American press: "F-35 overcame one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world"

During the Red Flag exercise, the United States Air Force, Royal Air Force and Royal Australian Air Force managed to "break" the air defense network of a potential enemy. The main "work" was done by the F-35, according to a Popular Mechanics article on the fifth-generation American fighter jet.

The publication described the course of the exercise, in which both the fourth generation fighters F-16, F-15 and Typhoon, and the fifth - F-22 and F-35 took part. Actions aviation the three countries coordinated the E-8 Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System (Joint STARS) combat control and targeting aircraft.

During the maneuvers, fourth-generation fighters played the main role, and the F-35 conducted covert surveillance. The enemy was portrayed by American aircraft in Russian livery.

(...) enemy fighters in Russian Su-30 livery began to approach

- writes the edition.

The publication does not report what actions the planes took, but emphasizes that in the end the coalition planes won, and the main role was played by the F-35 fighter, which managed to overcome the advanced air defense system, which is understood as the Russian one, judging by the coloring of the "enemy".

Ultimately, the F-35 was victorious, breaking one of the world's most advanced air defense networks and transmitting data to missile-powered fighters such as the F-16.

- adds the edition.

The author of the article recalls that the main advantage of the F-35 is computing power, not speed and weapons. To date, the main problems with the fifth generation fighter are associated with its high cost and software, but over time this will all be fixed.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

I still don't understand ... whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

[Victor_B]

Quote: Hunter 2

whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

So they have no others ...

[Uncle lee]

air defense system, which is understood as Russian, judging by by coloring "enemy".

Cool ! We painted our planes and bravely defeated them!

[novel66]

painted - for them the most terrible ..

[Uncle lee]

Quote: novel xnumx

painted - for them the most terrible ..

[Shurik70]

I did not understand.
They used in the exercises Its "the most advanced" air defense system.
They managed to crack it.
And bragging about it ...

[smart ass]

What's not clear? Used the computing power of Ф35 and outplayed air defense in Tetris

[figwam]

You cannot praise yourself - no one will praise.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: figvam

You cannot praise yourself - no one will praise.

I would be surprised if the "Russian" planes did not win at their exercises. They are far from GK Zhukov, who in the operational-staff game in January 1941, playing for the "Western", gouged General Pavlov, playing for "ours". What can they tell the world, even if they lie to themselves?

The war showed that in the first game, where a real scenario was played out, Zhukov was right and everything happened the way he did. But in the second game, the "orientalists", having applied what is now called "cheating" in computer games and weightlifting, won. According to the second scenario, the Americans are now "playing". But how does it raise self-esteem ...

By the way, in the first game Zhukov played for the "western" and fought offensive battles, won and received from Stalin "a cap". And to the second game, where Zhukov played "eastern" and again led "offensive battles on enemy territory" by forces of six cavalry ( !) divisions - there were no complaints. The war, as I said above, confirmed the correctness of the first scenario, for which the disgrace was removed from Zhukov, and General Pavlov, Zhukov's "enemy" in both games and actually commanding the troops in the second scenario, was shot a month after the start of the war.
In the event of a real war, will the Americans shoot the commander of such exercises?

[yehat2]

Before G.K. Zhukov, who in the operational-staff game in January 1941, playing for the "Western", gouged General Pavlov

this is not entirely true. During the exercise, Zhukov pretended to be attacking, but at that time he placed the main forces for defense in a fortified area on the site of the Kaliningrad region.
And Pavlov simply merged his main forces in a head-on assault on these fortifications
So, rather, Pavlov gouged himself, having 40 combined-arms divisions against 30. In fact, the scenario of the beginning of the Finnish war was repeated

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: yehat2

During the exercise, Zhukov pretended to be attacking, but at that time he placed the main forces for defense in a fortified area on the site of the Kaliningrad region.
And Pavlov simply merged his main forces in a head-on assault on these fortifications

All this is true and correct, only you, excuse me, have not completely read the description and the course of the first game. Yes, Zhukov retreated to a prepared bridgehead, pulling Pavlov's strike forces 15-30 kilometers away from the main ones. And he struck at the junction of two groups of Pavlov, advancing forward and striking the flanks and rear of the "eastern". As a result, there was a threat of encirclement up to 20 rifle divisions and up to 4 tank brigades of the "eastern". The game was then terminated. 13 days of "play" time have passed.

Now compare with what happened in the first weeks of this war. Bialystok area - practically German generals acted according to Zhukov's "outline". Naturally, Berlin did not know about the details of this game. I doubt that, in principle, they knew about the game. But Zhukov is an excellent strategist and tactician. And in Berlin, the war was also led not by a half-educated corporal who imagined himself to be the greatest military leader in history, but by generals armed, like Zhukov, with the advanced military theory of that time. Therefore, the decisions were made similar.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Zoldat_A

But Zhukov is an excellent strategist and tactician.

About Zhukov - a strategist, it is doubtful. Stalin was engaged in strategy. A - a tactician, yes, undeniable.

[outsider]

- Because of the Stalinist "strategy" the entire army of June 1941 was completely defeated ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Outsider

- Because of the Stalinist "strategy" the entire army of June 1941 was completely defeated ...

Did Khrushchov tell you this? They say the operations were planned on the globe. So? Listen less to Svanidzev and Volkogonovs and ... they are endless.

[zenion]

Outsider (Michael). It was at this time that the troops were commanded not by Stalin, but by Zhukov. When he realized that they did not understand anything, then he became the commander-in-chief and created the General Staff from not only clever generals, but even majors. And Zhukov was the eldest where they would be sent. Waving a pistol at the nose of those who could fight with shouts I will shoot everyone. And when Stalin died, it turned out that Zhukov won the war. Three times he rewrote his memories and each time in a different way. I did not add and correct, but in different ways. And everything from memory, the pieces of paper that he sent to the General Staff, absolutely did not believe and did not want to.

[businessv]

Quote: Outsider

Because of the Stalinist "strategy", the entire army of June 1941 was completely defeated ...

It was at that time that Stalin temporarily withdrew himself, and Zhukov was the chief of staff.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: businessv

It was at that time that Stalin temporarily withdrew himself, and Zhukov was the chief of staff.

Zhukov was appointed early. General Staff in January 1941 and expelled in July of the same year for the loss of command and control of troops through com. armies and corps.
Before the creation of the GKO, Stalin was not engaged in military leadership. Therefore, I could not "move away". He dealt with the STATE.
Zhukov, in his memoirs, read, often complains - "But Stalin did not give reserves." It was in the battle of Moscow (Zhukov commanded the Western Front). Why did Stalin, despite Zhukov's requests, not give reserves? Because Stalin was a strategist, and Zhukov, not being a strategist, asked them to perform only tactical tasks. Stalin, on the other hand, took up reserves for the planned defeat of the Germans near Moscow. Which he did.

