Military Review

The mountain gave birth to a mouse - on the doctrine of "Russian Donbass" and the difficult conclusions after the presentation

135

Photo: Administration of the head of the DPR


And again about integration


To frankly admit that I had to write about the Russian Donbass integration forum that took place on Thursday, January 25, after a while, so that the emotions caused both by the forum itself and by the Russian Donbass doctrine would subside. Yes, the event was attended by a number of distinguished guests (honor and praise for this!), In particular, deputies of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Kazbek Taysayev and Andrei Kozenko, editor-in-chief of RT Margarita Simonyan, actor and director Tigran Keosayan, journalist Roman Babayan and others ... Yes, there were quite frank words about the need for the final and irrevocable integration of the LDNR into Russia, and many beautiful arguments about lofty matters. The main thing remained unclear: why the doctrine itself turned out to be frankly weak and indistinct, and also whether any real actions will follow this pompous meeting?

By the way, literally right after the forum, the telegram channel donetsk_donbass, owned by the Ministry of Information of the DPR, distinguished itself, which published a lot of reprises about the “Armenian landing” and everything in the same spirit, which went not only beyond the bounds of decency and common sense, but also Russian legislation on inciting ethnic hatred. Probably, the head of the Ministry of Information Igor Antipov, whose department has recently been actively criticizing the Russian Federation, the visit of the Russian guests seemed an excellent occasion for "jokes".

In general, the main asset of the whole event was, of course, just the emotional speech of Margarita Simonyan, which, even though it was later called “personal opinion,” sounded very touching and once again reminded the inhabitants of the LPR that they are not alone. This, however, limited the tangible consequences of the project (at least for today).

Simulacra and stimulation


The doctrine of "Russian Donbass" itself was extremely upsetting. First of all, undoubtedly, by the unpleasant fact that three quarters of the document have long been known to all interested persons. historical facts. The fact that Donbass is a primordially Russian region, the injustice of its incorporation into Ukraine and other facts was widely and variedly discussed long before 2014 and an order of magnitude more after the formation of the LDNR. A clear impression is created that the numerous authors of the document, which they began to develop back in the summer of 2020, simply did not come up with something to fill it with, and therefore did not become too zealous. As a result, 30 of a little over 40 pages were filled with what was on the surface. The same applies to the "conceptual" part of the doctrine, which was concocted according to a simple recipe - 50% of memories of the events of 2014 and their causes, and another 50% - general phrases about the all-pervading unity with Russia and the Russian world. In general, the so-called "doctrine" most of all resembles a course project of a not too gifted student.

If you ask whether the whole idea was worth the candle, then the answer is obvious - it was. Even if the very attempt to create some kind of program document failed, the message was good, and thanks to a good buildup in the media and eminent guests, it was possible for a while to return the topic of Donbass to some illusion of relevance. Whatever one may say - but this is in favor of Donetsk and Lugansk, although, of course, it is hardly worth waiting for any fateful shifts. To be honest, all this hype strongly resembles another Chinese warning to Kiev, which is actively trying to rewrite Minsk.

Imitation of meaning


In addition, the doctrine of the "Russian Donbass" helped to finally become convinced of the unpleasant reality - the official Donetsk today is not able to generate new meanings that would explain to the public the sacred meaning of the traumatic reality. It was not even possible to explain, going beyond the outdated media discourse, what exactly happened in 2014, and why all the sacrifices were not in vain. The whole "explanation" boiled down to a set of worn-out cliches, familiar to everyone.

Frankly, there were faint hopes that Donetsk, which has always had a lot of bright minds, will give the republics an explanation, accessible to both the old and the small, of why it is important that Donbass is Russian, and why people are ready to die in the trenches or endure hardships of life for this in the LDNR. Something murderous and whole, like a quotation book by Mao or a catechism, that would give answers to all the main questions, while at the same time clearly defining the local line of values.

However, this work is difficult, responsible and even dangerous - it would be much easier to do with imitation of meanings. There is even a working hypothesis why this imitation was given birth in pain for so long: a lot of people in the government of the LPR are simply unable to answer any of the above questions - they know nothing about it. At least, such conclusions suggest themselves, looking at the anti-Russian and provocative rhetoric of the DPR Ministry of Information, whose leadership surprisingly still occupies its offices instead of regular visits to the investigator.
Author:
135 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Poetry
    Poetry 7 February 2021 15: 12
    +25
    We need the political will of the first person in the Russian Federation, otherwise everything will remain just words. How long can you talk about this topic? Don't the people of the LDNR deserve a peaceful life?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 7 February 2021 15: 16
      +39
      "Political will", or rather its absence, as it turned out, is afraid of finger threats from across the ocean and visits of European "partners" with portfolios full of unpleasant "surprises".
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 7 February 2021 15: 24
        +23
        I will never understand this ... We saved the people in Crimea. And what about the people of Donbass, "did not come out with a snout"? What's the difference? Seven troubles, one answer.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 7 February 2021 15: 46
          +38
          The answer is that the "Elites" do not care about ordinary citizens of both the LPR and Russia as a whole.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 05
            .
            Most importantly, do not forget to attach avatars with the Soviet flag or a portrait of Stalin.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 8 February 2021 09: 39
              +8
              Changing shoes in a jump is your everything. Don't forget when they come for you.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 8 February 2021 09: 50
                -6
                I don’t change my shoes in the jump, and I don’t stand out as a "faithful Leninist", as we like here, throwing tantrums, how the authorities do not care at all, that there is nowhere to put cars in the courtyards for spit.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 9 February 2021 12: 09
                  0
                  The fact that you are a fascist is no secret for a long time.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 7 February 2021 15: 55
          +23
          But how can I tell you .... And the respected author does not see the meanings. Although everything is on the surface. The Kremlin is not going to accept Donbass under the bosom of Russia. Causes? I think they are primarily selfish.
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 06
            -9
            To do this, you need to declare war, and then, do something with all these territories and the angry population.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 8 February 2021 09: 41
              +6
              So go ahead, for a change. Not on the couch. I have already fought for Russia. Your turn.
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 8 February 2021 09: 52
                -4
                If I had fought, I would not have called for war.
        3. Finches
          Finches 7 February 2021 15: 58
          .
          Then your misunderstanding should be expressed a little differently - And the people of Donbass, Kharkiv region, Nikolayevshchina, Kherson region, Odessa region and further on the list did not come out with a snout - that is, it was necessary to declare a full-scale war on Ukraine in 2014! And here, in addition to political will, many factors appear!
          1. 210ox
            210ox 7 February 2021 16: 40
            +17
            When the shells began to fly into the Rostov region, they probably should. And so we have an enemy at our side, who in any case will be admitted to NATO. It's a bit like the early 90s and dancing with partners.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 53
              +22
              Quote: 210ox
              It's a bit like the early 90s and dancing with partners.

