German MBT Leopard 2 will receive the Israeli Trophy active protection complex

German Tanks Leopard 2 will receive the Israeli Trophy active protection complex ("Meil Ruach" - "windbreaker"). According to the German Defense Ministry, the budget committee of the Bundestag approved the allocation of funds for the purchase of Israeli active protection systems.

The number of purchased systems and delivery times were not disclosed, and the cost of the contract is also unknown. The contract, in addition to the complexes themselves, spare parts for them, ammunition, etc., will include the training of crews and service personnel.

The German military department clarified that installing the KAZ on tanks would require a small upgrade, consisting in the installation of an additional power source. It is noted that the complex will be installed on the Leopard 2A6 tanks of the German Ground Forces. According to known data, 155 Leopard 2A6 tanks, 50 "2A6M" modification vehicles and 20 Leopard 2A7s are currently in the Bundeswehr. 176 combat vehicles are distributed among four tank battalions. The rest of the equipment performs the functions of training and is in the corresponding connections.

The fact that Germany is considering the Trophy active protection complex for installation on its tanks became known at the beginning of 2019. At the same time, the German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmenn announced joint trials of the Trophy system on the Leopard 2 tank with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems.

It was assumed that by 2023 the Bundeswehr will receive the first unit of Leopard 2 tanks with an active protection system installed for use in the NATO Joint Task Force.

Earlier it was reported that the US Department of Defense chose the Israeli active protection system for installation on the M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams tanks of the ground forces and the Marine Corps, the supply of the complexes has been completed.

At the same time, the developers from the Rafael company announced the modernization of the Trophy active protection complex, the modernized version of the complex received an electro-optical all-round view system.

Comments

[mark1]

Our "Arena" is probably no more expensive than "Trophy" and is being finalized almost since Soviet times, it would be high time ...

[Adimius38]

you won't find our arena on combat vehicles in the daytime with fire, the main Russian tank is still the same T-72, which is being upgraded in a small batch to the T-72B3 version, the more modern ones are about 500 modernization vehicles in 2016, but KAZ did not exist and does not have us for decades only talk about KAZ. Having installed a modern KAZ, a probable enemy has many times more chances for the survival of their machines. Or we will be engaged in the old-fashioned hats. Now the age of technology and that massacre in Karabakh clearly shows this. If we lag behind in defense technologies and, most importantly, in their timely deployment in the troops, then all this can backfire in any hypothetical conflict.

[Alex777]

How many tanks does Germany have?
And how much do we have? The Germans feel better.

[hirurg]

Why is our Arena on our tanks in combat units? Is it just stupid?
All body kits are set for specific tasks.

[Alex777]

It is logical. We already have a division into Armata and the rest.
On the Armata, as I understand it, the KAZ will be initially.
On the T-90M Breakthrough, KAZ was also supposed to be installed.
Further (T-90A, T-80BVM, T-72B3M) - as required.

[Adimius38]

if tomorrow war you where will you look for this kit? do not talk nonsense. In order to deliver something, you first need to have it in combat units and in the required supply. If this is not stupid then what will you bet? what body kit? Hastily to cling sandbags?

[hirurg]

Why do you think that they do not exist?
And do you suggest driving around the training grounds with explosives on armor and full ammunition? And transport to the front too?

[Reiter]

Will we fill it with tanks, that is, will we crush them with quantity? Will women give birth to tankers? Oh well.

[Voltsky]

In the sense of zinc coffins?

[ironic]

Well, you have more size.

[figwam]

There were photos from KAZ Arena when tested on the T-72b3 and, unlike the collective west, we do it alone.

[Adimius38]

20 years ago there was also a video of the KAZ ARENA test, then what? something has changed in the troops, as it was not and is not

[Incvizitor]

The owners won't let them buy ours.

[Reiter]

And who prevents our people from buying our Arena? The same owner?

[Maz]

I'm a bastard with you, you think you bought a kaz and put it on a ride on a tank, hit with a cannon, smash with a machine gun? And how about changing the tactics of battle when interacting with the infantry? These are not two fingers on the asphalt, here the military regulations must be changed and supplemented, personnel, officers must be retrained, application textbooks, security measures must be written ... Israel has already felt this, and the Germans are not fools, they understand what kind of hemorrhoids it will be for the Ground Forces ...

