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Israel has modernized the Trophy active protection complex

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Israel has modernized the Trophy active protection complex

Israel has modernized the Trophy active protection complex (KAZ). As reported by Jane's with reference to the message of the Rafael company, the upgraded version of the complex received an electro-optical all-round view system.


As the vice-president of the Israeli company Michael Lurie explained, the system received a number of new sensors that significantly improve the operation of the complex "in a number of parameters." The new complex is already being supplied to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for installation on Tanks Merkava Mk 4 and Namer heavy armored personnel carriers. The previously delivered systems will be upgraded to the level of the new complex.

In addition, Israel has already offered the United States to upgrade the Trophy complexes supplied to equip the M1 Abrams tanks of the American army. Rafael announced the completion of the contract for the supply of active protection systems in the United States in early January this year.

It is emphasized that the company is constantly working to improve the Trophy active protection system.

The KAZ Trophy in its previous form has an Elta EL / M-2133 detecting radar with four fixed antennas with a HEADLIGHT, and two rotary launchers that fire buckshot fragmentation shots to destroy incoming anti-tank ammunition.

The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is not capable of hitting sub-caliber shells and high-speed ATGMs. Like other modern protection systems installed on a tank, Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near a combat vehicle.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 3 February 2021 17: 13
    -2
    News from the series - my son is one year older! (What a surprise!)
    The modernization of military equipment is underway even before it is put into service, and Trophy is already at war.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 February 2021 17: 14
    +15
    I have always considered the "chariot" the most comfortable and protected for the crew.
    1. lucul
      lucul 3 February 2021 17: 17
      .
      I have always considered the "chariot" the most comfortable and protected for the crew.

      Take a pie from the shelf.
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 3 February 2021 17: 29
        +3
        Quote: lucul
        Take a pie from the shelf.

        Khomentash! yes
    2. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 3 February 2021 17: 21
      .
      For the war with the Bedouins, in the desert, in the fight against warriors armed with Kalash, spears and arrows, riding camels - of course))

      This tank showed the top, of course)))
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 5 February 2021 10: 12
        +1
        Oh, Jewish lobby detected))
        Zaminusili, shaking side by side))
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 3 February 2021 17: 29
      +3
      I have always wondered why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised). All weapons systems, in the development of which the country has succeeded (UAVs, air defense systems, KAZs of armored vehicles, etc.) are sold ... but tanks are not ...
      1. Roman1970_1
        Roman1970_1 3 February 2021 17: 42
        +5
        Attack drones too
      2. Professor
        Professor 3 February 2021 17: 45
        +4
        Quote: Doccor18
        I have always wondered why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised). All weapons systems, in the development of which the country has succeeded (UAVs, air defense systems, KAZs of armored vehicles, etc.) are sold ... but tanks are not ...

        Because the export ban was lifted only recently.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 3 February 2021 21: 00
          +2
          Quote: Professor

          Because the export ban was lifted only recently.

          It seems to me primarily due to the fact that our production of armored vehicles is a small-scale production and it makes no sense to make a large investment in production for one or two orders.
          1. Professor
            Professor 3 February 2021 22: 02
            +5
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Professor

            Because the export ban was lifted only recently.

            It seems to me primarily due to the fact that our production of armored vehicles is a small-scale production and it makes no sense to make a large investment in production for one or two orders.

            Not. It was just that the Ministry of Defense had a ban on exports. Google it.
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 3 February 2021 22: 45
              0
              Georgia was negotiating the purchase of 200 Merkava tanks.
              .... Roni Melo, the former mayor of Tel Aviv, was selling weapons to Georgia, was responsible for moving the deal to sell 200 heavy Merkava tanks. The deal was canceled at the last moment by the government ....

              1. ironic
                ironic 4 February 2021 00: 04
                +3
                Three. They canceled it because they did not want to spoil relations with the Russian Federation and as a response received a freeze on air defense deals with Iran.
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 4 February 2021 03: 34
            0
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            It seems to me primarily due to the fact that our production of armored vehicles is a small-scale production
            Fuck yourself, what knowledge of economics! lol
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 3 February 2021 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        I have always wondered why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised). All weapons systems, in the development of which the country has succeeded (UAVs, air defense systems, KAZs of armored vehicles, etc.) are sold ... but tanks are not ...


        Can you provide an example of wide advertising?
        Well, maybe the photos of finding the tank at world exhibitions?
        1. avib
          avib 3 February 2021 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Can you provide an example of wide advertising?
          Well, maybe the photos of finding the tank at world exhibitions?


          10 years ago already exhibited .... well, if they don't buy it, they won't buy it. It seems that they do not have time to build for the needs of the IDF.

          1. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 23: 48
            +2
            It seems like they manage 30 pieces a year.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 3 February 2021 21: 11
          +2
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Quote: Doccor18
          I have always wondered why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised). All weapons systems, in the development of which the country has succeeded (UAVs, air defense systems, KAZs of armored vehicles, etc.) are sold ... but tanks are not ...


          Can you provide an example of wide advertising?
          Well, maybe the photos of finding the tank at world exhibitions?

          Eurosatory-2010 in Paris.
      4. XXXIII
        XXXIII 3 February 2021 18: 14
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        I have always wondered why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised). All weapons systems, in the development of which the country has succeeded (UAVs, air defense systems, KAZs of armored vehicles, etc.) are sold ... but tanks are not ...

