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Nord Stream 2. This is not our first "stream". We are not the first call

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This is not business, this is just politics



Few expected such promptness from the new American administration. Recall that under Trump's pragmatism, pressure on the pro-Russian project was not particularly camouflaged. It was almost directly about lobbying for a project to supply American LNG to Europe.

Only business, nothing personal. But the readiness to change anger to mercy, having started a dialogue on lifting sanctions from Nord Stream 2, was immediately backed up in the United States by political, more precisely, geopolitical arguments. The main thing is “to protect the interests of Ukraine”. Actually, this is exactly what was to be expected from Biden.

So far, mostly the press reports on everything with details. For the sake of decency, the German Handelsblatt refers to sources in the American administration. And also uses some kind of camouflage.

How else to perceive this passage:

The German side must put a package solution on the negotiating table.

And what is in the package is no longer important? Conditions are being set from Washington, they are waiting for proposals that

eliminate concerns about the project.

But no one now doubts that they want to link the launch of an ambitious project, which is considered Russian only in the West and not even continental, but exclusively international in Europe, with the Ukrainian transit.

The EU now seems to be ready for anything to somehow support official Kiev, which, even after the “peacemaker” Zelenskiy came to power, cannot be suspected of any special sympathy for Moscow. But up to now, Nord Stream 2 has been defended more often in isolation from the transit topic.

Washington does not hide its desire to consolidate some kind of eternal scheme that will almost compel Russian Gazprom not to reduce the volume of transit supplies through Ukraine.

Have you counted and reconciled?


The Russian corporation remains the locomotive of the project solving the problem of gas supply to the old continent for years to come. Gazprom regularly reminds that Ukrainian transit will not last long for Europe.

Reanimation of outdated Ukrainian pipes and storage facilities will be so expensive that then really American LNG could become a competitor to Russian blue fuel.

It is unlikely that Washington just started talking about lifting sanctions and "saving Ukraine" at the same time. They also know how to count. And, most likely, they correctly assessed the alignment with gas supplies to Europe, recently announced by the Russian gas giant.

Gazprom reported that in 2020 the total export of natural gas decreased by 10% - to 179,3 billion cubic meters. At the same time, the breakdown by country has not yet been updated, but it is easy to calculate that a little more than 50 billion cubic meters came to Germany, about 20 billion to Italy, no more than 15 billion to Austria, and about 15 billion to Turkey.

Let us recall that the throughput capacity of Nord Stream 2, like the first, is 55 billion cubic meters per year. At the same time, at least 40 billion cubic meters should be supplied under the contract on transit through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. The capacity of the Turkish Stream is 32 billion cubic meters, the Yamal-Europe pipeline - almost 33 billion.

In total, this amounts to no more than 160 billion cubic meters, and about 7 million tons of LNG - liquefied gas, equivalent to 10 billion cubic meters, are transported by tankers. In the event that European demand for gas begins to recover, Nord Stream 2 will be needed just like air.

American LNG cannot close the hole, but problems with old Ukrainian pipes, as well as with the same Yamal-Europe gas pipeline, are still possible. Yes, so far not so much can be requested from Gazprom, no more than 15-20 billion cubic meters per year, but even Washington is able to look into the future.

Nord Stream 2. This is not our first "stream". We are not the first call
This familiar map of gas flows to Europe is literally out of date. Infographics: "Arguments and Facts"

Non-Freudian reservations


There are not many comments on the topic yet, but enough. At the same time, while it is customary for the official representatives of Russian departments in the West to blame for blatant propaganda, in our country they regularly catch opponents for illiteracy, ignorance of the subject and lack of logic.

Jennifer Psaki has been especially fond of journalists, and not only Russian ones, in this regard since the time of Barack Obama. She was once an official representative of the US State Department, and for Joseph Biden she became the press secretary of the White House.

But these days, reservations, and clearly not pathological, were made not by her - the "American Peskovs of the female gender", but by two other talking heads.

To begin with, the official representative of the German government Steffen Seibert, reporting on the telephone conversation between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and US President Joe Biden, for some reason missed, but rather omitted an important detail. Seibert decided to limit himself to the phrase about the readiness of leaders

cooperate in overcoming international challenges.


The online format, which is now fashionable due to the pandemic, did not allow to hear outcries from the journalists who joined the briefing, which are now being replicated on social networks and various network channels. After all, the Chancellor and the President were talking, almost first of all, about Nord Stream 2.

Following his German counterpart, the current representative of the US State Department, Ned Price, tried to sort out the gas topic - doesn't it, he has a very characteristic business name. So, he called sanctions only one of the ways

influence on the situation around the construction of the gas pipeline.

Price also decided to clarify that the United States has the right to convince allies and partners that Nord Stream 2 is an unprofitable project for them. But he somehow missed that it is precisely the sanctions that can make the gas pipeline, so needed by Europe, unprofitable.

And finally, there was one more reservation - the gas pipeline, according to the State Department experts, voiced by Price, would be a blow to Ukraine. Did you really think otherwise? Gazprom may indeed have reserves in order not to depend so much on Ukrainian transit.

Now the pragmatic Germans seem to have to separate the flies from the cutlets, but now is clearly not the time. Now everything is decided by the notorious information background. And it has been negative for several years around the second Nord Stream.

At the same time, Berlin seems to have realized long ago that they had inappropriately gotten themselves into trouble with Navalny, and now they have little idea of ​​how, keeping face, continue to fight off attacks on Nord Stream-2. But from Washington, by all indications, the Germans decided to help a little in this.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 6 February 2021 05: 33
    +24
    fend off attacks on Nord Stream 2.
    All in a heap: Navalny, Ukrainian transit, sanctions on "Fortune", and all "because of the money", as Zadornov said! belay
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 6 February 2021 05: 56
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      and all "because of the attendants," as Zadornov said!

