"Train to survive": NATO practiced air attacks on Soviet-Russian air defense systems

At the French Grostenkin airbase, combat operations were practiced aviation in conditions of electronic suppression. In addition to the hosts, American and German units, equipped with Tiger, Puma and Gazelle helicopters, as well as Mirage and Rafale fighters, which acted as attack vehicles, took part in the exercises.

The Bundeswehr brought the decommissioned air defense systems Roland, the USA - the TRTG and Smokey-SAM threat simulators to the maneuvers. TRTG simulated the Soviet SA-8 anti-aircraft missile system (Osa.)

The Roland air defense system has been in service since 1977 and was used mainly by the German and French armies. By 2007, the Bundeswehr removed them from service. As noted by a number of experts, conceptually and visually, the German air defense systems are close to the modern Russian Pantsir-S complexes. Therefore, it can be assumed that their active participation in maneuvers is designed to imitate the fight against the latter. Moreover, the Pantsir-S are one of the most numerous air defense systems in the ranks of a potential NATO adversary, that is, in the Russian troops.

Recall that recently there was information about the delivery to one of the American bases of the FRG ZRPK "Pantsir" captured in Libya.

Pilot training in the use of on-board self-defense equipment in electronic combat, combined with appropriate tactics, must be constantly developed and improved. In line with the motto: "Train to survive"

- noted in the Bundeswehr.

Comments

[Starover_Z]

Well, such exercises would not hurt our pilots, in light of the approach of NATO military equipment directly to our borders!

[hydrox]

Very, very soon we will need completely different skills: air defense of troops on the march and the construction of object air defense in the field: Donbass has already approached our gardens ...

[Mountain shooter]

Trained on decommissioned air defense systems. And nothing newer was found? Or do they consider the ancient "Roland" to be equal to the modern "Shell"? Then let them train ... on cats ...

[sergo1914]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Trained on decommissioned air defense systems. And nothing newer was found? Or do they consider the ancient "Roland" to be equal to the modern "Shell"? Then let them train ... on cats ...

To the trained to train - only to train.
(c) Folk wisdom.

[Runway]

The threat simulator / target of the attack is secondary in terms of their performance characteristics. It is banal to develop the skills of countering the air defense of the divisional link.
The note lacks infa about the imitation of air defense means of the formation, which is covered by military air defense.
Simplified conditions or element-by-element training?

[Installer]

The cats ran out, that's why they stole the shell of S.

[Emil mamedoff]

It is not entirely clear, since Rafali and Mirazhi are there in the role of attackers, then what does the helicopter have to do with it? An anti-radar missile can be fired from a fighter jet from a much greater distance than from helicopters its Hellfires. Or they will simply buy Harop from Israel, he will fly in and find air defense and destroy it (even from 1000 km). Or they themselves will make such UAVs, the benefit of the developed countries, instead of playing with the fate of helicopter pilots. Perhaps the topic of these exercises is not fully disclosed, because some kind of stupidity, including with the choice of imitation air defense.

[Toucan]

Perhaps the topic of these exercises is not fully disclosed, because some kind of stupidity, including with imitation air defense.

I would not consider our "partners" stupid. In the west, there are a lot of simulators that reproduce the work of our air defense missile systems. In addition, the aviation of NATO and Israel regularly participates in exercises in which Soviet and Russian air defense systems are available at American ranges, as well as Slovak, Bulgarian and Greek S-300Ps.

[Emil mamedoff]

Quote: Tucan

Perhaps the topic of these exercises is not fully disclosed, because some kind of stupidity, including with imitation air defense.

I would not consider our "partners" stupid. In the west, there are a lot of simulators that reproduce the work of our air defense missile systems. In addition, the aviation of NATO and Israel regularly participates in exercises in which Soviet and Russian air defense systems are available at American ranges, as well as Slovak, Bulgarian and Greek S-300Ps.

I agree with you, but if, as you noted, on real C300 and similar systems that they will find from their partners, then yes. Their training of the Air Force against air defense is the best in the world, no one disputes. I'm specifically talking about these teachings.

[Lech from Android.]

