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The poor must be healthy too

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Once a month, I, like many other Russians, face the same problem. I have to go to the pharmacy for medicines. For pills that help me to keep working, to ensure a normal life. And without which, with a high probability, I would have already become acquainted with the afterlife.


Alas, stormy youth, harmful work, sports and other unfavorable factors that doctors tell us about in maturity wear out even the strongest organism.

Life, in general, is an unhealthy thing. Take care of your heart, do not be nervous, do not work in an aggressive environment, do not strain, sleep for 8 hours ... I'd better keep quiet about bad habits.

Although, according to the assurances of doctors, all habits are bad. Starting with alcohol, smoking, fried, boiled, hard, soft, salty and sweet and ending with high performance sports, excess oxygen and lack of the same oxygen.

I remembered an old bearded anecdote about a retired officer who surprised the social security workers by coming every five years for a new pension certificate. And when asked why he does not "crumble" after retirement, like other officers who parted with their harness, proudly lifts up his shirt, shows the harness on his naked body and says:

"I didn't take it off!"

Alas, this is just an anecdote. Even a harness does not save from age.

There are medicines, but they are quietly getting more expensive


There is nothing new in the fact that drugs are becoming more expensive. It is understood that since the pharmaceutical industry

"Released to free bread",

that is, it became just an ordinary branch of production, the usual rules for capitalism reigned there: the fight against competitors, the seizure of sales markets, the search for cheaper production, etc., which contribute to an increase in production efficiency.

An ordinary pill, which is known to everyone from childhood, consists of two components. Actually the element that heals, and those supplements and fillers that are either neutral or harmful to health.

A good medicine differs from a bad medicine simply by the presence of more or less of the second component. But the cost of a tablet depends to a large extent on the degree of purification from these harmful substances. The process is really expensive.

It is from understanding, on their own state of health, of this very difference in pills, in consumers an opinion about good and bad manufacturing plants has been born and has already taken hold. What we didn’t have before (in Soviet times). Today the patient looks very closely at who produced the medicine.

(For example, I will never use an analogue of the French Coplavix). Only one company and one manufacturer. Thus, the manufacturing plant attracts some part of the sales market. And faith in medicine is bearing fruit.

Another problem arises that concerns the poorest patients. Nobody will produce cheap and well-known medicines.

Why do we need acetylsalicylic acid for 20 rubles, when we can release exactly the same medicine under a new and louder name and advertise it as a new generation drug?

How many expensive aspirins do we have today? Not for tens of rubles, but for hundreds and even thousands?

But it seems to me that pharmacies are also to blame for the increase in drug prices. There are several pharmacy chains in each city. Most often, they take medicines from the same pharmacy warehouse. But the prices in the pharmacies of these chains are different. In one network, a medicine costs 900 rubles. In the other - 1, in the third - 000 rubles.

Some will go where it costs 900, and the majority will take it at the price that costs in the usual pharmacy. And he will be sure that the price has risen everywhere. And it really will rise. In a month, the drug for 900 rubles will no longer be in the pharmacy. And you will go to those where "over 1". In another month, this medicine will cost 000 in "your pharmacy". But officially, no one spoke about the increase?

Is the market a killer?


To some extent, this is true for pharmaceutical companies. Medicine is one of those areas of life that, if government control is removed, can turn into human killers. The disease comes on suddenly. And in order to cure it, people are ready for anything. For any expenses, for any hardships. And for the necessary drugs they will pay two or three prices.

But there is one interesting document in our country - the VED list. The most important information is hidden behind these incomprehensible letters. List of vital and essential medicines. The same drugs, without which some patients simply cannot live on.

Cardiac patients, asthmatics, cancer patients, diabetics ... The list of categories is quite long. And everyone needs medicine every day. And they consume tons of these drugs every day.

According to this list, the country has medicines for such patients. But is it?

It is clear that sick people cannot work fully and for the most part live on a pension from the state. Therefore, medicines for them must be either free or at a minimal cost. But what do we really see?

There is a prescription according to which you will receive state-subsidized drugs in a certain network of pharmacies. You come with a prescription. And you are put on the waiting list for the drug. This can happen in a day, or in a week or two. A diabetic injects insulin more than once a day. And what is he forced to do?

Go and buy at a commercial price at another nearby pharmacy.

I know several patients who refused to receive free medicines for this reason. And now they receive monetary compensation for the purchase of medicines on their own. Only the commercial price is very different from the state one.

How to solve the problem


The easiest route most patients take is simply to go to pharmacies and buy medicines where the price is lower. Fortunately, today there is an opportunity to compare the price in different pharmacies and in different pharmacy chains.

Only now, most often for a sick person, such trips are quite difficult. Physically. Yes, and with computers old people are on "you". It is good if children or grandchildren live nearby. And if a person lives alone?

Today, in almost any program on TV or radio, I hear that we are great fellows in creating vaccines against coronavirus. In different versions, from different people. I will not write about the vaccine. But about the new in this stories I will mention.

It turns out that our pharmaceutical industry has shown its capabilities in the production of vaccines. In a good sense of the word. They increase, build up, quickly master the release, etc.

But until recently, the conversation was about the fact that the same industry is not able to produce a vaccine for export. We offer other countries to produce their own medicine according to our technologies.

It turns out that there are capacities, opportunities, people - everything to quickly increase output. So what's the deal?

And the point, it seems to me, is that the production of drugs (even from the list of vital and essential drugs) is not a priority for the state. This is not a global, breakthrough project. This will not increase your rating, you will not get a quick and big profit.

The state has taken the path of subsidizing a specific patient if he has chronic diseases. And I forgot about those who are simply sick, but cannot afford to buy expensive drugs. Hence, it would be quite logical to organize the production of cheap drugs at the available capacities and subsidize them from the budget.

Then the first part of the problem will be solved. Moreover, the pharmaceutical industry will begin to develop. Conditions will appear for the modernization of production, for the production of better quality drugs. Is this not the task of the government in this area?

The second part of the problem must be solved in the same way.

