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Once again about the Renault FT-17 tank ...

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Once again about the Renault FT-17 tank ...
Tank Renault FT-17 during the First World War on the first floor of the Army Museum at the Palais des Invalides in Paris


The military and engineers come to the creation of perfect military equipment in different ways. It happens that she appears too late and does not participate in battles. Unless its creation gives a certain experience ...

"It's better to do it once on time than twice correctly."
Saying of managers and engineers

Tanks of the world. Not so long ago, we published material on the French tank Renault FT-17 on VO. I don't know how timely it was, but the amount of information used in it was clearly not too great. Therefore, in this publication we will try to deepen this topic a second time. The fact is that a tank, any tank, is primarily an all-terrain chassis. And having such a chassis at hand, the military immediately wants to put a gun with a larger caliber on it. And all because the problem of moving artillery to support any offensive through the trenches on the Western Front was identified by the French army as central back in 1915, and it was then that it turned out that it could only be solved with the help of the same tanks. Or rather, quite heavy guns mounted on the chassis of tanks. Well, how it happened in the case of the Renault tank, we will tell you today ...

Need is the world's best customer!


And it so happened that the inability of wheeled vehicles on horse-drawn traction to cross the no-man's land of the battlefield became apparent very quickly, as well as the fact that only tracked vehicles can do this. Then the Ministry of Ammunition and the High Command of the French Army studied almost all possible options for moving artillery using tracked vehicles. As a result, it was concluded that there are only two suitable chassis: Renault FB and Schneider CD. The tank, and in fact, the Saint-Chamon self-propelled gun, had a speed on the battlefield of only 2,5 km / h, so it was considered unsuitable for a quick response to changes in the tactical situation.


This is what the very first self-propelled gun based on the FT-17 looked like. It is difficult to imagine something more ridiculous ...

But the production of the Renault FT light tank in 1917 opened up the possibility of solving the problem of transporting light field guns on the chassis of this particular tank. By May 1918, research was already underway on the use of reckless FT tanks equipped with light cannons, such as the 75-mm Mle 1897 field gun and the 105-mm Mle 1913 howitzer. At the end of August 1918, the Supreme Headquarters of the French army approved these studies and demanded immediately to issue a finished sample of such a machine. And already on September 3, 1918, a specification was issued for an SPG based on the FT-17 with a 75-mm Mle 1897 field gun, a crew of 4 (driver plus crew) and 100 rounds of ammunition, with a total weight of 5-6 tons. According to this specification, three prototypes of the future self-propelled gun were built. Moreover, the goal was to create such an SPG that could be used both as a counter-battery fire weapon and as an anti-tank weapon on the battlefield.


Front view


Driver's seat and ammunition rack

When other simplicity is worse than theft!


The first self-propelled gun produced was developed by Renault and tested in August 1918, after which it was submitted for official testing at the French army's training ground in Bourges on September 18, 1918. The car was made extremely minimalistic. The gun could only fire through the aft part of the ACS, and the barrel moved in a vertical plane from -4 ° to + 24 °, which limited the maximum range of the 75-mm gun. Details of how the azimuth guidance device worked are unknown. The driver had to leave the car before firing, and there was a pair of unprotected seats to accommodate two gun crews. In the boxes above the engine compartment, 40 shells were stored. Although the SPG turned out to be a fairly stable gun platform and met the requirements for cross-country ability and mobility on poor soil, poor ergonomics and smaller ammunition than indicated in the specification led the French army to abandon this SPG.


Front-mounted model

Renault also installed a 105 mm howitzer on the FT tank chassis. But even less is known about this version than about the first.

The failure with the Renault self-propelled guns led to the fact that the army command demanded from the Vincennes Arsenal to create a unit capable of carrying 150 shells (half a day of firing) and use the Gramme naval pedestal mount for a 75-mm cannon to mount a gun on a tank chassis. The front of the FT chassis was removed and the gun was mounted on a reinforced floor. The driver was moved to the center of the vehicle, similar to the failed Renault FT-75 BS prototype. The artillery crew had an unprotected bench in the rear of the chassis. The prototype had a rotation angle of 360 ° and an elevation angle of -8 ° to + 40 °, although at angles above + 10 ° the gun had to shoot through the rear of the vehicle. Ammunition 120 rounds. The first and only prototype was completed on October 9, 1918.


