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Russia will receive a line of engines for domestic attack drones

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Russia will receive a line of engines for domestic attack drones

A line of domestic piston engines designed for installation on Russian-made unmanned aerial vehicles will appear in the mid-2020s. About this in an interview RIA News said the general director of the Central Institute of Aviation Motors (TsIAM) named after P.I. Baranova Mikhail Gordin.


According to him, work on the creation of Russian piston engines is underway, the technical requirements for them have been determined by the Ministry of Industry and Trade. A number of domestic engines of various capacities will be created within five years.

(...) I am sure that in five years there will be standard domestic piston engines of various capacities - 50 "horses", 80, 150, 200, 500, on the basis of which drones can be built in the interests of the Ministry of Defense

- explained Gordin, adding that he does not consider the lack of Russian aircraft engines to be the main reason that the attack drones have not yet gone into mass production.

In his opinion, there is no catastrophic lag behind other countries in the creation of shock drones, Russia will soon switch to the serial production of domestic drones.

(...) It is much easier to catch up and overtake than to run ahead. (...) Based on the experience of others, we can make our own better. In terms of propulsion technologies, there is no catastrophic lag. Everything is solvable

- added Gordin.

At present, Russia is developing or has already created the Orion, Korsar, Okhotnik, Thunder, and Altius attack drones. Of these, the first contract for serial production has been signed only for Orion, all other drones are at various stages of development. One of the main requirements for domestic drones from the Ministry of Defense is the maximum share of Russian components.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 February 2021 08: 01
    +5
    So, after all, something was stolen from partners?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 5 February 2021 08: 11
      +8
      So, all the same, something was stolen from partners?
      And this business is not shameful, even if so. They wither - not small.
      work on the creation of Russian piston engines is underway, the technical requirements for them have been determined Ministry of Industry and Trade.
      I'm more interested in why the customer is like that? Have we really started ordering something for the national economy? And only then interest the army.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 February 2021 08: 27
        -1
        For example, to view the crops of grain, and then weed. For agriculture, one propeller, for "partners" the other is more powerful and not one under the wing and of different nomenclature! Option? hi
        1. Crash
          Crash 5 February 2021 12: 26
          +10
          Quote: tralflot1832
          For example, browse grain crops,

          I don't know about grain crops, but, for example, to look out for forest fires and people lost in the forest ... UAVs are needed not only for military purposes.
          A bit off topic. In the Krasnoyarsk Territory, mourning was announced today for the firefighters who died while extinguishing a warehouse of auto parts. Among them was my friend comrade ... The land they rest in peace
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 5 February 2021 12: 41
            +5
            I join in, I offer my condolences to everyone! I sympathize. In peacetime it is always hard to lose friends by an absurd accident.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 5 February 2021 09: 07
        +6
        Quote: NDR-791
        Have we really started ordering something for the national economy?

        A subdivision of unmanned aerial vehicles from Rosneft has been located and operates in our city for ten years now. Their operators work on a rotational basis, they live in an apartment in my entrance. Watching well pads and oil pipelines.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 5 February 2021 09: 13
          -5
          In our city for ten years now, a subdivision of drones from Rosneft has been located and operates
          Have you seen a drone? And it says - Made in Russia? Don't tell my slippers. Here, in general, speech starts from 50hp.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 5 February 2021 12: 39
            +11
            Quote: NDR-791
            Have you seen a drone? And it says - Made in Russia? Don't tell my slippers

            Here is to keep your slippers from laughing and develop their engines. And "Hagen" gave the example of Rosneft, only to show that UAVs are needed not only in the military, but also in the civilian sphere.
          2. Hagen
            Hagen 5 February 2021 17: 53
            +3
            Quote: NDR-791
            Have you seen a drone? And it says - Made in Russia? Don't tell my slippers. Here, in general, speech starts from 50hp.

            You, it seems to me, are even more dense than your slippers, because you are arrogant, but not able to see what is in the public domain. Since 2015, the UAV units have tested and operated on several types of vehicles. But they started with a Supercam UAV manufactured by the Unmanned Systems Group of Companies. The manufacturer's homeland and location is Russia. The weight of the device is about 11 kg. What are there "with 50 hp" You even, in principle, have no idea what these divisions are doing there, and what they need for this. The only thing that can be blamed on me is the timing of their work, because they started working in 2015, i.e. not 10 years ago, but a little less. laughing
      3. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 12: 18
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        Ministry of Industry and Trade.
        I'm more interested in why the customer is like that? Have we really started ordering something for the national economy? And only then interest the army.

