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The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

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The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

The Russian Kh-32 cruise missile was tested by launches from the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.


According to the source, the upgraded Tu-22M3 fired an X-32 cruise missile during the tests. A series of tests were carried out last year in order to confirm the characteristics of serial missiles, as well as to prepare missiles for tests on board the deeply modernized Tu-22M3M bombers.

The upgraded Tu-22M3 conducted several launches of Kh-32 cruise missiles, which will form the basis of the strike weapons of the modernized Tu-22M3M bomber. The shooting took place as part of periodic product testing at a military training ground. The declared combat characteristics of the missiles are confirmed, the hitting accuracy is "in the peg"

- said the source.

According to the interlocutor of the agency, the new X-32 missile is intended primarily for the destruction of aircraft carriers, therefore it is unofficially called "the killer of aircraft carriers." It is also capable of hitting ground targets with high efficiency. The deeply modernized Tu-22M3M bombers should become the standard missile carrier, to the level of which it is planned to bring the entire existing Tu-22M3 fleet. The new version of the aircraft can carry X-32 cruise missiles and hypersonic missiles.
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  1. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 6 February 2021 07: 17
    -43%
    But what about "Dagger"?
    Is he no longer a carrier killer?
    Or will we fence the "zoo"?

    There is also Zircon.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 6 February 2021 07: 19
      +29
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But what about "Dagger"?
      Is he no longer a carrier killer?
      Or will we fence the "zoo"?

      So what? Except for the Dagger, nothing else is needed?
      How many Daggers can I hang?
      And the X-32 will fit more.
      The goals are also different. Not all AUG targets. There are also smaller ones.
      And there is also more than AB.
      Daggers are not enough for everyone.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 6 February 2021 07: 26
        -39%
        Quote: Victor_B
        After all, goals are also different.

        Those. you are for the zoo.
        With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.
        1. mark1
          mark1 6 February 2021 07: 34
          +13
          It's probably not about the "zoo" but about the fact of its appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier and began to act, then the "Dagger" came ... So for a while they will be in service in parallel.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 6 February 2021 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: mark1
            and upon the appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier

            That's her ?
            Snapshot half a year ago.
            1. mark1
              mark1 6 February 2021 11: 45
              -1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Snapshot half a year ago.

              Well?.....
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 6 February 2021 11: 48
                +1
                Quote: mark1
                Well?.....

                I thought fresh news. Here is a snapshot from 10,02,2019
                1. mark1
                  mark1 6 February 2021 11: 51
                  +3
                  I don't quite understand what you mean, but the Kh-6 entered service in 32, if anything ...
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 6 February 2021 11: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: mark1
                    I don't quite understand what you mean, but the Kh-6 entered service in 32, if anything ...

                    Article title
                    The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber
                    What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?
                    1. mark1
                      mark1 6 February 2021 12: 04
                      +4
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?

                      Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?
                      1. Bad_gr
                        Bad_gr 6 February 2021 12: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: mark1
                        Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?
                        Now it is clear. Thank you for the clarification.
                    2. Captain Pushkin
                      Captain Pushkin 6 February 2021 14: 03
                      +6
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      What's the news, if the rocket has been in service since 2016, and it was fired from the Tu-22M3M in 2019?

                      Everything is written in the article: "The shooting took place as part of periodic product tests at a military training ground."
                      For each weapon model there are corresponding documents, which specify the frequency of tests during production and being in service, the scope of tests and the number of samples.
                      So these tests of X-32 missiles are definitely not the last.
                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 6 February 2021 11: 58
                    +5
                    I see the people want to show off their knowledge, but they are also completely indifferent that this is a weapon for fighting targets of a different class, placed on carriers with significantly different performance characteristics and having different deployment locations ...
                    1. Sergey Sfiedu
                      Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 13
                      +1
                      And you do not hesitate, educate the people, what are the different goals of the "Dagger" and the X-32. And about the carriers - it was almost officially announced that the "Dagger" after testing on the MiG-31 will be used on the Tu-22m3.
                    2. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 8 February 2021 20: 43
                      -1
                      And I, too, do not want to argue over the subtleties, but I am VERY pleased that the possibilities of application are expanding, and the safety of the carrier is increasing!
                      I believe that Air Force professionals understand the issue better than VO experts and know what they are doing! lol
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 7 February 2021 00: 10
            0
            and upon the appearance - the X-32 appeared earlier

            How did it appear before, if it is only now being tested?
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 6 February 2021 09: 07
          +13
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Victor_B
          After all, goals are also different.

          Those. you are for the zoo.
          With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.


          The Tu-22M3M is not suitable for launching the Dagger, because in terms of its performance characteristics it is not a MiG-31K. The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, reaching the drop point in a matter of minutes , already begins its autonomous movement. Tu-22M3M will not be able to do this, especially if you want to hang not one Dagger on it, but for example 4.
          For Tu-22M3M, lighter GZUR are suitable, for launching which the carrier aircraft does not have to accelerate to supersonic. So as you put it, the rocket zoo is needed purely for technical reasons. To launch the same X-32, the carrier aircraft does not need to accelerate to supersonic speed.
          ... "Dagger" is designed to destroy land and sea targets. The MiG-31 long-range supersonic all-weather fighter, created by the MiG RSK back in the Soviet Union and put into service in 1981, was chosen as the carrier. Foxhound (translated as "Foxhound"), as it is called in the West, is a veteran of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, however, in terms of its speed and altitude characteristics, it is still unique.

          The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, having reached the drop point in a matter of minutes, begins its autonomous movement. Nuclear and conventional warheads are delivered to the target at a distance of up to 2 km. At the same time, it can deliver a serious blow to the enemy without entering his zone, which is seriously protected by an air defense-missile defense system. Due to such high performance characteristics of the MiG-31, a hypersonic missile with low radar signature and high maneuverability of the Kinzhal complex has no analogues in the world.


          https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5088118
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 6 February 2021 15: 29
            +2
            TTX missiles Kh-32

            Length - 11,65 m
            Wingspan - 3 m
            Case Diameter - 0,92 m
            Height - 2,44 m
            Weight - 5780 kg
            Maximum speed - up to 5400 km / h
            Flight altitude - 1000-40000 m
            Range - 600-1000 km
            https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/chto-predstavlyaet-soboj-novaya-protivokorabelnaya-krylataya-raketa-h-32/
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 6 February 2021 17: 13
            +1
            "can easily climb to a height of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h," ///
            ---
            This is all without the Dagger. With conventional explosive rockets.
            The dagger is very heavy. The interceptor turns into a bomber.
            Neither 25 km nor 3000 km / h will work.
        3. olegactor
          olegactor 6 February 2021 11: 11
          0
          Those. you are for the zoo.

          why don't you go to the mattress mats with such a question ... they have helicopters, for example, a whole menagerie ... or the liberal yotika does not allow
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 6 February 2021 21: 43
            +2
            Strong percussion - only Apache. We have 2 of them.
            (Cobra is like our Mi-24)
            Tank only Abrams. We have 3 of them ..
            BMP - only Bradley.
        4. Klingon
          Klingon 6 February 2021 20: 45
          -1
          no need to clown around, the Dagger is a stratospheric missile and is used from the MiG-31, the X-32 is a low-altitude cruise missile, the tactics of use are completely different, if the X-47 overcomes the AUG air defense on hypersound, then the X-32 "sneaks up" to the AUG on low closer and then makes a "slide"
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 6 February 2021 21: 47
            +2
            Nothing like this. X-32 is a faster and higher-altitude modification of the X-22. Flies high all the way and dives towards the target.
            Yakhont can sneak up, at the cost of a noticeable reduction in the launch range.
            1. Klingon
              Klingon 7 February 2021 02: 12
              0
              Oh, Sori, I mistook the Caliber, the Kh-32 is really a high-altitude, stratospheric rocket. what but the X-47 is still faster, it just needs overclocking, for which the MiG-31 is used
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 7 February 2021 05: 58
                +1
                Acceleration is not required for her (she has solid propellant rocket), but launching from an aircraft increases the range.
      2. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 6 February 2021 08: 28
        +2
        The X-32 will fit more.

