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The first F-15EX fighter built for the US Air Force begins flights

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The first F-15EX fighter built for the US Air Force begins flights

The first promising American multifunctional fighter F-15EX built for the US Air Force made its maiden flight. The plane took off from the airfield of the Boeing Corporation in St. Louis.


It is reported that the first F-15EX fighter assembled for the US Air Force took off on February 2, 2021 and stayed aloft for a total of 90 minutes. The flight was originally planned for February 1, but was postponed due to unfavorable weather conditions. According to the corporation, flight tests of the fighter will continue in the near future.

Thus, Boeing began testing fighters from the first batch of eight F-15EX. In total, according to the contract signed in 2020, Boeing will assemble eight F-15EX fighters, two of which will be delivered this spring, and the remaining six in 2023. All eight aircraft will be stationed at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, where they will take part in tests.


Deliveries of serial F-15EX aircraft should begin in the 2023 fiscal year; in total, according to an open-ended contract, the US Air Force will receive 144 (according to other sources - 200) newest fighters. The first vehicles will enter service with the 123rd Fighter Squadron of the 142nd Fighter Wing of the Oregon National Guard Air Force, based at Portland AFB.

It is clarified that the F-15 is being purchased not to replace the F-35A, but to replace the already outdated fleet of the F-15C / D in service and as a carrier of a hypersonic weapons... In the future, it is planned to purchase 18-24 fighters annually.

In the Air Force, the fighter will be delivered in a two-seat version, there will be no single one. It differs from previous versions by modern avionics based on the concept of "digital highway" and the architecture of Open Mission Systems (OMS), including the Raytheon AN / APG-82 series radar with AFAR. The F-15EX is said to be capable of carrying up to 22 air-to-air guided missiles or "hypersonic weapons up to 22 feet long and weighing up to 7000 pounds." The aircraft will be equipped with conformal tanks.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 February 2021 15: 39
    -2
    A new leader is emerging in the 4 ++ generation fighters ... and in the Russian Federation, meanwhile, the Su34, 30, 35 are being built with three different degrees of modernization ... but here the Su35S is already being overtaken.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 3 February 2021 15: 45
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      in the Russian Federation, meanwhile, are building Su34, 30, 35 with three different degrees of modernization.

      Well, it seems that the SU30 has been pulled up to the level of the SU35.
      Although for the good, it would have to be updated already. More than 10 years in the series. It was made in the XNUMXs, when the entire industry was on its side. Has our electronics really not advanced during this time?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 3 February 2021 15: 53
        +1
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Quote: Zaurbek
        in the Russian Federation, meanwhile, are building Su34, 30, 35 with three different degrees of modernization.

        Well, it seems that the SU30 has been pulled up to the level of the SU35.
        Although for the good, it would have to be updated already. More than 10 years in the series. It was made in the XNUMXs, when the entire industry was on its side. Has our electronics really not advanced during this time?

        Su-30SM1, which is unified with the Su-35, and there is an upgrade of the Su-30SM.
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 3 February 2021 16: 07
          -2
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Su-30SM1, which is unified with the Su-35, and there is an upgrade of the Su-30SM.

          So I about it.
          SU35 was made in the last century.
          If our electronics during this time, with all the import substitutions, is not able to offer anything else, then sadness and sadness have disappeared.
          1. lucul
            lucul 3 February 2021 17: 00
            -26%
            If our electronics during this time, with all the import substitutions, is not able to offer anything else, then sadness and sadness have disappeared.

            Well, if Stalin was sold any equipment and technology in batches, just pay, then modern Russia no, no. Not any key equipment (machines) and no technologies, not for any money, it is enough to recall the experience of buying Opel and Mistrals by Russia.
            1. Viktor Afanasev
              Viktor Afanasev 3 February 2021 23: 47
              +2
              Until 2014, there was an opportunity to purchase what? Have you bought a lot? Over the past 20 years, our machine tool industry has been at the same low level, unfortunately ...
              1. lucul
                lucul 4 February 2021 10: 07
                +3
                Until 2014, there was an opportunity to purchase what? Have you bought a lot?

                Russia tried to buy Opel for $ 5 billion back in 2009. Not sold to us, but sold to the French for $ 2.5 billion
                This is for those in the tank.
                1. Viktor Afanasev
                  Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 18: 43
                  0
                  How is the purchase of a large European concern related to the purchase of machine tools ??? Machine tools are a commodity. And the sale of a super-large European enterprise is a policy.
              2. PROXOR
                PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 42
                +2
                When was the last time you visited the Russian military-industrial complex?
              3. Dodikson
                Dodikson 4 February 2021 11: 36
                -2
                there was no possibility, we closed the electronic industrial control back in the USSR and were not allowed to buy it. we ran 90nm in a roundabout way and tried to run 65nm, we have equipment, but no consumables. and this is also a very complex topic.
                1. Viktor Afanasev
                  Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 18: 49
                  -2
                  Something is difficult to buy, through shell companies, etc. But why is no one going to restore their production of machine tools?

                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 56
                    -1
                    I asked about it, but there is such a topic that they have remote control, such a serious binding of coordinates that you can bypass it for now.
                    Do you think I have not thought about such an option as you suggest?
                    I even thought to create in Korea a kind of Samsung branch in Phepopinsk, and they say like it is bought by Koreans, then transhipment at sea to other transport, but oops, this option does not work. an adjuster arrives who does everything and only then, with full control from the cordon, this equipment starts to work.
                    1. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 19: 24
                      +1
                      In some areas, yes, it is difficult, I agree. But this does not apply to ALL elements for building a machine-tool base in Russia? You can design with us, make part of the machine here, and take the other part to a detour ... It is important not just to bring the machine that makes nuts, but to have equipment that makes this machine itself ... To revive the beginning of the chain ...
                      1. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 28
                        -1
                        and so they do.
                        we essentially have a problem mostly with electronics.
                        the rest is more or less getting better. on machine tools 2 years ago I read an article from the exhibition of machine tool builders. and in general we have something to boast about. you can look in the internet for information on that exhibition, it was emnip in Bashkiria (although I don't remember exactly)
                      2. Viktor Afanasev
                        Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 19: 35
                        +1
                        Why, then, is the domestic production of machine tools not growing? All consumption is due to imports. Tomorrow, for example, real sanctions will be introduced, and that's it ... Cook, we won't even make a nail ...
                      3. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 38
                        -1
                        and who told you that it is not growing?
                    2. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 19: 38
                      0
                      By the way, here in topwar, there was an article on this topic "What place does Russia occupy in the world machine tool industry"
                    3. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 39
                      -1
                      Is the article on the topvar really true?
                    4. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 19: 42
                      0
                      Statistics from all sources do not show growth dynamics. To my great regret ...
                    5. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 46
                      -1
                      so the pandemic, and even before it, the industry did not grow, where did the machine tool industry grow from?
                      but the possibilities of machine-tool building have grown in comparison with what it was 15-20 years ago.
                      I look at the fact that the defense industry began to produce which it could not before, but in those areas where we could not purchase equipment in the west.
                      just reading the article. about KABs. But until recently we could not produce either good optics or matrices, and no one sold us the equipment for their production. but they began to be produced in large quantities.
                    6. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 20: 10
                      0
                      Has the machine tool industry increased? And there is almost no machine-tool industry. Contradiction...
                    7. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 20: 16
                      -1
                      you can sell 10 i9 processors, or you can sell 15 i3
                      only these 10 i9 will tear 15 i3. less sold and more capacity.
                      By the way, if the Su-57 is sold less than the Su-30, can we say that the capabilities with the release of the Su-57 have increased? because they were purchased less than the Su-30.
                    8. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 20: 24
                      +1
                      I'm not talking about the final product, but about the machine tool industry. The graphs show that the demand for machine tools has grown, but production has not, at the same level as 20 years ago. This cannot be compared with the production of weapons. Armament is purchased not to the maximum, but as needed and depends on the budget. Therefore, this is not the way to judge the possibilities of production. But if you see that, for example, С400 are made on foreign equipment, and you understand that tomorrow it may stop due to sanctions and the lack of domestic machines in our country, it becomes scary ...
                    9. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 20: 26
                      -2
                      for machine tools, machine tools are the end product and the end product capabilities have grown.
                      but so far we are still significantly inferior to the west.
                    10. Viktor Afanasev
                      Viktor Afanasev 4 February 2021 20: 30
                      0
                      The purchase of foreign machine tools is growing, the demand for machine tools is growing, but domestic production is not. I am very glad if we managed to produce one or a couple of types of ultra-precise machines, and they did not affect the statistics, but what about the rest? Almost 90% of purchased at this time, imported? It turns out that our ALL INDUSTRY depends on foreign components and manufacturers by 90% ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 February 2021 09: 28
    0
    There are Su57 and its systems .... Which can be produced (and needed) more than the Su57 themselves and can be fitted with 4 ++ fighters. Americans do just that.
    1. kieferandreas
      kieferandreas 4 February 2021 14: 32
      0
      Old stuff, full camps and cellars, everything for canned in oil and salted, who needs it?