      But not for the idea, because they tear pants laughing
      They need to give them a geyrope on their gas and raise prices for it when they are wrong
      Or even stop deliveries altogether if they behave "wrongly"
      We know perfectly well the price of contracts with zaluzhniki
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 6 February 2021 08: 36
        +8
        Quote: Lipchanin

        They need to give them a geyrope on their gas and raise prices for it when they are wrong

        Do you think that the Rosmonopoly dictates terms to European consumers?
        In my opinion, everything is exactly the opposite ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 6 February 2021 08: 39
          +4
          Quote: Doccor18
          Do you think that the Rosmonopoly dictates terms to European consumers?

          Read carefully
          They need to give them a geyrope on their gas and raise prices for it when they are wrong
          Or even stop deliveries altogether if they behave "wrongly"
          We know perfectly well the price of contracts with zaluzhniki

          That's what I said about them
          1. dSK
            dSK 6 February 2021 10: 48
            +12
            The United States will lift sanctions against the flow if Russia sells a large stake in Gazprom to the United States ...
            The way out of this situation is simple, but very difficult - deep processing of gas and oil in Russia, while reducing "raw" exports, will keep its prices from falling on the world market.
            Our "accountants" use a tax maneuver to make the budget of Russia easier for them ...
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 6 February 2021 17: 20
              +5
              Quote: dsk
              If Russia sells a large stake in Gazprom to the US government ...
              What is the problem? Sell, get money, and the next day nationalize as part of anti-sanctions. Let them know that not only they can play dirty.
      2. Sandro1977
        Sandro1977 6 February 2021 12: 21
        +1
        They want to gain control over all transit gas pipelines and control who gets who and how much gas.
      3. Sandro1977
        Sandro1977 6 February 2021 12: 22
        +3
        They want to gain control over all transit gas pipelines and control who gets who and how much gas.
      4. Sergei St.
        Sergei St. 6 February 2021 16: 23
        +3
        to whom? the price under international contracts is concluded for several years and no one has the right to change it (buyer, seller), otherwise there will be penalties that are not beneficial to anyone.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 6 February 2021 11: 40
      +2
      arrogance is the second happiness. Will our outskirts, which hold up to the kidka, be exposed?
      promise amer one and cut off the naphthagaz feeding trough from Gazprom? and even before the end of 4 years of the contract
    3. voronkin
      voronkin 6 February 2021 15: 26
      -1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      fend off attacks on Nord Stream 2.
      All in a heap: Navalny, Ukrainian transit, sanctions on "Fortune", and all "because of the money", as Zadornov said! belay

      They rush about and do not know what is more important to put pressure on Russia)))) And the caravan is moving, albeit a little slower, and barking more and more and began to bite
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 February 2021 18: 37
      +3
      What to do, what to do?
      It is absolutely impossible to close the Ukrainian transit. What if there was an accident on other gas pipelines?
      To "support the pants" of the Ukrainian pipe and a quiet life, Gazprom probably needs to sell gas in this direction from the border of the Russian Federation, let the West negotiate with the Square and pay it for transit.
      Long-term contracts should not be signed, only spot and supplies along this route, mainly in winter, when gas is expensive.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 6 February 2021 05: 34
    +23
    The stream must be completed and deprived of transit for Ukraine, thereby bringing its end as a state closer.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 6 February 2021 05: 52
      +20
      For 4 years, a new agreement on transit with Ukraine will be in effect, and then it will be seen, undoubtedly Ukraine needs to be re-educated by economic methods, it is impossible to feed Russophobia at our expense.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 6 February 2021 06: 32
        +7
        A new transit agreement with Ukraine will be in effect for 4 years and then it will be seen
        Maybe this time their pipe will be taken out without repair. And so I did not understand a little from the article - Reanimation of outdated Ukrainian pipes and storage facilities will be so expensive that then really American LNG could become a competitor to Russian blue fuel.
        What is this, and they want to hang the repair of holes on us? Once upon a time they did not allow us to privatize the Krainy GTS, but now we have to repair it? No, you yourself. And we will see after the repair how much the gas will cost through them. And this is again in favor of the SP-2 and possible subsequent ones.
      2. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 08: 21
        +7
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        A new transit agreement with Ukraine will be in effect for 4 years and then ...


        If Germany abandons the SP-2, then Gazprom will conclude a new contract with Ukraine for gas transit (for another 5-10 years), the Americans are doing very cleverly .... do you want to pump gas to Europe? Then sponsor Ukraine, because this "nezalezhnosti" needs to be repaid, and Gazprom's money will come in handy here + Gazprom has obligations to European companies, i.e. gas supply contracts have been concluded and they must be respected, regardless of which gas pipeline the gas goes through .... no gas? means to the courts, and multibillion-dollar fines that the company will pay (and with it the state). So it's a vicious circle ...
        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 6 February 2021 12: 52
          +3
          Gas supply agreements with the EU do not go on forever.
          I do not think that they will be extended recklessly, not taking into account the GTS're coming out.
          This is not necessary, taking into account the gas processing complex under construction in Ust lug with a capacity of 40 billion cubic meters per year. This is where the Ukrainian volume will go.
          For a couple of years, the Germans will get lost on minimal volumes and will finish building the sp2 themselves.
          In case, of course, if it does freeze ...
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 6 February 2021 10: 30
        +8
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        A new transit agreement with Ukraine will be in effect for 4 years, and then it will be seen, undoubtedly Ukraine needs to be re-educated with economic ...

