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"Game of Thrones" in Russian reality

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"Game of Thrones" in Russian reality
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In the first lines of my story, I would like to express my deepest satisfaction that the main protest manager of Russia went on a well-deserved corrective labor rest.

In general, this circus had to be finished even when the authorities, according to a scenario I did not understand, presented Navalny with a second suspended sentence. In a country where every tenth inhabitant had a variety of articles, Navalny's two "conditions" looked either as a mockery of the masses, or as an inability to cope with the protest manager.

Possessed. Not bad already.

The second positive point (in comparison with Minsk) is that the country's main protest force is still completely neutral. Here is the fact that the protest movement in Russia, relying on schoolchildren and students, has shamefully failed.

Failed so far, I also emphasize this.

Further downsides begin.

The main disadvantage is that nothing new is offered to us. Navalny is the same phenomenon as Magnitsky and Khodorkovsky.

Khodorkovsky could have “played in the box” quite normally, but he was left alive and “just” was jailed. By the way, with Khodorkovsky it turned out pretty well, he is alive and well, does not need money, he lives in Europe. But as a political symbol, it did not work out perfectly. Yes, there were some attempts there, but it all ended with Khodorkovsky turning into a political corpse immediately after appearing on the political arena.

With Magnitsky it turned out less carefully, because he died in a pre-trial detention center. Today, premeditated murder is spoken about not only overseas, but also here. Unfortunately - representatives of the investigation.

But it was with Magnitsky that Russia began its sanctions path.

And when Navalny appeared, it turned out that the Dark Lord appeared, but the third scenario had not yet been invented. And it turned out quite ugly somehow.

I am of the opinion that it was not “ours” who were persecuted. Many former people on this planet, if they could, confirmed that yes, the KGB / FSB have always been able to work and (I really count on this) have not forgotten how to do it until now.

"Novice" provocation in Britain turned into a spray from a spray can and the death of a cat. And not from a poisonous substance, just removed as a witness. And the same thing happened with Navalny. They didn’t kill me, they didn’t finish it off in a Russian hospital in Omsk, and they managed to take me to the Charite.

Kindergarten. A fairy tale for primary school children, isn't it?

I must say that Navalny was lucky, but the Russian authorities were not. Precisely, "no man - no problem." But it so happened that there is a problem. The problem is that Navalny was not poisoned properly, the problem is that he was not cured in Russia, the problem is that he could not help but return.

Now many people say that it would be better for Navalny to stay in Germany and from there, like Lenin, he led his fight against the Putin regime.

In theory, yes. In practice, look about Khodorkovsky. Those who wrote the scenarios for him took into account the experience of both Khodorkovsky and Magnitsky.

And, by the way, today's affairs in the US Congress are the best confirmation of this. Everything seems to be going according to plan.

What are we talking about? On the document, which was submitted to the US Congress on February 4.

The document is called "Draft Law of 2021 on holding the Russian Federation accountable for malicious activity." It was represented by Senators Marco Rubio, Chris Koons, Ben Cardin, Mitt Romney, Chris Van Hollen and Richard Durbin. Mitt Romney, if anyone does not remember, is an unsuccessful presidential candidate, burning with great "love" for Russia.

So, Navalny was very much needed in Russia. But - to the United States. And therefore, knowing full well that most likely it would be “closed,” but relying on pressure from overseas, Navalny flew to Russia as such a doomed hero. Here it is perfectly understood “leakage of information about the flight, a huge number of journalists, a crowd of people, and so on.

He just had no choice.

As well as our government, which does not differ in variability of behavior and speed of response, there was no choice either.

It is clearly seen that in the current situation, the Magnitsky option was chosen. And not an option that they chose him in Moscow. It seems to me that it was chosen in Washington. The bill was very quickly concocted, and this business, you see, did not take two days.

However, we managed.

Of course, the Kremlin did a huge foolishness by accepting Navalny's sacred sacrifice. It is difficult to predict now how much the Magnitsky-2 plan or the Navalny plan will cost, but the fact that it will have to pay is clear now.

And Navalny? And Navalny will be in prison. Moreover, it is very long and dreary. It is clear that since they went according to Magnitsky's plan, they will hang everything that is possible on him. From fraud to treason. And everything will be investigated for a very long time.

Lawyers will be pressed, removed, changed like gloves. Lawyers will be prohibited from talking to Navalny about anything other than the materials of the criminal case. They will communicate behind glass. If you try to talk about another topic, communication will be disconnected, and lawyers will have problems. A simulated script, there is no other one yet.

And then the third force will come into play. Navalny's team, which by all means will "hold the flag" and maintain interest in its leader. Exposing him as an epic warrior who stood up to fight against Evil and stuff like that.

True, in our country everything can easily play in the opposite direction. The leaders of Navalny's movement can follow the leader to places that are not so remote, because ... Because this is possible here.

Or teammates who do not become inmates will simply fight over power and thus complete the procedure for the final collapse.

Such an option is quite possible.

Unfortunately, this does not cancel the sanctions that are expected to follow the "Navalny list".

However, sanctions are sanctions, but this is only a political part of the anti-Russian struggle. And they are not entirely effective. Examples from all of Belarus and Khabarovsk have shown that if there is no real revolutionary situation, then it is not so easy to artificially cause it.

And here a lot can serve as an example, from Bolivia, where Che Guevara died, to Venezuela of our time.

In Russia in 2020, the conditions for a successful attack on the authorities have not yet emerged. And in this context, Navalny's attempts by all means and without reckoning with anything, to bring people to the streets look very ugly.

In any case, since today the authorities are not ready to enter into dialogue with the people, as many people as you like, even millions, can be taken to the streets. The only question is the workload of the National Guard, the police and the courts, nothing more.

Therefore, neither Navalny nor his team will have to choke in vans of the Russian Guard, crowded "monkey houses" and other convenient places.

Yes, of course, everything that happens will definitely significantly reduce the number of those who will vote for United Russia and the president's initiatives. But here and as in the case of rallies, the burden on election commissions will simply increase, which will have to forge more ballots. And nevertheless, as Rosgvardia easily arrests more people, so in the election commissions they will draw as many votes as necessary.

Of course, another option is quite possible here. Which also fits well into our analysis.

When people, citizens, say, in the fall, come and vote for anyone, just not for United Russia, and the next day they will be told about the victory of United Russia, as always with a huge advantage, here, by the way, overseas technologies will work as it should. And piled too.

It is clear that, unlike Lukashenka, Putin won his elections. And due to the correct choice of opponents, and due to additional votes. But he was gaining quite calmly 50% of the votes, at least. Why it was necessary to add these percentages of "convincing victory" is difficult to say. But they were. A political move, apparently.

And this is the moment our non-systemic opposition can use to the fullest. And this simultaneously changes the conditions of the future political game. And the start of the changes was not given in the Kremlin, which, as always, plays on defense. The start was made in Germany, when Navalny decided to return.

Then the game will go harder. What happened before, when the authorities pretended to stifle non-systemic opposition, but in fact supported and advertised, this time ended at the moment when the judge announced the verdict to Navalny. Everything, the game went on a different track.

And this is where the problems begin. Both in power and in the Navalnovskys. The authorities will need to get rid of those who will muddy the waters as soon as possible. And Navalny's team has to throw lots, since each new leader who "raised the fallen banner of struggle" can instantly find himself on the bunk.

And the electorate, which is important, will simply watch this "game of thrones". Perhaps even with curiosity.

But to talk about support ... No, I won't. It won't be there. And here they did their best. At first, this frankly stupid skirmish with Slepakov, then dirty история with Lanov. Why all these shares were needed, I do not understand. The enemy seems to be, what have the verse writer Slepakov and the great artist Lanovoy - I don't understand.

And it is not necessary to throw mud at the Navalnovskys, they themselves do it well.

And more and more people today look towards the Navalnov movement not with hope, but as a gang of clowns. But such clowns, from a horror movie. For whom nothing is sacred.

So I am sure that in the future there will be one policy in power: grab and imprison. Reasons to come up with as easy as shelling pears, this will not work.

And one should not expect that the "popular masses" will go to unauthorized rallies at the call of Navalny's headquarters in order to support him. Nobody is going anywhere, and on January 31st it showed more than beautifully.

And who will go - well, an unauthorized rally - this is the case ... Welcome to the Rosgvardia benefit performance. The dances are hard and rough, but there will be no others. And then there may be no sanctioned rallies. Just in case.

But the main force that can have a real impact on the situation in the country is still silent. And this power really is.

Currently, two clans are participating in the "game of thrones": the state and Navalny's movement. The movement is not homogeneous, it is the most liberal-minded youth, brainwashed, and representatives of the older generation, who, in fact, washed their brains.

But who the future belongs to is the various movements of the left. From young patriots to very older generations. Those who are not for Putin and do not believe him, but also not for Navalny, because it is also difficult to believe him. Especially after the failure of the "palace" exposure.

As an example - Udaltsov and his associates. First, they started moving to the regions, and then, halfway through, they simply abandoned this business and hid. Hopefully for the time being.

And the left-wing movements, if they can rise and enter the political life of the country, can become the stone that will deduce the system of their balance. This is precisely what must be done, since the situation has become very peculiar.

Navalny with his revelations and dirty working methods is the horror and fear of the authorities. But on the other hand, how convenient it is for the authorities - cannot be conveyed! Against the background of Navalny's actions, even EP looks somehow more humanized. Plus Navalny preaches mono sound in his politics. There is Navalny, everyone should follow him. Who is against - that Slepakov.

And therefore, such confusion and vacillation suits the authorities quite well. Simply because the opposition is simply not sensible and strong. There are Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky and Mironov, who frankly live off taxpayers' money, who are just puppets in the political game, and, moreover, completely dependent. And there is Navalny, who wants to live no worse than them.

But the parties of the "opposition" are rapidly losing their supporters, precisely because they do nothing. Unlike Navalny, who is trying to create something like that.

But it turns out very dirty, because people like Udaltsov and Titov prefer not to mess with Navalny's movement, and Zhirinovsky and the company do not need this. They are already well fed at the expense of the people. And they are not forced to work.

Therefore, those forces that are still refraining from participating in political games for various reasons really need a new and charismatic leader. Not as dirty as Navalny and not with such a past as the leaders of the Duma "opposition". I really need it. Otherwise, the situation will remain in the same position, that is, it will completely suit the authorities.

The Kremlin is simply obliged to pay attention not to the tame parties like Prilepin's For Truth, which was urgently formed to confront Navalny, but Prilepin completely failed, and therefore the party was transferred to the reserve. One has to look at the left and perhaps even the ultra-right. Feed, so to speak.

And then you can get both sane and workable opposition. With which you will not have to act as with Navalny's gang.

In general, the stupidity was terrible, with his arrest and return. It would be worthwhile to apply Soviet tactics: simply not to let them back in. As was the case, for example, with dissidents. They took out, tore the passport and that's it. Persona non grata. And the point.

And Navalny would sit in the Baltics or Poland and broadcast from there ...

A familiar script, right? That's right, I was talking about him. Khodorkovsky scenario.

And in a couple of years no one would have remembered about Navalny. The latest example is Shariy. Well, yes, he's king on the internet. And in Ukraine? And in Ukraine he is an oppositionist, whom no one follows. Precisely because Anatoly is sitting quite far from Kiev.

This is how Navalny would have ended.

But today in the Kremlin, cadres do not decide everything. Bad there with staff. Therefore, the decisions are strange. Accept and plant is not a decision. And now the "List of Navalny" is ready, and now the sanctions will come.

I don’t know how good the idea is to substitute Russia for the next sanctions, blame the United States for everything and try to rally the Russians once again in the fight against a common enemy.

I don't want this. And I don't want to rise to this fight. And I don't want to follow Navalny.

This is the main problem for you: the lack of a clear state ideology. And therefore, not only me, but also millions of Russians do not want it. And this is wrong, we have to want to go somewhere. To a bright future, to fight against ... or in the name of ...

And only Navalny offers a choice. And also so-so - a boot or a rubber stick on the organs, or to sit at home.

Not an option for an active electorate, not an option.

Russian Game of Thrones is entering a new season. No one has given promises yet, but the first move has been made.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 5 February 2021 06: 10
    +22
    This is the main problem for you: the lack of a clear state ideology.

    The main problem is that soon all the reasons for which:
    "Well, nothing works!"
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 5 February 2021 06: 36
      +38
      And what kind of ideology can the regime have - to steal everything that can be dumped? Well, you can't sell it to the masses ...
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 5 February 2021 07: 34
        +34
        The KGB / FSB have always been able to work and (I really count on it) have not forgotten how to do it until now.

        The problem is that this fragile inner conviction holds the whole picture of the world. If this conviction is wrong, then this whole picture of the world becomes completely inadequate.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 5 February 2021 10: 09
          +32
          the KGB / FSB have always been able to work

          firstly, they were not always able and not everything.
          secondly, cadres decide
          and in the last 15 years, the shots are frankly sloppy and corrupt.
          therefore the author's conviction is frankly strange
          1. credo
            credo 5 February 2021 16: 56
            +1
            Quote: yehat2
            They took out, tore the passport and that's it. Persona non grata. And the point.

            And Navalny would sit in the Baltics or Poland and broadcast from there ...

            A familiar script, right? That's right, I was talking about him. Khodorkovsky scenario.

            Or I missed something or the Author got something mixed up - When was Khodorkovsky expelled from the country or deprived of his citizenship?
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 5 February 2021 17: 05
              +2
              I don't follow this ghoul (in the sense not for the author, but for Khodorkovsky)
              and this is not my quote)))
              1. credo
                credo 5 February 2021 17: 15
                -2
                Quote: yehat2
                I don't follow this ghoul (in the sense not for the author, but for Khodorkovsky)
                and this is not my quote)))

                This is not a claim to you, but an appendage to your phrase "... therefore the author's conviction is frankly strange."
                There is probably some kind of rational grain in his verbose mess, but it was drowned in a continuous negative on the authorities, Navalny, United Russia, Prilepin and others.
                Where does he want to go, who does he want to go after, if he himself does not know this. Why blame the authorities if you don't know what you want.
            2. RealPilot
              RealPilot 6 February 2021 09: 49
              +1
              to express the deepest satisfaction that the main protest manager of Russia went on a well-deserved corrective labor rest.