              it looks like 1916! With all components
            2. EvilLion
              EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 11
              -8
              Shells in the Rostov region killed ONE person, after which, apparently, the ukram were silently responded with aviation, or counter-battery warfare, or maybe the GRU special forces quietly cut their throats to the calculations, and the topic was closed. To arrange a war with thousands of dead because of one dead, you seem to have big problems with logic. And do not think that neither you nor any of your relatives will be driven under bullets, a banal occupation of the former. The Ukrainian SSR may well require some mobilization, since a lot of infantry will be needed. Which will periodically die, even if the Air Force defeats the APU in a matter of days.
              1. 210ox
                210ox 8 February 2021 08: 50
                +10
                Maybe so. They cut their throats. And maybe in another way. As with Gazprom. When everyone here puffed out their cheeks for a couple of years in a row. How we drove gas through the air, how we supplied petrochemicals there, so we supply. All for the money.
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 8 February 2021 09: 53
                  +7
                  Your truth. hi,
                  as always, they wanted a small victorious war, but something went wrong, and in the end the purse outweighed, and the careless "cat abandoned the kittens." Now, when she is afraid for her own skin, she does not need them all the more since she is looking for how to disown them.
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 8 February 2021 10: 02
                  -6
                  There is less and less gas going through the air, it is completely transported, however, no one was going to block it. And why, because sooner or later a kirdyk will come to the pipeline, and it will be possible with a clear conscience to poke at the European partners: "We warned you."

                  And so you continue to jump off the topic and transfer everything to the grandmother. Without attendants, however, also somehow not very good.

                  Well, yes, an assumption is already being drawn that Putin is still just a Soviet person and it is a pity for him to be stupid, born in the same country as him, people who are completely imbued with the idea of ​​"enough to feed" may well come after him.

                  As soon as the Russian soldier did not have to fight more often.
                  1. 210ox
                    210ox 8 February 2021 11: 09
                    +4
                    And who jumps off? Yes, money. Everything is tied to them. Our budget replenishment opportunities are limited. Therefore, political decisions in the Donbass are tied to a backward glance. And what will happen if .... We admit, we will protect people ... And then they will hack to death on SP2, and they will arrest them on possible means, they will not put them .. I also say, I do not call for war. It's a shame for the state.
                    1. EvilLion
                      EvilLion 8 February 2021 13: 15
                      -4
                      SP2 will not be hacked to death, this is not our problem, more precisely for us it is less of a problem than for Europe.
          2. 210ox
            210ox 7 February 2021 16: 51
            +20
            Yes, I’ll add, Eugene. Since we are the "bad guys" - and we will be that way for them in any case, we should behave accordingly. We will not achieve a reciprocal understanding and normal relationships.
            1. Finches
              Finches 7 February 2021 17: 06
              .
              At the time of 2014, the Russian Armed Forces were not quite ready for a full-scale war with the Armed Forces of Ukraine hi
              1. 210ox
                210ox 7 February 2021 18: 57
                +7
                That is why it happened so historically .. We are always not ready for war. But! Of course, I don't want to call for war. hi
              2. New Year day
                New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 54
                +30
                Quote: Finches
                At the time of 2014, the Russian Armed Forces were not quite ready for a full-scale war with the Armed Forces of Ukraine

                so they are not ready hi
                1. Finches
                  Finches 7 February 2021 20: 53
                  .
                  hi But "- To wink - not to wink, - suddenly, lisping, said Colonel Nai-Tours, who had appeared in front of the sleeping Alexei Turbin from nowhere."
              3. volodimer
                volodimer 7 February 2021 21: 03
                +1
                I did not put a minus. The RF Armed Forces would easily neutralize the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Further along the branch there is a lot of reasoning, but my opinion is: if in Crimea everyone was in favor of joining Russia, then the result.
                And in Donbass there was no such predominance. At the beginning of the conflict, unlike Crimea, the east of Ukraine (certainly the elite) was not pro-Russian. Basically, they believed that it was enough to achieve some kind of independence from Kiev. But when "Kiev" began to kill, then the republics became popular. ...
                To the lost, glory and memory.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 7 February 2021 21: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: volodimer
                  And in Donbass there was no such predominance.

                  It was. And after the referendum, the leadership of the DPR asked for inclusion in Russia.
                  Quote: volodimer
                  But when "Kiev" began to kill, then the republics became popular. ...

                  And at the same time, Little Russia was declared in the LDNR. What happened next? We read Prilepin.
                  “The one watching from Moscow is in front of me,” I realized. There was no great mind to guess.

                  - We must disavow everything. Within half an hour, ”he said in a low, dull voice.

                  I have never seen Zakharchenko so silent. Having run up a little and carefully looking for the right minute word, the correct intonation - he is the Head of the republic, and he will speak like the Head - but ... somewhere there is an emperor.

                  - Who transmitted this? - asked the Head.

                  “He conveyed whoever is needed,” it is routine, and as if already tired of the conversation, the beholder said; and repeated again: - We must disavow. Otherwise, there will be trouble. Everyone has.
                  1. volodimer
                    volodimer 7 February 2021 21: 49
                    0
                    I will not argue. There is no sense now. What has been done or what has not been done .... Something had to be done at that moment explicitly, and not on the sly.
                    This is my opinion: the support of the population "for joining Russia" in Crimea was much higher than that in Donbass.
                    Perhaps because, and: "This city will come back Sevastopol will remain Russian" here, Gorodnitsky was slightly mistaken.
                    My rhyme: "Sevastopol is back, Sevastopol will ALWAYS be Russian."
                    Hopefully, namesake, we will see revival and reunification.
                    Yes, as a character in an anecdote, I believe in fairy tales ...
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 February 2021 09: 58
                      +9
                      Quote: volodimer
                      This is my opinion: the support of the population "for joining Russia" in Crimea was much higher than that in Donbass.

                      Was not.
                      The answer is actually very, very simple. Crimea was annexed because it is a strategic region, a naval base, and because if you give it to the Ukrainians, you have to say goodbye in the Black Sea fleet. But in the economic sense, Crimea is inert - there simply is nothing like that, except for some industrial base, again, the fleet.
                      At the same time, Donbass is a coal region, and its inclusion in the Russian Federation will cause the need to somehow support production there, and there are problems with the coal industry, it is subsidized. That is, in terms of the economy, this is another cost item in the budget - and it will have to be supported, and its coal miners and metallurgists will have to be pressed.
                      Neither the budget nor the friends of our president needs this. So it's business, nothing personal. And the interests of the people ... but who is interested in them in the government?
          3. Machito
            Machito 7 February 2021 18: 01
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            Then your misunderstanding should be expressed a little differently - And the people of Donbass, Kharkiv region, Nikolayevshchina, Kherson region, Odessa region and further on the list did not come out with a snout - that is, it was necessary to declare a full-scale war on Ukraine in 2014! And here, in addition to political will, many factors appear!