        It is also necessary to remember: the profitability of the Ukrainian pipe starts at more than 30 per year, the promised pumping of 40 is, in principle, crumbs. Of course, this is an ideal situation: the money is spent on repairs, modernization ... which, in principle, is not about the 404 country - where grandmothers do not go for repairs, modernization, and sooner or later all this will rise and this will become their problem, not Russian. I think Gazprom / RF are finally playing in the longwhat pleases
        1. Avior
          Avior 6 February 2021 12: 45
          +6
          the profitability of any pipeline is determined by the ratio of maintenance costs to transportation costs.
          But in the case of the Ukrainian GTS, the fact is superimposed that the same GTS is used for internal gas distribution, it will still be kept, even if there is no gas pumping from Gazprom.
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 6 February 2021 14: 33
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            contain it anyway.

            Contain, but at the same time, as the head of the Ukrainian GTS Operator S. Makogon said, it is necessary "to be able to provide socially acceptable tariffs" ... taking into account the fact that the GTS calculated for 145 billion, transports 40 billion so far - “We will have to phase out 60- 70% of the capacity, because they are simply not needed "
      4. aars
        aars 6 February 2021 15: 08
        +9
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Ukraine needs to be re-educated
        Ukraine must die.
    2. raw174
      raw174 6 February 2021 08: 06
      -1
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The stream must be completed and deprived of transit for Ukraine, thereby bringing its end as a state closer.

      Most likely, they will not be completed. Apparently the Germans will still leave the project and then it will end.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2021 08: 41
        +1
        All the same, I am an optimist in life. I think, due to simple stubbornness, they will finish building. Here are quotes from articles like this one (they say, if not SP2, then Europe will "freeze", "bend", and so on). But then I read the article and thought: how did this Europe cope without us before? ...
        1. Aleks2048
          Aleks2048 6 February 2021 08: 47
          +1
          All the same, I am an optimist in life. I think, due to simple stubbornness, they will finish building.

          You are not an optimist. You are just a spender and a bastard, and at the expense of the state. laughing drinks
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2021 08: 56
            +5
            Well, if you consider that I have gas in my apartment, then YES!))
        2. raw174
          raw174 6 February 2021 09: 04
          +5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          they say, if not SP2, then Europe will "freeze", "bend", and so on). But then I read the article and thought: how did this Europe cope without us before? ...

          The west will not freeze and rot in the foreseeable future. The safety margin of the Western economies will be enough to overcome the current challenges, primarily due to their collective policy. Yes, they do have feuds, but strategically the West is united.
          1. your1970
            your1970 12 February 2021 06: 38
            -2
            Quote: raw174
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            they say, if not SP2, then Europe will "freeze", "bend", and so on). But then I read the article and thought: how did this Europe cope without us before? ...

            The west will not freeze and rot in the foreseeable future. The safety margin of the Western economies will be enough to overcome the current challenges, primarily due to their collective policy. Yes, they do have feuds, but strategically the West is united.

            Oh well....
            If in time During the Cold War, the Federal Republic of Germany, completely controlled by the States, brought itself a bunch of pipes from the USSR - now it's easier for the Germans. Blamed on ecology and basta
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 6 February 2021 17: 55
          +5
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          All the same, I am an optimist in life. I think, due to simple stubbornness, they will finish building. Here are quotes from articles like this one (they say, if not SP2, then Europe will "freeze", "bend", and so on). But then I read the article and thought: how did this Europe cope without us before?.
          In addition to gas, Europe used to consume coal and nuclear energy, which it decided to abandon in favor of gas and "green energy". Considering that green energy is clearly not enough for the industrial complex, there is still no alternative to gas for Europe, and therefore the demand for this energy carrier is increasing. To abandon the pipe in favor of LNG is fraught with an increase in the final price of the manufactured product, which leads to its uncompetitiveness, and therefore they will complete the construction of the pipe, but obviously under guarantees that they will allocate a significant share of the market for American LNG, which will allow, receiving (conditionally for thousand cubic meters) LNG for $ 350, and pipeline for $ 150, reach the average cost of this thousand cubic meters for $ 250, which is already bearable for both the treasury and business. Probably in these "muddles" consensus will be found. In terms of preserving transit through Ukraine, then without investing in the pipe, force majeure with explosions on the main lines of the Ukrainian GTS due to the development of a resource, in 5-10 years, will automatically become a sentence for it, because the gas pressure on the pipe walls and welded seams is greater obeys the laws of physics, not the laws of Washington.
        4. free_flier
          free_flier 8 February 2021 10: 06
          0
          They dabbled in coal ...
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 6 February 2021 12: 07
        +5
        Quote: raw174
        Most likely, they will not be completed. Apparently the Germans will still leave the project and then it will end.

        And for the fact that they are the owner of the gas hub SP-1 and SP-2, do they really need money ?!
        In my opinion, they should flow well there, so it is not profitable for them to refuse, like Bulgaria!
        So let them count and think.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 6 February 2021 05: 39
    +12
    As one Russophobe known to members of the forum said, the fight against Russia will be carried out at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia. The whole situation around Ukraine and SP-2 clearly fits into this policy. Therefore, it is simply vital for our country to impose all the costs of the war against Russia on our opponents ... Not a single ruble from our budget should be directed against us.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 08: 59
      +7
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      As one Russophobe known to members of the forum said, the fight against Russia will be carried out at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia. The whole situation around Ukraine and SP-2 clearly fits into this policy. Therefore, it is simply vital for our country to impose all the costs of the war against Russia on our opponents ... Not a single ruble from our budget should be directed against us.