              It remains, as they say, to expand and deepen fellow
              There is where to work, a whole pack of jackals ...
          2. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 5 February 2021 23: 25
            +3
            In general, when I see Skomorokhov in the authors, I immediately climb into the comments, it is much more interesting and not for sale.
        2. A1845
          A1845 5 February 2021 10: 43
          +4
          - what are the sanctions? like arresting bureaucrats' accounts? and where from the servant of the people can get the bucks in abundance? Yes, and reasons for sanctions are no longer required, everyone knows

          - not letting in the zaslanets is also stupid, scared means

          - henchman of the oval office including
          finally discredited the protest movement (the swamp used to ping, but now it really stinks)

          - the electorate is beginning to ripen to understand the fact that the opposition is systemic - clowns are supported by the Kremlin, and non-systemic - by NATO

          - in general, all this mess has really got everyone
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 16: 40
            0
            Quote: A1845
            - henchman of the oval office including
            finally discredited the protest movement

            What are you there, a protest movement, except for Navalny and other liberals, do you see anyone?
            Quote: A1845
            - the electorate is beginning to ripen to understand the fact that the opposition is systemic - clowns are supported by the Kremlin, and non-systemic - by NATO

            A very strange statement. Shevchenko or Bonarenko are the Kremlin’s staves, and Kamolov and Dvurechensky are supported by NATO?
          2. 72jora72
            72jora72 7 February 2021 05: 09
            +2
            - the electorate is beginning to ripen to understand the fact that the opposition is systemic - clowns are supported by the Kremlin, and non-systemic - by NATO
            .............. and Power is just evil clowns, on the maintenance.
      2. Achilles
        Achilles 5 February 2021 12: 33
        +5
        Many of the editions of "Mediazon", Echo-Moscow, rain, etc. as a carbon copy they write about the repressions in Russia.
        If there were repressions in Russia, then no publication "Mediazona", and even more "OVD-Info" simply would not exist. And there wouldn't even be a trace.
        If there were repressions in Russia, no one would even talk about some kind of "kick in the stomach." Not shot - and good.
        If there were repressions in Russia, then "Echo of Moscow" would be called "Echo of the Kremlin" and Simonyan would run it.
        If there were repressions in Russia, then it would not be an ombudsman who came to the detainees, but a couple of strong FSB representatives with a sock full of sand.
        If there were repressions in Russia, it would be considered normal that you can just sit down in the cell or get to the bucket in ten minutes. And that you can somehow breathe.
        If there were repressions in Russia, then the question of admitting lawyers to the detainees would not have been in principle. Lawyers themselves would not go anywhere. For no money.
        If there were repressions in Russia, then Navalny would have felled the second hundred trees under the supervision of a seasoned lesson.
        If there were repressions in Russia, no one would discuss this.
      3. Private89
        Private89 5 February 2021 18: 43
        +2
        In the meantime, the masses are sleeping or hoping for something, waiting for a mission or thinking that well, they will definitely bypass the trouble, and then maybe the conscience of someone in the Kremlin will wake up. Apparently, until the people are brought to the brink by "our" elite, the people of the left will not hear and listen, in fact, as it was with the Bolsheviks, the peasant masses listened mainly to the Socialist-Revolutionaries and when they sat in parliament after February and showed their real bourgeois face without giving the people no peace, no land, only then the people followed the Bolsheviks.
        1. Private89
          Private89 5 February 2021 19: 03
          -1
          “It's bad for a man
          when he is alone
          Woe to one
          one is not a warrior -
          every hefty
          him lord
          and even weak
          if two.
          And if the
          to the party
          small crowded -
          surrender, enemy
          stand still
          and lie down!
          The consignment -
          one million hands
          compressed
          into one
          ripping fist.
          One is nonsense,
          one is zero,
          one -
          even
          very important -
          will not raise
          simple
          five-hole log,
          a fortiori
          the house is five-storey. "

          Vladimir Vladimirovich - whom you can listen to.

        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 5 February 2021 19: 10
          +2
          Quote: Private 89
          In the meantime, the masses are sleeping or hoping for something, waiting for a mission or thinking that well, they will definitely bypass trouble.

          firstly, the masses did not decide anything where or when
          secondly, what should the masses do in your opinion?
          1. Private89
            Private89 8 February 2021 08: 49
            -3
            The masses decided everything, the whole question of when this mass will rise to the brink, who will lead it, who will express its interests, and then it will go. And it will be such a powerful driving force that cannot be resisted, without this mass no qualitative changes are possible.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 8 February 2021 11: 34
              -5
              Quote: Private 89
              The masses decided everything

              example in the studio!
              1. Private89
                Private89 9 February 2021 21: 21
                -2
                If you write here for sure with a mouse and a keyboard, you know how to use the Internet to help you. And the history of your native country, if you are from Russia, of course, can be re-read at your leisure. Preferably books from the 50s. And also look at how revolutions differ from coups.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 9 February 2021 22: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: Private 89
                  If you write here for sure with a mouse and keyboard, you know how to use the Internet to help you

                  that is, you can't ?!
                  Quote: Private 89
                  And the history of your native country, if you are from Russia, of course, can be re-read at your leisure.

                  so if you were about the October Revolution, it was not the masses who decided there, but the individuals
                  Quote: Private 89
                  And also look at how revolutions differ from coups.

                  kindergarten, you yourself would have something to read on the topic

                  ps An army of rams led by a lion will always defeat an army of lions led by a ram
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 February 2021 06: 48
      +16
      Quote: ROSS 42
      This is the main problem for you: the lack of a clear state ideology.

      The main problem is that soon all the reasons for which:
      "Well, nothing works!"

      The second round of excuses for the sanctions will begin.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 6 February 2021 15: 15
        +3
        "A bad dancer always gets in the way of his testicles." (WITH)
    3. Finches
      Finches 5 February 2021 06: 54
      -8
      Everything is fine, let him sit and think about his behavior! Every self-respecting dissident should feel the taste of gruel ... laughing As for ideology, it has been more or less formed during Putin's rule. The state does not aggressively impose it, and it is doing the right thing! A person must come to it himself, as a result of his intellectual, cultural maturation! Modern ideological thought in Russia consists in the national-patriotic movement, placing at the forefront the goal of reviving Russia on its organically and historically inherent traditions: a strong single state, Orthodoxy as the basis of spiritual life, loyalty to Russian culture and maintaining the historical memory of the Russian people! This ideology rejects communism, but also rejects Western democratic "values" with their parent N1, N2, etc., someone may see in it the Uvarov formula "Autocracy, nationality, Orthodoxy", but nevertheless, it is this Russian conservatism for us closer in spirit than the depraved Western consumer society ... Navalny and all sorts of unfinished revolutionaries do not pour water on the mill of universal justice, but exclusively work in the interests of the collective West, which such a fat piece as Russia has never allowed to sleep with our open spaces, wealth and people! Especially the Anglo-Saxons, who have lived all their lives and now live at the expense of their colonial expansion - and this is their ideology - so they put their hand to the Time of Troubles and the Napoleonic invasion, to the collapse of the Russian Empire and to two world wars and the collapse of the USSR - to resist them it is possible only by remaining on the fundamental basic values ​​of Russian spirituality and Russian culture! And they are trying to divide us and very successfully, they took away Ukraine, squeeze Belarus, destroyed Yugoslavia - they destroy the entire Slavic world ... And yet there are narrow-minded marginals who believe that everything needs to be broken and destroyed, thereby playing into the hands of our enemies!
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 February 2021 08: 33
        +29
        Quote: Finches
        As for ideology, it has been more or less formed during Putin's rule.
        Well, yes, this ideology was described at one time by Leo Tolstoy "The villains who robbed the people have gathered, they have recruited soldiers and judges to protect their orgy, and are feasting."
        Quote: Finches
        someone may see in it the Uvarov formula "Autocracy, nationality, orthodoxy", but nevertheless, it is this Russian conservatism that is closer to us in spirit than the depraved Western consumer society.

        Rather, the Pelevin formula "Solid Lord for solid gentlemen"
        1. Finches
          Finches 5 February 2021 08: 35
          -29%
          laughing ABOUT! So the bulk has pulled up!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 09: 21
            +22
            Quote: Finches
            ABOUT! So the bulk has pulled up!

            And tell Eugene, why do you “define” anyone who disagrees with your “pearls” as navalnists, sometimes as Ukrainians, or as agents of the State Department? This is because there is nothing to argue with, and since there is nothing to argue with, then you can go to the individual? Such are your concepts of a reasoned dispute in your liberal community?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 5 February 2021 09: 59
              +34
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              And tell Eugene, why do you “define” anyone who disagrees with your “pearls” as navalnists, sometimes as Ukrainians, or as agents of the State Department?

              So this is the main argument of the Zaputins! When there is nothing to cover, but you want to say so, then there is always a "killer" trump card in the sleeve.

              As he punched the interlocutor from the shoulder, they say, you are a bully and an agent of the State Department! So a clear victory is obtained immediately. Well, they (the Zaputins) think so! But in reality it looks like a medieval dispute - a witch hunt.

              And thank God that they did not burn their interlocutors so far! And it seems to me, if they were allowed, then these guys would make bonfires with great pleasure.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 10: 11
                +8
                hi
                Quote: Stas157
                So this is the main argument of the Zaputins!

                I must say I'm pretty fed up with their liberal get-together with patriotic slogans and insidious Anglo-Saxons guilty of all sins. Yes, arguing with them is boring.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 5 February 2021 10: 26
                  +22
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I must say I'm pretty fed up with them liberal party

                  hi You are absolutely right colleague! After all, both those and those (both navalnists and zaputintsy) are liberals. How else to call those who worship the main liberal of Russia?

                  The only difference in the varieties is that some are about Western ones, while others are braced, home-grown. That's all!
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 5 February 2021 11: 10
                    +5
                    Quote: Stas157
                    The only difference in the varieties is that some are about Western ones, while others are braced, home-grown.

                    The essence of this "difference", in my opinion, is well characterized in one Russian proverb: "Friendship is friendship, and the tobacco is rosy" laughing hi
                  2. ZEMCH
                    ZEMCH 6 February 2021 13: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Stas157
                    You are absolutely right colleague! After all, both those and those (both navalnists and zaputintsy) are liberals. How else to call those who worship the main liberal of Russia?

                    Liberalism (from Latin liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political trend that proclaims the unshakability of human rights and personal freedoms.
                    Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of every person as the highest value and establishes them as the basis of social and economic order. Liberalism is a striving for freedom of the human spirit from constraints imposed by religion, tradition, state, etc., and for social reforms aimed at freedom of the individual and society. At the same time, the possibilities of the state and the church to influence the life of society are limited by the constitution. The most important freedoms in modern liberalism are freedom of speech (freedom to speak out in public), freedom of conscience (separation of religion from the state, secular society), freedom to participate in fair and free elections. Economically, the principles of liberalism are the inviolability of private property, freedom of trade and entrepreneurship. In legal terms, the principles of liberalism are the rule of law over the will of the rulers and the equality of all citizens before the law, regardless of their wealth, status and influence.
                    And how do you think all this relates to the main liberal of Russia.
                    Today he is the main critic of liberalism)))
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 7 February 2021 08: 38
                      -2
                      hi
                      Quote: ZEMCH
                      And how do you think all this relates to the main liberal of Russia.

                      Of course not, Colleague. It's just that the word "liberal" has recently been perverted to such an extent that it has become a dirty word. The usual substitution of concepts, what can you do? Marx was a liberal, Lenin was a liberal.
                  3. Lexus
                    Lexus 6 February 2021 15: 36
                    +4
                    Stas, Alexey hi ,
                    do not argue with schizophrenics - you have to sink to their level, where they will crush you with experience. Let them "smell" in their own stool until complete disposal.
              2. saigon
                saigon 5 February 2021 11: 09
                +11
                Well, the current problem with the agents of the State Department is that a relative of US Secretary of State Blinkin has been appointed to a very responsible position.
                So with Omerik and Biden like that, friendship begins and only economic competition.
                After all, squiggle is the chief analyst of the national project management center.
                What are the agents of the State Department now?
              3. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 6 February 2021 16: 22
                -1
                It should be noted that fans of dirty panties are the most aggressive so far. The riot police are acting softly to disgust, the courts are passing some symbolic punishment, and the "onizhedeti" are increasingly trying to create disorder. Yes, and in conversations, the favorite topic is analnyat - "when we come to power, we will shoot you all."
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 5 February 2021 10: 33
              -10%
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Such are your concepts of a reasoned dispute in your liberal community?

              He showed them the direction of the dispute himself when he was running the presidential election campaign.

              A small parody:
              They master a higher style of argument. Dispute without incriminating facts. Dispute on temperament and inability to insert a word. A dispute moving from an unfounded affirmation to a partner's political preferences. A dispute without the direct participation of the opponent himself ...
              What can a state farm director say about his social development program? If you tell him right away that he has accounts abroad and even real estate, and not even in his name ...
              What can a person who has never been president argue about? What views on foreign policy can be expressed by a man without a foreign passport or by a person who has not been in any of the EU countries? What will a man object without a State Duma deputy's certificate? Caught in confusion, he can be declared a “navalist” (“liberast”, “commie”) and admits himself defeated.
              And in general, how can they be interested in the opinion of people who have not received permission to hold a rally, who are under house arrest on a "phony charge" or are going through bankruptcy proceedings? Let them first "smooth out" wrinkles with Botox, go bald, buy a watch for 37 rubles, and then speak out.
              Behavior in a dispute should be simple: not be in front of the interlocutor otherwise than in the form of an image on the screen; pretend that he is "carrying a blizzard," groan and cough in the most inappropriate places, pause in answers, and at the most acute moment go to you, say: "Masha .." or "This is not your dog's mind. . "; give an example with a watch and a dagger (a grandmother without primary sexual characteristics, a girl with low social responsibility) or say that they will all just die and sign a new pension law.
            3. Dym71
              Dym71 5 February 2021 10: 52
              0
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              And tell Eugene, why do you “define” anyone who disagrees with your “pearls” as navalnists, sometimes as Ukrainians, or as agents of the State Department?