            Why should Russia declare war on Ukraine? It is necessary to use the Karabakh experience: to supply modern weapons to the LPNR, to prepare NM LPR in sufficient quantities and to throw the Eurofascists back to Poland by the forces of the republics. Voentorg and the North Wind have not been canceled yet.
            1. Finches
              Finches 7 February 2021 18: 06
              -6
              Why not...
            2. strannik1985
              strannik1985 7 February 2021 18: 12
              -5
              We must use the Karabakh experience.

              There are no oil and gas reserves in L / DPR, do not forget, Azerbaijan itself bought weapons, trained the army and the population, chose the right moment when Armenia drove itself into diplomatic isolation. Russia will not be able to handle such a burden on its own.
              1. Machito
                Machito 7 February 2021 18: 38
                +1
                Quote: strannik1985
                We must use the Karabakh experience.

                There are no oil and gas reserves in L / DPR, do not forget, Azerbaijan itself bought weapons, trained the army and the population, chose the right moment when Armenia drove itself into diplomatic isolation. Russia will not be able to handle such a burden on its own.

                What burden will Russia not be able to carry? We send money to the West in wagons, but send UAVs and weapons to the Russians in Donbass - no money? For 6 years, Donetsk miners could already dig a tunnel from Donetsk to Rostov, and carry whatever weapons you want. Ukrovermacht should finish off the NM LPR, but Russia has nothing to do with it. And new sanctions against us will be introduced this year and next and further in each subsequent year.
                1. 113262a
                  113262a 7 February 2021 18: 47
                  0
                  Quietly, do not fall down the office! ))) Not a tunnel, but a horizontal shaft is called! Miners.
                2. strannik1985
                  strannik1985 7 February 2021 19: 36
                  +5
                  What burden will Russia not be able to carry?

                  Can you tell me how many drone UAVs are in service with the RF Armed Forces? And how much with a laser rangefinder - designator? And loitering ammunition?
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 48
                  +27
                  Quote: Bearded
                  What burden will Russia not be able to carry? We send money to the West in wagons, but send UAVs and weapons to the Russians in Donbass - no money?

                  not Russia, but Russian oligarchs. Are there examples when something was built with their money for the country, and not for them personally?
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 7 February 2021 19: 57
                    +18
                    Dear Sylvester hi,
                    at all levels, exactly the opposite - for budget funds, profitable assets are created / modernized, which are then transferred to "friends of a friend" and other "loyal rowers" for a symbolic price. Massandra is a fresh example. High-tech equipment in hospitals there.
                  2. Kisa
                    Kisa 7 February 2021 20: 33
                    -1
                    from all these last movements with the economy, the protestors have noticeably shaken Vovino's chair ... in order to improve matters, I see two obvious directions for him to repeat the Crimea, in the role of which the LDNR will be well, and with the northern pipe to decide more or less decently before Leshka is released before elections
                    1. Postum
                      Postum 7 February 2021 22: 13
                      +6
                      There will be no LDNR in the role of Crimea, neither the Germans nor the Americans will allow it. For they tried to persuade Putin to be persuaded, but ulam and annexed Crimea, and even then in conspiracy with Obama, who surrendered him in exchange for non-interference and non-repetition of such a scenario in relation to the continental part of Ukraine. True, one tower of the Kremlin decided otherwise and in collusion with the Ukrainian oligarchs sent Strelkov & Co, and something went wrong. That ultimately resulted in the downing of Boeing and the disruption of the peacekeeping operation, while the Austrian and Dutch units were already ready, to whom it was not clear to whom it was beneficial. And after the arrival of the Accountant from the OSCE to visit Grandfather in March 2015, after which the sad Grandfather signed the Minsk agreements and stopped the war.
                      For the Russian Federation has no political interests, it is political groups within the Russian Federation that have their own political interests, which is reflected in such an inconsistent and illogical foreign policy
                      1. Kisa
                        Kisa 7 February 2021 22: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Postum
                        illogical foreign policy

                        quite logical. initially kept the LDNR as a bargaining chip if Kiev announces the price tag for the Crimea. now they hold it as a more valuable investment to push it back into Ukraine to destabilize it from within. but the activity of this Armenian woman and she is not just such a mouthpiece for the Kremlin and half a million issued passports - I think again the hype will be raised about Little Russia
                      2. Postum
                        Postum 7 February 2021 23: 34
                        +5
                        I disagree with you to the end, the LPNR has already become a subject of bargaining after the fact. And the fact that the media are promoting "Russian World" is ridiculous at all, this is its purest discrediting, although it has already discredited itself 14. And why half a million passports were issued - with only one purpose in order to attract the working-age population as cheaply as possible for the Russian Federation, without employing expensive resettlement programs for compatriots, and so "here's a passport and turn around", and besides, it also makes social programs cheaper in the LPNR, which already hangs on Russia
              2. AUL
                AUL 8 February 2021 09: 24
                +7
                Quote: Bearded
                We send money to the West in wagons, but send UAVs and weapons to the Russians in Donbass - no money?

                Yes exactly! It's time to stop being surprised. Billions are flowing away over the hill, and we collect the whole country for the treatment of the child on TV!
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 56
            +19
            Quote: Bearded
            supply modern weapons to the LPNR, prepare NM LPR in sufficient quantities

            who will pay for it?
            Quote: Bearded
            throw eurofashiks back to Poland by the forces of the republics.

            It is now impossible to do this by the LPNR forces.
            Quote: Bearded
            Voentorg and the North Wind have not been canceled yet.

            so the West wind has not been canceled either
          5. EvilLion
            EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 17
            -3
            Do you know that the LDNR population was originally 4 million? In the case of Armenia with Azerbaijan and Karabakh, the situation is completely opposite. Full economic and numerical superiority of Azerbaijan over Armenia and especially Karabakh with the ability to legally purchase tons of weapons. The fact that the LDNR will receive an air regiment and they will not win the war with a hundred tanks, but the whole world will understand that no new Su-35s were stored in the mines.

            Nonsense would at least not write.
        4. New Year day
          New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 15
          +22
          Quote: Finches
          And the people of Donbass, Kharkiv region, Nikolayevshchina, Kherson region, Odessa region and further on the list did not come out with a snout - that is, it was necessary to declare a full-scale war on Ukraine in 2014!