      Improve and sell at a higher price all the junk over the hill and build brand new SU 57 and everything else.
      And what I see SU57E, armor E and S400E and now also Armata T14E? ALL "E", and when you build yourself?
      1. rjpthju
        rjpthju 5 February 2021 07: 40
        -1
        "Improve and sell at a higher price all the junk over the hill" and take payment in palm oil.
        1. kieferandreas
          kieferandreas 5 February 2021 09: 39
          0
          you can also bananas
  • krot
    krot 3 February 2021 17: 15
    -3
    A new leader is emerging in generation 4 ++ fighters.

    It is unlikely that he will catch up with the Su-35 in terms of maneuverability .. Is that the striped avionics will be better. AFARs are also ours are constantly being modernized and their characteristics are more than. Plus the photonic radar will probably go into production by that time. This is another level. Well, our engines also correspond. Product 30 is being replaced. So we don't stand still.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 17: 40
      -11%
      Quote: krot
      photon radar by that time will probably go into series


      All existing radars are photonic.
      1. krot
        krot 3 February 2021 17: 42
        +5
        All existing radars are photonic.

        Yes? And I thought they were all radio ..))) Photon radar is a completely new level. You can inquire about radio photonics ..
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 18: 29
          -5
          Quote: krot
          And I thought they were all radio ..))) Photon radar is a completely new level.


          Photon, by definition, is a quantum of electromagnetic radiation. Radio emissions, if that's more clear to you.
          1. krot
            krot 3 February 2021 18: 37
            +2
            What does a photon have to do with it? What nonsense! Can you tell us more about the corpuscular theory of light, about the wave and photon times you started ..? We compared one place with a finger, just to blur it out! Photonic radar is a stable phrase, if so it is clearer .. And radiophotonics, on which it is based. Google to help you! And please don’t be boring! hi
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 18: 42
              -11%
              Quote: krot
              What does a photon have to do with it?


              Given that you used the phrase "photon radar".

              Quote: krot
              Photon radar is a stable phrase


              Sustainable or not, it is meaningless.
          2. AUL
            AUL 3 February 2021 20: 22
            +3
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Photon, by definition, is a quantum of electromagnetic radiation.

            Don't you respect the corpuscular theory of light?
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 3 February 2021 18: 09
        +5
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        Quote: krot
        photon radar by that time will probably go into series


        All existing radars are photonic.


        Gravitational ...
        On the subgravitational distortions of the ether ...


        :)
        Sarcasm, if it is.
        1. krot
          krot 3 February 2021 18: 14
          -5
          Gravitational ...
          On the subgravitational distortions of the ether ...

          In 70 years, if there is no war, your sarcasm will be real ..)
    2. u-345
      u-345 3 February 2021 17: 54
      +15
      Quote: krot
      Our AFARs are also constantly being modernized and their characteristics are more than

      Do we have a lot of AFAR fighters that are constantly being modernized?
      It seems that there are as many as 1 (one) pieces.
      Not?
      1. krot
        krot 3 February 2021 18: 01
        -10%
        It seems that there are as many as 1 (one) pieces.

        What are you talking about 1 piece? Su-35 "Irbis" is standing, Su-57 "Belka" .. already 2 ..
        1. u-345
          u-345 3 February 2021 18: 18
          +16
          How long has the N035 "Irbis" become AFAR?
          What are you talking about 1 piece?

          I'm talking about the first serial Su-57, transferred to the troops a little over a month ago.
          1. krot
            krot 3 February 2021 18: 22
            -13%
            I'm talking about the first serial Su-57, transferred to the troops a little over a month ago.

            laughing Someone about what, and bald about a comb!
            Doesn't the Su-35S have a phased array, or is there no phased array on the Su-30SM? And what does the SU-57 have to do with it? laughing Talking about Generation 4 ++
            How long has the N035 "Irbis" become AFAR?

            And the Irbis is PFAR, and so what? Do you think if active is better? ))
            1. u-345
              u-345 3 February 2021 18: 38
              +14
              Quote: krot
              Do you think if active is better?

              Krot, calm down.
              Nakosyachil - admit. Not? Do not want?
              AFAR is not PFAR. You know.
              The Su-30SM has a phased array, and the Su-27 has a Cassegrain antenna, but neither one nor the other has ANYTHING, to the fact that you confused PFAR with AFAR. laughing
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 February 2021 09: 30
                0
                Here's another thing: In the videoconferencing, you can sell PFAR ... ... in the world there is a trend - AFAR (correct or not, I don't know) and a Fighter without AFAR (new) can no longer be sold.
    3. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 19: 53
      -1
      Do not tell me which ones?
  • figwam
    figwam 3 February 2021 19: 39
    -6
    The Americans are such clowns, after 30 years of production of the 5th generation aircraft, they returned again to the 4th generation glider even in the 60s of development. Degradation!
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 3 February 2021 21: 19
      +2
      Israel really wants to buy them.
      Only the F-15EX will reach Iran. hi
      1. figwam
        figwam 3 February 2021 21: 27
        +2
        Quote: Alex777
        Only F-15EX will fly to Iran

        This only proves that fifth-generation American aircraft do not meet modern requirements.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 3 February 2021 21: 28
          +1
          Most live in very small countries.
          Russia is an exception. wink
        2. ironic
          ironic 3 February 2021 22: 20
          -1
          Why, to the flight range? Does the F-16 Block 70 meet the requirements?
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 4 February 2021 09: 33
          +2
          The United States is writing off a large number of F-15s of different versions ... for natural reasons. There is nothing to replace them with now ... F35 does not have time, F22 is not released. So they replace it with the SINGLE version of the F15EX. those. Strike and air superiority fighters, now a single aircraft - EX
      2. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 22: 18
        0
        But what about the F-35I? request
  • prior
    prior 3 February 2021 16: 37
    +3
    "Really, our electronics have not advanced during this time."