        The starting mass of the Dagger is 3-4 tons, like Iskander

        The launch weight of the X-32 is 5-6 tons (based on the characteristics of the previous X-22)
        How many daggers can be hung

        Based on the mass difference, then more
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 6 February 2021 08: 45
          +5
          "If we proceed from the difference in masses, then more"
          The difference in masses is not important. The main thing is the suspension units are able to withstand such a weight. So more than three won't work anyway.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 6 February 2021 09: 33
          +6
          Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier aircraft needs to accelerate to supersonic speed by taking off with a payload mass of 4 Daggers (12-15 tons) to an altitude of at least 20 km, which is impossible for technical reasons. Take a look at the performance characteristics of the Tu-22M3M with regards to acceleration with such an assumed load of 12-15 tons, and even at supersonic. When launching the Kh-32 Tu-22M3M, there is no need to accelerate to supersonic.
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 6 February 2021 12: 35
            +2
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier plane needs to accelerate to supersonic

            Why go supersonic? The "Dagger" has a rocket engine, not a ramjet, so it makes no difference what speed the carrier has. At least from a place.
            Another question is that the MiG-31 can very quickly deliver this missile to the launch site (to the point where the missile has enough fuel to reach its target)
            Where am I mistaken?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 6 February 2021 13: 28
              -1
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Yeah, just to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier plane needs to accelerate to supersonic

              Why go supersonic? The "Dagger" has a rocket engine, not a ramjet, so it makes no difference what speed the carrier has. At least from a place.
              Another question is that the MiG-31 can very quickly deliver this missile to the launch site (to the point where the missile has enough fuel to reach its target)
              Where am I mistaken?


              You are wrong. After all, it is known that the inclusion of hypersonic engines of the Dagger rocket occurs at supersonic speed, to which the Dagger rocket must be accelerated by the MiG-31K carrier aircraft.
              .Leonkov noted that in the USSR there were simply no such engines that could accelerate the MiG-31 to such speeds. The country did not have such technologies. However, now Russian engineers have everything they need. In particular, experts from the Perm Motor Plant are working on the required engine, Leonkov assured. In other words, this development will allow the MiG-31 to accelerate to a hypersonic speed of Mach 6.

              If this happens, the Dagger will also increase its effectiveness. The hypersonic missile does not pick up a maximum speed of Mach 10 (12 km / h) immediately. The inclusion of hypersonic rocket engines occurs at supersonic speed.

              Up to this point, the rocket must be accelerated. In order not to use special accelerators, instead of them, in fact, the MiG-31 itself acts. This allows you to significantly reduce the size of the rocket and its weight. Experts believe the Dagger will be quite expensive. Its price will be higher than for cruise missiles, but less than for intercontinental missiles. The approximate cost of the hypersonic Dagger can be compared to the cost of the Iskander.

              https://zen.yandex.ru/media/smp/giperzvukovoi-rubej-istrebitel-mig31-s-raketoi-kinjal-smojet-razgoniatsia-do-7000-kmch-5aa6281b9d5cb38b50155737
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 6 February 2021 13: 38
                +1
                Quote: OrangeBigg
                in order not to use special accelerators, instead of them, in fact, the MiG-31 itself acts. This allows one to significantly reduce the size of the rocket and its weight.
                I completely agree with this.
                And here
                The inclusion of hypersonic rocket engines occurs at supersonic speed
                it is not clear: why a rocket engine needs supersonic to launch? If there was a direct-flow on it, then there are no questions.
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 6 February 2021 13: 48
                  +3
                  All questions to the creators of the Dagger. Most likely, they save fuel for a lighter rocket and therefore not much fuel, therefore, to achieve a long range, the rocket is accelerated using the MiG-31K.
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 7 February 2021 00: 17
                0
                You are wrong. After all, it is known that the inclusion of hypersonic engines of the Dagger rocket occurs at supersonic speed, to which the Dagger rocket must be accelerated by the MiG-31K carrier aircraft

                Who knows how and how? What other hypersonic engines in an aerobalistic rocket then?
            2. 3danimal
              3danimal 6 February 2021 21: 48
              0
              The speed of the aircraft at the time of launch directly affects the range of the rocket.
              1. Sergey Sfiedu
                Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 09
                +1
                Check out the range at which the MiG-25RB threw bombs. The use of the MiG-31K as the first stage for the air-based Iskander, that is, the Dagger, gives about the same increase in range. The magnitude in comparison with the missile range is negligible, so replacing the MiG-31 with the Tu-22m3 will not significantly affect the range of the "Dagger".
                And in general, reviving a 60-year-old liquid-propellant missile in the new century (the X-32 is just an upgrade of the antediluvian X-22) is complete absurdity or despair. As soon as the "Dagger", "Zircon" and / or "GZUR" (I hope the GZUR is just an aviation "Zircon") are finished, the place of the X-32 will only be in the landfill. Yes, and the need for "Dagger" in the light of the success of "Zircon" is coming to naught.
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 7 February 2021 09: 59
                  0
                  I'm not saying that the Kh-32 is a standing missile.
                  I see the dagger as relevant as an aeroballistic RIAC.
                  With Zircon, there are questions with regards to its engine and, accordingly, a number of characteristics (it is very likely that it does not have a scramjet engine).
                  Better focus on Calibers, IMHO. Ground, air, sea launch.
                  Carry out the same tests of the 3M-54E with a supersonic stage.
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 10: 14
                    +1
                    "With Zircon, there are questions regarding its engine and, accordingly, a number of characteristics (it is very likely that it does not have a scramjet engine)" - without a scramjet engine it would hardly have reached the declared characteristics and at the same time fit into the "Caliber" cell.
            3. Klingon
              Klingon 7 February 2021 02: 08
              0
              Can't a ramjet engine be rocket? maybe called ramjet. while the Kh-32 has a liquid-propellant engine
              1. Sergey Sfiedu
                Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 15
                0
                "Can't a ramjet engine be a rocket engine?" - can not.
                1. Klingon
                  Klingon 7 February 2021 13: 35
                  0
                  that is, a ramjet engine cannot be put on a rocket like that? wassat
              2. 3danimal
                3danimal 7 February 2021 10: 00
                0
                Not. The rocket one receives the oxidizer from its own reserves, the direct-flow one - from the atmosphere.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 7 February 2021 11: 08
                  0
                  I will add not in essence (rocket - direct-flow), but in design.
                  On our cruise missiles with a ramjet engine, sometimes a starting solid fuel engine is inserted into the combustion chamber of a ramjet engine, which takes up all the free space of the chamber. The rocket starts and accelerates on it, when it completely burns out, the engine is thrown out of the ramjet chamber, the ramjet is turned on.
                  Due to this constructive solution, it is possible to shorten the length of the rocket.
                  1. Klingon
                    Klingon 7 February 2021 13: 36
                    +1
                    the only person who explained sensibly and clearly drinks
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 7 February 2021 00: 16
            0
            to launch the Dagger (3-4 tons), the carrier aircraft must accelerate to supersonic

            But where did you get this information from?
        3. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 6 February 2021 12: 31
          +3
          X-32 cruise missile

          weight ------------------------ 5800 kg
          Warhead -------------------------- 500 kg
          length ----------------------- 12 m
          wingspan ---------- 3 m
          speed --------------- Mach 3,5-4,6
          ---------------------- (from 4000 to 5400 km / h)
          ceiling -------------------- 40km
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 6 February 2021 13: 32
            +4
            The X-32 is 2 times heavier than the Dagger, but for its launch it is not necessary to accelerate the carrier aircraft to supersonic at high altitude.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 16
              0
              And "Dagger" is not necessary. "Iskander" starts from zero speed and altitude.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 7 February 2021 00: 09
        -1
        And the X-32 will fit more.