I'm talking about pharmacies. Today, the list of medicines approved for sale in Russia looks like a solid, multivolume edition. Moreover, if you enter the name of a drug in a computer search engine, you will receive several pages listing the names of this drug from different manufacturers.

It is necessary to oblige all pharmacy chains to have cheap Russian-made medicines on sale. And strictly control the implementation of this instruction.

At the same time, pharmacists should be obliged to inform buyers about the availability of not only expensive, but also cheap drugs, explaining the main differences. That is, simply to stimulate them to do the work that they should do. So that the decision about which medicine to buy is made by the buyer.

Well, and one more small, but still a problem.

They are doctors. There are still cases when doctors contact manufacturers or pharmacists and prescribe expensive drugs from certain manufacturers. For which they receive a percentage of sales. Such cases should be classified as fraud with an appropriate law enforcement response.

Instead of a conclusion


When you are young and healthy, the problem of drugs does not exist for you. The body heals itself perfectly. Except for a very small number of diseases. In our youth, each of us is his own doctor. My head hurts? For analgin. Throat? Furacilin. The strangest thing is that this kind of advice helps.

But illness is as natural as life itself. Medicine allows you to increase the duration of its active phase. Medicines make it possible to live, and not to survive. But not everyone has such an opportunity. Each person has a different income level.

The task of the state is to make the possibilities somehow equalize.

This is important for a person.

But this should certainly become important for the state as well. And preferably in the very near future. If not today, then tomorrow for sure.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 5 February 2021 15: 11
    +28
    But this should certainly become important for the state as well. And preferably in the very near future. If not today, then tomorrow for sure.

    It should ... yes it shouldn't. In today's realities, illness is a business .. and the more they get sick, the better things are for those who make money on it. No one will care about health because it is not beneficial for today's leaders. It is necessary to invest a lot of money in hospitals, schools, universities, the pharmaceutical industry to restore it .. No one needs it .. who has money, they are better off to the "enemies" to get medical treatment .. And who does not .. that did not fit into the market and Chubais does not sorry.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 15: 20
      +22
      Quote: Svarog
      whoever has money, they better fly to the "enemies" for treatment

      So they invest government money in government bonds of other countries. And they have doctors there, and children's schools there, and the property of wives, mothers and grandmothers. They only talk about patriotism here, when the people need to be squeezed a little more. am
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      2. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 5 February 2021 16: 45
        +7
        One grandfather gave advice: "Eat a couple of heads of garlic a day to keep the machine working." At first I did not understand what kind of machine, then I guessed.

        Moral: grandfather does not believe in the state, or pharmacies, or doctors. And he lives an active life.

        Believe in yourself and boost your immunity.
      3. Snail N9
        Snail N9 5 February 2021 17: 35
        +19
        But this should certainly become important for the state as well. And preferably in the very near future. If not today, then tomorrow for sure.

        It's funny to read it. The authorities do not even hide the fact that they do not care about the "lower population" - remember the statements of various officials and deputies like "they did not ask to give birth", "macaroshkas are the same everywhere", etc. - the course has long been taken on "pipe maintenance", that is for sale beyond the cordon everything, from natural resources to food, for which no more than 35 million people are needed. The rest is. will be built, removed, cleaned, etc. migrants, who have priority over the local population, since they are corny cheaper to the state, and easier to maintain, if something is thrown back and business, then, no pensions, no social services, a solid profit from them ... And they don't go to Navalny's rallies ... - the ideal contingent. One gentleman even said about this, that he, they say, spit on how squint-eyed the country's "working" population will be ... the trend is taken to reduce the "garbage population" in all ways ....
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 5 February 2021 17: 06
      +12
      Quote: Svarog
      But this should certainly become important for the state as well. And preferably in the very near future. If not today, then tomorrow for sure.

      It should ... yes it shouldn't. In today's realities, disease is a business ..

      You are absolutely right. Just business. And the goal of the business is the highest possible profit.
      Therefore, you still need to try to find a penny chloropyramine, but suprastin is in every pharmacy, since it costs three to four times more. Inexpensive drugs have almost disappeared from the shelves of pharmacies.
      ... the point, it seems to me, is that the production of drugs (even from the VED list) is not a priority for the state

      What is the priority?
      The country's pharmaceutical industry is in a very interesting direction. It seems that everything is there, but the results are incomprehensible. Import rules. Foreign pharmaceutical companies have built production facilities in Russia, and thus we are solving the problem of import substitution ...
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 6 February 2021 19: 49
        +3
        Quote: Doccor18
        Foreign pharmaceutical companies have built production facilities in Russia and thus we are solving the problem of import substitution ...

        Is this production? One packaging and packaging. How the epidemic happened so immediately and it turned out that we did not produce any active substances ourselves, all from India and China. And those now also have an epidemic ...
  2. U-58
    U-58 5 February 2021 15: 18
    +13
    Ready to subscribe to every word.
    But it is not worth waiting for changes from the word at all.
    The thirst for profit and manufacturers and resellers and pharmacies is encouraged by the state.
    NEP, citizens!
    Free market!
    It is so free that up to 40% of significant drugs are not only expensive, but also the essence of a fake - chuff with chalk.
    Why should they shoot, despite any moratorium.
    The state gave freedom to everyone. Including the sick.
    If you want, you buy, if you don't want, you will die so
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 6 February 2021 11: 30
      +6
      Why should they shoot, despite any moratorium.

      In everything - at all times we ourselves are to blame .. For example, under the great Gaddafi - among other things, they were really shot for counterfeiting drugs. And what was his fate? We - had a great welfare state that really cared about the health of its citizens - and what did we do with it?

      What is the use of blaming the greed of the bourgeoisie and the boorishism of bureaucrats - it's like scolding a dove that he shits on our heads. They cannot be re-educated, they are what they are. They act in accordance with their views. In which there is no place for us, the people. So if you don't want what is worthy, just live, return Soviet power. Everything else is utopia, from the word drown. Socialism is our ONLY chance of survival ... and God forbid that we do not understand this too late ..
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 22: 43
        -8
        Quote: paul3390
        return Soviet power.