        At one time, VAZ produced rotary piston engines for special vehicles, something for light aircraft and there were topics for the military.
        RPD for a drone, the very thing is high power density and, accordingly, lightness of design.
        1. Alexander Seklitsky
          Alexander Seklitsky 6 February 2021 05: 36
          0
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          RPD for a drone, the very thing is high power density and, accordingly, lightness of design.

          Not a bad option for a drone. Rotary engines are low-resource, and the drone assumes a long stay in the air. With all its advantages, this main drawback neutralizes everything
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 6 February 2021 10: 41
            0
            Quote: Alexander Seklitsky
            Rotary engines are low-resource, and the drone assumes a long stay in the air.

            Cars with RPD were mass-produced and their resource was more than any aviation resource.
            There was a problem with the toxicity of exhaust gases, they did not fit into the new environmental standards, and if they tried to increase the toxicity, fuel consumption increased.
            By the way, the RPD was used in aviation, including abroad.
            1. Alexander Seklitsky
              Alexander Seklitsky 7 February 2021 07: 21
              0
              there is a problem not only in toxicity. Even a Japanese engine nursed a maximum of 150 thousand. Compared to a conventional internal combustion engine, which takes out 400 thousand. Avtovazovsiy RPD nursed 70-80 thousand before overhaul, so such an engine did not take root.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin 7 February 2021 11: 20
                0
                At VAZ, investments in the development and production technology were based on a leftover principle - small-scale production. With a serious approach, the resource would be larger.
                But 70-80 thousand is the equivalent of 1500-2000 aviation hours. For a drone - above the roof, he will not live that long.
                And in general, it is not worth comparing the resource of aviation and automobile ICEs, there are very different requirements.
      4. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 5 February 2021 17: 03
        0
        "Ministry of Industry and Trade.
        I'm more interested in why the customer is like that? Have we really started ordering something for the national economy? And only then interest the army. "
        "

        UAVs are going to be used in large quantities, therefore, partly as a consumable.
        Should be cheap.
        The engine makes up a large part of the cost. Therefore, it should not be a product of the military-industrial complex = expensive, but a mass product from the civil sector.

        The warriors probably puzzled the Ministry of Industry and Trade with the question of what kind of cheap modern domestic civilian engine do you have that would suit us?
        - "none"
        - "well then, work and whatever"
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 5 February 2021 08: 32
      +3
      And they have nothing to shove, we ourselves with a mustache. Here the main machine tool base and materials science with funding.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 08: 37
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Here the main machine tool base and materials science with funding.

        The main thing is not to let the "cutters" come close! wink Otherwise, no funding base will help! laughing
        1. 2112vda
          2112vda 9 February 2021 10: 02
          +1
          It's funny! They rule everything.
      2. Hagen
        Hagen 5 February 2021 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        we ourselves with a mustache

        Outpost, sorry, we are too .... Rotax 914 F is also ours ...? I think there is something to learn, and we do, to the extent possible and necessary.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 5 February 2021 09: 24
      +4
      The goal is to manufacture the engine in the Russian Federation and provide it with a UAV. The rest is trivia.
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 5 February 2021 09: 31
      +14
      Stole what ??? The engine has been under development for 10 years, 5 years as presented.
      In the summer MAKS-2015 at the exposition of OJSC "Gavrilov-Yamskiy machine-building plant" Agat "(OJSC" GMZ "Agat", Yaroslavl region, Gavrilov-Yam) for the first time was presented to the general public line of new domestic aircraft piston engines (ADF). It became clear that in soon will be able to get off the ground on this topic ...

      The design of gasoline engines at OJSC GMZ "Agat" was carried out with 2010 d. on its own initiative. IN 2013 the plant was entrusted with the implementation of the State order for the creation of aviation engines in a short time and preparing them for serial production... At present, OJSC "GMZ" Agat "is becoming the head enterprise in Russia for the production of APDs.