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Zhukov was appointed early. General Staff in January 1941 and expelled in July of the same year for the loss of command and control of troops through com. armies and corps.

And where did you see the discrepancy with my post? At the beginning of the war, it was Zhukov who was chief of the General Staff of the Red Army. As for military leadership, no one could do it without Stalin's approval, and I did not even write that Stalin had to do it. More details about all here: https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/9328

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: businessv

And where did you see the discrepancy with my post?

Quote: businessv

It was at that time that Stalin temporarily withdrew.

He could not "withdraw" because he did not lead the army.

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

He could not "withdraw" because he did not lead the army.

Well, you give! He led the country, and this is much more important, because the Armed Forces were created to protect the country, and they are subordinate to the country's top leadership in strategic terms! You will not argue that the appointment of the NSh, or any significant appointment could have happened without Stalin's knowledge !? Read the material on the link, everything is cleverly rolled out there.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: businessv

Well you give!

Yes, it's not me, you give it! Ponder the words - to lead an army in peacetime without having any authority. And only his appointment as chairman of the GKO gave him such a right. You are all held captive by the myth of Stalin's omnipotence before the beginning of the Second World War. This is not true!

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

You are all in captivity of the myth of Stalin's omnipotence before the beginning of the Second World War. This is not true!

You don't want to understand what I wrote about. Follow the link, you should be interested. And do not underestimate Stalin's influence in power. We were fond of myths in the 90s, it's long gone!

[outsider]

- I remember the anecdote about Chapaev, Anka and the Kappelevites, whom she let, let, let - and let - until they blew her! ...
This means that Stalin, as the greatest strategist, lured the Germans to Moscow in order to defeat them there ?! And then for two years he lured them to Stalingrad in order to make a radical change in the war there ??
I have no words! One informal vocabulary ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Outsider

This means that Stalin, as the greatest strategist, lured the Germans to Moscow in order to defeat them there ?! And then for two years he lured them to Stalingrad in order to make a radical change in the war there ??
I have no words! One informal vocabulary ...

So, to make it short - when the dam burst, will you restore it in one fell swoop? Or is it all the same long and hard work?
Do not rush, think before heaping up anecdotes again.

[outsider]

So the dam must be built so that it does not burst! Stalin piled up so many criminal mistakes in the preparation of the Second World War, which he also organized, that he has no forgiveness for all the tens of millions of victims ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Outsider

So the dam must be built so that it does not burst!

So he was not the one who built the dam! He was building the economy! Which supplied the army with thousands of tanks, aircraft, which the army passed ... in the very first days of the war. Or is it his fault that the I-16 was worse than the ME-109? He also had to design airplanes?

Quote: Outsider

piled up so many criminal mistakes

And personally, were your mistakes also criminal? Or are you a saint, have you made mistakes in your life?
Name at least one of his mistakes. And, for one thing, tell me how you would act.

Quote: Outsider

World War, which he also organized,

Even so? Then you have Hitler - a victim?

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And personally, were your mistakes also criminal? Or are you a saint, have you made mistakes in your life?

You have started a controversy with the wrong organism, colleague! He just signed up to work out the pay.

[businessv]

Quote: Outsider

Stalin piled up so many criminal mistakes in the preparation of the Second World War, which he also organized, that he has no forgiveness for all the tens of millions of victims ...

How old are you, writer? The Second World War, so you know, began in 1939, the USSR was dragged into it in 1941. Switch on your brains if you have such an opportunity and their availability!

[outsider]

Quote: businessv

Quote: Outsider

Stalin piled up so many criminal mistakes in the preparation of the Second World War, which he also organized, that he has no forgiveness for all the tens of millions of victims ...

How old are you, writer?

- You don't live so much ...

World War II, so you know, began in 1939,

- And it was based on the Stalin-Hitler pact, called for some reason the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" - insignificant sixes ...

The USSR was drawn into it in 1941.

- He was not involved. Stalin organized all this remarkably throughout his reign, until 22.06.41.

Turn on the brains, if you have such an opportunity and their availability!

“Don’t worry about my brains - everything is absolutely wonderful with them!

[businessv]

Quote: Outsider

- And it was based on the Stalin-Hitler pact, called for some reason the "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact" - insignificant sixes ...

This is the first time I see a person who claims that "the pact of peace was the basis of the war." You are a funny, narrow-minded person! The main thing is that you are a person, the rest is trifles. Even the lack of gray matter does not deny this statement!

[businessv]

Quote: Outsider

This means that Stalin, as the greatest strategist, lured the Germans to Moscow in order to defeat them there ?!

Do you even understand what you are writing about? I haven't read such nonsense for a long time! First, at least begin to understand what exactly you want to say, and then try to apply your Wishlist to the real events in question!

[Maikcg]

There is a magazine for the reception of visitors in the Kremlin, and so in those days Stalin withdrew himself so that for 20 hours a day the walkers followed each other to him.

[businessv]

Quote: MaikCG

There is a magazine for the reception of visitors in the Kremlin, and so in those days Stalin withdrew himself so that for 20 hours a day the walkers followed each other to him.

Read about Stalin's work at that time here: https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/9328

[Maikcg]

This text does not endorse self-elimination.

[businessv]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

About Zhukov - a strategist, it is doubtful.

I think it is not worth raising such questions. Many copies have already been broken in this field. It is doubtful that Zhukov did not see the ultimate goal of this or that operation, because this differs a strategist from a tactician - he sees a tactician in the long term, and a tactician only in the short term, which was a problem for many commanders. Judging by the huge operational losses, his tactics were just lame, although today it is difficult to judge this objectively - there are a lot of opposing opinions, opinions of contemporaries are needed, which also differ due to the desire of each person to look better than they actually did.

[yehat2]

Hitler should not be considered an idiot.
he himself understood the limitations of his knowledge and usually did not meddle in tactics - only in general strategic decisions. Most of his interventions were rigidly dictated by the link between the influence of the tactical outcome on more global events.
For example, the defense of oil fields in Hungary or a ban on retreat from Stalingrad or risky attempts to take the MSC at any cost in the late autumn of 1941.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: yehat2

Hitler should not be considered an idiot.
he himself understood the limitations of his knowledge and usually did not meddle in tactics - only in general strategic decisions.

Hitler's general strategic decisions -

In April 1941, Field Marshal Erwin Rommel was on the verge of a great victory: his Afrika Korps secured positions in the immediate vicinity of the Suez Canal and was ready to drive out British troops from there. All that was needed for the conquest of Egypt was the strengthening of Rommel's group by the rapid transfer of two panzer divisions. Rommel accused the Chief of the General Staff of the Ground Forces Franz Halder of refusing to transfer additional divisions to Egypt, not knowing that the general only obediently fulfilled the will of the Fuhrer.