              Sorry Alexei for intervening, but your question is urgent, and the answer is simple:
              - Anyone who disagrees with your "pearls" is a zaputinets, EdRosovets, an enemy of the communists.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 11: 22
                +8
                Quote: Dym71
                Sorry Alexei for intervening, but your question is urgent, and the answer is simple:
                - Anyone who disagrees with your "pearls" is a zaputinets, EdRosovets, an enemy of the communists.

                Forgive me, of course, but I'm not the first to get personal. Strictly speaking, the comment is only about the fact that the dispute should be reasoned and not slip into any personal characteristics of the opponent.
                1. Dym71
                  Dym71 5 February 2021 12: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I'm not the first to get personal.

                  I didn't mean you personally.
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  the dispute must be reasoned and not fall into any personal characteristics of the opponent

                  Keep hi
            4. 72jora72
              72jora72 7 February 2021 05: 18
              +2
              And tell Yevgeny, why do you “define” anyone who disagrees with your “pearls” in, then in Ukrainians, then in agents of the State Department?
              And if you think about it carefully, this is the so-called public policy , who is even a little dissatisfied with the power, that "radish", or "Bandera's", or a liberal (although the original meaning of this word does not carry any negative things), or "sorosenok", now "navalnists" have appeared ... ...
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 7 February 2021 08: 52
                -1
                Quote: 72jora72
                And if you think about it carefully, this is the so-called state policy ...

                What else can they do? They will not be able to conduct an equal reasoned dialogue, and they know it.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 5 February 2021 10: 28
            +8
            Quote: Finches
            laughing ABOUT! So the bulk has pulled up!

            We have already heard enough of these ideas. But in fact, what? In fact, the Russian people were pushed into the very corner. We have no national policy for the Russian people. For others, we do.
        2. Oleg Monarchist
          Oleg Monarchist 12 February 2021 12: 54
          0
          Stirbjorn (Michael)

          Well, yes, this ideology was described at one time by Leo Tolstoy "The villains who robbed the people have gathered, they have recruited soldiers and judges to protect their orgy, and are feasting."


          Undoubtedly the liberal-hypocrite L. Tolstoy is an authoritative for the Bolsheviks.
          The person who "denounced" serfdom, himself for some reason remained a serf owner (everything is like the Bolsheviks and their slogans). laughing
      2. victor50
        victor50 5 February 2021 09: 38
        +11
        Quote: Finches
        Modern ideological thought in Russia consists in the national-patriotic movement, placing at the forefront the goal of reviving Russia on its organically and historically inherent traditions: a strong united state, Orthodoxy as the basis of spiritual life, loyalty to Russian culture and maintaining the historical memory of the Russian people! This ideology rejects communism, but also rejects Western democratic "values"

        I don't see any ideology. Yes, there is a desire to instill in people pride in the achievements of their ancestors, near and far, in history. But behind all this, I do not see any calls to become what they were, to do something that one could be proud of, just to achieve something that would not be ashamed. And we are encouraged to be proud of the past and that's it. Yes, our ancestors created a state in this vast space - at certain times they did just amazing - no, this word does not fit - amazing things. And this can and should be admired and proud of! And study - how, at the expense of what ?! But what have we done? Here and now? Just that we rebuff the ghouls who are trying to spoil this past? Is it too little? Will our descendants be proud of us? Or at least not remember with an unkind word?
      3. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 5 February 2021 09: 52
        +1
        we are closer in spirit than the depraved Western consumer society ...

        1) Please speak for yourself, and not for everyone else.
        2) Those who speak out "against the consumer society" too often "for some reason" oppose precisely the more than reasonable and reasonable desire of representatives of the lower and middle classes of society (industrial and office proletariat, engineering and technical personnel, employees of the pedagogical and medical sphere) to have comfortable conditions life (apartment with modern household appliances, electronics for personal use, personal car, annual vacation on the warm seaside), while justifying (or even protecting) super-luxurious hyper-consumption (mansions and villas, Rolls-Royces with Maybachs, luxury yachts, business jets) of the elite strata of society, explaining this by the fact that "they deserve by their status" ...
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 February 2021 09: 57
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Modern ideological thought in Russia consists in the national-patriotic movement, placing at the forefront the goal of the revival of Russia

        What kind of movement? Whom did Grudinin put forward, or where was Eddie a leader?
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 February 2021 10: 07
        -3
        Quote: Finches
        Navalny and all sorts of unfinished revolutionaries do not pour water on the mill of universal justice, but exclusively work in the interests of the collective West, which such a fat piece as Russia has never allowed to sleep with our vastness, wealth and people!

        I completely agree with you, the adherents of the West are completely indifferent to Russia and its people, they need to fulfill the tasks set by the owners. Yes, not everything is good in the country, but they will join its enemies, this is the same as working for the Germans during the Second World War, under the auspices of "The Germans will liberate us from Bolshevism! This is nonsense.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 11: 40
          +5
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I completely agree with you, the adherents of the West are completely indifferent to Russia and its people, they need to fulfill the tasks set by the owners.

          In this part of your comment I completely agree with you. Navalny, for example, is completely indifferent to the Russian people, he simply uses it. Most of all he is interested in his own power and the future redistribution of property, it is not for nothing that they discussed future privatizations with Khodorkovsky, in which "honest" businessmen would take part.
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Yes, not everything is good in the country, but they will join its enemies, this is the same as working for the Germans during the Second World War, under the auspices of "The Germans will liberate us from Bolshevism! This is nonsense.

          But this comparison, in my opinion, is completely incorrect, because today it is the ideological followers of Vlasov and Krasnov who are in power. You don't need to join anyone, you need to defend your own class interests. If the authorities do not hear the "voice of the people", what remains to be done? Why is the rally bad not under the slogan "for all good against all bad", but for example with demands to cancel the pension reform, reduce utility bills, or, say, reduce (cancel) interest on mortgages? Indeed, in this case, there will be no talk of "rocking" the situation in the country, is it?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 February 2021 12: 02
            +2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            for example, with the demands of canceling the pension reform, reducing utility bills, or, say, reducing (canceling) interest on mortgages? Indeed, in this case, there will be no talk of "rocking" the situation in the country, is it?

            You are certainly right, but it will not. This is not why socialism was replaced by capitalism.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 5 February 2021 13: 11
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              You are certainly right, but it will not. This is not why socialism was replaced by capitalism.

              Today, yes, it won't. But we need to ask ourselves what we are doing to make it possible to do it tomorrow. So that for each increase in tariffs, for example, rallies were gathered (peaceful, of course, without provocateurs). And, of course, we must remember this statement of the classic "People have always been and always will be stupid victims of deception and self-deception in politics until they learn to look for the interests of certain classes behind any moral, religious, political, social phrases, statements, promises." Then the youth on Navalny will cease.
    4. aglet
      aglet 5 February 2021 09: 15
      +12
      "The main problem is that soon all the reasons why
      "Well, it doesn't work!"
      will come up with new ones, do not worry, it will still not work
    5. Stas157
      Stas157 5 February 2021 09: 41
      +22
      ... He just had no choice.

      Navalny may not have had a choice (which I doubt), but Putin had a choice. Be honest. By conscience.

      Why did you put Navalny in prison? And Platoshkina? This is the shame of justice. The Russian authorities are throwing all serious political opponents behind bars. For completely far-fetched reasons and the approval of the crowd. All of you here, do you really think that the worse in Russia, the better? Well, now they will slam more sanctions. Wooden will become even cheaper.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 February 2021 12: 03
        -5
        Quote: Stas157
        Do you all really think that the worse in Russia, the better?

        Yes, in Russia everything is not so bad yet.
        1. Machito
          Machito 5 February 2021 14: 14
          +5
          In fact, Russia, according to the statement from the zomboyaschik, is the SIXTH economy in the world. The population in the Russian Federation is not very large, and for the sixth economy in the world we live: so-so, nothing at all, not even satisfactory. As an optimist, I am absolutely sure that we can live much worse. In 1917, our economy was also not the last one, but the power was not up to par. And then: And what about us? For effective managers.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 5 February 2021 15: 19
            +4
            Quote: Bearded
            As an optimist, I am absolutely sure that we can live much worse.

            The IMF agrees with you. "By 2025, Russia will lose two more positions in the ranking of countries in terms of GDP per capita and will fall back to 70th line with an indicator of 12,97 thousand dollars, the IMF predicts.
            As a result, the standard of living in the Russian Federation will practically be equal to that of Turkmenistan (12,85 thousand dollars). Now Russia is ahead of Turkmenistan by almost 20%, but this gap will be almost completely closed in the next 5 years, the fund said.
            1. Antonio_Mariarti
              Antonio_Mariarti 11 February 2021 12: 12
              0
              Quote: WIKI
              Quote: Bearded
              As an optimist, I am absolutely sure that we can live much worse.

              The IMF agrees with you. "By 2025, Russia will lose two more positions in the ranking of countries in terms of GDP per capita and will fall back to 70th line with an indicator of 12,97 thousand dollars, the IMF predicts.
              As a result, the standard of living in the Russian Federation will practically be equal to that of Turkmenistan (12,85 thousand dollars). Now Russia is ahead of Turkmenistan by almost 20%, but this gap will be almost completely closed in the next 5 years, the fund said.

              It is unlikely that it will be so, but there really is no reason to improve life. Confrontation with the West, which until 2014 was the main investor in the Russian Federation and the buyer of the goods, while China could not notice.
      2. saigon
        saigon 5 February 2021 13: 54
        +4
        Understand that you would like to punish someone with sanctions, not a country, but individual characters of what is difficult?
        So, under the guise of a type of sanctions, they crush competitors and chop off property.
        What problems to voice by name and just confiscate everything that they have over the hill.
        What problems this is - not what but it is not. They are just crushing our country.
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 5 February 2021 17: 09
        -1
        Quote: Stas157
        All of you here really think
        And you’re all here, you don’t really think. This is the difference and the benefits of spending time.
    6. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 17: 02
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      either as a mockery of the masses, or as an inability to cope with the protest manager.
      She ("reason") you have only one. How can it end. If Putin leaves in 2024, and someone objectionable to the United States comes in his place, then she will remain, only her surname will change. And the authorities have already mastered the "protest manager", and now they are in the barracks.
    7. DMB_95
      DMB_95 5 February 2021 19: 45
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42

      The main problem is that soon all the reasons for which:
      "Well, nothing works!"

      So nothing? Remember 1999. Do you have multi-storey buildings outside your window at night not exploding? Not? So something, all the same, turns out.
  2. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 5 February 2021 06: 10
    -2
    In general, the stupidity was terrible, with his arrest and return. It would be worthwhile to apply Soviet tactics: simply not to let them back in. As was the case, for example, with dissidents. They took out, tore the passport and that's it. Persona non grata. And the point. In general, the stupidity was terrible, with his arrest and return. It would be worthwhile to apply Soviet tactics: simply not to let them back in. As was the case, for example, with dissidents. They took out, tore the passport and that's it. Persona non grata. And the point.

    The most correct decision is not to let them into Russia, but now we got a headache. It’s always not like that with us.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 February 2021 06: 23
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The most correct decision is not to let them into Russia, but now we got a headache. It’s always not like that with us.

      These smut began when the ECHR acquitted Mr. Navalny. This is for you and me (if you do not have real estate in the EU, deposits in Western banks, the children go to a Russian school, and you yourself are not going to visit one of the EU countries), the decision of this court is “to the light”. And those gentlemen who have turned Russia into a means of their own enrichment do not care about these decisions - they need not wash themselves. There are many questions for Russian justice. They were very consistently and competently put by Andrey Viktorovich, whose competence none of those present on the site will dispute? Or do you also have a direct connection with the president's press secretary?

      And information has already passed that some of the Russian citizens who are especially gifted "from justice" will be included in the list of "touched". This is probably why some of them simply resigned (and that's it !!!).
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 February 2021 10: 16
        -4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Or do you also have a direct connection with the president's press secretary?

        No, unfortunately I have no connection with the press secretary, I draw everything more from their VO. I live very far from Moscow. But all these dissidents and oppositionists have to be seen often (up to KKron-19, of course).
    2. Sergey M. Karasev
      Sergey M. Karasev 5 February 2021 07: 06
      +11
      The most correct decision is not to let them into Russia, and now they got a headache.

      And in this case, they would have received the same sanctions, but now for depriving Naval of citizenship. Whatever we do - Baba Yaga will always be against it! If they manage to push Gorby-2 or EBN-2 into the Kremlin, new sanctions may not be introduced, but the old ones will not be canceled either. When was the Jackson-Vanik amendment introduced and when was it repealed? Moreover, it was canceled in order to immediately introduce the "Magnitsky Law".
      1. Evil543
        Evil543 5 February 2021 07: 17
        +1
        There will always be sanctions against Russia as long as there is such a state on the globe. And the opposition in the post-Soviet space differs from the European one in that it is based on an eye to the West and tries to destroy its states by becoming puppets, and not on improving the lives of its citizens.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 5 February 2021 09: 51
          +1
          Quote: Evil543
          ... And the opposition in the post-Soviet space differs from the European one in that it is built with an eye to the West and tries to destroy its states by becoming puppets,

          ABOUT! There is still the wife of Navalny can pull up! There will be Tikhanovskaya 2. I hope that the GDP will not give her money to travel over the hill.
        2. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 5 February 2021 10: 00
          -2
          will always be as long as there is such a state on the globe

          Now let's turn to the real story.
          During the entire existence of the Russian Empire (1721-1917), it conducted free trade with the countries of Western Europe. Throughout the existence of the Russian Empire, she had the opportunity to use loans provided by the countries of Western Europe. During the entire existence of the Russian Empire, it purchased modern (for a specific historical period of purchase) weapons and military equipment in Western Europe.
          Russian emperors were full members of the super-elite club of European monarchs.
          And so on....
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 February 2021 10: 23
            +3
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            Russian emperors were full members of the super-elite club of European monarchs.

