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Is there a "great tank-building" power Ukraine?

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Source: https://kloch4.livejournal.com


In January 2021, a Ukrainian propaganda video was released on YouTube "Pitfalls of modernization of T-64", in which the noted fennel propagandist Sergei Zgurets, raised on Western grants, demonstrates that he understands little about technology. And even more so in tanks.

Secret notes of Ukraine


This passionate fan of squealing on Ukromov "condescended" to the Russian language and in this video he broadcasts in the great and mighty. With undisguised aplomb, he talks about the "great tank-building" power Ukraine with a long-term school of tank building and how it plans to modernize its tanks.

Immediately striking is the impudence with which he categorically broadcasts about the Ukrainian school of tank building, which allegedly created the world's best T-34, T-64 and some kind of super-secret Nota tank (about Nota a little below).

The T-34 and T-64 tanks were indeed some of the best in the world at one time. But what does this newborn state have to do with them?

These tanks are the result of the colossal work of the Soviet school of tank building, stationed in Kharkov at a time when there was no Ukraine, and even more so no "great ukrov" even in sight.

I have always had pride in this high-class domestic school, to which I had the honor to once belong.

You are filled with the deepest contempt for the new-born fennel propagandists who are trying to impudently and unreasonably ascribe to themselves the merits of other people's schools. And to declare the existence of some supposedly "Ukrainian" school of tank building, which is a bluff. If in Ukraine they can create something meaningful after 1991, then it will be possible to talk about their supposedly "school".

The video shows T-64 tanks under a collaborationist banner, which for me is just a "yellow and blue rag" and nothing more. Which is completely equivalent to a fascist banner over a Soviet tank during the Great Patriotic War.

Ukraine has not been producing its tanks for a long time.

All the tanks that it has in service are made in the Soviet Union. And she just exploits them.

In the 90s, Ukraine supplied a batch of T-80UD (T-84) tanks developed in the Soviet Union under a Pakistani contract. Then, with difficulty, she realized the delivery of several dozen Oplot tanks to Thailand (modernization of the T-80UD). And made up to two dozen modernized T-80UD for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This was the end of the tank building industry of Ukraine inherited from the USSR.

Now we can only talk about the modernization of Soviet tanks, of which there are about one and a half thousand left in Ukraine. These are the T-64A (1968) and T-64B (1973) tanks.

There are no T-80UD tanks (1984) in Ukraine.

About 1984 tanks produced in 1991-700 remained in Russia. And now in storage. The last batch of 80 T-43UD was delivered against a Pakistani contract.

There is also no Oplot tank there. One sample of the tank, which Ukraine has undertaken to deliver to the United States, has been unable to leave the workshops of their plant since 2012 due to the complete collapse of production.

From the existing fleet of tanks, these are mainly T-64B.

Until 1973, not many T-64As were produced. And they went to all military districts.

Nevertheless, Zgurets (through his thoughtlessness) claims mainly about the alleged modernization of the T-64A.

In a conversation with him, a former employee of the KMDB Bogach objectively and intelligibly explains in what direction it is possible to modernize existing tanks, avoiding Zgurts's provocative questions.

Rich reveals options for upgrading tanks in terms of protection, mobility and firepower. At the same time, it leads to limitations associated with the capabilities of the chassis and the permissible tank weight up to 46 tons.

On protection - this is the implementation of the latest achievements in the field of dynamic protection. There are no other acceptable options.

The most interesting modernization options may be in the direction of increasing mobility and firepower. And I would like to dwell on this in more detail. (What this video does not say).

In addition, we will try to compare the capabilities of the tanks being modernized by Ukraine with the capabilities of Russian tanks, which have one common base - the T-64 tank.

Modernization of the power plant


An increase in the mobility of a tank is primarily an increase in engine power.

The T-64A and T-64B tanks were equipped with a 5TDF engine with a capacity of 700 hp. There are two options - installation of a 5TDFM engine with a capacity of 850 hp. or a 6TD-1 engine with a capacity of 1 hp.

There are no technical problems here. The 5TDFM engine was developed and tested as part of the tank back in the 80s. And the 6TD-1 engine was tested in a batch of tanks object 476 "Birch" back in 1976. And then it smoothly switched as a power plant to the T-80UD (1984).

The modernization of the power plant will be determined by the technological and organizational capabilities of the plant to produce the required number of engines. However, these very opportunities are just seriously undermined by the general collapse of industry in Ukraine.

To what extent can Ukrainian power plants be comparable in their characteristics to Russian ones?

The T-72 tanks of all modifications were equipped with a V-46 engine with a capacity of 780 hp. with. On the T-72B (1984) the V-84 engine with a capacity of 840 hp. with. S T-72B3 (2011) - V92S2 engine with a capacity of 1 hp. with. Both the T-000B72 (3) and the T-2014B72M (3) have a V2018S92F engine with a capacity of 2 hp. with.

That is, the installation on the T-64 of the 6TD-1 engine with a capacity of 1 liters. with. will allow the power plant to reach the level of T-000B72 (3). And in the future, go to the 2011TD-6 engine with a capacity of 2 liters. with.

Is this modernization possible?

Doubtful. Since for its implementation it is necessary to restore production and provide appropriate funding, sources of which are not available.

And they are unlikely to appear in the near future.

Modernization of the LMS


An increase in firepower during modernization can go along the path of using a more powerful cannon, using more powerful ammunition and installing advanced FCS.

All Ukrainian and Russian tanks are equipped with 2A46 cannon modifications.

Let me remind you that in Ukraine, with great difficulty, according to Soviet documentation and with the help of Russian specialists, it was possible to reproduce this gun. There are no other guns in Ukraine. And no one is going to change it there.

Ukraine's capabilities for the production of new ammunition (except for guided missiles) are practically zero.