    During this time, our electronics have advanced quite significantly, but in the opposite direction.
    1. Sasha Minakov
      Sasha Minakov 3 February 2021 17: 08
      +2
      O. Another expert)
  • rjpthju
    rjpthju 5 February 2021 07: 38
    -1
    And who was engaged in electronics? How they destroyed everything ... Chubais and Gaidar said that there was nothing to do with nonsense, it's easier to buy. So we are buying ... In China ...
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 3 February 2021 15: 50
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    A new leader is emerging in the 4 ++ generation fighters ... and in the Russian Federation, meanwhile, the Su34, 30, 35 are being built with three different degrees of modernization ... but here the Su35S is already being overtaken.

    With one "leader" the Americans themselves do not know what to do. (F-35) .2 / 3 F-35s are not ready because of the "high" quality of production. Either with the engines, or with something else, the problems are eternal. Although the cars are brand new. But like that.
    And why is the F-15EX much better than the same Su-35S and MiG-31BM? Explain if it's not difficult for you?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 3 February 2021 16: 16
      +11
      So for a start ..... avionics, radar and turbojet engines of the 2020s ..... and, accordingly, avionics, turbojet engines and radars for the Su35S and Mig31BM and Su34 and Su30 10x 2000-2010s ..
      1. This despite the fact that the Russian Federation does not have dominance in these moments.
      2. The USA has 1 model .... we have 3 different ones.
      1. shahor
        shahor 3 February 2021 17: 20
        +8
        Quote: Zaurbek
        So for a start ..... avionics, radar and

        I will add that this aircraft was equipped with the world's fastest combat computer. Well, the payload is 13 tons.
      2. Dread
        Dread 4 February 2021 07: 48
        -2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        So for a start ..... avionics,
        radar and turbojet engines 2020s ..... and, accordingly, Avionics, Turbojet engine and radars for Su35S and Mig31BM and Su34 and Su30 10x 2000-2010s ..
        1. This despite the fact that the Russian Federation does not have dominance in these moments.

        Radar N035 "Irbis" Su-35S in detection range is much superior to radars AN / APG-77, AN / APG-81, AN / APG-82 aircraft F-22, F-35, F-15EX. You don't need to write a lie.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 06
          0
          Where did you get this from? "Much" - is it worth a slit antenna on the Americans?
          1. Dread
            Dread 4 February 2021 08: 28
            -1
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Where did you get this from? "Much" - Is it worth the slit antenna on the Americans?

            Study the characteristics of the radar!
            1. Detection range of radar N035
            "Irbis" PFAR Su-35S is equal to D = 400 km for purposes with image intensifier = 3 sq. m.
            2. The detection range of APAR AN / APG-77, 81, 82 is D = 300 km for purposes with image intensifier = 3 sq. m.
            3. The use of RVV-BD R-37M Su-35S with a range of D = 300 km completely negates all the advantages of the F-22, F-35, F-15EX aircraft (USA).
            Slot antennas are a thing of the past.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 38
              0
              Where will he shoot even at 300 km? what? 400km - ideal conditions at ideal altitude. And this is hardly 3sq.m.
        2. 2534M
          2534M 11 February 2021 10: 43
          -1
          Quote: Dread
          Radar N035 "Irbis" Su-35S in detection range is much superior to radars AN / APG-77, AN / APG-81, AN / APG-82 aircraft F-22, F-35, F-15EX. You don't need to write a lie.

          SHOULD NOT GET
          YOU
          because the main question in this is - FOR WHAT CONDITIONS
    2. dauria
      dauria 3 February 2021 16: 28
      0
      With one "leader" the Americans themselves do not know what to do. (F-35)

      They know. It is for an attack on the principle of "The attacker must be detected as late as possible", when there is a chance to slip from 70 km to a distance of 30 km. But 70 ++ planes can also meet them at 4 km, you still need to turn on the locator. Tactical AWACS will not be enough for everyone, and you will not stick it close to the front line. Well done, the Chinese, set the pace - the Yankees start to burn, they don't have time to compose a super-duper. We have to make do with old stuff, only the radius can reach modern requirements (1500 km) with conformal tanks.
      1. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 20: 09
        -1
        They can, but they will not have an advantage in any case, because the F-35 has a greater situational awareness, a better processing system and a weapon guidance system, and is also sharpened for superiority at speeds of 0.9-1.2M, i.e. high-speed headless mode, which even 4 ++ generation aircraft are much less organized or even absent.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 4 February 2021 00: 11
          +5
          Quote: ironic
          and is also sharpened for superiority at speeds of 0.9-1.2M, i.e. high-speed headless mode, which even 4 ++ generation aircraft are much less organized or even absent.

          The Su-35 has supersonic sound in the afterburner mode, the F-35 does not.
          The issue of a single engine for the entire line of dryers (except for the Su-57) is being worked out, and it will not be weaker than that on the Su-35.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 07
            +1
            Why not put one turbojet engine in the future?
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 4 February 2021 12: 01
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Why not put one turbojet engine in the future?

              Perhaps it will. There is a video on YouTube, where they make 30-ku for the Su-57, so they have an engine that runs without lubrication ("dry") in development. True, it was not said for which aircraft it was made.
              1. ironic
                ironic 4 February 2021 14: 45
                -2
                While he is not, and the F-35A is.
                1. The comment was deleted.
          2. ironic
            ironic 4 February 2021 14: 44
            -2
            The Su-35C has a non-afterburner mode of 1.1M at low altitude and a maximum speed of 1400 km / h on it. The F-35A is capable of supporting 1.2M without boost at any altitude, with a range of about 350 km. Those. The Su-35C cannot sustain combat above the front line at such speeds without using frost thrust, which will quickly burn fuel.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 4 February 2021 14: 53
              -3
              Quote: ironic
              The Su-35C has a non-afterburner mode of 1.1M at low altitude and a maximum speed of 1400 km / h on it. The F-35A is capable of supporting 1.2M without boost at any height,

              There is also a small nuance. The Su-35 can only fly like this without missiles. Those. no practical sense.
              1. ironic
                ironic 4 February 2021 17: 23
                -2
                I didn’t know that.
                The F-35A can fly in non-afterburner mode at a speed of 1.2M with a standard combat load in the internal compartments.
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 4 February 2021 18: 13
                +2
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                The Su-35 can only fly like this without missiles.

                And where is it written about?
            2. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 4 February 2021 18: 12
              +2
              Quote: ironic
              The F-35A is capable of supporting 1.2M without boost at any altitude, with a range of about 350 km.

              Everywhere they write that the F-35 does not have supersonic mode in non-afterburner mode. Only one person (Vice President of Lockheed Martin Stephen O'Bryan) claims that the fighter can fly at a speed corresponding to M = 1,2 (i.e. 1,2 times the speed of sound), at stretch ≈240 km without switching on the afterburner). And you are already talking about non-afterburner supersonic at any height and the range on it in 350 km... Does an airplane have new capabilities over time, with the same hardware?
              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ F-35A ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Su-35S ~~~~ ~~~~
              Empty weight -------------------------- 13 171 kg ------------------- 19 kg
              Curb --------------------------- 24 350 kg ------------------- 25 kg
              Maximum takeoff ------------ 29 100 kg ------------------- 34 500 kg
              Fuel weight -------------------------- 8 383 kg ------------------- 11 kg
              Engine thrust without afterburner ------ 13 kgf ------------------ 000 kgf (17 × 600)
              Afterburner thrust ---------------------- 19 kgf ------------------ 500 kgf ( 29 × 000)
              Maximum speed: ---------- 1,6 M (1930 km / h) ----------- 2,25 M
              Flight range: --------------------- 2200 km -------------------- 3600 km (without PTB)
              1. ironic
                ironic 4 February 2021 19: 34
                -1
                Vizda write only in Russian about this, and then even in Russian not vizda. For a second, ONE person ... This reminds me of an anecdote about a young musician telling an old man - Sensens supposedly had only one catchy melody. To which the old man answers him - a young man, but what a !!! Not kilometers, but miles, Americans never speak in the official press in kilometers. 240 miles = 386 km. There are discrepancies whether this is real supersonic, since it is generally accepted that supersonic starts from 1.25M. Total no new possibilities, except for your words about them, have not been found, everything is on the old possibilities. Comparing the numbers will give nothing. Su-35 engines are fundamentally different from the F-35 engine, so there is nothing surprising in the lower supersonic speed and better optimization for work on the supersonic border.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 4 February 2021 20: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: ironic
                  Comparing the numbers will give nothing. The Su-35 engines are fundamentally different from the F-35 engine, so there is nothing surprising in the lower supersonic speed and better optimization for work on the supersonic border.