            Therefore, the entire oil industry, coal mining, the Lena gold mines, and the railway almost entirely belonged to the Germans, British and other foreigners.
          2. Evil543
            Evil543 5 February 2021 10: 43
            0
            Etc. And tell me how many military and political alliances were against RI? And how many wars, with explicit and indirect support, were fought during this period?
            1. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 5 February 2021 14: 34
              +1
              And how many wars, with explicit and indirect support, were fought during this period?

              With the explicit and indirect support of whom? What kind of wars?
              During the indicated historical period, the countries of Western and Central Europe fought among themselves often and fiercely, "so that their forelocks were cracking." Great Britain, France, Austria / Austria-Hungary, Prussia / Germany then, in those historical realities, they saw in each other primarily competitors and opponents.
              Actually, "that very" Crimean War of 1853-1856 is not a manifestation of some kind of "eternal European Russophobia" that did not exist in reality, but a combination of political circumstances. It so happened that both Great Britain and France "did not smile" at the prospect that the Russian Empire was "eating into one face" the Balkan possessions of the Ottoman Empire, which is clearly going to its decline (by the way, by the way, the closest candidate for the role of the "eternal enemy" of the Russian Kingdom / Russian Empire in the 16th and early 19th centuries). “She didn’t smile" simply for the sole reason that they themselves had plans to "deriban" the possessions of the Ottoman Empire. At the same time, almost immediately after the end of the Crimean War, France began to participate in the rearmament of the Russian Imperial Army, supplying modern (at that time) weapons to Russia.
          3. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 5 February 2021 15: 39
            -2
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            will always be as long as there is such a state on the globe

            Now let's turn to the real story.
            During the entire existence of the Russian Empire (1721-1917), it conducted free trade with the countries of Western Europe. Throughout the existence of the Russian Empire, she had the opportunity to use loans provided by the countries of Western Europe. During the entire existence of the Russian Empire, it purchased modern (for a specific historical period of purchase) weapons and military equipment in Western Europe.
            Russian emperors were full members of the super-elite club of European monarchs.
            And so on....

            laughing So, it turns out what they lack from us! Monarchies !!! Well, let's revive the Romanov dynasty? fellow And the new dynasty of Putin will not suit them in any way, it turns out ... request
          4. The Sparkle
            The Sparkle 5 February 2021 17: 40
            0
            But what about the ban, for example, on the supply of optics or chemical utensils to Russia even before the revolution? Aren't these sanctions?
            1. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 5 February 2021 20: 00
              +1
              a ban, for example, on the supply of optics or chemical glassware for Russia

              Which years are we talking about? Which country (s) were trade restrictions?
              But two points need to be clarified right away.
              Firstly, in those historical realities, Western European countries quite often used trade restrictions of various kinds against each other. Almost more often than they fought with each other.
              Secondly. On the ships of the Russian Imperial Navy, optical fire control devices imported from Great Britain and Germany were very often used.
              1. The Sparkle
                The Sparkle 9 February 2021 05: 52
                0
                Better to ask a question differently - "when did the sanctions against Russia begin?"
                And see for yourself - https://nic-pnb.ru/analytics/istoriya-antirossijskih-sanktsij-ot-ivana-groznogo-do-nashih-dnej/
                1. Terran ghost
                  Terran ghost 9 February 2021 14: 44
                  0
                  And see for yourself -

                  The link is a propaganda opus full of fraud or just lies.
                  So, in particular, in 1548, on behalf of Ivan the Terrible, the Saxon merchant G. Schlitte recruited 123 masters of various professions in different cities of Europe. Despite the permission of the German Emperor Charles V, the craftsmen never made it to Russia. All of them were arrested by the Lubeck authorities at the request of the leadership of the Livonian Order

                  And what conclusion should be drawn from this besides the fact that during the indicated period, relations specifically between the Grand Duchy of Moscow / the Kingdom of Russia and the Livonian Order (and only between these two states) were bad?
                  After Peter the Great opened a window to Europe on the Neva and Asia on the Caspian, the economic blockade that had been building against Russia for centuries lost its relevance.

                  That is, suddenly, no "economic blockade" by the countries of Western Europe against the Russian Kingdom / Russian Empire simply did not exist.
                  The category of the most famous sanctions of that time, apparently, should include the ban on Russia to have a fleet in the Black Sea, introduced by the terms of the Paris Treaty (1856) at the end of the Crimean War.

                  According to the Paris Treaty of 1856, ALL Black Sea powers were deprived of the right to have navies in the Black Sea (Article 11 of the Treaty), without exception.
                  1. The Sparkle
                    The Sparkle 10 February 2021 14: 58
                    0
                    From your words, I draw a conclusion - there were no sanctions due to bad relations with a particular state. And the port on the Baltic / St. Petersburg / - just a whim of Peter-1 and it was possible to trade with Europe ourselves without him? As far as I remember, England had a monopoly on trade in Arkhangelsk, but did not allow the Russians to supply goods to Europe and Peter-1. No, these are not sanctions, but just business?))) And why was there opposition to the construction of their own merchant ships for shipping by the seas - are these sanctions / an attempt to restrict the development of Russia / or "this is different, you need to understand"?
                    1. Terran ghost
                      Terran ghost 15 February 2021 17: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Flame
                      And the port on the Baltic / St. Petersburg / - just a whim of Peter-1 and it was possible to trade with Europe without him?

                      Yes, no matter how it is, not a whim, but an urgent need. Arkhangelsk has a noticeably colder climate (and therefore, most of the year, the port's harbor and trade routes are frozen in ice), it is worse and more expensive to deliver goods by river transport (before the appearance of railways, it was the cheapest and most convenient way to transport goods), plus it takes in waters with much more severe weather conditions than in the Baltic and North Seas.
                      Quote: Flame
                      England had a monopoly on trade in Arkhangelsk, but did not allow the Russians to supply goods to Europe

                      When, in your opinion, did such a circumstance take place?
                      Hint. The English Moscow Company really did have a monopoly ... but only on trade between the Russian Kingdom ... and England / Great Britain itself. This monopoly did not interfere with trade with other European countries in any way.
                      And why there was opposition to the construction of their merchant ships for shipping on the seas

                      In what specific historical period, from which countries, in what exactly was the opposition expressed?
      2. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 5 February 2021 10: 03
        +1
        When was the Jackson-Vanik amendment introduced and when was it repealed?

        Since 1989, there has been a moratorium on the application of the Jackson-Vanik Amendment to the Soviet Union and then to the Russian Federation.
        1. Evil543
          Evil543 5 February 2021 10: 47
          -2
          They just figured out what the top policy was leading and that's it, and they threw the cancellation of the amendments like a carrot
    3. 210ox
      210ox 5 February 2021 07: 43
      +3
      Yes, without any pretext. Do hard-remember "The Incredible Adventures of Italians in Russia." Wandering on airplanes. Why can't the authorities play ahead of us, lost, indifference, internal squabbles, what? Why did the Kiev clown act harshly with the opposition, but we closed tightly, we have nothing to do with the court, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... What is it? Sitting on a throne and watching the action below? It reminds me of the second decade of the last century, and everyone knows how it ended
    4. Odysseus
      Odysseus 5 February 2021 08: 06
      +16
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The most correct decision is not to let them into Russia, but now we got a headache. It’s always not like that with us.

      Please tell us on what grounds you can not let a citizen of the Russian Federation home?
      The decision with Navalny is elementary and it does not consist in planting / killing / not letting in other criminal ideas.
      It is to don't poison him ... And if it was not the authorities of the Russian Federation who were poisoned, then he should be treated in Russia and investigated. Supposedly he was poisoned by foreign special services, but then why is there no investigation? After all, this is an unprecedented case, on the territory of Russia, its citizen, a well-known public figure, is poisoned by the conditional CIA. And if he just got sick, then what and why.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 February 2021 10: 32
        -7
        Quote: Odyssey
        Please tell us on what grounds you can not let a citizen of the Russian Federation home?

        As in the USSR, they put Solzhenitsin on an airplane and landed in Frankfurt am Main, and gave another 500 marks to live on.
      2. clerk
        clerk 5 February 2021 10: 39
        -12%
        Read for a variety of the Criminal Procedure Code - what may be the basis for initiating a criminal case and conducting investigative actions. And are there any such grounds in the case of the alleged poisoning of Navalny?
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    5. Dimy4
      Dimy4 5 February 2021 08: 12
      +1
      The most correct decision is not to let you into Russia, but now we got a headache.

      It would be best to make such a decision when he was already on the plane. They will not be taken back, they will not be allowed outside the border of the checkpoint. And where would you go?
    6. savage1976
      savage1976 5 February 2021 08: 39
      +5
      We do not have such a law in our country as deprivation of citizenship or expulsion from the country. In the USSR, it was and formally everything was done according to the law, but we do not have such a law, and now it would be a violation of the law by the state, and this violation does not need to be proven. The option would be even worse than arrest. Arrest is a good way out, now the main thing is not to admit it as with Magnitsky, so that they do not remove him and make him another "victim of the regime." It costs more to live oninar.
    7. Captain45
      Captain45 5 February 2021 10: 42
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      The most correct decision is not to let them into Russia, but now we got a headache. It’s always not like that with us.

      The most correct decision was that it was necessary to fulfill official duties in a timely manner and cancel the conditional sentence for the first 2-3 violations of the conditions of the probationary period. And then they played out ....., and now they are scratching their turnips, they do not know how to contrive the Polovcha, and eat the fish, and climb the tree. Freaks ...
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 February 2021 06: 13
    0
    Isn't a court needed to revoke citizenship? Otherwise, Navalny would have been ridiculous for years in the waiting room.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 February 2021 10: 05
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Isn't a court needed to revoke citizenship?

      Not needed. You need a statement from a citizen with a request to deprive him of his citizenship.
  4. Deniska999
    Deniska999 5 February 2021 06: 16
    +4
    The secret of strength is simple - Russia is not a stato, but a commercial enterprise. Monetocracy. The greed for profit cements all the settings of the Set.
    In addition, top managers now have a unique experience of why the former enterprise, the Soviet Union, went bankrupt. They know the main mistakes of the previous management and try to avoid them.
    For example, a country should always have a basic consumer set of goods and services on the shelves. Non-interference with privacy. The borders must be open. Freedom to receive information (but agitation is under control). Freedom of religion. Do not let the intelligentsia and the national districts roam politically. First, one should try to buy an opponent, and only then, in case of excesses, should they be expelled from the country or imprisoned. Loyalty is more important than competence. Integration of Russia and its management into globalism, into the collective West is a guarantee of the loyal attitude of the West.

    But nevertheless, the time has come to modernize the enterprise and change the top management, since the previous sources of rent are coming to an end due to the change in technological structures. Let's see how the shareholders pass this test.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 5 February 2021 10: 15
      -7
      What a smart bot!
  5. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 5 February 2021 06: 17
    +8
    "Currently, there are two clans participating in the game of thrones: the state and Navalny's movement."
    It is not true, the first clan is the representatives of the Russian bourgeoisie together with the head of the ruling class, Putin, the second clan is the representatives of the Western clan of the bourgeoisie, headed by their puppet Navalny. The people of Russia have no interests in these showdowns, but partly supports the protest, because the ruling class besides plunder the population is not engaged in anything.
    My personal demands are: Fair distribution of income, basic payments, a progressive tax scale, the elimination of nepotism and corruption.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 5 February 2021 09: 42
      -9
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Equitable distribution of income, basic payments

      Well, yes, "Take everything - and divide it!" Is your last name Sharikov by chance?
      Have you tried to work to begin with?
    2. Achilles
      Achilles 5 February 2021 13: 22
      -6
      Quote: Pessimist22
      "Currently, there are two clans participating in the game of thrones: the state and Navalny's movement."
      It is not true, the first clan is the representatives of the Russian bourgeoisie together with the head of the ruling class, Putin, the second clan is the representatives of the Western clan of the bourgeoisie, headed by their puppet Navalny. The people of Russia have no interests in these showdowns, but partly supports the protest, because the ruling class besides plunder the population is not engaged in anything.

      You are deeply mistaken, if the puppet Navalny wins, then Russia will end, if, as you cut out "representatives of the bourgeoisie of Russia, together with the head of the ruling class Putin" the people will remain

      Quote: Pessimist22
      eradication of nepotism and corruption

      The eradication of nepotism and corruption is, in principle, not possible, even small firms and even the simplest worker have this, it is necessary first of all to change the thinking of the people, in the minds of every citizen there should be an idea: "man is a brother and friend to man, and not an enemy and competitor"
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 5 February 2021 14: 53
        -5
        if the puppet Navalny wins, then Russia will end
        Behind him is such a "statesman" as Khodorkovsky, so yes, the end. For him, Russia is a business, therefore, unprofitable assets - Kamchatka, Altai, the Volga region - must be sold at least cheaply. The Caucasus is there - there, in addition to subsidies, is also his trumpet power will begin to sway. Hodor planned to hand over nuclear arsenals, in this way both NATO and China (Yes, and Korea (both of them wassat )) will be able to push by force любые solutions. This is the end. The horror, however, will be endless.
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 5 February 2021 06: 19
    +8
    the authorities will have one policy: to seize and imprison.

    And then there may be no sanctioned rallies.

    And silence !
    1. unaha
      unaha 5 February 2021 08: 42
      +12
      Well, what did they want:
      “Smart people warned long before voting on stumps:“ zeroing ”the terms of office for the current master of the Kremlin will not be enough. It is too tempting for the authorities to multiply to zero social obligations, as well as legal guarantees for the majority of Russians, with one movement of the hand. elite.

