A flying laboratory with an electric power plant is being created in Russia

ZAO SuperOx has developed the world's first engine with an efficiency of 99,7 percent, the principle of which is based on superconductivity. Now in Russia they are creating a flying laboratory with an electric power plant, where such an engine will be used.

It is reported by the news agency. Interfax.

Andrei Dutov, Director General of the Zhukovsky Institute, told reporters today that, in his opinion, the serial production of aircraft with fully electric power plants will be launched by 2030.

Now the Siberian Research Institute, which is part of the Zhukovsky Research Center, has created the first flying laboratory on an electric drive, which will make its first flight this year. It is built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the nose of which, where the propeller is located, an auxiliary 500 kW electric motor is installed. The standard engine in the tail section was replaced by a turboshaft gas turbine engine with an electric generator.

Today the laboratory in Novosibirsk has successfully passed ground tests. The aircraft was rolled out of the hangar, after checking the compatibility and stability of its systems.

In two years, a similar flying laboratory is planned to be created on the basis of the Il-114. An electric motor with a capacity of 1 MW will be installed there.

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[NDR-791]

built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the bow of which, where is the propeller,
EEEE .... ???? Can I correct something in the article ??? Or remove the cross or wear panties ???

[Zapasnoy]

Yes, the text of the news is somewhat damp. Or the journalist misunderstood and altered.
Although there are such Yak-40 laboratories for engines with a nose rotor (engine)

[Anarchist]

I could at least bother to look at the picture, which I myself posted, that this aircraft does not have a nose propeller a priori.

[kit88]

Another picture

[Anarchist]

Duc is a completely different plane, conceptually different from what is proposed in the photo by the author.

[UVB]

The same but with the hood

[Guru]

The same but with the hood

We crossed the An-2 with the Yak-40, it turned out YakKukuruza.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Anarchist

at least bother to look at the picture that he posted

If I'm not mistaken, in the photo for the article, an experimental one based on the Yak-40 with two engines and a one-piece carbon fiber wing, it seems to have been flying for a couple of years.

[NDR-791]

A fully electric flying laboratory will be created in two years - the N.N. Zhukovsky
05.02.2021 8: 08: 11
Novosibirsk. February 5th. INTERFAX-SIBERIA - A production aircraft with a fully electric power plant may appear by 2030, says Andrei Dutov, Director General of the Research Center "Zhuklovsky Institute".
"According to all world plans, such aircraft should appear somewhere around 2030," he told reporters in Novosibirsk on Friday.
He noted that the electric motor developed by SuperOx CJSC using the effect of superconductivity is the first in the world.
According to him, a flying laboratory with a hybrid power plant has been created at SibNIA. based on the Yak-40, a 500 kW electric motor is installed on it as an auxiliary one, the plane should fly in 2021. The electric motor is installed in the nose of the aircraft with a propeller, In the aft fuselage, the standard engine was replaced with a turboshaft gas turbine engine with an electric generator.
The next flying laboratory based on the Il-114 will appear in two years, a 1 MW engine must be created for it, he said.
"The next laboratory will be created in two years, it will fly on electric motors, without auxiliary electric motors," Dutov said.
He also noted that similar engines can be used in shipbuilding and rail transport.
According to Andrey Vavilov, Chairman of the Board of Directors of ZAO SuperOx, the efficiency of the electric motor is 99,7%.
The scheme will be adapted for the IL-114 flying laboratory, he said.
Andrey Grigoriev, head of the Advanced Research Foundation, noted that certification of the aircraft electric motor is expected to be completed by the end of the 2020s.
“According to our plans, the plans of the Ministry of Industry and the Zhukovsky Research Center, certification, as I understand it, should be completed, everything should be done by 2030 so that electric planes appear in life,” Grigoriev said.
On Friday, in Novosibirsk, the ground testing stage of the flying laboratory on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft began, the aircraft was rolled out, the compatibility and stability of the work was checked.
"Everything is working normally," Vladimir Barsuk, general director of the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation, told reporters.
Here is the full article. The journalist confused everything

[Starover_Z]

Quote: NDR-791

The next flying laboratory based on the Il-114 will appear in two years, a 1 MW engine must be created for it, he said.
"The next laboratory will be created in two years, it will fly on electric motors, without auxiliary electric motors," Dutov said.
He also noted that similar engines can be used in shipbuilding and rail transport.

