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In the Polish press: The reason for the delay in the creation of the MiG-41 interceptor is the break in technological cooperation with Ukraine

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The Polish media published a material in which a kind of assessment is made of statements about the creation of a promising long-range interceptor MiG-41 within the framework of the PAK DP project. Polish columnist Grzegorz Janiszewski decided to share his thoughts on this matter.


His material points to the impressive sounded characteristics of a promising interceptor being developed for the Russian Aerospace Forces, but adds that so far all this is only on paper.
From an article in Do Rzeczy:

Indeed, on paper, the parameters of a combat vehicle look impressive. The speed is about 4,3, or even Mach 5, the practical ceiling is 50 kilometers, and the range is about 11 thousand kilometers. All this makes it difficult to compare it with currently used fighters. The MiG-41 could operate “at the edge of space,” attacking enemy satellites orbiting the Earth in low orbits, and the high speed and long range would help protect Russia's vast airspace and even allow it to control the skies over the Arctic.

Grzegorz Janiszki notes that "an unmanned version of this interceptor was also announced in Russia."

At the same time, the Polish observer notes that information about the developments of the PAK DP is not new: the first statements on this matter were made in 2013.

Polish author:

Work on the MiG-41 is going very slowly. As in the case with the pompously announced concept of the new Russian strategic bomber of the PAK DA project in 2009.

According to Yanishsky, there are several reasons for "delaying the creation of the MiG-41". At the same time, the Polish author sees one of the main reasons as "the break in technological cooperation with Ukraine and the ensuing economic crisis." Yanishevsky argues that it is precisely because of the break in cooperation with Ukrainian companies that Russia "has problems with the creation of the MiG-41, and specifically - the creation of an aircraft engine of suitable parameters."

It is not entirely clear what problems with engines for the interceptor after the severing of ties with Ukraine are mentioned in the Polish press, given the fact that the engines, for example, for the MiG-31 - D-30F6 - were designed in Perm.

To amplify the effect that Mr. Janiszewski is trying to achieve in his article, he adds:

The presence of such aircraft as the MiG-31 or Tu-160 was one of the hallmarks of a world power. But now only memories remain from those times, and therefore we have to rely on the modernization of what has already been built.

But if Russia, according to the Polish author, has no signs of a world power, then why do the Polish authorities constantly declare about some kind of Russian threat? ..
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    1. Pereira
      Pereira 4 February 2021 13: 55
      +32
      Not understood. Poles will always write heresy. When they look in the direction of Russia, their brains turn off.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 February 2021 14: 01
        +21
        Quote: Pereira
        their brains are turned off.

        Terry Russophobia turns on automatically!
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 4 February 2021 14: 03
          +25
          This is a carefully hidden inferiority complex.
          The Pole does not admit this even under torture. But innate reflexes give out with the head.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 4 February 2021 14: 05
            +5
            Quote: Pereira
            inferiority complex

            This is so .... Yes, and you can earn a couple of zlotys on an entoy article ...
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 4 February 2021 15: 07
              +4
              But now only memories remain from those times (C) -very applicable to Poland!
              Poles do not release balls about the past, about "Poland from sea to sea" and the Polish gentry in Moscow, and this resentment projects her hidden imperial ambitions onto Russia. And yet, between the lines slips his joy that Russia and Ukraine, so far - in a quarrel. Such, civil strife, has already been in the history of the Russian state, as well as several redistributions of the territory of Poland, apparently, he, the Pole, is genetically predisposed to resentment against Russia hi
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 4 February 2021 22: 16
                +4
                Poles, of course, are ubiquitous iksperds. But nobody understands what such "powerful technological" Ukraine has, what Russia does not have! laughing laughing laughing
                1. mu1972
                  mu1972 8 February 2021 13: 55
                  +1
                  like what? and the most powerful tanks? and breakthrough artillery systems? !!!! and the latest rocket launchers? !!! the truth is also only on paper and in heads under pans!))
            2. Achilles
              Achilles 4 February 2021 18: 02
              +1
              If you think about it, the parameters of the combat vehicle look really impressive, when they create such a machine, it will be imba
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 4 February 2021 14: 35
            +8
            Quote: Pereira
            Not understood. Poles will always write heresy. When they look in the direction of Russia, their brains turn off.

            Quote: Pereira
            This is a carefully hidden inferiority complex.

            I don't understand - what are they with our MiGs? Whether they are being developed or not. Produced or not produced ... What difference does it make to them? They beg from America "F -..." of different names - well, let them beg further. They can't fly on the MiG-41.