        And still not enough. It is not clear why to fence a vegetable garden with this X-32. We need a smaller rocket, suitable for all types of aircraft in service with naval aviation, and unified with other anti-ship missiles.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 05
          0
          Exactly good
          I suppose it got from the old days, when different design bureaus lobbied for each of their products, and the military was given any money (the rest was on a leftover basis).
    2. BARKAS
      BARKAS 6 February 2021 07: 56
      +3
      And here the Dagger is another medium for him, we not only TU-22 can be used, there must be other means.
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 6 February 2021 21: 55
      +3
      The answer is simple, I think. Each office lobbies for its product.
      By the same principle, we now have two modern attack helicopters at once.
    4. Sergey Averchenkov
      Sergey Averchenkov 7 February 2021 00: 45
      +1
      More good and different ones.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 08
        0
        With a military budget 12 times less than that of the United States and 5 times less than that of China.
        The best way to complicate logistics and increase product prices. But all the design bureaus have a bunch of caviar ...
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 6 February 2021 07: 18
    +12
    Tu-22M3 are being improved.
    Weapons for them too.
    And rightly so!
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 6 February 2021 21: 52
      +2
      The problem of the Kh-22/32 is in an extremely high-altitude flight path. She will be seen at a great distance to the target.
      Another problem with long-range anti-ship missiles is target designation.
      The military offered to use the Il turboprop (650 km / h) for this.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 7 February 2021 09: 30
        0
        Do you think there will be no measures to reduce the ESR? I guess there will be.
        There will probably be an electronic warfare station too.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 7 February 2021 10: 04
          0
          I guess there will be

          Small at best (if there are RPMs). The shape is definitely not "stealth" (compare with LRASM).
          The electronic warfare station will complicate interception, but the AFAR is very resistant to them.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 7 February 2021 10: 32
            +1
            So I'm comparing. There is no VZ mouth, the planes are much smaller (and their sweep is much larger), the radar antenna can be covered while it is not working. So the frontal RCS will be much smaller.
            And an electronic warfare station is a thing in itself, we do not even know in what range and against what it works.
            For example, RV ZUR or VV - Allah knows him how stable he is there.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 09
              0
              All sources note that it is very stable.
              And against electronic warfare, and against dipole reflectors.
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 6 February 2021 07: 30
    -1
    I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct, well, and thirdly, they are also not fools and they will not be allowed to approach the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 February 2021 07: 39
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct,

      Think you haven't thought about it?
      That is, first they made a rocket, and then they began to think about everything else?
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 16
        0
        So they just keep doing it.
        In Soviet times, the Central Control Department was issued by the Tu-95RTs fleet. There was an attempt with the satellite "Legend", but unsuccessful (it was necessary to maintain a constellation of dozens of satellites, with a reactor on board, flying low and rapidly converging from orbit).
        In one of the recent statements, it was said that the Il-20 could be used to issue target designation. Good luck, as they say ...
        About Liana: there are 4 satellites now. And the Russian Federation is not among the leaders in terms of the number of satellite constellations.
        So you will have to rebuild the scout fleet.
    2. Errr
      Errr 6 February 2021 08: 09
      0
      There are no questions at all.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder how the AUG will be searched.
      System MKRTS "Liana", "Sunflowers", AWACS aircraft to help us.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Secondly, how to direct ...
      Again MKRTs "Liana", GLONASS, satellite communication system "Gonets", etc. to help.
      Quote: Magic Archer
      ... in the third, there are also no fools and they won't let you get close to the aircraft carrier.
      And you won't have to approach. We shoot from a distance of 600-1000 km, without entering the AUG air defense zone. smile
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 22
        +2
        X32 does not fly for a thousand kilometers, even close, it hardly reaches 600, and even then under certain conditions, so a flight to AUG is a one-way flight, according to KUG, DesO anyone can still, but on an aircraft carrier ... If only the fighters will tightly cover, and the IAPs on our same DV, the cat cried
        1. U-58
          U-58 6 February 2021 08: 28
          0
          Why isn't she flying 1000?
          Even Wikipedia says that it flies.
          I don't think the range is exaggerated there. Rather the opposite
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 39
            +3
            Well, I kind of have a direct relationship to Long-Range Aviation and Tu22m3 specifically, I fly this type, I myself did not start up the x32, but my colleagues have already started it up, plus we regularly have testers, representatives of Tupolev, etc. etc. we communicate with them, so believe me, I know what I'm writing about.
            1. U-58
              U-58 6 February 2021 09: 32
              +1
              I will believe it. Analysts from the US naval intelligence service, who are here, are constant observers (((
              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 07: 55
                0
                Back in the early 90s, these analysts thoroughly studied both Tu22 and Tu95 and Tu160, which remained in Ukraine after the collapse of the Union, and they have also known approximate TTD x32 for a long time.
        2. Errr
          Errr 6 February 2021 08: 28
          0
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          X32 does not fly for a thousand kilometers, even close, it can hardly reach 600, and then under certain conditions ...
          "With difficulty" it reached 600 km X-22, and its reincarnation X-32 "barely" reaches 1000 km. wink
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 40
            +3
            Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 6 February 2021 09: 06
              +4
              Quote: Rushnairfors
              And who let her at such a distance?

              The sofa theorist read the performance characteristics of the missile on Wiki,
              without delving into the differences between missiles, and does not understand that
              we are talking about the PSI version, where the flight range
              limited only by the amount of fuel.
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 6 February 2021 09: 33
              +4
              Quote: Rushnairfors
              Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

              I'll give you a hint In peacetime, you cannot shoot AUGs, but you can train on cats. The last time three regiments were transferred to the Far East, but what about AUGs? One for repairs, the other for Australia, and Trump called Eun a good man. What year was that?
            3. lucul
              lucul 6 February 2021 12: 59
              +3
              Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me?

              Pfff .... if Zircon was allowed to reach a distance of only 450 km, this does not mean that Zircon is not capable of reaching 1000 km))).
              1000 km is exactly the distance from which you can safely launch rockets at the AUG.
              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 07: 59
                0
                Zircon is still in testing, and x32 is already at rest in our SIS, practical launches are carried out annually both at sea and at ground targets, the missile was put into service, if its range coincided with the range declared in Vick, would we really be talking about it did not know?
                1. lucul
                  lucul 7 February 2021 08: 59
                  +1
                  if its range coincided with the range declared in Vick, would we really not know about it?

                  In order for its range to coincide, target designation must be issued for 1 km. To do this, you need to either use a satellite or an AWACS aircraft. At worst, use Orion, although its range is small. And so, the missile hits the target out of sight? It is amazing, that is, it is able to work from external target designation. And what kind of target designation - at 000 km or 150 km, does not play a special role - the main thing is that the rocket can confirm this flight range.
                  1. Rushnairfors
                    Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 12: 10
                    0
                    What makes you think that she uses an external control center?
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 21
                      0
                      Because her radar seeker sees the target from a maximum of 100 km (if we are talking about AUG).
          2. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 6 February 2021 13: 00
            +3
            Quote: Herrr
            "With difficulty" it reached 600 km X-22, and its reincarnation X-32 "barely" reaches 1000 km.