And what are the dimensions of a 1 MW electric motor ?! For ships and electric locomotives, yes, but where on the plane is this ?!

[dauria]

For ships and electric locomotives, yes, but where on the plane is this ?!

"Electric energy from HTSC generators through frequency converters is supplied to the HTSC cruise motors. The use of high-temperature superconductors as part of an electric machine makes it possible to increase the specific power values ​​up to 10-15 kW / kg"
This is already taking into account the cryogenic installation. Already close to aviation, even taking into account the "vegetable garden" turboshaft engine - generator-engine.
This is from the project card.
Number 17-19-01269
Title "Creation of superconducting electric machines with high power density for promising more / all-electric aircraft"
Lies here https://www.rscf.ru/prjcard_int?17-19-01269

[dauria]

but where on the plane is this ?!

The helicopter transmission can already be replaced. The specific power of the generator - engine reached the level of the gas turbine.
And even in the Mi-8MT and Mi-24 the gearbox weighs 2 times !!!! more than two engines. (two TV3-117 engines of 295 kg And the main gearbox BP14 or BP 24 - 820 kg or 830 kg. Plus the transmission in the tail).

Of course, the price ... Of course, the very beginning of the road ... But the light is really visible.

[Thrall]

It is not in vain that SuperOx spent the received grant. Now also for space. The day before yesterday they shared the details of the development and testing of a powerful electric rocket engine (ERE) with a superconducting magnet:

https://www.superox.ru/news/fevral-2021/3569

Although, it was possible to follow in the footsteps of I. Musk, and prepare the electric version of "LADA" for launch into space

[Pereira]

Typo. Implied Yak-4

[Guru]

Typo. Implied Yak-4

What nafig Yak-4 YAK-4 Start of operation in autumn 1940-End of operation in 1942.

[Pereira]

Well, Duc in the picture is a jet plane, and in the article about the propeller. So I suggested.
And the fact that the Yak-4 of 40 is a revelation for me. Thank you very much.

[Guru]

Well, Duc in the picture is a jet plane, and in the article about the propeller. So I suggested.
And the fact that the Yak-4 of 40 is a revelation for me. Thank you very much.

It happens Michael, mine to you

[Jacket in stock]

The flying laboratory based on the Yak-40 aircraft was developed by the FSUE SibNIA im. S.A. Chaplygin ". For testing an electric motor with a propeller was installed in the nose of the aircraft. A turboshaft gas turbine engine with an electric generator is installed in the rear fuselage instead of the standard AI-25 engine. In the central part of the fuselage, lithium-ion batteries were installed, which are also part of the GSU.

The decision to use the Yak-40 aircraft was made in 2018. In the same year, an aerodynamic model of a flying laboratory in a wind tunnel was created and tested. To equip the Yak-40 with an electric motor, it was remotorized (two of the three main engines were replaced with modern ones with a higher thrust), the airframe design was improved, parts and assembly units were produced, with the help of which the demonstrator is installed on board the flying laboratory.

[NDR-791]

Here I am about the same

[Zapasnoy]

Wikipedia gives a picture of a flying laboratory with a bow engine. Indeed, there are such Yak-40

[NDR-791]

So it is necessary to write in the article YAK-40LL. And then the shadow on the fence ...

[svp67]

Quote: NDR-791

built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the bow of which, where the propeller is located,
EEEE .... ???? Can I correct something in the article ??? Or remove the cross or wear panties ???

[Ilya098]

Here are some more photos.

[Guru]

Ilya098 (Ilya)
Here are some more photos.

Pipelats just tin He still has a couple of jet and one Hypersonic

[Stas 2rep]

this is what the text is about

[Piramidon]

Quote: NDR-791

built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the bow of which, where is the propeller,
EEEE .... ???? Can I correct something in the article ??? Or remove the cross or wear panties ???

I don't see anything unusual. We installed a motor with a propeller in the bow, so it is there.

[smart ass]

The whole article is somehow fantastic

[Vadim237]

Already the reality engine has been created.

[nod739]

They gave the wrong picture. And it is written in the article clumsily. Watch the video at this test. There, the Yak-40 was converted for testing, and it really has a propeller in its nose))

[yfast]

By 2030, either the padishah will die, or the donkey will die.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: yfast

By 2030, either the padishah will die, or the donkey will die.