      It seems that our country does not know how to fight at the expense of other people's resources. Just for example ... sanctions against Russia were led by the US and the EU. What are we doing? we are fighting alone, but you can connect the EAEU and introduce retaliatory sanctions at the organizational level, so that the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine and other EU countries are not profitable to trade with us. those. because of the sanctions, the growth of Russia's GDP is reduced - therefore, all members of the Eurasian Union suffer, but suffer in silence ... or an example of a sanction on Belarus, why is there no joint Russia-Belarus sanctions against EU policy? The EU and the US are collectively imposing sanctions, but we are fighting off one by one ... (this is a losing path). But there is (in addition to) the EAEU, the SCO ... there are individual countries Iran, North Korea, Cuba, China with which you can create an organization to oppose Western sanctions, adding the EAEU with the SCO and the West will not be funny, and the rest of the world will think deeply about is it worth driving unilateral sanctions (the same Japan, for example).


      Ukraine is the same, a separate issue ... pursuing a Russophobic policy, but at the same time:

      KIEV, January 12. / TASS /. Russia became one of the three main trade partners of Ukraine at the end of 2020. This was announced on Tuesday by the State Customs Service of Ukraine.


      what to call it? It's the same story with the Baltics, Russia trades with Russophobic countries as if nothing had happened ... although at the level of the Foreign Ministry and state relations, we have at least a cold war. A strange policy, to put it mildly ...
      1. aglet
        aglet 6 February 2021 10: 32
        -3
        "adding the EAEU with the SCO and the West will not be funny,"
        can you add at least Kiribati West will still be funny? how much percent of the world GDP do these countries together provide? 2, or 5? these numbers alone can be done, which is funny
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 16: 19
          +3
          Quote: aglet
          "adding the EAEU with the SCO and the West will not be funny,"
          can you add at least Kiribati West will still be funny? how much percent of the world GDP do these countries together provide? 2, or 5? these numbers alone can be done, which is funny


          You can count, if you're interested. Although the SCO has fairly large world economies: China - 1st place in PPP GDP, 2nd place in nominal GDP. Russia - 5th in terms of GDP PPP, 11th in terms of GDP nominal. Next, what do you want to measure? The service industry in the West and the service industry of these organizations? Or real production? Or maybe we will take into account the stock market and those bubbles that Western countries also take into account in the economy? I mean, the game of numbers does not reflect the real picture, and the economies of Western countries are larger, and they have more technology, but all these GDP ratings do not take into account many factors.

          Now, regarding the confrontation between the organization and the Blocs ... if the EAEU and the SCO carry out retaliatory sanctions, then it will be a very painful blow to the USA and the EU, Western companies feel quite comfortable in the CIS, Asia, but if there is a response and restrictions + duties begin, then The West will be far from laughing, it will not be able to supply products to foreign markets (EAEU, SCO), or it will supply with such restrictions that it will not be profitable for US-EU companies to compete with local producers ..... the only problem here is the lack of the political will of the leadership of China and Russia, but if the current situation (2020 and early 2021) continues, and the West continues its policy (to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia / China + impose sanctions), the world will sooner or later split into 2 camps , now everything goes to this.
          1. aglet
            aglet 7 February 2021 08: 13
            -1
            "the only problem here is the lack of political will of the Chinese leadership"
            this is about the SCO, if anything, it still consists of statements only, and is at the stage of creation, and its goals are not entirely economic
            "The main tasks of the organization proclaimed the strengthening of stability and security in a wide space uniting the participating states, the fight against terrorism, separatism, extremism], drug trafficking"
            you still remember the brix, or what is left of it. China is not led to ardent hugs, he gave a ride with gas specifically to Putin, and without China, all the countries you listed have global GDP at the level of a statistical error
            "if the EAEU and the SCO carry out retaliatory sanctions"
            here you can breathe out and relax. this will never happen. no, against Kyrgyzstan, or even kiribatu can be introduced if they want, but then, no, no
      2. aars
        aars 6 February 2021 15: 12
        +2
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        after all, you can connect the EAEU
        The EAEU will never, never, absolutely never connect.
        They benefit from sanctions, because receive large incomes through re-export to Russia.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 17: 06
          0
          Quote: aars
          The EAEU will never, never, absolutely never connect.
          They benefit from sanctions, because receive large incomes through re-export to Russia.


          Who will buy the EAEU products? The main sales market for products is Russia, if the growth of Russia's GDP slows down and incomes of citizens fall, then no one will buy the product (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia ..), i.e. sanctions hit not only Russia but also the EAEU as a whole, and affect the common market ... and this idea needs to be conveyed to all the participants of this association. But you are right that the EAEU will not join ... the fear of the West is too great and this is a problem.
          1. aars
            aars 6 February 2021 17: 23
            -2
            It is not rational to focus on Russia for purely pragmatic reasons - Russia is on a trajectory of decline and changes for the better are not visible.
            Therefore, measures are needed to reorient away from Russia.
            In the very near future, Kazakhstan (and it is not alone) will overtake Russia in GDP per capita and not so much due to its growth, which is, but due to the Russian decline.
            There is fear of the West, but China is much more important for Central Asia.
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 17: 43
              0
              Quote: aars
              There is fear of the West, but China is much more important for Central Asia.