      Since then, with the tacit consent of the majority, tax and banking secrets, the rights of citizens when communicating with the police, secrecy of correspondence, etc. have been nullified. This means that new "zeroes" are not far off. "
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 5 February 2021 08: 44
        +7
        Quote: unaha
        new zeroes are around the corner. "

        And not zeroing, but digitizing!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 5 February 2021 08: 52
      +6
      And then there may be no sanctioned rallies.

      And silence !

      And the dead with braids stand along the roads ..
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  7. Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 5 February 2021 06: 20
    +8
    And what is “clear state ideology”?
    What a clear state. ideology in the USA or in Germany? What is it in Britain? In Saudi Arabia, what is it?
    Very often lately Russia is blamed for the absence of a certain state. ideology.
    Ideology is a program, how are citizens obliged to live and what should they strive for? As in the USSR under Stalin or the Third Reich or China under Mao? Or what is it? I'm really very interested in what this very vague concept means.
    1. tatra
      tatra 5 February 2021 06: 33
      +10
      The enemies of the communists who seized Russia have had a clear ideology for all 30 years - malicious, slanderous, hypocritical, delusional, cowardly ANTI-Sovietism, including Putin with his "galoshes" and "Lenin's bomb", deputy Kalashnikov, who recently slandered the USSR. And become any of them instead of Putin, even Navalny, this ideology will not change, because they have nothing else - not FOR themselves, FOR what they have done, nor FOR Russia and the Russian people.
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 5 February 2021 06: 34
      +11
      Under the current capitalist system, this ideology of making a profit, everything that they broadcast on TV about caring for the people is a lie, only profit is important.
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 5 February 2021 07: 52
        -8
        Under the current capitalist system, this ideology of making a profit

        Let me remind you that there is only one socialist country in the world - the DPRK. The rest of the countries in the world ALL live according to the capitalist model of the economy. In Russia, the economic formation has already been changed twice: first from the capitalist to the socialist, then back. In both cases, this was accompanied by cheers from the crowd and devastation for the next decade.
        only profit is important.

        Read Karl Marx's capital - everything is written there. Why such naive delusions?
        1. Pessimist22
          Pessimist22 5 February 2021 07: 57
          +6
          Capitalism is an economic system of production and distribution based on private property, legal equality and free enterprise. The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 5 February 2021 08: 22
            -6
            The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit.

            you yourself answered your question.
            It's just that the Western capitalist model survived the crisis through the creation of the institution of trade unions in the 30s of the last century. Which ultimately received real opportunities to influence the exploiters-capitalists, forcing the latter to share profits in the form of social guarantees and improved working conditions. This institution has been polished in the West for half a century.
            In our country, a similar role in the USSR was also played by the trade unions, coupled with the leading role of the party. But after the destruction of the socialist society, the trade unions also sunk into Summer. And the new institutions did not work out. Either time has passed, or everyone is happy with everything. But I will note - trade unions in the same USA (and in other countries) did not appear at the behest of the government, which, in fact, fulfilled the desire of just the capitalist minority. It was born from below, from the working environment. Therefore, it is naivety to wait for someone from above to give you a piece of candy and shake your hands in the direction of the government.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 February 2021 12: 07
            -4
            Quote: Pessimist22
            The main criterion for making economic decisions is the desire to increase capital, to make a profit.

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  8. sergo1914
    sergo1914 5 February 2021 06: 21
    +22
    ... Now many people say that it would be better for Navalny to stay in Germany and from there, like Lenin, he led his fight against the Putin regime.


    Wow! An alternative story was superimposed on ... I can't even formulate.

    This is the main problem for you: the lack of a clear state ideology. And therefore, not only me, but also millions of Russians do not want it. And this is wrong, we have to want to go somewhere. To a bright future, to fight against ... or in the name of ...


    We don't want to go anywhere. A twenty-year rise from your knees is enough. Knees are crunching already. We just want to live in a healthy, beautiful and rich state, taking care of all our citizens, and not just a handful of hangers-on under the king. We want to want to defend this state (and not a bunch of gluttonous oligarchs) from external threats. We want to raise children and grandchildren by showing an example of building and developing the state, and not stealing the remnants of Soviet power and resources. When the authorities already understand that it is not about Navalny, not Lenin, not Stalin, not the State Department and Soros. The reason lies in the very inhabitants of the Kremlin. There would be no palaces / cooperatives / theft / corruption - there would be no Navalny / Khodorkovsky / Udaltsovs ... A big mirror should be hung in the Kremlin. And look there more often.
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    2. unaha
      unaha 5 February 2021 08: 51
      +9
      "When the authorities already understand" - the authorities understand everything perfectly. Therefore, all these buns for the "siloviks", the "rabid printer" of the State Duma with attempts to limit privacy on the network as much as possible and in general, in principle, and so on.
      Here is a fresh example:
      The Ministry of Digital Affairs has developed amendments to the law "On Communications", designed to correct the provisions of Article 63 "Secrecy of Communications". It proposes to change the list of information constituting the secret of communication. The key proposal is to provide law enforcement agencies with access to information about the geolocation of subscribers and data from the billing of telecom operators, where information about connections is stored, without a court decision.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 5 February 2021 06: 22
    -5
    The leaders of Navalny's movement can follow the leader to places that are not so remote, because ... Because this is possible here.
    And thank God!
    1. victor50
      victor50 5 February 2021 09: 49
      +6
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The leaders of Navalny's movement can follow the leader to places that are not so remote, because ... Because this is possible here.
      And thank God!

      Well yes. There is nothing else to do in the state! Navalny is the only and main problem ?! lol Is everything else just great?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 5 February 2021 09: 56
        -10%
        Quote: victor50
        More after all in state do nothing!
        As long as there is a state, there will be something to do. Will there be no state, freedom? fool
        1. victor50
          victor50 5 February 2021 10: 19
          +8
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          As long as there is a state, there will be something to do. Will there be no state, freedom?

          Did you break your forehead? laughing Maybe a better deed? Build something, fix it, improve it? lol
  10. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 5 February 2021 06: 24
    -4
    The ololosha has a continuation today, this time they are charged with Part 2, Article 128.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, but there it is not far before the consideration of the case under Article 159 of the Criminal Code ... This is for a long time.
    And that is why gentlemen from the commercial party of the Russian Federation were not included in the list, because it is too early to write off Zyuganov, and even remembering the pre-election of 2016, they were ready to unite with everyone, indiscriminately. And the announcement from Zyuganov says that he, too, is not averse to making a mess in the country: "The CPRF stands for a meaningful and constructive protest based on a real development program! Our allies from the Popular Left Patriotic Front will take part in rallies across the country." And I can assume that the head of all this will be the ALL-RUSSIAN PUBLIC ORGANIZATION "RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS OF SOCIALIST ORIENTATION" under the leadership of Ivan Ignatievich Nikitchuk. Probably a new future candidate for the throne ...
    1. tatra
      tatra 5 February 2021 06: 39
      +1
      With hypocritical "righteous anger" exposing political repressions in the USSR against YOU, the enemies of the communists for the crimes of the communists, after your seizure of the USSR you yourself proved that you think that you have every right to carry out political repressions and will never recognize them as your crimes.
      1. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 5 February 2021 06: 53
        0
        Quote: tatra
        With hypocritical "righteous anger" exposing political repressions in the USSR against YOU, the enemies of the communists for the crimes of the communists, after you seized the USSR, you yourself proved that you believe that you have every right to carry out political repressions, and will never recognize them as your crimes

        You already be kind do not equate the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the current commercial party led by Zyuganov, one statement of his Moscow City Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the events of January 23 that "... January 23, 2021 was marked by massive protests throughout the country. Thousands of people left, including in Moscow. In these conditions, the Russian authorities, instead of listening to the voice of the people and starting a dialogue with people outraged by the injustice of life, began use force, harshly detain participants. " puts the Communist Party of the Russian Federation on the same level with the bulk. Naked populism, but in fact the game is on the side of Russia's true opponents.
        1. tatra
          tatra 5 February 2021 07: 12
          0
          Ha, the answer is in the eternal cowardly style of the enemies of the communists, who seriously imagined that they are better than the communists, but whenever they write and talk about YOU, you cowardly "turn the arrows" to the communists, and categorically do not want to discuss YOURSELF. made . You have now confirmed what I wrote above, for the enemies of the communists all 30 years after the capture of Russia, the ideology of ANTI-Sovietism / ANTI-communism.
          1. Mykhalych
            Mykhalych 5 February 2021 10: 04
            -3
            Quote: tatra
            You have now confirmed what I wrote above, the enemies of the communists all 30 years after the seizure of Russia ideology ANTI-Sovietism / ANTI-communism

            I hope you are familiar with Aleksandra Andreeva, a deputy from the Communist Party of the Moscow region of Lefortovo, because apparently she is your ally in the Commercial Party of the Russian Federation, how will you comment on her statement about the St. George ribbon at the Victory Parade in Moscow:

            Read here: https://yandex.ru/turbo/tsargrad.tv/s/articles/kompartija-rusofobov-kto-pljujot-na-pamjat-zhertv-vov_181731 You know very well, clearly, all about what "patriots" of Russia in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 5 February 2021 06: 31
    +5
    In the first lines of my story, I would like to express my deepest satisfaction that the main protest manager of Russia went on a well-deserved corrective labor rest.

    In general, this circus had to be finished even when the authorities, according to a scenario I did not understand, bestowed a second suspended sentence on Navalny.

    Too many misunderstandings, or rather MUTI, around the bush ... obviously, if you manage to avoid lousy consequences for all this, then only MIRACLE !!! and this, I, is NOT ABOUT SANCTIONS ... spit on them, we will survive !!! This is me talking about the internal, OUR, conflict, discord in the COUNTRY, discord among the POWER, LEADERS !!! when the bar is at war, the peasants' forelocks / ridges crack!
  12. Far B
    Far B 5 February 2021 06: 31
    +10
    I have always held the opinion that Oval is a Kremlin project. Rather, from the moment the second conditional was rolled into him, before that he somehow did not really pay attention to this character. Here the Udaltsov-Yashins were closed for real terms, and Lesha - conditional. And the opportunity to create "bobro": to plan exposures and organize meetings. None of the authorities paid any particular attention to the revelations (the film about not Dimona is a vivid example), and no one particularly attended the rallies. At the same time, Ovalny was suspiciously often promoted on TV (including state channels) and on the Internet. In short, Lesha was a kind of lightning rod - through him, the steam of popular discontent was slowly bleed off.
    But it happens that domestic dogs try to challenge their owner's right to leadership. And they bite. So Lech suffered (the fact that he was hounded by the FSB, especially the meme "Novice" - I do not believe from the word at all; they would like to bang, they would have banged). All the irons of the country and abroad were trumpeted about the history of poisoning, and citizen Oval swung at the sacred - he released a film about the palace of the One Who Cannot Be Named. So, perhaps, he would also have a third conditional soldered - but what if not, with the possibilities of our justice? But, damn it, encroached on holythe. Therefore, they covered up nafig.
    Well, and the fact that sworn foreign partners will now begin to play this card - don't go to grandma. Including through the rallies of the dissatisfied, whom our government itself bears at the speed of a herring - in the millions. And, indeed, God grant that the government, which will collapse sooner or later under such conditions, is actually picked up by the left forces.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 5 February 2021 10: 55
      -4
      Quote: Dalny V
      Citizen Oval swung at the sacred - he released a film about the palace of the One Who Can't Be Named. So, perhaps, he would also have a third conditional soldered - but what if not, with the possibilities of our justice? But, damn it, encroached on a saint. Therefore, they covered up nafig.

      And nothing that even the Czechs confirmed that the interiors of the Prague Library were used in this "film" to depict the interior of the palace. belay "Having lied once, who will believe you?" (C) For this palace back in 2011, they raised a cry, so what? Like adults, and sometimes you read comments wassat
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 February 2021 06: 36
    +5
    Here they are "stoking" the topic of "bulk"! ... If there were a person with indisputable achievements, independent views, then "our" and "nenashi" media would play "silence".
    The author suggests defining the ideology ... Why? Again "red-white" showdowns and rivers of blood will begin. Russia needs real ideas and people who will solve the problem of the national interests of the Russian Federation.
    There is no "Game of Thrones" in Russia. There is "such" power + Rosgvardia and buffoons - "politicians" that Roman listed.
    1. tatra
      tatra 5 February 2021 07: 19
      0
      "Cold" Civil war on the territory of the USSR between "reds" and "whites", with breaks for "hot" Civil and Great Patriotic War, has been waged all 103 years after the October Revolution, and will never end. And Putin has proved that he is afraid of both the "reds" and his "whites".
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 February 2021 08: 56
        -9
        Quote: tatra
        Civil war on the territory of the USSR between "reds" and "whites"

        Civil war is not a war between reds and whites. This is a war between the exploiters and the exploited. Many former tsarist generals sold themselves to the West, but many tsarist generals went over to the side of the people and it was with their help that the people overcame the intervention of the West. The people in which direction they called, ended up there. So to divide into red and white is fundamentally wrong, which leads to wrong conclusions.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 5 February 2021 06: 41
    +12
    The author, in fact, does not offer any ideology himself .. Something like "socialist monarchism" with an admixture of democracy .. Yes, and the people do not know what they want. Capitalism, already in the tonsils, socialism is not .. This is Toyu the last will be taken away .. So in Baghdad, everything is calm .. sleep peacefully. There is no struggle of thrones .. The financial clans are fighting for power .. with someone else's hands.
  15. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 5 February 2021 06: 41
    +9
    The main force will come into motion when the number of fines, bans, deceptions, various punishments and not smart laws from the State Duma and the government exceeds all reasonable limits. You cannot endlessly squeeze the spring of the people's patience, someday it may strike in the opposite direction ... No rating will help here, the last days of Yeltsin's rule showed it well ... And Navalny will have nothing to do with it.
  16. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 06: 48
    +16
    the KGB / FSB have always been able to work and (I really count on it) have not forgotten how to do it so far
    In the KGB, yes, they could. But as my friend, a former employee of one of the interesting departments, says, there are practically no professionals left in the law enforcement agencies, today the system does not favor professionals, more and more sycophants who know how to polish the back points of the authorities. Now the position is put on the principle of loyalty, and according to the ability to enter envelopes.
    1. for
      for 5 February 2021 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      In the KGB, yes, they could.