        Because there will be very bad advertising for the tank, they understand that. Would sell it in good hands, experienced, but these countries have their own tanks.
      5. lopvlad
        lopvlad 3 February 2021 20: 44
        .
        Quote: Doccor18
        why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised).


        because not every country is ready to buy an expensive coffin for tankers. Better and more reliable than Soviet and now Russian tanks, and most importantly, everything is at an affordable price.
      6. bk0010
        bk0010 3 February 2021 20: 50
        +7
        Quote: Doccor18
        why Israel does not export its Merkava tanks (so widely advertised)
        Merkava performs the tasks of a mobile pillbox and is optimized for them. Few (of those who have money) need such a product, prefer something more classic.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 4 February 2021 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: bk0010
          tasks of the mobile pillbox


          rather a mobile coffin that the cornet has repeatedly confirmed.
      7. Hermit21
        Hermit21 4 February 2021 08: 29
        -1
        'Cause this fucking squalor no one needs
    4. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 February 2021 17: 58
      .
      laughing The lads from Hezbollah who pochikalis them at wadi Saluki would gobble up from your post. I won't say about comfort, but security ... Well, if you think. God let you be inside. Although I would choose KV. laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 3 February 2021 18: 04
        +18
        This was before the installation of the KAZ Trophy. Precisely losses in an ambush at wadi Salluk
        became a trigger that accelerated the equipping of all tanks with KAZ Trophy.
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 3 February 2021 18: 11
          0
          winked After installation, apparently there was still no reason.
          1. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 19: 26
            +2
            It was in Gaza. It didn't work.
        2. XXXIII
          XXXIII 3 February 2021 18: 16
          +6
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This was before the installation of the KAZ Trophy. Precisely losses in an ambush at wadi Salluk
          became a trigger that accelerated the equipping of all tanks with KAZ Trophy.

          Double ATGM shot will pass KAZ-trophy?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 3 February 2021 18: 27
            +17
            Yes. The Americans checked this at home, before choosing
            Trophy for Abrams tanks.
            They fired several rockets simultaneously.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 3 February 2021 19: 21
              -1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Yes. The Americans checked this at home, before choosing
              Trophy for Abrams tanks.
              They fired several rockets simultaneously.

              Is it from different sides or in one place? Just an interesting moment after the first shooting, smoke appears, the fire and the system bluntly disguises, and the second one can already pass the KAZ.
              1. ironic
                ironic 3 February 2021 23: 42
                +2
                It is not this moment that is important, but the definition of a tandem shot, then you can calculate the advance and two shots one after the other with the desired interval.
            2. Prisoner
              Prisoner 3 February 2021 19: 26
              -1
              winked Whose missiles were you shooting?
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 3 February 2021 19: 39
                +2
                Quote: Captive
                winked Whose missiles were you shooting?

                Perhaps there are others of our own, or maybe some export ones. Interestingly, "spikes" and "zevelines" pass their own way ?! laughing In general, there the test is needed in full, all types of ATGMs and everything will not be exactly 100%. Not all ATGMs can be found in the required configuration.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 3 February 2021 23: 43
                  +4
                  In general, nothing is 100%, you can only strive for the best protection and improve it as new means of destruction appear.
            3. PROXOR
              PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 10
              -2
              WELL YES?! And how will the trophy reflect a double shot from the RPG-30 Hook from one side?
              An adult uncle and you write nonsense.
          2. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 19: 26
            0
            It won't go away. 30 and the like are taken into account.
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 3 February 2021 19: 43
              -7
              Quote: ironic
              It won't go away. 30 and the like are taken into account.

              Neither Abrams nor Merkov will pass the Terminator. First, the terminator will demolish all the sheds, then he will throw them down. laughing
              1. ironic
                ironic 3 February 2021 23: 33
                +4
                Well, with the Russian Federation, Israel will never get into a clash directly, I hope. The practice of the USSR, again, I hope, is in the irrevocable past. And if it is sold to our neighbors among potential opponents, then on our combat theater, where the Merkava is more relevant, then before approaching it at a 30-mm firing range, the Barak system will calculate it as a primary target and substitute a 120mm cannon , and his ATGM, if I am not mistaken, is not supersonic, which means that Trophy can protect. If, in close combat on a built-up area, then in the relatively near future he will be able to meet with combat vehicles of a smaller mass, much greater maneuverability and density of automatic fire, against the same guns and ATGMs of his combat module, as well as lighter Spikes than long-range NLOS and barrage ammunition. So there will be no answer left.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 4 February 2021 06: 48
                  -1
                  On the "Terminator" is the ATGM "Attack" - supersonic. So the Trophy is ineffective against him.
                  1. PROXOR
                    PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 16
                    0
                    ATGM "Attack" has supersonic speed. Trophy catches everything subsonic. You don't even need to shoot down electronics from guns. A maximum of two ATGMs Attack will send a bunch of dough called Merkava to the scrap metal dump.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 4 February 2021 13: 37
                      0
                      Theoretically possible, but only damage with subsequent restoration is possible. The Merkava has already withstood three hits, while saving the lives of half of the crew. But given its maximum range of 6 km, and the range of the Spike version, which will stand in the uninhabited tower that is being prepared for the Command Namer and ETR Eitan, is 8 km, there is a theoretical answer already now, and with the entry in the near future of the project of a light combat vehicle, which will be equipped with those With the same AI blocks as the Merkava "Barak" series that began in the 21st year, ATGMs with a greater than 6 km range will be guided with its help, with a choice of priority at the speed of an inaccessible human reaction and in its principle of action will be more similar to the combat systems of modern fighter aviation. So you still need to approach 6 km. But it is clear that in battle there is no inoperable technology and in the end it is not the technology that fights, but the soldier and the soldier who is better trained and better informed on the battlefield will win more often.
                  2. ironic
                    ironic 4 February 2021 13: 24
                    +1
                    If it is supersonic, then yes, most likely Trophy will not intercept it.
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 3 February 2021 22: 57
              +5
              Quote: ironic
              It won't go away. 30 and the like are taken into account.

              In the 30s, 2 missiles fly almost simultaneously: the KAZ reacts to the first, almost immediately behind it is a rocket with a tandem charge (against the remote sensing and main armor). And KAZ has time to recharge?
              1. ironic
                ironic 3 February 2021 23: 35
                0
                This has already been completed, the upgrade is not least directed against tandem ammunition. Those. it is against the RPG-30 and others like him. The most important part of the counter is the definition of a tandem shot, the hardware upgrade is easier.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 3 February 2021 23: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: ironic
                  the upgrade is not least directed against tandem ammunition.

