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Turkish attack drone Bayraktar Akinci ready for serial production

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Turkish attack drone Bayraktar Akinci ready for serial production

Turkey is preparing serial production of Acinci reconnaissance and strike drones. This was reported by the Turkish branch of CNN with reference to the statement of the technical director of Baykar Technologies, Selcuk Bayraktar.


According to a company representative, the drone has passed the necessary tests and is ready for mass production. Mass production of the new drone will begin in the near future, and the attack drone will enter service with the Turkish army by the end of 2021.

At the same time, Mahmut Aksit, director of the Turkish engine-building company TEI, said that Turkish PD-222 engines will be installed on the Akinci drone instead of the Ukrainian AI-450T engines currently standing.

Akıncı belongs to a new class of "heavy" drones. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters. The maximum take-off weight declared by the manufacturer is 4500 kg. In this case, the maximum payload mass is 1350 kg. The declared operating altitude is 30 thousand feet (approximately 9150 meters), the apparatus's service ceiling is 40 feet (approximately 000 meters), and it remains in the air for 12 hours. The drone can fly in fully automatic mode, land and take off on its own. Maximum speed - 200 km / h, cruising speed - 24 km / h.

The drone is equipped with an AFAR radar, six computers with artificial intelligence, a guidance system and six weapons suspension points with a total weight of 1350 kilograms.
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  1. Intruder
    Intruder 6 February 2021 15: 20
    +1
    wai, beautiful bird, who is interested;
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 6 February 2021 15: 30
      -22%
      statement by the technical director of Baykar Technologies Selcuk Bayraktar.
      Ah vain Turks however. The technique is called by its name.
      1. aars
        aars 6 February 2021 15: 31
        +19
        Quote: hirurg
        The technique is called by its name
        An, Tu, Yak ...
        1. hirurg
          hirurg 6 February 2021 15: 35
          -15%
          Well, not complete, an abbreviation. Yes, and called the decision of the party. And for reasons of secrecy ...
          1. vadim dok
            vadim dok 6 February 2021 16: 27
            +9
            Secrecy is when the name of the Queen was found ONLY after his death!
      2. vadim dok
        vadim dok 6 February 2021 16: 25
        +6
        And the USSR / RF are not at all like that, for example Tupolev, Ilyushin, Sukhoi ........
        1. hirurg
          hirurg 6 February 2021 17: 12
          -7
          Well nominated, good.
          And now I'll explain it on my fingers.
          Psychologically, the abbreviation and the proper name are very different.
          Vanity is one of my favorite sins (c)
          Example: Erdogan bought an S-400. I wanted to buy another set along with the technologies, but Russia refused.
          We know perfectly well that the S-400 needs protection.
          We'll offer them the Shell .. (Uh), but ..
          Let's call it Carapace ... (Erdogan)
          And the chances of selling it will increase.
          Because only Erdogan can shoot down Bayraktar.))))
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 18: 00
            +11
            You are carrying a blizzard. Sikorsky, Boeing, Lockheed and Martin, Tsesna, etc., etc. are all the names of the founders. They give their names to their products and are responsible for the quality with their names.
            1. hirurg
              hirurg 6 February 2021 18: 04
              -5
              I'm talking about this, but how to use it for your own purposes.
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 6 February 2021 21: 32
        -5
        The larger the Turkish drone, the louder it falls. bully
      4. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 7 February 2021 11: 02
        -3
        As you name the yacht, so it will float. In the sense of flying)))) only there are mostly show-offs. Almost all the "filling" is imported, and all of it, under the ban of the Washington Reich Chancellery)))
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 15: 36
      +2
      Use case with 10 kamikaze drones.
    3. figwam
      figwam 6 February 2021 15: 40
      +5
      Akinci will install Turkish PD-222 engines instead of the Ukrainian AI-450T engines currently standing.

      Huh, that this zrada!
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 6 February 2021 16: 41
        +7
        Well, that was obvious.
        Because TEI from the very beginning was developing its own engine for this UAV, and the Ukrainian one was required for testing and experimental series. Turks rely to the maximum on domestic producers.
        But deliveries of Ukrainian engines will still continue for some time, until the current contract is closed.
        And so, most likely, they will offer customers an option of two engines to choose from, and if they sell to Ukrainians, then there will be a plus in comparison with competitors, since the engine will be Ukrainian.
        1. molyr
          molyr 6 February 2021 17: 01
          -2
          how do they rely on their own people, if almost everything is assembled from imported components?
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 6 February 2021 18: 50
            +5
            The Turks to the maximum rely on an in-house manufacturer.

            The maximum of "own" does not mean 100% or even 70-80% (although here from time to time), it means that they take only what there are no corresponding analogues of local production.
        2. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 7 February 2021 11: 03
          -1
          AI - 450 will not be delivered. The order for 20 engines is completed and fffsseeee))) the owner forbade.
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 7 February 2021 12: 51
            -1
            Well, you say that the order is for 20, and 14 is delivered, at least in January such infa took place, I have not seen anything fresh yet.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 7 February 2021 18: 14
              -1
              It is possible that the remaining 6 will not be delivered anymore, the owner was very angry))) although the owner of the Oval Office has changed - options are possible.
  2. voronkin
    voronkin 6 February 2021 15: 21
    -9
    In Karabakh, they have been tested .. Is the element base clearly Israeli?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 February 2021 15: 41
      +10
      Quote: voronkin
      In Karabakh, they have been tested .. Is the element base clearly Israeli?