Therefore, an increase in firepower can be made by upgrading the FCS. Moreover, the Soviet backlog of a fairly high level remained on these systems.

The T-64A tank has long been outdated in terms of fire efficiency. And seriously inferior to the T-64B. As such, there is no LMS on it. Only a set of sights and observation devices. The gunner has a TPD-2-49 day sight with a single-plane stabilization of the field of view, without a laser rangefinder and without a TBV, a gun stabilizer, a TPN-3 gunner's night non-stabilized sight, a TKN-3 commander's day-night non-stabilized device and a closed remotely controlled anti-aircraft gun "Utes" with anti-aircraft sight PZU-5.

On the T-64B tank was installed the first in the Soviet Union full-size OMS 1A33 with a 1G42 Ob day sight with two-plane stabilization of the field of view, a laser rangefinder, an optoelectronic guidance channel (together with a radio channel) of a 9K112 Cobra complex guided missile, TBV, modification the TPN-3 gunner's night sight and the commander's T-64A sighting system.

On the T-80UD tank, the next generation MSA 1A42 was implemented, featuring a modernized gunner's sight 1G46 Irtysh with a laser guidance channel for a 9K119 Reflex guided missile and a commander's sighting system based on the TKN-4S Agat-S day-night sight with single-plane stabilization of the field of view and a closed anti-aircraft installation with a PZU-7 sight.

For the upgraded Oplot tank, a commander's sighting system was developed and implemented based on a panorama with a two-plane system for stabilizing the field of view and a thermal imaging channel, and a thermal imaging sight was installed instead of the gunner's night sight. But this tank never made it to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

All this suggests that tanks T-64B, T-80UD (T-84) and "Oplot" are quite advanced MSA, which have not lost their relevance today. There is the technical potential for a major modernization of the MSA of the existing generation of tanks.

But at the same time, there are also a number of organizational and production difficulties.

An increase in the firepower of the T-64A suggests itself, at least to the level of the T-64B. But this is impossible to realize.

The fact is that the production of the Ob and Cobra complexes was carried out at factories in Russia. And it has long been discontinued. (Instead of them Irtysh and Reflkeks are issued). Moreover, the Cobra guided missiles were not produced in Ukraine either. Therefore, the existing fleet of T-64B tanks, if these tanks are in satisfactory technical condition, can only be used in an artillery version without guided weapons.

Ukraine is lucky in other ways.

In 1989, the Cherkassk Instrument-Making Plant received documentation from Vologda on the organization of serial production of Irtysh and Agat-S sights for T-80UD tanks. And within the framework of the Pakistani contract, their production was organized there.

The rest of the FCS elements (such as the gun stabilizer, TBV and a number of others) were reproduced according to the available documentation. And on the basis of the Reflex rocket, the Kombat rocket was developed and its production was organized.

Now Ukraine is theoretically able to produce all the components of the FCS for the T-80UD tank and use them to modernize the FCS of the T-64A and T-64B tanks, bringing them to the level of the T-80UD.

But this requires the restoration of production capacity and the necessary funding.

Comparison of the FCS of Ukrainian and Russian tanks


Let's see how the modernization of T-64 tanks possible in Ukraine may look successful in comparison with the modernization of Russian T-72 and T-90 tanks.

On the T-72A tank (1973), the sighting system was completely borrowed from the T-64A tank.

On the T-72B (1985), a not entirely successful attempt was made to create an OMS that is not inferior to the OMS T-64B. A laser rangefinder was built into the gunner's sight and received a TPD-K1 sight. Instead of TBV, a ballistic corrector was installed with all its shortcomings, the 9K120 Svir laser beam-guided weapon system, which provides rocket firing only from the spot, was implemented in a 1K13 day-night non-stabilized sight, and the commander still had ancient modifications of the TKN-3 device.

It was only on the T-72B3 (2011) that the FCS began to form on the basis of a full-fledged gunner's sight "Sosna-U" with a thermal imaging channel and a laser guidance channel for the Reflex missile. But it was installed in a terribly inconvenient place instead of 1K13, retaining as a sight - a TPD-K1 backup. The commander's poor sighting complex has not changed.

On the T-72B3M (2018), a full-fledged sighting complex for the commander was finally introduced based on a panorama with a thermal imaging channel and the possibility of further transition to the Kalina fire control system.
The T-90 (1993) was not cunning for a long time. And they just moved the MSA from the T-80UD tank.

And on the T-90M (2019), the Kalina new generation fire control system was introduced, which includes the Sosna-U sight and the commander's panoramic sight, the Falcon Eye.

Comparing the FCS of the Ukrainian and Russian fleets of existing tanks, we can conclude that the main tank of the T-64B APU is at the level of the Russian T-72B, the T-80UD at the T-90 level, and the "Oplot" at the T-72B3M level.

It should be noted right away that the Russian army is beginning to gradually switch to the modernized T-72B3M and T-90M, the advantages of which in terms of the effectiveness of fire are beyond doubt.

Regarding the FCS (not yet accepted for service) of the Armata tank, it can be noted that it will not differ fundamentally from the FCS T-90M in basic characteristics. There has not yet been a serious gap there. At the same time, the tank does not have a single device with an optical channel, even duplicating the main sights. And this can be assessed as a disadvantage.

The modernization of Ukrainian tanks, despite the existing technical groundwork, is impossible. Due to the collapse of production and lack of necessary funding.

To carry out the modernization of tanks, it is necessary to organize production not only at the tank plant, but also the production of all components at several dozen factories, which, alas, is already impracticable in a collapsing state.

So this modernization can be viewed purely in theoretical terms. And nothing more.

Regarding the statement of the ukropagandist Zgurts about the super-secret promising Ukrainian tank "Nota", which never existed, one can only laugh merrily.

