The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

The Russian Kh-32 cruise missile was tested by launches from the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.

According to the source, the upgraded Tu-22M3 fired an X-32 cruise missile during the tests. A series of tests were carried out last year in order to confirm the characteristics of serial missiles, as well as to prepare missiles for tests on board the deeply modernized Tu-22M3M bombers.

The upgraded Tu-22M3 conducted several launches of Kh-32 cruise missiles, which will form the basis of the strike weapons of the modernized Tu-22M3M bomber. The shooting took place as part of periodic product testing at a military training ground. The declared combat characteristics of the missiles are confirmed, the hitting accuracy is "in the peg"

- said the source.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, the new X-32 missile is intended primarily for the destruction of aircraft carriers, therefore it is unofficially called "the killer of aircraft carriers." It is also capable of hitting ground targets with high efficiency. The deeply modernized Tu-22M3M bombers should become the standard missile carrier, to the level of which it is planned to bring the entire existing Tu-22M3 fleet. The new version of the aircraft can carry X-32 cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles.

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[Jacket in stock]

But what about "Dagger"?
Is he no longer a carrier killer?
Or will we fence the "zoo"?

There is also Zircon.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Jacket in stock

But what about "Dagger"?
Is he no longer a carrier killer?
Or will we fence the "zoo"?

So what? Except for the Dagger, nothing else is needed?
How many Daggers can I hang?
And the X-32 will fit more.
The goals are also different. Not all AUG targets. There are also smaller ones.
And there is also more than AB.
Daggers are not enough for everyone.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Victor_B

After all, goals are also different.

Those. you are for the zoo.
With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.

[mark1]

It's probably not about the "zoo" but about the fact of its appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier and began to act, then the "Dagger" came ... So for a while they will be in service in parallel.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: mark1

and upon the appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier

That's her ?

Snapshot half a year ago.

[mark1]

Quote: Bad_gr

Snapshot half a year ago.

Well?.....

[Bad_gr]

Quote: mark1

Well?.....

I thought fresh news. Here is a snapshot from 10,02,2019

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https://vvs.moscow/weapon/krylataja-raketa-h-32/

[mark1]

I don't quite understand what you mean, but the Kh-6 entered service in 32, if anything ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: mark1

I don't quite understand what you mean, but the Kh-6 entered service in 32, if anything ...

Article title

The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?

[mark1]

Quote: Bad_gr

What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?

Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: mark1

Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?

Now it is clear. Thank you for the clarification.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Bad_gr

What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?

Everything is written in the article: "The shooting took place as part of periodic product tests at a military training ground."
For each weapon model there are corresponding documents, which specify the frequency of tests during production and being in service, the scope of tests and the number of samples.
So these tests of X-32 missiles are definitely not the last.

[hydrox]

I see the people want to show off their knowledge, but they are also completely indifferent that this is a weapon for fighting targets of a different class, placed on carriers with significantly different performance characteristics and having different deployment locations ...

[Sergey Sfiedu]

And you do not hesitate, educate the people, what are the different goals of the "Dagger" and the X-32. And about the carriers - it was almost officially announced that the "Dagger" after testing on the MiG-31 will be used on the Tu-22m3.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

And I, too, do not want to argue over the subtleties, but I am VERY pleased that the possibilities of application are expanding, and the safety of the carrier is increasing!
I believe that Air Force professionals understand the issue better than VO experts and know what they are doing!

[alexmach]

and upon the appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier

How did it appear before, if it is only now being tested?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Victor_B

After all, goals are also different.

Those. you are for the zoo.
With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.

The Tu-22M3M is not suitable for launching the Dagger, because in terms of its performance characteristics it is not a MiG-31K. The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, reaching the drop point in a matter of minutes , already begins its autonomous movement. Tu-22M3M will not be able to do this, especially if you want to hang not one Dagger on it, but for example 4.
For Tu-22M3M, lighter GZUR are suitable, for launching which the carrier aircraft does not have to accelerate to supersonic. So as you put it, the rocket zoo is needed purely for technical reasons. To launch the same X-32, the carrier aircraft does not need to accelerate to supersonic speed.

... "Dagger" is designed to destroy land and sea targets. The MiG-31 long-range supersonic all-weather fighter, created by the MiG RSK back in the Soviet Union and put into service in 1981, was chosen as the carrier. Foxhound (translated as "Foxhound"), as it is called in the West, is a veteran of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, however, in terms of its speed and altitude characteristics, it is still unique.

The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, having reached the drop point in a matter of minutes, begins its autonomous movement. Nuclear and conventional warheads are delivered to the target at a distance of up to 2 km. At the same time, it can deliver a serious blow to the enemy without entering his zone, which is seriously protected by an air defense-missile defense system. Due to such high performance characteristics of the MiG-31, a hypersonic missile with low radar signature and high maneuverability of the Kinzhal complex has no analogues in the world.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5088118

[Alex777]

TTX missiles Kh-32

Length - 11,65 m
Wingspan - 3 m
Case Diameter - 0,92 m
Height - 2,44 m
Weight - 5780 kg
Maximum speed - up to 5400 km / h
Flight altitude - 1000-40000 m
Range - 600-1000 km
https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/chto-predstavlyaet-soboj-novaya-protivokorabelnaya-krylataya-raketa-h-32/

[voyaka uh]

"can easily climb to a height of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h," ///
---
This is all without the Dagger. With conventional explosive rockets.
The dagger is very heavy. The interceptor turns into a bomber.
Neither 25 km nor 3000 km / h will work.

[olegactor]

Those. you are for the zoo.

why don't you go to the mattress mats with such a question ... they have helicopters, for example, a whole menagerie ... or the liberal yotika does not allow

[3danimal]

Strong percussion - only Apache. We have 2 of them.
(Cobra is like our Mi-24)
Tank only Abrams. We have 3 of them ..
BMP - only Bradley.

[Klingon]

no need to clown around, the Dagger is a stratospheric missile and is used from the MiG-31, the X-32 is a low-altitude cruise missile, the tactics of use are completely different, if the X-47 overcomes the AUG air defense on hypersound, then the X-32 "sneaks up" to the AUG on low closer and then makes a "slide"

[3danimal]

Nothing like this. X-32 is a faster and higher-altitude modification of the X-22. Flies high all the way and dives towards the target.
Yakhont can sneak up, at the cost of a noticeable reduction in the launch range.

[Klingon]

Oh, Sori, I mistook the Caliber, the Kh-32 is really a high-altitude, stratospheric rocket. but the X-47 is still faster, it just needs overclocking, for which the MiG-31 is used

[3danimal]

Acceleration is not required for her (she has solid propellant rocket), but launching from an aircraft increases the range.

[Santa Fe]

The X-32 will fit more.