[ironic]

And how is Israel? Did you rewrite every step of the motorized infantry brigades with the Trophy? There were many times more changes from the creation of a mixed combined-arms brigade. What is not a post is something in a puddle.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ironic

And how is Israel? Did you rewrite every step of the motorized infantry brigades with the Trophy? There were many times more changes from the creation of a mixed combined-arms brigade. What is not a post is something in a puddle.

Nevertheless, for the first time, I agree with Maz. The infantry really changes their tactics when escorting tanks with KAZ.

[ironic]

Well, I don’t argue with the fact that it changes, but with the fact that Maz presented it as a revolution that almost led to the loss of operative abilities for a long time.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: ironic

Well, I don’t argue with the fact that it changes, but with the fact that Maz presented it as a revolution that almost led to the loss of operative abilities for a long time.

Well, then I misunderstood him.

[Reiter]

That's right, because let the tanks and infantry all die together, when the missile hits the tank, kill the tankers and the infantry and shrapnel at the same time.

[Vladimir_2U]

220 tanks for the whole of Germany? This is possible, the KAZ will not go broke for sure.

[Romario_Argo]

This is possible, the KAZ will not go broke for sure.

KAZ Trophy protects against RPGs and ATGMs of the Fagot type. A cornet with a tandem can already pierce the bochin.
Chrysanthemum will definitely NOT stop, the speed is higher

[ironic]

With the new upgrade, tandems and double shots will not work out so easily, there is even a fast turret rotation algorithm for reacting to two shots with double ammunition from one direction.

[Runway]

Are there any algorithms for reaction to breaks / fragments in the caliber range of 100-152mm?
What will be the state of health of the equipment when the BTT from Kaz gets into the nzo / pzo / ump zone?
The type of battle is combined arms.
KAZ is a necessary thing, but not critical in a full-fledged battle of equals.

[ironic]

Well, you yourself understand that if a large projectile hits a tank, without even breaking through the armor, it causes damage and not small. For a six-inch, I would not even speak, because well, and so it is clear. KAZ is not provided to protect equals from battle, especially since tank battles in the field, an avalanche on an avalanche, most likely, will not occur in the next wars. And in general, there is no unkillable equipment. And what will happen to the tank's cannon if it suddenly runs into some kind of 30-50 mm rapid-fire gun and the barrel is shattered by shells? So why not put guns on tanks now?

[Runway]

The tank is a means of achieving success in battle. Priority target for all weapons. In modern conditions, the tank needs to be in a combat-ready state to reach the line when the KAZ can be useful to the crew.
Against your neighbors, galloping through the valleys and uplands, KAZ is productive. With equal CC - not a fact.
Not for the sake of dispute.

[Romario_Argo]

when KAZ can be useful to the crew

in our case, KAZ Arena-M
has the ability to shoot immediately 2-x ammunition
and also has 3 OPTIONS for detonating protective ammunition - SAUCE
1.heavy fragments from ATGM type Chrysanthemum
2.medium fragments from the Kornet ATGM
3.shock core
2-ammo combo with 0,003 second delay:
Shock core + Heavy fragments - 2-fold guarantee of the defeat of ATGM Chrysanthemum

[Runway]

This is clear. But you make me repeat myself:
- tanks, self-propelled guns, MLRS and towed art. - priority goals at the entire depth of the RUK's work.
- reconnaissance and command control of these targets entails the complex use of weapons (ASP, OTRK, MLRS, barrel, AA) until the moment of entering into battle / entering the base. And in this situation - KAZ is like a dead poultice.
- the European theater of operations assumes a relief with a distance of visual target detection close to the distance of fire - 2-3 km. From this line, the battle formations will begin to spill the means of destruction of the tactical echelon. Including the art of the senior chief. The tank with KAZ is in the affected area of ​​ATGM / TUR / BOPS, AP BMP / BTR, OFS, mines of 82-120mm caliber. The extreme frontier - PTM, RPG. KAZ should work in this zone. The tank in this zone will be at a minimum (attack by vehicles, without dismounting) - 10-12 minutes.
This raises the question of the effectiveness of KAZ.

[ironic]

There will be no more equal battles even between strong opponents. There will be either the use of the tank as a mobile point to destroy the enemy's well-protected or stationary fortified means, or as a defensive point, as a well-protected means. Tanks, of course, will shoot at each other, but we will most likely not see the felling of tank formations in future conflicts, but we will see ATGM fire both from the ground and from the air in all modern armies of the world and not even very much, so it is better for a tank to be well protected and armor and KAZ, both are needed, and the target recognition system, their accompaniment and the speed of reaction to the threat, are not the last. In this respect, the electronics and means of detecting tanks have already gone in the direction of what we see on fighters and combat helicopters.