                  In addition to the tandem ammunition, the 30 has another rocket flying in front of it.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 23: 46
                    0
                    A double shot is also recognized by the new algorithm. A weapon like the 30 was one of the first targets of the upgrade.
                2. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 19
                  0
                  Do you even understand the difference between TANDEM ammunition and dual launch? FOR YOU, Comrade KASHERNY LUNAKHOD will explain. In the photo, the tandem shot is the main shot in the LARGE pipe. Above, in a small distracting shot, to which your popular trophy will react. It will give a fragmentation element and knock it down and in a second a TANDEM will fly into the Merkava. GO LEARN THE MATCH!
              2. PROXOR
                PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 20
                0
                Hammer explain to him. If he doesn't see the difference between a Tandem shot and a double shot.
            3. PROXOR
              PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 13
              0
              Well, they took into account. How many fragmentation elements in 5 seconds Trophy can shoot aboard. ONE! The hook fires 2 rockets at intervals of less than 5 seconds. They took into account that NEFIGA could not do it. And also haite our urapatriots, and the KASHER patriots aren't they the same?
        3. lopvlad
          lopvlad 3 February 2021 20: 46
          -2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This was before the installation of the KAZ Trophy.


          and now the merkava has apparently become invincible.
          1. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 23: 36
            +2
            Unkillable equipment does not exist, but that does not mean that it does not need to be protected.
      2. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 19: 24
        -1
        To which the tankers themselves reacted in the following way, if it weren't for the Merkava, those who could survive would certainly not have survived. About such a laugh.
        1. poquello
          poquello 3 February 2021 19: 32
          +3
          Quote: ironic
          if it were not for the Merkava, those who could survive would certainly not have survived.

          even familiar, but remembered -
          "because we are a Gang!"
          1. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 19: 49
            -5
            I don’t know, I don’t follow your broadcast.
            1. poquello
              poquello 3 February 2021 20: 15
              +1
              Quote: ironic
              I don’t know, I don’t follow your broadcast.

              ... Here the grandfather comes out on the road with a gun. The gang stops, the grandfather instructs the gun and says: "From all to the stolnik, otherwise I'll hit my muzzles." The bikers are silently throwing off. Grandfather collects money and goes into the forest. The gang stands silently on the road. After about five minutes the leader turns to his people: "Yeah, he took the money, but he was afraid to beat it! And all because we are a gang, a gang!"
              1. ironic
                ironic 3 February 2021 20: 42
                -5
                Following your logic, grandfather, having completely broken several motorcycles, buried three sons, and the gang of one biker and most of the motorcycles repaired in a short time, left, and grandfather was restoring the roof, shed and fence for a long time ... and now not a foot from the cellar.
    5. d1975
      d1975 3 February 2021 20: 15
      +6
      Perhaps, only it is purely for them, how much will it be protected in swamps or in mud on ETVD? YES for them maybe, but nothing more. And if it's easier, just chase the barmaley!
    6. Hermit21
      Hermit21 4 February 2021 08: 28
      -3
      And what does it protect? Holy Jewish armored air? A wretched layout, because of which this brainchild of engineering gaiety will never have normal armor, and the crew "gets" on board even from sharp heading angles?
    7. Alien From
      Alien From 4 February 2021 12: 44
      0
      I agree with the Leader! Jews can!
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 February 2021 17: 20
    +3
    How will this system survive a burst from a large caliber machine gun? From a purely technical point of view ... She does not take high-speed ammunition ... Only ATGMs and those old ones? Although, where did the partisans get modern high-speed ammunition?
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 3 February 2021 17: 25
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How will this system survive a burst from a large caliber machine gun? From a purely technical point of view ... She does not take high-speed ammunition ... Only ATGMs and those old ones? Although, where did the partisans get modern high-speed ammunition?

      Will not survive at all! Actually, they (KAZ) should be hit first of all, including by "sniper fire".
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 3 February 2021 18: 20
        +1
        Quote: Hunter 2
        number of "sniper fire"

        So "anti-material rifles" exist for this.
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 3 February 2021 18: 31
          +4
          Aha ... a Cossack will rush to the tank with a saber ... laughing
        2. The popuas
          The popuas 3 February 2021 18: 32
          -2
          Aha ... a Cossack will rush to the tank with a saber ... laughing
      2. Old tanker
        Old tanker 4 February 2021 06: 55
        +3
        This is just if partisans / saboteurs from an ambush. In a combined-arms battle against a maneuvering target with effective cannon fire at a distance of about 2000m, it is very difficult to hit a KAZ with precise "sniper" fire. The tank itself would be hit.
    2. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 19: 30
      +1
      This is not a game and there are no techniques with indestructibility. And she is experiencing a return shot at the firing point. Like any other technique.
      Supersonic does not take, but subsonic takes new ones.
    3. d1975
      d1975 3 February 2021 20: 18
      +5
      Don't worry, they have to sell or get it. As Syria has shown, there would be a desire, but they always have opportunities. You know how many things have surfaced there as well as I do. hi
    4. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 4 February 2021 07: 24
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How will this system survive the burst from a heavy machine gun?

      like any mortal system.
  4. Russ
    Russ 3 February 2021 17: 21
    +2
    In addition, Israel has already offered the United States to upgrade the Trophy complexes supplied to equip the M1 Abrams tanks of the American army.

    Have sunk ... Israel teaches "hegemons" ... belay
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 4 February 2021 11: 27
      -1
      Quote: Russia
      Have sunk ... Israel teaches "hegemons" ...

      It has long been known that the United States is ruled by world Jewry - even before Israel was created.
  5. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 3 February 2021 17: 21
    +7
    It looks something like this.