In the 80s, the last promising Soviet tank "Boxer" was really being developed at the KMDB, work on which was curtailed in 1991 due to the collapse of the Union and the impossibility of organizing a full cycle of development of such a complex product in Ukraine, requiring the involvement of specialists in various branches of science and technology. which have never been in Ukraine.

According to open information, later R&D "Nota" was carried out, within the framework of which pictures of a promising tank were drawn without involving subcontractors to work out the units and systems of the tank, without which it is impossible to create a tank.

It all ended with such pictures.

And Zgurets has been talking about some pseudo-promising tank for several years already.
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  1. Ka-52
    Ka-52 5 February 2021 06: 03
    +6
    Is there a "great tank-building" power Ukraine?

    of course there is. In the dreams of fat fighters against the sworn Muscovites. Well, also in the booklets that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine publishes periodically to maintain the spirit of the previously mentioned fighters
    1. Finches
      Finches 5 February 2021 06: 26
      +10
      The correct question is: Does the power of Ukraine exist?
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 5 February 2021 06: 48
      +3
      Quote: Ka-52
      of course exists.

      Here are samples


      1. Darkesstcat
        Darkesstcat 5 February 2021 08: 42
        +5
        Why would a landrader be offended?
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 5 February 2021 08: 45
          +2
          Quote: Darkesstcat
          Why would a landrader be offended?

          I have nothing to do with it
          All claims to authors laughing
    3. Profiler
      Profiler 5 February 2021 06: 54
      +7
      Quote: Ka-52
      of course exists.

      All yes ...
      After "mega contract"for the construction of ONE," exhibition "sample of the tank" Oplot ", which the Kharkov tank plant will build from 7 to 8 months (!!!) - EVERYTHING!
    4. Mister X
      Mister X 5 February 2021 17: 07
      -2
      hi
      Regarding the statement of the ukropagandist Zgurts about the super-secret promising Ukrainian tank "Nota"

      "Reckless" tank: object 477A1 "Nota"

      1. Berg berg
        Berg berg 5 February 2021 23: 41
        +1
        They will never build this Russian project, if only in a cardboard version in 1/72 scale.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 6 February 2021 10: 12
          +1
          Quote: Berg Berg
          This Russian project

          And who is arguing?
          Quote: Berg Berg
          they will never build, unless in 1nd scale cardboard.

          Several full-size mockups were allegedly built.
          But there are only 2 photos of poor quality walking on the network, there are no others.

          Pan Zgurets claims that
          one of the mock-ups of MBT "Nota" built in the past was planned to be shown in 2017 at the Kiev parade dedicated to the Independence Day.
          This event, he believes, would have caused "a much greater sensation than the showing of the Russian" Armata "on Red Square."

          However, they refused to publicly demonstrate the layout ...
    5. Sandro1977
      Sandro1977 6 February 2021 13: 02
      0
      "Ukraine has not been producing its tanks for a long time." - The USA also hasn't been producing its tanks for thirty years.
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 5 February 2021 06: 03
    +3
    This is not Greece! Everything is there! And then - everything was ............
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 5 February 2021 06: 27
    +4
    Kharkov is a Russian city, there is a Russian tank building school and Russian tanks.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 5 February 2021 06: 59
      +12
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Kharkov is a Russian city, there is a Russian tank building school and Russian tanks.

      The Kalashnikov assault rifle - also Russian, but in the wrong hands - turns against the Russians.
      Therefore, let Ukraine be without tanks ...
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  4. rocket757
    rocket757 5 February 2021 06: 32
    +11
    Is there a "great tank-building" power Ukraine?

    There is a SOVIET tank-building school ... and EVERYTHING!
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 5 February 2021 07: 28
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      There is a SOVIET tank-building school ... and EVERYTHING!

      Well ... Since the USSR, unfortunately, is no longer there, and we, some kind of legal successors and heirs of the Union, then it probably makes sense to talk about the RUSSIAN school of tank building ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 February 2021 07: 58
        +1
        Not everyone thinks the same ... and in general, you can't forbid fantasizing.
        But everything has a precise definition ... and this is the BOTTOM! Those. new products with new characteristics.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 5 February 2021 22: 50
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Not everyone thinks the same ... and in general, you can't forbid fantasizing.
          ... and this is the TOTAL! Those. new products with new characteristics.
          Rostislav Abramov
          Rostislav Abramov - "purely Ukrainian" generation of "tank designers" ... Was on an excursion to the KhBTZ yes
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 February 2021 15: 17
            0
            A boy with boxes "Roshen" ... it was.
            But there were no tanks, and there never will be.
            1. cat Rusich
              cat Rusich 6 February 2021 15: 49
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              A boy with boxes "Roshen" ... it was.
              But there were no tanks, and there never will be.

              Different people have different possibilities for "fantasies" ...
              tank Tirex Ukraine
              Rostislav Abramov has only "Roshen" boxes (I hope the sweets were eaten by him, and not just picked up boxes in the trash). The "adult uncles" from "Azov" have computers and paper for a printer to print out "their fantasies" ... "Residents of Ukraine" are people with a developed imagination.
              1. petroff
                petroff 10 February 2021 14: 46
                0
                Well, this is an epic ... Make the T64 fighting compartment uninhabited and drive the ENTIRE crew to the driver's seat ... I can't imagine how they all sit on the driver's lap. The chassis is still the same. It's funny.
          2. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 9 March 2021 10: 45
            -1
            This little creature was listening to smart guys - engineers and did not even interrupt. Complete degradation.
        2. BMP-2
          BMP-2 6 February 2021 14: 16
          +4
          At the moment, Ukraine is a great fake-building state. The quality of fakes, of course, is not very good, but in terms of quantity, it is surely one of the three world leaders, periodically displacing the USA and Great Britain from the first place.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 February 2021 15: 18
            +1
            There is nothing to envy ... let yourself, yourself
  5. svp67
    svp67 5 February 2021 06: 51
    +6
    In January 2021, a Ukrainian propaganda video "The pitfalls of modernizing the T-64" was released on the YouTube channel. My Webpage
    Who wants to fold their mind