        What is that supposed to mean? Do you want another revolution with the Civil War? The State Department and Congress would be delighted! You - or a provocateur am ,or fool And your words can be considered as a call to you know what for!
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 7 February 2021 22: 47
          +5
          You're just a woodpecker. And yes - I call for a change in the social order. Back to socialism. And - what? You, parasites, could sit with a fat backside on the neck of the people in 91, but we can't throw you off? Fuck you!
        2. Revival
          Revival 8 February 2021 12: 48
          -1
          And why a revolution with a civil war?
          You are for the people, for the country, so in the interests of this very people do not arrange all this, but go peacefully
  3. unaha
    unaha 5 February 2021 15: 18
    0
    A well-developed health insurance system, in principle, is able to significantly level the situation. Unfortunately, the level of income does not allow the majority to use it and accordingly develop the system itself.
    But with medicines, the only thing is, use online pharmacies - you can save 10 percent of the cost and get it in one place.
    1. U-58
      U-58 5 February 2021 15: 50
      +8
      The insurance system has reached its perfection only in one - shameless appropriation of money by insurers such as the insured.
      1. unaha
        unaha 5 February 2021 16: 11
        +4
        Sure. In order for her to become different, she needs to work in a competitive environment and with wealthy people.
        The existing one is not capable of anything else, except for the development of funds.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 5 February 2021 16: 11
      +2
      You write:
      Quote: unaha
      Developed health insurance system in principle able to significantly level the situation.

      The author writes:
      Medicines make it possible to live, and not to survive. But not everyone has such an opportunity. Each person has a different income level.
      The task of the state is to make the possibilities somehow equalize.
      This is important for a person.

      To equalize the situation under the new pension legislation, raising the retirement age will equalize everyone: the poor will not need either a pension or medicine in retirement soon; the rich, as before, will not be treated in Russia and will not drink cheap medicines.
      1. unaha
        unaha 5 February 2021 16: 18
        +3
        "The task of the state is to do so that the possibilities are somehow evened out" - in my opinion, the only way to do this is to increase income. After all, we proceed from the existing socio-political formation, there is no other.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 5 February 2021 17: 33
          +5
          Quote: unaha
          After all, we proceed from the existing socio-political formation, there is no other.

          Does it not exist at all, or is it those 2% of the population (which is as much as 3 citizens + families) assure us that there is no better life? We did not choose such a formation. It was presented to us as a result of a coup d'état, not giving a damn about the expression of the will of the Soviet people. Why today should we accept these innovations of the authorities meekly, bending our backs and holding soap and a rope in our hands?
          1. unaha
            unaha 5 February 2021 19: 07
            0
            We have what we have. Capitalism of the early 20th century.
          2. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 22: 48
            -3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Why should we accept these innovations of the authorities without a murmur today, bending our backs and holding soap and a rope in our hands?

            You shit here too? I have already caught you, IPSO-shnik, of provocation, in a parallel branch!
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 5 February 2021 15: 21
    +3
    Medicines are becoming more expensive and not weak.
    They simply increase in price or simply substitute more expensive ones, it doesn't matter. It is expensive, it is a fact.
  5. Rose capone
    Rose capone 5 February 2021 15: 24
    +13
    And, however, there are specific instigators of this beperdel: Murashko, Golikova and others. premieres are current and, especially, a decades-old idler and money-grubber, now gone into the shadows., and the phrase "there is no money, but you hold on" - ANSWER to this article.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 15: 59
      +12
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      Murashko, Golikova and others. premieres, current and, especially, a decades-old idler and money-grubber, now gone into the shadows., and the phrase "there is no money, but you hold on

      Quietly, the guarantor of the constitution considers them to be effective managers who bring benefit in their posts! laughing Don't rock the boat, Putin knows what he's doing. He's a grandmaster! wassat
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 February 2021 16: 34
        +1
        Yes, they are not shy ...
        It is enough to type "madam arbidol" in the search box ...
        They would be shy, -or they would not hang the orders, or the articles from the Wiki would have been demolished beforehand ... And here, how about a cross and panties. (((
  6. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 5 February 2021 15: 29
    +12
    What care can be expected from the wolves in the sheepfold. The bureaucrats live in a mustache. They drive without traffic jams, do not experience problems with medical services, and do not borrow money for food until the paycheck.
  7. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 5 February 2021 15: 32
    +3
    The overwhelming majority of drug production and medical services should be state-owned!

    Since the state is interested in making citizens less sick and, accordingly, it required less costs for treatment, and business wants the opposite, for business the more patients, the more profit.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 February 2021 15: 46
      +11
      Since the state is interested in the fact that citizens are less sick and, accordingly, this required less costs for treatment

      Well, yes .. well .. probably for this reason we are fed with palm oil, the water is of lower quality every year .. hospitals have already been cut by half, and the prices for medicines can no longer keep up .. The state is also not profitable to support pensioners .. and increase retirement age is a vivid confirmation of this. The state and business have been united for a long time - two sides of the same coin. Together they make money from the population ..
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 5 February 2021 16: 09
        .
        Who is feeding you palm oil? What is being pushed into your mouth ?! And vodka is probably poured straight down the throat and then forced to smoke a pack of cigarettes))).

        Don't go to McDonald's and don't eat burgers there.

        And in terms of the number of hospitals, there is no tragedy, to reduce those hospitals that are not in demand, but draw on resources, they are usually located in small villages where there are no necessary doctors and there are not even patients, so everyone goes to district polyclinics and hospitals. But to keep on the balance sheet even such a hospital costs a lot of money for the medical institution to which it belongs.

        Another point is the simple joining of several hospitals to one large one, according to statistics, everything looks as if there are fewer hospitals and all of them have been closed, but in fact the hospitals have not gone anywhere, they were connected to a larger one, which makes it possible to reduce non-medical personnel (accounting, etc. etc.) and optimize costs in general, but according to statistics, now all this will be considered as one hospital.

        That's it.

