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"Can't afford such an aircraft": The United States questioned Russia's ability to develop the MiG-41

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"Can't afford such an aircraft": The United States questioned Russia's ability to develop the MiG-41

Russia will not be able to create a promising aviation long-range intercept complex (PAK DP) due to economic problems in the country. This is the conclusion reached by military expert Pyotr Butovsky in his article for the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology.


The American expert commented on the statement of the Rostec state corporation about the creation of a promising interceptor, which in the future should replace the MiG-31, which is in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. In his opinion, the deadlines for the creation of the PAK DP set by Russia by the beginning of the 30s are unrealistic, it is difficult to predict something because of the situation in the Russian aviation industry.

For Russia, this period is so far away that it is difficult to predict anything. Current trends in the Russian economy and aviation industry indicate that Russia cannot afford such an aircraft.

- says Butovsky.

He writes that although the Russian Ministry of Defense ordered the development of the PAK DP of the United Aircraft Corporation, quite a few funds have been allocated for this. Judging by the publications in the Russian press, the project is in its early stages and we should not expect any acceleration of work in this area in the near future.

The author is convinced that part of the tasks that are being set for the promising interceptor being developed, called the MiG-41, will be partially transferred to the fifth generation fighter Su-57. In addition, Russia will carry out modernization and extend the service life of the existing MiG-31 fleet until the end of the 2030s.

Earlier, another American edition, Military Watch, expressed the opinion that Russia would spend "a lot of money and time" on the creation of the "problematic MiG-41", and the MiG-31 in service would last until the 2040s.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 6 February 2021 09: 39
    +8
    ... "Can't afford such an aircraft": The United States questioned Russia's ability to develop the MiG-41

    They forgot to write about pensions.

    1. Finches
      Finches 6 February 2021 09: 50
      +67
      It is even beneficial for us somewhere that in the USA and in other no less "civilized" countries we continue to be considered the Upper Volta, but with missiles ... And we just need to continue to bend our line! The only problem is that there are enough enemies inside Russia itself, homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm - they say the militarized budget, you need to redirect everything to the social sphere, and it is best to abandon the army altogether and just lie under the United States, then we will heal , as in Europe ... Whine and whine, the liberals are half-white and pink half-red - it's amazing how they sang that! laughing
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 6 February 2021 09: 53
        +27
        I don't care what they write in the Western press. The articles of their newspapers are adjusted to please one or another political party, so that they can earn more political points out of the blue, they say: "It is thanks to the policy of our party and sanctions in Russia, everything is so" remarkably "bad." We already know that our problems are exclusively of an internal nature.
        The main thing is that the caravan goes without looking back at the barking of dogs!
        1. Adimius38
          Adimius38 6 February 2021 11: 45
          +11
          Is it different with us? the entire information field is adjusted to specific goals and objectives. Whoever controls this information field is the one who sets these tasks. We have some forces in control, in the United States others.
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        3. alexmach
          alexmach 6 February 2021 18: 21
          +4
          I don't care what they write in the Western press

          No matter what they write to please someone, these doubts are far from empty place.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 7 February 2021 21: 32
            -1
            Quote: alexmach
            I don't care what they write in the Western press

            No matter what they write to please someone, these doubts are far from empty place.

            Yes, you don't need a lot of mind to write something like that, anyway, no one will refute, the Empireists have no access to the project ...
            They believe in the negative more ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 7 February 2021 23: 31
              -1
              And yet all projects of new aircraft are going very, very slowly. About the MiG-41, not only about the flight prototype, but even about its supposed appearance, there is not even a model. And the expediency of designing such an aircraft raises separate questions, despite the fact that higher-priority projects have not yet been brought to mind, the same SU-57 or the new TU-160 for example.
            2. nakhtigalsif
              nakhtigalsif 8 February 2021 20: 11
              0
              Quote: Lara Croft
              Quote: alexmach
              I don't care what they write in the Western press

              No matter what they write to please someone, these doubts are far from empty place.

              Yes, you don't need a lot of mind to write something like that, anyway, no one will refute, the Empireists have no access to the project ...
              They believe in the negative more ...

              ... or the donkey dies, or the sultan dies ...
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 8 February 2021 20: 57
                +1
                Not surprising. Throughout the history of Russia, there have been so many foreign and homegrown skeptics in its capabilities, who then very much surprised and quietly crawled away! And some crawled away whining and licking their wounds ... smile
      2. figwam
        figwam 6 February 2021 09: 59
        +12
        military expert Pyotr Butovsky in his article for the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology.

        Where will Petya put his opinion when the plane takes off?
        Although, what difference does it make to us.
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 February 2021 10: 02
          +1
          Exactly there ... laughing
          1. hirurg
            hirurg 6 February 2021 10: 20
            +24
            Piotr Butovsky is a Polish expert. He even writes books about Russian aviation. And Polish aviation is OGO-GO.)))
            They love to look into someone else's pocket, if there is a hole in theirs.)))
        2. Machito
          Machito 6 February 2021 13: 51
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          military expert Pyotr Butovsky in his article for the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology.

          Where will Petya put his opinion when the plane takes off?
          Although, what difference does it make to us.

          American expert Pyotr Butovsky is telling the truth: we cannot. Petya is great. Why bother the vrazhinka ahead of time? And then: bam. Surprise. As with hypersonic cruise missiles.
        3. Dart
          Dart 6 February 2021 23: 02
          0
          Butovski? ... Mike Wazowski !?
        4. boris epstein
          boris epstein 7 February 2021 16: 05
          +2
          At one time, an American sports commentator wrote an article that the USSR national team will NEVER! Will not defeat the Canadian professional team. And if this happens, he promised to eat a newspaper with his article. And it must be the very first match, and the Canadians slap them --- 7-3! Soviet hockey players found a chatterbox and made him eat a newspaper. The only relief - they were allowed to eat it with jelly.
          1. Glad
            Glad 11 February 2021 23: 51
            0
            Soviet hockey players found a talker and made him eat a newspaper. The only relief - they were allowed to eat it with jelly.