Guderian, at a meeting with Hitler, expressed his position on an urgent attack on Leningrad and Moscow, the fall of which made it possible to bring the final success in the war closer. Hitler responded by vehemently accusing his commanders of incompetence and strongly insisted on the need to capture an important industrial area in the south-east of Ukraine. However, the Soviet leadership used a temporary respite to prepare for the defense of the capital.

In the spring of 1943, Germany was in a critical situation on the Eastern Front. Many German generals realized that only defensive action could save the army from disaster. But Hitler made the same mistake as at Stalingrad. "He was going to attack a real fortress and did not take full advantage of mobile tactics, confronting the Russians in the place that they themselves chose," - criticized the Fuhrer Manstein. At the Kursk Bulge, the Wehrmacht lost that tank potential (about 1500 vehicles), which Guderian later counted on.

Germany still had a weapon that had no analogues in the world - the Me.262 jet. In 1943, the aircraft was undergoing revision. Hitler in the modified car wanted to see not only a fighter, but also a bomber. The Luftwaffe leadership recognized the idea of ​​a universal aircraft as extremely unsuccessful. The Reich Chancellor, of course, continued to insist on his own. Disagreements in the military leadership led to the fact that with the opening of the Second Front, the high-speed bomber was not ready. The delay cost Germany a complete defeat in the air war.

And this is far from all ... He was not, perhaps. But a little less ambition and more listening to the generals - perhaps he would have been more fortunate.

I apologize for the very long quotation, but a lot of books have been written about this - from the memoirs of the generals themselves to the books of Western authors, mind you.
One of them - A. Bevin. "Hitler's 10 fatal mistakes." I recommend on the internet. The author is an American, very far from the "red" ideas. A clean analysis of the confrontation between Hitler and his top command. I got interested a few years ago. https://royallib.com/book/bevin_aleksander/10_fatalnih_oshibok_gitlera.html

[yehat2]

you love popular books too much, read different opinions to get a picture.
I know perfectly well how many German commanders in their memoirs rolled a barrel at Hitler.
I also know that Hitler simply attributed some of the "brilliant" decisions to himself.
Read the different sides, especially Hitler's adjutant.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Zoldat_A

the transfer of two tank divisions.

This book is written by an amateur.

We read Rommel:

At this time, the field marshal wrote:
“The fact that the German units in the Panzer Army from 1 to 20 August used up twice as much supplies as were delivered to Africa during the same period, best describes the situation. At the end of this period, German units lacked 16 soldiers, 000 tanks and 210 armored personnel carriers, as well as, at the lowest estimates, 175 other vehicles. If we had not captured the large British warehouses in Marmarica and western Egypt, we would not have been able to hold on at all. Food rations are so meager and small that we are sick of them just by looking at them. As always, the fuel and ammunition situation is dire, and we have to resort to the strictest economy. We often have to not respond to enemy fire just to conserve ammunition. But the British artillery fire for hours at our troops, suffering from heat and hardship. "

Mediterranean shipments were interrupted by the British fleet and aviation - the Italian fleet could not even meet the urgent need for ammunition and supplies, and the transfer of two TDs to the secondary theater of the VD is out of the imagination of the author of the book.
What Rommel writes about the attacks on local communications:

“Since the end of July, the KVAC has shifted the brunt of their operations to our communications between African ports and the front line. They fire at our convoys and sink one barge after another. Not a single ship docked in the harbor of Bardia or Mersa Matruh, and often even in Tobruk, is safe from attacks by British bombers. British ships also operate in coastal waters "

Mediterranean communications:

Among other things, Rommel began to worry about the supply situation. People could be transported to Africa by plane, and from July to August, 36 people were transported there that way. But tanks, armored vehicles, guns, cars and fuel were delivered by sea by the rapidly dwindling Italian merchant fleet. At the end of July, everything delivered helped Rommel only to compensate for the losses, he could not create a reserve. And this despite the fact that in July the maximum amount of cargo was delivered to Africa, and the losses were only 500%.

http://wunderwafe.ru/HistoryBook/Battle_Sred_Win/Part_1_11.htm

[zenion]

Hitler did not want to fight Britain. Britain did not want to fight Hitler. Churchill insisted on opening a second front in such a way that would cut off the Red Army from Europe and was ready to help Hitler in this. But the United States did not want England to rule the planet and therefore did not agree with England. Only through France. Then the planet will be ruled by two countries, according to Roosevelt's idea, the USA and the USSR. Churchill wrote that he could not do anything against this union and explained it this way on one side of me sat an American bison, on the other side a Russian bear, and between them sat a British donkey.

[zenion]

Hitler was a politician. In order to draw other countries into allies, I did wrong in terms of direction, but politically correct, to draw Turkey and Japan into the war. Stalin parried all his attacks. And what did someone other than Stalin and the Politburo know, what was going on in the rear and the connection of the front and rear.

[businessv]

Quote: yehat2

Hitler should not be considered an idiot.

Actually, we talked about Zhukov and not with you, but with Krasnoyarsk.

[yehat2]

there are private messages for private conversations.
and you spoke not only about Zhukov.

[businessv]

Quote: yehat2

and you spoke not only about Zhukov.

Well, no matter who they talked about, but not a word was definitely said about Hitler!

[Jager]

You don't have to be too smart, the disposition of the troops spoke for itself, the deployment of a huge number of army units there was a mistake. In fact, it was a natural bag.

[yehat2]

The army does not defend an empty territory, but the local population.
She can't just take and leave to defend herself somewhere in the wilderness in a swamp
and strongly depends on the supply of this very population. And this "bag" is part of a continuous defense front.

[Maikcg]

The funniest thing happened when they did not win in their exercises. And if a gentleman cannot win by the rules, he changes the rules.
Millennium Challenge 2002

The Reds, under the command of Marine Corps Lieutenant General (retired) Paul K. Van Riper, used old techniques to evade the Blues' more advanced electronic tracking and targeting systems, and used motorcycle signalmen to transmit orders to the front lines of defense. as well as light signals from the Second World War for launching aircraft in conditions of complete radio silence.

The Reds received an ultimatum from the Blues, in fact demanding their complete surrender within 24 hours. With intelligence on the approach of the BLU fleet, the Reds used a fleet of small vessels to locate the BLU ships on the second day of the exercise. After that, the Reds launched a massive preemptive attack with cruise missiles on the Blue's ship formations, causing an overload of their air defense / missile defense systems and conditionally destroying 16 ships, among which were an aircraft carrier, 10 cruisers and 5 of 6 landing ships. The equivalent of such success in real combat would have resulted in the deaths of more than 20 personnel. Soon after the first strike, a significant part of the Blues' forces were conditionally sunk by the Reds, who, along with the classic military operations, used the Kamikaze tactics, the actions of which the Blues could neither reflect nor predict.