            If only to yap "Everything is bad in Russia." And to fasten the Great Outskirts here, how we "bend" without it - quite a song ... They are doing well with the Outskirts - so let them go further beyond America with an outstretched hand and inflate their cheeks more ... Or wider? ... I know I was a bad student at school - they know ...
            1. orionvitt
              orionvitt 4 February 2021 16: 03
              +6
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              yet to fasten the Great Outskirts here, as we "bend" without it - quite a song ...

              Polish "expert", frank blunt cutter. An article in the style of "elderberry in the garden, and uncle in Kiev". If fifteen years ago, I agree, there was technological cooperation with Ukraine in the field of military technology, solely because of the huge backlog and great inertia laid down by the "bloody bloody Bolsheviks." But in our time, where is Ukraine, and where is technology, these are two opposites, incompatible with each other. laughing This is what life-giving democracy does.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 4 February 2021 16: 09
          +9
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Pereira
          their brains are turned off.

          Terry Russophobia turns on automatically!

          The ordinary illiteracy of the author from Poland. Even during the Soviet era, Ukraine had nothing to do with engines for military aviation (Mig-31, Mig-29, Su-27, Tu-160), so even if relations with Ukraine were good, nobody I would not have allowed me to develop engines for the MiG-41. Ukraine does not have such competencies. Ukraine in the USSR made engines only for transport aircraft and helicopters (Motor Sich) and surface ships (Zorya-Mashproekt). Engines for fighters, attack aircraft, interceptors and DA bombers in the Union were designed and produced on the territory of the RSFSR. Poles simply show their illiteracy.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 4 February 2021 17: 59
            +3
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Poles just show their illiteracy

            For the Poles it is completely rolling.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 4 February 2021 20: 15
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Poles just show their illiteracy
              For the Poles it is completely rolling.

              They do not spare efforts to brainwash their inhabitants, which they did even during the Soviet Union - a film about the crash of a Kachinsky plane is worth something, but people hawk: once collided - it's just a disaster
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 4 February 2021 20: 12
            +3
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Poles just show their ...
            ... venality. By the way amers should not forget about it.
            In general, the opinion from Poland about the Russian Federation is rubbish by definition
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        4. Orca
          Orca 6 February 2021 07: 21
          +1
          Terry Russophobia is usually turned off automatically. Sometimes with a butt, and often after a short queue, they scatter into the air like cockroaches through the cracks.
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 4 February 2021 14: 11
        +4
        When they look in the direction of Russia, their brains turn off.

        Out of fear. wink
      3. URAL72
        URAL72 4 February 2021 14: 57
        +1
        Do we have few such "experts"? The boy earns our daily bread, why are you so strict?
      4. antivirus
        antivirus 4 February 2021 15: 29
        +4
        sometimes it is more useful to watch "Let's Get Married" ... than to read "Polish experts"
      5. keeper03
        keeper03 4 February 2021 15: 37
        +1
        Let them amuse themselves with fakeism, because they tried so hard together with NATO to destroy our relations! yes soldier
  2. ccsr
    ccsr 4 February 2021 13: 23
    +16
    At the same time, one of the main reasons, the Polish author sees "a break in technological cooperation with Ukraine and the ensuing economic crisis."

    Nonsense - in this area of ​​armament development, we stopped cooperation with Ukraine back in the nineties. If something could be ordered there for a new plane, which I strongly doubt, then something of secondary importance, and even then that they somehow paid us for energy resources. I consider the article by the Polish author to be false and propagandistic - in reality, everything is completely different when creating the latest weapons in Russia.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 4 February 2021 13: 57
      +9
      Delirium is not delusion, but two goals have been achieved:
      1. The insignificance of Russia is shown
      2. The greatness of Ukraine is shown.
      The goal of the article has been achieved.
      The Poles who read the article will never know that this is nonsense. For next time they will read exactly the same article.
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  3. Mouse
    Mouse 4 February 2021 13: 24
    0
    Indeed, on paper, the parameters of a combat vehicle look impressive.

    Well, how not to say?
    forget about the ravines ... wassat
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2021 13: 27
    0
    A strange expert. Apparently, he also translated the data by a google translator, without going into the nuances. And then I decided to concoct an article "hot".
    1. kit88
      kit88 4 February 2021 13: 41
      +15
      Yeah. And I drew information from a campaign on Yandex-Zen. Where local iksperdy explained everything to him and put a final point in this matter. laughing
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 4 February 2021 14: 44
        +3
        Quote: kit88
        Yeah. And I drew information from a campaign on Yandex-Zen. Where local iksperdy explained everything to him and put a final point in this matter. laughing