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    6. Peter is not the first
      Peter is not the first 5 February 2021 21: 33
      0
      So, after all, something was stolen from partners?

      Why was it stolen? :) "Partners" themselves donated samples in Syria, Iran, Libya and Nagorno-Karabakh.
    7. 210ox
      210ox 6 February 2021 16: 52
      0
      Stole from partners ?? !!! Oda the bright head - a graduate of the Kazan Aviation University went to Germany. And there he made engines for the same drones. Maybe they called back? They came to their senses.
    8. 2112vda
      2112vda 9 February 2021 09: 58
      0
      There is nothing special about "crap". Again we repeat the mistakes of the past, in the 30s under the leadership of "fiery commissars", now "effective managers with competent competencies with their management horizontal". So nothing new, the same "running in a circle".
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 5 February 2021 08: 07
    +10
    Within five years, a number of domestic engines of various capacities will be created.

    And what, for the next five years we will be discussing "stages of a long journey" ???
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 February 2021 08: 08
      -6
      So this is a whole line of engines! Not so simple
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 February 2021 08: 12
        +5
        It would have been simple, then there was nothing to talk about.
        About the "ruler" is clear, they will design \ distort, NO QUESTION! And the production, technological, SCIENTIFIC base. where how???
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 5 February 2021 08: 18
          +6
          And the production, technological, SCIENTIFIC base. where how???
          Scientific is directly the one who and the developer. And the rest ... Well, at least ours will be given to production. The plant has not yet been destroyed, only reduced in size, equipment and machines have been updated. OMO them. P.I.Baranova, Omsk. It seems to be a direct production base of the developer.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 February 2021 09: 26
            +2
            Quote: NDR-791
            It seems to be a direct production base of the developer.

            When / if it all works fine, it will work.
            Previously, this was encountered ... no matter how serious / leading institution had its own production base! Then there were much fewer problems with the implementation of scientific and design plans.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 5 February 2021 09: 32
              +3
              When / if it all works fine, it will work.
              Pah-pah-pah through the left. Boom to hope. Although the plant is working - repair orders
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 5 February 2021 09: 38
                0
                Yes, at least ... the main thing is that it would work.
                Although, acceleration must be gained in flight! if only no one clipped the wings.
        2. Runway
          Runway 5 February 2021 08: 34
          +1
          “Lieutenant! Silence !!! ”(c) is about“ where ”.
          Today, scraps of the staff of the “Radiopribor” plant in the “city of Nashenskoye” went to a rally about “the last nails in the lid of the plant's coffin” (the head in Dubna buries the plant, adjusting it to a non-core asset).
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 5 February 2021 09: 28
            +4
            Our tank tank was also lost, only the rembaza remained
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 5 February 2021 09: 29
            +2
            Quote: WFP
            it's about where.

            Do not tell my horseshoes ... where, what else is left and can do something, our bosom "partners" already know! They do not know, there local semi-fools will lay out everything.
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 5 February 2021 09: 15
        0
        I don't think the line is 5 engines. 50 and 80 hp modification of one engine can give. If you try, then 150 and 200 - too. There is a living example - the same tank, or PD-14, VK-650.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 5 February 2021 09: 25
          +2
          Why? There used to be single stars ... double, quadruple ... up to 2000 HP from the Americans.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 5 February 2021 09: 32
          -2
          The main thing is to start the BUSINESS !!! right, of course! and there, along the way, it is determined what is needed and how much.
          Although, preliminary plans need to be REAL.
    2. Irokez
      Irokez 5 February 2021 08: 21
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      And what, for the next five years we will be discussing "stages of a long journey" ???