        Look at the OFMS budget and government spending on medicine - they are growing every year.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 5 February 2021 16: 29
          +6
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Look at the OFMS budget and government spending on medicine - they are growing every year.

          And I see that at the beginning of the 300s, payments for the monetization of medicines were 500 rubles, and now - 300. For 10 rubles, I could buy 5 bottles of moonshine, and now - XNUMX.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 18: 03
          +14
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Don't go to McDonald's and don't eat burgers there

          Sweets, biscuits, mayonnaise, most cheeses (although they write bzmzh there), absolutely all baked goods - all of this contains palm oil. And without any McDucks. wink
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 February 2021 19: 00
            .
            Not all - only cheap ones, just over a million tons of palm trees are imported to Russia.You will never get 32 ​​million tons of confectionery milk of curd cheese, sour cream and everything else that is produced in Russia per year.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 5 February 2021 19: 06
              +11
              Quote: Vadim237
              You will never get 32 ​​million tons of confectionery milk, curd cheese, sour cream and everything else that is produced in Russia per year.

              Are you also a technologist? Then tell us about the proportions .. how much palm oil is added to 1 kg of product .. and the numbers will converge ..
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 20: 32
              +14
              Quote: Vadim237
              Not all - only cheap

              Almost everything, Vadik. Almost all bakeries use palm oil. In terms of cheese, yes, cheap, but this is exactly the segment that is bought by more than half of the population.
              And in Europe, you would get an article soldered for using such ingredients.
              1. depressant
                depressant 5 February 2021 21: 14
                +9
                Rosstat reports that in May 2020, 2,3 times more palm oil was imported into the country than it was done in May 2019. The amount of this product from the May receipt reached 113 thousand tons. In just one month, supplies increased sharply - 1,65 times more palm oil was imported in May than in April 2020.
                And to make it clear.
                In our country, 30% of purchased palm oil is intended for the confectionery industry, 15% goes to the manufacture of bakery products, 25% is involved in the preparation of various fast foods and concentrates, 13% is from dairy production, and 3% goes to the manufacturers of margarines and spreads.

                Now, attention!

                The rate on imported oil from the fruits of the African palm was increased from October 2019, increasing it from 10% to 20%, or rather, canceling preferential taxation. Thus, the government pursued two goals.

                The first.
                Attracting additional money to the country's budget. It is estimated that this measure will make it possible to receive 4,5-5 billion rubles a year. Second.
                Protection of the domestic consumer from the FALSIFICATE of dairy products that filled supermarket shelves when people buy milk, cottage cheese, cheese with a high content of palm oil under the guise of natural products.

                It is hard to believe that by raising the taxation of imported palm trees, the government pursued, among other things, the second goal. It turned out, as it were, by the way, just by itself, and therefore I would not ascribe an accidental achievement to the government as a conscious concern for the population. At the heart of the government's tax movement is getting money into the budget. And the production made a reciprocal gesture. It was reflected in the rise in retail prices. When 2 years ago a small 140-gram pack of butter began to cost 90 rubles, everyone was horrified. Now its price is 137 rubles.
                And every year even such expensive butter tastes less and less like butter. It's just fat.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 9 February 2021 15: 33
                  +1
                  "... In 2020, Alenka wafer cakes were banned for sale in the European Union due to the excess of the norms for the content of genotoxic and carcinogenic substances [9]. Presumably this is due to the use of low-quality palm oil produced by the Russian company Efko [10]. .. "
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2021 11: 26
            -3
            No need to whine, now dairy products are labeled and you can always buy quality products made from milk.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 February 2021 11: 49
              +8
              They write the same on the fence, and there is firewood. wink
              But there is always a weirdo who will unconditionally believe that there is exactly what is written! good
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2021 12: 01
                -2
                This is not written on the fence, but there are penalties for non-compliance with the law.

                But if you like whining about and without, then go on, I'm not bothering you.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 7 February 2021 13: 00
                  +6
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  , and in the law and for its non-observance there are penalties

                  Don't you know that our legislation is often violated?
                  Watch the program of Arkady Mamontov, he clearly shows how Rospotrebnadzor turns a blind eye to the high content of glycedin in the milk fat substitute. It also shows how a palm tree is found in BZMZh oil during analysis.
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 5 February 2021 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The overwhelming majority of drug production and medical services should be state-owned!

      Only as an alternative to commercial, and this applies to all consumer goods under our state capitalism.
    3. Professor
      Professor 5 February 2021 17: 11
      -3
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      The overwhelming majority of drug production and medical services should be state-owned!

      "Must"? It doesn't owe anyone. Stop waiting for help from others. Start taking care of yourself.
      New drug development costs on average billion dollars. This includes clinical trials. The manufacturer, of course, wants to return the money invested before the patent expires. Hence the high price of the medicine. Can the government develop a drug on its own? Maybe, but it will cost over a billion dollars and it will take several times longer. Therefore, your desires are utopia.

      Quote: Author
      It is necessary to oblige all pharmacy chains to have cheap Russian-made medicines on sale. And strictly control the implementation of this instruction.

      To oblige them at a loss? Again in the scoop you wanted where everyone was "obliged"? A pharmacy is a commercial enterprise that strives for maximum profit. Get into the system with your "obliges" and medicines or pharmacies will disappear.

      Quote: Author
      Today, in almost any program on TV or radio, I hear that we are great fellows in creating vaccines against coronavirus.