        Well, on Zen experts are SUCH experts! ... fellow Either they teach to fry fried eggs with an article with ten pictures and videos, or a review of the "Armata" with a full analysis of the performance characteristics and features of combat use - 18 lines of text with one photo. For some reason "Leopard". laughing
        1. kit88
          kit88 4 February 2021 15: 42
          +9
          Moreover, one and the same author. laughing
  5. iouris
    iouris 4 February 2021 13: 29
    -2
    The reason is that the system has been destroyed, and the properties of the system are not equal to the properties of the elements of the system (the system is much more powerful). We can repeat.
  6. CARLSON
    CARLSON 4 February 2021 13: 29
    +8
    Psheki ... Let themselves at least design a "corn plant" and launch it into production.
    And then, apart from paper airplanes, they have not done anything yet, but "ANALYZERS" on all issues, there is nowhere to go
  7. yehat2
    yehat2 4 February 2021 13: 33
    +8
    the Pole himself does not know what he is writing.
    The same Mriya was only partially performed in Ukraine; hundreds of groups throughout the union were involved in the creation of this aircraft. I would even say that the Ukrainians essentially made part of the draft design, general design and screwdriver assembly, and everything else was different, including the financing of the work.
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  9. cniza
    cniza 4 February 2021 13: 35
    +4
    But if Russia, according to the Polish author, has no signs of a world power, then why do the Polish authorities constantly declare about some kind of Russian threat? ..


    But because he understands, lies and is afraid ...
    1. not main
      not main 4 February 2021 22: 04
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      But if Russia, according to the Polish author, has no signs of a world power, then why do the Polish authorities constantly declare about some kind of Russian threat? ..


      But because he understands, lies and is afraid ...

      In my opinion, you are lying in the wrong letter! More suitable with, not in.
  10. Serpet
    Serpet 4 February 2021 13: 35
    +21
    Polish author signed his own ignorance laughing
  11. ZVS
    ZVS 4 February 2021 13: 35
    +9
    Well, the Poles never differed in intelligence. Their stupidity, as in Ukraine, has become a trend.
  12. askort154
    askort154 4 February 2021 13: 36
    +7
    Everything is clear with this Polish "observer". I drank vodka with a Ukrainian working on his farm, and he
    dedicated it - about the problems of Russia without Ukraine. But that's why VO gives us "the opinions of such Polish
    "reviewers" ?! No.
  13. Alien From
    Alien From 4 February 2021 13: 39
    +2
    The smell of Poles again ...
  14. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 4 February 2021 13: 45
    +4
    why do the Polish authorities constantly declare about a certain Russian threat? ..

    because they conducted military exercises, the conclusion is that the entire Polish army will cease to exist in 5 days
  15. zenion
    zenion 4 February 2021 13: 48
    +4
    Perm is just a stone's throw from Ukraine. If you go by train to the west, then you can get there in a day. Why does Ukraine need aircraft engines, if you can earn more on fringed panties?
  16. mark1
    mark1 4 February 2021 13: 52
    +3
    reasons for "delaying the creation of the MiG-41"

    How does the pan know the timing?
    The presence of such aircraft as the MiG-31 or Tu-160 was one of the hallmarks of a world power.

    Well, we have signs of a world power, but what kind of formation does Poland have?
    1. Poetry
      Poetry 4 February 2021 14: 12
      +3
      Poland is a semi-sovereign formation of a purulent type, whose main task is to lick the anus of the American owner. It would be better to focus on the construction of Fort Biden.
  17. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 4 February 2021 13: 53
    +2
    And they all know, psheki, but they can not do anything.
  18. Poetry
    Poetry 4 February 2021 13: 54
    0
    Poland is not an aviation power at all. Therefore, do not care what this pseudo-expert blathers.
  19. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 4 February 2021 14: 08
    +2
    In the Polish press: The reason for the delay in the creation of the MiG-41 interceptor is the break in technological cooperation with Ukraine

    "At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is bad."
  20. bar
    bar 4 February 2021 14: 09
    +4
    precisely because of the break in cooperation with Ukrainian companies, Russia "has problems with the creation of the MiG-41, and specifically - the creation of an aircraft engine of suitable parameters"

