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No suitcases and train stations: you will live at home

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It so happened that on the day of the trial in the case of Navalny's violation of the sentence serving regime, I agreed with several young people (from among the participants in the march on January 23) to meet. They are students of the nearest universities. Not activists from Navalny's headquarters, not "freedom fighters" and not even "haters" of Putin. Ordinary students who are the kind that say:


"I don't watch TV because everyone is lying there."

They are citizens of some other, virtual country called Internet Russia. And they live there (in this very virtual Russia) a rather active life. At least, even when one hand was busy with another piece of barbecue, the other tapped something on the screen of a smartphone lying on the table. The conversation in common human language was going on in our company. And in parallel, the conversation with someone else was going on in that other reality.

I didn’t specifically ask any tricky questions. It was just that sometimes I pushed the guys' conversation with each other in the direction I needed. The task was quite difficult. And I probably looked like a dense Neanderthal in their eyes, who does not know some elementary and known things to everyone. Like the lead singer of the "Bedbugs" group Vasya Pupkin. I apologize for not remembering the name (although I remember the group - "Cockroaches").

What car did you drive


The first thing I noticed was some kind of blind admiration for the West, implicated in pseudo-patriotism.

“Why do I write“ you ”with a capital letter? Because they turned not just to me, but to us, the older generation, they admitted a situation where we have nothing.

Phones, cars, televisions, even coffee machines and Western brand vacuum cleaners?

We want all the best to be Russian! "

The talk that we survived the defeat in the 90s of the last century is categorically rejected.

“Legends of deep antiquity. We weren't even born then. "

Now I will write a phrase that is strange for many, including for myself.

It turns out that the country was killed not in the 90s, but in the early 2000s! Young people are sure of this. Like this.

Yeltsin and Gorbachev? You (in the sense we are) still remember Ivan the Terrible.

To be honest, the idea is old. I admit that, for example, I myself am happy to look at the new models of VAZ, Kamaz, Urals and other cars, which turn into cars not only for the convenience of work, but also for the convenience of a person. Somewhere out there inside a worm of resentment against our state, against our engineers and designers, our workers at car factories lives. Intellectually understand that not all at once. But the eyes see. Hands feel. And everything else, sorry, on the bumps too ...

The fact that the whole world lives in this way, using those goods that are currently the best in their class, regardless of the country of origin, does not affect the children.

It should be Russian. And the point!

It turns out that youthful maximalism versus mature realism. We talk and think about the same thing, but we, bumping our elbows through life, understand that not everything is so simple, but they are not. They only understand one thing. Should be better than it is!

It seems to me that there was a transformation of our views from the 90s, when the majority saw Western life only through films and the International Panorama on the Central Television. And then they just bought into the beautiful packaging. And today the children bought into the fact that everything is modern, modified,

"There is the best, quality and progressive".

Moreover, it was very interesting to see the Soviet perception of Russia in the eyes of young men who do not know what the USSR is.

There is Russia and there is the West. Not the USA, Germany, France, Italy or any other country, namely the West. As a single enemy or ally. This depends on the political views of the interlocutors.

We again

"one on one".

Only that "one" West, which stands opposite, consists of many countries.

German cars, Japanese computers, Korean telephones, American tractors, etc., against Russian objects, things and constructs.

So far I can’t make an unambiguous conclusion about where this is from.

Why do we, at some deep, far hidden, level take responsibility for all of humanity?

Upbringing?

Doubtful.

Traditions?

Again, inaccurate.

Genetics? So who knows ...

Political vinaigrette in young heads


I have long ceased to argue with those who profess primitivism in politics. What for?

Well, a person wants to earn money, as under capitalism, and enjoy benefits, as under socialism, so what? Explain to him that capitalism and socialism are different social systems based on opposite principles, individualism and collectivism? Ask to explain why the socialist principle

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his work"

contradicts capitalism?

Talking with the young, I suddenly realized that we are the same. We are from those 90s, and they are from the 2020s. Only we perceived the West "through the stomach", and they perceived through "freedom and democracy."

Remember why we prized Western pants, Western tights, Western drinks and more? We appreciated the quality of our products. Yes, it is the quality of the goods. The USSR bought and sold exactly high-quality goods.

I remember the reportage by Valentin Zorin from Germany. 38 types of meat in a regular shop! We looked at all this abundance and even thought did not arise, what kind of meat is this? We savages ate pork, beef, lamb, venison, game. And there, a simple German ate 38 varieties. Later, after years, we began to understand that the type of meat is just what we chose on the market:

"For soup, for goulash, for chops"

and so on.

In the heads of today's young people is no longer the main type of meat. Now freedom, democracy, human rights ... And all this is beautifully laid out in youthful maximalism.

Freedom means anarchy. Democracy means only listen to me. Human rights are when no one can forbid me something! Maybe elections? What do you mean, elections are always lies of those who win. Choices can be correct only when we win.

For some reason, even the fact that in "Internet Russia" you can see not only positive, but also negative about Western life, does not change the main trend -

"Everything is bad with us, everything is good there",

it is politically good.

When I tried to find out why, for example, the demonstrations of Democrats or Republicans in the United States from political ones quickly turn into pogroms at the very first supermarket, I received no answer.

As I did not receive an answer to my security question:

“Why didn’t you smash shops when you walked along the city streets?”

There were big eyes. There was a doctoral view like "grandfather is crazy." But there was no answer.

They were unable to combine the pogroms of stores with "political struggle". By the way, a video from the Netherlands, when the crowd is watered with cannons, was also awarded only -

"They are probably not peaceful demonstrators."

We have completely abandoned political education and political education of our children.

I wasn't talking to freshmen. In front of me were almost ready-made engineers, including those who would very soon design and construct new military equipment and weapons. Moreover, these are really good engineers, not from today's, that "on a paid basis."

On the other hand, in front of me were young men with vague political orientations, with vague political views. They want some improvements, but they don't know what. They want it to be "like theirs," but the government defended itself "like ours."

No suitcases and train stations needed


I foresee the reaction of some radical veterans who have not yet matured "romantics of the revolution." A sort of "suitcase, station, West". Let in other words, but the essence is just that. If we don't like it - forward to the West. Nobody intends to re-educate you. We are not a nursery or a school. If you want it like in the West, live in the West.

By the way, I asked this question too. Why not just move there?

“Who needs us there? There are enough of their own! "

Their own, in the sense of the same students or young engineers. Young people have an understanding that they are Russians, that this is their Motherland. As well as patriotism, albeit peculiar, but there.

Where does such a mess in the minds come from?

I remember those 2-3% of idiots that exist in every nation. They are loud, active, uncompromising, but they are few. But there are such people, my interlocutors, who are looking for their truth. They ask the same questions that we asked at their age. But we got answers and they didn't. What these answers were is not very important. We (with age) ourselves have found the correct, from our point of view, answers to these questions.

Today the young are left without our adult wisdom. By yourself, all by yourself. And then we are surprised at the emergence of radicals of different directions, the emergence of fascists and leftists, the birth of completely "wild" political trends, from the point of view of formal logic. Young people are looking for answers themselves.

Suitcase, train station, West - it's easy. From the series "the fool himself".

And we must start by defining the basic tasks of educating schoolchildren and students.

Who do we want to see in general?

After all, even in the family now there is no answer to this simple question.

"My children must grow up to be good people."

Hooray! And how is a good person? I'm not sure there are many parents in the world who say they want to raise a bad person.

Let's decide who we need - there will be teachers and professors who will perfectly fulfill the task of educating just such a person. The fact that an adult cannot be re-educated, as life has shown, is wrong.

It is impossible to re-educate someone who truly believes in something. And there are quite a few of them. The rest will quickly change their views under the powerful influence of propaganda, as we see in the example of Ukraine.

So, don't offer our children a suitcase. And show them where the station is.

What if, like obedient children, they really get on a train leaving somewhere?

And for whom then did we build it all, destroy it and now rebuild it again?
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 4 February 2021 12: 11
    +1
    They are citizens of some other, virtual country called Internet Russia.

    And this already exists!
    However - “my house is on the edge, I don’t want to know anything!”, They did not come up with it today. Although, the world wide web is not quite the same ... they are different there, all kinds of "knowledge" are recruited according to the most I can not!
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 15
      0
      the example of Ukraine taught them nothing.
      an example is right before their eyes, but they do not want to see it, because it does not fit into their picture of the world where the west is white and fluffy, and Russia is a dense and barbaric country.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 4 February 2021 12: 18
        +6
        Everyone finds the rake ITSELF!
        Who has their own, personal ... others want to jump on strangers!
        The result is the same ... stars from the eyes and a bump on the forehead!
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 20
          -11%
          The problem is that we have a common eye and forehead with these idiots. and if they stuff it for themselves, then we will have a black eye and forehead.
          and they don't understand it.
          and they wonder why the common people are ready to lift them up for only "their right to live as they want", they do not understand that they extend their right to others, and then others will also have to live as they want. while others do not want it and their majority.
          such young animals should be sent to the west.
          let them live in their "paradise"
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 February 2021 12: 23
            +18
            Quote: Dodikson
            the problem is that these idiots have a common eye and forehead

            The problem is like the three-headed Gorynych !!! One drinks, but everyone has a headache.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 25
              -8
              Duc if only I drank.
              their values ​​will soon be European, and then in the morning the lower and behind will also hurt.
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 4 February 2021 12: 41
                +9
                One can immediately see a person who thinks not in memas, not in cliches or slogans.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 44
                  -5
                  remember the scandals when the Maidan was just beginning, they were all in order to catch the leaders of the Maidan with the "boys".
                  and now it will be the same theme because the engine of the revolution is always the same. like fuel, in the form of money from Jewish banks in the United States
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 4 February 2021 13: 09
                    +10
                    A person cannot rejoice at being stalled. And about "your" everything is clear.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 13
                      -4
                      Yes, our people do not want the citizens of the Russian Federation to stand in the stall.
                      but yours want. and allocate a lot of money for a coup in Russia
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 4 February 2021 16: 02
                        +17
                        You need to start with IDEOLOGY! It is necessary to realize that in the Russian Federation, in fact, there is already INFORMALLY an anti-Russian STATE ideology in the form of the COLONIAL-PARASITARY paradigm of the American economist Milton Friedman, which is set forth in his book "Capitalism and Freedom" on the first 20 pages. Otherwise, we Russians will lose our country. Namely.

                        Unfortunately, on this issue, Russian education in the country has long been "sour". The bourgeois ideology of the American economist M. Friedman is no longer called "bourgeois", but is called abstractly class ideology simply "market" with elements of the so-called. "Monetarism" (i.e. bourgeois pursuit of profits).
                        However, it is impossible to equate the concept of real capitalism with all its shortcomings with the doctrinal idea of ​​the American Milton Friedman in the form of a speculative social project, which is being put into practice, to build supposedly perfectly fair capitalism on Earth throughout the world. Due to what?
                        At the expense supposedly the existence in the world of a certain ANARCHISTIC is absolutely "free" from everyone and every world market, which is supposedly absolutely "clean" from profanities and dishonesty both on the part of the participants of the capital market, goods (services) and labor, and from the pressure on them by the national state. And at the same time, the author assumes that all market participants free from the state are initially at all times equal in their life start to each other and can always become rich if they just want it. This is pure utopia and bluff!
                        Behind this attempt by Milton Friedman to whitewash capitalism lies a very definite goal taken by Washington's apologists. Namely.
                        The purpose of this American bluff is to make the sovereign countries "indigenous" for the United States, uncontrollably and duty-free by their governments, mistakenly, free and defenseless from competition, open access for US multinational companies to their domestic markets for the sale of foreign goods and the purchase of "indigenous" wealth by foreigners , enterprises and natural resources.
                        In this case, reduction of native state property in the maximum - to "0" - is promoted by the "market people" exclusively as a public good. For the state supposedly does not need to control anything, there is no need to punish anyone, and there is no need to regulate trade and production either. That at the same time all members of society will become such honest and law-abiding entrepreneurs that therefore it will no longer be necessary to protect the population from swindlers, thieves, robbers and murderers. And therefore, the alleged national state, as an anachronism, will disappear by itself as unnecessary, and there is no need to defend it at all. For the distribution of material goods "from above" at the state level is not required, because everything will be regulated by this "ideal" capitalist market. But those who did not fit into the market are already their problems. Let, they say, they survive on their own, as they can. These include in particular all the so-called. "superfluous" people: pensioners, disabled people, children, etc. - all those who "did not fit into the market." But they should be "happy" with their freedom from the centuries-old, fattening abstract-bureaucratic state, which has always been dreamed of by the anarchists for centuries.

                        TOTAL. All this Milton Friedman's ideology about the alleged existence of the so-called. "free" and "clean" market is an anarchist propaganda of the American establishment to disintegrate the national security of sovereign states to their complete elimination and subjugation of their resources in favor of US multinational companies. And unfortunately, this ideology is UNOFICIALLY adopted by the Russian ruling elite, as a STATE ideology. It is implemented in practice by the government of the Russian Federation, the guarantor of the liberal Constitution of the Russian Federation, deputies of the State Duma and the Federation Council. Based on the very Constitution of the Russian Federation, written for Russian liberals in power by specialists from the United States.
                        And the HSE is the forge of bourgeois young cadres in this comprador economy and its apologists.
                        REFERENCE
                        Compradorism (Spanish comprador buyer) is a way of doing business in which profit is derived from activities that undermine its national economy and reduce its ability to grow and ...
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 45
                        -8
                        therefore, very soon the old faith will revive, and it will revive in Russia.
                        and she will save the whole world.
                  2. Stas157
                    Stas157 4 February 2021 14: 21
                    +14
                    Well, a person wants to make money like under capitalism

                    Is capitalism in Russia? Why are salaries not like those of capitalists, but like in Africa? Feudal lords do not like to share.

                    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work"

                    contrary to capitalism?

                    Sure. A person is often forced to do not what the soul lies in, but where they pay more. And how nice it would be if everyone was paid according to their work! Then there would be no friends of billionaires, and ordinary people would receive more.
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 24
                      -4
                      and what, under capitalism, there are big salaries everywhere?
                      Is there capitalism in India? what are the salaries?
                      and in Bulgaria capitalism? and what are the salaries? capitalism in Egypt? and what are the salaries?
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 4 February 2021 14: 30
                      +14
                      India and Egypt are not quite full-fledged developing countries. Don't look up to the poor if you want to make good choices for yourself.