            No, it was a little different there. Once I listened to the memories of our hockey players, participants in that match. They said that the journalist himself came to ours and honestly said that he would eat a newspaper. Our graciously allowed him not to crack the paper on dry, but to wash it down with jelly.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 6 February 2021 10: 13
        +12
        Quote: Finches
        The only problem is that there are enough enemies inside Russia itself, homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm - they say the militarized budget, you need to redirect everything to the social sphere, and it is best to abandon the army altogether and just lie down

        That's for sure, and there are plenty of them everywhere! And we are being led on by their sugary voices and sometimes vote for such.
        But when they come to power, like many others, they throw all their promises into the basket and care only about their well-being, singing songs to us about the lack of money and that in the future "everything will be"!
        1. lucul
          lucul 6 February 2021 13: 22
          +3
          But when they come to power, like many others, they throw all their promises into the basket and care only about their well-being, singing songs to us about the lack of money and that in the future "everything will be"!

          How not to remember Yatsenyuk, with his imperishable "Ukraine is not my historical homeland, and after my premiership, I am not going to stay here."
      4. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 11: 13
        +11
        Quote: Finches
        The only problem is that there are enough enemies inside Russia itself

        The problem is not that there are plenty of enemies inside Russia, but that they rule Russia. A few days ago, a relative of US Secretary of State Blinkin was appointed to a very responsible position, for example.
        Quote: Finches
        homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm - they say the militarized budget, you need to redirect everything to the social sphere, and it is best to abandon the army altogether and just lie under the United States, then we will live like in Europe ...

        After all, Navalny has not only Western puppeteers, Potanin was recently caught financing Navalny through his own structures. And our military budget is already being reduced, but not in favor of the social sector, but in favor of the security forces. From this, draw a conclusion, whom the authorities fear more, NATO countries, to which they withdraw their stolen capital, whose economy is financed from the "reserve fund", or their own people.
        Quote: Finches
        They whine and whine, the liberals are half-white and pink half-red - it's amazing how they sang that!

        Do you think that everything is in order in our state? The economy is strengthening, the well-being of the people is growing, is the ruble getting stronger? Can you recall the "May Decrees", the "Strategy 2020", which of these projects has been implemented? Who was responsible for these shameful failures? Nobody answered, they change chairs there at their top and that's it. In your opinion, such as our state should be now, nothing needs to be changed?
        1. Finches
          Finches 6 February 2021 14: 39
          -1
          The whole question here is what and how to change! As our state, under the leadership of the GDP, resists the total economic and financial aggression of the West, the liberal opposition and the simply insane, with the constant itching of changes within the country, I am quite satisfied, despite the mistakes, but mistakes are inevitable ... I am not defending anyone, I express your point of view on what is happening - whether someone likes it or not!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 04
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            How our state under the leadership of the GDP resists the total economic and financial aggression of the West

            And let's make this quote a question. How does our state, led by the GDP, resist the total economic and financial aggression of the West? It develops the economies of NATO countries at the expense of our "reserve funds". Exports raw materials to NATO countries, instead of developing their own industry. Sells domestic enterprises to foreign corporations. Is this how our state should resist the aggression of the West?
            Quote: Finches
            I'm quite happy, despite the mistakes

            But it doesn't suit me. If your "fifth fulcrum" is warm, and your belly is full, does this mean that the country is heading in the right direction? Don't think about others? Never mind that in the country last year minus almost half a million people, this is half of Krasnodar, for example. I do not like it when pensioners collect aluminum banks from the trash heaps. I do not think that such a state policy should suit me.
            1. Finches
              Finches 6 February 2021 18: 01
              -1
              OK. This is your position and personally I have nothing against it, only I will always be against rash actions to "improve" the situation!
        2. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 20: 27
          0
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Can you recall the May Decrees, Strategy 2020, which of these projects has been implemented? Who was responsible for these shameful failures? Nobody answered, they change chairs there at their top and that's it. In your opinion, such as our state should be now, nothing needs to be changed?

          You do not follow the events in your country at all, just whine a lot, the white ribbon is a foe! and who did something? the same enemies-saboteurs like you, only led by a LADY! Good. that Putin dismissed them all, but it was necessary earlier! and if something does not suit you - start with yourself! Work. for example haven't tried it? And now it is difficult to hope for donations from Navalny. understand... wassat
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 13: 31
            0
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            You do not follow the events in your country at all, just whine a lot, the white ribbon is a foe! and who did something? the same enemies-saboteurs like you, only led by a LADY! Good. that Putin dismissed them all, but it was necessary earlier!

            While the doctor is busy, did they get to his laptop?
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            and if something does not suit you - start with yourself! Work. for example haven't tried it?

            Yes, I started with myself long ago. I work for myself, because in my region there is no work with an acceptable salary, only "by pull". I bring up, teach and treat children myself, for my own money, since in my outback there is neither a decent education, nor affordable free medicine. Yes, in order to pick up glasses for my child, I had to go to Krasnodar for almost 3 months. Is this how it should be in a welfare state? You won't dispute the fact that according to the constitution we have a welfare state?
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            And now it is difficult to hope for donations from Navalny. understand...

            It is not clear why you wrote this? Do you want to offer me money? Or are you complaining that in your liberal get-together with money it is getting worse?
            PS Let me remind you that grown-up educated people use the pronoun "you" when addressing each other. Or do you not rank yourself as such?
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 6 February 2021 11: 23
        0
        Quote: Finches
        amazing thing how they sang that

        In principle, nothing surprising. They are well fed, they have good "directors" and puppeteers. Well, Western media resources work for them.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 12: 21
          +6
          Quote: Piramidon
          In principle, nothing surprising. They are well fed, they have good "directors" and puppeteers. Well, Western media resources work for them.

          This is what you said is true only for the liberal opposition. For Platoshkin, for example, in the West, who wrote something?
          1. Genry
            Genry 6 February 2021 15: 35
            -7
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            For Platoshkin, for example, in the West, who wrote something?

            Why write for him - he is a trifle, they wiped them off and ...
            Such as he destroyed the USSR and wanted to continue this in Russia.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 15: 40
              +4
              Quote: Genry
              Such as he destroyed the USSR and wanted to continue this in Russia.

              I have a lot of questions for Platoshkin, but nevertheless substantiate your statement that Platoshkin wanted to destroy Russia.
              Quote: Genry
              Why write for him - he is a trifle, they wiped them off and ...

              A trifle or not a trifle, this is a moot point, but my question is, who, in your opinion, was it?
              1. Genry
                Genry 6 February 2021 16: 23
                -5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Who, in your opinion, did it "wipe"?