I understand that this news is like a knife to your heart. But don't be discouraged. God willing, some accident will happen somewhere, or they will move something to the right.
There will also be a holiday on your street!

[yfast]

I'm happy with the news, but not happy with the timing. For three years now we have heard a lot of things we will deepen, expand, expand. As under the late Brezhnev. How did it end? What does the accident have to do with it?

[Rubi0]

Rather, some Western businessman will finance the startup of the chief designer who left the project and receive technology, because we all love to dispossess our businessmen with big money)))

[altimo1]

Well, the project "Ukraine" may do one of them.)))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

ZAO SuperOx has developed the world's first engine with an efficiency of 99,7 percent, the principle of which is based on superconductivity.

How can this be, since education and science in Russia have been successfully destroyed?
The Soviet must have been stolen somewhere, or they are lying.
Ah, I get it! Someone else is passed off as their own!
We are not "uryakalka" what to believe that it is developed in modern Russia, right? (srkm)

[NDR-791]

You don’t understand !!! The plane is still Soviet !!! And they did it at the same time !!! (if cho, then a lot of sarcasm)

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

We are not "uryakalka" what to believe that it is developed in modern Russia, right? (srkm)

This is not the point. The turbine engine itself can rotate the propeller. But in this chain, for some reason, they put in a generator and e-mail. engine. What for?
For example - you take out a lighter and matches. Light a lighter from a match and light a cigarette from a lighter.
Here either the author of the news, a journalist, confused something or ...

[orionvitt]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

for some reason they put in a generator and e-mail. engine. What for?

For the "especially literate", the article is written in black and white. Because flying laboratory.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

To test the operation of the generator-motor circuit. It doesn't even matter what the plane will be, but the Yak-40 is better suited, because it has 3 engines and can be tested more or less safely by installing an electric generator instead of the standard engine.
And the scheme is interesting for helicopters, vertical takeoff planes and much more.

[iouris]

How will this affect defenses?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: iouris

How will this affect defenses?

The configuration of all aircraft will be changed, incl. and the military. Their performance characteristics will change, new options for their use will appear.

[Piramidon]

Quote: iouris

How will this affect defenses?

Also ask how this will affect potato yields and milk yield.

[Tektor]

So quietly, imperceptibly, technical progress is going on. This is a real achievement. I wouldn't be surprised if it can be found under the hood of a super electric car.

[APASUS]

the first ever electrically powered flying laboratory, which will make its first flight this year. It is built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the bow of which, where the propeller is located,

The author was too lazy to find a picture for the news and for this there are such comments. People are not discussing the engine itself, but the possibility of installing the Yak-40 on the nose. Although the SuperOx office is very serious, well done guys

[Elturisto]

The place of these aviation charlatans in the felling. The electrical efficiency of the gas turbine engine used to drive the generator is at best 20% (taking into account the compression losses, mechanical losses on the generator shaft), compared to the direct drive to the propeller. To this must be added the increased weight at the expense of electrical machines (generator and electric motor, wires, control system) .In the USSR, for such arts initiators would definitely not get a job except as a watchman ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: ElTuristo

The place of these aviation charlatans in the felling. The electrical efficiency of the gas turbine engine used to drive the generator is at best 20% (taking into account the compression losses, mechanical losses on the generator shaft), compared to the direct drive to the propeller. To this must be added the increased weight at the expense of electrical machines (generator and electric motor, wires, control system) .In the USSR, for such arts initiators would definitely not get a job except as a watchman ...

Or maybe in the future he will receive electricity not from the gas turbine engine, but from the ground, by air. Well, like a wireless charger for a mobile phone. Technology is advancing.

[Elturisto]

It's scary to take you as a watchman ... do you know anything about the law of conservation of energy? Air is a worthless conductor in general. Most of the energy will simply dissipate in the atmosphere. Therefore, the wires are copper, high density and therefore conductivity :). Who teaches you at all . It's just scary, such fierce ignorance.