      There will be no discussion: - "Just think about it, everyone can do that, but isn't it easier for pensioners and homeless people to distribute and reduce poverty."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 February 2021 09: 33
        -3
        Quote: Irokez
        Do you think done

        Not without it ...
        nothing, let's break through! ours are no strangers.
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  3. APASUS
    APASUS 5 February 2021 08: 31
    +7
    I keep looking at our officials and wonder if it will take 5 years to create a line of engines. How did our industrialists produce planes then in WWII? Of course it was a war, but the planes were drawn on the drawing board and engines too, there was no CNC, and now a full range of automation ...................
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 08: 40
      +4
      Long-term plans - ensuring a comfortable existence. laughing
      Looks like Rogozin for the same reason calves for a long time.
      1. prior
        prior 5 February 2021 09: 13
        +6
        Non-punishment is exactly what looks like an infinite cycle of design, production, testing and revision.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 5 February 2021 11: 28
          0
          Quote: prior
          infinity of the cycle of design, production, testing and revision

          This is exactly the eternal process and the course of human thought and ingenuity that always looks ahead, and not what you said - "Non-punishment".
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 15: 17
            +3
            Quote: Irokez
            Quote: prior
            infinity of the cycle of design, production, testing and revision

            This is exactly the eternal process and the course of human thought and ingenuity that always looks ahead, and not what you said - "Non-punishment".

            Exactly. You can endlessly improve, refine and recycle. Therefore, there is the term "freeze of the structure" - a specific date is set after which no changes in the structure are allowed.
            This date is set on the basis of the planned launch dates for production and the time required for production preparation.
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 5 February 2021 19: 14
              0
              That's right, otherwise, with all the advice and improvements, absolutely nothing can be done specifically and you have to send it to the farm.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 5 February 2021 09: 33
      -1
      Aren't you surprised by the low service life, high accident rate, design flaws, marriage of engines of those difficult years? Now the requirements are different. Let them work.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 5 February 2021 10: 52
        +2
        I completely agree. The service life was very low for all equipment and ground ones too. In addition, they drove in a stream and a marriage in manufacturing was inevitable, but for a very great need for the front, this went into battle, because the survivability of the equipment in battle was small from this and the quality was not much hampered - they took in quantity. The Germans were better, of course, but they also drove as best they could to the front.
    3. mlad
      mlad 5 February 2021 10: 40
      -5
      then one call from Stalin was enough
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 5 February 2021 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: mlad
        then one call from Stalin was enough

        No, there was not enough, because even upstairs they understood that "You can't jump above the roof." They pressed, demanded they put them in sharashka, but no one could make a single call into space and beyond weapons.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 February 2021 11: 13
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      I keep looking at our officials and wondering how to create a line of engines in 5 years. How did our industrialists produce planes then in WWII?

      And so it was produced: 90% of promising cars with excellent performance characteristics did not go into series precisely because of the lack of motors.
      Does the Air Force need a fighter? Here's to you, dear aircraft designers, M-105 and AM-35 - and do whatever you want with them. And somewhere in 1944, we may be able to finish the M-107. Oh yes, formally there is still the M-82, but in fact until the middle of 1942 it is not - the engine is "raw" (even in mid-1943 it was "raw").
      Moreover, even the presence of a serial engine does not mean anything - the M-88 is an example of this. They tested it, adopted it, launched the production of DB-3F and Su-2 for it - and take the engine and show your temper. It took six months of revision, during which the Air Force was sitting without new long-range and short-range bombers.
    5. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 12: 22
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      I keep looking at our officials and wonder how to create a line of engines in 5 years

      Reciprocating engine from the beginning of development to launch into series, 5 years period is not even bad. For anyone, even for the Japanese and the Germans.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 February 2021 13: 20
        -2
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Reciprocating engine from the beginning of development to launch into series, 5 years period is not even bad. For anyone, even for the Japanese and the Germans.

        This is an interplanetary spaceship! Nothing like this if:
        The discipline "Design and calculation of engines" is read
        on the last two courses of full-time and part-time students and ends with a course project. Continuation of the course
        final year project is a graduation project.
        Diploma project - the final creative stage of the educational process for the training of mechanical engineers of the specialty
        "Internal combustion engines". During its implementation, the student must consolidate the theoretical and practical knowledge acquired during his studies at the university, and show the ability to independently solve engineering problems for the design, testing and operation of internal combustion engines.
        Completion of the diploma project on internal engines
        combustion should facilitate the acquisition of students' experience
        and design skills when developing new machines, to develop
        the ability to solve technical and economic issues arising in the design.
        At the same time, the future young specialist is given the opportunity to show his capabilities, technical horizons and readiness for subsequent engineering activities.
        Subjects of course and diploma projects include:
        a) development of new internal combustion engines for cars, tractors, motorcycles and other transport and traction
        technology;
        b) development of modernized engines for the same machines;
        c) development of special and promising engines: rotary piston, gas turbine, with external combustion, rodless, etc .;
        d) development of equipment for testing engines.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 15: 01
          +3
          Quote: APASUS
          This is an interplanetary spaceship! Nothing like this if:
          The discipline "Design and calculation of engines" is read
          on the last two courses of full-time and part-time students and ends with a course project. Continuation of the course
          final year project is a graduation project.