The starting mass of the Dagger is 3-4 tons, like Iskander

The launch weight of the X-32 is 5-6 tons (based on the characteristics of the previous X-22)

How many daggers can be hung

Based on the mass difference, then more

[URAL72]

"If we proceed from the difference in masses, then more"
The difference in masses is not important. The main thing is the suspension units are able to withstand such a weight. So more than three won't work anyway.

[Orange bigg]

Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier aircraft needs to accelerate to supersonic speed by taking off with a payload mass of 4 Daggers (12-15 tons) to an altitude of at least 20 km, which is impossible for technical reasons. Take a look at the performance characteristics of the Tu-22M3M with regards to acceleration with such an assumed load of 12-15 tons, and even at supersonic. When launching the Kh-32 Tu-22M3M, there is no need to accelerate to supersonic.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: OrangeBigg

Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier plane needs to accelerate to supersonic

Why go supersonic? The "Dagger" has a rocket engine, not a ramjet, so it makes no difference what speed the carrier has. At least from a place.
Another question is that the MiG-31 can very quickly deliver this missile to the launch site (to the point where the missile has enough fuel to reach its target)
Where am I mistaken?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: OrangeBigg

Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier plane needs to accelerate to supersonic

Why go supersonic? The "Dagger" has a rocket engine, not a ramjet, so it makes no difference what speed the carrier has. At least from a place.
Another question is that the MiG-31 can very quickly deliver this missile to the launch site (to the point where the missile has enough fuel to reach its target)
Where am I mistaken?

You are wrong. After all, it is known that the inclusion of hypersonic engines of the Dagger rocket occurs at supersonic speed, to which the Dagger rocket must be accelerated by the MiG-31K carrier aircraft.

.Leonkov noted that in the USSR there were simply no such engines that could accelerate the MiG-31 to such speeds. The country did not have such technologies. However, now Russian engineers have everything they need. In particular, experts from the Perm Motor Plant are working on the required engine, Leonkov assured. In other words, this development will allow the MiG-31 to accelerate to a hypersonic speed of Mach 6.

If this happens, the Dagger will also increase its effectiveness. The hypersonic missile does not pick up a maximum speed of Mach 10 (12 km / h) immediately. The inclusion of hypersonic rocket engines occurs at supersonic speed.

Up to this point, the rocket must be accelerated. In order not to use special accelerators, instead of them, in fact, the MiG-31 itself acts. This allows you to significantly reduce the size of the rocket and its weight. Experts believe the Dagger will be quite expensive. Its price will be higher than for cruise missiles, but less than for intercontinental missiles. The approximate cost of the hypersonic Dagger can be compared to the cost of the Iskander.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/smp/giperzvukovoi-rubej-istrebitel-mig31-s-raketoi-kinjal-smojet-razgoniatsia-do-7000-kmch-5aa6281b9d5cb38b50155737

[Bad_gr]

Quote: OrangeBigg

in order not to use special accelerators, instead of them, in fact, the MiG-31 itself acts. This allows one to significantly reduce the size of the rocket and its weight.

I completely agree with this.
And here

The inclusion of hypersonic rocket engines occurs at supersonic speed

it is not clear: why a rocket engine needs supersonic to launch? If there was a direct-flow on it, then there are no questions.

[Orange bigg]

All questions to the creators of the Dagger. Most likely, they save fuel for a lighter rocket and therefore not much fuel, therefore, to achieve a long range, the rocket is accelerated using the MiG-31K.

[alexmach]

You are wrong. After all, it is known that the inclusion of hypersonic engines of the Dagger rocket occurs at supersonic speed, to which the Dagger rocket must be accelerated by the MiG-31K carrier aircraft

Who knows how and how? What other hypersonic engines in an aerobalistic rocket then?

[3danimal]

The speed of the aircraft at the time of launch directly affects the range of the rocket.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Check out the range at which the MiG-25RB threw bombs. The use of the MiG-31K as the first stage for the air-based Iskander, that is, the Dagger, gives about the same increase in range. The magnitude in comparison with the missile range is negligible, so replacing the MiG-31 with the Tu-22m3 will not significantly affect the range of the "Dagger".
And in general, reviving a 60-year-old liquid-propellant missile in the new century (the X-32 is just an upgrade of the antediluvian X-22) is complete absurdity or despair. As soon as the "Dagger", "Zircon" and / or "GZUR" (I hope the GZUR is just an aviation "Zircon") are finished, the place of the X-32 will only be in the landfill. Yes, and the need for "Dagger" in the light of the success of "Zircon" is coming to naught.

[3danimal]

I'm not saying that the Kh-32 is a standing missile.
I see the dagger as relevant as an aeroballistic RIAC.
With Zircon, there are questions with regards to its engine and, accordingly, a number of characteristics (it is very likely that it does not have a scramjet engine).
Better focus on Calibers, IMHO. Ground, air, sea launch.
Carry out the same tests of the 3M-54E with a supersonic stage.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"With Zircon, there are questions regarding its engine and, accordingly, a number of characteristics (it is very likely that it does not have a scramjet engine)" - without a scramjet engine it would hardly have reached the declared characteristics and at the same time fit into the "Caliber" cell.

[Klingon]

Can't a ramjet engine be rocket? maybe called ramjet. while the Kh-32 has a liquid-propellant engine

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"Can't a ramjet engine be a rocket engine?" - can not.

[Klingon]

that is, a ramjet engine cannot be put on a rocket like that?

[3danimal]

Not. The rocket one receives the oxidizer from its own reserves, the direct-flow one - from the atmosphere.

[Bad_gr]

I will add not in essence (rocket - direct-flow), but in design.
On our cruise missiles with a ramjet engine, sometimes a starting solid fuel engine is inserted into the combustion chamber of a ramjet engine, which takes up all the free space of the chamber. The rocket starts and accelerates on it, when it completely burns out, the engine is thrown out of the ramjet chamber, the ramjet is turned on.
Due to this constructive solution, it is possible to shorten the length of the rocket.

[Klingon]

the only person who explained sensibly and clearly

[alexmach]

to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier aircraft must accelerate to supersonic

But where did you get this information from?

[Bad_gr]

X-32 cruise missile

weight ------------------------ 5800 kg
Warhead -------------------------- 500 kg
length ----------------------- 12 m
wingspan ---------- 3 m
speed --------------- Mach 3,5-4,6
---------------------- (from 4000 to 5400 km / h)
ceiling -------------------- 40km

[Orange bigg]

The X-32 is 2 times heavier than the Dagger, but for its launch it is not necessary to accelerate the carrier aircraft to supersonic at high altitude.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

And "Dagger" is not necessary. "Iskander" starts from zero speed and altitude.

[alexmach]

And the X-32 will fit more.

And still not enough. It is not clear why to fence a vegetable garden with this X-32. We need a smaller rocket, suitable for all types of aircraft in service with naval aviation, and unified with other anti-ship missiles.