                      Although, I understand you well - the greatness of Putin is possible only against the background of the damned 90s and backward countries in development. But this is already controversial.
                    3. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 39
                      -15%
                      wow, now what, we're not going to star about capitalism? now let's start about developing countries?
                      and if there is a bummer, then what will be used? population skin color, geographic location?
                      You already screwed up and put up with it.
                    4. kakvastam
                      kakvastam 4 February 2021 17: 19
                      +17
                      There is a capitalist center, and there is a periphery, and the former lives off the latter.
                      And it's strange to hope to live as in the center, being on the edge.
                    5. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 10
                      -1
                      and the body is above the star that once capitalism then wages immediately become high.
                      who stars that? Are you or the passenger taller?
                  3. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 5 February 2021 08: 30
                    0
                    Why are our prices several times lower than those of the capitalists? Or do you want a communal apartment for 500 euros?
                  4. Taga
                    Taga 8 February 2021 10: 35
                    +1
                    Everything is ahead, you look in a dozen years and our communal apartment will catch up to today's 500 € ...
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 00
          +7
          Quote: Dodikson
          in the form of money from Jewish banks in the United States

          What I do not support is the desire to blame the representatives of one, specific, national group for all the troubles ... there is a CAPITALIST OPERATOR, his servants, against all the others. This business is purely INTERNATIONAL, i.e. everywhere "every creature in pairs."
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 25
            -5
            I didn't blame all the Jews. I already discussed this topic with them. and even they admit that yes, there are those among them that spoil everyone's life, and as an example they cited that even they have a lot of Soros.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 4 February 2021 13: 56
        +1
        Memes, slogans alone will not be enough!
        It is possible with macaroni, but my body is sharply opposed ... although, naval pasta, with a REAL stew, is a lot! But again, a stew from MEAT, and not from offal, ears and everything else.
        1. Zoer
          Zoer 4 February 2021 14: 09
          +10
          Real navy-style pasta is made with minced meat. and not with stew.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 22
            +2
            It is all the same delicious when made with MEAT, and not with offal.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 13: 52
      0
      Quote: Dodikson
      Duc if only I drank.
      their values ​​will soon be European, and then in the morning the lower and behind will also hurt.

      From the other side, from the rear ... Shoy then, I missed such an aspect !!! It seems to be very in vain.
  • dorz
    dorz 4 February 2021 13: 04
    -1
    I wasn't talking to freshmen. In front of me were almost finished engineers ...

    We look at the most desirable countries for emigration of Russians, as well as categories of citizens and questions "why?" no more.
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 14
      -8
      and 90% of those who want to dump engineers then work as general laborers and live in conditions worse than in their homeland.
  • 210ox
    210ox 4 February 2021 14: 50
    +11
    These "idiots" in your opinion, ask a fair question. Why does the socialist principle "from each according to his ability to each according to his work" contradict capitalism? But it turns out that it contradicts. Or do we have a different capitalism? Animal. Ability to realize? Under socialism, please! Under capitalism, pay, otherwise you will be tormented by the ability to spread. For work, generally finish. More precisely on the payment of this labor. Why am I working in the same position and giving everything to work, but my salary has dropped over the past three years? They are not idiots, they see and draw conclusions.
  • major147
    major147 4 February 2021 19: 04
    -2
    Quote: Dodikson
    such young animals should be sent to the west.
    let them live in their "paradise"

    Or to Ukraine. Whoever lacks the "air of freedom" - Ukraine will provide it to you.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 February 2021 13: 20
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    The result is the same ... stars from the eyes and a bump on the forehead!

    Thank God if they only get off with a bump.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 06
      0
      Just a bump ... that's for the very lucky! the rest breaks a lot, life itself.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 4 February 2021 20: 25
    -1
    many questions and no answer? "A blind man cannot lead a blind man, whether they both fall into a pit." The basics of manipulation of consciousness 1 split a person's consciousness into unrelated areas (according to Kara-Murze, create a mosaic consciousness), but in my opinion this is to eliminate monotheism and plunge the human brain into polytheism (a lot of dominance according to AA Ukhtomsky), this is done through the imposition of atheism in school. 2 to bring into consciousness humanism (the opposite of theism) and, consequently, admiration for their stupid conclusions. 3 to impose the necessary dominants and stereotypes through simple informational techniques using the media and the Internet.
    zombies turn out that are unable to connect objective knowledge and use it logically, but who are confident in their infallibility, and whoever does not agree with them, they minus and are rude because logic is not peculiar to them, so the ability to think is atrophied, because in order to think you need to tie your knowledge together, that is, have one dominant in consciousness. they get not thinking, only slogans "
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 4 February 2021 21: 01
      -1
      Alexey Alekseevich Ukhtomsky (1875-1942) studied the mechanism of the dominant most fully and consistently. How does a dominant appear? In its development, it goes through three stages.

      FIRST STAGE
      The dominant arises under the influence of internal secretion (for example, puberty) and external stimuli. The dominant attracts a wide variety of stimuli as reasons for feeding. Let us recall how Andrei Bolkonsky sees Natasha Rostova at the first ball in St. Petersburg: “He admired the joyful sparkle of her eyes and her smile, which was not related to the spoken speeches, but to her inner happiness ... you see how they choose me, and I am glad of that , and I am happy, and I love everyone, and we all understand this - and this smile has said a lot, a lot. "

      SECOND STAGE
      This is the stage of formation of a conditioned reflex according to I.P. Pavlova, when the dominant singles out a group from the previous multitude of active excitations that is especially "interesting" for her, the stimulus for this dominant is sampled ... "... the prince stood in front of her with a thrifty, gentle expression and said something to her. She lifted her head, flushed and, apparently trying to keep her impetuous breath, looked at him. And the bright light of some inner, previously extinguished fire burned in her again. She was all transformed. From bad she again became the same as she was on ballet ". Note: at the ball earlier Natasha was excited, beautiful and happy for everyone; now she is good and excited and happy for one prince Andrey; the dominant found its adequate stimulus.

      THIRD STAGE
      A strong connection is established between the dominant and the external stimulus so that the stimulus will cause and reinforce it. The external environment was completely divided into separate objects, only a part of which corresponds to a certain dominant. And not even Prince Andrey himself, but only his name immediately evokes in Natasha that, the only dominant among others, which once created Prince Andrey for Natasha.

      Let us list the main properties of the dominant focus established by A.A. Ukhtomsky: increased excitability, inertia in time (the dominant exists, although the irritation is too large) and, most importantly, the ability to summarize external stimuli, "self-feed them".

      A.A. Ukhtomsky Dominant, "Science", M.-L., 1966

      EXAMPLE
      Here is an excerpt from a girl's letter to a psychotherapist: "Ears upset me most of all, I hate them for their shape and size. I think about them all the time. I even constantly dream of something about my ears, of course. I listen, for example, to Vysotsky's song" Save our souls ", I perceive it as" Save my ears. "I have already turned to cosmetologists several times, but they say the same thing: they say, the ears are absolutely normal, and there is nothing to fool around. But if you do not like it, contact a psychiatrist, he is your brain In general, nowhere is there any sympathy or consolation. At first I thought that all the cosmetologists I consulted had agreed: no one wanted to listen to me seriously, and then I realized that there was no collusion. "

      Buyanov M.I. A child from a dysfunctional family: notes of a child psychiatrist, M .: Education, 1988, p. 172.

      The principle of the dominant is the principle of the organism's functioning, and it turns out that there are no partitions between the inertia of thinking, ordinary and creative thinking.

      "Do not enter into disputes and debates because if a dominant has developed, it cannot be overcome by words and convictions, it will only feed on and reinforce it. This is because the dominant is always self-justifying, and logic is its servant," wrote A. A. Ukhtomsky.

      Let us recall the self-justification: “At first I thought that all the cosmetologists whom I consulted had conspired ...” “And the tragedy is,” Ukhtomsky continues, “that the person himself actively confirms and strengthens in others what seems to him in them: but it seems in others what you carry in yourself. Beauty and Purity pass by, and people see dirt, for they carry dirt in themselves. Here is retribution! And there is only one way out: systematic distrust of yourself, your assessments and your understanding, readiness to overcome oneself for the sake of another, the willingness to give up one's own for the sake of another. "
      What dominants do we see? AUG is cool, an aircraft carrier is a sign of projection of power, Kuzin and Nikolsky are geniuses, Tsoi is cool, Zenith will win everything, Spartak is a champion, Dog is a man's friend, better than people, and Navalny is the best he fights corruption, and Putin has a dacha, the West it's great there are no poor, everything is easy there, only a completely stupid (not that I am the center of the earth) may not be rich, and if I go there, I will immediately become a millionaire, Young are all smart, nothing about these old people, Mercedes never break. If I buy shoes for 5000, then obviously I am smarter than those who bought exactly the same for 3000 and they will probably break with them, but never with me. Everyone needs vodka .... and so on.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 4 February 2021 12: 26
    +12
    I remember those 2-3% of idiots that exist in every nation. They are loud, active, uncompromising, but they are few.
    These 2-3% of idiots make revolutions. Even the author, understanding what he is writing about, gives them to themselves, considering them not an important part, but only loud. And when these violent leaders appear and revolutions take place with the tacit consent of those whose hut is on the edge
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 36
      -9
      revolutions become successful when it is supported by someone in power.
      In that Ukraine, the coup was successful only because practically all the heads of departments, and not only the security forces, but even all sorts of agricultural ministers, betrayed the Yanyka.
      and when the whole top is bought from you, then these loud ones are needed only to create a beautiful picture, they say, it's all the people themselves, well, to intimidate those who disagree.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 4 February 2021 12: 56
        +15
        revolutions become successful when it is supported by someone in power.
        I disagree !!! Which tip was purchased from us in 1917? Power simply lay on the ground and waited for someone to raise it first. In Extremely the same way - everyone just averted and partially fought. Now they teach us how to live on TV, although they themselves have pumped everything. To be honest, even in August 91 we did not have "Lieutenant Buonaparte". And there was a bunch of elders with trembling hands. And no one followed them. And they would go after the lieutenant. And what happened happened.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 00
          -12%
          the whole top was bought, because the revolution was Jewish and with Jewish money
          Nicholas II was betrayed by everyone, even the closest circle.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 4 February 2021 15: 02
            +1
            Quote: Dodikson
            Nicholas II was betrayed by everyone, even the closest circle.

            and who betrayed Kerensky?
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 23
              -14%
              Why was Kerensky's real name Romanov?
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 4 February 2021 15: 25
                +12
                Especially for you - Nicholas II was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks, and in 1917 there were TWO revolutions ...
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 4 February 2021 13: 48
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791
          we didn't have a "Lieutenant Buonaparte". And there was a bunch of elders with trembling hands.
          Yeltsin was younger, but his hands trembled from the morning like those of those elders. The screaming crowd, which had not seen him in the morning, encouraged by the hucksters, carried him in their arms to the heights of power. Who among us would resist it.
        3. lucul
          lucul 4 February 2021 13: 56
          -9
          I disagree !!! Which tip was purchased from us in 1917? Power simply lay on the ground and waited for someone to raise it first.

          Take the noodles off your ears - power can never, never lie on the ground. It's just that the February revolution was done by one clan, and the October revolution was done by another. And no one asked the Russians, just like in 1991.
        4. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 4 February 2021 21: 11
          0
          Quote: NDR-791
          Which tip was purchased from us in 1917?

          done wrong, the revolution was organized by Guchkov and the ministers, and the military lodge (generals) simply arrested the tsar.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 4 February 2021 14: 04
      +11
      I agree with these exuberant percentages. But the conversation is not being conducted with stubborn analnyats. And with quite normal. And I understand the answers. Has the country survived the Mayhem? Yes. But more than twenty years have passed since that time. Remind me for how long did the country rise after the Civil War or after the Great Patriotic War? Maybe it's time to stop nodding for these years and work hard? And young people see in their short adult life that there are thousands of times more stores being built in the country than new industries, wages are low, prospects, so it's better not to talk about them.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 28
        -18%
        and to remind at what cost the country rose after the wars?
        want the same?
        As for me, it’s better not so quickly, but with greater comfort than in the 30s, to drive wheat to the west, despite the fact that millions were starving.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 4 February 2021 14: 54
          +8
          With great comfort, we will find ourselves on the outskirts of technological progress, crawling like turtles. And what does wheat have to do with it? We drive her away anyway, I work in agriculture. And why the thirties? And after the war decade. Yes, it was not easy, but what results! And, well, you are probably one of these, comfortably accommodated. Then questions about fall.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 4 February 2021 16: 53
            +5
            Quote: 210ox
            With great comfort

            If nothing changes me before the war, Bukharin was a supporter of this "theory" ... there is no place to hurry with this industrialization. Everything will come by itself, but only later ... If, despite all the measures, they still did not quite have time to the beginning of the war, then I can imagine consequences if with "comfort".
            1. 210ox
              210ox 4 February 2021 17: 31
              +8
              You know, I fully understand Stalin, who had such companions in the revolution. Bukharin, Trotsky, Zinoviev .. Otherwise it was impossible - they would have lost the state together with the population.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 4 February 2021 17: 37
                +9
                Quote: 210ox
                , I fully understand Stalin, who had such companions

                In 1917, Stalin was different, just he was not a dogmatist. And he developed along with the changes in the situation. He measured theory with practice and developed the theory on the basis of the newly discovered laws.
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 4 February 2021 19: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: mat-vey
                  Stalin ... developed the theory on the newly discovered patterns
                  An example would be one. Lenin has one.
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 4 February 2021 19: 34
                    +4
                    Stalin put forward the idea of ​​intensifying the class struggle as socialist power was consolidated. On July 9, 1928, in a speech at the plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), he expressed the opinion that the "moribund classes" would not "voluntarily" surrender their positions, "without trying to organize resistance."
                    Well, building socialism in one country ..
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 19: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Stalin put forward the idea of ​​intensifying the class struggle as socialist power was consolidated. July 9, 1928
                      And at a meeting of advanced combine operators on December 1, 1935, he pushed this idea aside, saying "The son is not responsible for his father." And what has socio-historical practice shown? In 1941 there was no class war: the German proletarians, without any class solidarity, exterminated the Russians until the Russians conquered them. And if Stalin had not curtailed this "intensifying" struggle, what would have happened? Correctly...
                    2. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 February 2021 19: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: sniperino
                      And what has socio-historical practice shown?

                      And what did she show?
                      Quote: sniperino
                      In 1941 there was no class war: the German proletarians, without any class solidarity, exterminated the Russians until the Russians conquered them.

                      And what did you think that the bankers and breeders themselves would take the machine guns? And they take fascism with Nazism ...
                    3. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 19: 55
                      -1
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      What did you think
                      I did not count, but wrote what happened after. This is like "strengthening the class struggle." And then, as socialism strengthens, the class struggle, what? Well, that you as a child need to be led by the hand through history. And look how inside the country, otherwise you can blame everything on the cunning bourgeoisie
                    4. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 February 2021 20: 06
                      +2
                      Quote: sniperino
                      I did not count, but wrote what happened after.

                      you wrote that the capitalists invented Nazism and Fascism and drove crowds of duped people to solve their class problems.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Well, that you as a child need to be led by the hand through history.