[Piramidon]

On electrical engineering issues, I can give you, impolite rude person, 100 points ahead. I have been connected with this for half my life. And you, besides copper wires, do not know anything about the transmission of electrical energy. The world has been working on the problem of wireless transmission for a long time (since the time of N. Tesla) and there are significant successes in this area. However, it is useless to explain anything to you. You can only bark "like a dog"
https://hightech.plus/2020/08/04/sozdana-tehnologiya-besprovodnoi-peredachi-energii-na-bolshie-rasstoyaniya

[Elturisto]

And a clear witness of the sect of Tesla's inventions hidden from mankind :) So I would immediately write :) Here are the same Novosibirsk uhonya who invented a completely aluminum engine and nothing ... https://nplus1.ru/news/2019/01/28/engine. But what is wrong with copper wires? Give up this archaic way of transmitting electricity, and do edge ... 100 shackles ahead :)

[Genry]

Quote: Piramidon

I have been connected with this for half my life.

Can you then tell us which receiving system / antenna are supposed to be used and what is the efficiency of the receiving antenna and the entire power transmission path?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Genry

Can you then tell us which receiving system / antenna are supposed to be used and what is the efficiency of the receiving antenna and the entire power transmission path?

Did I really say something about what is associated with the development of wireless transmission? I only wrote about electrical engineering.

[Genry]

Quote: Piramidon

Did I really say something about what is associated with the development of wireless transmission? I only wrote about electrical engineering.

Then don't make authoritative claims about zero.
And don't believe in fairy tales!

[Jacket in stock]

SibNIIA are not lazy at all.
By the way, they have the option of modernizing the Yak40 as such. With minimal alteration of the airframe's aerodynamics, it is proposed to make it of plastic (composite, of course).
Just like they remade An2.
True, both aircraft are with imported engines, they are not of their own.
Therefore, there are no real prospects.
Look, they even tried to introduce the same An into the series, they loudly told on TV how it would be beautiful, the plant was even appointed, and then they quietly hung up and a new ROC with a more realistic design. For a piece toy (a technology demonstrator, of course) is one thing, and a Russian factory is quite another.

[Radical]

Quote: NDR-791

built on the basis of the Yak-40 aircraft, in the bow of which, where is the propeller,
EEEE .... ???? Can I correct something in the article ??? Or remove the cross or wear panties ???

It has just been shown on the news - the propeller is indeed present, and it is in the bow.

[Krasnoyarsk]

I understand that = The standard motor in the tail section is replaced by a turboshaft gas turbine engine with an electric generator. = Which will generate electricity. current from which the email will work. engine installed = bow =
In a word, I didn't understand anything. What, a turboshaft gas turbine engine cannot directly rotate the propeller?

[Guru]

So what, a turboshaft gas turbine engine cannot directly rotate the propeller?

Of course it can, but in this case it is used as a generator. And then I think they will shove batteries into the salon, or tinker with which thread a mini-reactor.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Guru

Of course it can

I understand that it can. I just don’t understand, because I don’t know why a short chain - engine-propeller, replace with a long chain - engine-generator-electric motor-propeller?
Probably something I don't know.

[Guru]

I understand that it can. I just don’t understand, because I don’t know why a short chain - engine-propeller, replace with a long chain - engine-generator-electric motor-propeller?
Probably something I don't know.

They want to determine "Can an airplane fly on an electric engine in principle, the issue of energy supply is put on the back burner. For this, they use the principles of superconductivity, something like that."

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I understand that it can. I just don’t understand, because I don’t know why a short chain - engine-propeller, replace with a long chain - engine-generator-electric motor-propeller?
Probably something I don't know

There may also be such an option as placing the generator set in a place more convenient for generating energy, like on diesel locomotives and ships, with such an electric motor efficiency it makes sense, well, perhaps the generator sets themselves can be made from cheaper materials, if they are not placed on the wings eg.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

The jester knows him, but judging by the comments, everyone is delighted for some reason.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

So what, a turboshaft gas turbine engine cannot directly rotate the propeller?

The gas turbine engine (GTE) can of course also directly rotate the propeller. But sometimes a powerful source of electricity is required on board to power, for example, a power microwave phased array antenna or an optical laser .. And if the gas turbine engine will directly rotate the propeller, who then will power the said electrical loads? The second advantage of the aircraft's hybrid propulsion system is that the electric motor can operate as a recuperator of the aircraft's kinetic and potential energy into chemical energy stored in the onboard storage batteries, and thus save fuel. In addition, the mode of operation of the gas turbine engine for the electric generator will be basic, without sudden increases in load, which have a detrimental effect on the resource of the gas turbine engine. frequent shutdowns of the turbine lead to its rapid wear and tear.