            The X-32 (compared to the X-22) has a smaller warhead (500 kg, on the X-22 - 900 kg) due to which the fuel supply is increased. And there is a more powerful and economical engine. The stated range is 600-1000 km. Apparently, it depends on the flight altitude, but normally it is 30-40 km.
            1. Errr
              Errr 6 February 2021 13: 17
              -1
              I agree with you. smile
              All of the above you would describe better to Rashneirfors (Dmitry), who asked:
              Yes? And who let her at such a distance? And what year? Can you tell me? laughing
              I am just not against the fact that in the latter version it is able to overcome 1000 km to the target due to the increased fuel supply and, possibly, its more rational use. smile
              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 08: 15
                0
                Errr, I don't need to explain anything, thanks. Over a glass of tea, I would explain to you myself, and tell you a lot of interesting things, but here on the site I cannot write everything I know, I am a military man and therefore I write only in general phrases, and then only because I am sure: the same Americans are well aware of the possibilities KRV tu22 and approximate performance characteristics x32 (thanks to fraternal Ukraine), but even in this case I am not writing about the maximum ranges of launches, their number, success, types of targets, ranges on which launches are performed, so it's up to you whether you believe me or not your choice
            2. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 08: 02
              +1
              I partly agree, 32 more flight programs, there is a program in which a flight is performed on BT, while the Dpuska increases, but this is a mode for ground stationary targets, a different mode is used for sea targets, there the range is shorter
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 22
                0
                The X-32 always flies along an altitude trajectory.
                Combined is about Onyx or Caliber.
        3. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 6 February 2021 08: 44
          -4
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          and IAPs on the same DV, the cat cried

          And from other places we will not be able to pull up in any way?
          Yes, and AUG will not suddenly turn out to be near our shores, it will be time to pull up strength
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 09: 02
            +4
            Of course you can, only here and in the west everything was dispersed. Just imagine for a moment: we have only 5 regiments of fighter aviation from the Urals to Kamchatka, 5 !!!! Into a vast territory. In the west, I am now at a loss to tell you the exact number, but about 15, together with naval aviation. And I think that in the case of full-scale databases, they will be behind the eyes at their places of work, what do you think? And they are unlikely to be sent to colleagues in the Far East to help
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 6 February 2021 09: 45
              +3
              Quote: Rushnairfors
              we have only 5 regiments of fighter aviation from the Urals to Kamchatka, 5 !!!!

              A. But the peasants do not know. There is one aviation regiment for each air defense brigade and one special regiment for three brigades. Do you think so simply Karl Wilson he turned Our shores away?
            2. Tusv
              Tusv 6 February 2021 09: 55
              -1
              Quote: Rushnairfors
              only here and in the west everything was dispersed

              Why don't you take into account the air defense and naval aviation, while adding the American ILC aviation in numbers? You think who accompanies Our President. Naval aviation
              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors 7 February 2021 08: 19
                0
                And this is just the air defense aviation and the fleet all taken together.
            3. hydrox
              hydrox 6 February 2021 12: 18
              -1
              And where will such a number of enemy strike forces come from so that dozens of fighter regiments will have to be held against them in the vastness of Siberia and the Far East?
              Fly to your health, build a career, only let specially trained people who have graduated from the AGSH be engaged in strategies.
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 24
            0
            AUG can travel 1000 km per day.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 7 February 2021 20: 27
              0
              And how much is the bomber?
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 44
                0
                This is a question of the suddenness of the appearance of AUG.
                Do you offer to patrol with bombers? smile The range of their radars is much inferior to shipborne and AWACS aircraft.
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 6 February 2021 11: 42
          0
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          exterminators

          Diction defects?
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 20: 08
            +1
            No, diminutive, and in your time fighters were not called that
        5. 3danimal
          3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 19
          -1
          Our fighters will be able to cover tightly if the AUG commander goes crazy and drives AB close to the shore. Closer than 2000 km will definitely not work.
          Moreover, in compliance with radio camouflage measures, the course will also change frequently.
          There were exercises (US Navy) near Kamchatka in the first half of the 80s, very indicative.
        6. Volder
          Volder 8 February 2021 12: 04
          -2
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          X32 does not fly a thousand kilometers, even close,
          If a rocket has not been tested for 1000 km, this does not mean at all that it does not fly such a distance. It was simply equipped with less fuel. ICBMs, "Zircon" and other missiles are also tested (not at full range).
      2. Bez 310
        Bez 310 6 February 2021 08: 32
        +7
        Quote: Herrr
        System MKRTS "Liana", "Sunflowers", AWACS aircraft to help us.

        Apparently, you do not understand anything in this matter,
        and this is what allows you to judge so categorically
        about very serious issues.
        The issues of the CU for the RCC on this resource have already been discussed,
        and it was concluded long ago that the
        systems "can not in" CU on NK for RCC.
        But you keep telling your opinion, it's the same
        very interesting.
        1. Volder
          Volder 6 February 2021 10: 31
          -5
          Quote: Bez 310
          The issues of the control center for the RCC have already been discussed on this resource, and it has long been concluded that the systems you listed "cannot in" the control center for the NDT for the RCC.
          An exact control center is not needed, because target acquisition range for the seeker - 300 km. It is enough just to know the approximate target area.
          1. Sanguinius
            Sanguinius 6 February 2021 10: 36
            +4
            And what is the viewing angle of this seeker, or do you think that the range for the seeker is enough !? This ship can be located in the intended area anywhere, anywhere ... and if the seeker cannot find the target ship ... it turns out to fly into milk!
            1. Volder
              Volder 6 February 2021 10: 51
              -6
              Quote: Sanguinius
              And what is the viewing angle of this seeker, or do you think that the range for the seeker is enough !? This ship can be in the intended area anywhere, anywhere ...
              Actually, the rocket maneuvers during flight. In the process of maneuvers, the seeker looks in different directions, i.e. the viewing angle becomes large.
              1. Sanguinius
                Sanguinius 6 February 2021 14: 23
                0
                The missile performs maneuvers to overcome the air defense order, and not to scour and search for a target.
                1. Volder
                  Volder 8 February 2021 13: 38
                  -3
                  Quote: Sanguinius
                  The missile performs maneuvers to overcome the air defense order, and not to scour and search for a target.
                  Excellent! 2 hares are killed at once.
                  1. Sanguinius
                    Sanguinius 8 February 2021 17: 34
                    0
                    How, if at the time of the anti-aircraft maneuver, the missile seeker is already aimed at the target and flies towards it!
                    And what you say is called a search for targets for the seeker by yawing ... a rocket cannot do this! So stop talking nonsense!
            2. sivuch
              sivuch 6 February 2021 14: 28
              -4
              For the X-35 and Onyx they give a sector of 45 degrees. Specifically for the X-32 - I don't know. For some reason, I think not less. At the same time, for the same Onyx, Dobn is about 50 km along the destroyer.
              This is not counting the fact that GOS are usually active-passive. Will the entire AUG turn off its radar?
              1. sivuch
                sivuch 6 February 2021 16: 46
                0
                Dear anonymous minus. Maybe you will write what specifically you did not like in my answer? or do you have other information?
          2. Bez 310
            Bez 310 6 February 2021 10: 45
            +10
            Quote: Volder
            It is enough just to know the approximate target area.

            I am glad that more and more "specialists"
            comes to this resource. Keep going
            please us with information about ways
            Central control and guidance of anti-ship missiles at first hand.
            1. Volder
              Volder 6 February 2021 11: 00
              -5
              You were told: the anti-ship missile is aimed at the target with the help of its own seeker. To determine the area where to shoot, airborne aircraft radars, ground-based radars, satellites, AWACS aircraft, as well as civilian ships that can "knock" about the passage of the AUG by, are used.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 6 February 2021 11: 38
                0
                Quote: Volder
                You were told: the anti-ship missile is guided to the target using its own seeker.

                Sorry for the importunity, but I want to clarify
                the next question is how "own GOS"
                finds out where the aircraft carrier is and where the supply vehicle is
                with corner reflectors on the deck?
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 6 February 2021 12: 25
                  -1
                  A UAV came running and highlighted the target! laughing laughing yes
                2. dauria
                  dauria 6 February 2021 13: 09
                  +3
                  that's how "own GOS"
                  finds out where the aircraft carrier is and where the supply vehicle is
                  with corner reflectors on the deck?