                      And what was there in history? If you are so mysterious about the Great Patriotic War, then this is just a war of two systems and was. Or, according to you, the Germans singled out the communists on some other basis.
                    5. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 20: 15
                      -1
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      mysteriously about the Great Patriotic War
                      Clearly, an alternative. The USSR in alliance with proletarian Britain and the same USA defeated the German nationalsocialistscapitalists
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Or do you think the Germans singled out the communists for some other reason
                      They singled out traitors. Was Vlasov a communist? And tens of thousands of policemen from the nobility were. Do not write nonsense, learn history.
                    6. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 February 2021 20: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: sniperino
                      They singled out traitors.

                      Don't write nonsense - learn history.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      proletarian Britain and the same USA defeated the German National Socialists

                      and immediately began, even before, the "cold war" solely for aesthetic reasons ..
                    7. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 20: 25
                      0
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Quote: sniperino
                      They singled out traitors.

                      Don't write nonsense - learn history.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      proletarian Britain and the same USA defeated the German National Socialists

                      and immediately began, even before, the "cold war" solely for aesthetic reasons ..
                      Do you want to pass off all this as "intensification of the class struggle"? I'm not interested in AI, sorry.
                    8. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 20: 31
                      0
                      PS If only they thought about the title of the Patriotic War, where is the class struggle. Stretch the civil one with a bang, and the Patriotic ...
                    9. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 February 2021 20: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Do you want to pass off all this as "intensification of the class struggle"?

                      What does your correct story say? Capitalism cooperates with socialism? Capitalists sit in beautiful poses and wait for the proletariat in their countries to see the successes in the USSR and send them to the machine or in the field?
                      Why did they start to bother with the social sphere? To spend billions on anti-communist propaganda ...
                    10. sniperino
                      sniperino 4 February 2021 20: 37
                      -2
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Capitalism cooperates with socialism?
                      Are you an alien? "Apollo" - "Soyuz" have not been seen anywhere?
                    11. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 4 February 2021 20: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: sniperino
                      Quote: mat-vey
                      Capitalism cooperates with socialism?
                      Are you an alien? "Apollo" - "Soyuz" have not been seen anywhere?

                      As I understand it, you will not be responsible for your understanding of history .... Is there anything beyond the reach of an average understanding?
  • your1970
    your1970 4 February 2021 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    And why the thirties? And after the war decade. Yes, it was not easy, but what findings!

    What?
    In the thirties, it suddenly turned out that 45 mm armor-piercing shells were piercing against the armor, which should have been pierced easily ...
    In a war, that 60% of armor steel scrap is a normal result. And by 1944, they happily reported a reduction of up to 50% (here on VO article last year) ...

    awesome results ....

    How many anti-tank and tank crews perished because of this, but who knows ... nobody was interested, otherwise they would have to answer the sad eternal questions of Rus- "who is to blame?" and "what to do?"
    Why are there shells ... Having all the possibilities - and not overpowering to calculate the losses for the war.
    Shouting "No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten" and have forests filled with the corpses of soldiers. Was it impossible to drive 2-5-10 divisions into these forests and resolve this issue? Count, install, bury your soldiers in the end? 40 years was not enough for that ...
    I don't even remember about disabled people and veterans. They lived up to capitalism in girders and rotten barracks. Only capitalism has never proclaimed that it is "popular and for the people" ........
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 5 February 2021 19: 48
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      In the thirties, it suddenly turned out that 45 mm armor-piercing shells were piercing against the armor, which should have been pierced easily ...

      The ambush is that, until 1940, these shells regularly penetrated the standard armor plate of the domestic standard (there were no others), confirming the declared armor penetration. Even a batch with overheated hulls - and that worked.
      And in 1940 we received German tanks - and found out that they had cemented armor. After that, they shot all the available armor-piercing and concrete-piercing shells against not only domestic, but also German armor. The results, to put it mildly, were not encouraging: the 45-mm BBS penetrated the 40-mm armor of the German model only from 150 m (when the shell meets the armor at an angle of 30 degrees to the normal).
      1. your1970
        your1970 5 February 2021 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The ambush is

        as they say now, "here the money was raised and the money was raised" ... well, then medals / orders of Socialist Labor received + prizes + summer cottages + state machines + state machines ...
        Quote: Alexey RA
        only with 150 m
        -this figure means - what after 6 (!!!!!!!) seconds the tank is already in the position of the 45mm cannon ... after another 1 second - either he crushes the calculation, or the calculation of the 45-tka undermines himself with him for the company
        they were not just called like that - "Goodbye Homeland", not from the bulldozer .... the reality is sad ...
        would throw those technologists / engineers- who overfulfilled the plan - to the German tanks ... so that they stop them ...
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 8 February 2021 10: 50
          0
          Quote: your1970
          to throw those technologists / engineers - who overfulfilled the plan - on German tanks ... so that they stop them ...

          It is unlikely that the engineers of the early 30s assumed a tank with 40-50 mm cemented armor as an enemy for their cannon. Then this was considered the lot of heavy tanks, to combat which it was planned to use anti-aircraft guns and 107-122-mm guns.
          In addition, I repeat - the armor-piercing projectile pierced the domestic test armor plate, showing the declared characteristics of armor penetration. That is, the TK issued by the military was fulfilled.
          1. your1970
            your1970 8 February 2021 12: 21
            -1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            That is, the TK issued by the military was fulfilled.

            Yes, I understood you, everything was wonderful !!!
            Some mediocrities assigned other "conscientious" performers the task - they did it ...
            And does not matter:
            - that the characteristics of German tanks were already known
            - that for the sake of bonuses and a plan, they ditched a bunch of resources for an insane amount of overheated shells
            - that the troops at the beginning of the war, including because of this, were left virtually without anti-tank equipment. When the main anti-tank gun can penetrate an enemy tank only from a distance of 150 meters, the infantry, which has not been properly fired, will run almost guaranteed. Which happened all the time in 1941-42.

            Immediately, even no after-messages are needed - it was enough for the military representatives require compliance with the technology of manufacturing shells. And they went on about the plan and the prizes .. it is so easy to close their eyes on the "small" shoals of factory workers .. Again, prizes .... socialism, everyone does not care, if there is a piece of paper with a seal and signature.

            And then completely different people blew up and threw themselves under the tanks with grenades ...
  • Taga
    Taga 8 February 2021 10: 46
    0
    Revolutions occur when a revolutionary situation arises, they are not made. They do the maximum coup.
  • ee2100
    ee2100 4 February 2021 12: 30
    +5
    "my hut is on the edge, I don't want to know anything!" (c) this is a Soviet remake, but rightly so "my hut is on the edge, I meet the first enemy"
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 20
      -1
      Quote: ee2100
      "my hut is on the edge, I don't want to know anything!" (c) this is a Soviet remake, but rightly so "my hut is on the edge, I meet the first enemy"

      The word deed is as it should, and so it is applied.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 4 February 2021 14: 30
        +1
        Words cannot be thrown out of the song, and so rough redistribution of the meaning changes to the opposite.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 49
          0
          folk wisdom so that it would be used according to the mind, and not in order to pray for it until the end of time.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 4 February 2021 15: 31
            +1
            What do you call "popular wisdom" a castrated defeatist proverb that completely changed its meaning?
            The meaning of the proverb was changed in the first years of Soviet power for ideological reasons. To destroy the communal structure of the peasants in the countryside. First of all, in the heads.
            And the propagandists of that time were engaged in this, and we see the results of their work to this day.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 4 February 2021 15: 51
              0
              any sayings can exist in parallel, this does not change their essence. apply the one that is suitable in this particular case and all the rules.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 4 February 2021 16: 08
                0
                New sayings can exist as you like, but if the old one is altered and the meaning is completely changed, this is at best a remake. And what is the wisdom of the proverb "my house is on the edge - I don't know anything!" Do what you want, I will be silent? Don't you think that this is somehow not human? You are being robbed, and your neighbor is closed and pretends not to see anything. Cool!
                A couple of examples.
                "Who loves to bow to the earth - without prey there will be no" correct proverb? And if so:
                "Who loves to bow to the earth - will remain a fool" and this is a popular wisdom?
                "You can't catch a fish from a pond without difficulty." Do you know this folk wisdom? And "loves the fool's work" is also your folk wisdom?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 4 February 2021 17: 54
                  0
                  folk wisdom once was also a novelty, invented by someone, expressed, the essence is different ... in how we live, we act now!
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 4 February 2021 18: 45
                    0
                    I'm talking about something else. About how a very correct proverb was perverted.
                    I hope you know Chukovsky's verse "Fly-tsokotukha".
                    There is the same ideological sabotage. The fly - a carrier of various infections and a mosquito - a bloodsucker and a carrier of malaria - are declared positive heroes. And the main villain is a spider. The spider has always been revered in Russian fairy tales as a positive hero who fights against carriers of various infections. He often performs under the name Mizgir. There are also fairy tales about him. Mizgir is an old Slavic name. Parents would not call their son by a negative name.
                    Yes, the changed proverb has entered our daily life. You can't explain this to everyone.
                    Imagine that someone will use an adjective instead of your middle name. Will you like it?
                    All the best to you and your loved ones, and most importantly health!
    2. Tatyana Pershina
      Tatyana Pershina 4 February 2021 16: 57
      +5
      Quote: ee2100
      "my hut on the edge is the first I meet"

      The first time I meet a person who knows this expression!
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 4 February 2021 17: 12
        +1
        Everything is once for the first time hi
  • Simon
    Simon 4 February 2021 12: 34
    +6
    In general, young people need to be educated from their youth. Now in schools there are no youth patriotic organizations, such as the pioneers, and only a newspaper with the name "Komsomolskaya Pravda" remained of the Komsomol. It turns out that the state is no longer involved in the education of young people. So we got what is happening now. Previously, it was possible to go to any sports section or circles for free, but now young people hang out uselessly in the streets and courtyards, looking for where to hang out, drink energy. This is the whole life of today's youth.
    1. Russian jacket
      Russian jacket 4 February 2021 13: 29
      +7
      In something I agree. But my experience says that when they come to production and turn around, many "rebels" change their opinion that a revolution and protest are needed. Life experience makes its own correction. And criticality is already turning on, the head starts to work not at the level of "YouTube said, so it is." But seeing that there is no opportunity to grow professionally, since the places are occupied by clans no worse than in the Caucasus, they spit on this system and live in their own world. But discontent is accumulating .... And when these go out into the street, and this is a matter of time, the authorities will become completely sour.
      1. Zoer
        Zoer 4 February 2021 14: 50
        +6
        The main thing is that there would be the very production where you can come. And then in the store the manager for 25 tr turns on the criticality of another kind. Criticality to the existing way of life in the country.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 4 February 2021 15: 03
        +1
        Above is my comment about the principle of socialism and why it contradicts capitalism. For some reason the author does not understand, and according to him, young people are asking a strange question. He probably thinks that now everyone will be able to realize their abilities.
    2. lucul
      lucul 4 February 2021 14: 01
      -1
      In general, young people need to be educated from their youth.

      So the classic - if you want to defeat the enemy - raise his children.
      And we gave our youth to the education of the enemy, for chewing gum, jeans and Coca-Cola.
      This reminds me - they gave my husband $ 500 and have his wife and daughter around the corner, and he is happy how many bottles of vodka he can buy for this $ 500.
      Ugh.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 4 February 2021 15: 07
        +2
        Well, chewing gum, jeans and drinks were made during the Soviet era. Maybe that's not the point? Yes, young people need to be educated (in a family, by example). And in the state? There is no youth policy at all.
  • dauria
    dauria 4 February 2021 13: 32
    +1
    Although, the world wide web, this is not quite the same ... they are different there, all kinds of "knowledge" are recruited according to the most I can not!


    The volume and speed of information about the world is a "mutagenic factor" for the "genetics" of states. Sausages all developed countries. But Africans, Amazon tribes, Arabs are much less. There is such a thing - family life. It is here that new body cells are born called "country". And every 25 years the country "renews" a generation of cells. The style stores "genetic" information. Heredity, variability, selection of the result. The result is the country. Viable or dying freak.
    The developed world did not notice at what speed change began to occur. Variability has surpassed the possibilities of heredity. Look at the Chinatowns, Diasporas, Roma and Jews ... They resist, their family traditions are worked out by selection.
    What will happen ? I do not know. But the balance will be established again. And one parameter cannot be changed in it - the time of upbringing and the life of a person.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 19
      0
      Quote: dauria
      The volume and speed of information about the world is a "mutagenic factor" for the "genetics" of states

      The question is ambiguous ... like any double-edged sword. Although in my opinion there may be more ends!
      It all depends on the point of application, the direction of efforts and the diligence of many, many, not stupid, responsible people ... if there are any, of course.
      1. dauria
        dauria 4 February 2021 14: 55
        +1
        direction of efforts and zeal of many, many, not stupid, responsible people ... if there are any, of course.

        "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" ... wink Diligence so far has led to the fact that the Arabs breed in Paris like cats. And the "intelligent and responsible" shrug their shoulders in surprise - "Why don't our all provided tolerant dolls want to give birth?"
  • EDWARD
    EDWARD 4 February 2021 14: 02
    +21
    I was always amazed ... how people who did not live in the USSR told me who lived in the Soviet Union how bad life was in it!
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 18
      -1
      Hooray! And how is a good person? I'm not sure there are many parents in the world who say they want to raise a bad person.

      We had a poet - Vladimir Vladimirovich Mayakovsky. In popular verse form, he explained this long ago.
      I remember those 2-3% of idiots that exist in every nation.

      Tell me, why do we need to remember those idiots who could not teach anything good and did not give recipes to gain "what" is bad and disgusting?
      I have long ceased to argue with those who profess primitivism in politics. What for?

      At least then, that primitivism in politics is a private side of the primitivism of life in general. In order for a person to begin to understand what one must eat in order to live, and not live in order to eat ... Especially in three throats. Indigestion may occur.
      Well, a person wants to earn money, as under capitalism, and enjoy benefits, as under socialism, so what? Explain to him that capitalism and socialism are different social systems based on opposite principles, individualism and collectivism? They ask you to explain why the socialist principle "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" - contradicts capitalism?

      Explain the difference between capitalism and socialism? Great! fellow Let's better think about what economic system does not allow the exploitation of man by man in the most perverse form. Let's try to explain what is fairer and how the development of society should ultimately end in this and in this case. In the end. When it's over. When it's over. With the obligatory indication of sources of income for all ...
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 February 2021 14: 25
      +19
      As already got these apologists of "correct education". Yes, more parks "temples", "patriots" should be built and "sports complexes" which no one goes to because of lack of money and time. The main "educators" in Russia are: 1-minimum wage at the level of 170 USD, 2- "middle class starting from 17000 rubles", 3- already "created" "25 million high-tech, highly paid jobs", 4-built clan-family " economy "and" vertical "of management in which there is a complete absence of social and professional lifts for" people from the street ", 5-" tightening the screws "with pumping money out of the population in direct and indirect ways, based on the slogan:" people are the second oil " ... 6-lobbying only those who have money and the complete defenselessness of the rest against arbitrariness - "go to court" sounds like a curse ....
      1. ghby
        ghby 4 February 2021 15: 56
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        "sports complexes" which no one goes to due to lack of money and time.