      What do you want them to tell? That the vaccine still hasn't passed all clinical trials? That Pakistan buys it and Fylystyn receives it free of charge and that no country able to purchase the vaccine against Faizer or Modena buys it? That "there is no power, opportunity, people - everything to" just adjust the production of normal insulin? So what's the deal? Everything is very simple. The development of a drug is a VERY expensive pleasure that requires the most breakthrough technologies and the coolest specialists. With technology, everything is clear anyway. In principle, there is money, but IMHO they will not go into this industry. It is very risky and you have to fight for a long time. But with specialists in general, you have an ambush. How much are biologists paid? And what about chemists? What is the university competition for biotechnology? I think everything is clear. And by the way, not a drop of malevolence. hi

      By the way, were you yourself vaccinated with this vaccine? Why? I, for example, got used to Faizer. Alive and healthy.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 5 February 2021 19: 09
        -2
        "That" there is no power, opportunity, people - everything to "just adjust the production of normal insulin." Three enterprises produce it in Russia.
        "And not a single country is buying that is capable of purchasing the vaccine against Faizer or Modena" - With these you inject all the raw, whipped together ones. Yes, Sputnik V was grafted.
        1. Professor
          Professor 5 February 2021 19: 22
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          "That" there is no power, opportunity, people - everything to "just adjust the production of normal insulin." Three enterprises produce it in Russia.

          I'm talking about normal insulin.

          Quote: Vadim237
          "And not a single country is buying that is capable of purchasing the vaccine against Faizer or Modena" - With these you inject all the raw, whipped together ones. Yes, Sputnik V was grafted.

          Blinded in a hurry passed ALL stages of clinical trials. Your vaccine never went through. Health to you.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 6 February 2021 15: 57
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        The development of a new drug costs an average of one billion dollars.
        New? To hell with them, let them stand, why are the old (competitors of the new), long-paid drugs cost as if they continue to invest in them a billion a year? Is it because otherwise these new ones will not be taken?
        Quote: Professor
        Get into the system with your "obliges" and medicines or pharmacies will disappear.
        No questions asked: to allow the sale of cheap drugs in stores.
      3. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 February 2021 12: 08
        0
        The development of a new drug costs an average of one billion dollars. This includes clinical trials. The manufacturer, of course, wants to return the money invested before the patent expires. Hence the high price of the medicine. Can the government develop a drug on its own? Maybe, but it will cost over a billion dollars and it will take several times longer. Therefore, your desires are utopia.


        Yes?! But the situation with "Sputnik V" shows that a state-owned enterprise can quickly and efficiently create medical products.

        I am not talking about a complete ban on private medicine, I am a supporter of the state system prevailing in the provision of services and in the production of important medicines, and the private one should develop independently under the control of the state. Private pharmaceutical companies have made something useful and their own - for God's sake let them sell at the price they want, but it is not necessary to sell aspirin or its analogue at the price of AIDS drugs.
        1. Professor
          Professor 7 February 2021 12: 49
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Yes?! But the situation with "Sputnik V" shows that a state-owned enterprise can quickly and efficiently create medical products.

          The situation with Sputnik shows that the vaccine has not passed all stages of clinical trials, the developer has not provided all the necessary data and the vaccine has not passed certification. In this way, no medicine will reach patients.

          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I am not talking about a complete ban on private medicine, I am a supporter of the state system prevailing in the provision of services and in the production of important medicines, and the private one should develop independently under the control of the state. Private pharmaceutical companies have made something useful and their own - for God's sake let them sell at the price they want, but it is not necessary to sell aspirin or its analogue at the price of AIDS drugs.

          Not a single state company (correct if I'm wrong) has not developed a single drug in the last 50 years. The state is not capable of this.

          The state is slow, bureaucratic and wasteful.
    4. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 22: 54
      -2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      business wants the opposite, for business the more patients, the more profit.

      Reading your comment fool , you might think. "what are you delusional" (c). If my regional leader had heard this phrase, he would have immediately called an ambulance from the psychiatric hospital to you! Something on the contrary - while I was sick, he called every three days, inquired about his health ...
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 5 February 2021 15: 35
    +3
    Many medicines contain so many side effects that they override the medicinal ones. This is not as scary for an adult as for a child. Medicines from plants are produced only by foreign companies. For us, there is only chemistry. There are no preventive drugs at all. You will not stuff a child with medicines for worms, in which there is more poison than benefit. Although the citrus seed coped well with this, and besides, from him for a child will only benefit. But this plant grows far away from the land, even in Uzbekistan. But what kind of fat will the producer receive.
  9. A_Lex
    A_Lex 5 February 2021 15: 40
    +8
    Hence, medicines for them should either be free, or at a minimum price.

    Hence it would be quite logical organize the release of cheap drugs at the available capacities and subsidize them from the budget.

    Then the first part of the problem will be solved... Moreover, the pharmaceutical industry will begin to develop. Conditions will appear for the modernization of production, for the production of better quality drugs.

    Necessary oblige all pharmacy chains to have cheap Russian-made medicines on sale. And strictly control the implementation of this instruction.

    It should be oblige pharmacists to inform buyers on the availability of not only expensive, but also cheap drugs, explaining the main differences.

    There are still cases when doctors contact manufacturers or pharmacists and prescribe expensive drugs from certain manufacturers. For which they receive a percentage of sales. Such cases should qualify as fraud with the corresponding reaction of law enforcement officers.

    But this is should certainly become important for the state... And preferably in the very near future. If not today, then tomorrow for sure.


    Dear fairy tale lovers! You have just listened to a fascinating tale in which the brutal face of capitalism turns ... the face turns ... the face turns ... into an elegant and handsome face that illuminates you with a sweet smile!

    Thank you for attention!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 5 February 2021 16: 01
      +9
      Quote: A_Lex
      ... into an elegant and handsome face that illuminates you with a sweet smile!

      It looks more like a different part of the body ... repeat
  10. saygon66
    saygon66 5 February 2021 15: 48
    +7
    - Why does our System need the poor and the sick? While rumors about the "golden billion" are circulating "over the hill" - we are confidently bringing it to life ... And what to roll cotton wool - no repression! Shitty medicines and food and other delights of the present life will do their job ... sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 February 2021 19: 31
      -9
      "Shitty medicines and products and other delights of the present life will do their job ..." So you do not buy shitty products, medicines lead a healthy lifestyle and you will be less nervous.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 6 February 2021 11: 08
        +3
        - That's just struggling with the consequences of a healthy lifestyle! wink
        - With food it is more difficult - now only farmers can provide for themselves this ... With medicines it is even more difficult ...
  11. Poetry
    Poetry 5 February 2021 15: 59
    +5
    If I come to the pharmacy and see that the medicines have become cheaper, then I have already died.
    1. domokl
      5 February 2021 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: Poetiszaugla
      If I come to the pharmacy and see that the medicines have become cheaper, then I have already died.