[Elturisto]

You do not understand, no one will give money for an ordinary theater of operations, the topic is being sawed by more serious guys from Moscow time. And they give for a breakthrough project for the electrification of aviation.

[venik]

"....Andrey Dutov, General Director of the Zhukovsky Institute, told reporters today that, in his opinion, the serial production of aircraft with fully electric propulsion systems will be deployed by 2030..... "
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I did not quite understand: and WHERE do electric motors take energy from batteries (? ) or still from a turbine generator, as in a flying laboratory? If it is the latter, then the question is HOW can such an installation be called "fully electric"?
In general, this is a serious step forward! Efficiency 99,7% - this is serious!

[Vadim237]

Just a hybrid propulsion system.

[venik]

Quote: Vadim237

Just a hybrid propulsion system.

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So I'm talking about it!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: venik

But in general, this is a serious step forward! Efficiency 99,7% is serious!

This is not about the entire power plant, but only about the email. engine.
= ZAO SuperOx has developed the world's first engine with an efficiency of 99,7 percent, the principle of which is based on superconductivity. Now in Russia they are creating a flying laboratory with an electric power plant, where such an engine will be used. =
And the efficiency of the entire power plant will be much lower.

[venik]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

This is not about the entire power plant, but only about the email. engine.

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Naturally! Turbines have a relatively low efficiency of 40-45%, for electric motors it is much higher - for low-power ones 70-90%, for powerful ones (over 100 kW) - up to 97%. It used to be considered the limit..... But 99.7% is already seriously! Only some 2-3 percent, but the trick is that it used to be considered practically impossible!!!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ElTuristo

The place of these aviation charlatans in the felling. The electrical efficiency of the gas turbine engine used to drive the generator is at best 20% (taking into account the compression losses, mechanical losses on the generator shaft), compared to the direct drive to the propeller. Added to this is the increased weight due to electrical machines (generator and electric motor, wires, control system)

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I don’t understand, because I don’t know why a short chain - engine-propeller, replace with a long chain - engine-generator-electric motor-propeller?
Probably something I don't know.

You're almost right.
This is a flying laboratory. And it is not the entire plane that is being worked out, but only the electric motor.
From what it will be powered in this case, it does not matter at all, even from a steam engine.
And then the finished engine can be powered at least from a diesel generator, even from batteries, even from solar panels or electrochemical (fuel) cells.
And a scheme with taking power to the generator from the shaft of a turbojet engine also takes place.

[Felix]

Colleagues, it seems to me that we have gone a little to the side. I am a person far from aviation, but let me have my 5 kopecks.
There are advantages even in this combination of GTE-generator-electric motor.
1. The GTE operates in the optimal mode, providing maximum efficiency regardless of the flight mode.
2. As you know, gas turbine engines are quite inert, and it takes some time to change the thrust regime. An electric engine is capable of building up shaft power very quickly - even in comparison with piston engines, and this is flight safety.
3. Non-productive losses associated with the need to maintain 100% power on the generator shaft can be compensated for with the help of a buffer accumulator, where the "excess" power will be merged, and from where the lack of power will be compensated for when operating at overmodes.

[yfast]

Three times as expensive, three times as heavy, three times as unreliable. And immediately to the sky. We know how when we want.

[Felix]

Are you talking about the possibility of replacing the helicopter gearbox, which is three times heavier than the power plant? Or about the successful application of this bundle on the ground, in hybrid vehicles, where it has long been the norm? About unreliability - in your opinion, is the replacement of mechanics and hydraulics in passenger aviation with electric drives also a threefold decrease in reliability?

[yfast]

No, on earth it's okay to try, but straight to the sky ...

[Felix]

So they have been trying for a hundred years, how much do they need? The same amount?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Felix

There are advantages even in this combination of GTE-generator-electric motor.

Thanks. Cleared up a bit.

[John22]

The appearance of the Yak-40, with the fourth engine, seems to be sorted out. Now the question is; and whether the diameter of the propeller is not small for such an aircraft. Although there are six blades, the takeoff weight is 13-15 tons. Or is it just to check the functionality of the email. engine under load.

[Guru]

Closing the article