                Upstream management - i.e. its owners and customers.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 24
                  +4
                  Quote: Genry
                  Upstream management - i.e. its owners and customers.

                  Can you name its owners or customers?
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 6 February 2021 16: 27
                    -4
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Can you name its owners or customers?

                    How do you recognize customers from killers?
                    The connection is visible according to the criterion "who benefits from it".
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 30
                      +5
                      Quote: Genry
                      The connection is visible according to the criterion "who benefits from it".

                      Hailey Likely? So who benefits from the ideas that Platoshkin is promoting? Again the insidious State Department, not otherwise?
                      1. Genry
                        Genry 6 February 2021 16: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        So who benefits from the ideas that Platoshkin is promoting? Again the insidious State Department, not otherwise?

                        If it looks like a dog and barks like a dog, then it is a dog.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: Genry
                        If it looks like a dog and barks like a dog, then it is a dog.

                        There it is, Mihalych! That is, in your opinion, Platoshkin works for the State Department? Or is it something you wanted to say? Udaltsov and Shevchenko, do they work for the State Department?
                      3. Genry
                        Genry 6 February 2021 16: 37
                        -5
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        That is, in your opinion, Platoshkin works for the State Department? Or is it something you wanted to say?

                        Why are you asking again? I wrote where exactly and the names should be in the form of a list.
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: Genry
                        Why are you asking again? I wrote where exactly and the names should be in the form of a list.

                        Do you really think that the entire "left" opposition is sponsored by the State Department? Or is this sarcasm you have?
                      5. Genry
                        Genry 6 February 2021 16: 45
                        -6
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Do you really think that the entire "left" opposition is sponsored by the State Department?

                        The opposition is a part of the elite that has not occupied the governing bodies of power and is fighting for its advancement, but not to the detriment of the country's interests.
                        VaNalny's group is not an opposition - they enemies... Zyuganov's commercial party joined this group.
                      6. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 16: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Genry
                        The VaNalny group is not an opposition - they are enemies. Zyuganov's commercial party joined this group.

                        What does Navalny and Zyuganov have to do with it? What do you know about Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation?
                      7. Genry
                        Genry 6 February 2021 16: 51
                        -5
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        What does Navalny and Zyuganov have to do with it?

                        Platoshkin (member of the KP) - Zyuganov (the party of the collapse of the USSR) - VaNalny (special services ...).
                        What is not clear in this bundle?
                      8. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 6 February 2021 19: 36
                        +6
                        Quote: Genry
                        Zyuganov (party collapse of the USSR)

                        Could you tell me which party was the BB Putin and our entire ruling elite? Didn't they destroy the USSR? Can't I remind you who worked as a "portfolio carrier" for one of the main "reformers" of those times, Sobchak? And where are all these Chubais, Grefs, Medvedevs in Kolyma cutting down the forest today? Who the other day carried flowers to Yeltsin's grave and moved fiery speeches there? How did it happen that a close relative of US Secretary of State Blinkin was appointed to a responsible government position? So that you are lying, do not blame your sore head on a healthy one. Those who destroyed the USSR, they are in power today and you and you such characters will not be able to hide this unfortunate fact, today it is already obvious.
  • Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 20: 31
    +1
    Quote: Genry
    wanted to continue this in Russia.

    I'll correct it a little - excitement of the opinion of the illiterate and low-income (precisely for this reason) masses, I hoped to "catch the hype" and on this wave to break into power. but - it did not grow together. And thank God - from these cheap populists - one trouble!
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 11: 27
    +14
    Sorry gentlemen! Has boiled and got tired!
    Quote: Finches
    It is even beneficial for us somewhere that in the USA and in other no less "civilized" countries we continue to be considered the Upper Volta, but with missiles ...

    Where is it beneficial for us, so that the whole world considers us "bast shoes Russia"? In connection with what? So that no one wants to deal with the unpredictable Russian government? For the world to shy away from the Russian industry, incapable of its own "know-how", but working only on imported "how-know"? Stop pretending to be a big angry dog ​​and threaten everyone and "just about anyone." As practice has shown, even in extreme conditions we are capable of very little, and that, exclusively at the expense of the poor population.
    Quote: Finches
    And we just need to continue to bend our line!

    More details from this place, please! And then we are watching how you have been oppressing "your line" for 30 years, but so far those whose incomes are slightly higher than the minimum wage and cannot even come close to the average salary in the country are dying.
    Voice on your own account what you really want !!!
    Quote: Finches
    Here's just the problem in the fact that very inside Russia itself there are enough enemies, homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm

    Yours problem - Only (Serdyukov) works as the head of the Rostec aviation cluster:
    ... Negotiations on the supply of 40 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft with a total value of about $ 2 billion to Norwegian Air Shuttle have been "postponed to a later period," Anatoly Serdyukov, head of the Rostec aviation cluster, told RBC ...
    ... In a conversation with RBC, the head of the Rostec aviation cluster explained why it is impossible to create a supersonic business jet based on the Tu-160, as Vladimir Putin suggested ...
    ... The head of the Rostec aviation cluster, Anatoly Serdyukov, believes that a change in the country's leadership "is definitely not needed now." “It will be worse than we can imagine,” he said.

    The rest (homegrown Judas, mindless and just "I don't like his face") - everything has been fixed long ago! Navalny, Furgal, Bykov and their associates behind bars. Platoshkin must disappear under house arrest, the protesters are dispersed, Obama, Trump and their peers are out of office ... What exactly is stopping you in order to bring the country in terms of GDP per capita to the level of Spain?
    Quote: Finches
    They whine and whine, the liberals are half-white and pink half-red - it's amazing how they sang that!

    Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. Liberal is from your guarantor:
    https://ok.ru/video/2567567117022
    Putin assured - Russia will remain market, liberal
    I'm very curious, where did you get this feature of looking for enemies and stupid people everywhere? You would first check the inner circle. Or have you already ceased to get tired that “the sheep began to speak out during your meal”?
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 6 February 2021 13: 19
      +5
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I'm very curious, where did you get this feature of looking for enemies and stupid people everywhere? You would first check the inner circle. Or have you already ceased to get tired that “the sheep began to speak out during your meal”?