      No.
      1. T.Henks
        T.Henks 6 February 2021 18: 58
        0
        The price did not agree.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 6 February 2021 20: 29
          +5
          Quote: T.Henks
          The price did not agree.

          Since 2009, Israel and Turkey have not had military-technical contacts.
      2. voronkin
        voronkin 7 February 2021 13: 46
        0
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: voronkin
        In Karabakh, they have been tested .. Is the element base clearly Israeli?

        No.

        No, or no, yes? wassat wink
  3. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 6 February 2021 15: 25
    +13
    judging by the characteristics presented, it is a serious machine, but what about the reliability parameters, only combat use will clarify
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 February 2021 15: 30
      +10
      Quote: Ryaruav
      but how is it actually and the reliability parameters only combat use will clarify

      Judging by Erdogashi's habits, they may soon clarify
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 6 February 2021 15: 29
    +2
    Serious and very dangerous car
    a guidance system and six weapon suspension points with a total weight of 1350 kilograms.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 February 2021 15: 30
    -4
    An attack aircraft with a pilot with such characteristics sucks; the last century! But it's a miracle without a pilot it's like a wunderwaffe. That air defense can't shoot it down? How is it different from an airplane?
    1. aars
      aars 6 February 2021 15: 33
      +14
      Cheap stealth and lack of a pilot.
      As a kamikaze, you can use it and not really regret the plastic craft.
      1. ck9999999
        ck9999999 6 February 2021 18: 41
        +6
        No pilot on board - yes. With the rest - you can argue.
        1. 113262a
          113262a 6 February 2021 23: 56
          -3
          It is cheaper to train a martyr for one flight. The Japanese know!
    2. kventinasd
      kventinasd 6 February 2021 15: 42
      -18%
      Well, let the Turks at least rejoice in this, in the absence of their aircraft industry.
      For normal air defense, these drones do not present any problems.
      And our maize workers flew at such speeds back in the 60s.
      1. vadim dok
        vadim dok 6 February 2021 16: 32
        +3
        But at the same time, Turkish UAVs crumbled a lot of various equipment (including the Russian Federation), as well as people in Karabakh.
        1. Lannan Shi
          Lannan Shi 6 February 2021 17: 04
          +3
          Quote: vadim dok
          But at the same time, Turkish UAVs crumbled a lot of different equipment (including the Russian Federation)

          The NKR had neither adequate air defense nor aviation. And so ... These Turkish handicrafts remain in relative safety exactly as long as they are much cheaper than surface-to-air missiles, or air-to-air missiles that can reach them. And even then ... Only on the condition that the very missiles, albeit expensive, but with the approaching disposal date, or the enemy did not decide to spit on the questions of what and how much, did not accumulate in the warehouses. And if for me, then every complication of these UAVs makes them less suitable for real combat operations. yes Well, if we're not talking about the war against the beggars, who have the most powerful air defense - at the level of the ZU-23. yes
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 6 February 2021 23: 37
            +5
            Quote: Lannan Shi
            while they are much cheaper than surface-to-air missiles, or air-to-air missiles that can reach them
            If we talk about the economy, then the price of the rocket should be compared not with the target, but with the price of the object that it has been assigned to guard, and which can be damaged or destroyed if the rocket does not work / does not work well on the target. Jews spend Iron Dome missiles, roughly $ 40000 apiece, to shoot down makeshift rockets at a cost of $ 100 or more, because this makeshift missile can hit, say, a house and cause tens of thousands of damage, and a human life, in terms of insurance, can cost millions. but from the point of view of morality it is generally priceless.
            1. Lannan Shi
              Lannan Shi 7 February 2021 00: 40
              -1
              Quote: Nagan
              If we talk about the economy, then the price of the rocket should be compared not with the target, but with the price of the object,

              Does this somehow cancel out the fact that this wunderwolf, in fact, differs little from the Ju-87, designed almost a century ago? What dimensions, what flight characteristics. Being a huge and inhibitory krakozyabra. And in the area of ​​operation of both aviation and air defense, at least at the level of the 60s of the last century, this device will fly, exactly as long as the pilot or the operator of the air defense system is not tired of being lazy and decides to slam it.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 7 February 2021 01: 14
                +3
                in fact, little different from the Ju-87

                Did the Ju-87 have guided weapons?
                1. Revolver
                  Revolver 7 February 2021 04: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Did the Ju-87 have guided weapons?