        We built a sports complex, my son went to first grade, they came to sign up for SAMBO, contributions of 500 rubles a month - for organizing events. While walking three times a week. They installed simulators in the courtyards of the city, in the summer I see young people on them. They don't drink beer but study.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 4 February 2021 17: 23
          +3
          We built a sports complex, my son went to first grade, they came to sign up for SAMBO, contributions of 500 rubles a month - for organizing events. While walking three times a week. They installed simulators in the courtyards of the city, in the summer I see young people on them. They don't drink beer but study.

          1. ghby
            ghby 5 February 2021 07: 39
            -4
            Ndaaa, when there is nothing to say, they mold empty pictures.

            At the end of December 2010 in Omsk, the doors of a new sports and recreation complex, located at ul. 20 years of October, 14.

            The complex with a total area of ​​2615 sq.m has great opportunities and includes 5 gyms:
            - wrestling room - 454 sq.m.
            - boxing hall - 279 sq.m
            - hall for strength training - 176,5 sq.m
            - aerobics room - 154,5 sq.m.
            - game room - 622 m2 with a balcony for spectators for 300 people. - 154,4 sq.m.

            By the decision of the Omsk City Council, a children's and youth sports school named after Hero of Russia Oleg Okhrimenko was opened on the basis of the FOK.

            The purpose of the activities of the Institution is the development of the individual's motivation for knowledge and creativity, the implementation of additional general educational programs in the field of physical culture and sports and services in the interests of the individual, society, and the state.

            Classes in the secondary school are held in 8 sports: judo, sambo, wrestling (Greco-Roman), powerlifting, boxing, sports aerobics, hand-to-hand fighting, kyokushinkai. Classes are held for children from 6 to 18 years old.

            I hope you were not banned on Google, can you find pictures about street simulators yourself?
    3. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 14: 50
      -2
      they no longer tell, just like that. they want to build it into dogma.
  • Kart
    Kart 4 February 2021 14: 52
    -10%
    Quote: rocket757
    They are citizens of some other, virtual country called Internet Russia.

    And this already exists!

    They call it Etastrana. The bloody tyrant King Medveput has ruled there for 300 years. He lives understandably in a palace with whores and American blackjack.
    And all those who disagree are seized by his satraps and hidden in the garbage rooms right in the basements of the palace.
    The population of this country feeds exclusively on hedgehogs, which by the way have already ended. But! Despite the hungry fainting, the population comes out to protest against their bloody regime.
    It is easy to guess that everything in this country was sold long ago by oligarchs, and there are no cars, no factories, no roads, no electricity left for a long time.
    Internet by cards, iPhones are not given out for free, and they do not retire at 20 (as in democratic countries).
    Only one ray of hope remained with the unfortunate - Western democracy and Lesha.
    Will they defeat their tyrant? I think they will win. if the Internet is not cut off.
    Well, we'll see in Russia how they are doing there.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 13
    -8
    the author is right, a bunch of young people are not at all friendly with their heads, they consider themselves smart, but there are no brains from the word "at all", they think with memes, cliches and slogans that everyone is more advanced on the Internet.
    to recruit such people, you just need to allocate more money for the Internet trolls, of which there are already a lot of them everywhere. states do not spare money for this.
    1. Kart
      Kart 4 February 2021 14: 56
      -8
      Right. You can fill their brains with anything.
      In all fairness, a good kick in the ass often helps to return the brain that fell into the pants at a rally.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 14
    +41
    I must note that there is a certain truth in the words of young people .. Take, for example, Comrade Stalin - he received real power around 1930 .. After 20 years, as long as Putin ruled, 1950 came .. I think - to compare the country's achievements under Comrade Stalin and Citizen Putin, it is simply ridiculous. For they are not comparable by definition .. Acts of the titan holding the heavens and the pygmy. What have we spent 20 years and colossal money siphoned from the country over the years on? This could turn the whole country into a blooming garden and fly to Alpha Centauri! What did we get? Poor people and the virtual absence of industry, education, social and science? A triumph of liberals in all areas? Wiping feet on our country by all and sundry? And these are achievements ?? In Gabon, blacks already live better than us .. And put this next to all this with the Stalinist Soviet Union ..

    So - the questions are quite natural, and there are sooooo many of them .. And sooner or later - but our type of elites will still have to answer them .. Otherwise, we will ask. If not us, then the young for sure.
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 4 February 2021 12: 17
      +22
      Quote: paul3390
      I must admit that there is a certain truth in the words of young people ..

      In front of me were almost ready-made engineers, including those who would very soon design and construct new military equipment and weapons.
      So give them that opportunity. Young people vote precisely for opportunities and prospects. Admiring Western goods, they do not see this very opportunity to apply their knowledge. "In terms of the share of spending on science in GDP (1,1%), Russia lags significantly behind the leading countries of the world, being in 34th place. The leaders are Israel (4,25%), the Republic of Korea (4,24%), Switzerland (3,37 , 3,25%), Sweden (3,16%) and Taiwan (XNUMX%). The USA and China, which have the largest volume of domestic expenditures on R&D (research and development "
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 4 February 2021 12: 22
        +13
        Quote: WIKI
        Admiring western goods

        Do we have others now?
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 26
          -19%
          go to the store and see where sneakers, domestos, tide with ariel and mendos with orbit are made.
          you will be surprised when you see that 90% of the import type is made by us.
          1. mat-vey
            mat-vey 4 February 2021 12: 30
            +14
            Quote: Dodikson
            you will be surprised when you see that 90% of the import type is made by us.

            what does it change if the goods are still Western, they just save on transport?
            If you approach this, then 90% of "quality western goods" are made in Indo-China.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 32
              -20%
              as well as for raw materials, energy, labor.
              in fact, only the name is imported, and the product itself is already completely ours.
              1. mat-vey
                mat-vey 4 February 2021 12: 35
                +13
                Quote: Dodikson
                and the product itself is already completely ours.

                Their product - they are the owners, and they determine the recipe, technology and, by the way, what equipment to bring here ... Well, the profit is naturally the same for them.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 39
                  -18%
                  yes, but made in Russia. just like the iPhone is made in China, but it is considered American.
                  but if the borders are closed, then all these domestos and sneakers will continue to be produced in our country, under other names and there will be no shortage
                  1. mat-vey
                    mat-vey 4 February 2021 12: 42
                    +17
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    but if the borders are closed, then all these domestos and sneakers will continue to be produced in our country, under other names and there will be no shortage

                    What kind of production do you represent? Without Western consumables, your production will not last long ...
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 57
                      -13%
                      iPhone, yes, but we make consumables and soaps and domestics.
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 13: 00
                        +10
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        and we make consumables and soaps and domestics

                        So clear ... but for the equipment? Are you aware that all this stuff needs to be repaired and serviced?
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 08
                        -13%
                        Most of the equipment is ours, and they are also serviced by ours.
                        do not confuse Samsung TVs, which we produce and the usual chemical. blot.
                        By the way, are Intel and AMD processors American processors?
                      3. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 13: 12
                        +10
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        in the course and most of our equipment

                        How did Nestlé buy a chocolate production line from IzhMash, and P&G in Nizhny?
                      4. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 16
                        -12%
                        and what do you think that the USSR did not make bars?
                        sneakers in the 90s (late) were made on local equipment, there was even a show about it.
                        and some other pills, I don't remember. there were many of them.
                        but domostos do you think there was no chemical wash in the USSR? and did not make soap in the USSR?
                        and by the way, you have not answered the question - are Intel and AMD processors American or not?
                      5. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 13: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        and what do you think that the USSR did not make bars?

                        And why such an interesting conclusion?
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        in the USSR there was no chemical wash?

                        That's exactly "it was" ..
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        and by the way, you have not answered the question - are Intel and AMD processors American or not?

                        And what is it that worries you so much? These are trans nationals with headquarters in the USA. But considering that they are the main suppliers of "brains" to the Pentagon, they are under the complete control of the USA. Although, with any number of subsidiaries, they were and remain "Western".
                      6. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 44
                        -12%
                        why didn't it bother you? for what, transnationals can use strangers and not create their own, but Russians need to do everything themselves. even wooden sushi sticks.
                      7. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 13: 46
                        +4
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        why didn't it bother you? for what, transnationals can use strangers and not create their own, but Russians need to do everything themselves. even wooden sushi sticks.

                        Do you remember the topic? Or just "talk"?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Admiring western goods

                        Do we have others now?
                      8. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 28
                        -9
                        according to your logic, ANYONE has NO OWN products.
                      9. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 14: 34
                        +4
                        Oh, you mean logic .. What a phrase
                        Quote: WIKI
                        Admiring western goods
                        talking about my logic ?. Note, it's not me "Admiring Western goods" I would just like to see my own ..
                      10. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 14: 38
                        -9
                        not . you are trying to prove that since the machine is not made in our company, then the goods are not ours. and if the product is made by Americans. but the machine was not made by them, then what is wrong with that?
                      11. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 14: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        not . it is you are trying to prove that since the machine was not made here, then the goods are not ours.

                        You again your logic to me. I think if the owner is a Western firm, then their goods.
                        And if our company bought an imported machine, then the goods are ours, but consumables and spare parts will still have to be bought from them. And since we have practically no complete production of our own, we practically do not have our own goods.
                      12. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 24
                        -9
                        no country has a complete cycle of complex products.
                      13. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 15: 27
                        +5
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        no country has a complete cycle of complex products.

                        Tell us what and how many complex products are made at the final cycle?
                      14. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 51
                        -9
                        Tell us what kind of complex products are made somewhere else in the final cycle?
                        if planes and missiles, as well as electronics for the military, we still make.
                        like what airplanes, missiles and electronics are made of for the military.
                      15. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 16: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        Tell us what kind of complex products are made somewhere else in the final cycle?
                        if planes and missiles, as well as electronics for the military, we still make.
                        like what airplanes, missiles and electronics are made of for the military.

                        So you talk?
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Admiring western goods

                        So they admire Western tanks, planes and missiles ...
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        Tell us what kind of complex products are made somewhere else in the final cycle?

                        In Indo-China, for example, and every year more and more ... in Germany, for example, in Japan for example ..
                      16. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 46
                        -5
                        then they are banal Russophobes once they do not like Russian planes and missiles. which are no worse.
                      17. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 18: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        then they are banal Russophobes once they do not like Russian planes and missiles. which are no worse.

                        And where they said about "not liking" - there is probably a pair of each creature, so I would not generalize ..
                      18. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 51
                        -4
                        so you write that they admire western planes and missiles.
                        and amuse tales about fucking Germany and Japan, how cool and advanced they are, where the bast shoe is before them.
                        By the way, what kind of fighters, nuclear power plants and SSBNs with launch vehicles in a full cycle are made in Germany and Japan?
                      19. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 18: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: mat-vey
                        Admiring western goods

                        So they admire Western tanks, planes and missiles ...

                        Have you tried to read it?
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        by the way, what kind of fighters, nuclear power plants and SSBNs with launch vehicles in a full cycle are made in Germany and Japan

                        It is funny when it comes to everyday life, some immediately translate the arrows to the military commissar. What is this for, do not tell me?
                      20. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 19: 01
                        -4
                        no, it amuses me that when we talk about really complex and technologically advanced products, someone starts to prove that he was talking about everyday life.
                        Well, yes, the microwave and toaster are much more complicated than a fifth generation fighter or a new reactor.
                      21. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 4 February 2021 19: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        no, it amuses me that when we talk about really complex and technological products, someone starts to prove that he was talking about everyday life

                        Go back to the beginning of the branch and laugh.
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                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 5 February 2021 05: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  that is, Russia itself cannot produce a full cycle of complex products, while Germany and Japan can.

                  I saw the transfer, eae wings for Airbus made in Germany, loaded onto a Beluga plane and taken to a factory in France laughing All parts are made in 8 countries good I will modestly keep silent about our titanium for Boeing
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 13: 40
    +17
    Quote: Dodikson
    in the course and most of our equipment

    False. The equipment is mostly imported. I personally came across the production of furniture - not a single one of our sawing machines. Trimming, edging - also import.
    But what to say, at all construction sites in the country, heavy equipment is mainly imported, although 15 years ago ours was more than half. See what kind of machinery in road construction - all asphalt pavers and rollers are imported. The heavy truck market is losing to China.
    What kind of our equipment are you talking about?
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 4 February 2021 13: 44
    +7
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The equipment is mostly imported.

    So there is hardly anything else, equipment for production is done, but there is a recipe for their technology .. their standards.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 13: 57
    +6
    Quote: mat-vey
    , and there is its own recipe, its technology .. its own standards.

    And what to do with the submarine, we do not have our own. And it is not expected in the near future.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 56
    -16%
    fucking not getting up, monsieur claims that all the equipment in the chemical industry is imported, because the saw in the sawmill where he visited the saw was not Russian.
    darkness ....
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 15: 16
    +10
    Quote: Dodikson
    fucking not getting up, monsieur claims that all equipment in the chemical industry is imported

    Flick on! good
    MOSCOW, February 8, 2020 / TASS /. The share of Russian high-tech products in purchases by state-owned companies is only 5%, said Sergei Sakhnenko, industrial director of the Rostec radio-electronic cluster.

    Even Brazil is ahead of us in machine tool construction.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 22
    -17%
    darkness, the liberals no longer see the difference between made and purchased by state-owned companies.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 15: 37
    +9
    You are liberals. We have an absolutely liberal government in power.
    And state-owned companies buy a larger percentage of domestic equipment than private ones. This is an axiom.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 50
    -13%
    eh. then the liberals bleat that the state does not support industry and only steals, but here it is necessary, he admitted that the state is trying to buy domestic.
    liberals just to lie, though sometimes they lie that they themselves admit that they were previously starred.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 16: 00
    +5
    Blah blah blah. The Zaputin trolls have a break in the template and confusion of thoughts - when they are poked into facts, they begin to rush and divert the conversation to another topic. laughing
    So what about the share of domestic equipment? wink
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 47
    -11%
    Here is a State Department official and burned, the rhetoric is familiar.
    and the share of our equipment is much higher.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 19: 51
    +3
    Quote: Dodikson
    and the share of our equipment is much higher.

    Ah, dreams, dreams. But these dreams will not come true as long as the liberals are heading the country's government.
  • Zoer
    Zoer 4 February 2021 14: 56
    +6
    Whose technology? Who paid for them? Where is the profit transferred? How much does the work of a line operator cost, and how many of them are needed for this very line? Having answered all these questions, you will understand that the sense in the development of the industry and economy of our country from this "domestic" production is 0,0 ...
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 4 February 2021 13: 38
    0
    Quote: mat-vey
    If you approach this, then 90% of "quality western goods" are made in Indo-China.