We saw how NATO pilots will actually break through the air defense of Russia on the example of the defeat of the air defense of Iraq, Serbia, and now we see it from the attacks of Israeli aircraft against the air defense of Syria. The primary targets will of course be in the Crimea and Kaliningrad. NATO is already seriously discussing plans to attack us, the jokes are over. As soon as the situation inside Russia reaches complete anarchy and uncertainty due to the actions of the fifth column, they will enter the battle
open enemies of Russia. Of course, the first to go to meat will be the Poles, Romanians, Balts, Ukrainians, those who most hate Russia behind their backs, if successful, will go to the Americans, French, Germans, Hungarians, etc.

[1976AG]

We will see how NATO members will actually break through our air defense when they really will break through our air defense.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lech from Android.

How NATO pilots will really break through the air defense of Russia

The Americans are understandable - there is a clinical case, a field plowed for the work of a psychiatrist. Did the French in 19812 and the Germans in 1941 not maneuver? If only the legend of the teachings was invented more neutral, or something ...

Quote: Lech from Android.

Of course, Poles, Romanians, Balts, Ukrainians are the first to go for meat, those who hate Russia the most. If successful, they will follow behind their backs. Americans, French, Germans, Hungarians, etc.

I doubt that the Americans will go at all. If only as a part of trophy and Einsatz teams ... Not then they "worked" for so many decades, bringing up "meat", not for that they poured so much money into Russophobia, so that "ahead on a dashing horse" their head off into the heat.

[YOUR]

Air defense breakthrough tactics have not changed. Low heights, jamming, massive use of anti-radar missiles. Example in the photo. went to the air defense system at an extremely low altitude using the angles of the terrain closure.
Counteraction to such tactics, air defense missile systems, MANPADS taken out of the position so as to block the dead funnel of the main complex and create mutual cover and a common target detection field at low altitudes.

[Aleksandr1971]

Quote: 1976AG

We will see how NATO members will actually break through our air defense when they really will break through our air defense.

Only we need to be ready for this and be able to repel the attack.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: 1976AG

We will see how NATO members will actually break through our air defense when they really will break through our air defense.

Nobody canceled the template in the actions of NATO and the United States. Historically, all incursions into Russia start from certain lines and always suddenly, without a preliminary declaration of war.
We will not see anything new here.

[bober1982]

Train to survive, attack helicopters tried to evade ... two days ago, an American UH-60 Black Hawk fell, three people died. All the news passed, half a word was not said here, and a couple of weeks ago an American fell helicopter, silence. Train to survive! Hard to learn, easy to fight!

[businessv]

Quote: bober1982

All the news went through, here not even half a word was said

For the moderators, this news was "not exclusive enough" as many media outlets talked about it! Nobody is interested in the fact that this topic is worthy of discussion at VO.

[bober1982]

Quote: businessv

Nobody is interested in the fact that this topic is worthy of discussion at VO.

But I am very interested in when something falls in our country. Connoisseurs and experts immediately come running.

[Fedor Sokolov]

An interesting motto "Train to survive", given the fact that air defense is a means of defense of the airspace, while in this case NATO aggression from the air is being practiced. They always defend themselves in Yugoslavia in 1999 and Afghanistan in 2001 and Iraq in 2003 (where they allegedly looked for weapons of mass destruction and never found it). Here the motto "Attack to protect yourself" is just right.

[rotmistr60]

"Train to survive"

Who can argue, the slogan is correct. The iron principle of training in the army since Soviet times is storytelling, showing, training. But when they are demonstratively imitating Russian equipment (weapons) as an enemy, this is one of the indicators of preparation for a possible war, and not a defensive one.

[Kapkan]

It is, of course, correct that they will have to survive, however, they usually train in order to win.
But their mentality does not even include victory ...
Amazing.

[hydrox]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Or they consider the ancient "Roland" to be equal to the modern "Shell"

Let them train ...
Surely dead Roland in a real battle will be more terrible than Pantsir-S, which, as an object defense, usually works in conjunction with Thor, Buk and S-300 (400)?

[iouris]

Psychological special operation.

[businessv]

"Train to survive"

Do not meddle with us, you will be livelier!