                  Strange it turns out:
                  The Su-35S has a high power-to-weight ratio, aerodynamics, licked not for the sake of stealth, but in the direction of the best flight data, but for some reason it should be inferior to the F-35 in these parameters.
                  For me, there is only one explanation - for the F-35 inflated numbers.
              2. ironic
                ironic 4 February 2021 19: 49
                -1
                I will probably surprise you even more if I report that Eurofighter, Raphael and Gripen have super cruising speed. But only Eurofighter has radically supersonic cruising speed. Raphael did not voice this speed at all. Gripen - 1.2M.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 4 February 2021 19: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: ironic
                  I will probably surprise you even more if I report that Eurofighter, Raphael and Gripen have super cruising speed.

                  Our passenger Tu-144D had a speed of M = 2,2 and flew it in non-afterburner mode. Moreover, the engine had no afterburner at all.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 4 February 2021 20: 29
                    -1
                    And the Concorde too, but these are not combat aircraft. And the Mig-25 had a cruise mode at partial afterburner up to a speed of 2.35M. But how does this relate to non-afterburner combat mode?
                    Do you know that the F-16 Viper also has a super cruise mode?
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 4 February 2021 20: 05
                  -2
                  Quote: ironic
                  Raphael did not voice this speed at all.

                  Rafal has a full-fledged cruising supersonic without afterburner up to 1,4 M with 6 V-V missiles or 1 PTB (1250 l) and 4 V-V
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 4 February 2021 20: 30
                    -1
                    Thanks for the information, it means a full-fledged supersonic sound.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 4 February 2021 20: 34
                      -2
                      Rafal and Eurofighter are generally half-brothers, very similar. One of the best air superiority fighters. Only worth horse money.
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 4 February 2021 20: 41
                      -1
                      And on the VO forum, for some reason, all this technique is treated with a high CN Tower ...
                    3. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 4 February 2021 20: 47
                      -3
                      Here and the MiG-29 with 0 victories and 17 shot down against the 4th generation is considered an aircraft "ahead of its time." The question is in the presentation of information. When foreign articles are retelling, a third of the information is transmitted in one key.
                    4. ironic
                      ironic 4 February 2021 22: 08
                      0
                      Clear. It is felt.
  • ironic
    ironic 3 February 2021 20: 04
    -2
    They are at least partially combat-ready> 70%, about 50% are fully combat-ready, most of the non-ready ones belong to versions B and C. They already know exactly what to do with the F-35A, but no one knows what to do against it yet.
    The X surpasses all aircraft in its class in avionics, range of weapons used, combat radius, and the possibility of its expansion due to comfortable tanks and is not inferior to the F-22 in maneuverability at high transonic and supersonic speeds. The advantage due to the variable thrust vector of the F-22 is felt most of all at speeds of 0.5-0.6M and is leveled the more, the higher the speed, since the theoretically possible sharper evolutions can no longer be sustained by the pilot.
    The MiG-31 is not his classmate at all, because it was an interceptor. In battle over the front line, he has more disadvantages than advantages.
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 3 February 2021 16: 02
    -9
    Quote: Zaurbek
    A new leader is emerging in the 4 ++ generation fighters ... and in the Russian Federation, meanwhile, the Su34, 30, 35 are being built with three different degrees of modernization ... but here the Su35S is already being overtaken.


    Not because of a good life, the Americans started it all. America copied not only the Kalash, but also the Su-35.
    Whatever it was, but the decision to fine-tune the F-15C to the level of the Su-35 was made due to the full-scale crisis of the US Air Force, as a force that today does not meet even the simplest challenges, including Venezuelan "disobedience".

    It is already known that the Boeing corporation plans to supply 18 F-15EXs annually, starting in 2021, and a trial batch of eight fighters will enter service in 2020. What is interesting: the requirement for the new product says that the fighter should be extremely easy to maintain, not inferior in this characteristic to the Russian Su-35. Moreover, if you compare with today's spending on the operation of the F-15C, it should pay for itself in 12-15 years of service. To achieve this, the Americans will have to make a vehicle that is not inferior in reliability to the Sukhoi design bureau's interceptors.

    However, even the engineers of the Boeing Corporation admitted that the F-15EX fighter still lacks the maneuverability of the Su-30 and Su-35, so it was decided to strengthen the new aircraft with innovative equipment. The new EF-fifteenths will be equipped with a more powerful radar than even the one equipped with the F-35, and will "suspend" the latest AIM-120D missiles with a long flight range - up to 180 km. Also, the developers promise the pilots an on-board electronic warfare system, significantly ahead of the Raptor "stuffing".


    Americans themselves talk about their problems. And not how you about the alleged leadership of the F-15EX.
    ... The US Air Force Magazine calls the 80% combat readiness figure of the American air force not entirely realistic. To reach the target, it is required to allocate another $ 750 million annually from above. At the same time, according to Rachel Cohen, the author of the publication, no one knows which aircraft are ready for war. In any case, the Pentagon's most formidable fighters, the F-22 Raptor, will definitely not take off in full force. As for the F-35, there is no question of them at all.

    But it seems that the US Air Force command still found a way out of the difficult situation. As follows from the recently published budget documents for the development of American combat aviation, the Pentagon will rely on the F-15EX 4 ++ generation, which will begin to enter service in the early 20s.

    Boeing has already named the F-15EX a new undeniable superiority fighter with Mach 2,5 and a payload of up to 22 air-to-air missiles, while the F-22 is limited to Mach 2,25 and eight missiles. This is more than surprising, because even according to US military reports, its predecessor, the F-15C, was unable to match the capabilities of the Su-30 and Su-35.

    According to American sources, the F-15C fleet today numbers 200 fighters, most of which entered the US Air Force in the late 1970s and 1980s. They are characterized by structural fatigue, which has already led to speed limitations of the aircraft in operation.

    https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/228182/
    1. dauria
      dauria 3 February 2021 16: 49
      -7
      The Americans did not start this all because of their good life.