At this point, the exercise was paused, the BLU forces were "revived" and the exercise rules were changed.

[Zahar derugin]

Recently, the Poles simulated an attack on Kaliningrad, and the result showed that they had lost Warsaw!))) I whinnied for a very long time! ...))))

[Michael M.]

And some have already tried to play. As a result, on the 5th day they surrendered the capital and almost the entire territory. And this with weapons that are still planned to be adopted. Poland is.

[gurzuf]

Laughed heartily! Cool spotted!

[Tavi]

Here's the thing ... it's about the paint ... but ours don't even know ...

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Victor_B

So they have no others ...

Ah ... well then, okay. Are they going to bomb California and Texas? Or teach Canada demoCratics?

[novel66]

... Are they going to bomb California and Texas?

not a bad idea !!

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Victor_B

So they have no others ...

Seriously?
You would at least ask a question what is and what is not:

Once after the liquidation of the Berlin Wall and the unification of Germany, the anti-aircraft missile systems, which were in service with the GDR army, became the object of close attention of Western experts. In the second half of 1992, two German Osa-AKM air defense systems were delivered to the Eglin airbase by a C-5V heavy military transport aircraft. Together with mobile complexes, German calculations arrived. According to the information released to the public, field tests with real launches at air targets in Florida lasted more than two months, and several radio-controlled air targets were shot down during the shooting.

After the liquidation of the Warsaw Pact Organization and the collapse of the USSR, the United States ended up with air defense systems that the Americans could not even dream of earlier. For some time, Western experts were at a loss, not knowing where to start studying the wealth that had fallen on their heads. In the early 1990s, several working groups were created in the United States, staffed by military and civilian specialists.

The tests were carried out at the Tonopah and Nellis test sites (Nevada), Eglin (Florida), White Sands (New Mexico). The main center for testing Soviet air defense systems in the 1990s was the vast Tonopah test site in Nevada, which is larger than the much more famous Nevada nuclear test site, located nearby.

Although Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria managed to get the C-300PMU anti-aircraft missile systems (an export version of the C-300PS) before the liquidation of the ATS, and NATO experts had access to them, these countries chose to keep modern air defense systems in their possession.

As a result, the Americans went for a trick, purchasing parts of the S-300PT / PS and S-300V air defense systems in Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. In Ukraine, 35D6 and 36D6M radars were purchased, which were part of the regimental set of S-300PT / PS air defense systems, as well as the 96L6E all-altitude detector. At the first stage, the radar equipment was thoroughly tested, and then used during the exercises of military aviation of the Air Force, Navy and the USMC.

By the middle of 1990, in addition to the C-300, the American defense research centers had a wide range of Soviet-made air defense equipment: Shilka ZSU-23-4, Strela-3 and Igla-1 MANPADS, 1 ”,“ Strela-10 ”,“ Osa-AKM ”,“ Cube ”and“ Circle ”, as well as object-based air defense systems С-75М3 and С-125М1. From an unnamed country of Eastern Europe to the United States, the C-200VE air defense system was delivered. Before the dissolution of the ATS, long-range complexes of this type were supplied to Bulgaria, Hungary, the GDR, Poland and Czechoslovakia from the middle of the 1980's.

In addition to anti-aircraft systems, the Americans were very much interested in the capabilities of our radars for detecting air targets and weapon guidance radars. The radar instrument complex RPK-1 "Vaza", radars P-15, P-18, P-19, P-37, P-40, 35D6, 36D6M and radio altimeters PRV-9 were tested in field conditions with the participation of American combat aircraft. , PRV-16, PRV-17. At the same time, the P-18, 35D6 and 36D6M radars demonstrated the best results in detecting aircraft made with elements of low radar signature.

A thorough study of the characteristics of radars and guidance stations of anti-aircraft missile systems made it possible to improve the jamming equipment and develop recommendations for evasion techniques and combating ground air defense systems.

https://pereklichka.livejournal.com/1673480.html

[novel66]

imaginary !!!! conditional adversary ...

[rocket757]

Hello Roman
Maestro is cool, everything can be easily explained, shown, overly inspired!

[novel66]

Makarych is closer to me ...
Vitya, great!

[rocket757]

Makarych is the soul ... for the heart.

[novel66]

the monument is not there, we would have!

[novel66]

and also Kozma Prutkov

On the shores of Izhora and Tosna
Our guards are victorious *.

* An indecent hint of maneuvers.

[Flooding]

Alexey Tolstoy after the Crimea.
With an eye on the maneuvers of the guard in Krasnoe Selo.

[novel66]

knew what he was writing

[Prisoner]

By itself. It is written as "one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world." About ours would have written "THE MOST ADVANCED".

[novel66]

About ours would have written "THE MOST ADVANCED".

and ... hell overcame ...

[hydrox]

And what to discuss?
The bullshit device pretended to overcome the air defense system and pretended that it had received some intelligence.
What was actually there - no one will know, if only because the combat readiness of these vehicles in terms of the engine is only 36% and whether this vehicle reached the base is still a big question ...

[Aerodrome]

[quote] [quote = Hunter 2] American press: "F-35 overcame one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world" [/ quote]
kaneshna ... and virtually. but here, the payment for housing and communal services was reduced fourfold, and the director, by a strong-willed decision, equated the ruble to the dollar, allowed him not to go to work, with the salary, if he was reluctant ...

[Aerodrome]

[quote = Airfield] [quote] [quote = Game manager 2] American press: "F-35 overcame one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world" [/ quote]
kaneshna ... and virtually. and here, the payment for housing and communal services was reduced fourfold, and the director, by a strong-willed decision, equalized the ruble to the dollar, allowed him not to go to work, with the salary, if he was reluctant ... [/ quote]
just for fun, it's all right for me, are the first two Americans minus what? I'm out of boredom, I'm ready to keep statistics better than "vtsyoma" - I'm waiting for offers, I don't need a lot of money, you pay for housing and communal services and norms.

[novel66]

I gave a plus with joy .... then I thought .. I didn't minus, although I was upset

[sevryuk]

Don't tell me - it would be better if they gave it to the pensioners ... Otherwise they would build "Palaces" for themselves and put the bulk of them in jail!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Hunter 2

I still don't understand ... whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

Yours, and whose else? The main thing is that it was painted correctly! And so, if someone else's advanced air defense overcome, then there are no planes to fill up.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Hunter 2

I still don't understand ... whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

Naturally! It is said: "The most advanced."