[3danimal]

Exactly
I suppose it got from the old days, when different design bureaus lobbied for each of their products, and the military was given any money (the rest was on a leftover basis).

[BARKAS]

And here the Dagger is another medium for him, we not only TU-22 can be used, there must be other means.

[3danimal]

The answer is simple, I think. Each office lobbies for its product.
By the same principle, we now have two modern attack helicopters at once.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

More good and different ones.

[3danimal]

With a military budget 12 times less than that of the United States and 5 times less than that of China.
The best way to complicate logistics and increase product prices. But all the design bureaus have a bunch of caviar ...

[Victor_B]

Tu-22M3 are being improved.
Weapons for them too.
And rightly so!

[3danimal]

The problem of the Kh-22/32 is in an extremely high-altitude flight path. She will be seen at a great distance to the target.
Another problem with long-range anti-ship missiles is target designation.
The military offered to use the Il turboprop (650 km / h) for this.

[sivuch]

Do you think there will be no measures to reduce the ESR? I guess there will be.
There will probably be an electronic warfare station too.

[3danimal]

I guess there will be

Small at best (if there are RPMs). The shape is definitely not "stealth" (compare with LRASM).
The electronic warfare station will complicate interception, but the AFAR is very resistant to them.

[sivuch]

So I'm comparing. There is no VZ mouth, the planes are much smaller (and their sweep is much larger), the radar antenna can be covered while it is not working. So the frontal RCS will be much smaller.
And an electronic warfare station is a thing in itself, we do not even know in what range and against what it works.
For example, RV ZUR or VV - Allah knows him how stable he is there.

[3danimal]

All sources note that it is very stable.
And against electronic warfare, and against dipole reflectors.

[Magic archer]

I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct, well, and thirdly, they are also not fools and they will not be allowed to approach the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Magic Archer

I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct,

Think you haven't thought about it?
That is, first they made a rocket, and then they began to think about everything else?

[3danimal]

So they just keep doing it.
In Soviet times, the Central Control Department was issued by the Tu-95RTs fleet. There was an attempt with the satellite "Legend", but unsuccessful (it was necessary to maintain a constellation of dozens of satellites, with a reactor on board, flying low and rapidly converging from orbit).
In one of the recent statements, it was said that the Il-20 could be used to issue target designation. Good luck, as they say ...
About Liana: there are 4 satellites now. And the Russian Federation is not among the leaders in terms of the number of satellite constellations.
So you will have to rebuild the scout fleet.

[Errr]

There are no questions at all.

Quote: Magic Archer

I wonder how the AUG will be searched.

System MKRTS "Liana", "Sunflowers", AWACS aircraft to help us.

Quote: Magic Archer

Secondly, how to direct ...

Again MKRTs "Liana", GLONASS, satellite communication system "Gonets", etc. to help.

Quote: Magic Archer

... in the third, there are also no fools and they won't let you get close to the aircraft carrier.

And you won't have to approach. We shoot from a distance of 600-1000 km, without entering the AUG air defense zone.

[Rushnairfors]

X32 does not fly for a thousand kilometers, even close, it hardly reaches 600, and even then under certain conditions, so a flight to AUG is a one-way flight, according to KUG, DesO anyone can still, but on an aircraft carrier ... If only the fighters will tightly cover, and the IAPs on our same DV, the cat cried

[U-58]

Why isn't she flying 1000?
Even Wikipedia says that it flies.
I don't think the range is exaggerated there. Rather the opposite

[Rushnairfors]

Well, I kind of have a direct relationship to Long-Range Aviation and Tu22m3 specifically, I fly this type, I myself did not start up the x32, but my colleagues have already started it up, plus we regularly have testers, representatives of Tupolev, etc. etc. we communicate with them, so believe me, I know what I'm writing about.

[U-58]

I will believe it. Analysts from the US naval intelligence service, who are here, are constant observers (((

[Rushnairfors]

Back in the early 90s, these analysts thoroughly studied both Tu22 and Tu95 and Tu160, which remained in Ukraine after the collapse of the Union, and they have also known approximate TTD x32 for a long time.

[Errr]

Quote: Rushnairfors

X32 does not fly for a thousand kilometers, even close, it can hardly reach 600, and then under certain conditions ...

"With difficulty" it reached 600 km X-22, and its reincarnation X-32 "barely" reaches 1000 km.

[Rushnairfors]

Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

[Bez 310]

Quote: Rushnairfors

And who let her at such a distance?

The sofa theorist read the performance characteristics of the missile on Wiki,
without delving into the differences between missiles, and does not understand that
we are talking about the PSI version, where the flight range
limited only by the amount of fuel.

[Tusv]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

I'll give you a hint In peacetime, you cannot shoot AUGs, but you can train on cats. The last time three regiments were transferred to the Far East, but what about AUGs? One for repairs, the other for Australia, and Trump called Eun a good man. What year was that?

[lucul]

Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

Pfff .... if Zircon was allowed to reach a distance of only 450 km, this does not mean that Zircon is not capable of reaching 1000 km))).
1000 km is exactly the distance from which you can safely launch rockets at the AUG.

[Rushnairfors]

Zircon is still in testing, and x32 is already at rest in our SIS, practical launches are carried out annually both at sea and at ground targets, the missile was put into service, if its range coincided with the range declared in Vick, would we really be talking about it did not know?

[lucul]

if its range coincided with the range declared in Vick, would we really not know about it?

In order for its range to coincide, target designation must be issued for 1 km. To do this, you need to either use a satellite or an AWACS aircraft. At worst, use Orion, although its range is small. And so, the missile hits the target out of sight? It is amazing, that is, it is able to work from external target designation. And what kind of target designation - at 000 km or 150 km, does not play a special role - the main thing is that the rocket can confirm this flight range.

[Rushnairfors]

What makes you think that she uses an external control center?

[3danimal]

Because her radar seeker sees the target from a maximum of 100 km (if we are talking about AUG).

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Herrr

"With difficulty" it reached 600 km X-22, and its reincarnation X-32 "barely" reaches 1000 km.

The X-32 (compared to the X-22) has a smaller warhead (500 kg, on the X-22 - 900 kg) due to which the fuel supply is increased. And there is a more powerful and economical engine. The stated range is 600-1000 km. Apparently, it depends on the flight altitude, but normally it is 30-40 km.

[Errr]

I agree with you.
All of the above you would describe better to Rashneirfors (Dmitry), who asked:

Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

I am just not against the fact that in the latter version it is able to overcome 1000 km to the target due to the increased fuel supply and, possibly, its more rational use.