          And in the current situation?

          In those years, the financial service of the Red Army mobilized 67 billion rubles, of which the contributions of personnel to the defense fund amounted to 8,4 billion rubles, by subscription to government loans 12 billion.
          47 percent of direct military spending in that war was covered by personal savings of the population of the USSR.
          The question is: is there such money now and is the population ready for such spending? It is not superfluous to remind that now, without a war, the head of the Public Chamber's Commission for the Development of Agroindustry, Yulia Ogloblina, in 2020 proposed to issue food cards to poor Russians due to the rise in prices for basic products.
          Our patriots-oligarchs are not ready to spend their money laughing
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 7 February 2021 20: 09
            +11
            The mass of the population is "milked dry". For thirty years in a row, "pockets were turned inside out."
        5. Putnik119
          Putnik119 8 February 2021 07: 22
          -3
          People of Donbass, Odessa region, etc. Have you issued Russian passports? Issued. You can move to Russia. Yes, selling everything or leaving it in its old place. If you feel hot. No, it is necessary that you and your khatynkas and small gardens be moved. And to occupy territories means to add billions of money earned without you for your restoration. What, the pans were removed and ready to go into a well-fed life? damn it to you. Thank God, our leadership understands that most of you will gladly betray more and more dumplings for a bowl of dumplings.
        6. nickname7
          nickname7 13 February 2021 11: 47
          0
          it was necessary to declare a full-scale war on Ukraine in 2014!

          You have backward ideas, in the 21st century they put puppets, the same states put their own puppets
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2021 17: 37
        -1
        Quote: Poetiszaugla
        I will never understand ...

        What's incomprehensible? Crimea STRATEGIC point. It is very important for the defense of Russia. In addition, in Crimea, the overwhelming majority of residents wanted reunification with Russia. Donbass is not a strategic point, and the people there do not have such a powerful majority, willing to reunite with Russia, as in Crimea.
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs 7 February 2021 18: 15
          +2
          In Donbass, lies about the people. Almost all. Well, except for the lost gesheft.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 57
            +17
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            In Donbass, lies about the people. Almost all. Well, except for the lost gesheft.

            have you read the latest sociology on the LDNR? If you read, give the results. I read
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 7 February 2021 20: 16
              +3
              Do you believe that? You are smart people, and you believe everything? Or maybe ask the residents? Out of a hundred and two, three are against. This is for me personally. Well, if some local stubborn one pulls up now, keep your ears wider. wink
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2021 20: 20
            +6
            Quote: Alex Nevs
            In Donbass, lies about the people. Almost all. Well, except for the lost gesheft.

            Dear, I have good friends in Yasinovataya. In a referendum, they voted for secession from Ukraine. And now - we agree back, if only they did not shoot. Yes, not all of them, but many. Alas. The euphoria has passed.
            1. Alex Nevs
              Alex Nevs 8 February 2021 12: 29
              +2
              Yes. On the front end I agree. There because of the shelling of difficulty. BUT!!! Yasinovataya herself only hears very loudly. Every day we communicate with Yasinovataya, I have "relatives" there. And further from the front end ... as I said above. The front end is the problem.
              ps I will add, as a resident of LDNR, people no longer even think about returning (only in a nightmare) while watching the collapse of the outskirts. Although not everything is simple here, but in no way back!
        2. 113262a
          113262a 7 February 2021 18: 55
          +7
          And who told you about the MOST residents in Crimea? And about the MINORITY with us? Did you count it yourself? And the queues for referendums and elections are kilometer long, or did RFTV not show you? Elections, in the November Dubar, when people were explained that it is NECESSARY, and will be like in the Crimea! And the second elections, and again with the same enticement! In Crimea, they just announced on TV, everyone, you are RUSSIAN, please come for your passports. And no shelling, no bursts in the cold, no population census, every time, it is necessary! The miners got you all wrong))
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2021 21: 00
            -1
            Quote: 113262
            And who told you about the MOST residents in Crimea? And about the MINORITY with us?

            First, I did not say that there is no majority in the Donbas for reunification. It is and is undeniable. But ... In the Donbass, the difference between the pros and cons is negligible in comparison with the Crimea. This is what I was talking about.
      3. Mikle2000
        Mikle2000 7 February 2021 18: 11
        -5
        People were not saved. There is a mixture of pagan ideas about sacred origins and a stubborn desire to keep a military base.
      4. aars
        aars 7 February 2021 18: 40
        +10
        No one has ever thought or is thinking about "saving people."
        In Crimea, the issue was in the military base, in Novorossiysk for decades, a full replacement was not created.
        Donbass is also needed and will be supported in the future, but only as a means of putting pressure on Ukraine, creating threat and tension.
        Figuratively - like a stake in one place among the Ukrainians.
        At the same time, people should not relax, on the contrary, they should be angry and hungry, always ready to go to the Bandera.
        Russia never intended to create happiness for them out of the blue.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 59
          +20
          Quote: aars
          In Crimea, the issue was in the military base, in Novorossiysk for decades, a full replacement was not created.

          you are wrong, the base in Novorossiysk was almost ready. Now explain to me the difference between the base in Sevastopol and in Nikolaev with Sumy or Kharkov?
        2. Vladimir Kiev
          Vladimir Kiev 8 February 2021 23: 01
          +3
          Well, at least one person on the site thinks sensibly!
          The LDNR is needed by the Russian Federation as a hotbed of tension and an instrument of pressure on Ukraine.
          People .... What are you talking about ??! The authorities of the Russian Federation and their citizens, in general, do not care.
      5. Yuri Tverdokhleb
        Yuri Tverdokhleb 7 February 2021 19: 52
        +1
        Sergey pay attention to the number of minuses, and not only your views. What do you think this means?
        1. Poetry
          Poetry 7 February 2021 19: 58
          +2
          This does not mean anything good, Yura. I was on this site 10 years ago, it was not like that. The mood is different. Sucks, brother.
          1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
            Yuri Tverdokhleb 7 February 2021 20: 23
            +1
            So yes, we must hold on. Will break out of Zaporozhye!
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 52
      +18
      Quote: lexus
      Political will ", or rather its absence, as it turned out, is afraid of finger threats from across the ocean and visits of European" partners "with portfolios full of unpleasant" surprises ".