                  Just like a flock of ancient Granite rockets. They recognized by signature, counted the probabilities, distributed among themselves, even chose the leader among themselves.
                  The old X-22 with APG is simpler. But they were also sent in not one, but a bunch and along different trajectories - top and bottom. And the Tu-22m regiment was not enough for this business. So half a century has passed.
                  You have a high-speed television camera in the mouse of your computer with a tracking system for the "picture" of the rug. The same as the seeker of the Kh-29 missile.
                  1. Bez 310
                    Bez 310 6 February 2021 13: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: dauria
                    Just like a flock of ancient Granite rockets.

                    Let's go without any flocks, but just
                    let's talk about one X-32 missile.
                    So how does she identify the right target?
                    1. dauria
                      dauria 6 February 2021 14: 06
                      +2
                      So how does she identify the right target?

                      I do not know. If I knew, I wouldn't say that either. laughing
                      There are ways, and more than one. From modern methods of analysis of radar signals to combined heads, up to television. Plus a probabilistic assessment of the nature of the construction, movement, activity of radio equipment. In short, what is now called AI.
                      Computers distinguish a masked man in a train station crowd - and you won't surprise anyone.
                    2. sivuch
                      sivuch 6 February 2021 14: 22
                      0
                      Identifies by comparing with the library of images. Have you heard about this?
                      1. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 6 February 2021 14: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: sivuch
                        comparing with the image library

                        What images?
                        Couldn't it be more specific - what kind of images they are,
                        how many of them, in what way were obtained?
                        I seem to be very behind in RCC issues,
                        so help catch up.
                      2. sivuch
                        sivuch 6 February 2021 16: 27
                        +2
                        Now I can’t attach a direct link, so for now it’s like this - defense. Alexander Brain article The best defense is a blow. There about LRASM in some detail, incl. comparing goals with benchmarks. There is also an interesting article on the same site of 5 generations of GOS pkr, where about the GOS of granite. And I can't attach conversations in the smoking-room with lads from department 51 - the recorder has broken down. And a lot. of those conversations remained just conversations
                      3. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 6 February 2021 16: 43
                        -4
                        Quote: sivuch
                        I can't attach

                        That is, nothing about the "image library"
                        in the GOS X-32 you cannot explain, and then,
                        what did you write about it, it's all yours
                        speculation? Clear...
                      4. sivuch
                        sivuch 6 February 2021 16: 56
                        +5
                        https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/navy/2017/0324/214221015/detail.shtml
                        In addition to the combined inertial-satellite guidance unit, a radar seeker, tracking moving objects, and an optoelectronic system have been introduced. In the memory of the onboard computer there is a whole archive of "images" of ships of potential adversaries in different angles, so that the missile hits exactly the target it needs.
                        Do you want similar information about x-32? in 30 years I will definitely inform you.
                        Until then, about granite
                        https://oborona.ru/includes/periodics/defense/2012/1016/19249412/detail.shtml
                        To combat aircraft carrier formations, the Granit missile system was created in the 70s of the last century. To increase its efficiency, a third-generation seeker was implemented in the on-board automatic control system (BASU). The seeker made it possible to carry out target distribution and target designation in a missile salvo without an operator. This function, associated with the complex logic of target selection against the background of interference, as well as with the assessment of the compliance of targets with specified characteristics, was implemented in an on-board digital computer (PCVM), performed for the first time on integrated circuits
                        After the launch, the seeker for the "Granit" anti-ship missile system independently searches, selects and selects the target of the strike, as well as evaluates the parameters of targets with subsequent capture and homing at the selected target. In the radio technical part of the GOS, a multichannel (active-passive) radar sight was created, which, working in a passive mode (radio silence
                      5. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 6 February 2021 17: 10
                        -4
                        Quote: sivuch
                        Do you want similar information about x-32?

                        I already understood everything, you don't know anything about the Kh-32,
                        and write only your speculations here.
                      6. sivuch
                        sivuch 6 February 2021 17: 17
                        +3
                        I also understood - you also do not know anything about the Kh-32 (as well as about elementary politeness) and you judge by products that are 50 years old. And the requirement to provide information about the Kh-32 is outright demagoguery. It is clear that no one will write this. It has already been written about Granite - also with an assessment of the compliance of goals with the specified characteristics, it was implemented in an on-board digital computer (BTsVM), i.e. even then the on-board computer was compared with the given characteristics.
                      7. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 6 February 2021 17: 24
                        -6
                        Quote: sivuch
                        about Kh-32 you also do not know anything

                        Nobody here knows anything about her,
                        but I'm not trying to show that to me
                        something is known about her.
                        Politeness? Is it you that your
                        trying to look like a specialist to me
                        didn't like it? What's wrong with that?
                        Just what you pretend to be like
                        specialist "where you are not.
                        Why do you need this? You grow in your own
                        eyes? Tie, not in kindergarten ...
                      8. sivuch
                        sivuch 6 February 2021 17: 41
                        +3
                        You asked what a library of images is - I answered with the example of LRASM.
                        At the same time, this is the answer to the question - how the GOS will distinguish AB from an ordinary dry cargo ship with corner reflectors. GOS Granita was still able to do this. Yes, I worked only in the 33rd department of the Northern Bureau, but of course I also talked with the guys from the 51st department.
                      9. Bez 310
                        Bez 310 6 February 2021 18: 29
                        -5
                        Quote: sivuch
                        You asked what a library of images is - I answered with the example of LRASM.

                        Thank you.
                        I am absolutely not interested in your place of work,
                        I've never worked anywhere, and nothing, I live ...
                        Sorry, but about the device of foreign missiles, I can
                        read it myself.
              2. 3danimal
                3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 33
                0
                In the memory of the onboard computer, there is a whole archive of "images" of ships of potential enemies in different angles, so that the missile hits exactly the target it needs.

                There are questions about the quality of these "images" of goals. How many kilobytes was Granite's memory capacity ?? Comparing with "Agat" 1983 (the year of adoption of Granite) - 140-760 kb. Fiction smile
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 30
    0
    target acquisition range at the seeker - 300 km

    Why not 1000 km? Put any number, which is more convenient smile
    In reality - about 70 km in a large ship. AB will see from 100 km, Perhaps.
    1. Volder
      Volder 8 February 2021 11: 30
      -2
      Quote: 3danimal
      In reality - about 70 km in a large ship. AB will see from 100 km
      No, it’s not. The X-32 flies across the sky, so it sees from above much farther than the radio horizon. Your desire to belittle the capabilities of Russian weapons looks frivolous.
  • sivuch
    sivuch 6 February 2021 14: 20
    0
    And you can find out where such convincing conclusions were made? And I myself read the discussion. There was no evidence.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 6 February 2021 23: 35
    0
    System MKRTs "Liana"

    Their 4 satellites can view the entire Earth in real time? request
    GLONASS

    This does not work for targets moving at sea.
    satellite communication system "Gonets"

    Have you decided to just list everything?
    AWACS aircraft

    A-50U only 4 pieces. Each AB has 4 E-2D AWACS aircraft with the best characteristics (AFAR radar).
    There are 5 more old A-50s (not modernized), but their radar for sea targets is inferior to the Tu-22M3.
    We shoot from a distance of 600-1000 km, without entering the AUG air defense zone.