      Zyablitseva, recently, something completely brought in the defense of the liberal-oligarchic system, I'm wondering if everything is so good and everything is working out for us, then let Evgeny share information about the fabulous successes in the Russian economy, together we will rejoice, but for now we have the bottom complete in this area and even struck a long time ago.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 15: 35
        -8
        Quote: lis-ik
        Zyablitseva, recently, something completely skidded

        It is surprising to me not how the communications officers get in, but how they manage to write scientific papers. But this is not surprising. He was personally acquainted (in the service) with such careerists who were not even given hands: Maxim Petrovich from the comedy A.S. Griboyedov "Woe from Wit" - an actor from the school puppet theater.
      2. Genry
        Genry 6 February 2021 15: 50
        -7
        Quote: lis-ik
        Zyablitseva, recently, something completely brought in the defense of the liberal-oligarchic system, I'm wondering if everything is so good and everything is working out for us, then let Evgeny share information about the fabulous successes in the Russian economy, together we will rejoice, but for now we have the bottom complete in this area and even struck a long time ago.


        Are you a saint, do you have a perfect face? Have you ever taken anything "draw"?
        You're lying!
        You and ROSS42 and the like are manipulators.
        You are trying to reduce all your attention to small things and make a shift in the consciousness of other people there. Because there are a lot of little things (it is easier to find crime) and there are few great events.
        The production of ships, heavy equipment, transport is increasing .... Large energy and processing complexes, factories, production facilities are being built ... And you keep shouting to bend your policy towards containment and destruction.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 18: 36
          0
          Quote: Genry
          The output of ships, heavy equipment, transport is increasing ... Large energy and processing complexes, factories, production facilities are being built ...

          Really. What scoundrels! There is no limit to the indignation of interested parties!
          An interesting observation. Do you by any chance know how the GDP is growing in Russia? This is which:
          Gross domestic product, generally accepted abbreviation - GDP (GDP) - a macroeconomic indicator, reflecting the market value of all final goods and services (that is, intended for direct use, use or application) produced per year in all sectors of the economy on the territory of the state for consumption, export and accumulation, regardless of the nationality of the used production factors.

          It grows and grows. grows and grows ... Together with prices, tariffs for services, the amount of taxes and fees ... Yes, such growth would not rest against the fence. Who would deny the presence of success in some aspects of our life. Only these successes, as well as achievements, are completely invisible in comparison with failures, failures and recession.
          1. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 21: 38
            +1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Only these successes, as well as achievements, are completely invisible in comparison with failures, failures and recession.

            "Let the seeker find it!" (with). And one more thing: Man is such a creature that he is inclined to notice only that WANTS! notice. If a different "personality" No. WANTS to whine, and everywhere WANTS to see only stool, then besides them he will not see anything else! And cry out to reason such pointless - only heavy, exhausting, it is possible under protection, (of course - to avoid suicide!) lol labor for the good of the Motherland will help! So that they SEE and feel the result of their labors!
          2. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 21: 45
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Do you by any chance know how the GDP is growing in Russia?

            Certainly not thanks to your efforts! But rather even - CONTRAST!
        2. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: Genry
          The output of ships, heavy equipment, transport is increasing ... Large energy and processing complexes, factories, production facilities are being built ...

          I will add: all over Russia are being built, I would say, huge both machine-building enterprises and giants of deep gas and oil processing (whose products are in demand all over the world - polyethylene, including high molecular weight, plastics), Russia is the ONLY country in the WORLD. having on its territory a complete (and its own !!) cycle of aircraft construction and space technology. Russia is the THIRD country in the WORLD in terms of shipbuilding volumes. And also Russia is the uncontested leader in nuclear energy! And besides, Russia produces the best weapons in the world, which it equips not only its Armed Forces, but also sells it to half of the countries of the world. If you haven't forgotten ... hi drinks
        3. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 22: 16
          +1
          Quote: Genry
          You and ROSS42 and the like are manipulators.

          I will correct: not "manipulators", and employees of the 72nd CIPCO, judging by the "sadly one-sided" whining in the comments. Would have changed the training manual, poor! In Russia, EVERYTHING has long changed and STRONGLY! Compared to the "capitals of the world" in Russia, there are no beggars for a LONG time! There is nowhere to park a car in the courtyards - each family has two, at least one NEW car! Unlike the "land of the elite wassat " population our countries, for the most part, are the OWNERS of housing. Despite the "insignificant" value of the national average income, after the payment of mandatory payments, there are MANY times more money (if we take into account the real PPP-purchasing power parity) than the average representatives of the "city on the hill wassat ". Where, by the way, about 40% of the population are beggars and homeless, and there are more people in prisons than in Russia (and the Soviet Union) from the 37th to the present, in total! And at the hands of the" democratic "police every year people die as in the course of hostilities! Where "incredibly democratic laughing " "elected" President, and now one half of the country's population is ready to strangle the other ...
    2. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 6 February 2021 16: 59
      0
      “Well, of course, this is not a sum,” Woland said condescendingly to his guest, “although, by the way, you don’t really need it either. When will you die?
    3. the most important
      the most important 6 February 2021 23: 31
      +3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I'm very curious, where did you get this feature of looking for enemies and stupid people everywhere?

      Maybe he sees them in the mirror?
  • 210ox
    210ox 6 February 2021 13: 17
    +7
    About those Judas that whine, we don't even know. And they do not whine, but do their dirty deed clearly and planned. It is even possible by surname. The government is full of them. And even the Chief One admitted that he is a liberal. So finally decide who the liberals are. For me personally, this word also causes a gag reflex. Especially firsthand.
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 21: 24
      +1
      Quote: 210ox
      And even the Chief One admitted that he is a liberal.