    If not more, only the brand is "made in the west", but made to order in China, Turkey, Malaysia.
  • Sauron80
    Sauron80 4 February 2021 12: 43
    +12
    Made or created? The established import line for the production of sneakers from imported equipment by import engineers, debugged and bringing profit to the import company - is it done by us?
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 59
      -15%
      my answer is depends on what do you mean . no electronics, but a trifle in the form of household chemicals, sweets and other things is completely ours. for their lines are ours, and the engineers and the rest are also ours. imported only profit.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 24
        +6
        Quote: Dodikson
        my answer is depends on what do you mean .

        Three times you surprised me with the originality of thought (+++) ... yes Up to this place
    2. Kart
      Kart 4 February 2021 15: 04
      -8
      Quote: Sauron80
      Made or created? The established import line for the production of sneakers from imported equipment by import engineers, debugged and bringing profit to the import company - is it done by us?

      1. WIKI
        WIKI 4 February 2021 22: 41
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        Kart (Stepan

        Your numbers are somehow left-handed. "In physical terms, the production of metal-cutting machine tools was: in 2013 - 2 pieces, in 500 - 2014 pieces, in 2 - 700 pieces." For 2015:
        "The ratios in the structure of the types of both purchased and manufactured CNC machines, according to the existing classification of machines, are:

        lathes - import (91%) / manufacturing (9%);
        drilling and boring - import (89%) / manufacturing (11%);
        grinding and finishing - import (97%) / production (3%);
        electrophysical and electrochemical - import (97%) / manufacturing (3%);
        gear and thread processing - import (98%) / production (2%);
        milling - import (92%); production (8%);
        planing, slotting, broaching - import (95%) / production (5%);
        cut - import (94%) / production (6%);
        different - import (96%) / production (4%);
        additive - import (100%) / production (0%);
        multifunctional - import (91%) / production (9%);
        hybrid - import (100%) / production (0%).
        high-precision, precision, high-precision, ultra-precision, complex five and more coordinate machines - import (99,5%) / production (0,5%). "
        https://www.stankoinstrument.su/journal/article/5296
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 13: 07
    -1
    Quote: Dodikson
    go to the store and see where the sneakers are made, you will be very surprised when you see that 90% of the import type is made by us.

    I won't even look because you can't eat it
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 13: 44
      -2
      I see there are lovers of sneakers, well, well, love further
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 14: 02
        +5
        It's generally interesting with sneakers -
        in Europe, a few years ago, the Mars company through a court banned the use of a certain component due to its harmfulness. So in Europe they stopped using it, finding a substitute. And we continue to use the same harmful component in the production of chocolate
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 27
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And we continue to use the same harmful component in the production of chocolate

          In our food industry, they use that sort of palm oil, for which in Europe and the USA you can sit for a very long time. yes
          What can I say, if in private "eateries" they make a mess, which was not even in Soviet canteens.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 4 February 2021 15: 22
            +7
            Quote: ROSS 42

            In our food industry, they use that sort of palm oil, for which in Europe and the USA you can sit for a very long time.

            Are Margaret Thatcher's wishes come true through the best government ever? laughing
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 16: 19
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            which was not even in Soviet canteens.

            leave the Soviet canteens there was quite nothing
  • paul3390
    paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 23
    +5
    Young people vote precisely for opportunities and prospects. Admiring Western goods, they do not see this very opportunity to apply their knowledge.

    So give them that opportunity - who are you calling for this now ?? what
    And what Western goods - the West has not been producing anything for a long time. So they admire - mostly Chinese goods. laughing
    1. WIKI
      WIKI 4 February 2021 12: 36
      +4
      The goods are Chinese, but the technologies are Western, and they admire the technologies incorporated in the goods. And technologists are a reflection of their contribution to science. The fact that we produce Toyota does not speak in any way about the level of our technology, other than the ability to collect.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 45
        +4
        Uh-huh .. That's just now Huawei and others like him are so desperately trying to spread rot .. What do you think - for what? But just for its own technologies .. Another 15-20 years - and China will be interested in the West exclusively as a sales market .. You obviously underestimate the possibilities and faith in the victory of socialism and the Communist Party of the PRC ..
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 4 February 2021 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: paul3390
          But just for our own technologies ..

          The most important thing in any smartphone is the operating system and processor. And all this is not the result of their own development. At the moment they have created their own OS, but "The new operating system for Huawei smartphones was called a copy of Android" https://rg.ru/2021/02/03/novuiu-operacionku-dlia-smartfonov-huawei-nazvali-kopiej-android. html
          In a word, again "claw-scratch".
      2. Kart
        Kart 4 February 2021 15: 08
        -7
        Quote: WIKI
        The goods are Chinese, but the technologies are Western, and they admire the technologies incorporated in the goods. And technologists are a reflection of their contribution to science.

        Exactly.
        There is only one detail. They invested in this science at the end of the 80s, and in the 90s.
        Of course, they had no time for that, we shouted "El-tsyn" in the square. In between queues for groceries, coupons.
        What technologies are there. The development of which, by the way, is a continuous process.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 16: 20
          0
          Quote: Carte
          we shouted "El-tsyn" in the square

          I quite believe that it was you who shouted.
          1. Kart
            Kart 4 February 2021 16: 28
            -4
            Or maybe it’s you.
            Who knows?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 16: 30
              -1
              Quote: Carte
              Or maybe it’s you.
              Who knows?

              We did not have any demonstrations for Yeltsin in 91 at all.
  • domokl
    4 February 2021 12: 50
    -5
    Quote: WIKI
    So give them that opportunity.

    Just those who will work in the defense industry, such an opportunity is given even in the third year. receiving a diploma. the young engineer knows not only his company, but also his position. Moreover, he already has internship experience in this particular position and at this enterprise.
    Local universities work for local production and fulfill their order
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 04
      -14%
      and how liberasnya began to minus.
    2. WIKI
      WIKI 4 February 2021 13: 28
      +6
      You would have written that the selection of interviewers was made specifically from a specific group of young people.
      They are students of the nearest universities.

      I deeply doubt that all the nearest universities train specialists for military enterprises.
      1. Kart
        Kart 4 February 2021 15: 10
        -7
        So the author is a so-so statesman.
        Thinly, thinly carries an oppositional smell.
        You see, he couldn't explain to them, well, okay.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 33
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      For those who will work in the defense industry, such an opportunity is given even in the third year.

      It is a pity that life is not focused on the defense industry. There is industrial production for various purposes, which allows creating a "new value". There is an interesting foreign method of treating diseases incurable in Russia. There is scientific activity on the development and production of alternative energy sources, the creation of all kinds of new materials (from oil) ...
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      Local universities work for local production and fulfill their order

      And how many percent of those who disaccustomed accept local production?
      1. domokl
        4 February 2021 21: 26
        -1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        And how many percent of those who disaccustomed accept local production?

        I dont know. But students conclude a contract in the third year.
  • KERMET
    KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 09
    0
    So give them this opportunity - this is a question who are you tasked with?
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 23
    -11%
    I, too, do not mind that would raise the country at the expense of such figures as you.
    under Stalin (whom I respect as a paragraph) people lived MUCH worse than now.
    do not fuck even compare the standard of living then and now.
    and people would understand hell if grandfather Pu went on the rails of Stalin.
    everyone wants the country to develop at a Stalinist pace. but none of these people wants to live like ordinary people lived under Stalin. everyone wants others to endure hardships, but they are so be it, they will do all the favors and live in a modern way, with a high, iPhones and sausages.
    1. parma
      parma 4 February 2021 12: 47
      +4
      Quote: Dodikson
      I, too, do not mind that would raise the country at the expense of such figures as you.
      under Stalin (whom I respect as a paragraph) people lived MUCH worse than now.
      do not fuck even compare the standard of living then and now.
      and people would understand hell if grandfather Pu went on the rails of Stalin.
      everyone wants the country to develop at a Stalinist pace. but none of these people wants to live like ordinary people lived under Stalin. everyone wants others to endure hardships, but they are so be it, they will do all the favors and live in a modern way, with a high, iPhones and sausages.

      Well, let's like in Germany at least or in France in terms of living standards ...
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 06
        -12%
        let's . and let's and be the same as the Germans and the French.
        Do you really think that average Russian works as well and efficiently as a German?
        that's just no need to tell fairy tales. for I have seen a comparison in life.
        and I admit that I can and will be able to plow like mattresses, but only not for long. By the way, because mattresses and live on antidepressants.
        did all your colleagues knock on you? or do you work perfectly without jambs?
        1. parma
          parma 4 February 2021 22: 54
          +3
          Quote: Dodikson
          let's . and let's and be the same as the Germans and the French.
          Do you really think that average Russian works as well and efficiently as a German?
          that's just no need to tell fairy tales. for I have seen a comparison in life.
          and I admit that I can and will be able to plow like mattresses, but only not for long. By the way, because mattresses and live on antidepressants.
          did all your colleagues knock on you? or do you work perfectly without jambs?

          Well, they don't even have gas and oil))) maybe the difference is in the ability of large owners to do business? In Europe and the USA, large companies were either created with 0 current owners or their ancestors, and we have many of the top 100 Forbes who created their business from scratch, and not from privatized state property, you are effective ...
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 5 February 2021 05: 20
            -7
            would they give up oil and gas if they had it?
            the same Germany and partly France did not hesitate to live off the coal of the Ruhr Bassein when coal was the main fuel. and did not consider themselves a coal-bed country.
            By the way, why did the states start developing shale gas and oil, if they are so successful? because they pollute the earth, bless you.
            and if they have such a successful big business, then why do all these successful countries live in debt? because they earn so much
    2. KERMET
      KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 11
      +2
      And no one Pu and did not offer the rails of Stalin, the times and aspirations are different. For his time, Stalin proposed something generally fair and promising - was he supported, that Pu offered something comparable?
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 18
        -13%
        lol what? this people decided to die of hunger just to give the country industrialization?
        answer honestly - will you starve your mother and children so that the country would buy a new machine?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 16: 22
          +3
          Quote: Dodikson
          You will starve your mother and children so that the country would buy a new machine?

          Now they are trying to buy themselves a new palace.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 37
            -7
            starving? nothing to eat? do you walk in rags?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 18: 39
              +1
              Quote: Dodikson
              do you walk in rags?

              I go. What?
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 44
                -7
                never mind . for the first time the sight of a homeless person who does not eat anything, swells with hunger, but at the same time sits on the Internet.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 18: 49
                  +3
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  first time mind of a bum

                  And where did I write that I was a bum, little-minded?
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 53
                    -8
                    Yes, only homeless people walk around in rags from the trash heap, the rest have money for at least Chinese stuff.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 19: 04
                      +3
                      Quote: Dodikson
                      Yes, only homeless people walk around in rags from the trash heap, the rest have money for at least Chinese stuff.

                      I wrote somewhere that I carry things from the trash heap? Hey, bodyik, do you even know that according to the consumer basket, expensive Russians are entitled to 7 pairs of socks for 1,4 years, and pensioners as much as 4 pairs for 1,9 years? Pray for Chinese sweatshirts yourself, and I'm a patriot, I only buy Russian goods from fraternal Vietnamese bamboo. Got it, fan of western rags?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 February 2021 13: 43
      0
      Quote: Dodikson
      everyone wants the country to develop at a Stalinist pace

      Forgetting at the same time that under Stalin there was socialism, and now it is capitalism for 30 years.
      1. Kart
        Kart 4 February 2021 15: 14
        -9
        Moreover, they have absolutely no idea what real socialism really is for an ordinary person. Not according to newspaper pipes and not according to party reports.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 4 February 2021 15: 56
          +3
          Quote: Carte
          Moreover, they have absolutely no idea what real socialism really is for an ordinary person.

          And everyone had work, there was always a drink and a snack on the table, and no one was running around in the garbage. And what songs were!
          1. Kart
            Kart 4 February 2021 16: 34
            -6
            Quote: tihonmarine
            there has always been a drink and a snack on the table

            Yep, exactly. Two toffee for three. and if you hand over the bottles, then there will be enough for processed cheese. What else does a Soviet person need?
            I went behind a bush - oops, a glass is hanging on a branch.
            So "and under each bush there was a table and a house ready."
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 4 February 2021 16: 26
          +3
          Just don't tell liberal tales to those who were born and raised under socialism !! We already perfectly remember what he really was.
    4. WIKI
      WIKI 4 February 2021 13: 44
      +8
      Quote: Dodikson
      but none of these people wants to live like ordinary people lived under Stalin

      These people want to understand how it could have happened that the result of the work of generations was used by a narrow group of people who dictate their conditions to the rest, with the help of legislative and security agencies.
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 41
      +5
      Quote: Dodikson
      under Stalin (whom I respect as a paragraph) people lived MUCH worse than now.

      In fairness, I will only note one thing: when Comrade Stalin ruled the country, life was much worse for the people than it is now. It is indisputable, whoever says anything there. Only state structures under Comrade Stalin worked for the development of the country, which led the Soviet people to victories in various important aspects of social and economic development in general. The goals were clear. yes it was for their sake that the people accomplished what they could not accomplish in the capitalist countries ...
      stop This cannot deny some of the excesses that had to be reckoned with. Sometimes because of simple animal fear.
      We need to understand that only a life where a person begins to be fruitful and multiply can be considered good.
      1. Kart
        Kart 4 February 2021 15: 17
        -7
        Quote: ROSS 42
        This cannot deny some of the excesses that had to be reckoned with.

        That would be all the authors of such expressions in these excesses personally, but together with loved ones.
        It then looks much different than from a comfortable chair behind a good monitor.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 February 2021 16: 53
        0
        Quote: ROSS 42
        We need to understand that only a life where a person begins to be fruitful and multiply can be considered good.

        You can understand it, but it's not that simple. Here in one of the developed countries, Germany at the end of 2020, the population was 83 people. In 703, the population of Germany has increased by approximately 925 people. Taking into account that the population of Germany at the beginning of the year was estimated at 2020 52 700 people, the annual increase was 83%.
        Born: 697 651 people
        Deceased: 904
        Natural population growth: -206 people
        Migration population growth: 259 people.
        And now Nigeria is a poor country at the end of 2020, the population of Nigeria was 208 people. In 994, the population of Nigeria increased by approximately 835. Considering that the population of Nigeria at the beginning of the year was estimated at 2020, the annual increase was 5%.
        Here are the main demographics of Nigeria for 2020:
        Born: 8 205 735 people
        Deceased: 2
        Natural population growth: 5 500 346 people
        Migration growth: -71 248 people
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 18: 15
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          You can understand it, but it's not that simple.