      Last month I bought one of the medicines 25 rubles cheaper than usual. So this is the reason for several days of ill health ... laughing
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 5 February 2021 16: 18
        +4
        good Amused me. Apparently you got to Paradise on Earth. This does not happen with us in Zazhopinsk. Good luck to you.
      2. depressant
        depressant 6 February 2021 00: 25
        +6
        Dear domokl, I confirm.
        In unkind March 2020, the doctor, when discharging me from the hospital, thrust a piece of paper into my hands, from which I, unable to read medical handwriting, only managed to make out "Cardiomagnet". The rest of the drug column was unreadable. I would have to go to the clinic to see a therapist, find out what else is written there, but it was on the day of my discharge, namely March 17, that they declared self-isolation, and I decided not to go to the obvious breeding ground of a dangerous infection and visited a not very obvious one - a pharmacy, where she bought the notorious "Cardiomagnil" for 300-something rubles. And now, having opened a plump volumetric vial at home, I found there 30 tiny heart-shaped pills that dangled lonely at the bottom. So small?!? And 300 rubles?!? ...
        I began to read what it was. It turned out to be just aspirin with magnesium, the simplest compound that does not require the development of the aforementioned billion dollars, even taking into account the tests.
        Well, okay, I began to take it as prescribed, observing all the recommendations, and then I got pretty sick from them, my heart began to hurt, which never hurt at all. In general, I gave up on these pills. But the toad strangled me, I felt sorry for the money spent, and I swallowed those pills all the same - I spent the summer on them. And I kept thinking: how so? About 8 years ago, a pack of aspirin (I bought my mother while she was alive) with 30 hefty pills cost 5 rubles, now I specially bought it - let it lie! - 42 rubles, and this harmful cardiomagnet - more than 300. Madness!

        And that's what I learned.
        In Russia, the state regulates the prices for medicines included in the list of vital and essential medicines. Of the drugs listed by Rosstat, the list of regulated drugs includes only acetylsalicylic acid (this is the simplest ASPIRIN!) In some dosage forms. At the same time, the rise in price of which particular dosage form, dosage and packaging of acetylsalicylic acid was recorded by Rosstat, is not indicated. The maximum selling prices of domestic manufacturers for acetylsalicylic acid included in the VED list are registered in the range from 2,63 to 253,64 rubles, depending on the dosage form, dosage and packaging. For example, acetylsalicylic acid in the form of "effervescent tablets" is not included in the VED list and, accordingly, the price of this drug is not regulated ...
        Apparently, "Cardiomagnet" is not included either. Set the price you want!
        And now tell me, is there a simpler medicine in nature than aspirin? I remember when mother rolled cucumbers into jars, put 1 tablet. He's just a consumable.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 07
          -1
          Quote: depressant
          "Cardiomagnet" for 300-something rubles. And now, having opened a plump volumetric vial at home, I found there 30 tiny heart-shaped pills that dangled lonely at the bottom. So small?!? And 300 rubles?!? ...

          First, not just aspirin, but aspirin and magnesium hydroxide. And secondly, who prevented you from asking for an analogue in the pharmacy? Apparently not in vain the Lord deprives some of the mind! I have to drink this remedy for life, but I buy Phazostabil - 100 tablets for 120 rubles.
          1. depressant
            depressant 8 February 2021 00: 48
            +3
            Dear colleague, I sincerely wish you good health! But I'm not a doctor-goer. Therefore, I have no experience in buying medicines. In my primitive view, all drugs are unique, and if Cardiomagnet was prescribed, then it was necessary to buy it. And, you know, either it was the consequences of the disease, or the medicine hurt: I began to hear my heart, which had never happened before. Now, to find out its frequency, I don't need to feel the pulse, just put my head on the pillow, and the rumble in my ear can make me deaf, I feel uncomfortable. The same frequency - 55 beats per minute, but incredibly loud. Sometimes I go and hear how it beats - I hear it with my ears! At first I was scared, now I'm used to it. Funny, is not it? )))
  12. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 5 February 2021 16: 01
    +7
    The state has fully signed that the health of the nation does not matter to him !!! am Those in power just to fill their pockets, and aspirin for 20 rubles. well, it doesn't fit into this concept ... crying Why for 20, if it is possible for 200 - they will buy it anyway, they will not go anywhere ... That's how we live ... Whoever ruined medicine is in favor. Wait ... But he doesn't care about the rest of the people
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 09
      -5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      The state has fully signed that the health of the nation does not matter to him !!!

      A fool or a provocateur? For some reason I am inclined to believe that - the second!
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 8 February 2021 00: 23
        +1
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        Quote: Corona without virus
        The state has fully signed that the health of the nation does not matter to him !!!

        A fool or a provocateur? For some reason I am inclined to believe that - the second!

        You see - I'm the Enemy of the People lol laughing Nobody believes me that just 50 km from Moscow you can call the ambulance for hours, and then, if you convince her (ambulance) that the person is dying, it will take another 3 days and she will leave am
  13. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 5 February 2021 16: 04
    +7
    I stop reading articles after the phrase "something is getting more expensive", especially because of the companies.