[ironic]

Today, the concept of limited use of MBT prevails.

[Reiter]

I think 220 tanks with KAZ can be equated to 660 tanks without it.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Reiter

I think 220 tanks with KAZ can be equated to 660 tanks without it.

Optimistic, but the rate of attack will undoubtedly decrease.

[Aaron Zawi]

Well, for now, they seem to be buying a set for running in only in one company. So the contract cannot be called large.

[Emil mamedoff]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Well, for now, they seem to be buying a set for running in only in one company. So the contract cannot be called large.

With you, even small contracts cost a very large amount.) Everything is expensive, although justified) So, you will earn ..)
And the Koreans, too, like your KAZs were going to put on their panthers?

[alex aircraft]

Israel is the United States, now the Germans are setting up kazy, and the country that created them first in the world still does not have combat units.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Alex aircraft

Israel USA, now the Germans are putting on kazy.

The Turks have been forgotten.
Their M60Ts are already all equipped with Turkish KAZ and carry out combat missions in Syria. The second type on the prototype 2A4 \ Altai and several other types of armored vehicles.

[Gavrohs]

What kind of KAZ stands on Turkish tanks? Not Ukrainian?

[OgnennyiKotik]

On М60Т AKKOR PULAT is based on the Ukrainian development "Zaslon-L"
On 2A4 / Altai Aselsan AKKOR own development.
Naturally, they can easily get up on other equipment.

[Mouse]

Has the Bundestag signed for its own helplessness?

[andreykolesov123]

The Zionist bourgeoisie, singing with West German revanchists, will not be able to protect their leopards, tigers and panthers.

[voyaka uh]

Germany finally figured out that without KAZ the rest
armor enhancements are pointless.

[OgnennyiKotik]

KAZ will soon become the standard equipment for armored vehicles. It is strange that no one except the Turks and Israel brought KAZ to serial production. The market for the modernization of armored vehicles is bottomless.

[XXXIII]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

KAZ will soon become the standard equipment for armored vehicles. It is strange that no one except the Turks and Israel brought KAZ to serial production. The market for the modernization of armored vehicles is bottomless.

Well, apparently because those missiles that are shot down by KAZ are already going down in history. And new and not quite, break all KAZ together. That's why apparently they are not in a hurry in this race to protect tanks. The old classics of body kit, armor tilt and alloy work just as well.

[OgnennyiKotik]

They don't go anywhere. Their number only increases. ATGMs are already working on single soldiers.
Ours believe that the price of a tanker's life is cheaper than a KAZ and sell to countries that think the same way.

[_Ugene_]

Well, apparently because those missiles that are shot down by KAZ are already going down in history. And new and not quite, break all KAZ together.

and what kind of ATGM break all the KAZ together?

[ironic]

He means supersonic missiles such as Helfair and Attack.

[_Ugene_]

supersonic missiles of the Helfair and Attack type are perfectly intercepted by KAZ, to overcome it, hypersonic ATGMs are needed

[ironic]

Such information is not known to me. Until now, information has not been leaked anywhere about supersonic ammunition, but maybe I'm wrong.

[poquello]

Quote: _Ugene_

and what kind of ATGM break all the KAZ together?

cornets, more recent

[ironic]

As far as I know, this is only possible if they are supersonic.

[_Ugene_]

can you share links to the confirmed facts of the destruction of a tank with a KAZ using a cornet?

[ironic]

Actually, only supersonic missiles can penetrate the KAZ in the latest versions. Are all the new versions of ATGM supersonic already? When did it happen? Was it 5 minutes ago? Not worse? And where did she work in Karabakh?

[Jacket in stock]

This KAZ has significantly limited capabilities to intercept fast missiles and, moreover, shells. From BOPS and not at all.
But he is.
Ours, apparently, are trying to break the wunderwaffe, so that from everything and at once. In the end, in fact, nothing at all.

[Jacket in stock]

So maybe it's time for ours to calm down and put a simplified version on the tanks.
All the same, the war with NATO, and, accordingly, BOPSs in the forehead, whether there will be, or not. But the RPG and Tou are flying from the barmalees to the full.