      Until the 90s, and then they forgot how to do it or rather decided to work for themselves.
  17. Yura
    Yura 5 February 2021 06: 50
    +1
    The author has a good attempt at understanding and understanding. In this situation, it seems to me that Russia had a small choice - not to let him go to Germany for treatment, and we, realizing that this is a prepared provocation, may well admit that Navalny would simply be poisoned here and the scream would be no less, if not more, probably for this the organizers also had a calculation, or let it go, but monitor the situation and take measures as it develops, understanding what and why are being done tirelessly by foreign beacons of democracy, also understanding the consequences in the form of sanctions, etc. The second option was chosen; one. The pressure will continue to grow until they understand that the freedom of this dirty trick in this case is a complete loss of face by Putin in front of everyone and that he will not agree to this, which in turn means the loss of face of those who organized the provocation. Situevina, of course, they will twist their legs, threaten, complicate the life of Russia, but they are unlikely to succeed, everyone will remain in their own interests. Well, our youth, or rather, some of its representatives, everything will be like the proverb "learn from mistakes" and they have enough to learn among the mischievous, but frank downs are minuscule.
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  19. Konstantin Shevchenko
    Konstantin Shevchenko 5 February 2021 07: 16
    +2
    "What pain, what pain
    Argentina - Jamaica, 5: 0. "Chaif. According to the text.
    Who knew Magnitsky as a politician, or even before his death in jail other than Browden? That's where we need to start.
  20. nikvic46
    nikvic46 5 February 2021 07: 18
    +2
    If you do not delve into the wilds, the country has divided into fans and their idols. Everyone knows "Don't make yourself an idol", and they still take this bait. Someone likes a catchy phrase. And they are poured like grain to chickens. But the whole question is why are such people released abroad with their own hands? To get problems later? Roman, it seems, with "Zoya" you hurried. Milonov put it that those who criticize this film are the Gestapo. No more, no less. So such films will be baked like pancakes, and we must say - "Oh, how delicious."
  21. Odysseus
    Odysseus 5 February 2021 07: 20
    +14
    Much has already been said about the strategic prospects for Navalny (and after the landing for Putin and Co. they are very unhappy). There is no point in repeating myself. Now, the article is devoted to the events of the near future, about tactics. Here, as in a good play, each character will appear on stage at the right moment.
    Now any communication between Putin and Co. with the countries of the first capital of the world will begin and end with the question of Navalny. SP-2? Navalny. Sanctions against Putin's entourage? Navalny, well, etc. The power of the Russian Federation has become radically toxic. It is possible to communicate with it for the benefit of the West, but only with a surcharge and within very narrow limits. Sanctions will grow crescendo, more and more moving from sanctions to the country to sanctions against the Ozero Cooperative, and behind the scenes, the entire elite of the Russian Federation.
    The Russian authorities will respond to this with words about "unprecedented pressure", calls to rally around Putin (saying that supporting sanctions against Vekselberg is treason to the motherland), shouts of "innocent me" and "this is for us" and at the same time offers of cooperation. At the same time, Putin will all the time talk about the threat of a new war and nuclear weapons. The point is simple - take the West to fear.
    Any activity of citizens of the Russian Federation unauthorized by the authorities will be prohibited and punished. Sanctioned will also be minimal, strictly on holidays and only for controlled parties and movements.
    Navalny will sit as a symbol and will probably receive the Nobel Prize in 2021. Navalny's people will take his wife as a leader and, starting in spring (when all the detainees are now partially released), they will begin to leave again. All of their shares will be "unmatched". And they will grow towards the elections (which are important not in themselves, but as a reference point). Here the authorities will strive to plant / scare as many people as possible in order to knock down the wave, and Navalny's people will keep and increase their numbers.
    Well, prices will rise and the population will become poorer and die out regardless of all this. Because it depends on the entire socio-economic structure of life in the Russian Federation. Moreover, the dynamics of oil prices will have an even greater impact than sanctions.
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 5 February 2021 09: 41
      0
      Lech has not invested badly for two years. before, the cistern was between the Kremlin towers. right now he has a different status and level. Zyugan Zhirik and the rest of the lured left far behind. in two years if the Kremlin starts to play according to the rules, it may be intriguing. Vova in the next two years, I think it will not be sweet and all these social angles will worsen
  22. Tagan
    Tagan 5 February 2021 07: 24
    0
    In my opinion, Leshik's role here is somewhat exaggerated. We remember very well that if the “partners” do not find a suitable pretext for imposing sanctions or some other muddy actions, then in five minutes they come up with it on their knees.
    In general, the election of Leshik to the role of an "opposition figure" is strange. The character is stealing and pathologically deceitful. Constantly plunges into nasty stories. His surroundings are complete suck freaks. And he himself externally, as soon as he sniffed the coke. And they decided to put this Petrushka as a counterbalance to someone ?!
    For the authorities, he turned out to be rather a gift of fate.
    By the way, the decision to return did not depend on Alyosha. They just gave him in the ass so that he flew and worked the ration to the end. Leshik, even in spite of his dullness, understood that he would be closed.
    It seems that for Leshik there is still a role with an ending similar to Magnitsky. Well, he is simply not capable of other roles. From a black sheep, at least a tuft of wool.
    1. jonht
      jonht 5 February 2021 08: 13
      +1
      I completely agree with you, Magnitsky did not go into politics, but he became the reason for the sanctions, Nemtsov, as the "main" oppositionist, was thundered, but there was no movement. Khodorkovsky from the zone tried to mold his electorate through "open Russia", although it would be more correct to call it Closed. Upon gaining freedom from the hands of the darkest, he quickly dumped himself over the hill and tries to shit from there.
      Any Kasyanovs, Karpovs and others as an opposition should not be considered at all.
      And probably Navalny was for the West that straw for which they thought to draw out a prize for themselves.
      And everyone who thinks that if the authorities had acted in one way or another, we would have been in chocolate, they are greatly mistaken.
      It is not difficult to come up with a reason for sanctions for them, but it is better to create a loud informational occasion, so it was created, it is strange that in Germany Navalny was not finished off as a victim of the regime. Probably the experience with Nemtsov was not in vain. hi
  23. Miyamoto musasi
    Miyamoto musasi 5 February 2021 07: 37
    0
    I don’t know how good the idea is to substitute Russia for the next sanctions, blame the United States for everything and try to rally the Russians once again in the fight against a common enemy.

    and why I am no longer surprised by the sanctions
  24. evgen1221
    evgen1221 5 February 2021 07: 41
    -3
    The basement simply makes money stupidly for himself, and is not embarrassed in the ways, since these methods are Russian from 90 give a lot. (Sit), go out and dump a wealthy person is a fact. And he never wanted to anymore, all his deyitelnost to the fight against corruption has nothing to do, this is purely PR and earnings on the political topic, well, like how galkin on stage mows the cash. The authorities themselves gave birth to such unscrupulous people with their irresponsibility and actions to steal everything and everyone. And now, as usual, they are pulling the phrase, but why are we doing nothing?
    1. Kisa
      Kisa 5 February 2021 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      The basement is just making money stupidly

      hmm I don’t know. for an amateur earnings. almost died from a coma, dragged into a slammer, closed with unclear prospects ...
      there are many other ways, well, not to the palace, then at least a house on Como lake to earn
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 5 February 2021 10: 00
        -5
        You say they pulled out of Coma, we chewed the fire from the school desks, the symptoms were like chickenpox, 3-5 days of legal cheat codes should be removed from the school. Lexis has the same simulator. But are there many ways for a fake 100ml of views to cut down in 3 days? -And this is such a tangible granule from YouTube, and there are other social networks where they pay. Well, what are your other arguments?
  25. Boris55
    Boris55 5 February 2021 07: 56
    -5
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    This is the main problem for you: the lack of a clear state ideology.

    You are not right.

    We have many ideologies. Even in the Constitution it is said about this (Article 13, item 2). The bearer of ideologies are the parties:
    - EP, bourgeois ideology - exploitation of man by man;
    - CPRF, Marxist ideology - a secular version of the Bible for the Conquest of the World;
    - LDPR, liberty-democratic ideology;
    - cf., social democratic;
    - Apple, sour sweet ideology;
    etc. Ideology over ideologies is called a concept.

    All ideologies are inscribed in the dominant concept. All parties, ideologies that do not coincide with the intentions of the dominant concept, are stifled in the bud.

    To date, we really, through the State Duma, through the adoption of laws, the ideology of the United Russia is being implemented, including. the ideology of the United Russia is the ideology of Russia... The problem is not that we do not have an ideology, but that the people do not accept it, do not accept the dominant concept of building an unfair society as a whole, no matter what party (ideology) it hides behind ..

    It is not the ideology (party) that needs to be changed, but the concept of building society: from an unfair to a fair path of development.

    There will be elections to the Duma in the fall. We are again waiting for what kind of ideology, what party, we will be offered ... Whichever party takes the majority in the Duma, the concept of exploitation of man-man will not change.

    The social system can and must be changed in an evolutionary way, and for this each of us must evolve on his own: "... the Kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: here it is, or: here, there. For behold, the Kingdom of God inside you are "(Luke 17: 20-21)
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 5 February 2021 10: 05
      +1
      IMHO all of these parties agree on one ideology-in the morning money chairs in the evening, then, perhaps, but money in advance. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation as an engine of social justice since the Yeltsin elections has shown itself to be an ideological fighter for loot at the trough, or social justice in the distribution of benefits among those admitted to it.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 5 February 2021 10: 18
        -7
        Quote: evgen1221
        all listed parties agree on one ideology

        "Ideology - a product of ideological power, controlled by conceptual power.

        Ideology - This is the concept of governance, set out in a way that is understandable to the masses of the people so that it does not cause them to be rejected, much less actively targeted against it. The object of influence of ideological power is the whole society, however, with the exception of those who are themselves conceptually powerful, and therefore stand above ideological power. Ideology is needed for conceptual power in order to form a worldview of people in society corresponding to the chosen concept so that people are under its power in changing life circumstances.

        The function of ideological power - to clothe a conceptually beneficial concept in such ideological forms in which it would appear in the opinion of people handsome and therefore acceptable, in which the concept would not cause rejection, and even more so - a targeted active opposition to the introduction of the concept into management practice up to the development and implementation into the life of an alternative concept to her.

        Freedom from ideologies - This is self-deception, but not spontaneous psychological, but purposefully cultivated by conceptual power. An ideology can be understood or not understood, accepted or denied, but members of society always encounter manifestations of one or another ideology, which is the shell of the concept of managing society from the side of conceptual power carriers.

        Ideological power - conceptually powerless, because it only adapts the concept to specific historical circumstances and is not capable of developing a concept.

        The quality of life of society:
        - first of all, it is determined by the management concept - its essence;
        - secondly, it is determined by the quality of management within this concept "

        In order to change the social system, and this is what many want, it is necessary to change the concept of management i.e. first, we determine how we will live (concept), and then agitate the rest for this life (ideology).
  26. Nikolay Kozin
    Nikolay Kozin 5 February 2021 07: 59
    +3
    And the ideology itself was handed over to the United States to be torn apart in 1991, when the EBN performed on a tank, and in 1993 they shot the legitimate government on the orders of the same EBN along with ideology, taking, for greater importance, the shooting of civilians and stormtroopers of the Ostankino television center by snipers in order to storm they crumbled everyone and everything in 1993 during the shooting of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, fortunately, the head of the stormtroopers did not go for this, but brought out the members of the Supreme Soviet and sent them home.
  27. Hagen
    Hagen 5 February 2021 08: 15
    -6
    Unfortunately, the author's attempts at deep analytics, and otherwise not to name, are doomed to failure due to incorrect initial attitudes. For example:
    But it was with Magnitsky that Russia began its sanctions path.