      And it was said: "Judge not by his words, but by his works!" (c) His confession about his affiliation to the liberals was not made for you and your ears ... hi
  • lucul
    lucul 6 February 2021 13: 19
    -4
    The only problem is that there are enough enemies inside Russia itself, homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm - they say the militarized budget, you need to redirect everything to the social sphere, and it is best to abandon the army altogether and just lie under the United States, then we will heal , as in Europe ... Whine and whine, the liberals are half-white and pink half-red - it's amazing how they sang that! laughing

    Katz ALWAYS offers to surrender)))
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel 6 February 2021 14: 04
    -1
    inside Russia itself there are enough enemies, homegrown Judas or simply mindless - who whine and harm

    If only they whined, then, and do not care about them. The most important thing is that they do harm. Harm and quiet, harm and loud, harm in every way, attracting Western curators, investing money in them.
    In addition to the MiG-41, hypersound, S-500, etc. Russia's main task is to clean up the Augean stables of the liberals = liberals, who saddled the power trough in the early 90s and did not want to jump off it. If Russia can cope with this, then it can handle both the MiG-41 and the PAK YES and, in general, any state-of-the-art weapon that makes the foe grind its teeth. He will not be able to, even think about the result, and even more so, and I do not want to talk ...
    People-State-Fatherland - this is the slogan of every patriot in Russia. A strong state, a close-knit people, a prosperous Fatherland for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 6 February 2021 14: 34
      -1
      Precisely to clean out! But mind you, with this Alas! I have already written how harshly the clown in Kiev is dealing with the opposition (over which all and sundry are making fun of here), and how our government conducts splendidly about enemy mouthpieces in the country itself.
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 20: 55
      0
      Quote: The Truth
      If only they whined, then, and do not care about them. The most important thing is that they do harm. Harm and quiet, harm and loud, harm in every way, attracting Western curators, investing money in them.

      I will add: they themselves harm, and then they themselves whine - they say Putin is bad, they did not fulfill their May decrees! So the same whiners-saboteurs and prevent their implementation! I think Putin's only drawback is his gentleness. All in all, the SABOTAZHNIKOV government was dismissed ... But it should have been in the current hostile environment to manage the methods (God grant them eternal memory!), I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria!
  • MrFox
    MrFox 7 February 2021 17: 09
    0
    You have already caught this line
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 6 February 2021 11: 02
    +9
    In general, everything is correct. This topic is for decades. Whether we are, or the United States. There is no point in dreaming for the rest.
    Moreover, the level of novelty of the design is prohibitive, respectively, the degree of risk is high, therefore, hardly anyone will undertake to guarantee a positive result.
    I think it's easier to fly to the moon than to create such an airplane.
    Now, if there is funding, then, at most, research and development on one or several key topics. Moreover, in terms of assessing the feasibility of implementation, and not in terms of preparation for OCD.
    And there, more than a dozen of these topics of research and development will emerge.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 6 February 2021 12: 20
    0
    Local lackeys will definitely write them.
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 6 February 2021 13: 41
    +2
    The question is not in the creation as such, but in the rearmament of the troops. Is it the same Armata or not? And the Angara? There are reports for parades, but little sense.
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 6 February 2021 19: 59
    0
    "Can't afford such an aircraft": The United States questioned Russia's ability to develop the MiG-41
    The United States does not have such a thing, the moment is 31, and their development prospects are like f 35, in general nonsense hi
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 7 February 2021 01: 17
    -6
    I cannot understand the train of your thoughts ... What does pensions have to do with it? There are two options - either you are just used to crap, or you are an agent of the State Department. I am leaning towards the second.
  • Theodore
    Theodore 6 February 2021 09: 43
    0
    And they themselves created the same !?
    1. dauria
      dauria 6 February 2021 12: 36
      +9
      And they themselves created the same !?


      It's easier for them. Empty Alaska with F-22 airfields. F-35. Then Canada was inhabited with airfields. Fleet with planes from the sea. They have a bundle of tactical AWACS of the Hokkai type, a tanker and a pair of F-15s. And the B-21 platform will be adapted for a patrolling interceptor like our Tu-128. After all, the MiG-31 did not appear from a good life. Don't forget - this is the MiG-25P, which turned out to be unnecessary.
      And the range without refueling is not for the northern expanses. And to catch the cruise missiles themselves, dumped by the strategist at the turn - this is "sorry", already half a loss.
      It is necessary to live in the north, a bunch of airfields. And then you will not have to sculpt invisibility with a range from Tu-22, loitering time from IL-38 and speed on afterburner from MiG-25.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 6 February 2021 09: 43
    -1
    Judging by the name, this "American expert" is a "sent Cossack" who writes soothing articles for mattresses, and then on their skulls: "cartoons" turned out to be a reality, "Axes" calibers were seen in a coffin, etc. laughing
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 6 February 2021 09: 48
      0
      The author is convinced that part of the tasks that are being set for the promising interceptor being developed, called the MiG-41, will be partially transferred to the fifth generation fighter Su-57.

      I would write that there is no Su-57. That these are only cartoons. And so it only disappoints American patriots. Challenges American exceptionalism.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 6 February 2021 09: 50
        +2
        He cannot write this, since the Su-57 have already been seen more than once by exceptional satellites in Syria. And he (and his articles) should inspire public confidence. laughing
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 6 February 2021 09: 49
      +1
      Russia will not be able to create a promising long-range interception aviation complex (PAK DP) in the near future
      So the work is going well!
      Let's remember what they wrote about Putin's cartoons.
      And in general - if the Americans scold something, then everything is fine, but if they praised it ... then it is worth considering whether we are going there.
    3. Konnick
      Konnick 6 February 2021 09: 57
      -15%
      What cartoons have become reality?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 6 February 2021 10: 02
        +2
        For some, reality has become a cartoon with orcs and Mordar. Let's not point the finger.
  • loki565
    loki565 6 February 2021 09: 53
    +5
    And why is the MiG 31 bad? Put on it a new radar, new missiles and it will serve for a very long time.
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 6 February 2021 10: 39
      +4
      Unfortunately, the excellent interceptor has fatal flaws. And in the future they will be critical. The technique does not stand still. For the near future, it is still valid, but we must think ahead.
      1. victor50
        victor50 6 February 2021 20: 56
        0
        Quote: lwxx
        Unfortunately, the excellent interceptor has fatal flaws. And in the future they will be critical.