    I would clarify a little. The reason for the problems with the creation of the engine is the collapse of the USSR, in which aircraft engine building was concentrated in Ukraine. And it makes no sense to cooperate with modern Ukraine, they have successfully pumped the former Soviet engine building. sad
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 4 February 2021 16: 07
      +1
      Ukraine had nothing to do with engines for military aviation (Mig-31, Mig-29, Su-27, Tu-160), so even if relations with Ukraine were good, no one would have allowed it to develop engines for the Mig-41 ... Ukraine does not have such competencies. Ukraine in the USSR made engines only for transport aircraft and helicopters (Motor Sich) and surface ships (Zorya-Mashproekt). Engines for fighters, attack aircraft, interceptors and bombing raids DA in the Union were designed and produced on the territory of the RSFSR. Poles simply show their illiteracy.
  21. evgen1221
    evgen1221 4 February 2021 14: 12
    +1
    Hopefully pollsko're coming out of the Baltic press for a long time no one takes seriously?
  22. venik
    venik 4 February 2021 14: 16
    0
    "...According to Yanishsky, (one of the main) reasons for "delaying the creation of the MiG-41" - the Polish author sees "a break in technological cooperation with Ukraine ..."
    ========
    What kind of "sofa experts" will not give birth to the Polish land ... lol
  23. Last centurion
    Last centurion 4 February 2021 14: 22
    +3
    It's just their bad article of a bad reviewer, that's all. What relation 41 engines may have to Ukraine is not clear. It would be okay to write about transport workers, but here it is just heresy
  24. Constanty
    Constanty 4 February 2021 14: 27
    +5
    To begin with, the weekly Do Rzeczy, although it describes itself as a conservative-liberal journal, actually has a right-wing bias and, in fact, is strongly Russophobic.
    The author himself, Grzegorz Janiszewski, is a lawyer and political scientist by profession, although he loves to be called a polemologist.

    Well, as you can see, he knows little about aviation and writes "an article under the assumption", with bad Russia, ...

    Well, as they say - they don't sow fools

    I can only apologize
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  25. Klingon
    Klingon 4 February 2021 14: 39
    +4
    the dude forgot that the F-22 was developed for a long time ... due to the lack of normal ties with Ukraine at that time wassat
  26. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 4 February 2021 14: 42
    +1
    The Poles completely lost their minds from Russophobia.

    Ukraine does not in any way affect the timing of the PAK-DA project.

    Everything goes according to plan.
  27. wow
    wow 4 February 2021 14: 45
    0
    As far as I remember, our aviation industry has not had any cooperation with Ukraine since 91. Even at the level of nuts and bolts.
  28. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 4 February 2021 14: 48
    +1
    Better let them tell you something about the lack of their production, only Gaster for small Britain is produced.
    The presence of such aircraft as the MiG-31 or Tu-160 was one of the hallmarks of a world power.

    Poland does not have them, and even the Amerzian households do not give them such, although their owners still cannot catch up to 31 minutes.
  29. rocket757
    rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 58
    0
    In the Polish press: The reason for the delay in the creation of the MiG-41 interceptor is the break in technological cooperation with Ukraine

    They are sho, SERIOUS ???
  30. Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 February 2021 15: 37
    0
    The Poles just want to talk, and it is better in an anti-Russian manner.
  31. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 4 February 2021 17: 41
    0
    At the same time, one of the main reasons, the Polish author sees "a break in technological cooperation with Ukraine and the ensuing economic crisis." Yanishevsky argues that precisely because of the break in cooperation with Ukrainian companies, Russia "has problems with the creation of the MiG-41, and specifically - the creation of an aircraft engine of suitable parameters."

    And where is the Outskirts? There, aircraft engines for fighters, bombers and interceptors were not designed or manufactured)))
  32. Voltsky
    Voltsky 4 February 2021 18: 07
    0
    In the Polish press: The reason for the delay in the creation of the MiG-41 interceptor is the break in technological cooperation with Ukraine
    have a bite
  33. agoran
    agoran 4 February 2021 20: 49
    0
    Thanks, laughed.
    Polish "expert" talks about the Russian MiG-41.
    That Poland has become a world power in the production of fighters?
    Yes, yes, we know, the Polish Army is not large, but bardzo motzno, curva.
  34. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 4 February 2021 21: 40
    +1
    "The speed is about 4,3, or even Mach 5, the practical ceiling is 50 kilometers, and the range is about 11 thousand kilometers."

    Fantastic performance characteristics. There is work here for more than a dozen years. That is, if it is possible to achieve such parameters at all. Compared to this, all the existing super-duper aircraft of the 5th generation are children's toys in terms of the complexity of the task ...
    Although someone remembers how many years sawing the F-35? And how much more will they finish ...
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad 4 February 2021 22: 34
    +1
    The reason for the delay in the creation of the MiG-41 interceptor


    the reason for the delay is that, in fact, a completely new aircraft from the airframe to the engine is being created.
    Considering that the creation of a new engine takes at least a dozen years and the creation of a glider is at least 5 years (provided that the project is sufficiently financed), then the terms do not look too long.

    But to weave here Ukraine, where the only aircraft building enterprise Antonov produced exclusively subsonic transport aircraft (military and passenger) can only be Polish experts.
  36. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 5 February 2021 04: 49
    +1
    another attempt at wishful thinking