    Even me, who is not experienced in political analysis, understands that the confrontation between Russia and the United States began earlier than the last century. The first packages of sanctions against Russia were applied by the United States together with the Entente countries in 1917. And then the sanctions regime in relations between the United States and the USSR / RF weakened as our country weakened and intensified as Russia became stronger. The main way the United States influences our country is economic strangulation. It became especially relevant after the adoption of nuclear weapons by the USSR. All the officially named reasons for this strangulation - Jews, Magnitsky, Khodorkovsky and other creaked-bulk - are just filling in the cells in the main plan. There would be no Magnitsky, there would be someone else, the role of a specific surname is not essential, just media support. The same with Navalny, which the author indirectly confirms - "... The bill was very quickly concocted, and this business, you see, did not take two days ...". And here is a hint that, according to the author, it was not bad to quietly strangle some unwanted persons ("..... The main disadvantage is that nothing new is being offered to us. Navalny is the same phenomenon as Magnitsky and Khodorkovsky. Khodorkovsky could quite normally "play in the box", but he was left alive and "just" was imprisoned .... "), not to let others in (" ... In general, the stupidity was terrible, with his arrest and return. It would have been worth applying Soviet tactics: just not to let him back. As it was, for example, with the dissidents. They took out, tore up the passport and that's it. Persona non grata. Period ... ") somehow bloody draws the image of the author. But the point is that what the author admits, as an acceptable way of reaction for him is not acceptable for Putin. Most of those who communicate with him closely, even those who do not share his political views and decisions, characterize him as a “legalist.” And this is not because they want to please him, otherwise if they would not have spoken about it at all, they would have found a different “oil.” And further on in the article, we see the merging of the author’s goals with those of Navalny. Again, this supposed by the author “... in the future, the policy in power will be the same: grab and imprison ... . ", again idle speculation with no real evidence -" .... the burden on the electoral Komi will simply increase ss who will have to forge more ballots. "
    Again these threats - "... When people, citizens, say, in the fall, come and vote for anyone, just not for United Russia, and the next day they will be told about the victory of United Russia, as always with a huge advantage ..." ... But this - "... It is clear that, unlike Lukashenka, Putin won his elections. Both due to the correct choice of opponents and due to additional votes. But he was gaining quite calmly 50% of the votes, at least. Why was it necessary to add these percent of "convincing victory", it's hard to say. But they were ... "it would not be bad to prove. Either the author or the prosecutor's office in the case against the author. I think that the prosecutor's office has more chances. Another thing is that, most likely, with “someone’s connivance”, she “will not notice” this article. But I could have responded ...
  28. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 5 February 2021 08: 15
    +4
    It is only clear that the authorities and the pocket opposition have cleaned out the entire opposition ("theirs", "not theirs") to ashes. That it was not possible to create a new pocket-independent (Prilepin's party). And the author, enough to mold the hunchback about Lenin, as they said back in that Odessa, a joke told a second time is no longer a joke.
  29. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 February 2021 08: 23
    -5
    I am most surprised that people who made their well-being during the times of Putin VV demand that Putin VV go away. People have everything, but they just have to leave. I just fly such people, since there is nothing so principled to work in a place that was created with direct participation The president. Enough for a month, and then leave again. The impression is that they are mad with fat. Some experience of Ukraine stops, and Belarus too. hi
    1. unaha
      unaha 5 February 2021 09: 03
      +2
      "What surprises me most of all is that the people who made their well-being during the times of Putin VV demand that Putin VV go away."
      Really weird. Probably the kind slave owner was surprised when the slaves rebelled - they fed, watered, beat not often, why the hell do they still want !?
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 February 2021 09: 47
        -6
        And why are you surprised, the office is state, every hour of work strengthens the state and the image of the President. And rightly so. They pay well. Putin VV is for life, unless of course he finds a replacement!
        1. unaha
          unaha 5 February 2021 10: 25
          +3
          Here, as they say: "If the government takes credit for the rain, then you should not be surprised that they will blame the drought."
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 5 February 2021 09: 07
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I am most surprised by the people who made their well-being during Putin's time VV
      Putin has ruled for 20 years, and well-being depends not only on the president, but also on the person himself and on the coincidence of circumstances. Many did not even have a choice, with whom to do their well-being. Your logic, of course, is in the style of "my house is on the edge", or "home is where the ass is warm"
      Civil position, in general, should not depend on the well-being of a particular person.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 February 2021 09: 51
        -7
        Revolutions are enough for me. My friends live well. Yes, and the army is developing. Maybe it’s enough to wait for a good tsar.
        1. unaha
          unaha 5 February 2021 10: 29
          +3
          One should not wait for a king at all. It's just that in the modern, developed world, an executive director who does not cope with his duties leaves himself, without waiting for the founders to replace him.
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 5 February 2021 10: 58
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Revolutions are enough for me. My friends live well. Yes, and the army is developing. Maybe it’s enough to wait for a good tsar.

          If you and your friends live well, this does not mean that everyone lives well.
    3. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 February 2021 09: 24
      +4
      Interesting logic Andrei .. Under Putin (20 years in power) 90% of today's business has achieved prosperity (without businessmen in the 90s), if you do not take civil servants who, in theory, have great prosperity and are not supposed to be based on salaries, then you are probably talking about entrepreneurs and their jobs .. But these people have achieved THEMSELVES .. where does he? with what participation of the GDP do LLCs open and develop through a bunch of nerves and forces? and for the fact that a person has achieved something by himself - should he now pray for him? What's the connection? He invisibly supported the business all the time? You tried to start a business, at least a small one, and then you would raise your question .. or rather, I think you would not raise it .. I emphasize, this is not about those who pull money from the state, they are not particularly indignant ..
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 February 2021 09: 52
        -4
        Under Yeltsin, the competitor was a month ahead, became the egg king, we know, passed.
  30. Alex66
    Alex66 5 February 2021 08: 47
    +5
    Neither Navalny nor Putin reflects the interests of the majority of Russian citizens; they are protégés of competing factions eager to keep Russia under control. It is not difficult to fight off Navalny's grouping, it is enough to start pursuing a fair social policy, return pensions, medicine, education, stop lying about the USSR, and start using the best from experience, when production growth was expressed by tens of percent. But this is not possible; the exploiters have already blown away the roof and they cannot stop, continuing to rob those who feed and protect them.
  31. Baloo
    Baloo 5 February 2021 09: 01
    -4
    But today in the Kremlin, cadres do not decide everything. Bad there with staff. Therefore, the decisions are strange. Accept and plant is not a decision

    Whoever is the patron saint of the navralny in the Kremlin is in the air, now they have no roots from Ukraine, and dad worked in the Ministry of Defense, otmazyval his son from the army with strange diagnoses. Who the patron saint of navralny in the Kremlin should be shown to the people. And they planted it correctly, but that's why such a soft term? Will he be serving together with Efremov? wink
  32. Magnat231
    Magnat231 5 February 2021 09: 10
    +1
    I want to ask the author about the postscripts during the elections, they say everywhere, but they don't show anything. Facts and only facts, it's time to introduce an article for trepology, after all, you look, blurted out, and dumped, prove it, and maybe we will check it. Here the codpiece Fuhrer concocted a movie, YouTube played with voices, they supposedly believed him, and people reported from there, it's not true, go nuts, and yet, Putin, he builds bridges in three years, and I think I would build this hut faster if he was
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      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 5 February 2021 10: 36
        +2
        What are your options to prove the postscripts and other elective "tricks"? I'm just wondering .. Vidos were at the last vote with stuffing, people wrote applications, and the prosecutor's office and others like them saw them while monitoring the Internet .. where are the criminal cases? if not true where are the cases for fakes and false denunciations?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 5 February 2021 11: 41
          -4
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          What are your options to prove the postscripts and other elective "tricks"?

          If you cannot prove, then there is nothing to mention. In a criminal trial, and here the charge is a criminal offense, the burden of proof is imposed on the accusing party. As he can prove, his problem. The facts of violations, when they took place, were considered and the voting results were canceled. Skomorokhov directly accuses Putin of postscripting. And so he says that he added interest. No evidence. Ie commits a crime under Article 128.1. Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Libel (as amended by the Federal Law of 30.12.2020 N 538-FZ)
          1. Slander, that is, the dissemination of knowingly false information defaming the honor and dignity of another person or undermining his reputation ...
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          Vidos were on the vote

          How true are they, these vidos?
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          if not true where are the cases for fakes and false denunciations?

          These fakes are crimes belonging to the category of private prosecution cases, and the prosecution for them is initiated at the request of the injured party. There were no statements - no UD ...
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 5 February 2021 12: 33
            +1
            1. This is when 306 Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (false denunciation) - became a matter of private prosecution?
            And even on fakes, why then do the law enforcement agencies not monitor compliance with the laws in these cases? so the authority of the authorities is undermining with slander, but they are silent .. why so? really incompetent in your opinion?
            2. ahh, I understand you .. that is, for example, if I see that an official lives beyond his means .. villas have cars for several annual salaries worth, but he did not show me his shadow accounting department .. that means I must be silent and do not be indignant .. there was no case .. do you have such logic? Let him live happily .. maybe his grandmother gave him all this .. However, you can find an excuse even for vidos with stuffing and lack of reaction to them ..
            You know, if there is no piece of paper on some case, this does not mean that it does not exist and vice versa .. moreover, the crimes in general are not initially in the field of pieces of paper on which they are described, they go into pieces of paper during the investigation .. and before that without them .. but they are there ..
            3. I will answer with yours .. where Skomorokhov accuses Putin of postscripting and says that he added interest? This was not in the text .. why are you slandering a person .. where is your evidence .. or are you something else?
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 5 February 2021 18: 03
              0
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              This is when 306 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (false denunciation) - became a matter of private prosecution?

              I didn’t mean 306. The composition is different. Find a lawyer, let him explain to you how denunciation differs from slander. You yourself do not know, it can be seen. There is no point in commenting on everything else, because you are lost in the norms and your personal concepts of justice.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 6 February 2021 06: 03
                +3
                yes .. it is difficult to talk with a person who answers in a dialogue only as it is convenient for him and on what is convenient for him, forgetting about the rest, but not forgetting to get personal .. And yet - it’s unpleasant when you can’t be silent and have nothing to say, right? laughing all the best, official hi
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 6 February 2021 09: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  it is difficult to talk with a person who answers in a dialogue only as it is convenient for him

                  It is difficult to talk with a person who is trying to utter wisdom, despite the fact that he is absolutely not in the topic under discussion.
                  How can you evaluate this pearl? "... You know, if there is no piece of paper on some case, this does not mean that it does not exist and vice versa ..." Only one thing comes to mind - a revolutionary extrajudicial reprisal. How else, if you assume a "case" without substantial material evidence?
                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  become personal.

                  But it’s not nice to ascribe something that doesn’t exist to your opponent. This is aggression. I haven't touched your personality in any way. He did not give any estimates. In addition, that noted your misconceptions like the one above. And he answered your question on the private prosecution case. What are the complaints against me? You are asking yourself the question, why are you not guided by elementary legal analysis when choosing a norm? And you were wrong, I'm not a civil servant laughing , although I don't see anything wrong with working for the state.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 6 February 2021 11: 06
                    +2
                    Well, let's be specific then:
                    1. I write: Vidos were at the last vote with stuffing, people wrote applications, and the prosecutor's office and others like them saw them while monitoring the Internet .. where are the criminal cases?
                    You answer: that libel is a matter of private prosecution .. well, of course I agree .. and this part of the phrase "people wrote applications, and the prosecutor's office and others like them, while monitoring the Internet, saw them .. "why did you forget? write a false statement and there is 306 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation" False denunciation ".. but about stuffing in the elections .. this is not a private accusation my friend, this is 142.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Falsification of voting results - why did you decide to qualify stuffing as slander?
                    2. "Where Skomorokhov accuses Putin of postscripting and says that he added interest? Where is the answer?" - There Roman did not write in the text that it was Putin who did it .. and you said: "Skomorokhov accuses Putin of postscripting, directly. So he says that he added interest. No evidence." You like to refer to the factual circumstances, I also did so nowhere, he did not write that VVP came and faked something .. that is. when exactly as you did, demanding the fact - you did not answer ..
                    3. I don’t see anything shameful in working for the state either, I myself gave it 20 years .. But knowing perfectly well how the "system" works, now I understand - since you are not an official, you simply do not know how it works .. I hope .. because what if you know and write like this is really something else ..
                    P.S. with the phrase about the docks - of course I was tricky .. I meant that the crime is primary, and the papers on it are secondary .. that is. if there is no piece of paper, this does not mean that there is no crime ..
                    whereas if there is a piece of paper, this does not always mean that there is a crime hi
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 6 February 2021 11: 53
                      -2
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      Vidos were the last to vote with stuffing, people wrote applications, and the prosecutor's office and others like them saw them while monitoring the Internet .. where are the criminal cases?

                      Yes, there were a lot of vidos, but there were many refutations both on the stuffing, and on the "finds" of the forms previously laid down, and on fictitious elections. sites. In addition, high-profile cases get into the media, many initiated cases are considered without enduring the investigation process in the media. We are unlikely to find out what was considered there. I personally do not observe any malicious actions by the authorities in order to cover up violations in the electoral process. Otherwise, why spend millions on arranging video recording, or why increase the responsibility of officials for violations in this part of political life. After all, both the first and the second were carried out by the will of the authorities. Why, if you attribute to her the desire to be able to steer the vote count? There is no logic. The chairmen of precinct commissions I know unanimously say that, having got into the stuffing or other manipulations with the calculations, they lose not only in fines and other sanctions, but in general their main jobs, despite the fact that they are sure that there is no support from ruling party or person interested in litigation. A statement, however, cannot always be assessed as a "denunciation". After all, it was not for nothing that I suggested that you ask a lawyer for help, he could roughly describe to you, according to any composition, those "things" that are required to be proven in certain cases. You just need to know the characteristics of the crime. Jurisprudence is a humanitarian science, but there are also quite strict algorithms for determining certain compositions of pre ... You do not know them, therefore you are mistaken in statements.
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      You like to refer to the factual circumstances, I also did so nowhere, he did not write that VVP came and faked something .. that is. when exactly as you did, demanding the fact - you did not answer ..

                      Let me explain. In some cases, to determine the meaning of what has been said, a linguistic examination is necessary, which will establish in a scientific way available to her the presence or absence of meaning in the said phrase. The prosecutor's office did something like this, accusing Navalny of insulting a veteran. Indeed, in his statement, he also does not say that it is this veteran shown on TV that is the object of his assessment. Nevertheless .... the indictment took place. Skomorokhov's phrase can also be carried out through examination. And even the examination may not give an ironclad statement, the court will take it into account together with the analysis of other articles and statements of the mentioned person involved, made by him in this direction and similar topics. Of course, if it comes to investigation.
                      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                      But knowing perfectly well how the "system" works, now I understand - since you are not an official, you simply do not know how it works ..