  6. Mouse
    Mouse 3 February 2021 17: 26
    +4
    No .... technology for that and technology ... requires modernization over time, what's the news? Are the states teaching?
  7. Professor
    Professor 3 February 2021 17: 43
    +13
    The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is not capable of hitting sub-caliber shells and high-speed ATGMs.

    The complex is designed to defeat relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is the only KAZ in the world installed on combat tanks and the only KAZ in the world with successful combat experience. It is not reported whether it is capable of hitting sub-caliber shells and high-speed ATGM.

    Like other modern protection systems mounted on a tank, Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near a combat vehicle.

    Unlike other modern protection systems installed on a tank, Trophy not imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near a combat vehicle, so the probability of hitting infantry is less than one percent.

    PS
    No thanks for editing. hi
    1. poquello
      poquello 3 February 2021 17: 53
      -8
      Quote: Professor
      Trophy does not impose serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near the combat vehicle, so the probability of hitting infantry is less than one percent.

      and the American infantry will come and beat your face when you hurt yours
      1. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 19: 39
        0
        Or he will thank that there is something to hide from RPGs, including the latest models. wink
        1. poquello
          poquello 3 February 2021 20: 20
          -4
          Quote: ironic
          Or he will thank that there is something to hide from RPGs, including the latest models. wink

          what? this garbage does not fight with cotton balls from the RPG, stand next to good people))))))))))))))
          1. ironic
            ironic 3 February 2021 20: 36
            +2
            Yeah, and they stand behind Namer, and he fights back with these very balls. As in that joke - you don't see, but she is. In Gaza, they also laughed at first, they don't laugh anymore.
            1. poquello
              poquello 3 February 2021 21: 43
              -4
              Quote: ironic
              Uh-huh and are behind Namer

              and under the hamer it is generally quite calm))))))))))))))
              1. ironic
                ironic 3 February 2021 21: 57
                +3
                And on the battle couch it is even calmer. wink
                1. poquello
                  poquello 3 February 2021 22: 01
                  -4
                  Quote: ironic
                  And on the battle couch it is even calmer. wink

                  that's right, no need to write
                  Quote: Professor
                  Trophy does not impose serious restrictions on the presence of infantry at the combat vehicle
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 22: 10
                    +3
                    Why are you writing? You are clearly not behind Namer now. And do not lie under Hamer.
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 3 February 2021 23: 48
                      -4
                      Quote: ironic
                      Why are you writing? You are clearly not behind Namer now. And do not lie under Hamer.

                      gyy, who forbids you to write?

                      made bucephals)))))))))))))))
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 3 February 2021 23: 54
                        +5
                        Actually, as a reservist, I drove this


                        And judging by the photo you dug up, the humor turned out to be so dreary, despite the number of emoticons ...
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 4 February 2021 00: 08
                        -6
                        Quote: ironic
                        And judging by the photo you dug up, the humor turned out to be so dreary

                        and what? what do not you intend? the inscription is wrong?
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 7 February 2021 20: 29
                        +1
                        The language is not the same. The mentality is not the same. The monumentality is not the same. And they poured a lot of vodka until they measured it. It didn't work out kosher. wink
  • poquello
    poquello 3 February 2021 19: 25
    -9
    Quote: Professor
    the only KAZ in the world with successful combat experience

    )))))))))))))))))))))))))) The arena is more experienced, do not be funny
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 19: 38
      +2
      And a list of reflected blows can be? At least partial, in a combat situation.
    2. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 4 February 2021 09: 09
      +2
      the arena was tested more, do not tell

      You are not funny. Well, how many tanks do we have this "Arena"? On exhibits? Or in parts of the "Arbat" military district? In Chechnya, where have you seen this "Arena" much? Where she was needed most! They did, yes. That's all.
  • ironic
    ironic 3 February 2021 19: 36
    +1
    Now they will tell you that you have no idea what the infantry is and you don't even know what the bull "Py" is, because this is the letter of the Russian language, and you are an Israeli. It is said that it amazes, it is read out. It says in Russian. And in Hebrew it may not amaze, but this is not a portal in Hebrew! wink
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  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 3 February 2021 18: 12
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles


    And speaking of relatively low-speed ATGMs - what specific missiles can be cited as an example? Of course, from among those that a potential enemy of Israel may have, for example, from among its neighbors?
    9M133, for example, will this KAZ stop?
    This is the most likely thing that can be fired at Israeli tanks. (The most common missile, the most common export version of the Kornet-E.)
    M
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 19: 41
      +1
      All subsonic ammunition.
    2. Professor
      Professor 3 February 2021 21: 36
      +5
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Quote: Professor
      The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles


      And speaking of relatively low-speed ATGMs - what specific missiles can be cited as an example? Of course, from among those that a potential enemy of Israel may have, for example, from among its neighbors?
      9M133, for example, will this KAZ stop?
      This is the most likely thing that can be fired at Israeli tanks. (The most common missile, the most common export version of the Kornet-E.)
      M

      Already stopped.

      PS
      "Israel" is a proper name. It is written with a capital letter.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 3 February 2021 23: 37
        -6
        For the film, KAZ worked on "Cornet", Vampire "and" Competition. "According to the" Cornet ", the speed of his rocket was not found (it says" to sonic "), but according to others - not very high:
        RPG-29 "Vampire" rocket speed 255 m / s
        9M113 "Competition - rocket speed 208 m / s

        Our KAZ "Arena works against ammunition at speeds of 70-700 m / s
        1. Professor
          Professor 4 February 2021 07: 18
          +7
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Our KAZ "Arena works against ammunition at speeds of 70-700 m / s