      do not agree. At this stage, the person is not afraid of anything except his friends. As Berezovsky warned: "your dangers in the future are from your friends." This time has come
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 7 February 2021 20: 15
        +5
        Actually, it is through them that fear from the outside is transmitted to the "face". Just "friends" are very thoroughly and competently plucked by "dear" partners. Usmanov, Deripaska, Vekselberg, Abramovich and others have already felt "rapid breathing in the back of the head."
  2. strannik1985
    strannik1985 7 February 2021 15: 30
    +2
    I sympathize with the residents of Donbass, but I don't want to send the RF Armed Forces against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. To "integrate" it is necessary to end the conflict, at the moment 404 of this not willing, i.e. in order to end the sluggish positional war, it is necessary to inflict a military defeat on the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A rhetorical question - is the People's Militia of the LDNR capable of doing this independently?
    1. 210ox
      210ox 7 February 2021 15: 58
      +7
      NM is not capable of this. But the Kremlin can make a political decision about the sovereignty of the LPR and their protection. Yes, we have to fight. But there is no other way out.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 7 February 2021 16: 28
        +1
        But the Kremlin can

        In the current situation - no, we will have to break with Europe, in 1999 and 2008 it was different, the enemy attacked himself.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 7 February 2021 16: 55
          +1
          We'll have to break with Europe .... And what keeps us there? Is this Europe? Standing under a tree and flowing around when they shit on you from above?
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 7 February 2021 17: 13
            +3
            We'll have to break with Europe ...

            Currency and technology, everything is as usual. The RF is not the USSR, it cannot do everything by itself, and the Union could not do everything. For example, thermal imagers on the T-90 are originally from France.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 7 February 2021 17: 45
              +1
              Foreign currency inflows are declining. What about thermal imagers? France no longer supplies them. And yet, it pisses me off that the elementary equipment that could be made in Voronezh or Belgorod is being brought from Germany. Equipment for processing seeds. There is no high technology or whatever there is space, but no.
              1. strannik1985
                strannik1985 7 February 2021 17: 58
                +1
                Foreign currency inflows are declining.

                You do not understand, in the Russian Federation there is a market economy, in order to print rubles, you need a surplus product, you have to sell something, oil and gas to Europe, no sales - less money.
                This is an example, machines, medicines, food ... a bunch of everything.
                1. 210ox
                  210ox 7 February 2021 18: 53
                  +1
                  That is, we cannot sell for ourselves? It is necessary for the sake of the currency to go to bed .... This is called prostitution. I understand that my statements are populist, not related to high politics ... But there are principles that I cannot do.
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 7 February 2021 19: 34
                    +2
                    This is called a market economy, where will we go to the volumes of oil and gas sold abroad? Less revenue means less money for the budget, which means for education, medicine, the army, etc.
                    1. nickname7
                      nickname7 13 February 2021 12: 13
                      0
                      This is called a market economy, where will we put the volumes of oil and gas sold abroad

                      According to you, dollars received for oil go inside the Russian Federation, salaries are paid with dollars, the population pays with them in stores, according to your dollar the unit of account in Russia?
                      Where does the West get these dollars?
                    2. strannik1985
                      strannik1985 13 February 2021 13: 17
                      0
                      According to your dollars

                      No, dollars are exchanged for rubles at the rate and then as you wrote. The conditional "West", or rather a number of countries, has the ability to stimulate the economy not market methods, the most striking example is Japan.
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 08
                  +21
                  Quote: 210ox
                  This is called prostitution.

                  you have very accurately assessed the current political situation. hi
                  Is it possible to evaluate Chubais differently in the role of a decision maker in the West? After all, they will decide to the detriment of the country's interests. It's so easy in the West that no one gives it
          2. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs 7 February 2021 18: 18
            +2
            Yes, everyone can. Just not enough money.
        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 7 February 2021 17: 58
          +7
          Quote: 210ox
          We'll have to break with Europe .... And what keeps us there? Is this Europe? Standing under a tree and flowing around when they shit on you from above?

          It doesn't hold us, but they have everything there.
        3. aars
          aars 7 February 2021 18: 42
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          And what keeps us there?
          We are nothing.
          But our, Russian officials will never give up Courchevel and the Cote d'Azur.
    2. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 7 February 2021 16: 41
      +16
      Once upon a time (now it seems that a very, very long time ago, an eternity passed and it happened in some other life) in 2014, I, and many in Ukraine, were VERY inspired by the turmoil that had begun in Donbass, were at a "low start", waiting for the start of the offensive and the green rocket to connect. And the slogans were wonderful: "Russia does not abandon her!" Then it seemed that Donbass would become a modern "Stalingrad-Kursk battle"! And that was all the prerequisites. ... And then the Supreme ... hung up. And all the sycophants rushed to praise His wisdom. And then all the inhabitants of Ukraine began to be accused of parasitism and laziness. Including those who went to rallies, stood at anti-Maidans ...

      SEVEN YEARS have almost passed, but pain and bitterness have not.
  3. dSK
    dSK 7 February 2021 16: 05
    -4
    Tsereushniki work systematically, they thwarted the unification of the LPR and the DPR and not only. In response, some emotions ...
    Russia will not accept Donbas for the next decade.
    There is a proven scheme - recognition of sovereignty (Abkhazia, South Ossetia), bilateral agreements and assistance ...
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 7 February 2021 16: 20
      0
      There, the conflict has died down and the Russian peacekeepers are the guarantors of immunity. Tie lover tried it and got it in the neck.
      1. dSK
        dSK 7 February 2021 16: 26
        +2
        Quote: strannik1985
        Russian peacekeepers ...
        Unfortunately, they are not there.
        If they were in Donbas, the shelling would have stopped long ago ...
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 7 February 2021 16: 38
          0
          And they will not appear until both sides want it.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 13
      +22
      Quote: dsk
      Tsereushniki work systematically, they thwarted the unification of the LPR and the DPR and not only.

      those. the CIA-shniki are to blame for the strife between the LPR and the DPR? If in the house laughing no water, then ....
      Back on June 24, 2014, the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics announced their decision to unite into a confederate state - the Union of People's Republics, Novorossia.
      On May 8, 2015, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DPR, Alexander Kofman, announced that the “Novorossiya project” was closed for an indefinite period. A similar statement was made by the speaker of the parliament of Novorossia, Oleg Tsarev, clarifying that the project was "frozen" due to the fact that the creation of Novorossia is not provided for by the Minsk agreements signed by the leadership of the DPR and LPR with Ukraine.
      In January 2017, the head of the DPR, Alexander Zakharchenko, confirmed that both republics were not ready for unification due to the Minsk agreements.
      Who prepared the Minsk agreements and who insists on their implementation in that form?
  4. New Year day
    New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 01
    +20
    Quote: strannik1985
    A rhetorical question - is the People's Militia of the LDNR capable of doing this independently?