[raw174]

Quote: Hunter 2

I still don't understand ... whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

So why did they need "Pantsyr"))) By the way, what about the destruction of the electronic warfare "Repilent" in Armenia, was it confirmed?

[zenion]

Hunter 2 (Alexey). They did it beautifully. It even reminded a fight of the guys yard to yard. A kid runs into the yard shouting - hurray we won. Covered in blood, shirt is torn apart, a couple of teeth are missing. Everyone - where are the rest? Kid - and they are still beaten.

[Konstantin Grishenkov]

Voennoye Obozreniye can be difficult to understand. So, farts about nothing to remind of themselves. One thing is clear: the brave overseas warriors have once again defeated themselves. good too. The Poles at the KSHU admitted complete defeat from the "potential enemy". Whom they consider this enemy, it is unnecessary to remind.

[Victor_B]

Ultimately, the F-35 was victorious, breaking one of the world's most advanced air defense networks and transmitting data to missile-powered fighters such as the F-16.

All toys are played!

[Lech from Android.]

All toys are played!

Forgot to write in the script the enemy's retaliatory strike against the airfields based on the F-35 ... hehe and decision-making centers ... in short, headquarters.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Lech from Android.

All toys are played!

Forgot to write in the script the enemy's retaliatory strike against the airfields based on the F-35 ... hehe and decision-making centers ... in short, headquarters.

and now Vitalik, count how many and where is the F-35 ... oh yes ... there are also "raptors" and falcons "with" needles "... oh, also" hornets! ... I almost forgot .... ah .... and naval aviation with AWACS ... yes "empty" it, forget it. yell "hurray" further! Cho ... you won't see ...

[Lech from Android.]

How scary ... such an armada of aviation ... I'm afraid mommy. You forgot to mention 11 more US aircraft carriers, most of which are laid up.

The aerodrome (Aerodrome) has already surrendered to the enemy, raised his hands and goes prisoner for a delicious dinner ... yum ... yum ... delicious. Why fight ... let others fight, we feel good.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Lech from Android.

How scary ... such an armada of aviation ... I'm afraid mommy. You forgot to mention 11 more US aircraft carriers, most of which are laid up.

The aerodrome (Aerodrome) has already surrendered to the enemy, raised his hands and goes prisoner for a delicious dinner ... yum ... yum ... delicious. Why fight ... let others fight, we feel good.

eh Pedalik ... you naive ... "yum-yum" you have already been chomping since the collapse of the USSR, and rose-colored glasses are firmly adhered to your eye sockets, I know that. and you promised to shoot me more than once, (this is not to be mistaken for a threat, I insist, just Pedalik is sick, so the "special services", with all due respect, by ... Vitalka is quiet, couch))) I wonder when it's boring , burn further ... we are waiting ... I imagine "Gnezdilova" from the TV series "Dog", you are straight and you probably also say ... I look more like "Limonidov", although the hair is smaller, but more than that of "Max" ... okay, while Michanische ... work hard, don't wipe the sofa ... or don't wipe it ...? it doesn't matter. go here ... https: //natribu.org/

[Mouse]

Quote: Victor_B

All toys are played!

messing around in their sandbox ... and dreaming ...

[novel66]

there was such a case

[Russ]

I'll close my eyes, it's dark ... and no one will see me!

[novel66]

nobody scary !!

[Mouse]

I'm in the house !!!

[novel66]

and under the blanket !!

[Mouse]

and a hole for ventilation ...

[novel66]

no, babayka will climb

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Russia

I'll close my eyes, it's dark ... and no one will see me!

Quote: novel xnumx

nobody scary !!

boys, they are boys to death ... accidentally surviving boys. slate, carbide, cylinders, (I can list for a long time, but the "major" will not like it, he will come in vain ... I'm already safe ...) everything that "flies" flew away ... I don’t understand why I’m almost 60, I have eyes, arms and legs? ... strange, apparently someone needed it.

[Galleon]

Apparently, you didn't have to take part in modeling situations, incl. combat. This technique is used very effectively when teaching on a variety of topics. When you sink a model of a ship in an experimental pool through the flow of water into one or another compartment, understanding and consideration are revealed very quickly and widely: what measures for survivability must be organized. Well this is an example.
The air defense system could be simulated by the headquarters computer (beam aperture), own radars could be used.
A banal example of "playing with toys" is the amusing shelves of Peter the Great, with the help of which he later slightly altered the map of Europe.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Galleon

Apparently, you didn't have to take part in modeling situations, incl. combat.

and what did we do all childhood ???

[Galleon]

[/ quote] what did we do all our childhood ??? [/ Quote]
You could say so, only in childhood we composed the initial data and parameters, and when modeling situations, they are collected in the most meticulous way. Our author Damantsev does something like this, operating in his analyzes of performance characteristics and names of weapons and weapons.

[voyaka uh]

They include Soviet and Russian anti-aircraft kits in the air defense system.
and separate radars that they buy around the world.
And they place them on their training grounds for such exercises.
(This was not the first.)
In addition, Patriot systems are densely located there.
(which shoot down planes remarkably, they only have problems with BR).
I have already tried to tell somehow about a similar exercise, where the F-35 passed
through dense, multi-layered missile air defenses unnoticed.
They didn't even shoot at them, because they weren't flogged on the radar.

[Galleon]

Quote: voyaka uh

tell something about a similar teaching

It is a pity that I was not present at this your story. It would be interesting to learn about the stealth properties of the F-35 using a real example.

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

They include Soviet and Russian anti-aircraft kits in the air defense system.
and separate radars that they buy around the world.

Classes! That is, according to your logic, somewhere "all over the world" you can buy shorts, a T-shirt and gloves of a world boxing champion, pull on a dummy and beat. And that would mean winning the athlete. A bold statement.
Warrior, when will you accept the fact that most of the information about the invincible Penguin is advertising brochures. Since the "fifth generation". This project was originally commercial. It literally meant that it would be sold. Without massive sales abroad, its price is already not small and becomes astronomical at all. Therefore, they will draw anything for you on the "exercises", even flights in outer space. Because it is required to cover the market as much as possible. Crush all competitors. European including. It is necessary to force them, if they do not continue the development of their fighters, then at least go the same way as the United States, bear the same colossal costs and lag behind at every turn.
Therefore, the radars "do not see" him and all fighters lose to him. And he comes to them "in the side" ... The penguin must be sold. The penguin must kill the European aviation industry. NATO should only buy US aircraft. And not think about your own. In the mass consciousness of Europeans, it is necessary to hammer in with nails the assurance of the absolute superiority of the US over the European, so that they would not even dare to think aside.