[Rushnairfors]

Errr, I don't need to explain anything, thanks. Over a glass of tea, I would explain to you myself, and tell you a lot of interesting things, but here on the site I cannot write everything I know, I am a military man and therefore I write only in general phrases, and then only because I am sure: the same Americans are well aware of the possibilities KRV tu22 and approximate performance characteristics x32 (thanks to fraternal Ukraine), but even in this case I am not writing about the maximum ranges of launches, their number, success, types of targets, ranges on which launches are performed, so it's up to you whether you believe me or not your choice

[Rushnairfors]

I partly agree, 32 more flight programs, there is a program in which a flight is performed on BT, while the Dpuska increases, but this is a mode for ground stationary targets, a different mode is used for sea targets, there the range is shorter

[3danimal]

The X-32 always flies along an altitude trajectory.
Combined is about Onyx or Caliber.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Rushnairfors

and IAPs on the same DV, the cat cried

And from other places we will not be able to pull up in any way?
Yes, and AUG will not suddenly turn out to be near our shores, it will be time to pull up strength

[Rushnairfors]

Of course you can, only here and in the west everything was dispersed. Just imagine for a moment: we have only 5 regiments of fighter aviation from the Urals to Kamchatka, 5 !!!! Into a vast territory. In the west, I am now at a loss to tell you the exact number, but about 15, together with naval aviation. And I think that in the case of full-scale databases, they will be behind the eyes at their places of work, what do you think? And they are unlikely to be sent to colleagues in the Far East to help

[Tusv]

Quote: Rushnairfors

we have only 5 regiments of fighter aviation from the Urals to Kamchatka, 5 !!!!

A. But the peasants do not know. There is one aviation regiment for each air defense brigade and one special regiment for three brigades. Do you think so simply Karl Wilson he turned Our shores away?

[Tusv]

Quote: Rushnairfors

only here and in the west everything was dispersed

Why don't you take into account the air defense and naval aviation, while adding the American ILC aviation in numbers? You think who accompanies Our President. Naval aviation

[Rushnairfors]

And this is just the air defense aviation and the fleet all taken together.

[hydrox]

And where will such a number of enemy strike forces come from so that dozens of fighter regiments will have to be held against them in the vastness of Siberia and the Far East?
Fly to your health, build a career, only let specially trained people who have graduated from the AGSH be engaged in strategies.

[3danimal]

AUG can travel 1000 km per day.

[Lipchanin]

And how much is the bomber?

[3danimal]

This is a question of the suddenness of the appearance of AUG.
Do you offer to patrol with bombers? The range of their radars is much inferior to shipborne and AWACS aircraft.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rushnairfors

exterminators

Diction defects?

[Rushnairfors]

No, diminutive, and in your time fighters were not called that

[3danimal]

Our fighters will be able to cover tightly if the AUG commander goes crazy and drives AB close to the shore. Closer than 2000 km will definitely not work.
Moreover, in compliance with radio camouflage measures, the course will also change frequently.
There were exercises (US Navy) near Kamchatka in the first half of the 80s, very indicative.

[Volder]

Quote: Rushnairfors

X32 does not fly a thousand kilometers, even close,

If a rocket has not been tested for 1000 km, this does not mean at all that it does not fly such a distance. It was simply equipped with less fuel. ICBMs, "Zircon" and other missiles are also tested (not at full range).

[Bez 310]

Quote: Herrr

System MKRTS "Liana", "Sunflowers", AWACS aircraft to help us.

Apparently, you do not understand anything in this matter,
and this is what allows you to judge so categorically
about very serious issues.
The issues of the CU for the RCC on this resource have already been discussed,
and it was concluded long ago that the
systems "can not in" CU on NK for RCC.
But you keep telling your opinion, it's the same
very interesting.

[Volder]

Quote: Bez 310

The issues of the control center for the RCC have already been discussed on this resource, and it has long been concluded that the systems you listed "cannot in" the control center for the NDT for the RCC.

An exact control center is not needed, because target acquisition range for the seeker - 300 km. It is enough just to know the approximate target area.

[Sanguinius]

And what is the viewing angle of this seeker, or do you think that the range for the seeker is enough !? This ship can be located in the intended area anywhere, anywhere ... and if the seeker cannot find the target ship ... it turns out to fly into milk!

[Volder]

Quote: Sanguinius

And what is the viewing angle of this seeker, or do you think that the range for the seeker is enough !? This ship can be in the intended area anywhere, anywhere ...

Actually, the rocket maneuvers during flight. In the process of maneuvers, the seeker looks in different directions, i.e. the viewing angle becomes large.

[Sanguinius]

The missile performs maneuvers to overcome the air defense order, and not to scour and search for a target.

[Volder]

Quote: Sanguinius

The missile performs maneuvers to overcome the air defense order, and not to scour and search for a target.

Excellent! 2 hares are killed at once.

[Sanguinius]

How, if at the time of the anti-aircraft maneuver, the missile seeker is already aimed at the target and flies towards it!
And what you say is called a search for targets for the seeker by yawing ... a rocket cannot do this! So stop talking nonsense!

[sivuch]

For the X-35 and Onyx they give a sector of 45 degrees. Specifically for the X-32 - I don't know. For some reason, I think not less. At the same time, for the same Onyx, Dobn is about 50 km along the destroyer.
This is not counting the fact that GOS are usually active-passive. Will the entire AUG turn off its radar?

[sivuch]

Dear anonymous minus. Maybe you will write what specifically you did not like in my answer? or do you have other information?

[Bez 310]

Quote: Volder

It is enough just to know the approximate target area.

I am glad that more and more "specialists"
comes to this resource. Keep going
please us with information about ways
Central control and guidance of anti-ship missiles at first hand.

[Volder]

You were told: the anti-ship missile is aimed at the target with the help of its own seeker. To determine the area where to shoot, airborne aircraft radars, ground-based radars, satellites, AWACS aircraft, as well as civilian ships that can "knock" about the passage of the AUG by, are used.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Volder

You were told: the anti-ship missile is guided to the target using its own seeker.

Sorry for the importunity, but I want to clarify
the next question is how "own GOS"
finds out where the aircraft carrier is and where the supply vehicle is
with corner reflectors on the deck?

[hydrox]

A UAV came running and highlighted the target!

[dauria]

that's how "own GOS"
finds out where the aircraft carrier is and where the supply vehicle is
with corner reflectors on the deck?

Just like a flock of ancient Granite rockets. They recognized by signature, counted the probabilities, distributed among themselves, even chose the leader among themselves.
The old X-22 with APG is simpler. But they were also sent in not one, but a bunch and along different trajectories - top and bottom. And the Tu-22m regiment was not enough for this business. So half a century has passed.
You have a high-speed television camera in the mouse of your computer with a tracking system for the "picture" of the rug. The same as the seeker of the Kh-29 missile.

[Bez 310]

Quote: dauria

Just like a flock of ancient Granite rockets.

Let's go without any flocks, but just
let's talk about one X-32 missile.
So how does she identify the right target?

[dauria]

So how does she identify the right target?