    And to declare the existence of some supposedly "Ukrainian" school of tank building, which is a bluff.
    But I do not agree, this is not a "bluff". There were several tank-building "schools" in the Soviet Union, and one of them has now become completely "independent". And she continues not only "her" line as in tank building and engine building, but also continues the development of the "Leningrad" school, which, unfortunately, is almost forgotten in Russia
    T-64 tanks appear in the video
    There are shots from the T-90 ... laughing
    And the 6TD-1 engine was tested as part of a batch of tanks object 476 "Birch" back in 1976.
    This is news, and was it not "Cedar" about 476?
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 5 February 2021 08: 15
      +10
      There were several tank-building "schools" in the Soviet Union

      Well, not schools, of course, but leading tank design bureaus, each with its own vision of the development of tank building. And in the front line there were two Kharkov and Leningrad. But the modest Tagilskoye survived, thanks to its chief Potkin. Who practically literally laid down his life for him.
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 5 February 2021 13: 57
        +3
        Rather, it survived due to the fact that it was engaged in the most popular, massive and profitable projects for which there has always been a demand.
        Simply put, Tagil survived as a tank building center thanks to the T-72/90 and their derivatives.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 5 February 2021 15: 13
          +7
          Not. Only Potkin's efforts kept tank production in Tagil. He died in the workplace. In honor of him, the T-90 was named "Vladimir".
          That's how it is said in the article about him.
          It got to the point that factory # 9, which produces tank gun barrels for all post-war tanks, went bankrupt, and UVZ and its design bureau were next in line for the "Moscow" predators-privatizers! ...

          At the conference of the labor collective, the words of populists, demagogues, demanding "new", "effective and market" methods of leadership of the design bureau, its conversion to the production of civilian products sounded ... Potkin spoke briefly and harshly: "Look for another chief designer!"

          Colleagues knew this man well. A man of phenomenal honesty with a straight, heavy, unfriendly look, with a vocabulary that is far from being for lovers of fine literature.

          The healthy forces of the team took over: “Yes, we simply won't have work, we practically won't have money! ...” The explosive situation was resolved. Reason defeated emotions ... The team insisted that Vladimir Ivanovich stay at the helm of the design bureau in a very difficult period of time.


          And so.
          Vladimir Ivanovich Potkin substantiated the draft Government Decree on the adoption of the "object 188" -tank T-90 for the armament of the Russian army and to allow its export in an export version abroad. This is how the prospect of a breakthrough into the world arms market opened before Uralvagonzavod and UKBTM.
          1. Holgerton
            Holgerton 5 February 2021 16: 32
            +2
            Not without this, but even with the preservation of the design bureau's profile and its competent management, the very preservation and development of it is due precisely to the prevalence of the T-72, platforms based on it and their development, including BREM, BMR, MSTA-S, IMR, TOS, MTU, etc.
            Plus, no offense to Potkin, but there was a much more interesting and promising project to replace the T-90 with the designation "Object 187", which offered a much more significant difference between the late T-72 and early T-90 at a slightly increased cost , but he was successfully forgotten.
            And in principle, if they produced the conditional T-80 and equipment based on it instead of the T-72, then now they would try on the fate of an ordinary armored personnel carrier and one could forget about the development.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 5 February 2021 17: 15
              +5
              The fact of the matter is that in the early 90s the stake was placed on the Omsk T-80U. And it was even stubbornly pushed for export. And the Tagil design bureau really wanted to bankrupt. But in the end, everything turned out the other way around and it was the Omsk plant that began to overhaul the T-72, and not the Tagil T-80. The high cost of the engine let down the eighty. Although the tank is by no means better in basic parameters and more reliable than the T-72.
              1. zenion
                zenion 5 February 2021 21: 04
                +5
                He worked at a factory and saw how they made a barrel for a tank gun. Various figures tried to pierce the barrel and nothing worked. Fucked up three blanks. The head of the shop said it was necessary to ask, I do not remember the name, of the specialist who drilled the trunks during the war. Being retired, he came to the shop. The workshop had a tank school in the sponsored, and they bent the barrel. Here is a real specialist. In literally an hour, they drilled the barrel and processed it further, he also made a thread in the barrel. Everything else was completed in another workshop. We installed, adjusted the aiming and painted. In order to make the trunks, you need to have specialists and special machines. What I wrote in 1963 happened.
              2. Holgerton
                Holgerton 6 February 2021 14: 03
                +3
                In general, if my memory serves me, the stake was placed on the Omsk T-80U with the Kharkov 6-TD1 diesel engine and the prospect for the 6-TD2, which was called the T-80UD, since even in the USSR they understood that an effective Soviet gas turbine engine, consumption, manufacturability and performance can be compared with the American gas turbine engine AGT1500, will be created no earlier than the end of the 90s.
                Then the period of the collapse of the USSR came and the T-80UD had to be abandoned, since the engines were produced in another republic, and they decided to reorient again to the T-80U.
                Well, only after that did the realization come that one would have to proceed not from what one wanted (T-80U), but from what they could afford (T-72 and after it T-90). And they began to maintain that tank production, which "could" and which had the greatest distribution, and not which "wanted", because it was difficult with finances then and could only support one batch production of tanks.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 6 February 2021 19: 23
                  +2
                  T-80UD - was created to maintain production in Kharkov. Its 6TD was in no way comparable to the turbine from Kadvi. Not in terms of overall power, not in operational characteristics.
    2. tank-master
      tank-master 5 February 2021 23: 37
      +3
      The rich man .. does not even know why the modernization took place, since he was not admitted to this work ... and he did not receive a position anymore, as he defended his thesis, this is the second question .. but then he became a "Scientific Secretary" .. became just a windbag.
      I can simply say, the whole story, no one will tell you, since there is and remains the unwritten code of the KMDB and those who know, they can tell it in 10 years ... if they are alive.
  6. Pechkin
    Pechkin 5 February 2021 06: 57
    +1
    On the T-72B3M (2018), a full-fledged commander's sighting complex based on a panorama was finally introduced
    There are no panoramic sights on the T-72B3M that are in the military units.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 February 2021 07: 51
      +3
      From 19 years old. These are all sources say check it out. The tank was equipped with a new 125-mm gun with improved ballistics and resource, a Sosna-U sight, a digital ballistic computer and a panoramic sight installed at the vehicle commander's workplace.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 5 February 2021 15: 39
        -4
        we have a lot of things going into the army. 3 boomerangs for the parade, 1 su-57, new long-range missiles that people see only on the shelves of armament salons.
        But so little gets through that most people don't notice.
        And if in the USSR this was often promoted by secrecy, now the scantiness of supplies.
        The sights should not just come in, there should already be several hundred of them on real combat vehicles. Take an example from China, they have a panorama even on infantry fighting vehicles and armored cars.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 5 February 2021 16: 33
          +4
          In two years there are more than a hundred of them. As for the boomerang, it's on TEST! From 57 there is a delivery schedule.
          1. zenion
            zenion 5 February 2021 21: 10
            +1
            carstorm 11 (Dmitry). Delivery schedule? At the plant, one hundredth was not given for one of the products and the authorities were left without a bonus. That is, all of them are on hourly basis and according to the established salary. In 1962, it was a lot of money. Finally, the factories that worked on the blanks did not know what it was and where they put everything that was needed. The shop fulfilled the plan one percent higher and everyone received a bonus, even the pieceworkers. Somewhere they collected what they needed and several of them rolled three pieces at the parade. The West nearly strangled itself upon seeing such missiles.
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 5 February 2021 08: 18
      +2
      This refers to the modification for tank biathlon. Our main thing now is biathlon, and what is not important in the troops.
      1. Pechkin
        Pechkin 5 February 2021 09: 53
        +1
        This refers to the modification for tank biathlon.
        That's for sure, a photo for biathlon and sun.