[voyaka uh]

I’m just a warning.
You can cover yourself from the F-35 with hats, you can use ground-based missile systems
- this is about the same result, but the latter is more expensive.
But I advise you to start mass production of the Su-57. Today it is
in my opinion, the only tool against the F-35

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

I’m just a warning.
You can cover yourself from the F-35 with hats, you can use ground-based missile systems
- this is about the same result, but the latter is more expensive.
But I advise you to start mass production of the Su-57. Today it is
in my opinion, the only tool against the F-35

You advise to run up against the wall. Start playing cards with a sharpie. Try to convince the resident of Israel. :)
This is exactly what the statesmen expect from our military-industrial complex - inclusion in the "stealth" race on their rules and according to their standards. In this race they will invent new generations, replicate lies and advertising "developers' statements" in pop-talk, and the Russians will have to devote all their efforts and resources to make real cars based on these fairy tales. They will forget about air defense, about reliable machines of the 27 \ 29 family, about the outstanding MiG-31. They will rush to do "like the Penguins" and eventually will overstrain, like the USSR overstrained in the arms race. And the United States will simply generate media noise and impose sanctions.
You just do not forget that not all countries of the world get weapons and technologies for free, like Israel.

[voyaka uh]

I advise you to start mass production of the Su-57 fighter.
If you call it: "running against the wall" - these are yours, not my words.

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

I advise you to start mass production of the Su-57 fighter.
If you call it: "running against the wall" - these are yours, not my words.

And I told you what your advice means. Not a single country in the world is capable of massively producing new generation heavy information security. Even the USA could not, they curtailed the production of Raptors. The Penguin was immediately positioned as a CHEAPER aircraft.

[Photon]

I certainly didn’t have to take part in simulating combat situations. But something in my heart is telling me that there is some difference between simulating situations and overcoming layered air defense. And the concept of modeling (mathematical) says that the difference can be very large, up to the opposite

[Galleon]

Mathematical modeling is only the first step. Further, a teaching is organized, where this model is tested in practice. Moreover, this technique is actively used by the adversary (and we now) in the most important areas of security: air defense, physical protection of various objects: nuclear power plants or transportation of radioactive materials, for example. Based on the results, the required set of measures and means is determined to disrupt the enemy's mission.
As for the difference between modeling and real overcoming of layered air defense, where do you get the calculation of the required number of false targets, electronic warfare systems, anti-radar missiles and finally the number of missiles in a mass launch to destroy your target with a given probability? only from staff calculations. And what about the developed tactics for applying all this goodness on such simulations? Mathematics and military thought go around embracing for several centuries ... millennia.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Galleon

Moreover, this technique is actively used by the adversary (and we now) in the most important areas of security: air defense, physical protection of various objects: nuclear power plants or transportation of radioactive materials, for example. Based on the results, the required set of activities and means is determined

And what is characteristic, the recent raid of the Houthis on the oil fields of the Saudis, protected by the state air defense, showed the highest efficiency of this algorithm of actions. What do you think, during the simulation, the state people showed 100% security, or how do they like 99,99?

[Galleon]

Your question is not serious, and you know it. Let me take it as a joke towards the Arab Saudi settlements in general and operators in particular. Modeling allows you to calculate and play future wars or battles on computers - this is what the headquarters of Zhukov and Rokossovsky lost in their heads, and not boringly sitting at the tables in the headquarters, leafing through reports and preparing summary sheets.

[zenion]

Zhukov was. What does Rokossovsky have to do with it? Pavlov was there. Zhukov won against himself. If so, he should have known what would happen, but he was not told. He was waiting for the Germans in Ukraine, and they went through Belarus.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Galleon

Your question is not serious, and you know it. Let me take it as a joke towards the Arab Saudi settlements in general and operators in particular. Modeling allows you to calculate and play future wars or battles on computers - this is what the headquarters of Zhukov and Rokossovsky lost in their heads, and not boringly sitting at the tables in the headquarters, leafing through reports and preparing summary sheets.

Of course this is a joke. I just wanted to say that correct input is needed for correct modeling. For example, the model of the air defense of the Arab fisheries, when simulating targets with input data, most likely had the parameters of the Iranian Air Force aircraft. And the blow was struck by completely different means.
So it is in the correctness of the input data, both for "blue" and "red" in the discussed modeling, there are HUGE doubts.

[zenion]

If the planes had not been repainted in Russian, they would have lost, of course. Like I saw this - our drone flies beautifully. And this is not a drone, this is an eagle, and we have not yet launched a drone.

[evgen1221]

Does the editorial staff generally read what they copy to the site by machine translation? Butter and questions from the article nothing more to the IN than to the source. They broke through the air defense, how? What is the air defense, paint on amerskih machines?

[Alexander 3]

How can you not praise yourself? The best aircraft in the world must overcome all air defenses, on a global scale. All in line for the aircraft.

[Lech from Android.]

The best aircraft in the world must overcome all air defenses, on a global scale, all in line for the aircraft.

They are like Israel in Syria, their F-35s do not risk meddling, they break through the Syrian air defense system from Lebanese territory ... crooks.

[outsider]

And right through Lebanon, targets are being bombed right on the Iraqi border!

[Andrey83]

The main advantage of the F-35 is computing power, not speed and armament.

No matter how it turned out, as in the anecdote from Putin, about a dagger and a watch.

[zwlad]

They themselves created an air defense system (like a conditional enemy) and themselves successfully overcame it. Bravo!

[Shiden]

Vlad, have you ever thought about the fact that when the same exercises are held in Russia, you do not write that this is a show. Maybe it's time to turn off the "hurray patriotism" and turn on the brains. And then, according to the comments, it turns out that the Americans almost fly on biplane of the First World War.

[zwlad]

Well, that's understandable, but the "overcame" sounds too pretentious.

[Shiden]

You know, I read all the comments and came to the conclusion that 99% of what people write is named "pathos" with a combination of "jokes". I love military history, so from what I read, I concluded that someone who did not evaluate the enemy, or lost or washed with blood. For example, the United States broke into the air defense of Iraq, Yugoslavia and this is a country that has not led 30 years of major military conflicts, according to logic they should have lost hundreds of aircraft. And the thing is that they "pathetically" learned from their own and others' mistakes.

[Dimy4]

I decided to train the right hand with the left, who will fill the face of the owner's face faster ...

[Cananecat]

The Stars and Stripes did not mention that our Hunter periodically peeped out from under the left wing of the F-35 and carefully noted everything?

[Anatoly 288]

What is the name of this game, and where can I download it?

[evgen1221]

Ameriga air force, of course)))

[rotmistr60]

F-35 conducted covert surveillance

And at the same time, according to reports, "the F-35 overcame one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world." So did you observe from the outside or did you overcome something as a hacker? And which air defense system did he overcome - the USA, Canada, Great Britain or Australia ??? Many questions arise that are not answered in the American article.