Transportation of the calculation to the ACS STA

The third model is the best


The latest development of the FT ACS was the "section Technique de l'artillerie" (STA) - a much more sophisticated design in which the engine was placed in the central part of the hull, and the rear part was open in such a way as to make room for the calculation of the gun, which was installed for shooting over the front of the car. The angle of rotation of the gun from -5 ° to + 41 ° when aiming at 11 °. The ACS could carry up to 90 rounds of ammunition.


The crew fires a Hotchkiss machine gun at an air target

This SPG was apparently built by Renault and sent to Bourges at the end of October 1918. On later modifications of the STA ACS, the rear platform was expanded, folding supports were added to prevent the vehicle from swaying during firing, and a Hotchkiss machine gun for self-defense.


ACS front view

One of the problems of operating ACS with rapid-fire guns was the laboriousness of delivering ammunition to them. The Renault company took this into account and released a prototype of a tracked vehicle for transporting ammunition with a cargo compartment of 1,5 mx 1,05 mx 0,9 m. The length of the tracks was increased in comparison with the FT tank. But only one prototype was produced, as it turned out that the existing Renault FB and Schneider CD could carry much more ammunition.


The first variant of the FT-75 BS

How two generals did not share one SPG ...


Well, then general squabbles began. The general, inspector general of artillery, opposed these self-propelled guns, since, in his opinion, towing guns with tracked tractors was the best solution. He managed to convince the commander-in-chief, General Pétain, who opposed the production of a trial batch of four self-propelled guns, which were proposed by the Ministry of Ammunition on November 6, 1918. However, the ACS also had supporters. General Saint-Clair Deville, Inspector General for Artillery Armaments, strongly supported the idea of ​​self-propelled artillery in December 1918. Pétain decided to avoid confrontation and ordered additional tests of the prepared prototype. But since by this time the war had already ended, and the FT tank was considered almost obsolete, the release of the STA ACS based on it was considered an irrational matter.


Tank FT-75 BS goes through the forest

Another attempt: a cannon in the body


However, another attempt is known to arm the FT-17 tank with a larger-caliber gun, and now it was more successful.


View of the FT-75 BS tank on the right

It is known that in 1918 the FT-17 was produced both with a machine gun and with a 37 mm cannon. Moreover, it was noted that, although the 37-mm cannon was quite capable of hitting light fortifications, to attack more solidly fortified positions, it requires a larger caliber gun. General Etienne, "the father of the French Panzer Corps", clarified that the "fire support" vehicle should be developed on the basis of the FT, but with the 75mm Blockhaus Schneider (BS) cannon, which was originally developed as a short-range fortress cannon, and then they began to install on the Schneider CA1 tanks. Despite the fact that the 75 mm BS cannon had a short range, its size, low weight, and high rate of fire made it attractive as an auxiliary weapon and on FT tanks.

The performance characteristics of this gun were as follows:

Caliber 75 mm
Barrel length L / 9,5
Angles of ignorance vertically from -10 ° to + 30 °
Horizontal aiming angle 60 °
Projectile weight 5,55 kg
Initial speed 200 m / s
Maximum firing range 2 100 m
600 effective range m

In early 1918, two different prototypes were built and tested. In the first sample, the driver was seated on an elevation in the center of the tank, and the gun was placed opposite it very low in the front of the tank. As a result, due to the limited visibility from the driver's seat, this car was difficult to control. And it was simply impossible for two gunners to service the gun in the cramped front of the vehicle. As a result, the project was rejected.


Seen on the FT-75 BS from the left

The second model was successful, but was unnecessary!


The second prototype was built by the Champlieu organization and was a complete redesign of the standard FT tank, replacing the turret with a fixed wheelhouse. It turned out that the increase in weight was limited to 200 kg (compared to the FT tank) with 35 rounds of ammunition available. This vehicle entered service as the Renault FT-75 BS, and in mid-May 1918, about 600 vehicles were ordered. It was planned that each company of FT tanks should have one FT-75 BS as a support vehicle, and about half of the order was to replace the failed Schneider CA1 tanks. The first production FT-75 BS was completed at the end of July 1918.

However, before the armistice in November 1918, only 75 BS vehicles were delivered, and, as far as is known, none of them took part in the hostilities. After the armistice, orders were drastically reduced, and in 1919 only 29 were produced.


These tanks survived to the point of being captured by the Germans in 1940!