              From an economic point of view, yes, but are the Central Asian countries eager to become dependent on China? Here Russia is more likely to play the role of an alternative and a safe umbrella that can protect their territories, and then no one plans to leave the EAEU, on the contrary, integration is strengthening every year and common mechanisms, legislation, etc. are being developed. + do not forget about the Russian market and energy resources that Russia can sell at a discount, it is more difficult to enter the Chinese market, there is a lot of competition + closeness in itself ... of course, agricultural products will be accepted there with a bang, but other categories of goods are more relevant for the Russian market, in China there are enough of their producers + the PRC cannot provide energy resources, it is itself the largest consumer (gas, oil ...), so there is also no need to forget about the production cost.
              1. aars
                aars 6 February 2021 17: 58
                -1
                Right now, the EAEU members are re-exporting sanctioned products to Russia, make a profit.
                If they join the sanctions, they will lose their income, deprive their own population of food, causing internal discontent.
                Prices in Russia will increase even more, the population of Russia will become poorer, there will be less buying of their goods ...
                Joining the sanctions is absolutely useless, no benefits, only harm.
                Only Belarus needs Russian energy resources and that's it ...
                Armenia is minuscule.
                But Belarus is still looking west.
                And to Kazakhstan and others like it, Russian energy resources are like a dog's fifth leg.
                1. Aleksandr21
                  Aleksandr21 6 February 2021 18: 20
                  0
                  Quote: aars
                  Joining the sanctions is absolutely useless, no benefits, only harm.
                  Only Belarus needs Russian energy resources and that's it ...
                  Armenia is minuscule.
                  But Belarus is still looking west.
                  And to Kazakhstan and others like it, Russian energy resources are like a dog's fifth leg.


                  I agree on the sanctions, but the EAEU countries will not join precisely because of the fear of the West and the lack of benefits for their skin. Although sooner or later, integration into the EAEU will lead to a common course in politics, like the EU ... only this is a distant future. Regarding re-export, yes it is, but what is its share in trade between Russia and individual countries from the EAEU? 1-5%? Minor. And the shop can be easily closed, an instruction from the Kremlin - to the Customs or Rosselkhoznadzor and everything will stop. But because of the need for the Russian market, you are wrong. Belarus has no alternative to the Russian market (its goods are not expected in the West), Armenia is also almost completely tied to the Russian market, Kazakhstan is the same story, the main external trade partner is Russia (data for 2020). And in terms of energy resources, the main supplies come from Russia .... and there is certainly a need for them.
                  1. aars
                    aars 6 February 2021 18: 37
                    -1
                    Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan sell gas to Russia.
                    Turkmenistan sends its entire volume to China.
                    IMHO only Kyrgyzstan needs energy, but it is easier and cheaper for it to take from its neighbors.
                    And you can cover it, but apart from strengthening the centrifugal tendencies, this will give nothing.
                    The EAEU participants will not deprive their own, poor population of food at Russian orders, this is already out of the realm of fantasy.
  4. Dimonst
    Dimonst 6 February 2021 05: 40
    +4
    I am reluctant to comment, but the fact that Nord Stream is before small Britain, judging by the infographics, is news to me personally. Further, there is no point in discussing from the word "absolutely" IMHO
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 6 February 2021 07: 13
      +6
      I am reluctant to comment, but the fact that Nord Stream is before small Britain, judging by the infographics, is news for me personally
      The target markets for Nord Stream supplies are Germany, Britain, Netherlands, France, Denmark and other countries.
      Yes, I specified it from other sources. Valid until Norfolk. How else can the oligarchs survive there - just pay and repent
  5. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 6 February 2021 05: 52
    0
    the gas pipeline, according to State Department experts, voiced by Price, would be a blow to Ukraine.

    This "suitcase without a handle" constantly pops up
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 6 February 2021 05: 58
      0
      I hope, following the example with the Balts, Zelensky himself will soon carry it. hi
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 6 February 2021 06: 00
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I hope, following the example with the Balts, Zelensky himself will soon carry it

        And this is where it goes
        They are already tired of everyone worse than a bitter radish
        hi
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 06: 14
      +9
      Quote: Lipchanin
      This "suitcase without a handle" constantly pops up

      The point is no longer that it pops up, but that there are interested persons in Russia who want to drag this suitcase to the detriment of the prosperity of their own citizens.
      All contacts with non-contractual authorities must be cut off until they change their minds. Why should Russia solve its problems (water supply to the Crimea) alone, and must keep the problems of an empty pipe in the first place under the strict patronage of an overseas "partner"?
      The existence of Ukraine in the form and within the boundaries that it exists today should not be an unbearable burden for Russia and a heavy burden.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 6 February 2021 06: 21
        -6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Why should Russia solve its problems (Crimea water supply) alone?

        So this is part of Russia
        and the problems of an empty pipe must be kept in the first place by the sensitive patronage of an overseas "partner"?

        Not long left.
        As soon as the gas flows through the SP-2, the gas flow through the outskirts will be reduced to a minimum, so that the pipe does not completely die out and cause an ecological disaster.
        should not be an unbearable burden for Russia and a heavy burden.

        And will not be
        No one is here with her radikals, "sectors and banderlogs are not needed
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 6 February 2021 07: 48
          -3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          So this is part of Russia