    the answer is obvious - no.
    Quote: strannik1985
    to send the RF Armed Forces against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I don't want to.

    and cannot. too expensive a price will be in human resources and in the economy
  5. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2021 20: 32
    0
    [quote = strannik1985

    I sympathize with the residents of Donbass, but I don't want to send the RF Armed Forces against the Armed Forces of Ukraine. [/ quote]
    It's not about yours, I don't want to. The point is the unwillingness to get a war between Russians and Ukrainians. The civil war in Donbass is one thing, and the war between Ukraine and Russia is quite another thing. The shed blood will remain in the memory of the people, both for those and for those, for centuries. Besides, the "partners" are just waiting for that. There is no need to help them in the fight against us.
    1. 113262a
      113262a 7 February 2021 22: 24
      +4
      Those who have received passports of the Russian Federation will sooner or later leave here! Yes, they will drop everything and leave! Because of the hopelessness. Who will condemn? I propose to those who condemn a three-ruble exchange at the Cup in Pervomaisk, where at 15 two entrances formed together with the sleeping tenants from a direct hit from a tank PF. Something in the BEAUTIFUL FAR .. From the windows, a beautiful view of the GOLDEN checkpoint. Does anybody want? But people live, children grow up.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 7 February 2021 19: 50
    +24
    Quote: Poetiszaugla
    We need the political will of the first person in the Russian Federation, otherwise everything will remain just words.

    the political will of this person is aimed at preserving this person personally. This person abandoned the economy for a very long time. All our well-being was associated with high oil prices, not with the level of economic thinking of its nominees
  • Gato
    Gato 7 February 2021 15: 13
    +6
    Cheto is all dull, like a water picture of banknotes. On the one hand, support for the Minsk agreements, i.e. return of LDNR to Ukraine - on the other hand, perplexity
    looking at the anti-Russian and provocative rhetoric of the DPR Ministry of Information
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 7 February 2021 15: 21
      +11
      "To a friend and his friends" loot hard-earned, seized in the camp of the enemy the "partners" are sorry. They can, after all, commandeer, despite the previous "merits" and loyalty to the course.
  • Lexus
    Lexus 7 February 2021 15: 14
    +12
    Another bunch of lovers to wag their tongues at the ambiguous state expense.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 14
      +20
      Quote: lexus
      at a multi-valued government expense.

      no government money, there is taxpayer money
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 7 February 2021 20: 25
        +5
        There are also royalties for the use of natural resources, which are spent for other purposes.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 February 2021 15: 16
    +1
    was the whole idea worth the candle, then the answer is obvious - it was
    What year are we waiting for the transition from words to deeds!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 7 February 2021 15: 36
      +12
      Vladimir hi,
      when imperfections are taken up, it always ends with imperfections.
      1. Sasha1979
        Sasha1979 7 February 2021 15: 55
        +4
        As one professor at the medical institute said: I have been here for 30 years, every year unfinished children come and bring unfinished course students ...
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 7 February 2021 15: 32
    +6
    Even the most "sacred" "doctrines" will not help the people of Donbass and Transnistria in any way. Why this circus of "high" guests? Any "strange war" ends with the defeat of "cunning plans".
    Well, the Internet attributes more scandalous statements to Margarita Simonovna. She, like Zhirinovsky, can "broadcast" a lot of things.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 16
      +19
      Quote: samarin1969
      Well, and the Internet attributes more scandalous statements to Margarita Simonovna

      more precisely Karaulov, no one characterized her opus laughing
  • Magnat231
    Magnat231 7 February 2021 15: 42
    -4
    Good day!!! Probably it can become part of Russia, but the sanctions will be very serious, and many are ready to endure, not whine ?. I think that in a year or two the bazaars will begin as if, but it is necessary, and for what, we would live in peace, it's like with the Crimea, look, when they began to howl, there are few people who would tolerate this, few
  • anjey
    anjey 7 February 2021 15: 43
    +3
    The Russian government is patiently in its hope that nationalists will be reinforced in Ukraine and they will take a peaceful course towards normal life. Hope dies last. I'm not against Ukrainian culture and ordinary Ukrainians themselves, there were friends in Western Ukraine, where I myself was once, all the Evil in militant Ukrainian nationalism, nurtured at one time and still supported by the West, to fight against Russian influence. And to annex the LDNR, a good moral trigger and the will of the leaders are needed. The oligarchs of our time are far from the suffering of the common people, they are pragmatic about such geopolitical decisions.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 18
      +20
      Quote: anjey
      The Russian government is patiently hoping that Ukraine will rein in nationalists and take a peaceful course towards normalcy

      you overestimate our government. What were the objective messages for this? What could they, these promises, be based on? In my opinion, there were simply none of those. Moreover, the reaction is exactly the opposite and unfavorable for us.
      1. anjey
        anjey 7 February 2021 21: 06
        -1
        I do not think that the government does not have good analysts in geopolitics and strategic thinking, if that was the case, we (the state) would have collapsed like a house of cards long ago.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 7 February 2021 15: 51
    +2
    Probably, the residents of Donetsk are waiting for the arrival of industrialists and bankers of Russia, and hot incendiary speeches. They have already heard enough of them.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 7 February 2021 16: 32
    0
    Quote: Poetiszaugla
    I will never understand this ... We saved the people in Crimea. And what about the people of Donbass, "did not come out with a snout"? What's the difference? Seven troubles, one answer.

    Crimea was the prize for which the Americans invested in rocking the situation in Ukraine and organized two Maidans.
    But the population of Crimea definitely did not want this, and was choked with hostility already as part of "neutral Ukraine", therefore, they strongly opposed it.
    Not to take Crimea for oneself after that would be such a treacherous step that where is Viskuli (a place in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, who does not know) ...
    I had to decide through the "undesirable" of our elite, including the top one. And the further - the more it becomes impossible to give Crimea away for any of our rulers, whether he is not remembered by nightfall, bulk or, there, one secular lioness with a claim to intellectuality. Because for this - they will demolish, and they will not let you run away.
    But for Novorossiya, there was not enough ... no, not gas, but just the interests of Gazprom came into conflict, and other "especially gifted". After all, the ruler was then given carte blanche, from the support of the people, strongly over 90%, to the permission of the Federation Council to use the Armed Forces abroad.
    But ... the night cuckoos - grefs, curls (we don't take nabiulins - puppets have average intelligence, they don't have subjectivity), millers, potanins and Deripaska - convinced that it wouldn't be necessary, otherwise ...
    Although, some of them still received their "otherwise", the rest will still receive, I have no doubt. That is, such a policy that neither security nor freedom in the end.
    Or, if otherwise, having made the wrong choice between massacre and shame, we get both.
    By the way, almost all young fighters have such a choice when they get into a military collective, and the options look the same. And then they blame "bullying". With the same success, you can blame the wolf for the fact that he strives to devour everyone.
    1. Alex Nevs
      Alex Nevs 7 February 2021 18: 25
      -2
      The most important educator of the people is TIME. You have to go through a lot in order to understand exactly and make a choice. And they chose the "windbag" from the stage. And Yeon took it and threw the people insolently. Bachyly eyes sho kupuvali. If only not a waltzman. We thought he would "break" it, but then it turned out that he liked that Waltzman's toy ... well, which is pianist. So he got hooked on that drug ... specifically.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 20
      +17
      Quote: faterdom
      After all, the ruler was then given carte blanche, from the support of the people, strongly over 90%, to the permission of the Federation Council to use the Armed Forces abroad.