Many of the FT-75 BSs after World War I were sent to French units in North Africa and Syria (Levant). Some took part in the fighting in the French colonies. Two tanks were discovered by the Allies in Tunisia in 1942 after Operation Torch and the invasion of North Africa.
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  1. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 8 February 2021 18: 09
    .
    A useless tank that didn't do anything worthwhile. Germany lost the economic war, and all these tanks did not play a significant role. At first there was a shock from the first applications, and then everything.
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 8 February 2021 18: 15
      +18
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Useless tank

      You are thinking like a person of the 21st century.
      If this tank were not there, there would not be many modern models.

      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      At first there was a shock from the first applications, and then everything.

      France built about 3800 Renault FT tanks
      US 950 units
      Because they were useless?
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 8 February 2021 18: 47
        +16
        Hi Michael hi

        You are thinking like a person of the 21st century.


        No, the person just wrote an obvious stupidity that the people immediately consulted and noted a rare case when cons are molded in the case and it is clear why. laughing drinks
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 8 February 2021 21: 39
          +4
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Hi Michael hi

          You are thinking like a person of the 21st century.


          No, the person just wrote an obvious stupidity that the people immediately consulted and noted a rare case when cons are molded in the case and it is clear why. laughing drinks

          I can not agree
        2. Mister X
          Mister X 8 February 2021 22: 05
          +3
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Hi Mikhail

          hi
          Quote: Sea Cat
          No, the person just wrote an obvious stupidity

          I didn't mean to be rude, so
          as a person of the 21st century
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 8 February 2021 22: 42
            +4
            Understandable, but tolerance is not always helpful. smile
            1. Mister X
              Mister X 8 February 2021 23: 12
              +4
              Quote: Sea Cat
              tolerance is not always helpful

              Boil wink
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 8 February 2021 23: 37
                +4
                Michael hi,
                in the Mamertine prison they will easily be "closed". winked
                1. Mister X
                  Mister X 9 February 2021 01: 22
                  +1
                  hi
                  Quote: lexus
                  to the Mamertine prison will be easily "closed"

                  Although I am a descendant of those who gave birth to the Capitoline she-wolf and the Dacian Dragon, it is unlikely that my fellow countrymen will be in prison at the Big Cloak.
                  Penitentiary # 13, or even further away ...
    2. faterdom
      faterdom 8 February 2021 18: 31
      +12
      Renault was just the first to release a massively more or less successful tank, and set the directions for the development of armored vehicles, which still continue in one way or another, in the form of tanks, self-propelled guns, armored personnel carriers, engineering vehicles.
      So it is possible to call Daimler's creation "useless", but for a hundred years it has filled the world with cars so much as it has never filled with any artifacts before.
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 18: 59
      +10
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      A useless tank that didn't do anything worthwhile. Germany lost the economic war, and all these tanks did not play a significant role. At first there was a shock from the first applications, and then everything.

      Victor is easy to argue a century later about the futility of inventions of the past! But having seen our Armata, T-72 and T-90 at the parade, at least it is necessary to pay tribute to this "surkuz" creation of Louis Renault! He was the first, later repeated, repeat and will repeat after him! The rest is from the evil one ...
      Vyacheslav, thank you for the long-running topic about the first serial tank with a classic layout!
      I propose not to abandon the topic, but to continue about the French, Italian, American and domestic replicas of this handsome man with wooden wheels!
      Only our series: Russian Renault and MS-1 (T-18) deserve a separate essay !!!
      Regards, Vlad!
      1. kalibr
        8 February 2021 19: 45
        +7
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Russian Renault and MS-1 (T-18) deserve a separate article !!!

        And where to get the "pictures"?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 8 February 2021 19: 53
          +6
          thanks. I feel a habit for beginners to write-explain (students) max simply and intelligibly
          without translation from military to scientific and literary technical thought.
          1. kalibr
            8 February 2021 19: 55
            +8
            After all, a "teacher" of VS from ... 1982 to 2017 ... and what only I and who have not taught. Even to Indians the history of Russia ...
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 8 February 2021 20: 13
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Russian Renault and MS-1 (T-18) deserve a separate article !!!

          And where to get the "pictures"?


          Google is your friend.

          https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%9C%D0%A1-1+(%D0%A2-18)&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjf2M3_49ruAhWJjVkKHcqDDnQQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1266&bih=874
        3. BAI
          BAI 8 February 2021 20: 13
          +6
          And where to get the "pictures"?