        Excuse me, but could you tell me if this, of course, is possible under the secrecy regime? True, very interesting. As an interested layman, I would also ask why the 31 not be upgraded. The Americans have F-15s - almost the same age as the 31st - remain in service, why isn't the 31st?
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 7 February 2021 12: 09
          0
          Of the shortcomings, first of all, one should highlight the low maneuverability. In close combat, this aircraft is significantly inferior to any other modern fighters. True, for the Mig 31, maneuverability characteristics were not initially considered as a priority. In addition, the cable control system is outdated for a long time, it complicates piloting and does not allow to fully realize the capabilities of automation. There are a few more .... And the F-15ex began to be produced not from a good life, the F35 and F22 never became normal vehicles, and the price bites. And more and more countries began to slow down their participation in the project.
          1. victor50
            victor50 7 February 2021 18: 46
            0
            Thanks! It wasn't really meant for close combat. Although the P-60 was suspended, I saw it in some photos. But this is ridiculous with its max overload of 5 units. and these funny rockets. I do not think that his descendant will be sharpened on maneuverability and close combat, although, as an option, such additional characteristics would not hurt at all. But the main range and range at supersonic. And yet, as far as I understand, the plane was made for Zaslon and R-33. If this equipment and weapons were replaced with modern, built on new principles, AFAR, for example, the super-powerful + P-37 (brought to mind), would the cable control system become an insurmountable barrier. Let it stay for myself - are the 31st still flying with her?
            1. lwxx
              lwxx 7 February 2021 19: 42
              0
              Nobody talks about the impossibility of modernization. But the plane itself was created for other tasks, which is why it was chosen for the "dagger". But again, the instant has some things that cannot be solved without reworking the structure, because this is a different device. An example of TU22 and TU22m.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 6 February 2021 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: loki565
      And why is the MiG 31 bad? Put on it a new radar, new missiles and it will serve for a very long time.

      This is how they do it, bringing the MiG-31 to the MiG-31BM, but this is unlikely to serve for a very long time. The resource, after all, is being developed and new machines are needed to replace it. The MiG-41 should be replaced over time by the MiG-31BM.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 6 February 2021 09: 53
    +1
    Well, since the Yankees claim that they "have created the F15EX, an analogue of the SU57," then of course they really do not want "the country of a gas station with an economy torn to shreds" to create a space debris cleaner. laughing
  • Konnick
    Konnick 6 February 2021 09: 55
    -5
    What kind of policy does our defense industry have, no horse, no cart, and we are already declaring the characteristics of non-existent weapons. Or is there no state secret now? Or is it part of propaganda?
    Whether it was earlier, what an unpleasant surprise for the enemy were the T-34, KV-1 and of course Katyusha.
    1. freddyk
      freddyk 6 February 2021 10: 22
      +5
      Quote: Konnick
      What kind of policy does our defense industry have, no horse, no cart, and we are already declaring the characteristics of non-existent weapons. Or is there no state secret now? Or is it part of propaganda?
      Whether it was earlier, what an unpleasant surprise for the enemy were the T-34, KV-1 and of course Katyusha.

      The policy of containment, we show our teeth, what would we be afraid of. Only they are afraid anyway. And they understand that Russia cannot be taken by force. Well, they have other, tried-and-true methods. Moreover, the venality of our officials is off scale. hi
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 6 February 2021 09: 56
    -10%
    In a couple of years, Putin will come out again at some kind of press conference, roll out this plane, and dumbfounded the whole WORLD, as about those 5 types of weapons that allegedly "cartoons"))
  • mark1
    mark1 6 February 2021 09: 58
    +3
    Why "can't afford ..." - can! Russia can even afford to issue a passport for sale to some Erdogan right away, so that the rest of NATO would envy and split ...
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 6 February 2021 10: 00
    -3
    "will spend on the creation of the" problematic MiG-41 "
    "This is your F35 problematic, with 900" technical sores " laughing
  • storm
    storm 6 February 2021 10: 03
    +6
    part of the tasks assigned to the promising interceptor under development, called the MiG-41, will be partially transferred to the fifth generation fighter Su-57. In addition, Russia will carry out modernization and extend the service life of the existing MiG-31 fleet until the end of the 2030s.

    This is a fairly correct prediction, since the development of a fundamentally new aviation complex takes about 20 years, both in Russia and in the United States.
  • prior
    prior 6 February 2021 10: 04
    0
    The gradual consistent modernization of the MIG-31 will ultimately make it the MIG-41.
    The result is the SU-35 from the SU-27.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 6 February 2021 10: 40
      +1
      The MiG-41 is actually a 6th generation fighter. An airplane based on new technologies from scratch. How the Su-57 was created at one time. You cannot give up the future, otherwise it will give up on you. The upgraded MiG-31BM will fly for another 10 years, but their resource is not eternal and they will still need replacement.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 6 February 2021 17: 08
      0
      It won't, the concept of flights in near space is completely different, the modernization of the MIG-31 will serve to extend its service life until the 2030s, and there the MIG-10 should catch up in 41 years!
  • askort154
    askort154 6 February 2021 10: 16
    +6
    This is the conclusion reached by military expert Pyotr Butovsky in his article for the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology.

    On February 4th there was a similar article on VO. There, the Polish "observer" wrote that Russia would not be able to build the MiG-41 due to the gap in aircraft construction with Ukraine. Just why this "diarrhea" on the VO. negative
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 6 February 2021 10: 24
    0
    Let them doubt. winked Then there will be a surprise.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 February 2021 10: 27
    +5
    I totally agree .... a niche aircraft that will not be able to carry out traditional 5th generation aircraft missions. You do not need a lot of it, respectively "Gold" for the price. And its functions will be performed by the Su57 and Su35S together with AWACS and the corresponding missile weapons.
    A lot of money - build AWACS and Su57. Pour money in and out here.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 6 February 2021 10: 36
      -4
      The MiG-41 is essentially a replacement for the Su-57, not a niche aircraft. The MiG-41 will be a 6th generation fighter. We need to start development now, as it will take a lot of time.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 February 2021 11: 12
        +8
        57th station wagon in terms of speed and aerodynamics and application ...... 41st cannot be its replacement.
    2. mark1
      mark1 6 February 2021 10: 45
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      niche aircraft that will not be able to carry out traditional 5th generation aircraft missions.

      Well, yes, in the Middle East, he has nothing to do with water, but in the battle of big uncles his niche is very large.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 6 February 2021 10: 31
    -3
    but why is there, in general, I wrote everything correctly
    1. businessv
      businessv 6 February 2021 11: 05
      -1
      Quote: _Ugene_
      but why is there, in general, I wrote everything correctly
      What is right? Americans tore off our rotary nozzle and the principle of vertical take-off from the Yak 141, which was developed back in Soviet times, but the American Pole wrote everything correctly !? smile
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 February 2021 11: 13
        +6
        KB Yak sold them the documentation.
        1. businessv
          businessv 7 February 2021 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          KB Yak sold them the documentation.