I do not know. If I knew, I wouldn't say that either.
There are ways, and more than one. From modern methods of analysis of radar signals to combined heads, up to television. Plus a probabilistic assessment of the nature of the construction, movement, activity of radio equipment. In short, what is now called AI.
Computers distinguish a masked man in a train station crowd - and you won't surprise anyone.

[sivuch]

Identifies by comparing with the library of images. Have you heard about this?

[Bez 310]

Quote: sivuch

comparing with the image library

What images?
Couldn't it be more specific - what kind of images they are,
how many of them, in what way were obtained?
I seem to be very behind in RCC issues,
so help catch up.

[sivuch]

Now I can’t attach a direct link, so for now it’s like this - defense. Alexander Brain article The best defense is a blow. There about LRASM in some detail, incl. comparing goals with benchmarks. There is also an interesting article on the same site of 5 generations of GOS pkr, where about the GOS of granite. And I can't attach conversations in the smoking-room with lads from department 51 - the recorder has broken down. And a lot. of those conversations remained just conversations

[Bez 310]

Quote: sivuch

I can't attach

That is, nothing about the "image library"
in the GOS X-32 you cannot explain, and then,
what did you write about it, it's all yours
speculation? Clear...

[sivuch]

https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2017/0324/214221015/detail.shtml
In addition to the combined inertial-satellite guidance unit, a radar seeker, tracking moving objects, and an optoelectronic system have been introduced. In the memory of the onboard computer there is a whole archive of "images" of ships of potential adversaries in different angles, so that the missile hits exactly the target it needs.
Do you want similar information about x-32? in 30 years I will definitely inform you.
Until then, about granite
https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/defense/2012/1016/19249412/detail.shtml
To combat aircraft carrier formations, the Granit missile system was created in the 70s of the last century. To increase its efficiency, a third-generation seeker was implemented in the on-board automatic control system (BASU). The seeker made it possible to carry out target distribution and target designation in a missile salvo without an operator. This function, associated with the complex logic of target selection against the background of interference, as well as with the assessment of the compliance of targets with specified characteristics, was implemented in an on-board digital computer (PCVM), performed for the first time on integrated circuits
After the launch, the seeker for the "Granit" anti-ship missile system independently searches, selects and selects the target of the strike, as well as evaluates the parameters of targets with subsequent capture and homing at the selected target. In the radio technical part of the GOS, a multichannel (active-passive) radar sight was created, which, working in a passive mode (radio silence

[Bez 310]

Quote: sivuch

Do you want similar information about x-32?

I already understood everything, you don't know anything about the Kh-32,
and write only your speculations here.

[sivuch]

I also understood - you also do not know anything about the Kh-32 (as well as about elementary politeness) and you judge by products that are 50 years old. And the requirement to provide information about the Kh-32 is outright demagoguery. It is clear that no one will write this. It has already been written about Granite - also with an assessment of the compliance of goals with the specified characteristics, it was implemented in an on-board digital computer (BTsVM), i.e. even then the on-board computer was compared with the given characteristics.

[Bez 310]

Quote: sivuch

about Kh-32 you also do not know anything

Nobody here knows anything about her,
but I'm not trying to show that to me
something is known about her.
Politeness? Is it you that your
trying to look like a specialist to me
didn't like it? What's wrong with that?
Just what you pretend to be like
specialist "where you are not.
Why do you need this? You grow in your own
eyes? Tie, not in kindergarten ...

[sivuch]

You asked what a library of images is - I answered with the example of LRASM.
At the same time, this is the answer to the question - how the GOS will distinguish AB from an ordinary dry cargo ship with corner reflectors. GOS Granita was still able to do this. Yes, I worked only in the 33rd department of the Northern Bureau, but of course I also talked with the guys from the 51st department.

[Bez 310]

Quote: sivuch

You asked what a library of images is - I answered with the example of LRASM.

Thank you.
I am absolutely not interested in your place of work,
I've never worked anywhere, and nothing, I live ...
Sorry, but about the device of foreign missiles, I can
read it myself.

[3danimal]

In the memory of the onboard computer, there is a whole archive of "images" of ships of potential enemies in different angles, so that the missile hits exactly the target it needs.

There are questions about the quality of these "images" of goals. How many kilobytes was Granite's memory capacity ?? Comparing with "Agat" 1983 (the year of adoption of Granite) - 140-760 kb. Fiction

[3danimal]

target acquisition range at the seeker - 300 km

Why not 1000 km? Put any number, which is more convenient
In reality - about 70 km in a large ship. AB will see from 100 km, Perhaps.

[Volder]

Quote: 3danimal

In reality - about 70 km in a large ship. AB will see from 100 km

No, it’s not. The X-32 flies across the sky, so it sees from above much farther than the radio horizon. Your desire to belittle the capabilities of Russian weapons looks frivolous.

[sivuch]

And you can find out where such convincing conclusions were made? And I myself read the discussion. There was no evidence.

[3danimal]

System MKRTs "Liana"

Their 4 satellites can view the entire Earth in real time?

GLONASS

This does not work for targets moving at sea.

satellite communication system "Gonets"

Have you decided to just list everything?

AWACS aircraft

A-50U only 4 pieces. Each AB has 4 E-2D AWACS aircraft with the best characteristics (AFAR radar).
There are 5 more old A-50s (not modernized), but their radar for sea targets is inferior to the Tu-22M3.

We shoot from a distance of 600-1000 km, without entering the AUG air defense zone.

2 AWACS aircraft (out of 4) are patrolling in threatened directions at a distance of 300 km from the AUG. A group of bombers will be seen from 500+ km.
Fighter jets will patrol in the proposed directions of attack, changing regularly.
Bombers without cover (and AUG will never come close to the coast) will be helpless under attack.
The bottom line is that such an attack will have a high cost.
There is no war without losses, many people forget.

[Volder]

Quote: 3danimal

Their 4 satellites can view the entire Earth in real time?

You don't need to look at the whole land

Bombers without cover (and AUG will never come close to the coast) will be helpless under attack.

What makes you think that our bombers will be without cover ?? Does Russia have no fighters?

The bottom line is that such an attack will have a high cost.

One bomber is cheaper than a ship. The number of pilots is also less than the crew on the ship. Therefore, an adversary who decides to attack Russia will have a high price.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Magic Archer

and thirdly, they are also not fools and they won't let you get close to the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers

Let's say the range of the X-32 is 1000 km. A possible option is 1200 or more (i.e. the aircraft is not included in the range of the carrier-based aircraft of the American aircraft carrier.
The range of the F-35B is 865 km. As for the means of destruction:

Since 2017, Lockheed Martin Corporation has been developing a promising long-range air-to-air missile in the United States, the AIM-260 JATM, which is being created as a response to the Russian R-37M and the Chinese PL-15. According to the plans of the US military department, tests of the AIM-260 should begin in 2021, and full-scale purchases - from 2026 fiscal year.