                  Ju-87 was a guided weapon lol
                  And if, aside from jokes, the trained pilot of the Ju-87 was able to put a bomb from a steep dive into a tank or machine-gun trench. Precision weapons of those years. As long as the Messers were enough to clean the sky over their places of work, it was the horror of all fronts. But as soon as most of the fighters, moreover the best ones, were recalled to cover the Reich from the massive American bombings (somewhere in the middle of the Battle of Kursk), the "laptese" became a laughing stock, on which experienced pilots taught the yellow-horned pilots how to shoot down the Germans correctly. By the middle of 1944 "Stuks" were practically worn off, and more, at least in large quantities, were not used.
                2. Lannan Shi
                  Lannan Shi 7 February 2021 12: 38
                  -4
                  Quote: alexmach
                  Did the Ju-87 have guided weapons?

                  And what does the UO have to do with it? The UO can be stuck anywhere. At least for a balloon, at least for a galley. Which does not make galleys an alternative to frigates. It was about the carrier of the UO itself. And here the Turks wandered in the wrong place, as it seems to me. The discussed device is not so cheap as to spit on their losses, dozens of them. And too primitive to resist aviation and air defense. Dead end road, if for me.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 7 February 2021 13: 13
                    0
                    And what has the UO?

                    In the presence of a long-range and high-precision UO, there is no need to enter the short-range air defense coverage area. There is no need to carry out an "attack", there is even no need to carry ammunition with you. Just highlight the target, and the launch itself can be carried out by someone else. Or even just visually correct the art fire. And at the same time, the requirements for maneuverability and speed are reduced.
                    And then the Turks wandered in the wrong place, as it seems to me ... Dead-end road, if for me

                    Here, yes, an interesting question regarding the tactics of application. As for me, such a thing would make a good anti-MALE fighter. For shock missions, it really looks reddish, although even the KR-OTRK is predicted for him as a strike weapon.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 13: 23
                      -1
                      Quote: alexmach
                      KR-OTRK some as a strike weapon are prophesied.

                      This refers to the SOM cruise missile, the range of destruction is 200 km for the first versions. They talk about a version with a range of 500 km or more.

                      Another interesting weapon option is the Turkish analogue of the GBU-39



                      Well, naturally guided 250-500 kg JDAM bombs, a new version of MAM-L, AIM-9/120 V-V missiles, etc.
        2. kventinasd
          kventinasd 6 February 2021 18: 14
          -2
          Quote: vadim dok
          But at the same time, Turkish UAVs crumbled a lot of various equipment (including the Russian Federation), as well as people in Karabakh.

          I do not understand this bravado! They can only fight against a helpless enemy, but in a confrontation with an enemy with developed VKS, Turkish drones have exactly the same chances as a hare against a wolf. The Turks do not have a full cycle of UAV production, due to the complete dependence of the supply of components from Western suppliers.
        3. Israel
          Israel 6 February 2021 23: 55
          +8
          They crumbled where there was no air defense or an unorganized air defense, and real success was only in Karabakh, in Syria after the air defense was pulled up, Turkish drones began to fall, and not only did the video stream stop, so the Assad army successfully took back everything that have lost plus control over key roads.
          In Libya, it began not badly for Turkey, because, again, the opposite side was not ready, but then somewhere the whole fuse of the Turks disappeared along with the video from the UAV.

          What the Turks are doing took place in Israel and the United States (large slow attack UAVs) and still decided to rely on traditional aviation, because if the enemy has normal air defense, then the UAVs are ineffective.
          One of the trends in UAVs is stealthy reconnaissance drones capable of detecting targets, directing artillery, directing kamikaze drones, a lot of work is being done here both in Israel and in the United States, and it is on the verge of scientific progress. The second trend is a swarm of UAVs, but also small UAVs.
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 16: 56
      +5
      Quote: tralflot1832
      How is it different from an airplane?

      Flight duration. Akinchi flies a day, Aksungur 40-60 hours. Aircraft payload: radar, electronic warfare systems, sea and ground radars, missile bombs, etc. Low political and moral cost of loss, no need to train an expensive pilot. Low usage threshold, you can send where the manned aircraft is not allowed.
      1. Dread
        Dread 6 February 2021 21: 25
        -2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Flight duration. Akinchi flies a day, Aksungur 40-60 hours. Aircraft payload: radar, electronic warfare systems, sea and ground radars, missile bombs, etc.

        Not tired of posting commercials from the Internet and showing your illiteracy?
        What is the detection range of the onboard radar, its weight and the range of information transmission from the radar under interference conditions. What is the image intensifier of the UAV (judging by the latest data - more than 0,5 sq. M.). What is the range of action of small-sized UAV ammunition, their weight. And what is the maximum flight altitude of the UAV, depending on the load of weapons, and so on ... All this is not yet in favor of the UAV.
        Russia has a multi-echeloned air defense system,
        as well as the use of the latest air defense systems - the Buk-M3 and Pantsir-SM air defense systems, simply reduces the use of UAVs to zero ...
        About electronic warfare of UAVs - no need to write fables.
        However, the topic of UAVs in Russia is also developing and UAVs are being developed.
      2. bobba94
        bobba94 6 February 2021 22: 18
        0
        Several years ago I read a serious article about the training of military aviation pilots. I was surprised to read and therefore remembered that training for fighter pilots is cheaper than training for bomber pilots. I remembered that training for an F-16 pilot costs $ 5,5 million.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 22: 23
          +1
          Quote: bobba94
          I remembered that training for an F-16 pilot costs $ 5,5 million.