          Are you kidding me? What does the course or thesis project have to do with the development and production of an automobile, ship or aircraft engine?
          PD-14 seems to be finished soon, but there is work on PD-8. Let's disband the design bureau as unnecessary, and instead instruct several students to complete the development - one finishes the design, the second makes prototypes, the third conducts tests, the fourth develops the manufacturing technology, the fifth ensures the contracting and supplies of equipment, the sixth installs the equipment and ensures its operation, the seventh teaches production personnel ... etc. etc. Plus the same command for the engine control system, the same for fuel delivery.
          The list of works is simplified, I do not detail the stages of work - I am sure that you yourself are able to draw up for your students network schedules of all work from the approval of the technical specification to the launch into mass production (I wonder how many years or months you will spend on this).
        2. 2112vda
          2112vda 9 February 2021 10: 14
          0
          The second point of your post correctly describes the receipt of specialty 0523 "Piston and combined engines". The point is not that you can or cannot "draw" the motor. Who will do it? Even the recognized Western giants of the automotive industry do not rush into the field of piston aircraft engine building. Not everything is so simple there. An attempt to stick "auto-conversion", for all occasions, in aviation is another attempt to "cover all women's charms with one palm at once." For "effective managers" this is normal, they can only count numbers, not even cash costs. Gordin can say anything, he is not a minder, and his job is like "talking to talking."
  4. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 5 February 2021 08: 32
    +2
    Well, I don’t know if they stole it or not, but we still have to do something, otherwise we will not see luck.
    And you have to do it yourself, otherwise waking up like a super-duper Jet!
  5. Konnick
    Konnick 5 February 2021 08: 36
    -2
    Get ... develop ... create ...
    A lot of such news. And then ... Or will the shah die or the donkey will die?
  6. askort154
    askort154 5 February 2021 08: 38
    +2
    One of the main requirements for domestic drones from the Ministry of Defense is the maximum share of Russian components.

    Finally, we realized that we had to do everything with our own hands using our own materials. You cannot depend on "partners". Today he is a partner, and tomorrow he is an ardent Russophobe. Russia is a rich country, both in resources and personnel. We need to organize production in the interests of the state, and not in the interests of extortionists of budget funds for personal enrichment.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 5 February 2021 09: 11
      +5
      Quote: askort154
      Finally got it

      It is still far from understanding. Otherwise, there would not have been such a technological gap between the military and civilian industries. When they write that, along with the line of domestic piston engines for UAVs, technologies for light civil aviation and automotive engine building will develop, then we can really talk about some kind of understanding.
      1. askort154
        askort154 5 February 2021 09: 28
        +3
        Vita VKO ...... When they write that, along with the line of domestic piston engines for UAVs, technologies of light-engine civil aviation and automobile engine building will develop, then we can really talk about some kind of understanding.

        The range includes 150, 200 and 500 hp engines. They are perfect for civil light aircraft. "If there were bones, the meat will grow." If there is an engine, sculpt around it: even a UAV, even an airplane, even a Zhiguli, even a truck, etc. hi
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: askort154
          If there is an engine, sculpt around it: even a UAV, even an airplane, even a Zhiguli, even a truck, etc.

          An aircraft engine is not suitable for a car. As well as vice versa.
          1. askort154
            askort154 5 February 2021 12: 42
            -3
            Captain Pushkin ...An aircraft engine is not suitable for a car. As well as vice versa.