          So they are not measured. Provide a link to the source and all cases.
        4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 20: 56
          +6
          Especially for you I will go to Verkhnyaya Pyshma! This is the closest T-18 to me.
          1. kalibr
            8 February 2021 21: 05
            +6
            If only it's not difficult ...
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 24
              +5
              On Thursday I am going to the city, I will definitely stop by and take pictures from all angles.
              Basically, there is one of the largest collections of armored vehicles beyond the Ural Mountains! So order.
              By the way, we have a tank mauvais ton. Respectful organizations, from shops to various offices, are trying to hoist a tank in front of the entrance. Even in beer shops, there are empty Maxim machine guns on the counters, or they hang RPGs over the door at the top! laughing
              1. kalibr
                8 February 2021 21: 37
                +5
                I know about this museum, but isn't everything there covered with snow?
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 51
                  +6
                  Quote: kalibr
                  I know about this museum, but isn't everything there covered with snow?

                  Don't care, we'll dig it up! laughing
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 8 February 2021 21: 43
                +5
                Respectful organizations, from shops to various offices, are trying to hoist a tank in front of the entrance. Even in beer shops, there are empty Maxim machine guns on the counters, or they hang RPGs over the door at the top!
                One word: Highlanders!
                "Wild people, children of the mountains!" (WITH) laughing
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 22: 01
                  +4
                  Hello Anton!
                  If someone brings a T-70 to Nevsky Prospekt for beauty, they will not understand it, and they will also be sued for "fear and panic in Smolny"!
                  Everything is easier with us a handsome man in the center not far from the White House on Boris Yeltsin Street and everyone knows that this is just a hunting store !!! laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 8 February 2021 22: 13
                    +4
                    Hello, Vlad!
                    You see what's the matter, we don't have a White House ... request
                    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 22: 20
                      +3
                      We do have it, but the T-70 is politically correct towards it "stern", however, as a monument to the EBN! wink
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 8 February 2021 22: 23
                    +3
                    Everything is easier with us: a handsome man in the center not far from the White House on Boris Yeltsin Street
                    In general, of course, it is symbolic. And with humor!
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 8 February 2021 22: 51
                  +3
                  But on the other hand, it is beautiful and even with a certain hint.

                  "Above the counter is a sign: Every booze is a dollar."
                  Andy Tucker is sitting at the fireproof checkout, with a Colt in his hands.
                  Behind the counter is Jeff Peters, a kind of octopus exploiter, to his left the Colt and to his right the Colt. "
                  (I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the quote).
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 9 February 2021 03: 45
                    +4
                    At one end of the bar sits Jefferson Peters, a kind of eight-legged octopus exploiter, on his right he has a Colt and on his left he has a Colt, and he is ready to fight back either in dollars or a bullet. The establishment has three bartenders and a ten-foot-long sign on the wall reads "Every Booze Is A Dollar." Andy is sitting at a fireproof checkout, wearing a chic blue suit, a first-class cigar in his teeth, looking expectant.
                    Verbatim..... hi
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 9 February 2021 04: 20
                      +4
                      Thank you, Vladimir. smile Suddenly someone hasn't really read O "Henry, anything can happen. drinks
                      1. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 9 February 2021 07: 57
                        +3
                        Kostya hi I agree .... And it is very difficult to remember literally, but the meaning is conveyed! drinks
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 9 February 2021 04: 46
        +4
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        at least we must pay tribute to this "surkuz" creation of Louis Renault!
        I consider him a great creation.
    4. Simargl
      Simargl 9 February 2021 04: 45
      +2
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      A useless tank that didn't do anything worthwhile.
      Absolutely agree! Letting him out when all sorts of Leopard 2s, even T-14s, are opposing him is a stupid idea.
      ... although what am I talking about? It performed its functions 100%, had a classic layout, became a prototype for the MS-1 and T-18 ...
      And so - yes: a useless tank.

      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      all these dancers did not play a significant role
      In fact, the war has ceased to be positional with "these tanks".
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 14: 36
        0
        Quote: Simargl
        had a classic layout, became a prototype for the MS-1 and T-18 ...


        With all due respect, the T-18 and the MS-1 are one and the same tank. Or are you being so flabbergasted?
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 10 February 2021 17: 29
          +1
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Or are you being so flabbergasted?
          At first they called the T-18, but they adopted it as the MS-1 ... something like that ...
  2. polpot
    polpot 8 February 2021 18: 12
    +5
    Thank you, a lot of new things for me, good illustrations, only a hundred years have passed.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 8 February 2021 18: 19
      +10
      Quote: polpot
      Thank you, a lot of new things for me, good illustrations, only a hundred years have passed.

      another one...
      1. polpot
        polpot 8 February 2021 18: 44
        +3
        Thank you, curious frame
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 8 February 2021 18: 54
          +6
          Quote: polpot
          Thank you, curious frame
          I recommend :
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 8 February 2021 20: 41
            +6
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Quote: polpot
            Thank you, curious frame
            I recommend :


            Bishop - SPG. Luxurious, courtly thing. The model lies. Waiting in the wings.