    3. svp67
      svp67 6 February 2021 15: 22
      0
      Quote: Pechkin
      There are no panoramic sights on the T-72B3M that are in the military units.

      But they are on the T-72B "White Eagle" for export
  7. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 5 February 2021 07: 24
    +5
    Even mortars cannot really make pots, and this is the technology of the 30s of the last century. What can we say about tanks! They can't build a modern diesel, they can't cast armor steel, they can't make a cannon, after all, they can't even fire shells for tanks! So there is no Ukrainian tank building. It survived 20 years after the collapse of the USSR due to the Soviet legacy and cooperation with Russian tank factories, and after the termination of cooperation, it physically cannot exist.
  8. Magic archer
    Magic archer 5 February 2021 07: 36
    +7
    A tank is a whole bunch of technologies. From the engine and armor to the control system and chassis. Science is needed in everything! Successfully buried in the Ruin. So only memories and wet dreams remained. Another 10 years and Ukraine itself may not exist. Power is too stupid and greedy.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 5 February 2021 07: 50
      +7
      Quote: Magic Archer
      For another 10 years, Ukraine itself may not exist. Power is too stupid and greedy.

      It is not the authorities who are greedy and stupid, but the people are greedy and stupid, who believed the tales of the "bright European future" and rode to the Maidans for the current government and twice elected not a pro-Ukrainian, but a pro-American president. And this is the power that comes from the people. Or for you Poroshenko, Zelensky, Yatsenyuk, Tymoshenko, Parubiy and other Yermaks are they not the most real Ukrainians? After all, they did not come from the USA.
      1. Olegkh
        Olegkh April 30 2021 14: 22
        -2
        Controversial statement. The people "galloped" to throw off the sitting thief. But he fell into almost the same nonsense. But the good news is that at least some changes are possible in our country. Unlike you.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya 1 May 2021 09: 32
          +1
          Who will you vote for in 2024? You need to make Klychko president laughing ... Vaughn Kuiv even in the center became indistinguishable from Lviv wassat .
          1. Olegkh
            Olegkh 1 May 2021 09: 49
            -1
            As you are rushing, you can't even write the names of cities normally)) No one knows what will happen and whether the current one will last until 2024. But here they at least change;)
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 1 May 2021 10: 05
              +1
              What is changing with you, besides the clowns in power?
              And so - as there was a farm on the outskirts of civilization, it remained.
              1. Olegkh
                Olegkh 1 May 2021 10: 23
                -1
                Think about it, we can disagree with the policy of the party and government;). You can really choose someone in the elections. I'm not saying that we are good, BUT! There are pluses compared to you. And about the farm - do not forget that we are between you and civilization;)
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 1 May 2021 11: 02
                  0
                  It would be funny if it didn't hurt so much ...
                  Banderostan cannot be anything other than a degradation regime. And each time you choose an even worse prezik than the previous one.
                  And I repeat: you are the outskirts of civilization.
                  And about those who agree with the clown's policy - tell Medvedchuk and journalists from closed TV channels. They will laugh ...
                  And only on rabbits under the Bandera flag your friends from the Western "civilization" are experimenting, such as "how quickly the inhabitants of Nezalezhnaya will die during a pandemic if they are not given a vaccine." You don't deserve any other attitude towards you ...
                  1. Olegkh
                    Olegkh 1 May 2021 11: 08
                    -2
                    You have a well-organized propaganda, it can be seen). But this is just a cliche that has been hammered into you for many years.
            2. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya 2 May 2021 06: 03
              0
              I am spelling the name of your capital just right: Kuiv is written in Cyrillic as "Kuiv". Although, how do you, the rogulyans and the villagers, who only yesterday grazed the pigs and removed the manure in the barn, know this. You don't need a letter.
              But here they at least change