      Burns. The Chineese fired up the boiler ... laughing There is a fantastic way out - we give them the Su-57, they give us the F-35. Perfect option.
      1. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 22: 26
        +1
        They can't repeat such rivets lol
    2. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 22: 26
      -1
      And I did not know that the free press represents the Boeing press secretary, and at the same time resolves international patent conflicts ... I'm afraid the Kalashnikov concern does not know this either.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 4 February 2021 09: 25
    0
    Hooray! The modernization of the F-15 is progress and the separation of mattress covers, and the SU-34,30, 35 and 27 are just Su XNUMX cosmetics.
    Suck is counted!
  • Avior
    Avior 3 February 2021 15: 57
    +19
    The logical decision of the Americans
    In addition to single-engine f-35s, twin-engine ones are also needed. F-22 is a limited quantity and it makes no sense to restore production. And the twin-engine f-15 is well suited for coupling with the f-35, especially since it has undergone a very serious modernization, primarily electronics. And it will be replaced by the next generation
    And as a platform - very good
    1. Berber
      Berber 3 February 2021 16: 12
      -2
      Logical but belated. Our team immediately realized that it was necessary to develop the old SU-27 and MiG-29 platforms. It is both cheaper and more efficient. And then the link with the F-35 (with its shortcomings), this is from the series - "what to do? - it happened." So, there is a copying of our strategy.
      1. Avior
        Avior 3 February 2021 16: 51
        +7
        And what is Su's connection with Mig?
      2. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 22: 30
        +1
        That's when the entire order for the 76 57s is completed and the 35th Mig with AFAR will go into production, then it will be possible to talk about the development of the old concept, but for now the Americans are replacing the F-16 and Harriers with the F-35 and with the help of the release of this intermediate batch creates a reserve of time to develop a replacement for the F-18 and a cheaper version of the F-22.
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 3 February 2021 16: 19
      +1
      In turn, its counterpart, the Su-35S, is just a good fighter of the early XNUMXs without a single key factor with an eye to the future. There is no radar with AFAR, avionics is already significantly lagging behind in functionality, measures to reduce EPR are in their infancy, the composition of weapons leaves much to be desired. There is no prospective modernization project in sight.


      1. krot
        krot 3 February 2021 17: 47
        +2
        There is no radar with AFAR, avionics is already significantly lagging behind in functionality, measures to reduce EPR are in their infancy

        The Su-35S is equipped with an Irbis and this is PFAR, if anything .. He sees up to 400 km. Our avionics have always lagged behind, but not already lagged behind! And measures to reduce the ESR are going on completely different rails than in striped ones. And there is paint to reduce radio signature, which does not need to be renewed every year, as in striped and lantern glass is also made with the inclusion of nanoparticles .. EPR Su-35 0,5-2 compare with SU-27 is 10-20. Although the glider is almost the same. The difference is good. And let's see how much EPR the F-15 will have
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 3 February 2021 18: 26
          0
          Colorful memoranda of the UAC and the Ministry of Defense, not supported by reliable facts.
          1. krot
            krot 3 February 2021 18: 28
            -8
            Colorful memoranda of the UAC and the Ministry of Defense, not supported by reliable facts.

            For you, a memorandum and "Dagger" was also ..))))
            There is no radar with AFAR,

            Just like on the Su-35, say there is no AFAR, for that there is a PFAR))
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 3 February 2021 18: 37
              0
              The characteristics of the "Dagger" have not yet been confirmed by anything intelligible. Only unsubstantiated statements from the category "launched-flew-hit". Okay, the filming of the separation of the "log" from the carrier showed. And that's all. At the same time, the Internet is full of videos with the metrics of missile weapon tests of other countries, which for some reason do not build secrets from this. Why? Probably because they really fall. There is simply no need to hide something from prying eyes and invent. They don't hide pride. And "Dagger" cannot be a panacea by definition due to the peculiarities of combat use. PFAR exchanged its fourth ten. By the way, it was first used on our MiG-31. For today it is completely and irrevocably outdated. Specifically, it does not pull.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 3 February 2021 18: 55
                +7
                Why confirm it.? Iskander has been shooting for 10 years. MiG31 is only a glider for launching, moreover, it is no longer a fighter
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 3 February 2021 19: 07
                  -1
                  Ambiguity with the range of the missile itself. Different numbers are everywhere. If it has only slightly increased in comparison with the ground carrier, then with a high probability the complex will be intercepted before the launch point. "Iskander" can be sent to the target in a matter of minutes, while preparing the MiG-31 for a flight for combat use, on the contrary, can take several hours. And excuse me, just one video of hitting a "peg" for several dozen starts looks like an accident. To rely entirely on luck in a serious matter is at least naive.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 22: 32
                    +1
                    First of all, there should be many more than a couple of dozen carriers on the scale of such a country as the Russian Federation.
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 08
                      +3
                      Tu22M3 M is being adapted for the Dagger.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 4 February 2021 13: 19
                        0
                        So far, such an aircraft is in a single copy and is not on alert.
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            2. ironic
              ironic 3 February 2021 20: 34
              0
              Those. if the enemy has the best processor system, AFAR, stealth technology and not the worst electronic warfare, then in a battle above the front line only high speed on afterburner can help to get out of the battle.
          2. -Dmitry-
            -Dmitry- 4 February 2021 06: 52
            +1
            You say so as if the F-15EX, which is flying so far in a piece version and is in the stage of flight tests (not in the state!), Has confirmed and surpassed all TTZ, and is already mass-produced by dozens of aircraft per year. Or are colorful memoranda from Boeing ALREADY OTHER? :)
            1. ironic
              ironic 4 February 2021 13: 23
              0
              You see what's the matter, Boeing and the F-15 are such a topic that their promise to issue an order of 144 units can at least go to the bank at interest, as if it were money. You can't say that about every order.
              1. -Dmitry-
                -Dmitry- 4 February 2021 13: 36
                +1
                Quote: ironic
                You see what's the matter, Boeing and the F-15 are such a topic that their promise to issue an order of 144 units can at least go to the bank at interest, as if it were money. You can't say that about every order.


                And for some reason it seemed to me that the quantity, as well as the question of whether this or that aircraft will be adopted, is not accepted by the supplier (Boeing in this case), but by the Customer, that is, MO. At the very beginning, they also planned to buy more than 700 raptors, but in the end they bought only 25% of the planned quantity (contract).

                Or do you think that only altruists work in Boeing and will supply aircraft to the Air Force at their own expense? :)
                1. ironic
                  ironic 4 February 2021 14: 49
                  0
                  So the customer has already been identified. The raptors, even at their cost, were stopped only because of the collapse of the USSR and the confidence that they would no longer be needed as a massive aircraft in the country's air force during the collapse of the most powerful enemy and its military-political bloc. What will stop this order?
                  1. -Dmitry-
                    -Dmitry- 5 February 2021 03: 24
                    0
                    Quote: ironic
                    So the customer has already been identified. The raptors, even at their cost, were stopped only because of the collapse of the USSR and the confidence that they would no longer be needed as a massive aircraft in the country's air force during the collapse of the most powerful enemy and its military-political bloc. What will stop this order?

                    The first Raptors took off long after the collapse of the USSR, and the EBN was already in full swing with America. So no argument.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 7 February 2021 13: 35
                      0
                      The program began to be developed already in the 81st year, and by the 91st it was ready. America is a land of streaming solutions. It is not known what is harder, to start the program or to stop it in the middle. And yet she was stopped due to the belief that there were not enough opponents for such a costly aircraft. Argument, argument.
                      1. -Dmitry-
                        -Dmitry- 7 February 2021 19: 53
                        0
                        The program began to be developed already in the 81st year, and by the 91st it was in a state of readiness. America is a land of streaming solutions.


                        AND? The development of the MiG-31 began in 1968. The year the development began does not mean anything at all. All aircraft are designed and developed for about 10-15 years.

                        It is not known what is harder, to start the program or to stop it in the middle. And yet she was stopped due to the belief that there were not enough opponents for such a costly aircraft. Argument, argument.


                        You pull it by the ears. Raptors ceased to be produced because of the high cost of the aircraft, and not because there are no "sufficient opponents". The same thing happened with SeaWolfe - a super expensive toy turned out, in the end they switched to cheaper Virginias.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 7 February 2021 20: 09
                        0
                        Why doesn't it speak yet? Is talking. And how does the fact that airplanes have been developed for many years contradicts my statement? No way.