          Your KAZ Arena works exclusively on advertising brochures. The troops do not have it, there is no experience of combat use.
  • Ugakhan
    Ugakhan 3 February 2021 18: 24
    .
    Let them poke themselves into Lebanon
    and will burn as before.
    Hezbollah is incredible too
    hardened and strengthened in battles.
    This ad for the fighters
    Hezbollah calls
    Homeric laughter.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 February 2021 18: 38
      +11
      From what they were tempered in Lebanon. Israel can raze the whole of Lebanon from the face of the earth with air raids alone.
      1. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 19: 44
        +4
        Even with all the disgrace during the Second Lebanon, the losses of the Hezbalons were at least 3 times more than Israel's, according to various sources, and Israel was completely unprepared for that war.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 32
        -5
        And Russia will not even do a raid. One Satan. And on you the Eraser, on the map. Erase your Israel! Found something to boast about.
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 23: 10
          -2
          One more zhahnut Topol ... You would at least ask about the minimum range of a combat launch and the estimated area of ​​destruction with 10 heads. What else, in the crotch, Satan? Read at least your like-minded people, only with Topol and only zhahnut. You open the lid of the combat sofa and start.
    2. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 19: 42
      +3
      And this is probably why their older bearded guys in skirts sit in bunkers in Lebanon and are afraid to laugh even before being emptied.
    3. avib
      avib 3 February 2021 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: Ugakhan
      Let them poke themselves into Lebanon
      and will burn as before.
      Hezbollah is incredible too
      hardened and strengthened in battles.
      This ad for the fighters
      Hezbollah calls
      Homeric laughter.

      Already hardened in battles with ISIS.
      Jihadmobiles, Toyota with a machine gun and as the crown of creation - T55. Hezbollah has become tempered nepadetski.
      It’s just that ISIS decided not to use ground attack aircraft, attack helicopters, new tanks and missiles. We decided to hold back for the future.
    4. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 February 2021 21: 01
      +7
      Quote: Ugakhan
      This ad for the fighters
      Hezbollah calls
      Homeric laughter.

      On the couch, in the village of Gadyukino, yes, yes, they laugh laughing

      But in the Dakhniya region (the stronghold of Hezbollah), 700 families commemorate their own and mostly cry, and the hero with the sonorous Russian word is really in his pants and hides to this day in the pits, before there was a similar hero, the same rope is well oiled.
  • cmax
    cmax 3 February 2021 19: 39
    +8
    Well what can I say, well done, take care of their guys as much as possible. Of course, if the Ministry of Defense built synagogues for them and introduced a new dress uniform for marshals, this might not have happened! But on the parade, how beautiful the new dress uniform of the Russian army looks. Active defense for vehicles can wait.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 February 2021 19: 40
    -3
    Against the "barmaley" the very thing ... BUT, the "barmaley", now, arm themselves not childishly !!! and the army will always have an opener for any "can" !!!
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 3 February 2021 20: 39
    -2
    Against a pair, with a minimum interval, launching an ATGM, it will not work - more precisely, it will only work against one ATGM, the second quietly flies up and hits the target. The range of the upgraded Kornet-D is up to 10 kilometers, the armor penetration is 1400 mm of homogeneous armor, while the Merkava's armor has the equivalent of 1200 mm, and the aimed firing range is at least three times less than the Kornet’s firing range when meeting this ATGM " Merkava "will not be good.
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 22: 05
      +1
      The upgraded version was introduced precisely for the sake of successfully countering tandem ammunition. So it will work, it will work. It is for these ATGMs that Merkava and Namer upgrades will be carried out, and the "barrack" combat system with AI elements for the last four, was created precisely so that such shooters from the otvetka would not have good luck and did not have time to fade.

      PS Namer, due to the absence of a heavy turret and a gun, is more armored than the Merkava.
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 3 February 2021 22: 38
        0
        Tandem and lead charge are not the same thing. Vryatli "Trophy" can easily "digest" the blows of "Hook".
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 00: 01
          +3
          One of the direct goals of the upgrade is to block the way for Hook and the like.
      2. Alt 22
        Alt 22 4 February 2021 09: 49
        -2
        Don't worry - it won't work, that's why it won't work because the rate of fire of the system is too low. And armor penetration - the "Cornet" has already drilled holes in your "Merkavas", moreover, the old, not modernized - the Arabs would not give a new weapon to test on you)
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 13: 42
          0
          That is why they have modernized, now the visibility is sufficient and the algorithm is appropriate and the rate of fire is sufficient, and even a quick turn of the tower for testing from both sides on the double launch of double ammunition is provided by the algorithm. I'm not worried, I know why programmers eat their bread in defense projects, I myself participated in two.
      3. Alt 22
        Alt 22 4 February 2021 09: 55
        -1
        ATGM launch range - ten kilometers. What is the effective range of the Merkava cannon? )

        And it will not work, because Trophy does not work against high-speed ammunition at all, and even more so against high-speed ammunition.
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 13: 49
          0
          Most likely it will not protect against supersonic ones, and if this is a launch from 6 km, then the gun will not protect either, but these are not mobile launch systems, but from combat vehicles the Spike released at 8 km from the Nemra tower or Eitan, who is starting its production cycle this year, will protect it from combat vehicles. The first version of the Trophy also defended the Cornet. In addition, no one canceled the possibility of the presence on the battlefield and barrage of ammunition, especially in highly rugged and / or built-up areas, where close combat is likely.
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 4 February 2021 20: 07
            -1
            You won't see a disguised ATGM crew even from three kilometers, even after launch, let alone from five to ten. And the "spike" loses in range to the "Cornet" by 2 km.
            "The first version of the Trophy also protected the Cornet" - but not from the double launch.
            1. ironic
              ironic 4 February 2021 22: 39
              0
              It was so in the battles of the past. In battles in the near future, armor will see targets not much worse than fighters see them today. The next generation of combat systems will be just that. And this is just one of the versions of the ER Spike has a range of 8 km, the LR is even lighter than 5.5 km. But there is also NLOS and with a range of 25-30 km according to various sources. And the second version will protect against doubles. Not 100%, no one has such efficiency, but it will seriously reduce losses. But who will protect the combat vehicle with the Cornet after the shot?
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 7 February 2021 20: 30
                -1
                Now, if, not when and if, this will happen, then talk. By the way, if the armor gets the opportunity to see targets no worse than fighters, then ATGMs will also receive it. And the Russian "Hermes" ALREADY hit over a hundred kilometers, and just have a supersonic flight speed, that is, your "Trophy" is not intercepted in principle - what did you say about the "five-kilometer spike"? ))) Don't tell my slippers!
    2. Reader 2013
      Reader 2013 3 February 2021 22: 16
      +2
      Curious how often you shoot 10 kilometers
    3. poquello
      poquello 3 February 2021 22: 33
      -1
      Quote: Alt22
      Against a pair, with a minimum interval, launching an ATGM, it will not work - more precisely, it will only work against one ATGM, the second quietly flies up and hits the target.