              Well, for Klychko and download to vote in 2024. He's the head laughing !
              1. Olegkh
                Olegkh 2 May 2021 06: 42
                -2
                Rudeness is the lot of roguly and selukov. So look in the mirror more often;).
                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya 2 May 2021 08: 50
                  0
                  Eka tore you apart laughing ! I knew that you did not know how the word "Kuiv" is written in Cyrillic. The Dupa broke many rogulyi when I pointed out to them how to spell and pronounce the name of their capital from Mova.
                  1. Olegkh
                    Olegkh 2 May 2021 09: 24
                    -2
                    That is, your officials, TV channels and newspapers are not aware of your know-how in translations? They then call Kiev Kiev)) Write to them, enlighten.
                    1. Kot_Kuzya
                      Kot_Kuzya 2 May 2021 09: 33
                      0
                      It is also necessary to call Ivano-Frankivsk Stanislav so that your dupas vomit even more laughing .
  9. 113262a
    113262a 5 February 2021 07: 59
    +13
    There is a great SOVIET school of tank building. Still! This is not sad for us! It is in Kharkov, Cherkasy and many other Malyshevsky subcontractors in Ukraine. Shapkozakidatelstvo is our everything! Tank repair plants are also operating, all this is coordinated by the Morozov Design Bureau. And with the involvement of the Paton Institute. for welding. By the way, the welded jambs of the BTR-4 have long been eliminated, overcooked and the equipment is already here, beyond the Donets. This is by the way! The availability of bourgeois electronics allowed the same Bulat (judging by the trophy) to bring it to a decent level. The disadvantage of THEIR tanks is two-stroke motors, lousy in cold weather, capricious and low-tech, with low torque and a disgusting sound that can be heard from 5 km away - what do you want from aviation YuMO!) The chassis is 64-noisy and weak, often blown off at sharp turns. But even the LMS 64b is much more convenient and pleasant to work with than on the same 72 of all stripes! By the way, they have an Old Testament engine with inadequate oil consumption. Albeit less noisy and with more flexible external characteristics. Yes, and running 72 is not the ultimate dream either! Well, she's not eighty! So, the article is written so-so, in the style of ANITAMNICHEGON-SKILLS! Before the war, I had to intersect with Morozovites, excellent engineers, and if the Kharkov spring took place, now the plant and the design bureau would work hard for the good of Russia and would be in good standing!
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 5 February 2021 08: 31
      +6
      I absolutely agree with you, except for one thing. Modern Ukraine cannot assemble a tank from scratch. Even with the involvement of Western components. Upgrade old ones to a decent level - yes. But that's all. And "Bulat" is a vivid example of this. A more successful modernization than the T-72B3, even in the M. version. And they shoot with "Combats" in real life. To get the 1st grade, the tanker is coming out, be sure to complete the exercise with the start of the TUR perfectly.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 5 February 2021 10: 30
        +1
        Why would they do it from scratch? In the courtyard of armored hulls and stacking towers, you can rivet for 10 years. And the OMS and other electrics are thrown by the Chosen of God and the Europeans.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 5 February 2021 10: 42
          +4
          Yes, the fact of the matter is that you can't even stuff a new hull and turret. They take tanks from the HH at the bases and capitalize. And there, too, there are still enough cars.
          It's good that they don't have enough dough for this.
  10. Mark kalendarov
    Mark kalendarov 5 February 2021 08: 08
    +2
    Thanks. Nice overview .... But!
    Keyword: PROPAGANDA!
    And in this kind of products and tanks are the best, and space is conquered, and the army is the strongest in Europe ...
  11. engy
    engy 5 February 2021 08: 09
    +3
    There Malyshev's plant is already in large substandard conditions. Ukraine was unlucky, in 00x the production continuity cycle was interrupted. Then they made engine kits for a Pakistani-Chinese tank, but this was not enough for such a plant. When the contract for the BTR-2009 began in 4, it turned out that the plant could no longer master a number of new units. Orders were sent all over Ukraine - "by workshops". You can talk about a lot of wunderwaves, but if they already have nothing to do. The plant is still pulling a small batch. That is what they live on. This problem also exists in Russia. The long-running epic of the production of the Su-57 is, in fact, a bookmark for Armata. Sores are similar to varying degrees of fatality.
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 5 February 2021 08: 11
    +7
    There are no technical problems here. The 5TDFM engine was developed and tested as part of the tank back in the 80s. And the 6TD-1 engine was tested in a batch of tanks object 476 "Birch" back in 1976. And then it smoothly switched as a power plant to the T-80UD (1984).
    The author, in righteous anger and resentment, made a report.
    Object 476 - "Cedar". And "Birch" is "Object 478B".
  13. Borz
    Borz 5 February 2021 08: 12
    +3
    The T-34 and T-64 tanks were indeed some of the best in the world at one time. But what does this newborn state have to do with them?

    The newborn state turned out to be stillborn ...
  14. ares1988
    ares1988 5 February 2021 08: 23
    -1
    "T-64 tanks flash under the collaborationist banner, which for me is just a" yellow-blue rag "and nothing more" - then the tricolor is a "collaborationist" flag.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 February 2021 10: 18
      0
      then the tricolor "collaborationist" flag.