          And what does this mean? That they have the best aircraft building school? This suggests that they have more money - they print themselves as much as they need. I wanted to say that we have a lot of developments that will allow us not to start from scratch, but to apply ready-made options. And the expression "ripped from us" only says that our technologies were applied, no matter how they got them!
      2. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 6 February 2021 12: 58
        +3
        the Americans tore off our rotary nozzle and the principle of vertical takeoff from the Yak 141

        if you start to figure out who ripped what from whom, the comparison will not be in our favor, but in this case they bought the documentation from the yak and did not rip it off, and yes, the American Pole wrote everything correctly, the truth can be unpleasant
        1. businessv
          businessv 7 February 2021 12: 54
          -1
          Quote: _Ugene_
          who ripped off from whom, the comparison will not be in our favor
          What is this statement based on? Maybe they themselves developed the helicopter, and did not use Sikorsky's developments? Maybe they themselves developed nuclear weapons, and did not take the developers out of Germany? Maybe the first went into space or, by the way, developed a rotary nozzle? Quit throwing your stuff to understate our role in advanced technologies, sorry for the tautology, it looks ugly. Another thing is what and how he received for the development and how he patented it, but this is a separate topic.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 7 February 2021 23: 08
            0
            You do not go away from the topic, the "amersky Pole" wrote that rather little funds were allocated for the MiG-41, that according to publications in the Russian press, the project is in its early stages and it is not worth expecting an acceleration of work in this area in the near future, that some The tasks set for the interceptor being developed will be partially transferred to the fifth generation Su-57 fighter, which Russia will carry out modernization with the extension of the service life of the existing MiG-31 fleet until the end of the 2030s.
            And what is not true in this?
  • taiga2018
    taiga2018 6 February 2021 10: 42
    0
    We will all be able to afford it, if, through our stupidity, we do not bring a pro-Western puppet to power, and if this does happen, then we will definitely not be able to afford pensions, salaries, or benefits, and there is nothing to say about new types of weapons. ..
  • Egor53
    Egor53 6 February 2021 10: 43
    +2
    The United States also doubted the creation of Russian hypersonic missiles.
    They, miserable, still believe that everything depends on funding.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2021 11: 15
      +8
      It depends on him ....... An engineer needs to live somewhere and feed the children. And there is no ideology ... and everyone around does not live as modestly .... and GP on German machines from Hitler's time cannot be done. You have to buy them.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 6 February 2021 10: 58
    -2
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    For some, reality has become a cartoon with orcs and Mordar. Let's not point the finger.

    Gop-patriots, tell us about cartoons that have become reality, and then minus.
  • businessv
    businessv 6 February 2021 11: 01
    +2
    Current trends in the Russian economy and aviation industry indicate that Russia will not be able to afford such an aircraft.
    Who else would know and understand such things if not the American Pole Butovsky ?! smile
  • Tusv
    Tusv 6 February 2021 11: 06
    0
    Russia will not be able to create a promising long-range intercept air complex (PAK DP) in the near future due to economic problems in the country.

    Tell bourgeois genosse, does that make it easier for you? Foxhounds have not gone anywhere yet. And the thirty-first is still the best interceptor in the world and the only three flywheels. Pak DP of course will be. Yes, even in 20 years, the current situation will not change. Of course there are many of you, but A2 / AD cannot be hacked yet. Is that the "advanced" air defense of some country. Without AC-level pilots and without a younger brother - Wax air defense, any "advanced" air defense is hacked at once
  • kit88
    kit88 6 February 2021 11: 22
    +8
    Russia will spend on the creation of the "problematic MiG-41"

    Itching / bashing.
    When did the MiG-41 become problematic?
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 6 February 2021 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: kit88
      When did the MiG-41 become problematic?

      How can I move a 110 cm "plasma" diagonally past the guard without attracting his attention? Is this a problem or not?
  • Nikita Vinogradov
    Nikita Vinogradov 6 February 2021 11: 26
    0
    We already sent one Bukovsky to England ... so he engaged in debauchery and pedophilia there ... And this one there too ... So far we see that the United States does not have hypersonic weapons, nuclear missile engines and air defense comparable to the Russian one .. And only a pervert can talk about "difficulties in the Russian economy" about the period in 9 years ...
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 6 February 2021 12: 25
    -1
    Well, let them think so! There will be a surprise!
  • Maikcg
    Maikcg 6 February 2021 12: 38
    0
    And the United States itself cannot even MiG-31.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2021 13: 32
      +1
      Valkyrie could ... SR could ... ... just, not needed.
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 6 February 2021 15: 34
        -1
        Not needed? And who will intercept the Tu-160 on the distant lines over the Arctic? wassat The aircraft carriers will not reach, the deck ships will not be in time with them and will not reach the radius, Swans over the Pole will shoot back and advise the decision-making centers ..

        What was, was long and short-lived, the trees were tall, the grass was green, and the Americans were strong-willed and hard-working people. Yes, and the Valkyrie did not leave the prototype stage, we do not think. SR is nothing, expensive but nothing, even excellent =) but again, it was scrapped 20 years ago. Lost paper drawings, retired engineers. On the F22, the oxygen system is still capable of killing the pilot, and hundreds of F35s are of limited combat capability.

        A MiG-31 wanders in the sky with a Dagger at the ready.
  • Tarasios
    Tarasios 6 February 2021 13: 50
    0
    Almost all official experts sing what they have been ordered. And they order something that can affect the brains of the plebs, directing him in the right direction. Nothing new.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 6 February 2021 16: 32
    0
    An American expert to an American magazine, he made an examination there, then there is even no point in discussing it. It would be better if he examined how "dead souls" were elected by mail in a "victorious democracy" country.
  • samohin.pantelei
    samohin.pantelei 6 February 2021 17: 13
    -1
    And the Americans, in principle, can be believed. Because. Who else, if not them, know better than others the result of their 30 years of work to destroy the intellectual property of today's Russia. And everything accompanying her.