          And we do not need this simplicity, which is worse than theft. Dung fly larvae breed in latrines, but this does not mean that the intelligence of a fly is higher than a human. Contraceptives aside, brothels should have the highest birth rates. We should not compare the level of food and nutrition (for that matter), but the level of a person's awareness of his suitability in a country that has its own statehood.
          If a country adopts a constitution, establishes laws and norms of life, then all this should suit the majority of the population and serve the majority for the development of material security and spiritual development.
          The transformation of state foundations into norms for keeping livestock of different sizes, the main task of which is to gain weight and give offspring, is not a subject of comparison.
          Yes. Everything is complicated, but not to such an extent that a small part of the country's population is engaged in robbing most of it in order to arrange their lives outside this plundered community. Both you and me and many other users of the site want to see their country as a well-organized and developed state, and not a place for a gang of people, whose goal is to rob both the people and the country itself.
          I can’t even imagine what “noble” thoughts the Russian oligarchs are guided by when filling their own pockets. Maybe we just need to get rid of the parasitic stratum in society, which has arrogated to itself the right to decide for us how to live and on what means.
      3. Dodikson
        Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 39
        -8
        not quite, otherwise Stalin would not have shot so many people if they had not stolen and harmed.
        the difference is that Stalin could shoot, but not Putin.
      4. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter 4 February 2021 19: 30
        0
        We need to understand that only a life where a person begins to multiply and multiply can be considered good.
        Therefore, in Bangladesh and Malawi, life is just paradise, not like any other Germany and Norway. wassat ?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 20: 03
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Therefore, in Bangladesh and Malawi, life is just paradise, not like any other Germany and Norway.

          Therefore, in a country where there are human and material resources, technology and production, one should not be equal to life in Bangladesh or some Nauru, referring to sanctions and lack of funds ...
          yes
    6. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 4 February 2021 15: 12
      +3
      Quote: Dodikson
      under Stalin (whom I respect as a paragraph) people lived MUCH worse than now.

      And how much worse did they live in 1880 than in 1950, don't you know by chance?
    7. paul3390
      paul3390 4 February 2021 16: 24
      +2
      under Stalin (whom I respect as a paragraph) people lived MUCH worse than now.

      And you, my dear, are not embarrassed that 70 years have passed since then? Or is the concept of technical progress alien to you? And then - not at all a fact. In millionaires - yes, they probably live better. For the rest of the cities and towns - oh, I don’t think so !! This is despite the total absence of work, medicine, education there, the colossal increase in tariffs and price tags for everything - from what alteration do they live better than under Comrade Stalin, under whom everything was completely different? Or are you a supporter of the thesis that there is no intelligent life beyond the Moscow Ring Road?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 4 February 2021 13: 05
    0
    You talk about the past, the future is unknown to anyone. We make the present ourselves. hi
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 43
      +4
      Quote: Alien From
      We make the present ourselves.

      This is common demagoguery. There can be no present without the past, and the future without the present. Live one day like a moth? It is unreasonable. No.
    2. Kart
      Kart 4 February 2021 15: 18
      -7
      Just the opposite.
      The future is known with varying degrees of probability, sometimes very high.
      But the past is unknown to anyone. Because we know about it only from the words of other interested people.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 16: 02
        +2
        Quote: Carte
        But the past is unknown to anyone. Because we know about it only from the words of other interested people.

        Revise (look) please:

        It turns out that in order to know part of the story, you need to live longer. To know history (to be a historian) you have to live forever. In one thing, you are right: we know history from the words of others, because we are mortal, and history is written by those who benefit from it and how it benefits.
        1. Kart
          Kart 4 February 2021 16: 37
          -2
          We most likely will not meet such a historian as Bulgakov described.
          So just yourself.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 21
    +8
    Quote: paul3390
    What have we spent 20 years and colossal money on,

    Fiercely plus! Just do not separate the period of the 90s as something foreign to today's course. We have been debunked in full for 30 years.
    1. Kart
      Kart 4 February 2021 15: 20
      -9
      Here is another question - what did you spend 30 years on - from the 70s to the end of the 90s?
      And we spent 20 of those to prevent us from being finished off by 30 of those.
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 4 February 2021 14: 29
    +5
    Yes, I join you completely ... because I see how they are taking all those who disagree, in a direction convenient for the authorities, namely: they throw a veil on them of a kind of childish - unreasonable - Navalnyat revolt ... but no guys, I'm over forty, for example, and to my friends and colleagues ... and we are putting it mildly, we are not satisfied with the policies of Putin and the government, for many fair circumstances ... and so you can talk for a long time about unreasonableness and the West ... everything is so ... but life is getting worse, the country is humiliated as only they can ... failure is just everywhere and in everything ... changes are definitely needed
  • Kart
    Kart 4 February 2021 14: 58
    -9
    Quote: paul3390
    I think that comparing the country's achievements under Comrade Stalin and Citizen Putin is simply ridiculous.

    Stalin with what should be compared? With Nicholas 2, or with Lenin?
    Well, let it be with Nicholas 2.
    So Putin is then comparable to Yeltsin. Well, as a last resort with Gorbachev.
    But here everything turns out to be quite the opposite, and the comparison is in Putin's favor, and strong.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 4 February 2021 16: 29
      +4
      Not. To compare - it is necessary with the fact that this character is blamed and denied. Otherwise, you will soon begin to compare Putin with the times of Batu. However - he already tried to push all the troubles of the country onto the Polovtsy and the Pechenegs without you. laughing
  • Terenin
    Terenin 4 February 2021 12: 15
    +15
    The author himself gives, in my opinion, the answer to his reflections
    We have completely abandoned political education and political education of our children.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 4 February 2021 12: 21
      +10
      Hi Gennady soldier
      To begin with, from the Temple of Knowledge, that is, from school and other educational institutions, where they taught, educated, gave a start in life, blinded an office for the provision of SERVICES! This will come out sideways to us more than once.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 4 February 2021 19: 16
        +4
        Quote: rocket757
        Hi Gennady soldier
        To begin with, from the Temple of Knowledge, that is, from school and other educational institutions, where they taught, educated, gave a start in life, blinded an office for the provision of SERVICES! This will come out sideways to us more than once.

        Of course so yes
        And the leading "scientific and educational" gadyushnik of "liberal thought" in the country is the Higher School of Economics.

        Hello Victor hi
    2. unaha
      unaha 4 February 2021 12: 29
      +1
      Is it? The other day "political education and upbringing" was hammered into their heads, and literally. Well, everyone already draws conclusions from such upbringing.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 4 February 2021 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: unaha
        The other day "political education and upbringing" was hammered into their heads, and literally. Well, everyone already draws conclusions from such upbringing.

        Well, yes, it's all like "Jehovah's brothers". Ideas are Christian, but they are hammered into their heads that even the devil will not understand. And the main thing is never to convince these "brothers".
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Terenin
      The author himself gives, in my opinion, the answer to his reflections

      Instead of political education and political education of our children, the average statistical leveling, accounting and education of an insatiable "consumerist" have been successfully applied.
      1. Kart
        Kart 4 February 2021 15: 23
        -7
        Political education and upbringing already bore fruit in the early 90s.
        The USSR, which gave all this with a crash, collapsed. It is in the hands of those who were politically educated and brought up in the Soviet school.
  • prior
    prior 4 February 2021 12: 17
    +20
    It can be seen that the author has the same mess in his head on the question of the image of the future as the youth he describes.
    Why? Because no one has an image of a happy future in modern Russia.
    And the youth went out to protests for the future, and not smash shops.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 21
      +8
      there is simply no image of a happy future in modern Russia

      There is. This is the Soviet Union. Corrected and supplemented according to the experience of the past years.
      1. prior
        prior 4 February 2021 12: 26
        +4
        Back to the Future? What are we going to do with the country of palaces and mansions?
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 30
          +10
          The Soviet Union 2.1 is not backward, it is forward into the future. For only socialism is capable of saving our country. It seemed to me that over the past 30 years, everyone who has at least a spinal cord and the rudiments of a conscience was convinced of this. what

          "Stalin did not become a thing of the past - he disappeared into the future"! bully
          1. prior
            prior 4 February 2021 12: 36
            +5
            Yes, I am not at all against a social socialist state, rather even for.
            I'm talking about how difficult and bloody it can be, if at all possible.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 4 February 2021 12: 47
              +5
              I'm sorry - I don't really understand you. Is the Soviet Union some kind of abstract speculation ?? belay what
              1. KERMET
                KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 14
                +7
                What's incomprehensible - no one voluntarily and without a lot of blood will not let you just build a second USSR
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 4 February 2021 16: 32
                  +1
                  Well yes. So what? What conclusion should we draw from this? To watch meekly how serfs are made of our children and a garbage dump from the country ?? If only the type of blood was not spilled? Yes, you, my friend, I'm looking straight Tolstoyan ..
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 4 February 2021 19: 34
                0
                Is the Soviet Union some kind of abstract speculation?
                Will the now independent republics jump into a new union?
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 4 February 2021 20: 42
                  +3
                  And on feijoa they are needed there ?? belay Sit on our necks again? wassat Nooo - the right to enter the new Soviet Union will first have to be earned .. bully
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 4 February 2021 20: 56
                    0
                    Are they needed on the feijoa?
                    And to ally with himself or what?
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 4 February 2021 13: 32
              +14
              Quote: prior
              I'm talking about how difficult and bloody it can be, if at all possible.

              I would say that a socialist state is inevitable. But regarding the bloodshed, then the question is for the authorities. If they had adhered to the Constitution, then everything would have gone peacefully .. but judging by Platoshkin, there will be no peaceful way. They are afraid of real democracy and elections.
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 13: 15
            +4
            Quote: paul3390
            "Stalin did not become a thing of the past - he disappeared into the future"!

            still find him
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 4 February 2021 16: 33
              0
              He will find us himself. Don't even hesitate. For this is our only chance ..
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 4 February 2021 14: 49
        +6
        Quote: paul3390
        There is. This is the Soviet Union. Corrected and supplemented according to the experience of the past years.

        It was about this that a wonderful person spoke about - Platoshkin Nikolai Nikolaevich (while he was at large):
      3. Vlad world
        Vlad world 5 February 2021 00: 57
        -1
        Well, yes, then we will dramatically increase Soldering Russian. We did not have time to drink completely.
        We will unfasten not 30 percent from income (for feeding the fraternal peoples), but all 50 percent. This is without injections into the budget of the USSR-2.
        Excellent prospects. But some will live under communism.
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 February 2021 12: 25
      +8
      And if in the minds of young people there is a "political vinaigrette" (according to the author), then the "dedugans" have a "political jellied". Trembling, cold, inert and not loved by young people ...
    3. stalki
      stalki 4 February 2021 12: 39
      -2
      It can be seen that the author has the same mess in his head on the question of the image of the future as the youth he describes.
      Why? Because no one has an image of a happy future in modern Russia.
      And the youth went out to protests for the future, and not smash shops.
      Our main mistake is that we are not going to form this image. I form it myself for my children and for myself as well. I don’t expect the authorities to get to that.
      Ps what kind of youth came out? Imperfections and dropouts? This is not youth, it is plankton. Without faith, without goals, without a future, without understanding that the future depends on themselves. This is a spoiled, insignificant mass of snickering children and adolescents, whose parents clearly gave up on upbringing.
    4. Deniska999
      Deniska999 4 February 2021 12: 41
      +12
      The request is really simple: social justice. And many went after her. The authorities are losing to social networks: faced with a freeman, where people can express themselves as they like, the answer is one - to prohibit. And we need to establish a sincere dialogue and conclude a new social contract.
      1. KERMET
        KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 15
        +6
        What agreement are you going to conclude with the oligarch? Labor - it already exists
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 4 February 2021 14: 29
      0
      Quote: prior
      Because no one has an image of a happy future in modern Russia.

      There is not even an idea of ​​building a social society. And there is no foundation what kind of society, socialist, capitalist, people's democratic, and so on. But I listen, look and come to the conclusion that it is more likely to be anarchic.
    6. Kart
      Kart 4 February 2021 15: 25
      -7
      It is clear "for the future", it is like "for all the good."
      Understand that the results will not be what you expect. Because everyone has their own happy future. And most likely you will not like them.
      We are talking about the future in general, in principle.
      And then just the protests are trying to deprive him.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 12: 22
    +5
    In the heads of today's young people is no longer the main type of meat. Now freedom, democracy, human rights ... And all this is beautifully laid out in youthful maximalism. from the article

    And also, think, modern youth leads a healthy lifestyle (healthy lifestyle) ... belay He does not drink, does not smoke, and does sports))) (How did they (young employees of my company) get me with their lectures to their Leader (that is to say to me) (I drink, smoke and have sex) laughing laughing laughing )

    So, the future belongs to them, whether we like it or not, but something tells me that Putin will not become the eternal President - and this decision will not be made by us, the older generation, but such "onizhedeti" who are now being bludgeoned on the streets with clubs ... The future belongs to them good
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 28
      -11%
      lolche? and even more young people who do not smoke or drink either, do not want what those who are described in the article want.
      if these young ghouls try to turn the country backwards, then even more young ones will also go out on the street and let them know with kicks in which direction it is better for them to get out of the country.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 12: 30
        +3
        Quote: Dodikson
        lolche? and even more young people who do not smoke or drink either, do not want what those who are described in the article want.
        if these young ghouls try to turn the country backwards, then even more young ones will also go out on the street and let them know with kicks in which direction it is better for them to get out of the country.

        I did not understand a word what you wanted to say, give me a detailed answer to my post good
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 4 February 2021 12: 34
          -7
          and there it is easy to understand, you think only by the fact that you yourself sympathize with those who are described in the article, and you describe that ALL youth is like the one described in the article. and this is a lie. they are just as small a fraction of the youth as the liberals among adults.
          and damn young even if grandfather Pu leaves, dies, transfers power, supports those who continue his course.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 12: 40
            +3
            Quote: Dodikson
            and there it is easy to understand, you think only by the fact that you yourself sympathize with those who are described in the article, and you describe that ALL youth is like the one described in the article. and this is a lie. they are just as small a fraction of the youth as the liberals among adults.
            and damn young even if grandfather Pu leaves, dies, transfers power, supports those who continue his course.

            I do not know about which part of the youth you are talking about, and I am about those who have read a lot of "harmful fiction" like the Constitution of the Russian Federation and are firmly convinced that this should be so in life laughing
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 01
              -7
              here I am about the same. You see only piles and think only of them smart and fluffy. and the rest, of whom the majority, you do not want to see, because they do not fit into your vision of the world.
              1. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 13: 09
                +1
                Quote: Dodikson
                here I am about the same. You see only piles and think only of them smart and fluffy. and the rest, of whom the majority, you do not want to see, because they do not fit into your vision of the world.

                The coolest thing is, they don't know who Navalny is for the most part belay wassat tongue
                They are the centers of the Universe, where the whole universe should revolve around them, because they began to be taught from school (the State taught with our money) - that even if the parents raised their voices to you, you should immediately call someone like that - not to mention using the belt for pedagogical purposes ... am As the saying goes, "what you sow, you reap")))
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 19
                  -5
                  understandably . navels of the universe with inflated conceit.
                  I've seen about five of these in my life. ambition, a lot of skills minuscule, although I'm lying, one was a sensible head of the transport department. but this is not a designer of planes, ships and missiles.
                  1. Virus-free crown
                    Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 13: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    understandably . navels of the universe with inflated conceit.
                    I've seen about five of these in my life. ambition, a lot of skills minuscule, although I'm lying, one was a sensible head of the transport department. but this is not a designer of planes, ships and missiles.