      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 8 February 2021 18: 53
        +7
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: polpot
        Thank you, a lot of new things for me, good illustrations, only a hundred years have passed.

        another one...


        The most important is missing

        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 8 February 2021 19: 05
          +4
          Quote: sergo1914
          The most important is missing

          really!
        2. kalibr
          8 February 2021 20: 02
          +7
          This is my tank youth: 1979. All-Union competition for the best children's toy dedicated to the 110th anniversary of Lenin's birth. Scale ... arbitrary for rubber tracks from the rover. Somewhere around 1:16 ... went back and forth. The tower rotated, there was no tail behind. All of polystyrene, but covered with epoxy glue with sheets of brass riveted from the inside. Vile technology, but it turned out very realistic. As a result, the second prize (the first "Lenin atomic rover" is a prefabricated model!), And 150 rubles. cash. By that time, the salary of a senior researcher.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 8 February 2021 22: 48
            +3
            150 p. cash. By that time, the salary of a senior researcher.

            At TsAGI at that time, SNS (naturally, with a degree) received 280 rubles
            1. kalibr
              9 February 2021 08: 11
              +2
              We have it in Penza without a degree.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 19: 07
        +7
        I will add a photo of our Russian-Renault!

        Freedom fighter Comrade Lenin.
        An interesting fact, the tank was presented to Comrade Trotsky in 1920 by the workers of the plant, as the manufacturer said today. laughing
      5. kalibr
        8 February 2021 19: 56
        +6
        Eh, such a diorama could be made ... Today, such a model is being produced ...
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 01
          +7
          I got carried away with pieces of wood!

          Although Lemo seems to have a wooden T-18 model.
          1. kalibr
            8 February 2021 21: 04
            +5
            Well, what happens ...
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 8 February 2021 23: 03
            +3
            An absolutely wonderful toy, and it seems that it is covered in dust after a long journey, and the chauffeur will now crawl out of it and begin to knock this dust off himself with gaiters. smile
            And for some reason I immediately remembered the film "Director".
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 05: 55
              +3
              Thank you Uncle Kostya for your kind word! For painting, out of habit, I used at least three layers of stain. It will be necessary to cover it with oil for two or three times.
              To be honest, after the models of ships, it's outrageously simple, but damn it so fascinating. And on the budget, one and a half rubles is not seven or ten for one model.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 9 February 2021 06: 10
                +2
                I don't know if it makes sense to varnish, it looks too textured, just a real car.
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 08: 21
                  +2
                  Uncle Kostya - butter. Without coating, the stain will fade in the sun.
          3. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 February 2021 13: 13
            +2
            I got carried away with pieces of wood!

            It turned out beautifully! good
            And How? Easier than plastic? I haven't tried it just. Vlad, why didn't you say that you are fond of modeling? Sergei Mikhailov and Sergei-Phil are already exchanging pictures with might and main, and Uncle Kostya is not far behind ... drinks
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 14: 04
              +1
              It seems that I did not hide that I am fond of ship models! True, the peak of creativity has long passed, the presence of a wife, daughter and a cat has sharply reduced their living number.
              I became interested in wooden constructors quite recently. Apparently wood is closer to me than plastic.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 9 February 2021 14: 52
                +2
                Apparently wood is closer to me than plastic.

                Very very beautiful! good Is the machine gun also wooden?
                It seems that I did not hide that I am fond of ship models!

                But you also did not support conversations on this topic! Therefore, I did not even have the honor to turn to you for advice! drinks
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 February 2021 14: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  But you also did not support conversations on this topic!

                  I'm not that badass modeler. A couple of flying planes in childhood, with a dozen ship models. What you can be proud of is lost or needs repair.
                  The Nikolai machine gun is also made of wood.
                  About Pope Carlo smiled !!! good
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 10 February 2021 15: 27
                    +2
                    About Pope Carlo smiled !!!

                    This picture naturally came into my field of vision. Apparently, for me to share with you! drinks
                    I'm not that badass modeler.

                    Don't slander. We believe in you. yes
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 10 February 2021 10: 54
                +2
                I became interested in wooden constructors quite recently.