      Justify please!
      1. ares1988
        ares1988 12 February 2021 16: 20
        0
        Well, the author calls the Ukrainian flag a collaborationist, apparently on the basis that it could have been used by some Ukrainian collaborators during the Second World War. Following his logic: the tricolor will also be a collaborationist flag, since it was definitely used by Russian collaborators.
        1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 February 2021 17: 43
          0
          But the Russian tricolor was adopted in Russia long before these "Russian collaborators" crawled out into the world, and the Ukrainian bicolor appeared from the very beginning as a result of betrayal! Do you feel the difference?
          1. ares1988
            ares1988 12 February 2021 17: 51
            0
            When did this betrayal take place? Under Grunwald or later, under Hetman Razumovsky?))
            1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
              Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 February 2021 04: 18
              0
              https://topwar.ru/147170-mify-i-podlogi-o-proishozhdenii-ukrainy-i-ukraincev-mif-3-istoricheski-inorodnyj-flag-ukrainy.html
              1. ares1988
                ares1988 13 February 2021 07: 27
                0
                A good article without a single reference to historical sources. At the OBS level. Although, even it says that the two-color flag appeared long before the collaborators of the Second World War. So, if there is no difference: then why is one "collaborationist" and the other not?
                1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                  Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 February 2021 20: 58
                  0
                  arose long before the collaborators of the Second World War.

                  True, collaborators, they were there long before the Second World War.
                  1. ares1988
                    ares1988 13 February 2021 21: 36
                    0
                    Did the Nazi collaborators appear before the Nazis themselves?) You get an interesting space-time continuum))
                    So what's the difference then? In Russia, there was no state (commercial sea flag), which became state after the revolution and the collapse of the country (interim government). During the Second World War, this flag was used by traitors. After the victory in the Soviet Union, this flag was not used. But it became a state again after the collapse of the Union.
                    The situation is similar with the Ukrainian flag. Why, then, together with the author, do you consider one flag to be collaborationist, and the other not?))
                    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 February 2021 22: 12
                      0
                      In France, the tricolor was also used by collaborators, is it also in the furnace?
                      Once again, for those who did not wake up, the Russian tricolor appeared long before the Second World War, it was introduced by the Russian tsar! And the Ukrainian flag is a legacy of the Austro-Hungarian occupation, to remind you about the first concentration camps in Europe Terezin and Telerhof! Andestend?

                      which became state after the revolution and the collapse of the country (provisional government).

                      Nicholas II accepted him back in 1896.
                      1. ares1988
                        ares1988 14 February 2021 09: 43
                        0
                        And I did not offer the tricolors and the Ukrainian flag to the furnace, this is the author's idea (and yours) - they are collaborationist.
                        What legacy? The flag was used long before the advent of Austria-Hungary. And it became a national state after the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia. With the same success, the tricolor can be considered a consequence of kneeling before the West (specifically - Holland, since they were copied from their flag).
                        What is the difference, if that one, that the other appeared in independent states, and then were used by collaborators in the Second World War?
                      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        Uncle Vanya Susanin 14 February 2021 21: 37
                        0
                        What legacy? The flag was used long before the advent of Austria-Hungary

                        What, what, what !!!!?
                        Ukraine existed long before Austria-Hungary ???

                        And I did not offer the tricolors and the Ukrainian flag to the furnace, this is the author's idea (and yours) - they are collaborationist.

                        No, no, I don't need to ascribe other people's ideas, and the only collaborationist here is the Ukrainian flag.
                      3. ares1988
                        ares1988 14 February 2021 21: 47
                        0
                        That's just why he is collaborationist - you still cannot explain.
                      4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 February 2021 04: 46
                        0
                        I explained it to you, but somehow you don't want to hear request
                        And the Ukrainian flag is a legacy of the Austro-Hungarian occupation, to remind you about the first concentration camps in Europe Terezin and Telerhof! Andestend
                      5. ares1988
                        ares1988 15 February 2021 06: 25
                        0
                        These colors were used even under Grunwald (long before Austria-Hungary), and also prevailed among the Cossacks in the 18th century. The flag itself was first used during the uprising of 1848, when the Main Russian Rada (suddenly, yes !?) demanded national and cultural autonomy for the Ukrainians. Indeed, collaborators and traitors))
                      6. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                        Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 February 2021 10: 05
                        0
                        Those. you still did not read the article, and repeated all the myths that are refuted in it! clearly understood!
                      7. ares1988
                        ares1988 15 February 2021 10: 57
                        0
                        What article? Which was written by a tanker without a single reference to any historical documents or evidence? I read it, I was not impressed. just blah blah blah, believe me it was.
                        Flags do not appear out of the blue, the concept of a flag, especially a state one - it does not come from prehistoric times. The colors yellow and blue have historically been used on banners and khorgugvi. Yes, it's not a flag yet. And yes, these are not the only colors that were used there, although they prevailed. In 1848, it was the flag that was first hoisted, and it was hoisted precisely during the uprising, which demanded national and cultural autonomy for the Ukrainians (or is this fact in your doubt?). Those. from that moment on, it was this flag that began (gradually) to be perceived by them (the Ukrainians) as one of the symbols of national identity. Well, it was approved as a state flag, after Ukraine gained independence (after the collapse of the Russian Empire).
                        What is the criminality of this story, what does the WWI concentration camps have to do with it, what does collaboration have to do with it?
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 5 February 2021 08: 24
    +5
    Ukraine's "greatness" has emerged in many sectors of the world economy. Namely:
    - in pig breeding,
    - in the appropriation of someone else's property,
    - dancing in the squares,
    Concerning the production of tanks, 1 (ONE) tank was produced. Of course, one tank is a vivid example of the economic "greatness" and "independence" of a given territory.
    1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
      Yuri Tverdokhleb 5 February 2021 10: 45
      -1
      Andrei Nikolaevich, I hope you are paying attention to the almost universal negative attitude of the absolute truth?
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 5 February 2021 12: 49
        0
        Yes. I noticed. )
  • BAI
    BAI 5 February 2021 09: 55
    +2
    There are no T-80UD tanks (1984) in Ukraine.