          More importantly, it takes a long time. In the United States, training a full-fledged fighter pilot takes 8-10 years. Ie 2 contracts. And not the fact that he will renew the contract. In civilian life, wages are higher and there is no risk.
      3. Runway
        Runway 6 February 2021 23: 36
        -2
        Please tell me the conditions for the takeoff of the drone. What is the takeoff run? With a ground cover, maybe?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 23: 38
          0
          I have no idea, there is no such information in the available sources.
          1. Runway
            Runway 7 February 2021 00: 24
            -1
            This is a criterion for the efficiency of the use of all UAVs. Accordingly, vulnerability (determination of bases). At An-2 - roughly 200 meters (from the ground / turf it can). The Turkish bird is close in weight / load, but the power of the engine and the wing area are? And the air temperature / breeze should also affect the size of the runway and the carrying capacity.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 00: 39
              +3
              For this class of UAVs, basing at the airfield is prescribed. They are expensive there will be few. With a range of 5000 km, Akinchi can fly from mainland Turkey to all theaters where they are present. And to London from New Delhi, and the Hussites will be able to bomb, even fly to sunny Magadan, although refueling will be needed back.
              1. lucul
                lucul 7 February 2021 00: 48
                -6
                Range of action 5000 km,

                What? Is the device only 5 tons in weight and 5 km of range? No, if the wing area there was still like a U-000, I would still believe it, but so ...
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 01: 13
                  +1
                  Boy, Akinchi's wingspan is only 3,8 meters shorter than the U-2A, but his dry weight is about 1,5-2 times less. This is a healthy colossus.

                  1. lucul
                    lucul 7 February 2021 06: 36
                    -4
                    Boy, Akinchi's wingspan is only 3,8 meters shorter than the U-2A, but his dry weight is about 1,5-2 times less. This is a healthy colossus.

                    And you can't tell from the photo (in the article).
                    Akinchi is a classmate of our Altius. Only Altius has a flight range of 10 km, and the wings are larger)))
              2. Runway
                Runway 7 February 2021 05: 18
                -2
                Until Magadan gets tired ... it means blah with the considered efficiency (like all the Turkish Air Force). Airplane not in wartime, or against hicks.
                And what about the blahs promoted in Karabakh? Length, runway quality? Very interesting, I did not find any data (maybe I was looking badly).
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 6 February 2021 16: 59
      +2
      An attack aircraft with a pilot like this sucks; last century
      Well, there is no pilot and the apparatus is not an assault aircraft, surprisingly !? Plus the cost of a flight hour and operation, you still need to know in order to compare even with an attack aircraft ???
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 18: 02
        +3
        Quote: Intruder
        Plus the cost of a flight hour and operation

        For Akinchi and Aksungur, these indicators are more expensive. These are not cheap devices like bayraktar, their value lies in their capabilities and not their cheapness.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 6 February 2021 19: 08
          +2
          their value in opportunities
          absolutely right, comrade !!! Namely, it is precisely the new opportunities that many do not see, or do not want to see, the good old conservatives, it was already 100 years ago with airplanes and helicopters (now, a trend that is growing with interest among automakers with airmobile cars (a new class of devices in the area: urban airmobility, it's just that now I myself have been working closely on this topic, since last year and so far, for obvious reasons, I cannot speak with what and exactly where winked ...) they are already going to arrange races, such as "air Formula-1", link: [media = https: //3dnews.ru/1031989]), even at close range ... laughingThe economy is also needed, there is no way without it ... but there are always a number of things that are a priority "for enthusiasts", even from Turkey ... wink
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 19: 12
            +4
            For example armament Mq-9, Turkish counterparts are not far off.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 6 February 2021 19: 22
              +3
              For example armament Mq-9, Turkish counterparts are not far off.
              I will say this, today I talked with the Canadian guys at work, the rumor passed bully that the Turks already have everything in the manufacturers' warehouses (at least, until December of last year it appeared ...), for the latest models of drones, such as not just demonstrators, but already experienced products with a number of tests, for export versions of customers from other Tata. ..mstanov!
  6. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 6 February 2021 15: 33
    +5
    Quote: voronkin
    In Karabakh, they have been tested .. Is the element base clearly Israeli?

    1. No, this UAV has not yet visited Azerbaijan.
    2. No, not Israeli.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 February 2021 15: 40
    +10
    Serious apparatus. And the bombs are serious.
    It is necessary to shoot down such immediately, without waiting for trouble. You can't get one of these from MANPADS, and you can't get "Derivation" either.
    This is the beech. The target is big, slow ...
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 February 2021 15: 55
      +1
      Interestingly, but it can be taken under control immediately after takeoff. It was a long time ago, there was a colonel in our school NVPshnik, a former commander of the Safonov regiment. So he said that the enemy was taken under control during takeoff by radio exchange. hi
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 6 February 2021 17: 01
        +3
        So he said that the enemy was taken under control during takeoff by radio exchange
        then it will be a cyber attack, and for this you need to do a lot, especially to know vulnerabilities in software and other "necessary things", to be smart with the control channel, etc.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 6 February 2021 20: 45
          0
          In the 70s, this business was, there was no tyrnet then. But somehow they took it for escort after takeoff. 81 83 served in the GSVG, went on friendship to the air defense point. Even if I was "" in this business, as ours saw the entire air situation to the English Channel, filtering the civilian sides.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 6 February 2021 20: 56
            -1
            Even if I am "" in this business, as ours saw the entire air situation up to the English Channel, filtering the civil aircraft.

            VATSIM Code (The digital code of the transponder is assigned either to a specific flight operated on the basis of a schedule, or to an individual aircraft. The digital code is assigned in such a way that it would be possible to understand additional information regarding this aircraft - for example, whether the flight is operated under IFR or VFR rules, whether the plane is military or civilian, etc.) without them in any way ..., only an apparatus - up to 115 kg., any ultralight ..., such as: a hang-glider / glider / paraglider, etc.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 6 February 2021 21: 07
              -1
              Was it in the 80s? Tyrnet was not there then.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 17: 02
        +7
        This requires massively AWACS and EW aircraft. They wept like a cat in Russia.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 6 February 2021 19: 15
          +1
          This requires massively AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft
          and not only, because the technologies do not stand still, except for radars, automated control systems and other avionics, with RER equipment, it is necessary to have specialists and some of the corresponding software on board, and not just all kinds of mass scanners / sniffers for school hatskers and so on, and higher-level software with capabilities and extensions that cost a lot, and this is a piece product "sometimes chiseled" for a specific exploit, or a pool of vulnerabilities, with not frail computing hardware on board, by the way, no one cryptography did not cancel ....
    2. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 6 February 2021 16: 26
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is the beech. The target is big, slow ...

      And at the same time well stuffed. Those. not cheap. Those. worth spending a rocket on.
    3. Runway
      Runway 7 February 2021 05: 23
      -3
      The places of basing (about 20 for the Turks) in the dust is necessary for the equipment and the two-legged in the mince for lyulyakebab.
  8. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 6 February 2021 15: 47
    +7
    Radar AFAR is good, 100% will be air-to-air missiles.
    The most interesting thing is that it will carry heavier bombs, such as laser MK82 or its Turkish counterpart.
    SOM cruise missiles with a range of 250 and 300 km.
    Or a lot of Bozok, Umtas, Mam-L.

    Yes, with 2 large engines it will glow just as well for air defense thermal missiles. But what to do, because of this, not to release the UAV or what?)
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 6 February 2021 15: 57
      -4
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Yes, with 2 large engines it will glow just as well for air defense thermal missiles. But what to do, because of this, not to release the UAV or what?)

      Produce, but more high-speed and maneuverable, such as the Hunter. And so for conventional fighter aircraft, these Bayraktars are an easy target, and for ground air defense they will shine like a Christmas tree.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 6 February 2021 17: 09
        +2
        Quote: kventinasd
        for ground air defense, they will glow like a Christmas tree.


        Ground air defense will shine no worse.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 7 February 2021 05: 36
        +1
        but more high-speed and maneuverable, such as the Hunter
        narrow application (as it has with the payload and the number of external suspension units in comparison with the Turkish bird ...), plus its economy, when used by the customer !?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 17: 10
      +2
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      2 large engines will also glow well for thermal imaging air defense missiles

      Not really, diesel aircraft engines are "cold", the heat trail dissipates well. The aircraft is made of radio-absorbing composites. In general, not an easy target for air defense. Considering the range of weapons, lethal for most systems.
      It needs the latest modifications of the Buk, S-300 and new S-350/400 (well, or Western / Chinese counterparts) there are not so many of them.
  9. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 6 February 2021 15: 48
    +4
    Turkish PD-222 engines will be installed on the Akinci drone instead of the Ukrainian AI-450T engines currently standing.

    What about collaboration? Or Turkish dviguns are made under the Ukrop license?
  10. Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 6 February 2021 16: 00
    +3
    Fact, but the Turks are now ahead of Russia in the development of UAVs. The result of Russia's investing 1% of GDP in science, while the leading scientific countries invest 4% each.

    Alas and ah, but Putin is far from Peter the Great in thinking. All the wild revenues from oil go not to the development of science, but to the bank and pocket.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 February 2021 16: 40
      +6
      Quote: Nirvanko
      Fact, but the Turks are now ahead of Russia in the development of UAVs. The result of Russia's investing 1% of GDP in science, while the leading scientific countries invest 4% each.

      Ash and Borei - is it one percent contribution to science? Or maybe Sarmat and Yars-S? Or Su-57 and S-400, S-500 fit in one percent? And what is the percentage of Buk-M3?
      Maybe the Brest reactor is one percent? Or a floating nuclear power plant? Aircraft engines of the PD family, too, must be much less than one percent. Or ship diesels. Well, and Zircon in general, according to this logic, is the century before last, and not at all percent.
      But the Turks are so ahead of Russia that they have not yet completed their own tank. Probably all four percent of scientific contributions go to UAVs.
      Alas and ah, but Putin is far from Peter the Great in thinking.

      Well, straight Syromyatnikov from "Let's Live Until Monday"!
      - In general, I think that Russia, after Peter the Great, was very unlucky for tsars. This is my personal opinion.
      - Here you give him one, and Yuri Nikulin will come out of him. It turns out that the future of our art was stifling.
      1. Nirvanko
        Nirvanko 6 February 2021 20: 03
        +10
        Ash trees ... Boreas .. Funny. We will boast of this for a long time to come, if in general we need to thank the Soviet school of designers for these developments. This backlog of the Soviet Union, like the entire nuclear and aviation industry. UAVs as a new industry are simply indicative that modern Russia in terms of technical development has dropped to the level of regional powers such as Turkey or even lower.

        In the USSR, science was put at the foundation, and in modern Russia its permanent leader for 20 years has been talking about an energy superpower, allocating 1% of GDP for science.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 February 2021 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: Nirvanko
          In terms of technical development, Russia has dropped to the level of regional powers such as Turkey or even lower.

          I named not only Ash and Boreas.
          And what, besides the UAV, can Turkey do? Or is this enough for her to personally declare Russia backward?
          Soviet school, you say? And on what, interestingly, were the Soviet developments of the thirties and forties based? Was there really solid know-how, and the imperial reserve was not used at all?
          Did Tupolev weaved out of primitive chaos as a genius aircraft designer only after 1917?
          Why could the USSR be able to use the legacy of the Russian Empire, and why modern Russia could use the USSR's achievements - a sheer junk, according to some?
          1. Nirvanko
            Nirvanko 10 February 2021 13: 53
            +1
            Dear, you can grimace as much as you like - the fact that the developed technological powers allocate up to 4% of GDP for science, while Russia you will not cancel 1%.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 10 February 2021 14: 04
              -3
              Something you have long sculpted your answer. Out of indignation, lost the gift of typing on the keyboard? AND! We thought day and night how you could answer my questions more weighty. But all the thoughts did not lead to anything, so they decided to simply ignore the questions. What a brave act! A self-sufficient and erudite person is immediately visible!
              Continue in the same spirit. So, you see, someday you will even start reading books.
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 6 February 2021 17: 20
      +1
      The Turks are now ahead of Russia in the development of UAVs.
      They have access to any components and electronics that will not be sold to Russia due to the sanctions.
  11. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 6 February 2021 16: 09
    +3
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: Emil Mamedoff
    Yes, with 2 large engines it will glow just as well for air defense thermal missiles. But what to do, because of this, not to release the UAV or what?)

    Produce, but more high-speed and maneuverable, such as the Hunter. And so for conventional fighter aircraft, these Bayraktars are an easy target, and for ground air defense they will shine like a Christmas tree.

    Well, these are slightly different UAVs, I think it is inappropriate to compare them. The Jet Hunter does not know how to hover for long observation (or fly at super low speeds). And even more ground for air defense.
    Each of them has its own advantage and its own purpose.
  12. Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 6 February 2021 16: 10
    +6
    Well done Turks, drones have almost caught up with the ripper, it remains to tighten the breo, and one can say "Ottomans are strong".
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 February 2021 16: 11
    0
    At the same time, Mahmut Aksit, director of the Turkish engine-building company TEI, said that Turkish PD-222 engines will be installed on the Akinci drone instead of the Ukrainian AI-450T engines currently standing.
    That's the same zrada, but the saucepans, well, Turkish ally. fellow wassat
  14. Avior
    Avior 6 February 2021 16: 25
    +2
    Something wrong
    Turkish-American turbodiesel engines PD-222 can be supplied instead of jet turboshaft AI-450?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 18: 11
      -1
      The AI-450T turboprop engine is a variant of the AI-450 twin-rotor turboshaft engine developed for installation on a UAV.
    2. Errr
      Errr 6 February 2021 19: 02
      +3
      The AI-450 with the letter T (AI-450T) is a variant of the AI-450C - an engine for light multipurpose general aviation aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles. It is not a turboshaft, it is a turboprop.
      http://ivchenko-progress.com/?portfolio=аи-450с&lang=ru#prettyPhoto
  15. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 6 February 2021 16: 30
    +2
    Something the Turks have been raging lately, is this to him?))
    1. cniza
      cniza 6 February 2021 17: 11
      +3
      The old wounds stopped hurting ...
  16. ck9999999
    ck9999999 6 February 2021 18: 47
    +1
    The Turks, of course, well done - they quietly staged an "aviation Galipoli". The uprising of the machines will show everything.
  17. dust31
    dust31 6 February 2021 19: 00
    +2
    the news cut straight with contrast. News about Russia is all in the future tense, and this is in the present, sorry not about us.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 February 2021 19: 14
    +7
    That's what the Turks love about all technology - design! Ours will do it ..... compare with Altair.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 6 February 2021 19: 25
    +1
    equipped with radar with AFAR, six computers with artificial intelligence,

    The Turks have solved the problem of artificial intelligence?
    1. Israel
      Israel 6 February 2021 23: 45
      +1
      as many as six computers were delivered, and all with artificial intelligence.
  20. Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 6 February 2021 21: 03
    -1
    Quote: Zaurbek
    That's what the Turks love about all technology - design! Ours will do it ..... compare with Altair.

    I don’t think that designers work there separately for the beauty of appearance. It's just that when developing the design, all sorts of aerodynamic, stealth-stealth moments and so on are taken into account - that's what it looks like by itself.
    For example, TB2's design is ugly for me.)
    Like a shark cub born under radiation conditions.

    (And their armored vehicles, tanks, ships are really very beautiful.)
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 01: 41
      0
      TB-2 is still ok, but TB-2S is really ugly.
      1. Emil mamedoff
        Emil mamedoff 7 February 2021 02: 51
        0
        Well, yes, but this is a forced measure, because of the antenna.) Although the TB-2S has a bulge with a very graceful thin transition (in aviation this is a plus), it is not as sharp-spherical as that of Anka S and other similar UAVs, the fashion for which went after MQ-9, further from Israel and China, all as a carbon copy.)
  21. xomaNN
    xomaNN 6 February 2021 23: 25
    0
    instead of the currently standing Ukrainian AI-450T engines.

    Then why do Turks need Ukraine as partners?
  22. Israel
    Israel 6 February 2021 23: 42
    -2
    Yesterday, all this is in order to drive the enemy without more or less normal air defense. A big, slow target and already expensive enough for the Buk to work on. If the declared characteristics of the Russian Pantsir-SM correspond to the real ones, it will destroy such drones until there is enough ammunition.

    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 7 February 2021 09: 15
      0
      Colonial Wars - Reality and Future. They are dying "dear" soldiers of developed countries. Such UAVs save their lives. This segment will actively develop. How much would Azerbaijan lose in such a conflict without the UAV?
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth 7 February 2021 12: 12
        -2
        As many.
        The main losses of the Azerbaijanis are the composition of the special forces, the number of which they hid among various security agencies and their units.
        The role of the UAV in the Karabakh war was greatly exaggerated by the Armenians and partly by us in an effort to justify the defeat. The same units of the Azeri Special Forces inflicted many more casualties on the Armenians in manpower, despite the fact that they did not have heavy weapons and operated in ordinary combat, often in hand-to-hand combat.

        Here you need to understand the background of the conflict - Aliyev would never have dared to start hostilities without receiving any good from the GDP, and immediately stopped on command and did not achieve the desired result and failed to restore his sovereignty within the borders of the Azerbaijan SSR. There are many words about Turkey, but she acted only as a guarantor for Aliyev and, apparently, not without our consent.
        For us, the task was to resolve the issue of changing the internal political situation in Armenia and changing the pro-Russian Pashinyan, while with minimal damage to our status as an ally and guarantor of Armenia's security. But, the degree of degradation of the Armenian army in the training and equipping of which we took part, including with large deliveries of weapons literally on the eve of the start of hostilities, turned out to be so great that the hostilities turned into beating a baby. A further offensive of the Azerbaijani army would end in disaster for the Armenians, especially since the Azerbaijanis, having felt the taste of victory, gained superiority over the demoralized Armenians, every day reducing the proportion of losses in their favor, and this despite the fact that they were conducting offensive operations. The complete defeat of the Armenians was no longer included in our plans, as it compromised our status as an ally, in addition, the destruction by Azerbaijanis of our modern air defense systems, electronic warfare, etc. discredited our systems in the global arms market.
        Regarding the latter, this is important, one has only to remember how much interest in Turkish attack UAVs has grown as a result of the war.


        If at all about UAVs, then the war in Transcaucasia once again proved that UAVs in need of operations at home airfields or hard-surface runways were and will remain weapons against Zulus or pasties of various colors and colors. In the modern conflict between two developed countries, the price of such a UAV is ZERO, airfields and control points, relay systems, including satellite ones, or effective jamming will be installed rather quickly. But relatively light UAVs as a means of destroying radar systems and air defense systems, a means of fighting tanks and long-term firing points will continue to be effective and relevant.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 12: 46
          -1
          Quote: Azimuth
          Aliyev would never have dared to start hostilities without receiving good from GDP

          Preparations for the war in Karabakh were sharply accelerated after the fighting in Idlib. The SAA and the allies at Idlib were defeated and unable to continue fighting. This threatened the loss of Aleppo. For stopping the counter-offensive of the Turkish coalition, the surrender of Sirakib and the routes could be given, including Karabakh, i.e. assurance that the RF Armed Forces will not fight directly.
          The blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan was a surprise for everyone. The technical and tactical superiority over the Armenians turned out to be too great. And yes, Turkish UAVs did not play the biggest role, Israeli ones were more effective.
          Quote: Azimuth
          In the modern conflict between two developed countries

          There will be no direct conflicts between developed countries, it is not profitable. Now is the time of hybrid wars when video is more important than the action itself.
          The Akinci class already has the pinnacle of excellence MQ-9. This is where they will stop. Swarms of small drones and jet unmanned systems will be further developed. Loyal Wingman's concept is one of the most promising.
  23. Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 February 2021 11: 35
    0
    This heavy UAV will serve as a launch platform for its own Turkish-made cruise missiles. In this capacity, it is quite effective, since it has a long loitering time, a large flight airiness.
    In fact, a mini missile carrier, significantly reducing costs and risks.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 12: 30
      -1
      He will be more effective as a scout. Air, sea, ground radars, various electronic warfare systems, PLO systems.
      Also suitable for a first strike on air defense systems. KR, panic bombs of the GBU-39 type. Covering the operation area of ​​lighter UAVs from manned aircraft is also within the power. Shoot down a helicopter or L-39 completely.
      Working as an attack aircraft is not exactly his task.
      For these tasks, Bayraktars are more suitable for regional conflicts; jet UAVs are being created for larger-scale military operations.
  24. Azimuth
    Azimuth 7 February 2021 13: 45
    0
    [quote = OgnennyiKotik] [quote = Azimuth] Aliyev would never have dared to start hostilities without receiving good from GDP [/ quote]
    Preparations for the war in Karabakh were sharply accelerated after the fighting in Idlib. The SAA and the allies at Idlib were defeated and unable to continue fighting. This threatened the loss of Aleppo. For stopping the counter-offensive of the Turkish coalition, the surrender of Sirakib and the routes could be given, including Karabakh, i.e. assurance that the RF Armed Forces will not fight directly.
    The blitzkrieg of Azerbaijan was a surprise for everyone. The technical and tactical superiority over the Armenians turned out to be too great. And yes, Turkish UAVs did not play the biggest role, Israeli ones were more effective. [Quote] I'll start from the end.
    The fact that the Israeli UAVs were more effective, I will not argue, they are at least more perfect, this became noticeable when we slowed you down at the end of the war. It was only necessary to use electronic warfare and the Turkish UAVs immediately stood up, the strikes continued only by the Israeli Harop and Orbiter, it was so obvious and noticeable that only a layman could not pay attention.

    For the main part. I do not think that Karabakh was the subject of an exchange between us and the Turks for positions in Syria. Aliyev needed Turkey as an arbiter and guarantor in negotiations and agreements with the GDP, nothing more. By the beginning of the war, Turkey prepared more than one generation of your officers and most of those who distinguished themselves, up to the generals, were just natives of the special forces from and to trained by the Turks and others, including the United States. Turkey could not give more to Azerbaijan, having a military-industrial complex too dependent on Europeans and Americans, although they drool over seeing multi-billion dollar contracts with us and the Israelis.
    Aliyev and Azerbaijan are quite rich Buratins, but all that broke off the Turks was the supply of Chinese licensed MLRS, communication systems, partly uniforms and equipment, and the very same UAVs, although in the latter case they got bumps because of the subsequent refusals in the supply of components from European and American companies.

    If the role of Turkey is as great as you think, then the results of the war in Karabakh can be regarded as its defeat. In fact, we just supported Erdogan's falling pants, and he is still beneficial to us. Azerbaijan has achieved limited and incomplete success and I do not think that Aliyev expected more. We, in turn, have just solved all our tasks and not without the help and participation of Aliyev and your army. The Armenians got off, albeit not easy, but so far only with fright and their future fate entirely depends on their own choice and behavior, but judging by the monument to Nzhdeh erected recently in Karabakh and not removed in Yerevan, they have not yet made the correct conclusions and there may be local suggestions with our side.

    Everything else is NAIV and the snot of high school girls.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 February 2021 14: 26
      -1
      Quote: Azimuth
      If the role of Turkey is as great as you think, then the results of the war in Karabakh can be regarded as its defeat.

      On the contrary. There could be no better option for the Turks. The remnants of Artsakh are not needed for nothing, a poor territory without resources and a hostile population. It is a great option to bring our peacekeepers there to disarm the Armenians and maintain order. The introduction of Azerbaijani troops there would mean the introduction of full-fledged sanctions, no one needs it at all. In addition, Aliyev does not need this, the enemy on which he can be promoted disappears, the Turks are not profitable due to the fact that Azerbaijan will solve all the problems, Russia is not profitable for the same reason, in short, it is not profitable for anyone to end the conflict in Karabakh, otherwise it would be resolved a long time ago. This problem is not worth a damn.
      For the Turks, more important is the direct railway to the ports of Baku, with access to Central Asia and China. Restoration of railway communication with Russia as another +. The Lachin corridor is the guarantee for the existence of the corridor to Nakhichevan. Another plus is the strengthening of Turkey's image as a winning country.
      The hidden beneficiary is England, for the fact that Turkey is the conductor of its interests, Turkey gained access to the British market and its technologies.
      The current Russian government made a good face on a bad game. Yes, we were not kicked out of the Transcaucasia, they restored our influence on Armenia, we have a lever of pressure on Azerbaijan. But these are tactical victories with strategic losses. Within 5 years, transport corridors will work, Europe and Asia will be connected directly bypassing Russia. The Russian market will become less interesting for Asian countries, and the influence will decrease accordingly. Another betrayal of the current government of Russia's interests, nothing new.
  25. cheap trick
    cheap trick 7 February 2021 15: 03
    0
    then these flyers will bomb the Crimea!
  26. elai
    elai 7 February 2021 17: 36
    0
    How did the barmaley planted 2 of our eagles in Idlib, who helped with electronic warfare?