                Vlad, I'll joke in a friendly way, okay? drinks
      6. Kostya Lavinyukov
        Kostya Lavinyukov 8 February 2021 21: 36
        +2
        The excellent work of the Driver-Mechanic stabilizer can be noted.
  3. antivirus
    antivirus 8 February 2021 18: 19
    0
    tatluser olad yeporEV v a. voknat ilor yinaminop rd k illevirp eporvEZ v essosh - from voled

    read the other way around.
    oddities of VO and editors
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 18: 48
      +6
      Quote: antivirus
      tatluser olad yeporEV v a. voknat ilor yinaminop rd k illevirp eporvEZ v essosh - from voled

      Antivirus, and if without a collar for eversion?
      Damn "Rose fell on Azor's paw!" (C)
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 8 February 2021 18: 49
      +5
      One hell didn't understand anything. laughing
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 8 February 2021 19: 40
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        One hell didn't understand anything.

        And we'd better keep silent.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 8 February 2021 19: 49
          +2
          typed the usual cursive - she got out so herself. without show off. not known
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 8 February 2021 19: 55
            +3
            "Suffixes of technology", as Leonid Sobolev wrote. wink
          2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 05
            +4
            Quote: antivirus
            typed the usual cursive - she got out so herself. without show off. not known

            Ugh, you. My heart relieved!
            And then I just did not try to understand the meaning. And from right to left he read and furrowed.
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 9 February 2021 08: 30
            0
            Quote: antivirus
            typed the usual cursive - she got out so herself. without show off. not known

            Get in the habit of writing for people, not for managers and the media. With respect.
    3. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 8 February 2021 18: 55
      +3
      Quote: antivirus
      tatluser olad yeporEV v a. voknat ilor yinaminop rd k illevirp eporvEZ v essosh - from voled

      read the other way around.
      oddities of VO and editors

      Hebrew ??? wassat
  4. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 18: 21
    +7
    FT-17 as a bulldozer.
  5. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 18: 23
    +10
    Soviet and Afghan soldiers in front of the FT-17 tank. Afghan War, 1980s. The tank was originally sold by the French to the Poles and became one of the Soviet trophies in 1920. In 1924, this tank and 7 more similar ones were sold by the Soviet government to Afghanistan. In 2000, the Americans found it in a landfill in Kabul and returned it to the Poles, who, after renovation, exhibited it in the Poznan Museum.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 8 February 2021 19: 25
      +8
      In 2000, the Americans found it in a landfill in Kabul and returned it to the Poles.

      Not only to the Poles.
      USA - 2 copies.
      France - 1 copy.
      Poland - 1 copy.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 20: 12
        +5
        One of those taken to the United States is exhibited at Fort Benning like
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 8 February 2021 18: 31
    +3
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, - made me happy. Interesting stuff. Rare, not overused. I read it with interest.
  7. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 18: 35
    +8
    An incomprehensible product (or a mobile artificial wind installation, or a wind snow blower), made on the basis of the first tank of the classic layout - Renault FT 17.
  8. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 18: 38
    +9
    Renault FT-17, which seems to have an 37mm Panzerschreck RPG instead of its own 88mm cannon, the rear vacuum hatch of the turret is open. Well, the photo was taken, most likely, in the second half of WWII.
    1. Avior
      Avior 8 February 2021 19: 29
      +8
      It is logical that if the hatch is not opened, you cannot shoot
    2. kalibr
      8 February 2021 19: 49
      +7
      You brought a wonderful photo!
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 8 February 2021 20: 25
        +3
        As far as I understand, they first hit him with a harp, and then blew it into the port side, so that it flew right through and was blown away at the starboard wall.
    3. fone
      fone 6 March 2021 00: 07
      +1
      I would assume it is a flamethrower ..
  9. Grossvater
    Grossvater 8 February 2021 18: 38
    +4
    We have a cooler copy in Kubinka! Yeon with wooden idler wheels! I don’t remember if he was in Bovington and with what wheels.
    1. John22
      John22 8 February 2021 19: 31
      +4
      The Renault FT-17 tank was produced with wooden idler wheels upholstered in tin.
  10. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 8 February 2021 19: 27
    +6
    So the uselessness of Mr. Kharaluzhny turned into usefulness.
    How's the classic "The Decembrists woke up Herzen ...."
  11. yehat2
    yehat2 8 February 2021 19: 33
    +5
    seen in a kubinka Renault ft. The wooden rollers were shocked.
    it does not fit into my concept of a canister.
    but the German mine tank was even trickier.
    straight stilt from Star Wars.
  12. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 February 2021 19: 36
    +13
    I met this one quite well on the go, in 2018 at the Museum of American Armor on Long Island in Old Betpage, 30 miles from Manhattan.

