia has not lost ground on the issue of creating drugs, vaccines and other military biochemistry, but its potential remains. They used it, this is not surprising at all. Implementation, marketing is always lame. If it were not for the political background, the desire to keep up with the West and state support would not exist.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 9 February 2021 20: 45
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    By the way ...
    "The 2020 Nobel Prize in Chemistry was awarded to Emmanuelle Charpentier and Jennifer Doudna for their advancement in CRISPR / Ca genome editing."
    1. agond
      agond 10 February 2021 08: 40
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      Quote: Eye of the Crying
      And if you don't wear a mask, the virus will settle inside you.

      The concentration of the virus on the mask is dozens of times higher than the "natural background", the mask turns into a kind of accumulator of dust, bacteria, viruses, the infected person sneezes and leaves, or you move away, and the mask increases the likelihood of infection, or you need to change it very often, more often than we do. do.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 10 February 2021 13: 03
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        Quote: agond
        The concentration of the virus on the mask is ten times higher than the "natural background"


        If you wear it for a day without changing. And, again, if you missed it the last time: without the mask, this "natural background" will be in your lungs.
  • 9PA
    9PA 10 February 2021 10: 08
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    Suspiciously quickly, we got a vaccine, isn't it our strain))
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 10 February 2021 13: 55
      +1
      Yes, this is your Ukrainian strain, you have already put so much of it on the carpets in front of your neighbors' carpets, now China will take over you too!
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 10 February 2021 13: 54
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    Sputnik V turned out to be not only a scientific world breakthrough, but a political one! For the fact that Russia provides its vaccine, opinions have already appeared to nominate Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize!