At the "Severnaya Verf" announced the date of delivery of the boathouse for the construction of ships in the ocean zone

The Severnaya Verf shipyard will receive a new boathouse for the construction of ships in the ocean zone in 2022. This was announced by the general director of the enterprise Igor Orlov.

According to Orlov, the construction of the new boathouse is proceeding according to schedule, without disruptions, the completion of construction is planned this year, and commissioning in 2022. The new boathouse will have two slipways more than 50 meters wide and 240 meters long, which will allow building ships and vessels of the ocean zone.

Completion of construction is planned for 2021, delivery - in 2022

- leads TASS words of the CEO.

It is planned that the new boathouse will be used for the construction of frigates of the modernized project 22350M. At the same time, the date for laying the lead ship of the series has not yet been determined, although the state contract for the development and construction of the first frigate of the series has been signed.

The date for laying the head frigate has not yet been set. The development of a new promising ship of the far sea zone is being carried out by the Northern Design Bureau in St. Petersburg

- Orlov explained.

Earlier, the United Shipbuilding Company announced that the construction of a new series of Project 22350M frigates would begin after the commissioning of a new boathouse at Severnaya Verf. According to unconfirmed information, the lead ship of the series should be part of fleet no later than 2027, the total series will be at least 4 frigates.

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[Krasnoyarsk]

Well, what can you say? Great !!!

[Orange bigg]

Great. But what engines will be on the 22350M? It is necessary to start R&D on engines as soon as possible so that the story with the frigates of Project 22350 does not repeat itself when the ships are built and the engines have been waiting for years. So far, they are just considering something there.

... MOSCOW, January 17. / TASS /. The United Engine Corporation (UEC, part of Rostec) is considering two experimental design projects for the creation of marine engines with a capacity of up to 35 thousand horsepower. This was announced by the general director of the UEC, Alexander Artyukhov.

“Today we have three target niches in terms of horsepower: from 6 to 27 thousand. Additionally, two ROC projects up to 35 thousand horsepower are being discussed,” Artyukhov said in an interview with the Military Acceptance program on Zvezda TV channel.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10478799

[Machito]

Recently there was an article on VO that now the USC is cutting down one power plant for a frigate every two years, and if it strains, it can do one power plant per year. For UDC, the same power plant is used, and they want to build four of them. If urgent measures are not taken, then four frigates will be built for 8-10 years. In some Norway, even more will be built in the same period.

[Orange bigg]

I think measures will be taken.

[Machito]

Quote: OrangeBigg

I think measures will be taken.

Here, not measures are needed, but ready-made efficient power plants for ships.

[Alex777]

We have classified the construction of the fleet in full.
It is still not clear what kind of UDC is being built in Crimea.
IMHO that's right.
It hurts the Anglo-Saxons when someone has an ocean-going fleet.
China is the most telling example. There was no fleet - there were no problems.
But we certainly need a fleet and the news on the boathouse is excellent.
As for the engines - Burks with 4 identical turbines run great.
The VI of 22350M is similar to Berks, we have similar turbines.
But if they start cutting:

an integrated power system that can power the weapons and intelligence of the future

how the States planned it - then the terms and prices are covered in darkness ...

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

The VI of 22350M is similar to Berks, we have similar turbines.

For 22350M, it looks like they are preparing a power plant from a turbopair M70FRU - an economic move, and M-90FR - a forced move with a padding on the torque reducer from both turbines.
For a VI 7000 - 8000 t ship, this is a very good power plant.
But the power plant on turbopairs M-90FR \ FRU will already give excess power, this will match the ship VI in 12 - 000 tons, that is, a cruiser-destroyer of the "Leader" type in a gas turbine version (initially two projects of "Leader "- in nuclear and gas turbine versions).
By the way, the dimensions of the eling indicate that it was laid for the construction of an atomic monster of the "Leader" type, but common sense prevailed and the optimal 22350M will be built. And they can be built on any stocks where pr. 1155 and "Sarychi" were built before. Including in Kaliningrad.

[Alex777]

But the power plant on turbopairs M-90FR \ FRU will already give excess power

I disagree. What about lasers? And the electronic warfare?
The power reserve will always come in handy.

[smart ass]

Lavrenty Beria is missing

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Bearded

If urgent measures are not taken, four frigates will be built for 8-10 years.

well, from the first three laid down, and so out of 10 years, none did not come out ... And the fourth, it is unlikely to come out ... (!)

Quote: Genry

United Engine Corporation (UEC), which is part of the state corporation "Rostec", has started to serial deliveries diesel-gas turbine units DGTA M55R for missile frigates of the "Admiral Gorshkov" type.

where did you see serialityWhen "completely own" - first unit (those. so far the only one !!) handed over to shipbuilders ? !!

Earlier, the United Shipbuilding Company announced that the construction of a new series of Project 22350M frigates would begin after the commissioning of a new boathouse at Severnaya Verf. According to unconfirmed information, the lead ship of the series should enter the fleet no later than 2027, the whole series will be at least 4 frigates.

? !!
really, -

Quote: dust31

as about Russia, so some announcements. Soon, it will be, they will post it, receive it, introduce it, and so on.

!!!

[Genry]

Quote: OrangeBigg

But what engines will be on the 22350M?

The United Engine Corporation (UEC), which is part of the Rostec state corporation, has started serial deliveries of DGTA M55R diesel-gas turbine units for Admiral Gorshkov-class missile frigates.
DGTA M55R is produced by ZAO "Turborus" (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region). It consists of a 10D49 diesel engine (5200 hp) and an M90FR gas turbine engine (27500 hp). They are produced at the facilities of the Kolomna plant (Kolomna, Moscow region) and NPO Saturn (Rybinsk, Yaroslavl region). They work through a PO55R gearbox manufactured by PJSC "Zvezda".

[Orange bigg]

These engines listed by you go to a frigate with a displacement of about 5 thousand tons of project 22350, and I ask when the engines will be ready for, in fact, a destroyer with a displacement of about 8 thousand tons of project 22350M.

[D16]

Great. But what engines will be on the 22350M?

If all the bad things like electromotion do not hit, the traditional for 22350 CODOG will be. Instead of D49, D500 and a gearbox for high power, Afterburner turbines can be old, we'll see. I'm not Copenhagen in such things, but IMHO if they did CODAG, the afterburner could definitely leave the same.

[bayard]

Quote: D16

Instead of D49 D500

On a new ship, a non-existent and untested diesel engine?
To surely fill up or delay the implementation of the project?

Quote: D16

Afterburner turbines can make up old

And what speed will these "old" turbines give the ship VI 8000 tons, if the ship VI 5400 tons can hardly accelerate to 29 knots?
No, for 22350 there will be turbopairs M-70FRU and M-90FR, with padding on the torque reducer from both at the "full speed". Therefore, the economic speed, and the maximum one, will be higher for the 22350M.
And this is good .
And it is precisely such a power plant that is quite suitable for the new UDCs being built now in Kerch.
And in the picture, when they are laid, the gas ducts (pipes) from 4 gas turbines are clearly visible.

[D16]

On a new ship, a non-existent and untested diesel engine?

This year they promised to finish testing the D500. Nobody has laid the ship yet.

And what speed will these "old" turbines give the ship VI 8000 tons, if the ship VI 5400 tons can hardly accelerate to 29 knots?

So it will be. Nodes 28-29.

No, for 22350 there will be turbopairs M-70FRU and M-90FR, with padding on the torque reducer from both at the "full speed".

There was already this perversion on both 1135 and 1155. There was also a "through" transmission, so that one GT could be used on both propeller shafts when maneuvering at low speeds. If the navy wanted this option, they would have ordered it to Zara for 22350. But no.

economic speed, and maximum, at 22350M will be higher.
And this is good .

Good, of course, but noisy, expensive and not economical.

And in the picture, when they are laid, the gas ducts (pipes) from 4 gas turbines are clearly visible.

We will see. Maybe they can do it in a diesel engine.

[bayard]

Quote: D16

There was already this perversion on both 1135 and 1155.

In general, very successful ships and power plants for them. For many, it is the attempt to marry a diesel and GT on the same gearbox that is considered a perversion. And the noise ... how many rubbing and moving parts in a diesel engine? And in GT? Akurat two bearings. So why is there more vibration and noise? And what noise will spread further?

Quote: D16

and not economical.

It was for the sake of economy that a turbo-diesel pair was invented. But they lost in the speed of the economic move.

Quote: D16

So it will be. Nodes 28-29.

No, it will not . There will be 27 knots at most, but at least 30 knots are needed, this is still a warship, not a fishing trawler.

Quote: D16

This year they promised to finish testing the D500.

They have been promising him for a long time, but how long are they waiting for the promised? If they do it, it will go to the corvettes 20385, it just lacks the power for normal speed, and on the BDK.

[D16]

In general, these are very successful ships and power plants for them.

The buildings are good. GEM cannot be called such. High-speed diesels are really noisy, but D49 or D500 are not such. The main source of noise is the gearbox. In this regard, GEM 1135-1155 is out of competition. Even on economic or quiet running. Simply because the degree of reduction in GT gearboxes is much higher.

but you need at least 30 knots

Who? Who are you going to chase after?

[bayard]

For the economic stroke, the power of the D500 is exactly enough, but for a maximum stroke of 2 x 27500 l / s it is not enough, you need at least 2 x 35 l / s. There is no such turbine (there is in the project, but it will be, as always, not soon), but adding M000FRU and M70FR on the gearbox, we get enough power for 90 - 30 knots.

Quote: D16

Who? Who are you going to chase after?

Behind the enemy AUG and KUG, to accompany their own promising aircraft carrier, to make a rapid maneuver, get out of the blow, break away from the pursuit. It has long been experimentally determined that for ships of the far and oceanic zones, a speed of at least 30 knots is needed. "Gorshkov" has a shortage both in maximum speed and in economic speed. On "Superpots" it is impermissible to repeat such shortcomings.
And, besides, for new UDCs, a power plant of just such a capacity is needed 2 x (10 \ 000 + 13) l / s. = about 000 l / s.
Or, at worst, 4 x M90FR with the implementation of electromotion, but then it will be a completely different power plant and another ROC. And additional costs. Including time.
And the ships are needed yesterday.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Hmmm ... Great, but you still need to pump up. What engines? Don't give a damn about engines - talk about boathouses. There will be a conversation about engines, I will read your arguments with pleasure. And so ... your message looks just srach.

[figwam]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, what can you say? Great !!!

There will be someone to guard the aircraft carrier.

[antivirus]

for a laugh - there are no tasks - to preserve - bankers do not yet have such assets that need protection by those AB

[venik]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, what can you say? Great !!!

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Not that word! We are already tired! With ships of the far sea and ocean zones - just "seams"! Those that are - already, basically "serve", and are already seriously outdated .... New ones are needed! And - a LOT and "already on YESTERDAY" ...
Another thing is surprising: "...the whole series will be at least 4 frigates.... "So little? If it sounded:" at least 14 .... "It would be understandable. And so ... Although it is possible that something is already being prepared and more serious than 22350M .....

[bayard]

Putin announced plans for 18 such 22350M.
Then, a few days later, the figure sounded already ... 12 pcs.
And then the engines froze again even for 22350.
Now already "at least 4" ... Krasno Solnyshko's plans are diminishing ...

[Hunter 2]

Well done St. Petersburg !!! Good luck!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Hunter 2

Good luck!

And what about the working design documentation?
Have you already bought the metal and started cutting it?
Have the Krylovtsy already bathed the model 1/72 in the pool?
And what about the new samples of "minced meat"? Are the contractors already puzzled and starting to sculpt? Or are they still hovering in the projects? ...
and such questions - a carriage and also a "whole platform" - mind you, not a "small cart"! - namely the platform! (for oversized questions for subchiks)

[Orange bigg]

They are working on the design documentation 22350M.

[Boa kaa]

So after they dig deep into it, heart-to-heart ... You need to make the rigging, prepare the slipway, sculpt blocks-sections, and then put it all together skillfully and accurately ... Competence, that is, you need to have ...
And we have it !? Have we prepared personnel for new assembly technologies?
And so, to the point of insanity, you can ask questions.
And the man in the street is one: - Why slowly, why not like in the States or the South Caucasus !!!
(It's a difficult thing - a rocker ... - my father used to say to me.
- Well, why difficult?
- Because the load is evenly distributed, son ")

[Orange bigg]

Have you noticed that the 22350M is essentially a further development of the frigate 22350 already mastered in production? Yes, there will be some differences in the same engines. But for the rest they will borrow a lot from the frigates of project 22350 under construction. Everything has already been tested there.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Have you noticed that the 22350M is essentially a further development of the frigate 22350 already mastered in production?

Well, yes, well, yes ... That's just why you skipped past the hat with ears about the fact that a new assembly method is being introduced - they are moving from the aggregate-block method to the sectional one ... And there is no experience of such an assembly yet ... You can recall examples , when, due to modernity, it was necessary to disassemble ready-made cases, tk. "virtual modeling" could not foresee this ... (The Germans and French at one time distinguished themselves in this).
So, NOT FACT!
AHA.

[Orange bigg]

... That's just why you missed the hat with ears about the fact that a new assembly method is being introduced - they are moving from the aggregate-block to the sectional ...

So they know what they are doing. Everything happens for the first time. We must keep up with the times. It's even good when new technologies are mastered. Someone recently said that we cannot do without Ukrainian engines for helicopters and ships. In the end, they were able to. And then God willing we will master the new production technology. Not the first time.

[Volder]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

a new assembly method is being introduced - from the modular-block to the sectional ...

There was such information in the media about the construction of submarines.

[Volder]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Have the Krylovtsy already bathed the model 1/72 in the pool?

A bathing model of a promising long ship was recently shown in the Military Acceptance program and it was said that this model of a large ship, which will appear in the Navy in 10 years.

[Sailor]

Ships 22350M need not 4, but at least 14!

[210ox]

Well, "Moscow was not built right away." Considering our capabilities, but I agree with you on the BF and the Black Sea Fleet on the ship as the flagship, the rest are on the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet

[Orange bigg]

Exactly. The delivery of Project 22350 frigates "Admiral Golovko" and "Admiral Isakov" was postponed to 2022 and 2023. But the problems with the supply of engines have already been resolved.

... The Severnaya Verf plant will transfer the third and fourth frigates of project 22350 Admiral Golovko and Admiral Isakov to the Russian Navy later than scheduled due to problems with the supply of domestic engines, said the general director of the enterprise Igor Orlov.

"One will be rented next year, in 2022, and one in 2023," Orlov reports to RIA Novosti.

Earlier it was reported that the serial frigate "Admiral Golovko" will be handed over to the Navy in 2021. His mooring trials were to begin this summer.

The general director of Severnaya Verf said that the problems with the supply of engines have already been resolved. The turbines on "Admiral Golovko" are loaded, in late 2021 - early 2022 the enterprise plans to start sea trials of the ship. In addition, the shipyard is now building the same type of ships "Admiral Chichagov" and "Admiral Amelko", in July last year the frigates "Admiral Spiridonov" and "Admiral Yumashev" were laid down, which will receive 24 cells for missiles. The first six ships had 16 of them.

https://m.vz.ru/news/2021/2/4/1083524.html

[Sailor]

By the way, I would also distribute the ships.

[URAL72]

I think 14 will not be enough. They have to replace destroyers, and partly cruisers and frigates, so 36-40 is it! But expensive ...

[Dangerous]

40 is fine. By that time, they should decide on aircraft carriers, so by the beginning of the 30s, the navy will have 3-4 full-fledged augs. Let's see how the Americans sing then

[whatis love]

4 aircraft carriers in 9 years ??? Did you crash with an oak tree? 1) Where will you build 2) What shisha 3) Remove the possibility of shifts to the right 4) And what kind of aircraft carriers will we build?

[Volder]

Quote: Whatislove

4 aircraft carriers in 9 years ??? Did you crash with an oak tree?

It is necessary to be softer with the believer. Why hurt a person? :)

[lis-ik]

Quote: Dangerous

40 is fine. By that time, they should decide on aircraft carriers, so by the beginning of the 30s, the navy will have 3-4 full-fledged augs. Let's see how the Americans sing then

Blessed is he who believes.

[Volder]

Quote: Sailor

Ships 22350M need not 4, but at least 14!

After them, the destroyers of the "Leader" project of larger displacement will be built. 22350M is a transitional (intermediate) project.

[Sailor]

Even if they begin to be built and this will be a great achievement, and EMs and cruisers do not shine for us, at least with this country's leadership, it will be a great victory if the Lazarev is still modernized.

[Volder]

Quote: Sailor

at least with this country leadership

Under some other leadership, the Russian Federation will hardly be better; on the contrary, it may be worse. You don't want a return of the liberal 90s or the USSR-2.0, do you?

[Sailor]

And what was bad about the USSR? If it will be on a different level without slips, then why not!

[Volder]

Quote: Sailor

And what was bad about the USSR? If it will be on a different level without slips, then why not!

Stop fantasizing. The seceded republics cannot be returned back. You can't be cute. We must proceed from here. The USSR in its technical development relied on 15 of its republics, 14 of which later threw Moscow. Therefore, now Russia is less strong and powerful, but it does not disintegrate from within, the economy is not ruinous.

[Sailor]

Why gather everyone, in my opinion, 5 would be enough (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Moldova).

[Volder]

Quote: Sailor

Why gather everyone, in my opinion, 5 would be enough (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Moldova).

Separation into independent states is the choice of the population and those politicians whom this population has chosen. I don’t think that Russians in the Russian Federation are eager to reunite with the now weakened former republics. If under the USSR these main republics were economically developed and shaped the economy of the entire USSR, now these states will become parasites, pulling money from the Russian Federation to maintain their pants. Do we need it? Seriously? These allies have already stabbed the USSR with a knife once, and it is hardly worth giving them the opportunity to do it again with Russia. Let them continue to attract the existence they deserve!

[Ilya098]

the construction of the new boathouse is on schedule, without disruption

Such news is good, keep it up

[bad]

the construction of the new boathouse is on schedule, without disruption

Yes, only the former contractor was suspended from the construction of the boathouse, which caused a delay of about 1,5 years. The new contractor is building on schedule.

[Volder]

Quote: malo

The new contractor is building on schedule.

Graphs are adjusted and shifted to the right depending on the contractor. Fine! :)

[evgen1221]

Well the wind in the sail so to speak!

[voronkin]

Russian shipyards, this is the main direction now .. And you do not need to spare money for them! I understand the saying that "Russia has only two allies, the Army and the Navy!" is very relevant now and is already bearing fruit ..
The West is asking the world for the time being modestly and shrilly .. But soon it will bow its head and Russia will definitely achieve this ..

[Dart]

good news.

[petrol cutter]

Oh me? I also want to!
The first workshop must either be demolished to hell (which, in my opinion, is easier) and a new one must be sculpted in its place. Or overhaul. Bo it becomes already simply traumatic for the personnel. However, the plaster falls on the head.
How can you take it down? We have two "Comets" under construction / two A40s are, and still some kind of blue motnya. Which is nothing to do with.

[dust31]

as about Russia, so some announcements. Soon, it will be, they will post it, receive it, introduce it, and so on.

[Potter]

Once upon a time, in 1913, the Putilov shipyard was built with similar slipways. 2 large slipways for battleships. In addition, small slipways for Novik-class destroyers. The first ships laid down on large slipways were SS Volkhov (Commune) on one slipway and two Svetlana-class cruisers on the other.