                    And I see these every day am Knowledge - 0, ambition - to heaven !!!
                    But such garbage ... the future belongs to them ... we are already the "slag of history" ... how sad it is to admit it ... crying
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 55
                      -7
                      and in the design bureau they see a lot of young people who go to the defense industry and their heads understand perfectly, and now they are gaining experience.
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 12: 50
            +8
            You know, I have 6 nephews and a son, from 7 to 17 years old, all of them .. I often chatted / heard on the DR, where a lot of guys gather different, a lot of different things about politics .. and so .. I have never heard from any of them words support for the GDP and its course .. on the contrary, I heard a lot .. but at the same time they are mostly patriotic ..

            P.S. they do not know at all that it may not be Putin, the 90s, etc. - they have it from birth, and the 90s for them are really on a par with the war of 1812 for us ..
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 4 February 2021 13: 03
              -7
              because at their age you have to be cool, and cool are those who do not obey the rules and who fight with someone at the top.
              Or will you say that AUE is what awaits us all? for fucking how many young animals were under them.
              then they begin to think with their heads and begin to understand what's what.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 13: 21
                +6
                I specifically wrote that they are not going to rallies. it is illegal, and AUE does not profess .. and they are not registered with the police and are not even called to school for their behavior .. ordinary children .. not frostbitten who are against everyone and for anarchy ..
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 4 February 2021 15: 56
                  -8
                  Your AUE may not profess, but there are entire regions where AUE was as pioneers, without joining it will be difficult in life (that is, in high school), but this does not mean that the whole country lived like this and now Russia will go into a criminal future.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 16: 52
                    +1
                    I think AUEs don't care about Putin and Navalny at all .. Or are you leading to the fact that I just don't know the students, who is Putin? So at home they don't talk about politics too much, it's their environment of communication itself and the opinion was formed without the participation of adults ... well, go to some two hours or somewhere else where students from all over Russia communicate en masse, for the sake of interest, probably something then you will discover in their position ..
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 36
                      -5
                      yes, you finally get it. schoolchildren cannot be for Putin, because it is not cool.
                      and then when brains appear, then they begin to understand that it is better with Putin than with the liberals.
                      1. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 18: 58
                        +2
                        and in 15 years Putin will surely be alive and sane? Didn't you think?
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 4 February 2021 18: 59
                        -5
                        will be his successor. or do you think that once he dies then immediately put the anal to power?
                      3. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 19: 32
                        +2
                        and Khrushchev is the successor of Stalin's cause? And Andropov Brezhnev? And Putin Yeltsin? another person - different orders ... And, yes .. I hope that not under Putin there will be no more "Rotenbergs" again - I really hope .. And I also hope that Oval will never be president .. and who should "put" him In your?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Corona without virus
    in lawlessness they beat on the streets ... the future is theirs

    well, actually according to the law
    Quote: Corona without virus
    And also, think, modern youth leads a healthy lifestyle (healthy lifestyle) ... Does not drink, does not smoke, and is engaged in sports)))

    don't tell me about healthy lifestyle
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 4 February 2021 13: 49
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Quote: Corona without virus
      in lawlessness they beat on the streets ... the future is theirs

      well, actually according to the law
      Quote: Corona without virus
      And also, think, modern youth leads a healthy lifestyle (healthy lifestyle) ... Does not drink, does not smoke, and is engaged in sports)))

      don't tell me about healthy lifestyle

      I WILL NOT drinks
      But what a garbage ... at the last company, the programmers department of 12 people did not drink or smoke belay
      And there were 50 people in the company ... the rest besides them had a full blast good not in a healthy lifestyle in the sense)))
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 4 February 2021 13: 55
        0
        Quote: Corona without virus
        did not drink or smoke

        despite the fact that we are now eating about any healthy lifestyle, even a conversation cannot be conducted
  • antivirus
    antivirus 4 February 2021 12: 23
    +1
    What these answers were is not very important. We (with age) ourselves have found the correct, from our point of view, answers to these questions.

    - I doubt the correctness of our (and my) answers to the challenges of life. everything flows and everything changes.
  • svp67
    svp67 4 February 2021 12: 25
    +5
    No suitcases and train stations: you will live at home
    But is it only such young people? In the same way, this applies to all our officials and deputies, at any level.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 4 February 2021 12: 41
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      In the same way, this applies to all our officials and deputies, at any level.

      As regards, it is as regards to it, only like Orwell's volume ... and the degree of equality is determined by the one with the strength ..
  • Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 4 February 2021 12: 28
    +15
    Where does such a mess in the minds come from?

    Honestly, I want to forward this question to the author. What he wrote in the article, especially in the first part of it, is simply in no way
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 4 February 2021 12: 31
    -4
    Alexander, a good article and the right question .. because these "almost engineers" children of the 21st century will decide the fate of the country in 10-15 years .. and for them links to the 90s are already ancient antiquity .. there is very little time left until that moment when will they decide ..
  • iouris
    iouris 4 February 2021 12: 31
    -7
    Live ... It's unlikely. Not for that Navalny was sent in a sealed plane.
  • pytar
    pytar 4 February 2021 12: 34
    +6
    Well, a person wants to earn money, as under capitalism, and enjoy benefits, as under socialism, so what? Explain to him that capitalism and socialism are different social systems based on opposite principles, individualism and collectivism?

    Dear author, probably haven't heard of social democracy and its variants, quite successfully combining the capitalist system of production with social security systems.
    The author is still wrong that individualism and collectivism are necessarily associated with capitalism and socialism! Failure to take into account the mental characteristics of different peoples leads to such, to put it mildly, incorrect statements! For example, the Japanese have very strongly developed collectivism, and at the same time Japan is a capitalist country! On the other hand, socialism, in its authoritarian forms, forced peoples with an individualistic way of life, to switch to collectivism, which is unusual for them. As soon as socialism collapsed and coercion fell away, people in these countries returned to their natural understanding.
    The problem of the author and his opponents / these young people / is the polarity of opinions! They don't see that there is a huge palette of colors between black and white!
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 22
      +3
      Think, would this palette be if there were no black and white in history? Only the confrontation between the two systems gave rise to them. Now one of these systems is gone - I think the palette will decrease over time
      1. pytar
        pytar 4 February 2021 13: 37
        +1
        You probably understand that the poles are necessary for movement ... + / - bully Located right on them means "came", like everything ... Better to be between them, you have to move! The movement can be uneven, and sometimes in the opposite direction / regression /. In the period in which we are, one of the poles weakened and the movement slowed down. But this is temporary, it is accumulating energy. According to the laws of nature, it is the young generation that carries this energy! Nature is not merciful to the old, but it should be so ... The old stem dries up, a fresh new grows in its place! hi
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 February 2021 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: pytar
      For example, the Japanese have very strongly developed collectivism, and at the same time Japan is a capitalist country!

      The Japanese retain an archaic feudal way of life, not collectivism. That is why MacArthur did not touch the emperor. Japan is a US colony. The Japanese only do what the Americans cannot do.
      "Capitalism", "social democracy" (in the modern era) existed only as long as the world socialist system existed. Now states will wither away, corporations will replace them. Corporations are no longer interested in capitalism, social democracy, trade unions, free speech and other vestiges.
      1. pytar
        pytar 4 February 2021 15: 27
        -1
        The Japanese retain an archaic feudal way of life, not collectivism.

        Arch. feud. the way of life instilled in the Japanese a sense of shared responsibility, which they have retained until now. Indeed, for the disobedience of one individual, the whole village could be punished. No member of society could exist without relying on others. The cult of authority, collectivism, herd feeling, discipline, whatever you want to call it, all this is the steadily formed Japanese national mentality. It doesn't matter what kind of system they have.
        "Capitalism", "social democracy" (in the modern era) existed only as long as the world socialist system existed.

        In the competitive struggle, capitalism was forced to evolve, acquired sociality. But socialism turned out to be not so flexible, it fell behind and died ...
        Now states will wither away, corporations will replace them. Corporations are no longer interested in capitalism, social democracy, trade unions, free speech and other vestiges.

        In the absence of competition, destructive processes inevitably occur. Until the next accumulation of energy. In which direction it will go, we can assume.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 4 February 2021 12: 36
    -3
    When these "citizens" need money, they immediately become fluffy. Spit if it's not!
  • Alex66
    Alex66 4 February 2021 12: 36
    +7
    And for whom then did we build it all, destroy it and now rebuild it again?

    It's a good question, look for someone who benefits, but at best 10% of citizens under the leadership of 100 billion benefited from this, while the rest are sliding into the abyss of poverty, the middle class is being destroyed. Here is the answer, a bunch of rich people robbed the country, hired a guard of servants and sits at a feast, going to escape to "Miami" in case of a nix. On this example, when the older generation must work to the grave, you cannot bring up the youth.
  • Professor
    Professor 4 February 2021 12: 39
    +8
    In front of me were almost ready-made engineers, including those who would very soon design and construct new military equipment and weapons. Moreover, these are really good engineers, not of today's, that "on a paid basis."

    They will-will "design and construct new military equipment and weapons," but not in the Russian Federation. They will leave and will not do it in the Russian Federation. The rest will go into commerce ...
    Well, people want to live well. What is criminal in this?
  • Markovic
    Markovic 4 February 2021 12: 40
    +7
    In these comments, the complete lack of attempts to analyze the situation and understand this generation is depressing, but only the constant labeling. This is understandable, apparently, the authors have neither the time nor the skills to carry out such an analysis. The image of the country, the way of life in it is created by cinematography. And our cinema is so wretched, depressed that only a representative of the security forces, who, in fact, is the main character of these films, can watch it.
  • Suslin
    Suslin 4 February 2021 12: 46
    0
    All the "fuss" with the restructuring of education has led to a sad result. And they did not receive competent specialists and lost convinced "revolutionaries". And now again "we will destroy the old world, and then ..."? Maybe it's enough to shy away from side to side, and to revive the idiological education of youth and the propaganda of ideas?
  • for
    for 4 February 2021 12: 58
    +5
    Political vinaigrette in young heads

    Maybe you already have a senile vinaigrette. Most young people live and work without any vinaigrette. They live in accordance with the realities of modern life. And instead of this scribbling for the "old" to go to the youth platform. In their youth, they did not dance a square dance and sang songs of their parents (not a drinking one). Enough coveting, about poor children, there are many examples about a clown who betrayed and hooligans who died for their homeland. Time will tell who is who.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 4 February 2021 12: 59
    0
    I personally did not like the article. Sheer confusion!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 4 February 2021 13: 02
    -3
    Nothing complicated here, it's just that in the west they know how to lie and make beautiful packaging for junk better than us, especially about 38 types of meat. Well, if only about Uncle Bens where Negro drawn wassat lol And my refrigerator Orsk worked for more than thirty years and a vacuum cleaner Uralets about 15. But in cars, yes, after the mid-60s they began to lag behind
    We went through all this and realized what was the cost, and the youngsters rush, because they don't know what is beyond the horizon. But everything is trite, as in the novel Fathers and Children of Turgenev. And these blotters probably do not know such a surname and the heroes of this novel. But in their gadgets and social networks like a fish in water. It is necessary to return the method of Soviet education, naturally, taking into account the current realities.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 February 2021 13: 03
    +1
    What is the article about? Again, about the braces or on the topic do not go children to Africa for a walk, you have everything. smile
  • ccsr
    ccsr 4 February 2021 13: 03
    -7
    Thanks to the author for the article, it is almost about my situation - the son of a sophomore Baumanka, a state employee, and will work specifically on military topics in the future. It's hard for me to find a language with him; indeed, the author has precisely noticed how they relate to the older generation. I'm not trying to get into his soul, because they consider us to be some kind of backward, but at the same time, when he needs something, we easily find a common language. I did not notice any particular admiration for the West, apparently the fact that they study at a regime enterprise most of the time, and there the teaching staff is more conservative and without any liberal foolishness in their head - the exact sciences do not depend on beliefs.
    To the author's rhetorical question
    And for whom then did we build it all, destroy it and now rebuild it again?

    I will answer with only one word - FOR THEM. I hope they do not profuse our country as we successfully did in 1991.
    I think the author will continue the cycle of such articles - as I understood from the teachers of the university, and in the course of what today's youth lives, which we not only catch up with, but even cannot understand what their guidelines are. Frankly, I was very interested in the topic.
    1. mine
      mine 4 February 2021 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: ccsr
      son sophomore baumanki, ... they most of the time they study at a secure enterprise,

      fool
      RAPID ensign Ssyk (ccsr) you can't even lie lol
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 14 February 2021 16: 29
        0
        Quote: mina
        (ccsr) you can't even lie

        You apparently did not understand that literate people have been laughing at your "knowledge" for a long time - you deserve it. By the way, in "Baumank" from the first year, some groups of students receive service passes to the enterprises of the "Almaz-Antey" concern, where they have classes in classrooms. And there they have most of the classes - you are simply not in the subject, that's why they laugh at you here.
  • KERMET
    KERMET 4 February 2021 13: 04
    +3
    I have a mess in my head, and I also climbed the young to teach and censure ...
  • ee2100
    ee2100 4 February 2021 13: 05
    0
    Another propaganda - bring up children, and "children", as the author writes, are students of the last year. Let's check that the author talked to them.
    It's just not clear what the article is about. Not a word about the protests, although 23.01.21/0/XNUMX was mentioned. About Navalny is also "XNUMX".
    So what are the author's counterparts unhappy with?

    "They understand only one thing. It should be better than it is!" (C)

    And what's wrong with that? The author writes that this generation lives in "virtual Russia" and where does this follow? The fact that they don't watch TV? No, they live in real Russia with all its positive and negative sides. And if they don't like something, they want to convey it to the authorities.
    Why do they go to protest actions? In defense of Navalny? In part, yes, but most of the protesters want a constructive dialogue with the authorities. The government basically pretends that it does not understand this and rigidly crosses unauthorized actions. One gets the impression that these protest actions are at the hands of the authorities. Once again, I want to flex my muscles.
    The authorities achieved their goal - the protests came to naught. And what about the protesters? Not only those who went outside, but also many who stayed at home. They once again made sure that the authorities do not want to listen to them, let alone enter into a dialogue.
    And you ask yourself the rhetorical question "who benefits from this?" It is clear that this situation does not unite civil society.

    "Talking with the young, I suddenly realized that we are the same. We are from those 90s, and they are from the 2020s. Only we perceived the West" through the stomach ", and they through" freedom and democracy "." (C)
    I would replace the words "freedom and democracy" with one word - justice. I'll leave your stomach to you.

    "Well, a person wants to make money, as under capitalism, and use benefits, as under socialism" (c)
    I wonder what such benefits were under socialism that are absent under capitalism?