    But today's Russia, all this is no longer needed.
    She has outlived her.
    A new one. It will also step over the MiG-41. Starting right away from 51.
  • aliev58
    aliev58 6 February 2021 17: 18
    -3
    Parhaty, cannot afford to have such brains because instead of brains there is stuffed with cotton wool from pissed striped mattresses!
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 6 February 2021 18: 42
    0
    Well yes. This cannot be, because this can never be! And for the 31st, the resource will be extended, and the 41st will be built, because they will be accepted into service after military tests, and not like the F-35
  • Iris
    Iris 6 February 2021 19: 14
    0
    This is too general a statement. The author did not clarify which "trends in the aviation industry" he meant, and this is a key point for evaluating the article.
    As for "trends in the Russian economy," this is pure populism on the part of the author.
    Negative tendencies in themselves cannot be the reason for canceling the project or postponing the dates. Such a reason can only be a banal lack of money for a specific project. And this is a matter of priority.
    The money will certainly be found if this is decided, although now it is difficult to say where. With low prices for hydrocarbons and sanctions, they may redefine the priorities of promising developments.

    Another thing is that the current paradigm of the External Enemy, which has surrounded the country from all sides, dictates the primacy of defense spending over all others, primarily social ones. And this is precisely what leads to negative trends in the Russian economy, and not vice versa. In simple words, you can arm yourself so much that you won't even need an enemy - we will stretch our legs ourselves.

    The very article by Butovsky is quite interesting. The assessment of the prospects for the MiG-41 is only the first part of it. In the second part, we are talking about a project of a new generation light fighter, work on which is being carried out on an initiative basis, without government funding. Probable characteristics of the machine are given, and possible cooperation on this project with the UAE as a sponsor and customer is announced.
  • zenion
    zenion 6 February 2021 20: 22
    -1
    Russia did not have the opportunity and built a bridge to the Crimea. Russia will not be able to build, but it can create everything that will be needed for the country's security. Apparently, the United States, after Trump's rule, still cannot understand what is wrong with America and when the lethargy will pass. As if head on the asphalt. They calm themselves down. And China is also not good, so it will fly to Mars, but the Americans are not there. You can't trust anyone.
  • aries2200
    aries2200 6 February 2021 20: 48
    -1
    I remember the vumniks of Tan said that RUSSIA would create an atomic bomb no earlier than 1972 .... farted on August 29, 1949 at 7:00 am at the Semipalatinsk test site, the successful test of the first atomic bomb in the USSR took place.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 February 2021 21: 12
    -2
    Well, someone has to feed the slogan about a rusty gas station with an economy torn to shreds. Otherwise it doesn't work out kosher  wassat
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 February 2021 21: 18
    -2
    From the conclusions of Yanishevsky it is not entirely clear what problems with the engines for the interceptor could arise in Russia after the severing of ties with Ukraine? Especially considering the fact that the engines, for example, for the MiG-31 - D-30F6 - were designed in Perm. And if Russia does not have any signs of a world power, then why is the Polish leadership constantly repeating about the Russian threat? laughing "Russia is not capable of independently creating a promising long-range intercept air complex (PAK DP), known as the MiG-41," said military expert Pyotr Butovsky in the pages of the American magazine Aviation Week & Space Technology. unnatural? The newspaperVRU and LentaASRU are familiar fans ... laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 February 2021 21: 32
    -1
    Original kakahi
    Russia Researching Future Interceptor Technologies, New Light Fighters
    Russia Explores Future Interceptor Technologies, New Light Fighters (google link)
    In the United States announced the inability of Russia to create the MiG-41: Weapons: Science and technology: Lenta.ru
    Russia Researching Future Interceptor Technologies, New Light Fighters | Aviation Week Network ..... Really, the editors of the tape. Lie just needs de-helming. The good old way - with a bare ass on a bucket of boiling water.

    LARGE ON WHITE: THE EXPERT DIDN'T MAKE SUCH CONCLUSIONS AS SPECIFIED IN THE HEADER FROM THE "TAPE" OF THE BLACK WORM. A note about worms, not an expert. laughing
  • Diviz
    Diviz 6 February 2021 21: 45
    0
    I also doubt it, but the campaign is already flying.
  • Alexander Yarosh
    Alexander Yarosh 7 February 2021 01: 42
    +1
    He is largely right, with the degradation of industry and science, a poor military budget, it is difficult to afford such an aircraft ...
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 7 February 2021 02: 29
    -1
    And the USA, in turn, cannot do anything! Russia has been operating the MI-26 helicopter for years! And the Americans didn't even come close to doing anything like that! When something similar is created, it will be possible to talk about the level of US backwardness from Russia! And then even more!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 7 February 2021 05: 56
    0
    Yeah, and "Zircon" we are not able to invent, yes. And "Poseidon" more ...
  • Private61
    Private61 7 February 2021 06: 23
    -1
    The next vyser ** of the great Pshek aviation specialist, the great aviation power ** P. Butovsky. laughing
  • zenion
    zenion 7 February 2021 20: 38
    -1
    What are American prancing frogs from Calaveras. Russia can afford to do whatever it finds necessary!
  • Eug
    Eug 7 February 2021 20: 51
    0
    As for me, it is necessary to develop a "2 in 1" - a hypersonic interceptor - a naval missile carrier with a take-off weight of 52-55 tons. and load (internal or conformal) 12-14 tons. According to the scheme - a reduced twin-engine (2nd edition 30) Tu-160 with hypersonic and economical loitering capabilities.
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 8 February 2021 11: 57
    0
    He is right. it is unlikely to create from scratch, and most importantly it is not necessary. after the service life of the upgraded MiG-31s ​​is exhausted, they should be written off, and the air defense tasks should be assigned to the Su-35 and Su-30 modified for the use of long-range air-to-air missiles (recently there was a photo of the Su-35 with such)
  • Alexander P.
    Alexander P. 9 February 2021 19: 50
    0
    You have already shouted once that Putin is showing cartoons. And now you continue again, debyly.
  • Egor53
    Egor53 11 February 2021 01: 50
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    SSSS KAT ASHS KAT
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  • Glad
    Glad 12 February 2021 00: 18
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    The Ministry of Defense ordered the development of the PAK DP of the United Aircraft Corporation, quite a few funds have been allocated for this. Judging by the publications in the Russian press, the project is in its early stages and we should not expect any acceleration of work in this area in the near future.

    Strange, however, logic ... And what, there is already something to experience in the "hardware"? Everything has already been agreed with the MO, and the MO itself has finally decided on the requirements for the PAK DP? This means that "you should not expect acceleration of work."
    Have you already done all the initial research on computer models? What for now a lot of funds if the project is on early stages of development? To hit the Pole-American?
    What if engineers are bucked from all sides, then they can work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Something is doubtful ... If you bring together 9 pregnant women, the child will still not be born in a month.