    This is the 6-ton M1917 tank, also known as the Ford Two-man, a US WWI light tank, a variant of the Renault FT.
    In the background is an Israeli M48 Magah, aka Patton III taken from Jordan in 1973.
    1. kalibr
      8 February 2021 19: 50
      +6
      Your photo or not?
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 February 2021 20: 10
        +7
        Quote: kalibr
        Your photo or not?

        It is this, not mine, but the museum from the spring rollout.
      2. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 9 February 2021 12: 46
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Your photo or not?

        If you Vyacheslav Olegovich need photos of Renault-17 - there are a couple of personal photos from the Tank Museum in Parola Finland:

        1. kalibr
          9 February 2021 12: 57
          +1
          Thanks! If yours are personal - I'll take it!
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 9 February 2021 14: 35
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            Thanks! If yours are personal - I'll take it!

            My personal, I will send you an email.
            1. kalibr
              9 February 2021 16: 39
              +1
              Received. Many thanks!
    2. BAI
      BAI 8 February 2021 20: 26
      +6
      You had a good report then.
      https://topwar.ru/143917-muzey-amerikanskoy-bronetehniki-long-aylend.html
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 February 2021 20: 32
        +9
        Quote: BAI
        You had a good report then.
        https://topwar.ru/143917-muzey-amerikanskoy-bronetehniki-long-aylend.html

        Thanks. Yes, it worked out well then. It will be necessary to rummage through the archives, there should be materials from several museums. Maybe I'll scrape together an article. hi
        1. BAI
          BAI 8 February 2021 20: 58
          +5
          But this is also yours?
          https://taudok.mirtesen.ru/blog/43147303090/Muzey-amerikanskoy-bronetehniki-Long-Aylend?utm_referrer=mirtesen.ru
          And there is much more material in it than you gave on VO. Is there a volume limitation on VO?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 8 February 2021 21: 54
            +4
            Quote: BAI
            But this is also yours?
            There are no restrictions. Everything is just like that.
            An article of mine, copied by someone from VO one to one.
        2. kalibr
          8 February 2021 21: 09
          +3
          And really - great stuff!
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 8 February 2021 21: 56
            +6
            Quote: kalibr
            And really - great stuff!

            Glad you like it. Unfortunately, now no one flies anywhere and museums are closed everywhere ...
            1. kalibr
              8 February 2021 22: 04
              +3
              Quote: A. Privalov
              museums are closed everywhere ...

              Yes, and tightly closed!
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 8 February 2021 22: 55
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                Yes, and tightly closed!

                I hope that the heavens will open, and museums too.
                Here, I found another one in my archives. This is also M1917, but from a museum in Virginia. Once, I got there. The museum is quite packed with technology.
                1. kalibr
                  9 February 2021 12: 59
                  +2
                  Can I use this photo in my articles?
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 9 February 2021 13: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    Can I use this photo in my articles?

                    Certainly! Use it to your health. hi
                    1. kalibr
                      9 February 2021 16: 40
                      +1
                      Thank you!
  13. bubalik
    bubalik 8 February 2021 19: 38
    +9
    FT-75 BSs were sent to French units in North Africa and Syria after World War I.

    French Syria / Levant. The self-propelled guns are unloaded from the conveyor truck.

    1. kalibr
      8 February 2021 19: 51
      +7
      What a gorgeous photo in the theme you have found! No wonder it is said: seek and find!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 8 February 2021 20: 02
        +7
        Vyacheslav, hello. hi
        I read from the Patients that one of the first tank companies in Israel was armed with Reno, but I was not aware of which modification, the crews were Russian, from the USSR.
        But here it is necessary to ask our Albert more precisely.
        1. kalibr
          8 February 2021 20: 04
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          But here it is necessary to ask our Albert more precisely.

          And hello to you and best wishes. Yes. I personally don't know ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 8 February 2021 20: 12
            +8
            Everything, I got to the bottom, it was Reno R-35, but the crews are definitely Russian.