      that's for sure, but how stupid it is
  • Wertgan
    Wertgan 7 February 2021 16: 34
    -6
    Let's imagine that in the middle of the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet army, having liberated Donbass, would have stopped and began the process of an armistice with Hitler's Germany. Have you presented? And what is the conclusion? Very simple - such a turn of events is impossible! It is also now impossible to liberate Donbass, leaving the rest of the territory captured by the results of the Cold War to the enemy. Impossible! The problem of Donbass has no solution outside the context of the further liberation struggle. Therefore, it has not been resolved to date. To a large extent, this is facilitated by the mood of the Donbass residents, who do not understand that they do not really need Russia, but Ukraine. Ukraine in a single fatherland. Let's remember: The enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 22
      +22
      Quote: WertGan
      in the middle of the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet army, having liberated Donbass, would have stopped and began the process of an armistice with Hitler's Germany.

      want to compare the war in the Donbass with the Second World War? WWII was with foreign invaders, the war in 2014 was civil
      Quote: WertGan
      Submitted?
      1. Wertgan
        Wertgan 9 February 2021 10: 45
        0
        We are talking about defeat in the Cold War, as a result of which the country lost its ancestral territories - Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, part of the Caucasus. That's about it. The events of 2014 are just a local liberation operation
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 7 February 2021 16: 39
    +5
    "RT editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan, actor and director Tigran Keosayan" - in principle, the presence of these people in the list of visitors makes the event near-zero value.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 7 February 2021 16: 45
    +2
    Labuda is everything. Certain circles of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, and the LDNR, benefit from the current situation.
    Cuts of state funds, kickbacks, money laundering, double bass and other ways of taking money from states and the population.
    It's not for nothing that they say: "- the war will write off everything."
    And the "Armenian landing" - so this is in "spite" of Ukraine for supporting Azerbaijan in the war with Armenia
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 7 February 2021 17: 31
    -4
    Well, well, the author did not like the forum "Russian Donbass", I understand. But what does he offer himself? How does the author see the development of events that he wants? Or is the main thing for the author - to crow? What can the author propose to the leadership of the LDNR to untie the Donbass knot?
    1. Mikle2000
      Mikle2000 7 February 2021 19: 06
      +3
      Shoot yourself? Well, people for 7 years have been eating from the belly, reveling in power, but a happy life for the population has not come and it is already clear that it will not come. And what will persist for the next 77 years?
    2. 113262a
      113262a 7 February 2021 19: 27
      -1
      But there is no need to shift from a sore head to ours! Nothing just happens! It was not for nothing that everything grew together in the Crimea - smart people prepared and carried out everything, not by itself, and Strelkov appeared, well, there are no such accidents that colonels with SOOOOO very polite and prepared people got exactly where it was NECESSARY, and did what NECESSARY ! And in Luhansk everything has grown together BY ITSELF? The fact that the continuation of the scenario was envisaged, no one has any doubts here. But something went wrong! What, and not so, one can only guess. But the fact that Plan B was not prepared is the very same jamb of scriptwriters. And there is no reason to bungle the correct script. The leadership has no incentive. The status quo is still satisfactory. It's bad that not us.
      1. Vlad world
        Vlad world 7 February 2021 20: 56
        -3
        Correct opinion about the beginning of the process in Crimea and so on.
        A certain group of people brought Crimea to the Russian authorities. Refuse - the army is categorically against. I had to take against the wishes of certain people.
        . Donbass is brought up according to the same scenario. But then plugging and Why !!! And look, the Russian lands are returning. And which state has more than half of the Russian lands donated by the Bolsheviks. Nazarbayev as you do not treat him - do not. He's next.
        And what the powers that be are building here is a customs union and another misunderstanding. And Kazakhstan urgently leaves all unions and gets along with our "partners". And their bases instantly appear where - you yourself will guess !!. It will be necessary to immediately return the Russian lands. And this is a war with the West and the money will burn that there are many.
        So the power was replaced - time was lost. And then they don't wave their fists. And Donbass remained suspended. Some were removed physically, others were swept under the plinth. And to quit completely is dangerous, and to take completely is horror. And Kazakhstan, by its behavior, is a threat.
        Here is where my opinion about the situation with Donetsk and Lugansk
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 24
      +15
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Well, well, the author did not like the forum "Russian Donbass", I understand.

      the author just stated what he saw and heard. And nothing more
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      How does the author see the development of events that he wants?

      I'm afraid that even the first person will not answer this question. Antagonistic positions
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 8 February 2021 14: 06
        +2
        Quote: Silvestr
        the author just stated what he saw and heard. And nothing more

        I cannot agree with you. If the author presented it simply as news, then yes, he simply gave information. But he presents information about the forum from a critical point of view. Expresses his dissatisfaction with the results of the forum. And this is no longer "just a statement of what has been seen and heard." This is already a claim to his opinion, which the author, except for criticism, did not voice.
        We all understand that the situation is not very simple. And it is extremely difficult to solve it. And the Donbass issue will be resolved. It seems to me that they are simply waiting for the moment to resolve this issue with the least loss for Russia. Which will definitely be. We understand that even the "allies" will not be delighted with the annexation of Donbass, but then what can we say about the whole world?
    4. German Titov
      German Titov 8 February 2021 10: 29
      0
      So this is "Egorka Podmahov". His business was rooster's "crowed, and then let it not dawn."
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 7 February 2021 18: 06
    +4
    How difficult it is to admit that Russia does not need either the Lndr or its territory or these inhabitants. All you need is a knife in the back of a hated neighbor who dared to build his life without looking back at the great leader. If the leader dies, they will stop funding these strange people and everything will return to normal. Except, of course, the dead
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 7 February 2021 18: 12
    +4
    The respected leader is struggling with the welfare and the poor in Russia, and he does not need a few more millions of the same.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 7 February 2021 20: 25
      +19
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Dear Leader Fights Wealth and Poor in Russia

      and how are the results? We've seen the battle over gasoline prices for 20 years. How is the fuel in Khabarovsk now? How about food prices? There is no need to create mythology.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 7 February 2021 19: 10
    -2
    Quote: Sasha1979
    As one professor at the medical school said: I have been here for 30 years, every year unfinished children come and bring unfinished course students...