    2 AWACS aircraft (out of 4) are patrolling in threatened directions at a distance of 300 km from the AUG. A group of bombers will be seen from 500+ km.
    Fighter jets will patrol in the proposed directions of attack, changing regularly.
    Bombers without cover (and AUG will never come close to the coast) will be helpless under attack.
    The bottom line is that such an attack will have a high cost.
    There is no war without losses, many people forget.
    1. Volder
      Volder 8 February 2021 11: 51
      -2
      Quote: 3danimal
      Their 4 satellites can view the entire Earth in real time?
      You don't need to look at the whole land
      Bombers without cover (and AUG will never come close to the coast) will be helpless under attack.
      What makes you think that our bombers will be without cover ?? Does Russia have no fighters?
      The bottom line is that such an attack will have a high cost.
      One bomber is cheaper than a ship. The number of pilots is also less than the crew on the ship. Therefore, an adversary who decides to attack Russia will have a high price.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 08: 13
    -8
    Quote: Magic Archer
    and thirdly, they are also not fools and they won't let you get close to the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers

    Let's say the range of the X-32 is 1000 km. A possible option is 1200 or more (i.e. the aircraft is not included in the range of the carrier-based aircraft of the American aircraft carrier.
    The range of the F-35B is 865 km. As for the means of destruction:
    Since 2017, Lockheed Martin Corporation has been developing a promising long-range air-to-air missile in the United States, the AIM-260 JATM, which is being created as a response to the Russian R-37M and the Chinese PL-15. According to the plans of the US military department, tests of the AIM-260 should begin in 2021, and full-scale purchases - from 2026 fiscal year.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 08: 18
      -5
      Can add:
    2. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 27
      +1
      The radius of action of f35 is greater than the launch range of the X32, I am already silent about the x22, but they are now the basis of weapons for the Tu22, 32e can only be launched from the "short story" and they are in the ranks ... This is such a harsh reality
      1. mark1
        mark1 6 February 2021 09: 09
        +4
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        32e is possible only from the "short story"

        My friend, are you by any chance working in the service of Greyhound Merin?
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 20: 25
          +1
          No, state the essence of your comment, if not difficult
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 6 February 2021 09: 20
        +2
        The radius of action and the launch range were compared?) Seriously? I'm even afraid to ask what exactly do you have to do with long-range aviation ... you know I hope that the range from the range is somewhere between 0,35- 0.4?))) The rocket does not need to return)))
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 11: 42
        -5
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        The radius of the f35 is greater than the launch range of the X32

        This is what you put on? Do you know the brand of aircraft for aircraft carriers? Not just an F-35, but an F-35B ...
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        This is such a harsh reality

        The harsh reality is that people like you don't need to prove anything.
        Therefore, you can go to your minuses like a Koch wand, and the X-32 (and similar products) will be an unsurpassed weapon against American AUGs at a range of up to 1500 km. While tests and checks are underway. This is what worries the American warriors. They are churning out aircraft carriers, the price of which in a real battle will be equal to 3-4 X-32 launches.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Do you know the brand of aircraft for aircraft carriers? Not just an F-35, but an F-35B

          US aircraft carriers now have 2 types of F-35C fighters with a combat radius of 1140 km and F / A-18E / F with a combat radius of 1100 with 3 PTBs.
          F-35B is a short takeoff and vertical landing aircraft, is in service with the ILC, the US Navy has nothing to do with it.
          1. lucul
            lucul 6 February 2021 13: 05
            -6
            US aircraft carriers now have 2 types of F-35C fighters with a combat radius of 1140 km and F / A-18E / F with a combat radius of 1100 with 3 PTBs.

            No no no ))))
            Only one thing, or PTB or outboard missiles))))
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 6 February 2021 13: 36
              -1
              Quote: lucul
              or PTB or outboard missiles




              1. lucul
                lucul 6 February 2021 13: 43
                0
                ))))
                The first photo fully reflects the whole picture. The F-18 can actually carry 8 missiles on board. And with outboard tanks, only one medium-range air-to-air missile, or a couple of missiles, but short-range))))
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 7 February 2021 19: 49
                  +1
                  Nothing like this. Dual (triple) missile holders are used. So in any case - 4 rockets under the wings and 2 at the tips.
                  Can be all AIM-120.
                  In your photo, 4 (!) Pylons for weapons and wingtips are free.
                  So you can take 8 missiles (double holders on the pylons closest to the center), with a combat radius of 1200 km without refueling.
                  (And deck refuelers are available)
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 7 February 2021 19: 46
      +1
      F-35V range - 865 km

      "Oh, how convenient" smile
      On AB there will be F-35S with a combat radius of 1140 km (without PTB and air refueling).
      E-2D and F-35S patrols are on duty in threatened areas.
      I drew attention to the latest videos of the preparation of aircraft (Navy, US Air Force) for the launch - they were all equipped with AIM-120D. (I suppose this is the advantage of a large budget - there are no problems with the purchase and re-equipment of ammunition).
  • URAL72
    URAL72 6 February 2021 08: 56
    -3
    Searching for an aircraft carrier is getting easier as technology is developing. You don't need to come close. With the alliance, there was such a tactic: - first, the X-22 is sent to the center of the order, and the YaBG in the air is undermined at the closest possible distance. Do you know the striking factors? Electromagnetic radiation? Panic? 250 kt is not a joke, Hornet can simply turn on the HYDRO location mode ... And then break through and hit the ships. Today the aircraft carrier is not the only target - even "Buyan" can cover half of Europe with the World Cup, the 8th CD with nuclear warheads. Few?
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 25
      +1
      For some reason, everyone is sure that we will start the war first and our anti-ship missiles will valiantly smash the enemy AUG. But it can happen and quite the opposite ... Although, I hope, there will be no war.
    2. 3danimal
      3danimal 7 February 2021 20: 02
      -1
      What does the use of nuclear weapons mean? - Carte blanche for its use on both sides.
      How will the air defense and airbase equipment behave during a high-altitude explosion? (From that de opera).
      How will they know? The AUG always has nuclear submarines, EMP will not affect them in any way.
  • prior
    prior 6 February 2021 10: 15
    +9
    Why search for AUG. Nobody lost them.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 6 February 2021 23: 08
      0
      Quote: prior
      Nobody lost them.

      like this? when the mess with Eun was Trump lost his AUG. couldn't remember where it floated lol
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 6 February 2021 11: 21
    +1
    Quote: Magic Archer
    I wonder how the AUG will be searched. Secondly, how to direct, well, and thirdly, they are also not fools and they will not be allowed to approach the aircraft carrier. More questions than answers

    When it comes to shooting aircraft carriers, it is generally pointless to look for AUG. It is enough to zero out the possible bases that are stationary. Does AUG sail for a long time without fuel, food, ammunition, maintenance?
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 8 February 2021 17: 59
      0
      But do you understand that this plan automatically means the destruction of our ports and military facilities, at least?
  • 3danimal
    3danimal 7 February 2021 19: 38
    +2
    According to my observations, most often they proceed from the fact that the commander of an aircraft carrier is just careless and stupid. request
    (Judging by the plans in the style of "we bam them, and ourselves without losses)
  • Tagan
    Tagan 6 February 2021 07: 57
    +3
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    But what about "Dagger"?
    Is he no longer a carrier killer?
    Or will we fence the "zoo"?
    There is also Zircon.

    Zircon - Airborne?
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 26
      0
      What prevents Zircon from becoming an air-launched missile?
  • U-58
    U-58 6 February 2021 08: 13
    +3
    The X-32 is essentially giving new life to the TU-22. Without entering the AUG air defense sphere, you can effectively cover the target.
    And if it is strategically significant, then use a thermonuclear warhead
    Reasonable and relatively inexpensive upgrade of the old system.
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 28
      -2
      New life will be given to him by the NK-32, but damn it, I very much doubt that the tovarischev from the Tupolev Design Bureau will be able to shove something unproductive
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 29
        -4
        Already if they could not under the Union ... But God forbid that I was mistaken
        1. lucul
          lucul 6 February 2021 13: 09
          -1
          Already if they could not under the Union ... But God forbid that I was mistaken

          I like these songs)))
          In the days of the USSR, the oppa sang in unison, from all the media, that we have no draft army, this is the last century, everything is outdated in the troops, and it is absolutely not a competitor to the United States.
          And now they are singing songs about the greatness of the USSR army.)))
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 6 February 2021 10: 32
        +1
        They said they would shove.
    2. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 30
      0
      Nothing fundamentally new compared to the X-22. The old "Aegis" were sharpened for the X-22, the new ones are being modernized to intercept the X-32. Everlasting fight of shield and sword. Having "Dagger" and "Zircon", making X-32 is a waste of resources and money. Besides, operating a rocket with wildly toxic propellants is still a pleasure. That would be the one who came up with this, in a gas mask and OZK for heat or frost.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 6 February 2021 08: 17
    +1
    This post contains more questions than answers.
    Well-known questions - launch range on ships,
    how is the control center carried out?
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 6 February 2021 08: 48
      +9
      Good day, a question for me? All my life, the control center was the same - first you find it with the help of the PNA, you take the target for escort, and then you give the control center to the rocket, so until the radar station sees the target ... About all these Lianas, Sunflowers and even more so A-50 smiled, By God, I can't imagine how information from the AWACS operator will help me about the presence of an enemy AUG in such and such an azimuth and at such a range, I still cannot find it, but I already know that there is an AUG, otherwise why I took off then ???
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 6 February 2021 09: 00
        +2
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        Good day, a question for me?