            Photo caption:
            In the ranks of the "Russian" company of the 82nd tank battalion of the IDF. 1948 year. The car with the number "612" has a French commander’s turret. Noteworthy are Soviet-style tank helmets. Such helmets of Czechoslovak production were used at the IDF until the end of the 1950s.
            There were also "Hotchkiss" N-39.
        2. bubalik
          bubalik 8 February 2021 20: 28
          +8
          Israel
          ,, he seems to be close, I just found out that the history of the Brazilian tank forces began in 1921 with the purchase of 12 Renault FT-17 tanks belay winked
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 8 February 2021 21: 02
            +5
            "And in sunny Brazil, my Brazil,
            Such an abundance of unseen animals. "(C)

            Incl. and Renault FT-17 smile drinks
  14. BAI
    BAI 8 February 2021 20: 38
    +9
    But the tank started like this:




    The first wooden mock-up of a light tank, presented by Louis Renault in October 1916.
    и
    Louis Renault in front of a wooden mock-up of an FT light tank, December 1916
  15. Undecim
    Undecim 8 February 2021 20: 48
    +11
    Renault also installed a 105 mm howitzer on the FT tank chassis. But even less is known about this version than about the first.
    The only source that reports a French attempt to mount a 105mm cannon on an FT-17 is a Charlie Clelland. Moreover, the Canon de 105 mle 1913 cannon is mistakenly referred to by Schneider as a howitzer.
    The author reports that "Renault also experimentally installed a 105mm howitzer on the chassis of the FT tank. Very little is known about this version, but it seems that the upper part of the hull has been heavily modified to fit the howitzer."
    No other source reports on this experiment.
    On the other hand, there is a well-known attempt to install a 17 mm gun from the Italians on the FT-105 chassis, for which they really had to seriously alter the hull.

    The Ansaldo specialists installed the 105 Obice da 105/14 modello 18 howitzer on the tank chassis.
    The car was made in one copy. It was supposed to build 12 such self-propelled guns and reduce them to a self-propelled artillery battery. But the tests carried out in April 1919 showed a rather controversial result, so the planned experiments with the installation of French guns on the tank
    Cannone da 105/28 was not performed.
    Apparently, the author Charlie Clelland did not fully understand and attributed the Italian experiments to the French.
  16. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 16
    +6
    The Italians on the basis of Renault made a highlight in the form of Fiat 3000. Perhaps he and Fiat 2000, the most odious achievements of Italians in tank building in general.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 8 February 2021 21: 28
      +7
      Maybe he and Fiat 2000, the most notorious achievements of the Italians in tank building in general.
      Why offensive?
      ODIOUS - causing an extremely negative attitude towards oneself, extremely unpleasant.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 February 2021 21: 30
        +6
        So I, Victor Nikolaevich, used the term "odious" incorrectly. Let's consider something worthwhile, worthy of respect.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 8 February 2021 21: 39
          +6
          Let's just say - extradited. Simple and tasteful.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 8 February 2021 22: 58
      +3
      Vlad, where is the photo? request
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 06: 05
        +3
        Yes, let me do it!



        From top to bottom: Fiat 3000 (female), Fiat 3000a (cannon), Fiat 2000 (with a 66 mm mountain howitzer in the turret). The first is the best Renault clone, the second is possibly the most advanced tank of the First World War.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 9 February 2021 06: 07
          +3
          Thank you, thank you for your service! soldier
  17. vladcub
    vladcub 9 February 2021 07: 01
    +2
    Now I don’t remember, "Krasny Sormovets" was on Renault?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 08: 25
      +1
      Hi Vladislav, that's how it is. The small series based on Renault-FT-17 was called by different names: Russian Renault, Tank-KS, Tank-M, Renault Russian, after the name of the head tank “Fighter for freedom tv. Lenin ". Krasny Sormovets "if I'm not mistaken was the third in the series.
      Together with "Ricardo" they were part of the First Armored Regiment of the Red Army.
      Approx. "Ricardo" is the domestic name of the English "rhombuses" Mark 4 and 5. I even met drawings in the red army camouflage of British "Greyhounds", but they were part of this regiment I can not confidently say.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 9 February 2021 14: 08
        +2
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Krasny Sormovets "if I'm not mistaken was the third in the series.


        Number 15 was the tank named "Victory".
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 February 2021 14: 25
          +2
          Thanks for the addition! So I was wrong, I thought the proper name!
          As I met black-and-white photographs of tanks from parades on Red Square, where the names of the participants were listed and at the end was written “Russian Renault” or “Red Sormovets”. So they denoted the type, and not the tank's own name.
  18. Xlor
    Xlor April 27 2021 11: 07
    -1
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    Germany lost the economic war

    All wars are economic! Whoever ran out of steam earlier lost!