      and what is the difficulty then? leads two goals and that's it, one to one is already a big question, but what are the problems
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 4 February 2021 09: 50
        -1
        The difficulty is in the low rate of fire of the mortar complex.
        1. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 23: 06
          -1
          Sufficient rate of fire there.
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 7 February 2021 20: 16
            0
            Have you checked against the new Russian ATGMs? Not? Goodbye.
            1. ironic
              ironic 7 February 2021 20: 31
              0
              Against everything, they check what can get to our enemy. Better goodbye. Anyway, don't write anything interesting.
              1. Alt 22
                Alt 22 7 February 2021 20: 36
                +1
                Oh, and how could you check on the newest Russian ATGMs, if Russia does not sell them to you, but a liar with dyslexia? It is immediately clear that the Internet was turned on in the Durkee)
                1. ironic
                  ironic 7 February 2021 20: 46
                  0
                  If you sold it to our potential opponents, it means either it was bought from someone you need, or it was stolen from someone you need, often and at the same time with whom you need it, this usually does not take a long time. Well, of course, there is internet in Durkee, you write, then it is there. wink
                  1. Alt 22
                    Alt 22 17 February 2021 20: 06
                    +1
                    I repeat once again - the Russian Federation does not export the latest anti-tank systems. Treat your dyslexia, and you will be happy - but this is not certain)
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 18 February 2021 11: 24
                      0

                      What is not exported and whether there is an appropriate opposition to it can not be discussed, because what is in the hands of the intelligence services, we do not know by anyone, unless of course they do not take out the whole Pantsyr from somewhere.

                      Dyslexia is not cured, but it is partially bypassed with the help of certain methods, first learn at least something about the third. Here you will not have it, due to limitedness, malice and a desire to harm someone, as a function of a complex nature.
                      1. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 28 February 2021 20: 00
                        0
                        There is no official export data, which means that all your statements that your KAZ was tested on new Russian models of ATGM are false. Congratulations, you, citizen, have lied!
                        "Dyslexion cannot be cured" - is the pathological desire to lie part of your disease, or part of your culture?
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 28 February 2021 20: 17
                        0
                        These newest ATGMs have not yet come on a par with the latest generations in guidance systems, and are you rubbing me something about sovramshi? Go go sick, talk to your devils, they buzz in your ears that some kind of boch is talking to you. The pathological desire for lies is part of your boch, called devils in the common people. This is both part of your disease and part of your lack of culture and part of your zombie-devilism.
                      3. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 28 February 2021 21: 11
                        0
                        This is how their developers told you that they didn’t come out? And you all believed, right? )
                        "Painful" is you, the patient is inadequate with dyslexia and not only with it, judging by your hysteria. Do you have any children? Recommend them to buy real estate in other countries - the main thing is not in the region, and not in Muslim countries, believe me, it will be very useful to them, you will still be grateful to me for the advice.
                      4. ironic
                        ironic 28 February 2021 21: 30
                        -1
                        And what has already happened to the GOS with the defeat of the target out of sight? Not. only in development. Therefore, yes, he did.

                        Well, you are sickly inadequate, evil, illiterate and stupid, like a cork. Yes, there are two. Already recommended. Before buying real estate, study the use of IWI systems such as Tavor, and I have already worried about real estate, they will have to protect it. And they themselves know that their dad served in two armies, knows how to use weapons well and would prefer an automatic 15-round version of the TS-12, 12 gauge, buckshot. For the honorable death by my hand still needs to be earned. Now you will be hysterical, yes.
                      5. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 7 March 2021 11: 25
                        0
                        The tests of "Hermes" were completed back in 2003, teach materiel.
                        Targets are destroyed from a distance of up to 100 km, the rocket destroys the target by diving at it vertically into a funnel in the "dead zone", and at a speed of over 1000 meters per second - almost 4 mach, that is, the "Windbreaker" has no chance of intercepting it - even in In the event of an explosion, the percussion pestle formed when the charge is triggered still hits the target.

                        "To deserve death" - you are hysterical, dyslexic) "Honorable death" - ek poked you)))
                      6. ironic
                        ironic 9 March 2021 13: 25
                        0
                        You don't know what hardware is, or what it is to learn. You even have no idea what an ATGM is and how it differs from an Air-Surface or Surface-Surface URS. In addition, the normal range of your URS is 20 km. And he gets 100 at the expense of a large-caliber accelerator. In 2003, it was only presented as an aviation version of the URS. And for a shot at 100 km, he needs a radar. Learn at least something, zombie.

                        You have a permanent zombie hysteria and a patriotic zombie. You don't even have brains like bone. Therefore, you even have nothing to poke around, except for all sorts of batherts.
                      7. Alt 22
                        Alt 22 April 22 2021 19: 09
                        -1
                        If you need it, it will work from aviation from a hundred km, but no, it will fly to you from 20 km, and you cannot do anything about it, you simply will not have time.
                        By the way - the administration removed your comment on the topic "The Syrian Pantsir-S air defense missile system intercepted the Israeli high-precision bomb GBU-39"
                      8. ironic
                        ironic April 24 2021 23: 16
                        -1
                        Are you talking about your Natsik tantrum? Are you satisfied with your reflection? Serves you right. Rookoblud. What kind of aviation? A pot from under your couch? Well, wait for it to take off.
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 4 February 2021 07: 34
    +2
    Quote: Alt22
    Against a pair, with a minimum interval, launching an ATGM, it will not work - more precisely, it will only work against one ATGM, the second quietly flies up and hits the target.

    maybe you are right.
    but everyone who was next to a moving tank (even during exercises) knows that a tank is a dangerous thing and the earth shakes around it (and not only the earth).
    especially if he is trying to send you to the banks of the glorious river Styx and therefore it is dumb and difficult to hit him with one rocket from close range. "paired" attacks to simultaneously attack this is already from the category of blockbusters.
    1. Alt 22
      Alt 22 4 February 2021 09: 52
      -1
      The possibility of paired missile launch was originally incorporated in Russian ATGMs, learn materiel:

      The automated launcher of the Russian ATGM is capable of launching two missiles in one laser beam at one target almost simultaneously. The missiles are sent with a difference of a split second, and if the first missile is disabled by the active defense, then the second successfully hits the target.


      https://rostec.ru/news/kornet-em-groza-ne-tolko-dlya-tankov/
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 February 2021 23: 05
        -2
        But now the possibility of detecting a double launch and destruction is included in the new version of the Trophy.
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 7 February 2021 20: 17
          0
          Did you just make this up?
          1. ironic
            ironic 7 February 2021 20: 22
            -1
            The algorithm was still in the first version, including the high-speed rotation of the turret towards the shot. Now it is fully implemented.
            1. Alt 22
              Alt 22 7 February 2021 20: 38
              0
              Yeah, from the fact that a charge with a penetration of 1200 mm will fly into the forehead of a tower with the equivalent of 1400 mm of homogeneous armor, you will certainly feel much better))) You have ammunition rack and half of the equipment is just in the tower, right?
              1. ironic
                ironic 28 February 2021 20: 20
                0
                Dummy, the turret's forehead is now guarded by the ability to hit two double shots from different directions from both launchers on either side of the turret. Go to your devils already, otherwise they have bitten your whole liver, your boch is waiting for you.
                1. Alt 22
                  Alt 22 28 February 2021 21: 08
                  0
                  You can tell this to the families of tankers who died as a result of a meeting with Russian ATGMs. As they say - blessed is he who believes)
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 28 February 2021 21: 33
                    0
                    Not so many of them died, taking into account the intensity of the battles and this in the absence of KAZ. And from the moment of his presence, not a single KAZ or RPG on the Merkavas has passed. Kuku, we've arrived. Jews are not commanded to believe, Jews are commanded to know. Go through the topics, watch the video with the Cornet knocked down by the Windbreaker and more than one. wink
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=667aY0a6_VQ
                    1. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 7 March 2021 11: 19
                      0
                      Yes, how many obsolete Russian MANPADS were delivered to the region for testing - so many tankers died, everything is correct.
                      And the task of overcoming the KAZ was solved a long time ago, the only question was whether the ATGM would pierce your armor or not - it turned out that even outdated samples can cope with this. And consider that there is no KAZ for you - after all, there is a pair launch. And there is a triple one. And there is the launch of four missiles at once almost simultaneously - you are our dear dyslexic, turn on your brains and understand that your systems are powerless against Russian weapons, you can overload ANY air defense system - and if ATGM and KAZ are considered as missiles and air defense, then the task is solved without problems ! You do not know how to intercept fast-flying missiles, you learned to intercept a twin launch with great difficulty, that is, you can no longer intercept either a missile with a speed of only 3-4 mach, or several missiles that are divided into false targets and the ammunition itself. you can!
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 9 March 2021 13: 35
                      0
                      Any system can be pierced. The question of how many will be required will fall on one tank, which, from the next version, will have a full-fledged AI and the ability to destroy a duplicate launch on each side and two such launches in the direction of turret rotation. And the tank, especially in the after the Syrian and after the second Lebanon concept of warfare, never goes completely alone anymore, and those who are behind it are just waiting to detect someone's brave shot and shoot at it from the UAV, from hand-made art and polish it art, and this is not counting the tank gun itself, adjustable 120mm mines from mobile mortars that hide behind TBMPs, protected even better than the Merkavas themselves, which beat at 9-12 km, depending on the type of mine and NLOS Spikes, which beat at 25 more with an active seeker. And it's time for you, an illiterate goof, to know that not a single ATGM can fly at a speed of 3-4M, and the Hermes is not an ATGM at all!
                    3. Alt 22
                      Alt 22 April 22 2021 19: 04
                      -1
                      Don't be ridiculous - you don't know how to intercept high-speed projectiles even today, especially paired high-speed ones, about hypersonic targets of the "shock core" type, you have no means of counteraction, even theoretically.
                      The art of the tank does not work at the distance of the ATGM shot, but while the crew (IF he is able to detect the launch) will transmit the coordinates of long-range artillery or UAVs (which, as practice has shown, in Syria and Libya are simply wonderfully reset to zero by "Armor" and "Torah"), he will fly more than once - for example, from a thing that exploded a few tens of meters from above, for an impact pestle flying at a speed of 5 km / s, this distance is not a problem.
                      "that not a single ATGM can fly at a speed of 3-4M" - teach materiel, Jew, are you kind of smart? It is not necessary to fly an ATGM.
                      In addition, it does not fly today, but tomorrow, at the terminal area of ​​the territory, it will fly. And you cannot intercept it.
                      "" Hermes "is not an ATGM at all" - it will become easier for you if your tanks are destroyed by "not ATGMs at all"? laughing
                    4. ironic
                      ironic April 24 2021 23: 21
                      -1
                      Nobody knows how to intercept high-speed projectiles yet. But Spikes from helicopters and UAVs, as well as ground ones, work at this distance. And I don’t know the Armor and Torah in Libya, but in Syria they are remarkably zero. You are only about to teach something not three, you didn’t learn, smart Jews or not is not the point, you’re definitely not. The only real danger is your prying pot if you turn it over in the heat of battle. lol
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 3 February 2021 20: 56
    -1
    The complex is designed to destroy relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is not capable of hitting sub-caliber shells and high-speed ATGMs. Like other modern protection systems installed on a tank, Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry near a combat vehicle.


    did, did but did not complete?

    for this is
    the upgraded version of the complex received an electro-optical all-round viewing system.
    and it
    the system received a number of new sensors that significantly improve the operation of the complex "in a number of parameters"
    it is clearly not capable of improving protection against the same tandem ammunition, because the algorithm of the complex operation remains the same.


    is the only KAZ in the world installed on combat tanks and the only KAZ in the world with successful combat experience


    combat experience in the war with whom?
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 3 February 2021 21: 31
      +1
      Quote: lopvlad
      combat experience in the war with whom?

      Well, at least with this
      1. poquello
        poquello 3 February 2021 22: 36
        -4
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Quote: lopvlad
        combat experience in the war with whom?

        Well, at least with this

        thrown boxes at you?
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 3 February 2021 23: 36
          +4
          Quote: poquello
          thrown boxes at you?

          If your profession is a cook, then you accidentally came to this site.
          AND IF YOU WORK FOR "POVORA", THEN ALL WAY lol
    2. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 22: 07
      0
      The algorithm did not remain the same, even something in the hardware has changed.
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  • yfast
    yfast 4 February 2021 01: 33
    -1
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    Quote: lopvlad
    combat experience in the war with whom?

    Well, at least with this

    Where is the photo from? If from Damascus, then everything seems to be legal, against the Turks there are all.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 4 February 2021 07: 36
      0
      Quote: yfast
      Where is the photo from? If from Damascus, then everything seems to be legal, against the Turks there are all.

      there is no discussion of international law right now.
      conversation about the used weapons.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 4 February 2021 20: 56
        0
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        conversation about the used weapons.


        a box with markings in our time does not say anything at all.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 5 February 2021 11: 01
          0
          Quote: lopvlad
          a box with markings in our time does not say anything at all.

          there is a kind of people to whom nothing says anything.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad 7 February 2021 14: 43
            0
            Quote: Maki Avellievich
            to whom nothing says anything.


            photo taken do not understand where and do not understand when the evidence is taken either by children or by those adults who piously believe in "gentlemen". And in today's "digital" time, only one who possesses critical thinking and applies it when processing any information received by him, regardless of which media the information was received from (Russian or Western, opposition or state), deserves to be called a person. If this is not the case, then you are just a puppet in the hands of one or the other (depending on who you trust unquestioningly).
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 7 February 2021 20: 58
              0
              Quote: lopvlad
              photo taken do not understand where and do not understand when the evidence is taken either by children or by those adults who piously believe in "gentlemen". And in today's "digital" time, only one who possesses critical thinking and applies it when processing any information received by him deserves to be called a person.

              this can be said about any photograph and every letter written in the press.
              so now, we will not present any photos and quotes?
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 February 2021 05: 51
    +1
    I am not a great connoisseur in KAZ (30 years ago I stood at the source and went the other way), but in the description of the system I can see at least one hole - two movable guns. Those. the system will not be able to react when 3 missiles / grenades are simultaneously approaching from different directions.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 4 February 2021 09: 22
      -1
      aha! And if it falls into the square of defeat of the SZO, then it certainly will not survive ...
      Have you seen enough militants ???
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 40
        -1
        You "drukh" do not confuse God's gift with eggs. Everything that can now stop KAZ was developed 30 years ago and is in service with the same Hezbola and similar formations. In the event of a clash with a serious enemy, your trophy will only spread its arms. For the speed will intercept Trophy 250m / s, and the same ATGM Attack has a speed of 550m / s. It is better to upgrade the doors on the merkavas to run faster and more conveniently))))
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 4 February 2021 11: 16
          -1
          Well, let’s "dYuh", hurry up and give the Hezbalons your waffle under the formidable name "Attack" (it will not work. I think I won't have to wait long ...
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 4 February 2021 13: 13
            -2
            Well DYK then you don't have to grovel about the WUNDERWFLEE trophy that has no analogues in the world, all that. Remember once and for all. The first KAZ is called DROZD and it was developed in the USSR.
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            2. ironic
              ironic 4 February 2021 22: 45
              -2
              No, not a wunder never, but a combat weapon, tested in a combat situation and mass-produced, and now modernized. How many Drozdov are in the troops today and which country?
              And for the trophy, it reminded me of a cartoon - "well, what a hippo are you, when you are a hippo!" (C) lol
        2. ironic
          ironic 4 February 2021 22: 52
          -1
          Do you at least read where it is installed first.
          How many Attacks were sold by the RF Ministry of Defense to Syria? Lebanon? Directly with flight complexes or Terminators? How do you imagine it? Do you completely deny the adequacy of the RF Ministry of Defense?
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 35
      0
      It's even easier. Two shots from one side with an interval of a second and KAZ will no longer save.
      1. ironic
        ironic 4 February 2021 22: 47
        -1
        It's still as easy as shelling pears, this upgrade, in particular, was conceived to save from this too.
    3. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 5 February 2021 11: 03
      -1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      I am not a great connoisseur in KAZ (30 years ago I stood at the source and went the other way), but in the description of the system I can see at least one hole - two movable guns. Those. the system will not be able to react when 3 missiles / grenades are simultaneously approaching from different directions.

      the fact of the matter is that the source with time and the path traveled can turn into Amazonas or the Dnieper.
      you don't have to stand at the origins, you have to move forward from them.