[Ross xnumx]

Can add:

[Rushnairfors]

The radius of action of f35 is greater than the launch range of the X32, I am already silent about the x22, but they are now the basis of weapons for the Tu22, 32e can only be launched from the "short story" and they are in the ranks ... This is such a harsh reality

[mark1]

Quote: Rushnairfors

32e is possible only from the "short story"

My friend, are you by any chance working in the service of Greyhound Merin?

[Rushnairfors]

No, state the essence of your comment, if not difficult

[carstorm 11]

The radius of action and the launch range were compared?) Seriously? I'm even afraid to ask what exactly do you have to do with long-range aviation ... you know I hope that the range from the range is somewhere between 0,35- 0.4?))) The rocket does not need to return)))

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Rushnairfors

The radius of the f35 is greater than the launch range of the X32

This is what you put on? Do you know the brand of aircraft for aircraft carriers? Not just an F-35, but an F-35B ...

Quote: Rushnairfors

This is such a harsh reality

The harsh reality is that people like you don't need to prove anything.
Therefore, you can go to your minuses like a Koch wand, and the X-32 (and similar products) will be an unsurpassed weapon against American AUGs at a range of up to 1500 km. While tests and checks are underway. This is what worries the American warriors. They are churning out aircraft carriers, the price of which in a real battle will be equal to 3-4 X-32 launches.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: ROSS 42

Do you know the brand of aircraft for aircraft carriers? Not just an F-35, but an F-35B

US aircraft carriers now have 2 types of F-35C fighters with a combat radius of 1140 km and F / A-18E / F with a combat radius of 1100 with 3 PTBs.
F-35B is a short takeoff and vertical landing aircraft, is in service with the ILC, the US Navy has nothing to do with it.

[lucul]

US aircraft carriers now have 2 types of F-35C fighters with a combat radius of 1140 km and F / A-18E / F with a combat radius of 1100 with 3 PTBs.

No no no ))))
Only one thing, or PTB or outboard missiles))))

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: lucul

or PTB or outboard missiles

[lucul]

))))
The first photo fully reflects the whole picture. The F-18 can actually carry 8 missiles on board. And with outboard tanks, only one medium-range air-to-air missile, or a couple of missiles, but short-range))))

[3danimal]

Nothing like this. Dual (triple) missile holders are used. So in any case - 4 rockets under the wings and 2 at the tips.
Can be all AIM-120.
In your photo, 4 (!) Pylons for weapons and wingtips are free.
So you can take 8 missiles (double holders on the pylons closest to the center), with a combat radius of 1200 km without refueling.
(And deck refuelers are available)

[3danimal]

F-35V range - 865 km

"Oh, how convenient"
On AB there will be F-35S with a combat radius of 1140 km (without PTB and air refueling).
E-2D and F-35S patrols are on duty in threatened areas.
I drew attention to the latest videos of the preparation of aircraft (Navy, US Air Force) for the launch - they were all equipped with AIM-120D. (I suppose this is the advantage of a large budget - there are no problems with the purchase and re-equipment of ammunition).

[URAL72]

Searching for an aircraft carrier is getting easier as technology is developing. You don't need to come close. With the alliance, there was such a tactic: - first, the X-22 is sent to the center of the order, and the YaBG in the air is undermined at the closest possible distance. Do you know the striking factors? Electromagnetic radiation? Panic? 250 kt is not a joke, Hornet can simply turn on the HYDRO location mode ... And then break through and hit the ships. Today the aircraft carrier is not the only target - even "Buyan" can cover half of Europe with the World Cup, the 8th CD with nuclear warheads. Few?

[Sergey Sfiedu]

For some reason, everyone is sure that we will start the war first and our anti-ship missiles will valiantly smash the enemy AUG. But it can happen and quite the opposite ... Although, I hope, there will be no war.

[3danimal]

What does the use of nuclear weapons mean? - Carte blanche for its use on both sides.
How will the air defense and airbase equipment behave during a high-altitude explosion? (From that de opera).
How will they know? The AUG always has nuclear submarines, EMP will not affect them in any way.

[prior]

Why search for AUG. Nobody lost them.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: prior

Nobody lost them.

like this? when the mess with Eun was Trump lost his AUG. couldn't remember where it floated

[Winnie76]

Quote: Magic Archer

I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct, well, and thirdly, they are also not fools and they will not be allowed to approach the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers

When it comes to shooting aircraft carriers, it is generally pointless to look for AUG. It is enough to zero out the possible bases that are stationary. Does AUG sail for a long time without fuel, food, ammunition, maintenance?

[3danimal]

But do you understand that this plan automatically means the destruction of our ports and military facilities, at least?

[3danimal]

According to my observations, most often they proceed from the fact that the commander of an aircraft carrier is just careless and stupid.
(Judging by the plans in the style of "we bam them, and ourselves without losses)

[Tagan]

Quote: Jacket in stock

But what about "Dagger"?
Is he no longer a carrier killer?
Or will we fence the "zoo"?
There is also Zircon.

Zircon - Airborne?

[Sergey Sfiedu]

What prevents Zircon from becoming an air-launched missile?

[U-58]

The X-32 is essentially giving new life to the TU-22. Without entering the AUG air defense sphere, you can effectively cover the target.
And if it is strategically significant, then use a thermonuclear warhead
Reasonable and relatively inexpensive upgrade of the old system.

[Rushnairfors]

New life will be given to him by the NK-32, but damn it, I very much doubt that the tovarischev from the Tupolev Design Bureau will be able to shove something unproductive

[Rushnairfors]

Already if they could not under the Union ... But God forbid that I was mistaken

[lucul]

Already if they could not under the Union ... But God forbid that I was mistaken

I like these songs)))
In the days of the USSR, the oppa sang in unison, from all the media, that we have no draft army, this is the last century, everything is outdated in the troops, and it is absolutely not a competitor to the United States.
And now they are singing songs about the greatness of the USSR army.)))

[Zaurbek]

They said they would shove.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Nothing fundamentally new compared to the X-22. The old "Aegis" were sharpened for the X-22, the new ones are being modernized to intercept the X-32. Everlasting fight of shield and sword. Having "Dagger" and "Zircon", making X-32 is a waste of resources and money. Besides, operating a rocket with wildly toxic propellants is still a pleasure. That would be the one who came up with this, in a gas mask and OZK for heat or frost.

[Bez 310]

This post contains more questions than answers.
Well-known questions - launch range on ships,
how is the control center carried out?

[Rushnairfors]

Good day, a question for me? All my life, the control center was the same - first you find it with the help of the PNA, you take the target for escort, and then you give the control center to the rocket, so until the radar station sees the target ... About all these Lianas, Sunflowers and even more so A-50 smiled, By God, I can't imagine how information from the AWACS operator will help me about the presence of an enemy AUG in such and such an azimuth and at such a range, I still cannot find it, but I already know that there is an AUG, otherwise why I took off then ???