        No, the questions are not for you, but so ...
        I agree with you, you told everything correctly, I can
        just add that our backfire division flew
        "to hit the AUG", with the verification of the possibility of obtaining
        data on the place "AUG" from the A-50, in which there were
        division headquarters officers. In general, the game is not
        worth it, since we found ships earlier than the A-50.
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 6 February 2021 14: 15
          -1
          Have you heard anything about inertial guidance system !? recourse
      2. Volder
        Volder 6 February 2021 10: 42
        -1
        Quote: Rushnairfors
        By God, I can't imagine how information from the AWACS operator will help me about the presence of an enemy AUG in such and such an azimuth and at such a distance
        This is enough to launch an X-32 missile with a seeker, with a target acquisition range of 300 km, into that positional area.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 32
          0
          No, not enough.
    2. lucul
      lucul 6 February 2021 13: 10
      -2
      This post contains more questions than answers.
      Well-known questions - launch range on ships,
      how is the control center carried out?

      Fan of Timokhin?
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 6 February 2021 13: 45
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Fan of Timokhin?

        It's just that I used to work on the topic "X-22 according to NK" a little,
        so I'm wondering how things are now, what's new?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 February 2021 08: 53
    -3
    Great news. Dagger plus X-32, there is something striped to think about.
  • Tusv
    Tusv 6 February 2021 09: 16
    -4
    One missile carrier, 2 Aircraft carriers. He answers the request - you can fly, but swim "nizya. Ayyayay".
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 6 February 2021 11: 17
      +5
      The regiment for 1 AUG ..... was in Soviet times.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 6 February 2021 12: 08
        -4
        Quote: Zaurbek
        The regiment for 1 AUG ..... was in Soviet times.

        Oh. Will be mocked in European courts for excessive projection of force bully True, now one Tu-22 M3 regiment stands. Soak the Boss and scrupulously shoot the escort. Difficult, but necessary
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 6 February 2021 13: 47
          -1
          Quote: Tusv
          True, now one Tu-22 M3 regiment stands.

          In what sense is that? How to understand?
          By price, or by armament?
          Which regiment do you compare with?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 6 February 2021 13: 54
            -1
            By lethality with a conventional charge and without entering the air defense zone
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 6 February 2021 13: 56
              0
              Quote: Tusv
              By lethality with a conventional charge and without entering the air defense zone

              This is closer to delirium ...
              Tu-16 regiment with KSR-5 missiles practically
              did not differ from the Tu-22m3 regiment with the Kh-22.
      2. Taoist
        Taoist 6 February 2021 12: 24
        0
        2nd regiment ... Shock and support regiment ...
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 6 February 2021 09: 41
    +1
    Good rocket. Trabls with extremely toxic fuel only spoil the picture a little.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 6 February 2021 10: 31
    +2
    Question to the studio .....
    Why, in the presence of "Onyx" in land, sea, underwater performance ..... not hang it on the Tu22M3? .... Why do we need a "Zoo" of different missiles that are not fundamentally different from each other?
    - subsonic
    - 2-3M supersonic
    - GP type Zircon
    - Dagger-type MRBM.


    And here in the framework of 2-3 M in the country and Onyx and X22 and X32.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 6 February 2021 12: 46
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek

      Why do we need a "Zoo" of different missiles that are not fundamentally different from each other?

      1. "I blinded him out of what was." Attempts to revive the Soviet backlog, but something goes wrong: it flies badly / does not really hit. Therefore, they grab onto all the "last straws" at once.

      2. With such an abundance of "dust in the eyes" it is easier to "cut" a budget with a zero result, endlessly referring to the lack of funds with an imaginary abundance of #nonalohoff projects.
  • Taoist
    Taoist 6 February 2021 12: 22
    +1
    IMHO, of course, but I would be more worried not for the missiles but for their carriers. There are few carcasses left. Even if all together to collect on one full outfit for an attack is not enough. And we also need additional target reconnaissance groups, electronic warfare, etc. And from the MPA we have "horns and legs" ...
  • faterdom
    faterdom 6 February 2021 14: 20
    +1
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: Victor_B
    After all, goals are also different.

    Those. you are for the zoo.
    With the Dagger, by the way, they are classmates.

    What does "classmates" mean?
    What's the word "rocket" in both?
    Or by the mass of BG?
    Cruise (x-32) and "Dagger" (aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes, speeds and flight paths.
    In short: "Dagger" is guaranteed to overcome any modern air defense / missile defense, but each launch is a separate operation of a separate aircraft. Maybe then it will not be a single one, say, Tu-160M3 or something else, I don't know. That is, the subscriber who receives it will be able to watch for 15-20 seconds, enchanted, how the fur-bearing animal rushes to him in a flowery and fast pace.
    The cruise missiles of the "X" series, on the other hand, are more sharpened for range and flight stealth, and several of them can be installed in the TU-22M3 normally. That is, before doing it, the subscriber will only have time to say "Shit".
    Yes, both are big troubles for the AUG or individual NATO ships, but not the same. Quite fatal though.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 7 February 2021 09: 39
      0
      "Cruise (x-32) and" Dagger "(aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes, speeds and flight paths" - stop, what are these different purposes? Enlighten! And if the speed of the Kh-32 is lower and the ceiling is lower, and compare the hemorrhoids with the poisonous fuel of the Kh-32 with the convenience of the solid-fuel "Dagger", which is also lighter and which Tu-22m3 can take more - then why the heck she is, the Kh-32 , do you need?
      1. faterdom
        faterdom 7 February 2021 14: 13
        -1
        If you don't understand, read it two more times slowly.
        Look especially for "guaranteed overcomes". As they say in football - "non-handling ball". But, I don't think the Daggers will be used in packs.
        And the price, I think, is an order of magnitude different, and maybe more.
        So, from all sides not "classmates", maybe, except for the range (average), which, as a missile classification, has long been limping on both legs.
  • voronkin
    voronkin 6 February 2021 15: 32
    -3
    The Kh-32 cruise missile was tested from the side of the modernized Tu-22M3 bomber

    And Biden immediately signed a new nonproliferation treaty))))
    Let the men try something else And the United States will withdraw its bases from the borders of Russia and flee from the Outskirts
  • Pamir
    Pamir 6 February 2021 15: 40
    +1
    It would not hurt to see the withdrawal of aircraft carriers to the launch site, the location-range-target of the defeat, weather conditions, as well as measures by the attacked side. Fixing the attack site, if the approach of the missile carriers was and was detected, detection and tracking of the attacking object, counter-measures taken anti-air defense, camouflage of the defense of the attacked side, the removal of the target from the place of defeat, the ability to detect false targets with the X-32 missile, among the first passive corner targets, before hitting the target with the X-32 missile. Significant damage to the target ship? Well, of course, what is the external control center and in what way indicated the point of application with a rocket, or missiles. It is clear that no one informs the Ministry of Defense, the secrecy is NOT CANCELED, well, in general terms, it would not hurt.
    And this is how news comes out, of course good, but more detailed information is required. In the "News" section, I think the readers are not satisfied. Although, of course, the X-32 is an interesting weapon and probably an effective means of destruction, but not in the "News" section. what conditions (introductory), where, in what way, it is not clear. You can varnish everything, interest in the real possibility of application.
    Well, in general, the X-32 air-launched missile is promising, but like any other has its limits. It is supposed, after all, that the X-32 is a rather dangerous ammunition, give reason to put it into service, it is clear that it is with carriers.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 6 February 2021 16: 45
    0
    Cruise (x-32) and "Dagger" (aeroballistic) missiles have different purposes

    Yes, as a BE, the purpose is just one - an air-launched anti-ship missile.
    The range is about the same.
    Warhead power too.
    Carriers - more than once I had to read that the Dagger will be screwed to the Tu22m3m.
    Speed ​​... there is an undoubted advantage of the Dagger, then why the obviously weaker X32?