    Nothing rises in price, damn it, but the ruble is getting cheaper!
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 5 February 2021 17: 12
    +5
    "Be strong, the foreign countries will help us." (C) .. There was an article on VO, which tells about the problems of the pharmaceutical industry in Russia .. And the state does not owe anyone or anything, except to municipal and civil servants. Because the rest are working on a private trader or hired workers of the state. And the first and second owe these people only under the collective agreement, and then .. not really.
  15. Tests
    Tests 5 February 2021 17: 51
    +8
    Dear author! The poor should not be healthy, theirs should not be poor, they simply should not be. LONG...
    Doctors in the Russian Federation, according to the May 2012 Decrees, should have received 2 average salaries for a long time in the region.
    For 2020, the average salary in the Arkhangelsk region is 48 rubles, in Arkhangelsk - 200 rubles. This was said by Rosstat ... In Severodvinsk, the average salary should be higher than in Arkhangelsk - the northern ones are higher. I don’t know a single doctor in Severodvinsk - except for those who receive "covid" additional payments, who would receive more than 50 rubles a month (even taking into account night shifts).
    Who will go from schoolchildren to Arkhangelsk to study at the medical faculty for a fee? And on the stomat? And free places in the group: 5-8. For 6 years of study and 2 years of residency, will the amount for the family of a medical student be skoka-skoka? And then the laws of the market - the amount invested in study must be recaptured as soon as possible ... And the young doctor recommends you medicines from a company with which he has an oral agreement - not a criminal, he does not deceive you, he prescribes a highly effective medicine, paying attention to your age, main and concomitant diagnoses, to the general analysis of urine and blood, he was taught this way ...
    Will the pharmaceutical industry develop in the Russian Federation? And then why do Gref and Nabiullina go to work? The development of the Russian Federation is not for them.
    Private pharmacies are tools for making a profit, like everything in business. Article 2 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, part 1. Pharmacies today for how much black, who and how controls? ...
    My eldest daughter came a couple - three years ago to get a job as a doctor in a regional hospital in Voronezh. She told in footage how she received prizes as a student for scientific work in international competitions, where she was on an internship, how she worked in hospital No. 31 of St. Petersburg, that on Krestovsky Island, as she wrote her candidate ... In response I heard: ring? ... Nobody? ... There are no places yet. " I went to a private medical company, they took it right away ... Loot in the Russian Federation wins the good ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 5 February 2021 19: 09
      +10
      Quote: Tests
      Loot in the Russian Federation wins the good ...

      Your comment is more interesting than the article hi good
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 21
      -3
      Quote: Tests
      My eldest daughter came a couple - three years ago to get a job as a doctor in a regional hospital in Voronezh. She told in footage how she received prizes as a student for scientific work in international competitions, where she was on an internship, how she worked in hospital No. 31 of St. Petersburg, that on Krestovsky Island, as she wrote her PhD ... In response, I heard: "Whoa for you ring? ... Nobody? ... There are no places yet. " I went to a private medical company, they took it right there ...

      And what, you are not satisfied with the fact of your daughter's arrangement? And in municipal (essentially state) medical institutions, indeed, there are very severe quotas. And if there are no places, then for the device "on call" they would have to "throw out" someone in order to "free" this place. The closest example is my daughter, an anesthesiologist-resuscitator. After the interview, they took her willingly, without any "calls", all the more so, and there was no one to call, and there was no place for her husband - a surgeon ... Here, a lot depends on the level of professionalism ...
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 5 February 2021 19: 12
    +3
    It is from understanding, on their own state of health, of this very difference in pills, in consumers an opinion about good and bad manufacturing plants has been born and has already taken hold. What we didn’t have before (in Soviet times). Today the patient looks very closely at who produced the medicine.

    (For example, I will never use an analogue of the French Coplavix). Only one company and one manufacturer.

    Blessed memory Mikhail Mikhailovich Zhvanetsky, 70s of the last century:
    <> What's funny: those medicines that we make in detail, exactly keeping up with the technology, we ourselves swallow. And then medical screams are heard - how, exactly according to the formula CH3СОС2Н5 plus methylchlorotilhydrate for a couple - does not help, but exactly the same Swiss bastard takes this bacillus. Again, we check CH3СОС2Н5 for a couple - it does not take, and, which is especially disgusting, they have the same name. Again I say - we ourselves should swallow it!

    <> Those who compare sit, swallow what they take, and look down with regret and think: when will we learn here? Well, Switzerland is a very small country. The Krasnoyarsk Territory covers her like a bull to a sheep. It pushes and works like a diesel engine in the Arctic, but is not able to cure everyone in that distant country where we just flourish.

    <> More carefully, guys, they gave us the formula СН3СОС2Н5 for two hours for a couple - and does not take it. I have to take it ... Maybe I should wash my hands with that hardened kid who holds the flask. He does not want to wash himself by force.
    <> So, I think, if to the same incredible heights that we have reached in the repair, we would have risen in manufacturing, the same Holland would have been lying at our feet with a request to borrow KhTZ for a week. And from the Podolsk sewing machine spies would be driven away like filthy flies. But if you can still joke with the gearbox, then with this powder, I repeat - CH3СОС2Н5 for two hours for a couple - you need to be more careful, because, unlike the camshaft, we take them inside and quickly absorb them, turning green with hope, and then walk with with a microbe and with a medicine inside - this is a double death, from which you have to save yourself with a third solution - again, the Syktyvkar Plant of Deep Medicines. So you need to be more careful, guys.
    <> But again I say: the book can be put aside, you can get out of the cinema, you can grind the crankshaft, but where will you get the medicine for the liver, except in yourself? This is something - CH3СОС2Н5 for a couple - that, unlike the Swiss, does not take a microbe, but, on the contrary, cooperates with it. And if we are talking about population growth, then we would like that not only due to an increase in the birth rate in Asia due to the absence of the same medicines, but also due to the continuation of the painless life of the human race, where furniture, carpets and dishes cannot replace an interesting thing, be then writing these lines or preparing medicines. For this and that is for people, for the most important, internal use.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 5 February 2021 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      70s of the last century:

      Sorry, we humbly ask! This is 1987.
    2. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 31
      -3
      Quote: A. Privalov
      More carefully, guys

      I was at a concert with this Russophobe - anti-Soviet! Scoundrel, worse than Navalny! He left his concert with indignation and a feeling of great disgust! And I never went to one again! The earth is glassy for him!
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 February 2021 08: 54
        +2
        Quote: Igor Aviator
        Quote: A. Privalov
        More carefully, guys

        I was at a concert with this Russophobe - anti-Soviet! Scoundrel, worse than Navalny! He left his concert with indignation and a feeling of great disgust! And I never went to one again! The earth is glassy for him!