[Bez 310]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Good day, a question for me?

No, the questions are not for you, but so ...
I agree with you, you told everything correctly, I can
just add that our backfire division flew
"to hit the AUG", with the verification of the possibility of obtaining
data on the place "AUG" from the A-50, in which there were
division headquarters officers. In general, the game is not
worth it, since we found ships earlier than the A-50.

[keeper03]

Have you heard anything about inertial guidance system !?

[Volder]

Quote: Rushnairfors

By God, I can't imagine how information from the AWACS operator will help me about the presence of an enemy AUG in such and such an azimuth and at such a distance

This is enough to launch an X-32 missile with a seeker, with a target acquisition range of 300 km, into that positional area.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

No, not enough.

[lucul]

This post contains more questions than answers.
Well-known questions - launch range on ships,
how is the control center carried out?

Fan of Timokhin?

[Bez 310]

Quote: lucul

Fan of Timokhin?

It's just that I used to work on the topic "X-22 according to NK" a little,
so I'm wondering how things are now, what's new?

[Ros 56]

Great news. Dagger plus X-32, there is something striped to think about.

[Tusv]

One missile carrier, 2 Aircraft carriers. He answers the request - you can fly, but swim "nizya. Ayyayay".

[Zaurbek]

The regiment for 1 AUG ..... was in Soviet times.

[Tusv]

Quote: Zaurbek

The regiment for 1 AUG ..... was in Soviet times.

Oh. Will be mocked in European courts for excessive projection of force True, now one Tu-22 M3 regiment stands. Soak the Boss and scrupulously shoot the escort. Difficult, but necessary

[Bez 310]

Quote: Tusv

True, now one Tu-22 M3 regiment stands.

In what sense is that? How to understand?
By price, or by armament?
Which regiment do you compare with?

[Tusv]

By lethality with a conventional charge and without entering the air defense zone

[Bez 310]

Quote: Tusv

By lethality with a conventional charge and without entering the air defense zone

This is closer to delirium ...
Tu-16 regiment with KSR-5 missiles practically
did not differ from the Tu-22m3 regiment with the Kh-22.

[Taoist]

2nd regiment ... Shock and support regiment ...

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

Good rocket. Trabls with extremely toxic fuel only spoil the picture a little.

[Zaurbek]

Question to the studio .....
Why, in the presence of "Onyx" in land, sea, underwater performance ..... not hang it on the Tu22M3? .... Why do we need a "Zoo" of different missiles that are not fundamentally different from each other?
- subsonic
- 2-3M supersonic
- GP type Zircon
- Dagger-type MRBM.


And here in the framework of 2-3 M in the country and Onyx and X22 and X32.

[Lexus]

Quote: Zaurbek

Why do we need a "Zoo" of different missiles that are not fundamentally different from each other?

1. "I blinded him out of what was." Attempts to revive the Soviet backlog, but something goes wrong: it flies badly / does not really hit. Therefore, they grab onto all the "last straws" at once.

2. With such an abundance of "dust in the eyes" it is easier to "cut" a budget with a zero result, endlessly referring to the lack of funds with an imaginary abundance of #nonalohoff projects.

[Taoist]

IMHO, of course, but I would be more worried not for the missiles but for their carriers. There are few carcasses left. Even if all together to collect on one full outfit for an attack is not enough. And we also need additional target reconnaissance groups, electronic warfare, etc. And from the MPA we have "horns and legs" ...

[faterdom]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Victor_B

After all, goals are also different.

Those. you are for the zoo.
With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.

What does "classmates" mean?
What's the word "rocket" in both?
Or by the mass of BG?
Cruise (x-32) and "Dagger" (aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes, speeds and flight paths.
In short: "Dagger" is guaranteed to overcome any modern air defense / missile defense, but each launch is a separate operation of a separate aircraft. Maybe then it will not be a single one, say, Tu-160M3 or something else, I don't know. That is, the subscriber who receives it will be able to watch for 15-20 seconds, enchanted, how the fur-bearing animal rushes to him in a flowery and fast pace.
The cruise missiles of the "X" series, on the other hand, are more sharpened for range and flight stealth, and several of them can be installed in the TU-22M3 normally. That is, before doing it, the subscriber will only have time to say "Shit".
Yes, both are big troubles for the AUG or individual NATO ships, but not the same. Quite fatal though.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

"Cruise (x-32) and" Dagger "(aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes, speeds and flight paths" - stop, what are these different purposes? Enlighten! And if the speed of the Kh-32 is lower and the ceiling is lower, and compare the hemorrhoids with the poisonous fuel of the Kh-32 with the convenience of the solid-fuel "Dagger", which is also lighter and which Tu-22m3 can take more - then why the heck she is, the Kh-32 , do you need?

[faterdom]

If you don't understand, read it two more times slowly.
Look especially for "guaranteed overcomes". As they say in football - "non-handling ball". But, I don't think the Daggers will be used in packs.
And the price, I think, is an order of magnitude different, and maybe more.
So, from all sides not "classmates", maybe, except for the range (average), which, as a missile classification, has long been limping on both legs.

[voronkin]

The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

And Biden immediately signed a new nonproliferation treaty))))
Let the men try something else And the United States will withdraw its bases from the borders of Russia and flee from the Outskirts

[Pamir]

It would not hurt to see the withdrawal of aircraft carriers to the launch site, the location-range-target of the defeat, weather conditions, as well as measures by the attacked side. Fixing the attack site, if the approach of the missile carriers was and was detected, detection and tracking of the attacking object, counter-measures taken anti-air defense, camouflage of the defense of the attacked side, the removal of the target from the place of defeat, the ability to detect false targets with the X-32 missile, among the first passive corner targets, before hitting the target with the X-32 missile. Significant damage to the target ship? Well, of course, what is the external control center and in what way indicated the point of application with a rocket, or missiles. It is clear that no one informs the Ministry of Defense, the secrecy is NOT CANCELED, well, in general terms, it would not hurt.
And this is how news comes out, of course good, but more detailed information is required. In the "News" section, I think the readers are not satisfied. Although, of course, the X-32 is an interesting weapon and probably an effective means of destruction, but not in the "News" section. what conditions (introductory), where, in what way, it is not clear. You can varnish everything, interest in the real possibility of application.
Well, in general, the X-32 air-launched missile is promising, but like any other has its limits. It is supposed, after all, that the X-32 is a rather dangerous ammunition, give reason to put it into service, it is clear that it is with carriers.

[Jacket in stock]

Cruise (x-32) and "Dagger" (aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes

Yes, as a BE, the purpose is just one - an air-launched anti-ship missile.
The range is about the same.
Warhead power too.
Carriers - more than once I had to read that the Dagger will be screwed to the Tu22m3m.
Speed ​​... there is an undoubted advantage of the Dagger, then why the obviously weaker X32?

IMHO a vegetable garden with a zoo solely for the maintenance of industry. The rockets are made by different factories, the complete set, too, and the money is shared. We must have enough for everyone.

[Old26]

Quote: mark1

Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?

And why did you shoot during the tests? Isn't it with the TU-22M3?

Quote: OrangeBigg

The Tu-22M3M is not suitable for launching the Dagger, because in terms of its performance characteristics it is not a MiG-31K. The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, reaching the drop point in a matter of minutes , already begins its autonomous movement. Tu-22M3M will not be able to do this, especially if you want to hang not one Dagger on it, but for example 4.
For Tu-22M3M, lighter GZUR are suitable, for launching which the carrier aircraft does not have to accelerate to supersonic. So as you put it, the rocket zoo is needed purely for technical reasons. To launch the same X-32, the carrier aircraft does not need to accelerate to supersonic speed.

Any aircraft capable of lifting this product are suitable for a dagger. The difference is that when launched from a lower altitude and at a lower speed, the range and final speed of the "Dagger" will be lower. And so it can be carried by the subsonic TU-95MS

Quote: U-58

Why isn't she flying 1000?
Even Wikipedia says that it flies.
I don't think the range is exaggerated there. Rather the opposite

Has Vicki already become the ultimate truth? So besides Vicki, we have media people who, for example, say that a rocket with a range of 16000 km can reach America through the South Pole, with a distance of about 30 km. Believe too?

Quote: lucul

Pfff .... if Zircon was allowed to reach a distance of only 450 km, this does not mean that Zircon is not capable of reaching 1000 km))).
1000 km is exactly the distance from which you can safely launch rockets at the AUG.

You can start. Get in? but here how the suit will fall You can get there, but maybe not

Quote: Volder

Actually, the rocket maneuvers during flight. In the process of maneuvers, the seeker looks in different directions, i.e. the viewing angle becomes large.

Do the creators of this GOS know about this?

Quote: carstorm 11

The radius of action and the launch range were compared?) Seriously?

Alas, comrade, but it is written correctly. The KR does not have a radius of action, it "is not obliged to return to the airfield." So that's right. F-35B has radius, cruise missile has range

Quote: URAL72

Searching for an aircraft carrier is getting easier as technology is developing. You don't need to come close. With the alliance, there was such a tactic: - first, the X-22 is sent to the center of the order, and the YaBG in the air is undermined at the closest possible distance. Do you know the striking factors? Electromagnetic radiation? Panic? 250 kt is not a joke, Hornet can simply turn on the HYDRO location mode ... And then break through and hit the ships. Today the aircraft carrier is not the only target - even "Buyan" can cover half of Europe with the World Cup, the 8th CD with nuclear warheads. Few?

Well, the strictest orders were delivered to the American ships. In the event of war, under no circumstances should you shoot down the leading missile that will detonate its nuclear charge in order to blind the AUG? So what? AUG order for what do you think? Not in order to fend off threats even HZ at what distance from the aircraft carrier. How many bombers were planned there to destroy one American AUG? Regiment or division?
And dear. Please remember once and for all. The EIGHT launchers on the Buyan does not mean at all that it will have EIGHT cruise missiles with YABZ. On the project 58 cruiser with 16 missiles, the ammunition load was, according to the recollections of those who served, 2-4 missiles with nuclear warheads. As in the project 949 SSGN. Not 24 missiles with nuclear warheads, but much less. And you have some kind of superwunderwaffe. All missiles with nuclear warheads.

Quote: Volder

This is enough to launch an X-32 missile with a seeker, with a target acquisition range of 300 km, into that positional area.

Damn, Dmitry! Where did you find this "information" that the capture range of the seeker is 300 km? For the first time after the release from the carrier, the rocket goes on autopilot, and only after entering the capture zone the seeker starts to work. And in order for it to start working, the carrier must see the target on its own radar. And what do you think they have a range of 1000-1200 km?

[Volder]

Quote: Old26

Where did you find this "information" that the GOS capture range is 300 km?

From public sources, this is not a secret.

the rocket is on autopilot, and only after entering the capture zone, the seeker starts to work. And in order for it to start working, the carrier must see the target on its own radar.

When launched at a distance of more than 300 km, the rocket requires external target designation before the target is captured by the seeker. We are waiting for the full functioning of the Liana MCRC. In the meantime, the Tu-22M3M, using the NR-45 onboard radar, detects and selects surface targets at a range of 450-500 km.

[AC130 Gunship]

I read the comments. It turned out as in the old bike about crayfish: Those big, Tu22 can take 3-4 pieces. But not Daggers. And those small ones cannot. But maybe a moment31. But one. But today. But very fast and high ... :)

[Old26]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Speed ​​... there is an undoubted advantage of the Dagger, then why the obviously weaker X32?

The X-32 came to replace the supersonic X-22. "Dagger" is positioned as a hypersonic missile. These are two complementary complexes. Will the "Dagger" be bolted to the TU-22M3 - wait and see

Quote: Jacket in stock

Warhead power too.

The question is still from the category of speculation. We do not know what the power of the warhead of the Kh-32 is. The Kh-22 EMNIP had a nuclear warhead capacity of about 200 kt. The "Dagger" (read "Iskander") has a MS EMNIP power of 50 kilotons. The difference is at least 4 times

[Old26]

Quote: Klingon

no need to clown around, the Dagger is a stratospheric missile and is used from the MiG-31, the X-32 is a low-altitude cruise missile, the tactics of use are completely different, if the X-47 overcomes the AUG air defense on hypersound, then the X-32 "sneaks up" to the AUG on low closer and then makes a "slide"

It is difficult to call the Kh-32 a "low-altitude" missile, like its predecessor, the Kh-22. At high flight altitudes - and this is 16-18 kilometers, the speed is higher (about 2,5M was in the X-22) and the maximum range for it. At low altitude, the speed was lower (about 2M) and the range was also lower.
In addition, the "Dagger" before hitting the target will have a supersonic speed, simply slowing down in dense layers of the atmosphere

[Lozovik]

Quote: Old26

At high flight altitudes - and this is 16-18 kilometers, the speed is higher (about 2,5M was in the X-22) and the maximum range for it. At low altitude, the speed was lower (about 2M) and the range was also lower.

VT (upper trajectory) H = 22,5 km; M = 3,44
NT (lower trajectory) H = 12 km; M = 2,04

[Old26]

Quote: Lozovik

VT (upper trajectory) H = 22,5 km; M = 3,44
NT (lower trajectory) H = 12 km; M = 2,04

Thank you, comrade. So he confused the given parameters with the boat-ship "Granite"