                      Here you are also mistaken. To know the system, you need to work for many years in the management of this system. You have no such experience, judging by the lack of legal skills. You may know the place where you worked. But the elements of the system at different points may differ from what you encounter at work. Yes, the very statement about the "system" somehow does not look very good. What system, in what industry, what do you know about it - it's all some kind of haze, a shadow on the fence. Personally, I have no complaints about you and I am not trying to convict you of something not specious. I see you are worried about how our being is developing. The only thing I would like to give advice, if you will allow me, to respect the humanities, especially the legal. They allow you to develop the ability to orientate in the legal space, to determine the boundaries of legal behavior and your ability to comply with them.
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 6 February 2021 12: 56
                        0
                        Dear person, I also love jurisprudence, I gave it to it for many years and continue to give it and I treat it with great respect .. You yourself know that you can look at any business in different ways .. depending on which side you are from today .. and proofs of correctness - both there and there will be .. I confess that in some places I asked you questions in a slightly grotesque way because of harm, because in some places, you also went too far, demanding facts from people for any word hi As I understand, you are probably my colleague and you know perfectly well how it happens that a "law enforcement officer" will see one thing, and will not see another, depending on many things .. and not rarely ..
                        I once personally saw the stuffing .. yes I think you will not argue that they are present .. but there is not a single case in fact? but whether or not there is something in the application, if you have come across this, then you yourself know, depends on the experience of the investigator, instructions, expert opinions and much more .. therefore it is not clear to me .. if you are with all this, like I'm working .. why then are you proving the thesis - just write a statement and all the guilty will be immediately imprisoned and everything will be checked and everything will be installed, figuratively speaking ..
                        But since your vision is undoubtedly legal, it is clear that is why I entered the polemic, but it looks more like the position of a theoretician than practice "on the ground" .. unless of course you were cunning anywhere ..

                        And about Navalny .. well .. I agree, it's not entirely clear that he insulted the veteran .. but if I were in the place of the judge, I would have found guilty .. maybe with a minimum punishment, but guilty .. you need to think what you say .. and then something carried him completely ..
                        Yours faithfully,
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 6 February 2021 14: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        Nice person, I also love jurisprudence, I gave it to it for many years and continue to give it and I have great respect for it ..

                        So it was my fate that the Ministry of Defense gave the top ten, the other ten gave the Ministry of Internal Affairs. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, he started from the street and ended up as the head of the body of inquiry. I can only welcome your love for jurisprudence, but what you wrote earlier shows you in a slightly different aspect. Do not exact, work taught to believe, among other things, and reservations ... winked
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        You yourself know that you can look at any business in different ways .. depending on which side you are from today ..

                        I disagree. Any business can and should be viewed from the point of view of the law. And when we begin to look from the point of view of the "side" we occupy today, then there is a lack of confidence in the authorities and protest moods. I agree that some do this, but the majority strives to be guided by the law. Otherwise, today we would have had the situation of the 90s at a more tragic level. And even the presence of people like Zakharchenko will not change the fact that there are people like Nurbagandov, and their overwhelming majority. Maybe they are not all Sherlocks and Holmes, but to the best of their knowledge and skills, they strive to do the job in good faith.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        but it looks more like a theoretician position than a practice "on the ground"

                        When I, a sixteen-year-old boy, my grandfather, infinite authority for me, accompanied me to the station in VOKU, he told me - serve according to the charter, you will win honor and glory. I, as far as possible, and deeply over 50 strive to correspond myself and teach the same to children. Maybe a little idealistic, but as it is. He did not build palaces, but he is not ashamed of what he has acquired.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        You also went too far, demanding facts from people for any word

                        This is the difference between us. It is natural for me that any statement should be based on facts, and the prosecution on evidence. And if you consider this an "overkill", then .... I would not hire such a lawyer for myself, to put it mildly, but in all honesty, I tried so that he could not work in the legal industry at all.
  33. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 6 February 2021 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: Magnat231
    I want to ask the author about the postscripts during the elections, they say everywhere, but they don't show anything. Facts and only facts, it's time to introduce an article for trepology, after all, you look, blurted out, and dumped, prove it, and maybe we will check it. Here the codpiece Fuhrer concocted a movie, YouTube played with voices, they supposedly believed him, and people reported from there, it's not true, go nuts, and yet, Putin, he builds bridges in three years, and I think I would build this hut faster if he was

    Let's start with the fact that bridges are not built by Putin, but by Rotenberg. And this is like his shack. And then, do you know how long this shack is being built? A year, two, three, ten?
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 5 February 2021 09: 18
    0
    And everything, in my opinion, is just the Food Embargo, this is our know-how. everyone, hello North Korea, but it's easy to run such a country All the miscalculations are insidious imperialism, we live shitty, so all the resources for the fight against imperialism For the authorities, not life, but raspberries The main thing is that the security forces are indexed at a faster pace
  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 5 February 2021 10: 02
    +3
    Great Russia - a superpower could only be achieved on socialist (communist) rails with a totalitarian leader like Stalin. The best example is modern China.

    The leaders of the USSR were not afraid of disconnecting from the world payment systems, and the almighty Russian oligarchs and the talkative naughty fathers of Russian democracy were disposed of during the Red Terror.
    The West had no one to apply personal sanctions to, and the new red elite had never heard of offshore companies, it thrived on the sly on personal state dachas near Moscow. For their children, some PAST was the height of dreams, not Harvard ...

    Now Russia is again a raw material appendage of the West (passions-muzzles around Nord Stream-2).
    Everything should be done with an eye to the powerful oligarchs who appeared after 1991 and again and to the crap structures they created. The Internet and social media make it easier for them.
    They only found control over all this in Red China. but there is a powerful economy, and there they put them in the West with the impudent Yankees.

    In such conditions, the Americans with their allies simply will not allow resource-based Russia to become a superpower, no matter how many missiles with nuclear warheads do. Yes, and the people live poorly, Iskander in Kaliningrad cannot be smeared on bread ...

    And the national idea - see the ubiquitous advertising. "Think and get rich !". There is no other yet ...

    Somewhere like that, good gentlemen ..

  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 5 February 2021 10: 08
    +1
    If you think well, then the bulk gang has already been written off, and they did it themselves, it remains to formalize. Sobol organized the infiltration case for herself, the rest will go to the embezzlement case. In six months, someone will already be sitting, and someone else will knock over the hill. We will wait for a new opposition project, our friends will not calm down behind a puddle. And sanctions, there would be a desire, but there will always be a pretext. Yes, even if the same Rodchenkov dug in and find Putin's hand.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 5 February 2021 10: 57
      0
      The gang was really written off, and they had no chance of a revolution - they overestimated the readiness of the people to follow them .. But the security forces in some places acted "not gracefully", why so clumsy? now everything is on the Internet at once, the organizers of the operations won't understand.
      and Lesha could have been more accurately neutralized, and most importantly much earlier (unless, of course, he is not the "Kremlin project" that went against the boss) ..
      and Sable for a call to an apartment to take for penetration .. well .. damn it .. it would be better at least some kind of interference in personal life or illegal collection of information constituting a state secret ..
      and embezzlement from a non-profit fund .. also ridiculous, by definition it is almost impossible, there is no clear concept of spending, it’s a non-profit fund .. especially without a statement from the victims, who also cannot be found — the money is not targeted .. it would be better to spend the fund on the case being a "threat to national security" was attributed as a justification ..
      It is because of such "clumsy" actions that then everything looks "not very" both for young people and abroad.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 18: 55
      -1
      Quote: ZAV69
      our friends will not calm down behind a puddle
      If their friends are not given real deadlines here. They are afraid of the "digital gulag": everyone will immediately see where the money is coming from. And from here to the analog gulag a stone's throw.
  • Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 5 February 2021 10: 17
    +1
    As Ostap Bender said: "We need an idea, but it is not yet ..."
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 5 February 2021 10: 52
    -1
    I am of the opinion that it was not "ours" who were hounded.


    Who is "your"? MI6?
  • obratov
    obratov 5 February 2021 10: 55
    0
    This is how NAZISM began, my dear author! Ideology ... Yes! That's just a problem with her! The grandmothers somehow do not really roll!
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 5 February 2021 11: 32
    0
    Thanks for the article, Roman! Unfortunately, there is no leader now ... And he is so needed, "getting up from his knees" took too long ...
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 18: 49
      -2
      Quote: Michael55
      "getting up from your knees" took too long ..
      Get up already. Just straighten up ...
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 5 February 2021 19: 49
      -1
      winked To resist the weakest on your feet? Without a leader in any way?
  • Radikal
    Radikal 5 February 2021 11: 40
    +6
    ... yes, the KGB / FSB have always been able to work ...
    I would share the approach to these two different organizations .... winked
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 18: 36
      -1
      Quote: Radikal
      ... yes, the KGB / FSB have always been able to work ...
      I would share the approach to these two different organizations.
      Is there something in the way? Maybe the KGB was unable to take care of the security of the state, while the FSB is still coping.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 5 February 2021 11: 54
    +4
    Quote: Finches
    Modern ideological thought in Russia consists in the national-patriotic movement, placing at the forefront the goal of reviving Russia on its organically and historically inherent traditions: a strong united state, Orthodoxy as the basis of spiritual life, loyalty to Russian culture and maintaining the historical memory of the Russian people!
    From these maxims of yours it gives off in 1933, in Germany - there then, under similar slogans, those whom we defeated in 1945 came to power! sad
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 8 February 2021 10: 04
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      Quote: Finches
      Modern ideological thought in Russia consists in the national-patriotic movement, placing at the forefront the goal of reviving Russia on its organically and historically inherent traditions: a strong united state, Orthodoxy as the basis of spiritual life, loyalty to Russian culture and maintaining the historical memory of the Russian people!
      From these maxims of yours it gives off in 1933, in Germany - there then, under similar slogans, those whom we defeated in 1945 came to power! sad

      Those whom we defeated, attacked us, killed people of the non-Aryan race. Build this ideology within their state, drive out the superfluous, do not seize other countries, do not lead genocide, no one would even make a peep
  • kriten
    kriten 5 February 2021 11: 59
    +1
    Navalny has been stealing all his life, fighting for banknotes. At the same time, he chose the paths where you can take a lot at once. After 2 criminal cases, he realized that much more money could be raised on politics. And although in politics he did nothing but collect accusations against the authorities, he again collected huge money. But he needs it. The herd on which you can play replenishes our education after the reforms by Soros and Yasin, and for collecting a herd of sheep and manipulating it, the flow of money only increases.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 5 February 2021 14: 47
    0
    It used to be: Navalny is to blame for everything.
    Then somehow distracted, Trump, the USA, the virus, Nord Stream and Gazprom's profits.

    But as soon as the video appeared and the rallies, everything returned to the previous one.
    Navalny is to blame for everything. And planted in 3 days.
  • for
    for 5 February 2021 15: 34
    +4
    And in a couple of years no one would have remembered about Navalny.

    And many would not know him and would not remember him if the media did not water the dried earth on his grave.
    1. high
      high 5 February 2021 16: 29
      -2
      Where do the bulk come from - Karaulov's revelations: if it's lying, judge, if it's true, reward:
      Ballerina gets 2 billion rubles ..... corruption? 1
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuuKlRUM0v4&feature=youtu.be
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 5 February 2021 23: 53
        -4
        Quote: alta
        exposing Karaulov: if lying, judge, if truth, reward
        Like, the moped is not mine, I was only asked to give an advertisement for the sale in the newspaper ...
  • sniperino
    sniperino 5 February 2021 18: 09
    -2
    The latest example is Shariy. Well, yes, he's king on the internet. And in Ukraine? And in Ukraine there is an oppositionist who no one follows.
    How can you write such a blatant lie? His party has actually passed into the regional and municipal councils of Ukraine, and according to all sane ratings it is already getting into the Supreme (5,1%).
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 22: 27
      -2
      PS
      Well yes, he's king on the internet
      On IN their kings and field marshals
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 February 2021 18: 46
    +3
    Quote: credo
    Why blame the authorities if you don't know what you want

    the authorities are making a lot of efforts to not know what they want.
    limiting the teaching of acute social issues
    constant distraction for something else
    hunt for activists
    a lot of restrictions through laws, often contrary to the constitution
    there is a continuous stream of propaganda on television and other mainstream media
    history is changed and cleaned up
    a lot of literature and articles are published that compromise the successes of the past
    socially people will be cut as well - try to collect 100 people
    in half an hour, several policemen will be drawn who will begin to disperse
    and you are also politely to be found out, but for the whole day to the department to "find out" and with the prospect that they will tell your family and the employer ..
    so there is no need to shield the power - it most actively influences the helplessness of people and achieves this by any means, including the fact that they have no savings and people are constantly tormented by uncertainty for tomorrow.
    Another element of manipulation is indulging women in controversial social issues so that they help milk guys and husbands, not realizing what they are doing worse in the end.
  • Maks winter
    Maks winter 5 February 2021 18: 50
    +3
    a stranger article, I don’t remember something on VO ... if YOU, the author, wanted to write an analytical article, then
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 5 February 2021 19: 04
    +1
    But it was with Magnitsky that Russia began its sanctions path.

    far from it
    On November 16, 2012, the lower house of the US Congress approved a bill that included the abolition of the Jackson-Vanik amendment and a provision on the imposition of sanctions on the "Magnitsky list"
    Until 1994, the sanctions determined within the framework of the functioning of COCOM were in force. But even after their cancellation, the prohibitive measures introduced in September 1991 on the supply of electronic systems, optical fibers, communications equipment, marine and aeronautical equipment, jet engines, etc. to Russia remained in force.

    so the Russian Federation has been under sanctions since the very formation after the collapse of the USSR
  • Radikal
    Radikal 5 February 2021 19: 11
    +6
    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: Radikal
    ... yes, the KGB / FSB have always been able to work ...
    I would share the approach to these two different organizations.
    Is there something in the way? Maybe the KGB was unable to take care of the security of the state, while the FSB is still coping.

    What can you know about this, except what you see and hear in the media .... lol
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 5 February 2021 23: 45
      -2
      Quote: Radikal
      What can you know about it
      Nothing but facts. Do you know something else?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 February 2021 19: 26
    0
    Navalny is the same tool as a group of snotty shkoloty or hysterical loafers who dream of "nailing" thousands for a penny job, surrounded by not quite healthy grandmothers and grandfathers. There is such a persistent feeling that Lehi has a "roof" of "five-columnists" who have made their way into power and business. And it seems that these are not simple "perch" and "pike". And their project does not at all include improving the life of the "suffering". Yes, we have local "Yatsenyuk".