          This is understandable, but there is some kind of international law in relation to rivers flowing through the territory of different countries. Why does Ukraine not want to negotiate on the JCC, while Russia should take care of the Ukrainian energy and gas supply?
          1. aars
            aars 6 February 2021 15: 14
            0
            There is no international law, there are treaties and conventions, accession to which is voluntary and only in the presence of mutual benefit.
  6. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 6 February 2021 07: 10
    +2
    Europe for Gazprom, despite the mischief and twisting of hands, is much closer and more interesting than Dagestan. Dagestan is mired in debt, and now Gazprom is offering to give the networks to other hands.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 6 February 2021 08: 44
      +3
      So geyropa, I must honestly admit, pays, and Dagestan steals, so let them think without gas, and how they will continue to live.
      1. aars
        aars 6 February 2021 15: 16
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        and Dagestan steals
        And he will continue to steal.
        They can, they have protests easily and often, no one will irritate them.
        They are wolves, not sheep.
    2. aglet
      aglet 6 February 2021 10: 37
      +2
      "Dagestan is mired in debt, and now Gazprom is offering to give the networks to other hands."
      or, more precisely, into the hands of the state, sacredly using the principle of privatization of profits, nationalization of losses. the same thing happens to all flows, otherwise Miller cannot
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 6 February 2021 15: 38
        0
        Gazprom has an option now they are preparing a project of Power of Siberia 2 for 50 billion cubic meters to China and building Arctic LNG - if Germany somehow miraculously refuses to complete JV 2, then these volumes of gas can be transferred to LNG - and send both Germany and Ukraine to hell, either buy our LNG or go to hell. Here, Kazakhstan also needs a branch for 17 billion cubic meters a year, and Japan also needs LNG.
        1. Brturin
          Brturin 6 February 2021 20: 01
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          buy our LNG or go to hell

          It is the buyer's business to buy LNG if there is no contract, then it will have to compete, but the same Lithuania has already realized that the LNG terminal is expensive and by March "make proposals to reduce the cost of supplying the required amount of liquefied natural gas (LNG) to the Klaipeda terminal." Our LNG will hopefully be cheaper due to the climate in production and delivery leverage, but on condition that LNG projects receive reasonable incentives, otherwise NOVATEK received preferences, and now there is a dispute about what to do with this - "from 2018 to 2020 year, supplies from Yamal LNG to Europe amounted to about 33,5 million tons, to Asia - about 8,8 million tons of the total volume of 44,5 million tons of LNG. " https://neftegaz.ru/news/spg-szhizhennyy-prirodnyy-gaz/663432-v-gosdume-predlozhili-vvesti-eksportnye-poshliny-dlya-yamal-spg-chtoby-snizit-konkurentsiyu/ - Gazprom believes that this reduces its supply and the state receives less taxes ...
        2. aglet
          aglet 7 February 2021 10: 16
          -2
          "Gazprom has an option now they are preparing a project of Power of Siberia 2 for 50 billion cubic meters to China"
          this is the case, the power of siberia is idle, china does not want to take gas from it. Why build a CC1? will also bury billions in the ground?
          "if Germany somehow miraculously refuses to complete JV 2"
          not wonderful, but the simplest, just otkazhetsya. SP1 is half full, Europe no longer allows, through Ukraine, always welcome, on the most slavish terms, as if selling someone else's stolen gas. Putin will never agree to break supply contracts to Europe, he will agree to any conditions, otherwise there will be no money to take, and Miller, and Gazprom as a whole, will have to feed him at his own expense, but he is not even there.
          "Gazprom has an option"
          Gazprom has no options, only losses. compare 2019 and 2020, profit and loss, as well as dividend payments
  7. mark1
    mark1 6 February 2021 07: 43
    +4
    I have already said, though on another site - you have to agree. But the gas transfer point should be moved to the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Then we get flows and problems (including the cost) of the transit of a part. Let Ukraine and the safety of the Ukrainian pipe be the problems of the European Union and Biden personally.
    The reference in this case to a certain agreement with the EU on the transfer of gas at an already approved point is controversial, since in the event of a complete refusal to transit through Ukraine, the point will in any case disappear, i.e. it is not a constant.
    1. Avior
      Avior 6 February 2021 12: 57
      +1
      This was not suggested once. Gazprom has always been against it, it is very unprofitable.
      the price of gas is determined by the market in which the sale takes place.
      the price of gas at the border between Russia and Ukraine will be much lower than when supplied and sold at the European border.
      this idea was considered ten years ago, and more than once after that.
      Gazprom is not considering the possibility of selling gas to Europe on the Ukrainian-Russian border.

      The official representative of "Gazprom" Sergey Kupriyanov announced this in a comment to journalists in Moscow - UNIAN reports.

      “We are not considering this option,” said Kupriyanov.

      As we reported, US Ambassador to Ukraine William Taylor expressed the opinion that changing the procedure for pumping Russian gas through Ukraine could strengthen the energy security of Europe.

      “A new system of energy security in Europe could include a change in the procedure for pumping Russian gas through Ukraine. The Europeans could accept the delivery of Russian gas at the Russian-Ukrainian border and negotiate transit conditions directly with the Ukrainians, "William Taylor explained.

      https://kp.ua/politics/69503-hazprom-otverh-predlozhenye-posla-ssha-v-ukrayne
      hi
      1. mark1
        mark1 6 February 2021 13: 36
        0
        So that is so, but what could be the gas MARKET on the border of Russia and Ukraine with a single supplier? There is a supply agreement taking into account the market in the EU + Khokhlomarzh, if, for some reason (for example, due to transit prices), the buyer is not satisfied with this, there is always an alternative h.z. northern streams. hi
        1. Avior
          Avior 6 February 2021 13: 43
          +1
          The supply agreement provides for the supply of gas to the EU. This means that the contract would have to be changed, including the gas price.
          You see Gazprom's reaction to this proposal.
          1. mark1
            mark1 6 February 2021 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            You see the reaction of Gazprom

            This reaction can be explained by a certain gesheftik over the budget. This can also explain the desire to get into all the gas transmission networks of Europe.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 6 February 2021 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: mark1
      I have already said, though on another site - you have to agree. But the gas transfer point should be moved to the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