        So you too, my dear, as I see it, are not of the Jewish people.
        As the saying goes: "There is nothing to blame on the mirror if the face is crooked."
  17. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 February 2021 20: 46
    +1
    90% of drugs are pointless and useless, cause more harm, but someone paid for those who set the treatment protocols. Example: all doctors howl that antibiotics are harmful with covid and ... from the first day they prescribe azithromycin. Everywhere they say: anticoagulants can only be in a hospital and ... anticoagulants are prescribed for outpatients.
  18. Million
    Million 5 February 2021 21: 12
    +3
    The current state wanted to spit on us. If there is money, they will cure, if there is no money, they will not.
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 5 February 2021 21: 45
    +8
    The poor must be healthy too
    About how! belay
    Who told you this - Golikova, or (it's scary to even think) himself? lol
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 35
      -4
      Quote: Radikal
      Who told you this - Golikova, or (it's scary to even think) himself?

      very interesting! IPso-shnik under the nickname of Stalin! Are you preparing for "labor exploits"? Do not try! Years in advance do not go into experience!
  20. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 5 February 2021 23: 33
    -5
    It is clear that sick people cannot work fully and for the most part live on a pension from the state. Therefore, medicines for them must be either free or at a minimal cost.

    Why exactly?
    Since people do not work, then giving them subsidies for medicines at the state expense means increasing costs significantly, because they will live longer, but they will not work anyway, they will only demand pensions.
    The state is not a charitable organization, and it is not obliged to feed / treat anyone simply because "a good person" (and whether he is good is still a question, if he is for Navalny).
    1. domokl
      6 February 2021 05: 28
      +3
      So we have sunk to fascism ... The state is created for this purpose, to make the life of all, I repeat, all its citizens better. So that children who do not benefit the state grow up in decent conditions, so that the elderly, who can no longer benefit the state, live in decent conditions, so that disabled people live with dignity.
      By the way, judging by your logic, why should the state pay for free education, medicine, and so on? What if the student will support you?
      References to the fact that a person may have other political views are to Hitler.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 6 February 2021 11: 43
        0
        Talk to Hitler? And we don't have Hitler, but for other political views they will kick out at least from work, maximum - prison or death for the most active.
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 7 February 2021 23: 47
          -4
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          for other political views, at least they will be kicked out of work, at most - prison or death for the most active.

          Don't lie! If you are not engaged in anti-state, espionage or terrorist activities - have ANY views, but do not impose them on others! Although, in relation to the traitors to the Motherland, which is Navalny and Co., and this is PROVEN - facts - recommendations to the US Congress on the application of sanctions against Russia, activities under the leadership of the intelligence of the United States and Great Britain, an exceptional measure could (and should!) Be applied earlier ... And those who dance to his "tune" are his accomplices, not "having other views." And there is nothing to pickle here!
      2. Gato
        Gato 6 February 2021 21: 21
        +3
        The state is created in order to make the life of all, I repeat, all its citizens better

        Who told you that? There is another opinion: the state is created to ensure the interests of the ruling class and is a means of suppressing other classes. RF we have a socialist state or a bourgeois state? Whose interests should it protect and whose interests should it suppress?
  21. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 6 February 2021 10: 19
    +1
    "It is necessary to oblige all pharmacy chains to have cheap Russian-made medicines on sale. And strictly monitor the implementation of this instruction."
    This has been obliged for a long time. As a result, the usual and cheap drugs that had been produced for decades disappeared from production, and their place was taken by drugs that are much more expensive, but with the same composition. I just see all these increases very well, since I buy pills for this period every three months. 2 suffered strokes interfere with life somewhat laughing The funniest example: I bought Enalapril at 12 rubles for a pack of 20 tablets. After the new year, the cost of such a pack is, depending on the manufacturer, 65-95 rubles. The pack lasts 10 days. I'm not talking about other tablets, there has long been a price in thousands (if you take it for three months).
  22. Gato
    Gato 6 February 2021 20: 21
    +2
    even a harness does not save from age

    But it saves from smart thoughts. And there are many of them fellow
    For example, I have always believed that healthcare (especially pharmaceuticals), defense, science and education should be the exclusive prerogative of the state. Private capital should be driven away from them with a nasty broom (or better from means of production in general)
  23. Gato
    Gato 6 February 2021 21: 07
    +1
    Once a month, I, like many other Russians, face the same problem.

    Fuh you .. I already thought that the author is a woman .. wassat
    And so yes .. we collide .. the owners of regular partners will not let you lie.
  24. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 6 February 2021 23: 53
    +2
    An eminent foreign drug manufacturer, this is how he responded to the criticism of our press (selling dietary supplements under the guise of drugs): if your (Russian) certification bodies allow the registration of dietary supplements as drugs, why don't we make money? End of quote.
    And so in many ways, the size of the chocolate.
    If our standards allow you to pour poisonous coconut oil into it, then foreign manufacturers (Lindt, for example) do not disdain to poison the Russian people.
    If in exchange for contracts for the supply of tanks, etc. the government allows to pour poison into food, which means that it values ​​the people for whom it serves.
    And our press harasses foreign manufacturers and suppliers because they do not run the risk of producing or selling such drugs or products in their homeland.
    It would be better to unearth who of the deputies lobbied for the import of hundreds of thousands of tons of coconut poison, or the production of fuflomycins under the guise of drugs.
    Thank God, these ghouls were not outsourced to the development and production of a vaccine against COVID, but went the traditional, Soviet way.
  25. Private61
    Private61 7 February 2021 06: 37
    0
    Lord, who needs us pensioners ?, and certainly not this state ...
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 8 February 2021 00: 34
    +8
    Quote: Igor Aviator
    Quote: Radikal
    Who told you this - Golikova, or (it's scary to even think) himself?

    very interesting! IPso-shnik under the nickname of Stalin! Are you preparing for "labor exploits"? Do not try! Years in advance do not go into experience!

    Decipher, or translate into normal language, so that I understand you, "balloonist". lol