[Shiden]

And that the air defense of the listed countries is not modern. In your opinion, if the same exercises are held in Russia, you probably will not have any questions. Yes, the commentators went wrong now, in order to issue an analysis on the printed page, it all comes down to who will write more joke comments yes picks up the plus signs.

[Russ]

played there among themselves ... and ambition ...
Three women are sitting at a coffee and chatting about an intimate life.
The first one says: Girls, my husband is engaged in weight lifting and when we make love he has so much strength that it drives me crazy!
The second answers: And mine is a marathon runner. When we make love he has so much stamina that it’s just something!
Then the two look at the remaining third, what she will say. Third:
Well, she says, my husband is the lead engineer for the F-35 program. In fact, we have not yet made love. But he says that when it comes to that, it will be something incredible!
something like this...

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Russia

something like this.

test ... it's like we have directly, about the armature and other veschi.

[APASUS]

Everything goes within the framework of an advertising campaign to promote the F-35 to the market. Overcame countless distances, made a lightning breakthrough and defeated the strongest enemy.
The appearance of negative information about the problems of the aircraft should be leveled by information with a more positive potential !!! Now there will be another portion of legends about how the F-35 flew all over Iran through and was not noticed ............ ...........

[nsm1]

There is a negative, a recognition that speed and weapons are not going smoothly ...
Otherwise, they would have written what is best.

[krot]

Quote: nsm1

There is a negative, a recognition that speed and weapons are not going smoothly ...
Otherwise, they would have written what is best.

Can't you read?

The appearance of negative information about the problems of the aircraft should be leveled by information with a more positive potential !!!

They wrote for you that negative information is leveled by more positive information .. Or unfamiliar words?

[Shiden]

Well then, the answer to this question. Why, after the article appeared in the Kuwaiti rag, applications for the acquisition of the F35 fell like a cornucopia, although the Pentagon officially admitted that there were problems in the plane.

[APASUS]

Quote: Shiden

Well then, the answer to this question. Why, after the article appeared in the Kuwaiti rag, applications for the acquisition of the F35 fell like a cornucopia, although the Pentagon officially admitted that there were problems in the plane.

You are looking in the wrong direction. Qatar's request for the F-35 looks like a clear response to a similar request from the UAE amid ongoing strife between Saudi Arabia and the UAE on the one hand and Qatar and Turkey on the other. It was not on the plane at all, but in internal relations in the region

[Shiden]

But what about other countries by the Middle East. Maybe the whole point is that the F35 is good even with problems. You know, the Pentagon has officially recognized the problems with the plane, but they still take it, where is the logic. After all, the F35 is not a cheap plane.

[APASUS]

Quote: Shiden

The Pentagon has officially acknowledged the problems with the plane, but they still take it, where is the logic, because the f35 is not a cheap plane.

It is taken for a variety of reasons, ranging from the provision of a military-political roof by the Americans, to relations with neighbors

[Shiden]

Here I disagree with you. After all, in the world there is a choice besides f35, you can buy planes and cheaper Rafali, Grippen, Typhoons, F16 and F15 of the latest modifications, time-tested devices, and even cheaper. I was instructed on the drawbacks only for writing the truth, because people like to be ridiculed over the enemy, although they forget how the boasting ends. fights and Polikarpov made such a fighter. And as a result, the pilots who fought in these machines without walkie-talkies, pointing from the ground with an outdated structure, probably asked themselves questions, because after all, the newspapers wrote that the country had given them perfect weapons.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Shiden

Indeed, in the world there is a choice besides f35, you can buy planes and cheaper than Rafali, Grippen, Typhoons, F16 and F15 of the latest modifications, time-tested devices and even cheaper.

You are wrong. Rafale, Typhoon, F15 are 1,5-2 times more expensive than F35, Grippen and F-16 are comparable in price.
The F-35A in the US Air Force is priced at $ 78 million, for export in the region of $ 87 million. F-15QA for $ 172,2 million and F-15EX for $ 149 million

[outsider]

- So the UAE would have taken the Su-35, and the speed there, and the range, and the ceiling! And they all insist on F-35 from the Americans!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Shiden

The Pentagon has officially acknowledged that the plane has problems.

Yeah. Of the 873 discovered initially, 13 have not been eliminated so far. But the fighter continues to sell everything against their will. Therefore, the staff members are forced to bashfully admit that 2/3 of the aircraft are not ready. And they are forced to admit this fact ...
Sadness, however.

[Guru]

the victory was won by coalition aircraft, and the main role in this was played by the F-35 fighter, which managed to overcome the advanced air defense system,

The dreamers.

[askort154]

American press: "F-35 overcame Ukrainian air defense, one of the most advanced air defense systems in the world"

Such a title would be more interesting, especially in Ukraine.

[A.K.]

Everything, as always, is one fantasy and invention, legends. They themselves invent evil, then they defeat it, they poison it, then they heal, they "defend" human rights, and they themselves violate them all according to the same pattern just arouses disgust.

[Svetlana]

Should I write an essay about what the American press wrote about the successful victory of the Abrams and the defeat of the enemy in Europe?

[rocket757]

During the maneuvers, fourth-generation fighters played the main role, and the F-35 conducted covert surveillance. The enemy was portrayed by American aircraft in Russian livery.

"war paint" yes, it is important, it CHANGES EVERYTHING

[kieferandreas]

no matter how they have planes in close combat but they have aircraft 13266 planes and helicopters from Russia 4163.
and this is in 2019, if need be, they will rivet new ones faster than ships into the domestic one with endless monetary resources.
I hope that there will be no war and it will be unnecessary to compare in reality, everyone will feel bad.

[bar]

Ultimately, the F-35 won, breaking one of the most advanced air defense networks in the world.

Where did these clowns get "the most advanced air defense"? Or did they paint red stars on their "patriots"?
In truth, until you praise yourself, you walk as if spat upon.

[askort154]

The enemy was portrayed by American aircraft in Russian livery.

And they themselves constantly insist that their tactics, and less maneuverable aircraft (compared to Russian ones), do not provide for close combat. Why then transfer the paint, the color of the aircraft is not reflected on the radars.

[From Tomsk]

The main secret of the F-35 is the anti-radar layer of dung.

[Victor Tsenin]

A wonderful story about imaginary Russian air force / air defense. Fighting windmills in full swing: D

[Herman 4223]

As they say, don't say gop until you jump over. Their statement sounds, to be honest, something like: "I have no speed and muscles, but I have powerful brains," I wonder if this will help in a fight or not?