    After talking with the "children", draw conclusions that in their understanding:

    "Freedom means anarchy. Democracy means only listen to me. Human rights are when no one can forbid me something! Maybe elections? What do you mean, elections are always lies of those who win. Correct elections can only be when, when we win. "(c)

    And you immediately wonder where the author went and with whom he spoke.
  • AB
    AB 4 February 2021 13: 05
    +6
    We have completely abandoned political education and political education of our children.

    No, not us, but the Russian government. The author should not be aware that according to the Federal Law "On Political Parties", political parties are prohibited from interfering in the educational process of educational institutions. This means that the State does practically nothing to educate young people. The so-called "Public youth movements in Russia" make up only 2-3% of the youth. The budget for 2021–2022 provides for a reduction in funding for youth policy. But the collective West is increasing funding for youth work in Russia.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 4 February 2021 13: 06
    -7
    Yes. Young people have beaten the shores. We must take care of the country, not for an individual person. It is unpleasant for me when young people rush to the Russian Guard with their fists for some kind of person. And it is unpleasant when they are mercilessly beaten with clubs. But these young people grew up with us. What are we? They were given, then they received. Paid education. They will tell me this is capitalism. And in the Czech Republic there is socialism? If many go there for someone else's bread. Before blaming someone, you need to think deeply. I saw a lot of guys who were taught whipping. Nothing good came of it. Aggression breeds aggression.
  • Alexey Polyutkin
    Alexey Polyutkin 4 February 2021 13: 12
    +2
    The author is Neanderthal and has no idea about the economy and budget filling. Of course it is not possible to produce the very best. But we must strive for this! It is necessary to conquer the market! Look out the window and look around the apartment: all foreign-made gadgets and 90% of foreign cars drive around Russia. It's not a matter of prestige! These are jobs and taxes to the budget! And all this colossal money goes to other countries! Just think about it! Even the turbines at the CHPP are German !!! The French pumps are already installed! Everything that the USSR produced for itself and half of the world. Understand the dear author! Again, manufacturing is products with high added value. And these are, first of all, jobs, taxes to the budget and highly qualified personnel. And from here follows the Level of life, everyday life, consciousness and so on and so forth. Those young students are right and they have more brains than the author of this article, no matter how he boasts of his age and experience)))))
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  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 4 February 2021 13: 15
    -9
    It is necessary to recruit all stupid young rams, for two years, without fail. Do not make allowances for the "elitism" of origin and minor incidents with health. All "flat-footed" and "premature" horse-drawn troops in the cavalry, on barrels, "zolotoryami".
    Army education and oath, will make of idiots and devils-PATRIOTS of the Motherland.
    1. Alexey Polyutkin
      Alexey Polyutkin 4 February 2021 15: 36
      +3
      You are another Neanderthal. Not necessarily in the army, as you put it in gold ... It is more effective to give a clever and talented a laboratory and reagents than a shovel and kerzachi. You are just some kind of saldafon ... And not from a great mind, as I can see.
  • Alexey Polyutkin
    Alexey Polyutkin 4 February 2021 13: 15
    +1
    I will add that the USSR was destroyed, among other things, by the dogma from Western assistants: why produce when you have oil and you can buy everything?
    So I consider the author's article as sabotage, propaganda and enemy !!!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 4 February 2021 14: 20
      -4
      Quote: Alexey Polyutkin
      I will add that the USSR was destroyed, among other things, by the dogma from Western assistants: why produce when you have oil and you can buy everything?

      And I thought that the USSR destroyed our people, who went to rallies throughout the country with posters "Down with the Communist Party of the Soviet Union" and "Hands off Yeltsin"
      1. Alexey Polyutkin
        Alexey Polyutkin 4 February 2021 15: 33
        +1
        I said including. This time. Secondly, you need to understand that American advisers advised the Yeltsin team in terms of economics that we still cannot clean up. And it was intentional to push us deeper into the Stone Age. So, one of the principles, inspired by our "partners" into the heads of the "reformers", was the principle: there is nothing to support our enterprises, that we need to buy over the hill.
        We still buy a lot
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 4 February 2021 13: 31
    +7
    It is not young people who live in a virtual country, but the Kremlin diaspora. They built their own little world and ride around the neck of the whole country.
  • Serpet
    Serpet 4 February 2021 13: 32
    +22
    I didn't quite understand what the author (Alexander) wanted to say. The fact that young people have youthful maximalism and do not know other authorities than the current one? So this is understandable.
    About Navalny: I think he is a man of the current government. For 15 years he has been "spoiling" the life of the Kremlin, but they cannot do anything with him. When necessary, the opponent is quickly dealt with (Nemtsov, for example, or muddying Grudinin).
    If the people's discontent cannot be stopped, then it is better to lead it through a dummy person.
    1. kamakama
      kamakama 4 February 2021 14: 25
      +1
      Anything can be. The question is, to what extent are these people controlled by the authorities at the moment. Sometimes they go on their own. How Bin Laden, for example, was created with American money in the 80s
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 4 February 2021 16: 02
      +4
      They forgot about Platoshkin, shared their thoughts in a letter, became an extremist at home bunks as well. "That's it. You walk, go to school and ... bam! Second shift" (c) smile And Navalny has grown up ... uh, uh, the Kremlin's foster child and you don't need to go to the grandmother ... After all the demonstrations in his defense have taken place, I won't be surprised at the appearance of new federal laws restricting rights and freedoms. Amendments were not in vain adopted laughing
  • Alexey Polyutkin
    Alexey Polyutkin 4 February 2021 13: 32
    +4
    About turbines, I'll open the topic: a power plant with Siemens turbines was launched on the Crimean Peninsula. In addition to the cost of these turbines, commissioning is naturally carried out under the supervision of German engineers, an hour of work which costs from 1000 euros, + travel expenses, etc. etc. As a result, Germany receives money to the budget, a German engineer takes his salary to Germany and pays taxes there, and Vasya Pupkin remains in Russia with a salary of 40000 rubles. Which screwed on 2 nuts that the engineer said. How can you not understand this? Am I asking the author? How! Moreover, they began to re-develop turbines themselves, realizing such waste. What did you say? And so it goes, we will buy machines and iPhones and cars in Europe, etc. in America. let the workers there receive decent wages and drive on decent roads built with decent contributions to the budget?
  • DmSol
    DmSol 4 February 2021 13: 35
    -2
    Nothing wrong. This youth will get families. Will start to work. It will stick with its muzzle, so to speak, into real life. And he'll get quite healthy pragmatism. And all this husk will fly off by itself.
  • zenion
    zenion 4 February 2021 13: 41
    0
    How can they understand, if Russia won the Great Patriotic War and World War II, and the former allies write that it was the Council of Union, then the brains of those who know that translate this into Russian will be the Soviet Union can melt. And agitation propagandists continue to write that the Germans fought not against the USSR, but against Russia.
  • svoit
    svoit 4 February 2021 13: 41
    0
    Quote: Dodikson
    Do you really think that average Russian works just as well and efficiently?

    This is not the point, even if our work is twice as bad, this does not explain that the standard of living is more than two times worse.
    1. hhhhhhh
      hhhhhhh 4 February 2021 14: 20
      +4
      How does a bus or train driver work better and better in the EU or the USA compared to a driver in the Russian Federation?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 4 February 2021 13: 42
    0
    do not believe in TV but do they believe "independent" bloggers?
  • kamakama
    kamakama 4 February 2021 13: 51
    0
    I don’t remember in which part of "Love in Russian" (like the 2nd), when there were elections for the governor (we are talking about the mid-90s), they said "The way we used to live - you can't live. But how we live now - it's so impossible." ... This phrase reflects the whole view in general. It is not creative, it is destructive. But this in no way redeems the current government, which is slowly losing touch with reality, cooking in its own juice and its idea of ​​the hierarchy.
    Over the past 100 years in Russia, every time this happened, the case ended in blood, a lot of blood. 1917, when Nikolai Aleksandrovich wrote that he was the owner of the Russian land, 1937 (and after him - 1941), when competitors pressed each other, and the winner thought that power was to substitute his neighbor, 1980s, when there was nothing to eat ...
    "17 thousand rubles (250 dollars) is the middle class" and "there is no money, but you hold on" by leaps and bounds are bringing the spiral closer. Young people see no prospects in their lives - at all. Neither the opportunity to earn normal money, if not close to the authorities, nor to buy a house for themselves, saving from $ 250 - and they are convinced that this is normal.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 4 February 2021 14: 14
    +1
    In the US and the EU, there is not as much free wifi as we have. We would have visited there and immediately began to appreciate Russia.)))
  • kriten
    kriten 4 February 2021 14: 30
    +2
    This is the Internet, stupid people for whom work is a tick-tock antics. Brainwashed parasites that our Soros-reformed education prepares in abundance.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 4 February 2021 14: 50
    +4
    On this issue, I always remember Pavlensky Pyotr Andreevich, while he was freaking out in Russia, in the West they wrote from the emotion of his "eccentricities" ... art. But as soon as he in the West began to repeat what had been done in Russia, he was immediately put on trial.
  • kamakama
    kamakama 4 February 2021 15: 12
    +1
    Quote: pytar
    For example, the Japanese have very strongly developed collectivism, and at the same time Japan is a capitalist country!

    Check out what Korean and Japanese labor is. Be very surprised. The company there is such a big family, and not the one with the wife and children. Where workers are such unreasonable children, and bosses are their parents. And if unreasonable children want candy (money), then parents hold an educational conversation about the fact that we are all a family and everything has its time. Dismissal is a universal sadness, because in any other place you will build your career from the very bottom. This is not collectivism, this is feudalism
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 4 February 2021 21: 04
      0
      what is hired labor for Koreans and Japanese.
      In Korea, 40 hours a week is a part-time job. Full-60+ hours per week belay ... In large cities there is an hour / hour and a half to go to work one way. Vacation-10 days. In practice, you won't even have time to spend what you earned. This is = slavery.
      1. kamakama
        kamakama 5 February 2021 13: 23
        0
        Gee, that means Moscow is almost Korea. From a sleeping bag or the nearest area to work less than an hour is an absolute rarity. Well, a formal working day of 40 hours really means 50-60 hours. Vacation - how lucky. And you will have time to spend - on housing and on the treatment of nerves
  • wow
    wow 4 February 2021 15: 15
    0
    Until these vyunosh dug a trench "from the fence to lunch" with their own hands and eat a couple of buckets of crap with their talkative mouths, they won't understand anything. Especially while their mothers and fathers are fed and clothed. And then ONCE and, the sledgehammer of real life hits their head.
  • Korax71
    Korax71 4 February 2021 15: 22
    0
    Author laughing
    [/ quote] And I probably looked like a dense Neanderthal in their eyes, who does not know some elementary and familiar things to everyone. Like the lead singer of the "Bedbugs" group Vasya Pupkin. I apologize for not remembering the name (although I remember the group - "Cockroaches"). [Quote]

    it would be possible to work at least a little and hammer the name of the group into Google. Dmitry "Sid" Spirin, your interviewee youth is suitable for dads laughing already born in 1975 and this group was fashionable at best in the 90s and the beginning of the 40s. the main contingent of listeners to this group are adult uncles at the age of XNUMX, so it looks more like such young people look like neonderthals if they listen to the music of their dads. although it seems to me a slightly different option wassat
  • yehat2
    yehat2 4 February 2021 17: 04
    +4
    It seems to me that there is no Russia left on TV at all - only advertising and propaganda. That is why I watch there only 2-3 times a year football and cross-country skiing. I bought one and a half meters diagonal TV, hundreds of channels, you can watch while lying on the couch, but there is neither time nor desire. As for the youth, everything is simple - they have no authorities. Nobody can explain to them how to live properly. The only thing that is true for them is the obvious dependence of the standard of living on the amount of money.
  • Trickster
    Trickster 4 February 2021 17: 11
    +3
    A strange article from reflections on abstract things. The main thing is the standard of living and talk should only be about this. The standard of living of both the West and China for an ordinary person in Russia is simply unattainable. The average salary of a teacher in China, for example, is 190 thousand rubles per month. There are even more in the USA and Europe. Young people can see and know this very well. And therefore, he actively dumps or works, as I do for American companies, if he cannot leave. Everything else is about abstract concepts that are based on the root of everything, namely the level of life of an ordinary person.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 4 February 2021 18: 05
    -1
    Where does such a mess in the minds come from?


    Either there will be a clear worldview in the minds that clearly and unambiguously explains the surrounding reality, or there will be various fantasies about the surrounding reality in the minds.

    You just need to say right away that in a bourgeois state such a worldview cannot be broadcast at the official level, since it forces you to expound the truth, only the truth and nothing but the truth, while truth is the worst enemy of the bourgeois system. Hence the notorious "mess in the minds", because the place of the missing truth is filled with a wide variety of fictions, myths, delusions, superstitions, stereotypes and other fantasies.

    But there will always be a reason for protest sentiments in bourgeois society, because society will never agree with the myth that it should live at the behest of a handful of moneybags and work for their benefit. Another thing is that protest moods, directed by "minds with porridge", i.e. without adequate theory, goals and strategy, they will never pose a threat to the bourgeois system, because in these "minds with porridge" there is no real an alternative to the bourgeois system.

    Simply put: even if the protesters take power, they will not know what kind of social system should be built instead bourgeois and what kind of economic model should be built instead capitalist. As long as there is porridge in the minds and there is no clear understanding, the bourgeois system can calmly rest on well-deserved laurels.
    1. clerk
      clerk 7 February 2021 11: 50
      -1
      Before building "another system" these "those who took power" will simply have to understand what they want to get in the end. Because apart from "Putin down with" they have no specifics. Therefore, they run away from discussions.
  • nnm
    nnm 4 February 2021 19: 00
    +2
    Mastered 100-150 comments. I understood one thing:
    - Well, what kind of upbringing of young people can we talk about if, for the simplest reason, we ourselves arrange an average of a universal scale, comparing sneakers, equipment, Stalin, salaries and the principles of socialism / capitalism ?! We can't figure it out with ourselves!

    And the main thing, which I will not tire of repeating:
    1. No patriotic education will have an effect, because outside the walls of the school / family, a teenager will face exactly the opposite manifestations. Moreover, on a massive scale and from representatives of the highest strata of government, business, etc.
    2. Any system is tuned to self-reproduction and self-defense - it is extremely naive to believe that the current system of capitalism in the country will allow the emergence of any socialist manifestations.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 February 2021 20: 20
    +1
    Another "about education". There were many of them, there will be many of them, but .... ...... no, but you hold on!
  • sniperino
    sniperino 4 February 2021 20: 48
    0
    Quote: mat-vey
    Quote: sniperino
    Quote: mat-vey
    Capitalism cooperates with socialism?
    Are you an alien? "Apollo" - "Soyuz" have not been seen anywhere?
    As I understand it, you will not be responsible for your understanding of history .... Is there anything beyond the reach of an average understanding?
    There is an example of cooperation, understandable to the student, instead of intensifying the class struggle and the extinction of the class struggle after 1935. That's it, I no longer answer nonsense.