                        You do it even more than I do. The Sivulfs were limited to the standard initial batch for the United States - 3 pieces, and the Raptors were made 187 and the Raptor did not have a cheaper replacement. The opinion about the absence of an adequate threat and its high cost also played a role.
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      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 3 February 2021 18: 54
        0
        EPR has nothing to do with it ... the electronics need to be installed from the younger Su57 ...
      3. ironic
        ironic 3 February 2021 20: 19
        0
        He sees what he can see, if there is nothing to hide it. And it is much easier to hammer PFAR with interference than to do this with AFAR. And the speed of identifying a useful signal against the background of a parasitic one also depends on the processor power. And yes, paint with paint, and rivets with rivets and fitting the trim elements to each other there too. And it is not at the same level as the enemy.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 11
          0
          The question is how much it sees, how much it weighs, how much it consumes in kW ....... how is the image processed ???? There are many questions in comparison. PFAR is not critically worse than AFAR, but (as far as I understand) this is a topic without development .... And systems with AFAR are victoriously marching in air defense systems and helicopters and UAVs and airplanes.
          1. ironic
            ironic 4 February 2021 13: 14
            0
            Critically worse as a concept. In an allegorical sense, he resembles a rhino, powerful and fierce, but not very good at seeing, which is relatively easy to deceive. In contrast, AFAR is like a lioness on the hunt, mobile, reconfigurable, with a wide range of possible scenarios for reconnaissance and combat.
  • Kurare
    Kurare 3 February 2021 17: 20
    +2
    Quote: Avior
    In addition to single-engine f-35s, twin-engine ones are also needed. F-22 is a limited quantity and it makes no sense to restore production.

    In fact, the F-35 was made as a universal platform, a kind of Swiss knife, in addition to conquering air superiority. This should be the prerogative of the F-22

    The restoration of production can only mean one thing: a bunch of F-35 and F-22 has not justified itself. In addition, stealth technology, as it turned out, has ceased to be a prerogative. Something like a step forward and two steps back.
    Quote: Avior
    And it will be replaced by the next generation

    Well, yes, that way in 20 years. By the way, they also talked about the generational change on the F-22/35. The bottom line is the resumption of production of the good old F-15.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kurare
      The bottom line is the resumption of production of the good old F-15.


      And also the production of the F-35 with a quick transition to its mass production. And no, the F-15EX is not the "good old F-15".
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 3 February 2021 17: 44
        -1
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        And no, the F-15EX is not the "good old F-15".

        I do not argue that the EX and the F-15 are "two big differences", but the EX is based on the same F-15, which was started in 1962. For me, the resumption of production of the F-15 is a recognition of the fact that "stealth" is not a panacea, which was just recently promoted in the West.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 18: 31
          +4
          Quote: Kurare
          the resumption of production of the F-15 is a recognition of the fact that stealth is not a panacea, which was literally recently promoted in the West.


          The F-15EX recognizes the fact that there is room for non-stealth aircraft too. And the basis of combat aviation (for the United States) will be precisely stealth.
          1. Kurare
            Kurare 3 February 2021 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            The F-15EX recognizes the fact that there is room for non-stealth aircraft too.

            good Exactly. I will add: not only recognition of the fact, but also that stealth is not a panacea, which was previously categorically rejected.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 18: 38
              +1
              Not a panacea for what? Are you sure you are not confusing "panacea" and "silver bullet"?
              1. Kurare
                Kurare 3 February 2021 18: 44
                +2
                No, I don't. The F-35, more precisely the JSF project, was almost a miracle of miracles: "both a Swiss, and a reaper, and a gamer on a pipe." Its stealth, almost invisibility, was at the forefront. And everything that was before him ("visible") - this will definitely go into the past, i.e. F-15/16/18.
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 18: 52
                  +1
                  Then what exactly was stealth supposed to be a panacea for?

                  Quote: Kurare
                  The focus was on its lack of replacement, almost invisibility


                  By whom and where was it installed? As far as I know, the customer made demands without putting any of them "at the top". Not to mention that the signature of stealth in the meter range was definitely known.
                  1. Kurare
                    Kurare 3 February 2021 18: 57
                    -2
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    Not to mention that the signature of stealth in the meter range was definitely known.

                    And air defense / guidance systems in the meter range? Can you name many?
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 19: 11
                      -1
                      Quote: Kurare
                      And air defense / guidance systems in the meter range? Can you name many?


                      S-125 (which opened the account for the downed stealth), Sky. Why is it even important that I know this? The stealth aircraft designers knew this.
                2. ironic
                  ironic 3 February 2021 20: 24
                  -1
                  The F-16 and leaves, the F-35 will replace it entirely, as will Harier. The F-15X is an intermediate aircraft necessary for the design time of the cheaper version of the F-22, which will replace it and another naval version that will replace the Superhornets, but in the end stealth will replace everything, not all F-35s, but all stealth.
    2. spirit
      spirit 3 February 2021 18: 25
      +3
      Yes? And what then are they fighting their b-21 in stealth? And China and we with the PAK-DA?) The tasks of this interceptor are different, the flying arsenal! Where either stealth is not needed or is no longer needed! And the thrust-to-weight ratio is completely different and the cost of the flight is cheaper hi
      1. Kurare
        Kurare 3 February 2021 18: 35
        -2
        Quote: spirit
        Yes? And then why are they fighting their b-21 in stealth?

        hi Let's separate the patties from the flies. What I meant: the Americans, quite recently, only said that there would be "one continuous television", that is, combat aircraft will be made only of the "fifth generation". They built, counted, wept. We decided to shaman, repackage and start production of the F-15 (EX).

        PS: Thanks for the infographic. I especially liked the comparison of the cost of the aircraft itself and the flight. Well, and of course, a special point is the detection distance of the S-400 hi
        1. ironic
          ironic 3 February 2021 20: 28
          -1
          It will, but not all television will be F-35, yes, but everything will be television. Well, if the Americans themselves cannot detect it with air defense radars from a greater distance, then even if the air defense radars of the Russian Federation are better, then heaven and earth are not the difference.
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 3 February 2021 15: 58
    -10%
    The Yankee downgrade went.
    How many shortcomings have the Fu-35 found recently? About a thousand? And then a modification of the aircraft of the early 70s)))
    Why's that? To modernize and build aircraft that are 50 years old, instead of bringing new ones to mind?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 3 February 2021 16: 10
      0
      On what it is necessary to fight all the same. So they took a time-tested platform as a basis. They will add various modern buns there.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 3 February 2021 16: 13
      -3
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      Why's that? To modernize and build aircraft that are 50 years old, instead of bringing new ones to mind?

      New ones did not work. Difficult, expensive, not reliable. Too many innovations.
      Modernization of old ones brings them into a new quality, sufficient to solve most problems for reasonable money.
    3. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 17: 18
      +3
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      Upgrading and building 50-year-old aircraft instead of refining new ones?


      Everywhere so. The Su-35 is also a modification of the Su-27.
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 3 February 2021 16: 27
    +10
    Quote: Sands Career General
    The Yankee downgrade went.
    How many shortcomings have the Fu-35 found recently? About a thousand? And then a modification of the aircraft of the early 70s)))
    Why's that? To modernize and build aircraft that are 50 years old, instead of bringing new ones to mind?