            The ADF can be attached to any ground tarantass.
            I stuck a clutch with a gearbox to the output shaft, and forward. In the 30-40s, liquid-cooled piston engines were often used in aviation. And now not a few "homemade products" fly on the Zhiguli engine. The T-80 cuts through on a gas turbine engine borrowed from aviation. hi
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 15: 08
              +2
              Quote: askort154

              The ADF can be attached to any ground tarantass

              Of course you can, but not necessary. More precisely, it is not advisable to put aviation on land transport - either in terms of fuel consumption or production cost or resource.
              Automobiles are only suitable for winged home-made products - the power density, from the point of view of aviators, is not high, the overweight of the summer construction.
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 5 February 2021 17: 57
                0
                Quote: Captain Pushkin
                Automobiles are only suitable for winged home-made products - the power density, from the point of view of aviators, is not high, the overweight of the summer construction.

                This line is made on the basis of the engine from Aurus, there is enough information on the internet))
                1. Captain Pushkin
                  Captain Pushkin 5 February 2021 19: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: ZEMCH
                  This line is made on the basis of the engine from Aurus,

                  Based on doesn't mean repetition. Our first (more precisely, the First) tank diesel V-2, for example, was created "on the basis" of an aircraft engine.
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 6 February 2021 09: 50
          0
          Quote: askort154
          "If there were bones, the meat will grow"

          The problem here is not in using the developed engines for civilian purposes, but in new technologies and new materials, which should improve the quality of internal combustion engines of other Russian enterprises.
          The second problem is the tradition of enterprises engaged in the development and mastering of new technologies for budgetary funds. They always strive to stake out intellectual property for themselves and try to monopolize it. Which naturally puts an end to the general development of competitive technologies.
          Hence, it turns out that having unconditional leadership in the state space and nuclear industries, the rest of the commercialized industries are forced to beg around the world, duplicating or acquiring long-developed technologies, just to stay afloat. Because no commercial enterprise, even a very large one by Russian standards, can in principle afford to spend huge sums on fundamental research in the field of chemistry, physics, materials science, electronics, etc.
        3. 2112vda
          2112vda 9 February 2021 10: 19
          0
          Do you understand what you are writing? For starters, try to harness the pony to a heavy-load cart instead of a bitug. Then try to get the pony to move the load cart. We have all "auto-makers" "big specialists" in the field of motor engineering, especially aviation.
  7. Galleon
    Galleon 5 February 2021 08: 47
    +9
    It seems that the person is not at all in the subject. Some common soothing phrases with mild irony. I did not even mention that there is a design bureau or a pilot production that is engaged in this. If they do not exist, the topic is not open and funded, where will it come from? From the mere desire of the innocent? He is the director of the Institute of Aircraft Engines. Mentioned kids at 50-500hp. aviation is not interesting in any way.
    Maybe the wrong person was asked? This one, of course, talked with pleasure, but also with the cunning, as they said about Ilyich, the first.
  8. Svetlana
    Svetlana 5 February 2021 09: 05
    0
    Quote: tralflot1832
    So, after all, something was stolen from partners?

    Not. This means that universities have finally begun to produce a sufficient number of young and educated engineers. That is, to release techies and not sales managers.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 5 February 2021 09: 52
      +8
      Universities were not capable of this in the USSR either. Don't be mistaken. A university, even the best one, cannot graduate an engineer, even if it is impossible to buy a test and an exam at this university. And if possible, there will be no engineers at all. Never. So, the best university produces only a blank. A person becomes an engineer if he has been thoroughly trained in a profession in production for at least five years. There are no exceptions and cannot be. Since this stage is impracticable, and the purchase of grades from us is ubiquitous, universities will never graduate any engineers.
      The words of the director of the institute only mean that he received funding, and now he is ready to arrange it beautifully and smoothly with papers. Instead of an engine. Well, how is this done nowadays everywhere ...
  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 5 February 2021 09: 48
    +2
    Will a full-fledged machine line, metallurgical shop, and production of plastic parts be implemented? And is it all connected to the plant? Complete design? Oh well...
  10. JD1979
    JD1979 5 February 2021 10: 11
    +4
    According to him, work on the creation of Russian piston engines is underway, the technical requirements for them have been determined by the Ministry of Industry and Trade. A number of domestic engines of various capacities will be created within five years.