[poquello]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Ours, apparently, are trying to break the wunderwaffe, so that from everything and at once. In the end, in fact, nothing at all.

T90 - the tank with the least number of defeats in the Syrian battalion

[Adimius38]

of course there were 1-2 of them? and then they started up after the t-62 and 72 beat there quite a few in urban battles, the main damage, as always, from pturov tou and rpg

[poquello]

Quote: Adimius38

of course there were 1-2 of them? and then they started up after the t-62 and 72 beat there quite a few in urban battles, the main damage, as always, from pturov tou and rpg

they were not there, they are there! about 40 pieces,
about "letting go" - if you think that the tanks are going there, watch the video, since there are many different

[Reiter]

But Azerbaijan lost such a thing in Karabakh, if KAZ would have been on it, it might have remained intact.

[poquello]

Quote: Reiter

But Azerbaijan lost such a thing in Karabakh,

"a bear with a fool's dick broke"

[evgen1221]

So many have already been hung on the tanks - the weight is only added every year to one and the same platform, do they still have goose-goes from gravity?)))

[Ros 56]

Everyone probably saw the Karabakh war and how tanks fired UAVs from the air. And what's the point of your KAZ? You have to think seriously about protecting the tank from different sides.

[voyaka uh]

KAZ Trophy, if you add one more radar and one more "shooter",
will be able to cover the tank from a vertical attack.
The rise in price, of course.

[Reiter]

Rise in price, but KAZ will probably cost less than a tank with a crew, so to speak about the life of three tankers. Probably even it is necessary to consider that not one tank, KAZ can possibly save a tank more than once.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Ros 56

Everyone probably saw the Karabakh war and how tanks fired UAVs from the air. And what's the point of your KAZ? You have to think seriously about protecting the tank from different sides.

Electronic warfare is needed for a modern tank, but this has not yet been heard of.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Can't you hear it? On the last modernization of the Abrams, the electronic warfare system is already installed. Black cylinder on the tower, right.

[ironic]

Even with a UAV, an ATGM does not always strike a tank from top to bottom at such an angle that KAZ does not see it. Depends on the guidance principle. In addition, Alexey correctly wrote that theoretically another radar is required and will see the attack from the upper hemisphere.

[Graz]

the Germans were developing their own Kaz. and then suddenly they bought a Jewish one

[Vadim237]

Yes, they were the first to introduce dynamic protection - only for some reason they still do not have it in service.

[alpamys]

Quote: Graz

the Germans were developing their own Kaz. and then suddenly they bought a Jewish one

and how successful ... watch the video


and buying from Jews is like they ordered the Germans to buy potatoes from them which they process for fertilization immediately

[borberd]

Quote: alpamys

and even how successful .. watch the video .... and buying from Jews is like they ordered the Germans to buy potatoes from them, which they process for fertilizer immediately

I don’t know about kartoha, but this "super successful KAZ from Reinmetal" - even on a commercial shoots off charges of hand grenade launchers at an armored personnel carrier. In only one case, rockets were fired at a stationary wall, and the results were not shown, although in the video you can see that pieces of this wall fly off from this wall. With such a "cool wunderwaffe", the queue for the German KAZ should have already been before the moon, but apparently potential buyers are watching not only commercials with disabled comments.
As for the Israeli Trophy, it has been tested in battle, and has saved more than one tank. The Merkav company, equipped with the first version of the Trophy in 2006 during the war in Lebanon, had no losses.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: alpamys

Quote: Graz

the Germans were developing their own Kaz. and then suddenly they bought a Jewish one

and how successful ... watch the video


and buying from Jews is like they ordered the Germans to buy potatoes from them which they process for fertilization immediately

Nonsense then why write?

[ironic]

And the Russians, radishes and carrots, and all this is immediately processed into Russian Standard vodka and re-exported back to Israel.

[borberd]

Googled about the potatoes that the Germans are obliged to buy ... in short, Google does not know this .

[_Ugene_]

when the whole world is already hanging on their tanks, then our Defense Ministry finally recognizes what is needed and rushes to catch up

[Reiter]

We, as always, like the latter ... everything comes last.

[Castro Ruiz]

I taki da, Kaz ne 100% okhrana, protiv sverkhzvukovikh PTUR i BOPS nespasaet no est na pole boya dostatochno sredstv ot kotorikh spasaet.