    IMHO a vegetable garden with a zoo solely for the maintenance of industry. The rockets are made by different factories, the complete set, too, and the money is shared. We must have enough for everyone.
  • Old26
    Old26 6 February 2021 16: 48
    +5
    Quote: mark1
    Maybe the fact that they fired from a Tu-22M3 without an M?

    And why did you shoot during the tests? Isn't it with the TU-22M3?

    Quote: OrangeBigg
    The Tu-22M3M is not suitable for launching the Dagger, because in terms of its performance characteristics it is not a MiG-31K. The MiG-31 can easily climb to an altitude of 25 km, accelerate to 3000 km / h, and then the rocket, reaching the drop point in a matter of minutes , already begins its autonomous movement. Tu-22M3M will not be able to do this, especially if you want to hang not one Dagger on it, but for example 4.
    For Tu-22M3M, lighter GZUR are suitable, for launching which the carrier aircraft does not have to accelerate to supersonic. So as you put it, the rocket zoo is needed purely for technical reasons. To launch the same X-32, the carrier aircraft does not need to accelerate to supersonic speed.

    Any aircraft capable of lifting this product are suitable for a dagger. The difference is that when launched from a lower altitude and at a lower speed, the range and final speed of the "Dagger" will be lower. And so it can be carried by the subsonic TU-95MS

    Quote: U-58
    Why isn't she flying 1000?
    Even Wikipedia says that it flies.
    I don't think the range is exaggerated there. Rather the opposite

    Has Vicki already become the ultimate truth? So besides Vicki, we have media people who, for example, say that a rocket with a range of 16000 km can reach America through the South Pole, with a distance of about 30 km. Believe too?

    Quote: lucul
    Pfff .... if Zircon was allowed to reach a distance of only 450 km, this does not mean that Zircon is not capable of reaching 1000 km))).
    1000 km is exactly the distance from which you can safely launch rockets at the AUG.

    You can start. Get in? but here how the suit will fall You can get there, but maybe not

    Quote: Volder
    Actually, the rocket maneuvers during flight. In the process of maneuvers, the seeker looks in different directions, i.e. the viewing angle becomes large.

    Do the creators of this GOS know about this?

    Quote: carstorm 11
    The radius of action and the launch range were compared?) Seriously?

    Alas, comrade, but it is written correctly. The KR does not have a radius of action, it "is not obliged to return to the airfield." So that's right. F-35B has radius, cruise missile has range

    Quote: URAL72
    Searching for an aircraft carrier is getting easier as technology is developing. You don't need to come close. With the alliance, there was such a tactic: - first, the X-22 is sent to the center of the order, and the YaBG in the air is undermined at the closest possible distance. Do you know the striking factors? Electromagnetic radiation? Panic? 250 kt is not a joke, Hornet can simply turn on the HYDRO location mode ... And then break through and hit the ships. Today the aircraft carrier is not the only target - even "Buyan" can cover half of Europe with the World Cup, the 8th CD with nuclear warheads. Few?

    Well, the strictest orders were delivered to the American ships. In the event of war, under no circumstances should you shoot down the leading missile that will detonate its nuclear charge in order to blind the AUG? So what? AUG order for what do you think? Not in order to fend off threats even HZ at what distance from the aircraft carrier. How many bombers were planned there to destroy one American AUG? Regiment or division?
    And dear. Please remember once and for all. The EIGHT launchers on the Buyan does not mean at all that it will have EIGHT cruise missiles with YABZ. On the project 58 cruiser with 16 missiles, the ammunition load was, according to the recollections of those who served, 2-4 missiles with nuclear warheads. As in the project 949 SSGN. Not 24 missiles with nuclear warheads, but much less. And you have some kind of superwunderwaffe. All missiles with nuclear warheads.

    Quote: Volder
    This is enough to launch an X-32 missile with a seeker, with a target acquisition range of 300 km, into that positional area.

    Damn, Dmitry! Where did you find this "information" that the capture range of the seeker is 300 km? For the first time after the release from the carrier, the rocket goes on autopilot, and only after entering the capture zone the seeker starts to work. And in order for it to start working, the carrier must see the target on its own radar. And what do you think they have a range of 1000-1200 km?
    1. Volder
      Volder 8 February 2021 12: 33
      -1
      Quote: Old26
      Where did you find this "information" that the GOS capture range is 300 km?
      From public sources, this is not a secret.
      the rocket is on autopilot, and only after entering the capture zone, the seeker starts to work. And in order for it to start working, the carrier must see the target on its own radar.
      When launched at a distance of more than 300 km, the rocket requires external target designation before the target is captured by the seeker. We are waiting for the full functioning of the Liana MCRC. In the meantime, the Tu-22M3M, using the NR-45 onboard radar, detects and selects surface targets at a range of 450-500 km.
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 6 February 2021 17: 17
    0
    I read the comments. It turned out as in the old bike about crayfish: Those big, Tu22 can take 3-4 pieces. But not Daggers. And those small ones cannot. But maybe a moment31. But one. But today. But very fast and high ... :)
  • Old26
    Old26 6 February 2021 18: 35
    +3
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Speed ​​... there is an undoubted advantage of the Dagger, then why the obviously weaker X32?

    The X-32 came to replace the supersonic X-22. "Dagger" is positioned as a hypersonic missile. These are two complementary complexes. Will the "Dagger" be bolted to the TU-22M3 - wait and see

    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Warhead power too.

    The question is still from the category of speculation. We do not know what the power of the warhead of the Kh-32 is. The Kh-22 EMNIP had a nuclear warhead capacity of about 200 kt. The "Dagger" (read "Iskander") has a MS EMNIP power of 50 kilotons. The difference is at least 4 times
  • Old26
    Old26 6 February 2021 21: 47
    +4
    Quote: Klingon
    no need to clown around, the Dagger is a stratospheric missile and is used from the MiG-31, the X-32 is a low-altitude cruise missile, the tactics of use are completely different, if the X-47 overcomes the AUG air defense on hypersound, then the X-32 "sneaks up" to the AUG on low closer and then makes a "slide"

    It is difficult to call the Kh-32 a "low-altitude" missile, like its predecessor, the Kh-22. At high flight altitudes - and this is 16-18 kilometers, the speed is higher (about 2,5M was in the X-22) and the maximum range for it. At low altitude, the speed was lower (about 2M) and the range was also lower.
    In addition, the "Dagger" before hitting the target will have a supersonic speed, simply slowing down in dense layers of the atmosphere
    1. Lozovik
      Lozovik 6 February 2021 22: 56
      0
      Quote: Old26
      At high flight altitudes - and this is 16-18 kilometers, the speed is higher (about 2,5M was in the X-22) and the maximum range for it. At low altitude, the speed was lower (about 2M) and the range was also lower.

      VT (upper trajectory) H = 22,5 km; M = 3,44
      NT (lower trajectory) H = 12 km; M = 2,04
  • Old26
    Old26 6 February 2021 23: 30
    +3
    Quote: Lozovik
    VT (upper trajectory) H = 22,5 km; M = 3,44
    NT (lower trajectory) H = 12 km; M = 2,04

    Thank you, comrade. So he confused the given parameters with the boat-ship "Granite"