    Shaw again?)) Is this a good fairy tale?, Start over. And what have you been working on for a dozen years before? For Altair, an engine was developed by order in Germany and it seems that it was planned to build a plant in Russia. For Orion, the engine has been developed since 2013 at least, apparently the end is somewhere far ahead. And what requirements have you been working on up to now?
    Well, in fact, according to the available information, the main problem in creating engines in all cases is the electronic component base, various sensors and "brains", as well as software. The engines themselves did not cause problems in the hardware. And this very "component base" is a bottleneck in the overwhelming majority of Russian import substitution. Maybe it is worth approaching the solution of this particular problem? So that each design bureau does not try to make its own electronics on the knee, because the readings and types of sensors are the same, which is at 50 HP, which is at 500 HP. Then the development will not drag on for decades.
  11. senima56
    senima56 5 February 2021 13: 55
    +2
    This means that it turns out: there are no attack drones in the series, there are no own engines for drones. But then: "... there is no catastrophic lag behind other countries in the creation of shock drones ..."! fool hi
    1. D16
      D16 5 February 2021 15: 39
      +3
      This means that it turns out: there are no attack drones in the series, there are no own engines for drones.

      Pay attention to the gradation of capacities in the article. It lacks the most massive segment among 110-120 hp shock drones. It is covered by our analogue Rotax 914 APD-110/120. It should be placed on Orion.
  12. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 5 February 2021 19: 35
    +1
    Fairy tales. You still cannot make an engine for AN-2. You only pull money from the budget ...
  13. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 5 February 2021 19: 49
    -1
    That is, in 2026?
    Maybe we will deliver motorcycle bikes from Minsk, Voskhod,
    Izhak, Ural ..
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  16. Abdula
    Abdula 5 February 2021 20: 37
    +4
    Quote: tralflot1832
    So, after all, something was stolen from partners?
    I would like to make my own iron, oh, atam and drones are not far away
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 5 February 2021 20: 43
      -2
      and the author himself considered the linen?
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 6 February 2021 15: 23
      0
      Did Masha look at that?
  17. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 5 February 2021 20: 42
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    A line of domestic piston engines designed for installation on Russian-made unmanned aerial vehicles will appear in the mid-2020s.
    so by the thirties we will master
  18. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 5 February 2021 20: 51
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    Quote: tralflot1832
    So, after all, something was stolen from partners?

    what do you mean stole? this is a trophy
  19. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 6 February 2021 09: 05
    -1
    5 YEARS for a piston engine is maleho above the level of the model aircraft mug. For 10 YEARS I. Musk has created a private space industry with a closed cycle, with all the infrastructure and a full line of launch vehicles with engines and spacesuits to a heap ... and here we are reassured by a high-ranking turkey that there is no disaster lagging behind, and after five years we can be for you wassat 50 or 100500 fellow imitators of shitty hectic activity. Give a piston in a five-year plan to the heap wassat
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 February 2021 11: 15
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    But out of the corner of my eye, I saw drone jet. laughing
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 6 February 2021 11: 18
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    Quote: Abdula
    Quote: tralflot1832
    So, after all, something was stolen from partners?
    I would like to make my own iron, oh, atam and drones are not far away

    What is the problem ? China is not satisfied with what? We already have a Biryusa washing machine. laughing
  22. iouris
    iouris 6 February 2021 12: 20
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    Quote: "... Within five years, a number of domestic engines of various capacities will be created." End of quote.
    It's late, doctor. Please note that the point is that in five ... ten years the production of piston engines will be discontinued. (At least in some places). In addition, any domestic work takes PI times more time than planned. Do we have these fifteen years?
  23. askort154
    askort154 6 February 2021 13: 10
    +1
    Vita VKO .... "... here's the problem ... "

    You have described the popular truth of engine problems.
    And the article discusses specifically:
    A line of domestic piston engines designed for installation on Russian-made unmanned aerial vehicles will appear in the mid-2020s.
    And if these plans come true, then this will be a good start in our engine building, not only for UAVs.
    This is the "root" of my reasoning.
    What else should be "chewed by the slow-witted" ?!
    We have always lagged behind the British and Germans in engine construction, in terms of technological performance, resource and fuel consumption, both in the "ground" version and in the aviation. We are already slowly approaching, and China, despite the 2nd "economy in the world, is lagging far behind. hi
  24. meandr51
    meandr51 7 February 2021 16: 09
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    In sharashkas such for 3 months. developed.