    Some T-80s remained in Ukraine. They either armed the brigade or the battalion.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 5 February 2021 10: 46
      +2
      Tvm is the previous model T-80BV with a gas turbine engine. Produced in large quantities in Omsk and in small series in Leningrad.
  • Constanty
    Constanty 5 February 2021 10: 18
    0
    According to open information, later R&D "Nota" was carried out, within the framework of which pictures of a promising tank were drawn without involving subcontractors to work out the units and systems of the tank, without which it is impossible to create a tank.

    It all ended with such pictures.



    Probably not only pictures, although I agree that Ukraine cannot currently produce tanks on its own.

    Ukraine could modernize its T-64B with the help of foreign elements and, importantly, funding.
    Although it will rather end with an expensive purchase of old Abrams from the desert.
  • Sergey Obraztsov
    Sergey Obraztsov 5 February 2021 10: 29
    +3
    As I always said, our "holy nineties" are over, and in Ukraine they are still going on. Differences in mentality or hard work of security officials? I can’t answer, I didn’t hold a candle. But I am sincerely sorry for the designers and engineers of the military-industrial complex of the Square. I hope that many were able to move to Russia where they can work in their specialty.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 5 February 2021 11: 09
    +4
    This "propagandist" has forgotten one thing the United States in Ukraine does not need the industry, including the tank. Do not forget that Ukraine is in fact a US colony. They will be given what they think is necessary for the conflict with the LPNR and that's it. Well, the European Union will sell the remnants of Soviet technology.
  • Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 5 February 2021 14: 28
    -4
    The author's eyes were so filled with hatred with blood that he forgot to mention BM "Bulat" and T-64BV arr. 2017, which is rather strange if you undertake to review Ukrainian tank building. The result was not an educational encyclopedic article, but a propaganda campaign, unfortunately.
    1. Yuri Tverdokhleb
      Yuri Tverdokhleb 5 February 2021 15: 09
      +1
      Go on a hunger strike to protest?
      1. Thorvlobnor IV
        Thorvlobnor IV 6 February 2021 02: 08
        -3
        Is it because the author is misleading readers about the potential enemy's combat potential? Have mercy! Probably more jellied sturgeon!
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 February 2021 15: 44
    0
    Quote: ares1988
    then the tricolor "collaborationist" flag.

    what do you think is real?
    it seems to me that any flag other than the Soviet one from the USSR is inappropriate.
    1. ares1988
      ares1988 5 February 2021 17: 26
      -3
      Any flag of the current owners is appropriate.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 February 2021 10: 22
      0
      it seems to me that any flag other than the Soviet one from the USSR is inappropriate.

      With all due respect to the Soviet flag, was there no state before the USSR?
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 12 February 2021 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
        With all due respect to the Soviet flag, was there no state before the USSR?

        was of course. But it was a state with an estate society, which was archaic already in the 19th century. And now it is the 22nd century and the return to what “was” is tantamount to the destruction of the country.
        And the USSR and the experience of the Russian Federation have proved that the USSR is the best alternative from what has already been tested.
        Just do not confuse the USSR, which was built by Stalin and other revolutionaries and this state could develop very far into the future and gnawed by mice like Khrushchev and Gorbachev with the nomenclature, privileges and a fiery career Komsomol, which was essentially doomed.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 5 February 2021 16: 41
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    From 57 there is a delivery schedule.

    Well, yes, in my memory, the schedule has been deferred 8 times and already 3 times cut. Further, if you cut, you get just zero.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 5 February 2021 17: 14
    +4
    There is no such power "Ukraine". There is a concentration camp "Ukraine" that does not possess any signs of independence and independence.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 February 2021 19: 35
    +2
    Has she ever existed? Soviet Union, yes, Ukrainian SSR, yes. And Bandera-Selyukovka Ukraine is not even able to grow potatoes for food. And here is the tank.
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  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 6 February 2021 15: 13
    +2
    Soviet Russia, in the Russian city of Kharkov, now occupied by Bendera, built T34 and T64 tanks, when we liberate we will build tanks again.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 6 February 2021 19: 02
    -1
    headline loud .... clickbait straight ....... why do you ask such questions like eeeeeeeeee? everything is simpler ... when they characterize a country like "the land of the rising sun" - it is clear why ...... or "the country of tulips" is also clear ..... when they write "tank-building country" it would be logical to see even statistical data with the eyes on the MANUFACTURING of tanks ...... open statistics for 10 years and stop asking "chewed chewed" questions
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 6 February 2021 19: 05
    +2
    Quote: Torvlobnor IV
    The author's eyes were so filled with hatred with blood that he forgot to mention BM "Bulat" and T-64BV arr. 2017, which is rather strange if you undertake to review Ukrainian tank building. The result was not an educational encyclopedic article, but a propaganda campaign, unfortunately.

    slyuyuyushai .... daragoy .... author of "stupid man and propogandist" we understand .... please to you - do you review specifically the tanks "Bulat" and t-64BV mod. 2017 ... and most importantly, indicate the number of tanks produced, for example, from 2017 ..... an article about a "tank-building power" .... not a country where engineers can draw .... but also about promku, what can start the state itself, which purchases
    1. xASPIDx
      xASPIDx 25 March 2021 01: 10
      0
      I still do not understand the price of the infection?