      The position was expressed - “The wording is obviously incorrect. Transit gas metering is carried out both on the eastern and western borders of Ukraine. Perhaps he meant not a metering point, but a point of delivery of gas to customers, but this is a matter of relations not with Ukraine, but with our European clients under long-term contracts. To discuss this with Kiev is pointless. " The point of delivery is prescribed in the contracts on the territory of those countries that buy gas ... It is important for the buyer to receive the goods at a given point at home, and the problem of transit is the seller's business and I doubt that European companies are ready to change contracts and negotiate not only with Ukraine and with all transit countries further - The same Italian Eni will have to negotiate with Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Austria ... and they need it ...
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 February 2021 08: 41
    -7
    It is easier to cure a geyrope than a steamed turnip, to leave three gas pipelines - SP-1, through Belarus, and South Stream, which we tie through a pot of heads and let them divide among themselves and bark at us. We take popcorn ourselves and watch. True, Miller and the other beneficiaries will have to squeeze, but nothing will be the last ... they eat up without salt.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2021 09: 33
      +2
      God! Why are you still here ?! More likely to the board of Gazprom! We are already tired of waiting for you with ingenious solutions! How simple and ingenious it is!
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 6 February 2021 11: 56
        -2
        Well, what is incomprehensible here, read your stupid comment, so you responded with your unnecessary moral admonitions.
        You can express your opinion on the topic, and not give assessments, who are you? fool
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2021 13: 19
        0
        I? Compared to you, nobody. I do not have multi-step thinking and, probably, I do not make unreasonable comments on this. By the way, we noticed that not only me did not like your post.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 6 February 2021 10: 10
      -1
      They will never do it.
  9. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 6 February 2021 09: 39
    -6
    It's a shame when the US tells us how and where to build our pipelines. Such attacks by the American side should be answered by the Foreign Ministry, and an instant one.

    It is also time for Russia to set its terms more stringently, or Nord Stream 2, and then we can consider all proposals from Ukraine on transit if necessary, and if, as a result of political pressure, Nord Stream 2 stops, then upon the expiration of the last contract between Russia and Ukraine, gas transit through Ukraine will be terminated altogether !!!

    Enough for us to beg for mercy, gas is ours and our interests must be taken into account.

    No, it means no, it means that together 180 billion cubic meters Europe will receive only 140 billion, Ukraine will not receive a penny from the "aggressor country", and we will sell the excess volume in the form of LNG, to China and to our market.

    In Russia, gas prices need to be raised to market levels for a long time and control should be tightened, up to criminal liability for illegal tapping. Our companies must make money in our market too.

    And let Europe sit in conditions of gas shortage, and Ukraine without gas at all, otherwise we all scare them, and it's time to "hit in the face", then everything will reach everyone at once.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 6 February 2021 10: 12
      +2
      Are you aware that prices are already high for the population, and if they are raised, they will become unaffordable?
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2021 12: 00
        -3
        I am aware of the price of gas I pay for it. I am speaking now not from the position of my own pocket, but from the position of a better and more efficient system of resource allocation for the whole country and our people.

        The price of resources should be market-based and no other price, administrative regulation does nothing good, ruins companies, budgets and enriches only speculators.

        And today, and so the citizens pay the market price only now all this is unfair.

        So now all citizens pay for gas at a preferential price, which is several times cheaper than the market price and state employees who receive modest salaries and those who have large incomes, including business. As a result, this is a lost profit of companies supplying resources and lost taxes by budgets of all levels, and this leads to the fact that public sector employees have nothing to raise wages.

        Why should a state employee pay for cheap gasoline for someone's jeep if he himself goes to work by minibus, for heating and lighting a 2-storey building at a discounted price of some bourgeois when a state employee does not have his own home or has a very modest one ?!

        And in order to protect people with low incomes, we already have social support measures for those citizens whose utility bills exceed a significant part of their income. These measures can be expanded somewhere.

        By making the prices for gas, electricity and fuel market-based, we will make the distribution of resources within the country fairer and more efficient, everything will play quite differently. Saving resources will become relevant for everyone and in all spheres, the rich and people with prosperity will pay for resources as much as they cost, the regions will receive additional opportunities to increase salaries for public sector employees, the level of income of public sector employees will accordingly rise, our companies will have the opportunity to earn on the domestic market as well as and on the external and will be less dependent on external pressure.

        Here's an example from our current life.

        Look at agricultural enterprises that produce grain. No one is embarrassed by the fact that now in Russia the market price of grain and this gave us the opportunity to make a real breakthrough in agriculture, since it has become very profitable to do it, and this has led to the production of agricultural machinery. Today Russia produces grain both for itself and for export, and in the USSR they fed pigs with bread, because it was cheaper than grain, while the country has been buying grain abroad (USA, Canada, etc.) for 80 40 million tons per year, at current prices ($ 45 per ton) this is $ 200-8 billion annually. The USSR, at its own expense, paid the West for one nuclear aircraft carrier annually.

        This is what the prices of goods, which are set administratively, supposedly from good intentions, lead.

        And it has always been so under the kings and under the general secretaries and under the presidents. No administrative regulation can work as effectively with the price of a product as a market.