    And where did you get the idea that the F-35 can replace the F15? They are actually for different things.
    F35, in principle, was made to replace F16, not F15. Once all of them (F35) will completely replace F16 in the USA This is a light single-engine aircraft, the number and weight of permissible weapons on board the F35 cannot be compared with what the F15 can take (the latter takes 22 missiles at once!) Do not compare in flight range, and maximum flight speed. Last year, F35s climbed to intercept the Russian missile carrier, so he gave gas, and the F35s simply could not catch up with the plane, which, according to the plan, were supposed to intercept and escort the Russian plane. And it would be difficult to escape from F15, for example. This is just one example.
    So it’s not clear what you wanted to say, saying that they had to "bring to mind" the F35, instead of purchasing the newest F15EX.
    (minus not from me.)
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 17: 36
      +6
      Quote: Emil Mamedoff
      Last year, the F35 climbed to intercept the Russian missile carrier, so he gave gas, and the F35 simply could not catch up with the plane


      It's fake.
      1. Emil mamedoff
        Emil mamedoff 3 February 2021 19: 54
        -1
        I didn’t know .. They published this news right there on this site.
        Just comparing the speed indicators on paper Tu-160 and F35, and one could believe it.)
        But all the same, interceptors are obliged to be with two powerful engines, and a large supply of fuel tank for insurance. Even though F16 often perform this function when at not very long distances.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 20: 04
          -1
          The F-15EX would probably be a good interceptor, but as far as I understand, they are going to use it as a missile arsenal in the second echelon (the first is the F-35).
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 3 February 2021 20: 06
            0
            And what prevents the F-15EX from being used for both tasks?
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 3 February 2021 20: 09
              -1
              Technically, nothing, I guess. I just haven't heard about it.
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 13
            +1
            Ф15ЕХ - a mixture of Su30 and Su34 ..... adjusted for modern turbojet engines, "brains" and radar ...... One aircraft with the same pilots.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 11: 10
              -1
              The Su-34 has a different glider than the Su-27.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 4 February 2021 11: 33
                0
                And here is one ... and a universal radar on the ground and in the sky and an aiming container
  • bar
    bar 3 February 2021 16: 29
    -6
    We've played enough with the "invisibles", and we need to fly on something. laughing
  • Lawyer1
    Lawyer1 3 February 2021 16: 29
    +5
    This fighter, for me, is even more dangerous than a penguin.
    1. Asad
      Asad 3 February 2021 16: 48
      -4
      More dangerous for whom? Not specified!
      1. Lawyer1
        Lawyer1 3 February 2021 16: 53
        +2
        For us, first of all, naturally.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 3 February 2021 16: 40
    -1
    22 rockets - are they still pushing them into the navigator's pockets to have a record?
    1. svp67
      svp67 3 February 2021 16: 49
      +6
      Quote: akarfoxhound
      22 rockets - are they still pushing them into the navigator's pockets to have a record?

      Well, they'll still shrink, shake it down ...
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 15
      +1
      These are rockets and bombs of "small" diameter and the ability to launch a separate missile or bomb from one holder. And, accordingly, ammunition with such accuracy, where 500kg of weight is no longer needed.
  • svp67
    svp67 3 February 2021 16: 46
    +2
    The "litmus test" of the combat value of this modification of the F-15 will be whether the Israeli Air Force wants to have it in its ranks or not ...
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 3 February 2021 17: 47
      +3
      The irony of the moment is that the F-15EX is the export version of the F-15QX for Qatar, with little or no change. And almost the same as the F-15SX for the Saudis. Boeing proactively developed EX and offered it to the Air Force. But, this is not the last interesting thing. On January 21st, according to US Air Force press reports, he discussed the purchase of the F-16. The last contract for him was 15 years ago. This will actually undercut the F-35 program.
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 3 February 2021 23: 15
        +2
        The United States has never stopped buying F-16s, but these supplies are then exported.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 4 February 2021 03: 37
          0
          Which US structure has purchased F-16s over the past 15 years.
          According to your logic, did Russia buy Indian, Chinese, Algerian, etc., Dry?
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 4 February 2021 08: 15
      +1
      They will have ..... besides Qatar, the Saudis have a simpler version.
    3. PROXOR
      PROXOR 4 February 2021 16: 03
      0
      These will want. When free then. They took Fu-35 over there.
  • Emil mamedoff
    Emil mamedoff 3 February 2021 17: 01
    +6
    Quote: svp67
    whether the Israeli Air Force would like to have him in their ranks or not ...

    It would be foolish for them not to want him. Moreover, with Israel's extensive experience in operating the F15.
    They are not Indians, they know a lot about airplanes, unlike those who take Rafali for 140 million each.)
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 22: 43
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      Israel has already made a general decision that it needs another F-15 squadron, but the final decision has not been made, it is argued that they should be taken before the third F-35 squadron or later. There is no dispute about whether to take the third F-35.
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 3 February 2021 23: 14
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        The Air Force does not expand its composition with another new squadron, the generals cannot decide what should be changed first.
        Old F-15A / B with new F-15E_№, or continue replacing tired F-16A / B with F-35A while they are given.
        1. ironic
          ironic 3 February 2021 23: 17
          0
          Well, yes, it is. It's just that the option for another 25 F-35s was ordered before paying for the first 50, and the F-15X project needs to be harnessed while the main order is in production. If it ends, production may end, as with the F-22, and then wait for new models.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 February 2021 17: 17
    -5
    The aircraft will be equipped with conformal tanks.

    What the hell is this without a pimp?
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 3 February 2021 18: 27
      +2
      These are PTBs suspended on the sides of the fuselage air intakes. They are ogival shaped to reduce forehead resistance. A good thing, there are photographs where the F-15 without them - front view - the sides are flat, with conformal tanks - it looks like "rounded cheeks" were attached to the sides. In general, these are tanks that take the shape of the fuselage
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 4 February 2021 06: 57
        +1
        Thank you, educated ignoramus, I did not know that it was called that. hi
  • yehat2
    yehat2 3 February 2021 17: 19
    +1
    22 rockets - where to hang all this ??? they probably even have pilots in the tail of the plane
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 4 February 2021 06: 59
      0
      Do you know how many pockets they have in their overalls? What are they not hiding there. laughing
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 3 February 2021 17: 38
    -1
    He is very much like our Bunshu!
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 3 February 2021 18: 19
      +2
      Looks like a MIG-29/35, yeah)
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 3 February 2021 18: 20
      0
      Well, in general, the F-15 is an interesting platform, if the RCS is low, and the radar is good, then it can serve)
  • bang
    bang 3 February 2021 21: 24
    0
    F-22 - the plane of the future
    F-35 - the plane of the not yet come future

    And the F-15EX is a time-tested aircraft (previous versions of the F-15). The very thing is to drive the barmaley and those who disagree with democratic values.

    By the way, decommissioned F-117 flashed in the US sky)
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 22: 45
      +1
      Well, you see everyone has a different future. wink

      F-22 - 187 units.
      F-35 - ~ 600 units.

      F-15EX - one (order 144)

      Su-57 - one (ordered 76)
      Su-35C - 98

      MiG-35 - ... (ordered 6)
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    2. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 3 February 2021 23: 05
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      F-22 and F-35 aircraft are present, both are in service and are actively exploited.
      Barmaleev is being driven by drones.
      The F-15 will occupy the niche of a flying rocket launcher and a heavy bomb carrier.
      As long as the F-117 has a resource, they will fly, even if only for training purposes. They will no longer be recruited to combat missions.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 4 February 2021 03: 44
        0
        As for the F-35 of all modifications, the picture is not as joyful as you write. Over the past five years, the fleet's operational availability has never risen above 73%. But, this is if we count completely fit and limited fit for flights with restrictions. The main problems are the peeling stiff coating and the power plant. In total, there are more than 700 unresolved troubles.
        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 4 February 2021 13: 46
          0
          Quote: BigRiver
          As for the F-35 of all modifications, the picture is not as joyful as you write.