    Professor - briefly describe the production process
    making sausages.
    Student- well, uh, uh, it's such a complex, on the one hand
    throw the ram and after a while on the other side
    Take out the sausage stick.
    Professor - Excuse me, how old are you?
    .
    -I see this process differently -18 years ago they threw a stick,
    and after a while they took out a ram.
  • 113262a
    113262a 7 February 2021 19: 12
    +2
    It was not the mountain that gave birth to the mouse! The woman in labor was of a much lower rank! So, a lot of sand, or something. The slogans are good and correct, in our opinion. And Solovyov, Norkin and Babayan are screaming about that every day! BUT! Putin does not watch TV. Probably so as not to get upset. For the echo of the words of Margarita Simonyan, very respected by me, has not yet settled, and Peskov is already in a hurry to break up, got excited, de mother of many children, Donbass Ukraine. Everything, nakfig from it was the people once again troubled. Just raise your head, shsho, again, and a slap on the head for your fright! This is how people perceived it here. Although, in Pridnestrovie are already accustomed, they say .. Then, we still have everything ahead! ((((((
  • Kushka
    Kushka 7 February 2021 19: 37
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    That is, we cannot sell for ourselves? It is necessary for the sake of currency to go under .... This is called prostitution. I understand that my statements are populist, not related to high politics ... But there are principles that cannot be compromised.


    Even the USSR, with its potential, has always been in dire need of currency.
    Built oil pipelines, gas pipelines - Minister of Foreign Trade
    Patolichev twice GST, 11 Orders of Lenin! - in all western holes
    knocked. In the country, every dollar went into business.
    AvtoVAZ, for example, it was generally said - earn currency
    themselves, if we talk about further development.
    Another thing is where the currency from the country goes - for equipment, technology
    or on yachts and Courchevels, over the hill. Then this gasterbaterstvo-
    make money and get better.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 7 February 2021 19: 50
    +4
    The events of spring 2014 served exclusively the domestic Russian political agenda. According to the principle - we give you something that has long been dreamed of in an imperial way, you give us an off-scale rating. In addition to the rating, there is no longer any meaning behind all this. Russian, industrial, integration, anti-Western, imperial, land-collecting - all these are just fine words that in reality are not backed up by a coherent strategy. And words that are not supported by constant deeds have no value at all.

    The only thing that interests in this whole story within the framework of the current regime is whether any actions similar to those that have already been carried out will continue to be carried out. After all, if they do, then they can again be carried out solely because of the rating and for the sake of feeding the imperial illusions and for nothing else.
  • skobars
    skobars 7 February 2021 21: 26
    -4
    Let's wait a bit. Now Stream 2 will be launched, the feeding trough from ukrov will be turned off (Russian gas) and there will come a paradise in Ukraine, which they have long dreamed of (their rulers are more precise). And when the population really has to buy expensive gas from the West, let's hope all the same in Ukraine, a movement will begin in a positive direction.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 7 February 2021 22: 57
    -1
    In the context of relations between the LDNR and the Russian Federation, the following is interesting: they receive passports of the Russian Federation en masse, therefore, the citizenship of the Russian Federation too? And therefore, the Russian Federation should somehow react to shelling and military operations against citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of the LDNR? recognizes the territory of the LDNR-Ukraine, but soon the overwhelming majority of the LDNR will NOT be citizens of Ukraine, and what next? After all, the systematic shelling, and the actions of the RDG of Ukraine are genocide without declaring it, against the population of a foreign country. There is a serious mistake in Minsk2, there were no temporary the framework for the implementation of the agreements by the Ukrainian side, or maybe the hands of the Russian Federation have now been untied. It’s not clear why the OSCE is there? They register a violation of Ukraine’s NOT conduct of hostilities, and that Ukraine is somehow punished for this? It turns out that they work in the interests of Ukraine. The question arises, how long will this last? After all, it is NOT protecting its citizens from death in the future, it will be worse than a crime. After all, Ukraine can carry on genocide with inactive hostilities for a very long time, simply squeeze out gradually by shelling residents from the LPR, with their partial destruction. LPR cannot be compared either qualitatively or quantitatively. weapons, or human resources with Ukraine.
    It is clear that the Russian Federation took a time-out at one time, but for how long? Perhaps it is time to end the duality of the LPNR position in some way?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 04
    -3
    And what exactly does the author need to explain? What have they already forgotten in the LPNR from what they fled?
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 February 2021 08: 23
    -3
    I’m wondering why the existing status of the LPNR does not suit Russia? It is not very clear what to do with a couple of republics torn out of Novorossia, while after the return of Crimea, a situation unambiguously developed when Russia, sooner or later, had to legitimize this return in the eyes of the rest of the world, so, in principle, there were no claims. The most obvious scenario for this is the elimination of Ukraine as a state, and it will happen at least for this, but sooner or later. It will be made as less bloody as possible, and it is not worth waiting for it this year, hardly the next, but it will be. At the same time, the problem of the LDNR in particular and of Novorossia, as an economic region, in general, will be automatically resolved.
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 8 February 2021 21: 46
    0
    Something got sick to me reading all your this dialogue. But it’s so simple - to support the republics, to provide weapons ... I think it will not work for volunteers - a good word is "north wind". Why is this not being done? I think because capitalism - no idea, no ideology ... the main thing is money. The government is lagging behind - people are already ready to create an idea for themselves ... the government is trailing behind with all its oligarchs, their yachts and fears that SWIFT will be turned off. If this continues, then a situation may well arise when the upper classes cannot, but the lower classes do not want to. Of course, I would not want another revolution (too many corpses), but ...
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 8 February 2021 22: 25
    0
    There will be nothing. First, the DNR held a vote in 2014 to enter Russia. Then their leadership flew to Moscow and everything was explained to them in detail. After a month or two, for some reason no one in the DPR remembered that referendum, and all the conversations turned into the format of "autonomy within Ukraine." Consequences Krymnash will hang on the surface for another 40 years. Why should Russia increase this period ??? Now is not 39th year. Well, or not quite
  • iouris
    iouris 8 February 2021 22: 58
    0
    Take it easy. A little more and all questions will be resolved. And by themselves. Deadline.