        But of course, you cannot leave the market completely without control.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 7 February 2021 14: 35
          0
          Regular fairy tales from the category of the market will solve everything. In reality, only prices for the population will rise.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 6 February 2021 10: 15
      +5
      gas is ours and our interests must be taken into account.
      Golden words!
      Tell them to those families who are heated with wood and cook on imported gas in cylinders.
      Or bring up this slogan at the next meeting.
  10. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 6 February 2021 10: 27
    +1
    You can curse the United States as long as you like, but they know how to make money out of thin air.
    Ukraine will "receive" US loans and pay them with the money Russia will receive from gas transit.
  11. Maks winter
    Maks winter 6 February 2021 12: 21
    +2
    By the way, Serbia no longer takes gas from the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod pipeline. and there followed the Bulgarians with the Hungarians. my personal opinion, soon, the great ukram, with regards to gas, will only have to pump themselves ...
  12. arhitroll
    arhitroll 6 February 2021 12: 35
    +2
    Selling raw materials without processing is a long-term betrayal of the Motherland. To prohibit the export of more than 10% of raw materials from production. If you want more - build factories / infrastructure on the territory of the Russian Federation and sell with added value (you look and serfs will arrive) At first it will be difficult (you have to think more complicated than the HAP-HIPE scheme), but then you will get more profits, you are our bourgeoisie. Yes, and then you will take a place not with the world bucket, but on an equal footing ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2021 15: 45
      +1
      If you want more - build factories / infrastructure on the territory of the Russian Federation and sell with added value (you look and serfs will arrive) And so they build a dozen huge gas and oil processing everything in a procession, and over time, they will begin to mix hydrogen into natural gas, increasing the production of the first to 2 million tons per year.
      1. arhitroll
        arhitroll 6 February 2021 17: 21
        0
        They are building (this is very good!) - but not forgivable little. Domestic consumption stalled at 430-460 bcm (by the way, it is very difficult to find a diagram of domestic gas consumption, while the size of exports is everywhere)
  13. tank64rus
    tank64rus 6 February 2021 14: 14
    +2
    All are rescued by "fat and poor companions". Yes, only the equipment of the gas pipeline of the times of the USSR is worn out by 80%. The ukrooligarchs did not want to invest in it and will not. And Europe doesn't need Nord Stream 2 at all. From here everything goes right up to the expulsion of Navalny back to Russia. The authorities of the FRG (USA) decided to advance the pawn on the chessboard, maybe then suddenly the queen will turn out. Not yet. Now they think further. The interests of big business are for the FRG, parts of the political elite are against.
  14. BAI
    BAI 6 February 2021 14: 27
    +1
    1. I am against the completion of SP-2. I will not repeat myself, I will briefly remind you that the completion of SP-2 will bring Russia more harm than good.
    2.
    the gas pipeline, according to State Department experts, voiced by Price, would be a blow to Ukraine.

    Already now (2020) 76 billion cubic meters of gas have entered Ukraine, 55 billion have come out. 21 is the so-called reverse. And for the profitability of the gas transportation system of Ukraine, 40 billion are needed. And in the best years it was 170-190. Those. just a little bit left to cut. And this cut can be freely done at the expense of liquefied gas, which is actively developing. Factories and terminals are being built. Without any pipelines.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 February 2021 15: 51
      +1
      For future production of hydrogen in Russia and its delivery in mixtures with natural gas to consumers, pipes will be much more profitable as a transport system than LNG carriers until 2035 in Russia they are going to produce 2 million tons of hydrogen.
  15. 123456789
    123456789 6 February 2021 14: 52
    0
    Only an ultimatum to block the transit of Caspian hydrocarbons will make it possible to lift ALL sanctions from Russia. It's obvious as a child's mat! This is also V.S. Chernomyrdin. used successfully.
  16. Alexey Koshkarov
    Alexey Koshkarov 6 February 2021 16: 16
    +3
    We ourselves would need this gas. Moreover, it ends with us
  17. boris epstein
    boris epstein 6 February 2021 16: 53
    -1
    Well, Russia will leave 5-8 billion cubic meters of gas a year in the Ukrainian GTS and will keep it as a reserve for every fireman. But these 5-8 billion cubic meters of gas per year will not be enough for Ukraine to maintain the GTS. But the requirement "not to leave without transit" will be fulfilled.
  18. ck9999999
    ck9999999 6 February 2021 17: 27
    0
    Uncle Sam's rainbow dream is to shift the problems of "horses" to Russia. They also set conditions. They were completely insolent.
  19. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 6 February 2021 18: 21
    0
    Yes . all in a heap, if there is nothing to write about.
  20. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 6 February 2021 18: 48
    +1
    yes, promise them everything they ask .... sign the next memorandum ...... already learn "big politician" ... promise, build and "throw"
  21. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 6 February 2021 18: 53
    +1
    Tired of the information on Nord Stream 2. At the beginning there were over 400 comments, but now what? Even the politicians are tired! They will not build! They will build, but they will not give gas! And so the profit flooded! Reserve, we will give gas for good behavior! As it is in the classics : They won't buy the lottery, turn off the gas! hi
  22. clerk
    clerk 6 February 2021 21: 17
    0
    Some completely indistinct note - well, the authors of the news around SP-2 were chewing, and then what - where is the conclusion? About nothing ...
  23. iouris
    iouris 6 February 2021 21: 46
    0
    I suspect that gas through this pipeline will be free for Germany. It is not in vain that two processes are taking place in Holland (or maybe not two). Here you have to show your teeth.
  24. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 8 February 2021 16: 25
    0
    Europe was offended for Borrell. We'll find out soon, strong, or as always. But this clearly does not add optimism to the SP-2.
  25. Karen Khoreev
    Karen Khoreev 9 February 2021 02: 01
    0
    Everything is much simpler ... The Americans are cleaning up the Asian and Pacific markets for themselves, which are both larger and richer ... The more Russia sends gas to Europe, the less Asia will get! And if the gasification of Russia also goes according to plan, then gas, in general, may not be enough for someone)
  26. loaln
    loaln 12 February 2021 08: 41
    0
    What are you worried about?
    Kholui-thief psychology will win.
    They will order them to carry gas in cylinders on their hands, they will not carry it, they will run to Ukraine.
    The main thing is that the grandmothers go along the "streams".
    Whose pocket?
    Why would you know?
    You have nothing to do with it.