          How do you understand? The F-35 has already become the core of the US Air Force, and it is a fait accompli. Consider lightning bullshit - you can rejoice, a potential opponent has drunk himself, even take it with your bare hands.
          The operational readiness of the fleet never rose above 73%.
          For a new car, this is even a lot.
          The main problems are the peeling stiff coating and the power plant.
          these problems are purely financial in nature, America has a lot of money. Will finish.
          In total, there are more than 700 unresolved troubles.
          These are the features of the American competitive basis, the same services will find at least a thousand "technical problems" in su57. The only difference is that the design of the F-35 is subject to criticism, the problems are voiced, so the car will definitely be finished and improved, and the Su-57 is covered with darkness and secrets, there can be no question of any criticism. Problems will become known only after decades, when there will be nothing to solve.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 4 February 2021 09: 22
        +1
        the f-15 has 2 roles - a rocket carrier to intercept a massive attack from the arctic and a relatively inexpensive strike fighter.
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 11: 12
          -1
          The F-15EX is more expensive than the F-35. If the F-15EX is an inexpensive drummer, what is the F-35?
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 4 February 2021 11: 24
            +1
            meaning the unit cost to raise 1 kg of weapons.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 11: 29
              -1
              A strange criterion. It is more expensive to build many planes, and in case of loss, no difference in the unit cost of a kilogram of load will compensate anything.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 4 February 2021 11: 32
                +1
                cost price affects combat readiness
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 11: 35
                  -1
                  The "unit cost" of the combat load? belay Not the reliability of systems, the availability of trained personnel, spare parts and the like, but the specific cost of the combat load? Oh well.
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 4 February 2021 11: 41
                    +1
                    so all this is included in the cost.
                    why do you say "NOT"?
                    1. The eye of the crying
                      The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 11: 42
                      -1
                      And tell me exactly how you calculate your "unit cost of 1 kg of weapons."
                      1. yehat2
                        yehat2 4 February 2021 12: 03
                        +1
                        all costs for all common needs - maintenance, repairs, infrastructure maintenance, etc. What the Americans call an hour of flight, but with the inclusion of a payload correction
                      2. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 12: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: yehat2
                        all costs for all common needs - maintenance, repairs, infrastructure maintenance, etc.


                        How do you know these costs for the F-15EX and why do you think they are lower than the F-35? Not to mention, the "infrastructure maintenance" is divided into aircraft of all types.
                      3. yehat2
                        yehat2 4 February 2021 12: 06
                        +1
                        and these are the original goals of the project.
                        they wanted to get certain indicators at the level of the old F-15.
                      4. Bigriver
                        Bigriver 4 February 2021 12: 22
                        0
                        According to Defense News, the F-15E's flight hour is at least a third lower than that of the F-35A. But this is not the most important thing. In 2018, the Pentagon announced a "New Deal and New Thinking", moving away from a stealth-only focus. It was decided to simultaneously order Thunderbolts, Falcons and Needles and Lightnings. The main motive is that they cannot recruit the required number of fighter aircraft, IS and attack aircraft. With the appearance of a new materiel in the form of the F-15ex, the retraining of the squadron that flew on the E takes three months. To retrain on the F-35A - at least two years. Plus investment in infrastructure. Yes! One of the significant motives for the resumption of supplies is that the promising hypersonic missile cannot be crammed into the Lightnings. He has a compartment of only 2,5 tons and the size is not suitable.
                      5. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 12: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        According to Defense News, the F-15E's flight hour is at least a third lower than that of the F-35A.


                        The cost of an hour of flight is very important when you need to bomb the barmaley. And when there is a near peer opponent, losses will have to be included in the cost of an hour of flight, and it is not known who will be cheaper.

                        Quote: BigRiver
                        It was decided to simultaneously order Thunderbolts.


                        Have you decided to order an A-10 Thunderbolt II? Seriously? smile
                      6. Bigriver
                        Bigriver 4 February 2021 13: 51
                        0
                        1. The life span of the F-35 airframe was three times less than that requested in the TOR. The plane is really sick with more than seven hundred sores. Of the entire available park - only about half can be used without restrictions on the entire reel. About a third more with restrictions on altitude, climate, range, etc.
                        2. Is there an opponent for Lightning? In fact, he is IB. But, at least early mods. The Needle is pure supremacy fighters. The EX is by far the fastest aircraft in the US Air Force with Mach 2,5 afterburner. And its range without PTB is higher than that of JSF.
                        3. I do not know anything about the resumption of production of Thunder. I shouldn't have put it in one row. I only know that the terms of its operation are constantly shifting to the right. According to the latest data, it seems until 2028.
                      7. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 14: 20
                        0
                        Quote: BigRiver
                        The life span of the F-35 airframe was three times less than that requested in the TOR.


                        Really? And do you have a link to a document or article that claims this?

                        Quote: BigRiver
                        For Lightning, the enemy?


                        For the US Army. However, the F-35 personally, of course, also has opponents - air defense aviation and air defense systems.

                        Quote: BigRiver
                        But, at least early mods. The Needle is pure supremacy fighters.


                        And the F-15E is optimized for strikes against ground targets.

                        Quote: BigRiver
                        And its range without PTB is higher than that of JSF.


                        F-15EX with conformal tanks.
                  2. Nestor Vlakhovski
                    Nestor Vlakhovski 4 February 2021 13: 55
                    0
                    In 2018, the Pentagon announced a "New Deal and New Thinking", moving away from a stealth-only focus.
                    why are you lying ?!
                    There was no thinking. You can open the articles of 2010 on the same site, where it was stated in plain text that the F-35 goes in addition to the F-15 and F-22.
                    It was decided to simultaneously order Thunderbolts, Falcons and Needles and Lightnings.
                    Thunderbolts have not been produced for a long time, they wear out what is a pity to throw away. Falcons are exclusively exported.
                    There have always been plans for the further production of needles. For it should be replaced by the same twin-engine heavy, but not the f-35. These cars are of different classes.
                  3. Bigriver
                    Bigriver 4 February 2021 14: 08
                    0
                    And if I prove my words, will you apologize? Say Yes - I'll start proving. Say No - then you admit that you are lying? OK? :)
                    And regarding the old plans from 2001 to 2018. JSF was supposed to replace Falcon, Thunderbolt, Harrier 2, partially TomCat and SuperHornet.
                  4. Nestor Vlakhovski
                    Nestor Vlakhovski 4 February 2021 14: 12
                    +1
                    Prove that the F-35 was supposed to replace the F-15? OK.
                    I hope you understand that all sorts of "sedition" and "inosmi" are not proof?
                  5. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 4 February 2021 14: 22
                    0
                    When you prove, prove that the F-35 was supposed to replace the Super Hornets. At least partially.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 4 February 2021 12: 24
    0
    While they are focusing on the Indo-Asian region and on the protection of their bases (interception).
  • yehat2
    yehat2 4 February 2021 09: 20
    +1
    who will say why the prototypes of both the f-15 and the su-27 are yellow?
    is it some color of the material?
    1. Thompson
      Thompson 4 February 2021 09: 39
      +1
      It seems these are composite components. Maybe I'm wrong
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 44
        0
        Wrong.
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 44
      0
      This is a paintable primer. The board is always painted last when the board has passed all the tests.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 4 February 2021 10: 43
    0
    A visual advertisement that the striped ones themselves understand the combat value of the Fu-22 and Fu-35)))
  • Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 6 February 2021 01: 00
    0
    Of all the characteristics, it is shown that the F15EX can take 22 missiles. That is, this modification has an increased carrying capacity. And the rest of the characteristics have not sagged due to this?
  • core
    core 7 February 2021 17: 10
    0
    beautiful plane.