[Smooth]

"I have no speed and muscles, but I have powerful brains", I wonder if this will help in a fight or not?

Of course it will help! You run a decent distance and conduct covert surveillance. And you transfer the data (that is, valuable instructions on how and what to do). Like this! You need to understand! And waving fists is not a royal affair ...

[Herman 4223]

So for this there are other machines that will perform these tasks better. This is a combat unit and it must perform all functions independently.

[outsider]

- At one of the recent Red Flags, in more than two weeks of exercises, the result of the F-35A and F-35B against American and European 4th generation fighters was 20.7:1... Somehow this is very contrary to the chatter about the presence of brains and the lack of muscles and speed ...

[Herman 4223]

It is unlikely that these exercises are conducted on the principle of a dog dump. Long-range combat is a very controversial issue.

[outsider]

- Today it is already an indisputable question!

[Herman 4223]

Well, if you take the last example. Two dozen missiles were fired at eight Indian su-30s and none of them reached the target. The missiles fired by the Su-30 also failed to reach their targets. Practice sometimes diverges from theory. An uncontested question, it is only for propaganda.

[outsider]

- ?? Where and when was it ?!

[Herman 4223]

About two years ago. Air battle between India and Pakistan.

[outsider]

- Can you link to a serious source?

[Herman 4223]

It was all over the news. And here on the site it was discussed. You still need to look for the link. Serious source, search the internet for an article by the American Colonel on Out of Line Air Combat. It is even more interestingly painted.

[outsider]

- You would also give an example of long-range air combat between fighters of Ethiopia and Eritrea - the most representative powers ...

[Herman 4223]

A perfectly normal example. There were also such problems.

[outsider]

- Not serious. These are not the countries whose air forces are worthy of representation in the anthology for military schools and academies ...

[Reserve buildbat]

"Today, the main problems with the fifth generation fighter are related to its high cost and software, but over time this will all be fixed."
Great. Only cost and software. That is, the practical inability to fly supersonic is considered a trifle? I am glad And what about the oxygen system? Already allowed to fly above 7 km? And finished the helmet? And I haven’t heard anything about this yet. Maybe who knows?

[outsider]

Yes, the F-35 is capable of supersonic flight, even for non-afterburner supersonic cruising flight, however, not at a very high speed - 1.2M, but for a very long time - 11 minutes, while the F-22 is only 185 km at a speed of 1.72M - only 6 minutes ...

And what about the oxygen system?

- Everything is cool.

Already allowed to fly above 7 km?

- For a long time.

And finished the helmet?

- Continue to improve.

[AB]

They won themselves, gave awards to themselves, raised themselves in rank. So what??? Nothing, they just declared themselves the strongest in the world. But the air defense of Russia did not even know about this, continuing to control all flights of sworn friends.

[outsider]

- Russian air defense was unable to protect friendly Armenians from Turkish drones in Karabakh, they switched Russian armored vehicles and any other for one billion dollars (at least). It is possible to beat the timpani and blow fanfare, but practice shows inexorably: the Russian air defense system is far from meeting the stated standards.

[AB]

The "friendly Armenians" moving towards Geyropa with Pin.dosia and spitting towards Russia were absolutely indifferent to the Russian people, well, with the exception of the Armenian diaspora. Until Azerbaijan put Armenia in a certain position, the "friendly Armenians" did not even think about normalizing relations with Russia. On the other hand, why the fuck ... Russia had to spend its resources on protecting Armenia. AND? The fighting took place on the territory of Azerbaijan and Karabakh. There were no clashes on the territory of Armenia. Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, is not a member of the CSTO and has every right to have absolutely any country as its allies. All armored vehicles in Armenia were produced by the USSR and Russia is not going to supply new equipment to Armenia for free. Enough for her and the Russian base in Gyumri, which the Armenians tried to close ... The Russian air defense covers our military bases and does not interfere in the hostilities of other countries, either in Syria or in Armenia. Air defense systems supplied to other countries have very significant differences from the systems used in the Russian Armed Forces.
But what is most interesting, after the magic pendel from Azerbaijan, the Armenians suddenly began to love Russia.

[Tagan]

Quote: Uncle Lee

air defense system, which is understood as Russian, judging by by coloring "enemy".

Cool ! We painted our planes and bravely defeated them!

Just some kind of magic paint!

[Mr.dimadroll]

Ultimately, the F-35 won, breaking one of the most advanced air defense networks in the world.

They played war games for fun and the air defense system was “hacked” for fun.

[ZVS]

Air defense system in Australia or Great Britain?
An advanced air defense system only in Russia.

[outsider]

- Is that true, or what ?? But the peasants don't even know! ..

[ZVS]

Let it overcome in combat conditions, and not in games "in the sandbox", then it will be possible to talk about something. And so this is just cheap bravado.
If everything was so bad, then the release of the aircraft would not be suspended, and the countries would not abandon it.
An ordinary PR campaign.

[hagen]

Red Flag managed to "break" the potential enemy's air defense network. The main "work" was done by the F-35, according to the Popular Mechanics article

"Popular Mechanics" is a kind of analogue of our "Military Acceptance". What, besides praises to your military-industrial complex, can appear there? It's ridiculous to think that a magazine for housewives and beer lovers with shrimp will tell 500 pages of text without pictures on how Lockheed Martin and the Northrop Grumman Corporation have been trying for a lot of taxpayers' money for more than one year to eliminate under a thousand identified shortcomings in their F-35, from which are more than two hundred of a fatal nature.

[Smooth]

F-35 conducted covert surveillance

Hmm ... How's that? Did you fly on the sidelines and did not shine?
Oh yes! I forgot, I forgot ... He also has optoelectronics that sees through the ground. Can detect a launching rocket 1200 km away ... And the F-35 engines do not emit heat in flight. Or is it assumed that the likely repainted enemy does not include his OLS stations?
Although ... What am I talking about ... Democratic fighters should not be visible to anyone. Especially when they are painted in the correct, democratic colors. And when they are heavily advertised for the purpose of selling to "aborigines". Someone has to make America great again.

[Galleon]

From your reply, I believe that you did not have to deal with the issues of intelligence and detection. Then I will tell you one example from my work. During my service, EP-3E aircraft with a more powerful radar, an RTR complex and a computing complex began to appear instead of the P-3C patrol aircraft. Our photo of this aircraft, taken in Indian, was the third photo in the Union of this difficult foe. This observer had enough 2 radar pulses every 15 minutes to guide our destroyer without any problems. But instead of a bearing and an approximately calculated range for a continuously operating radar, as before, now I could only say with certainty that this reconnaissance officer is working in such and such a square with dimensions of hundreds by hundreds of kilometers. In a square of 10-20 thousand square kilometers Is there a difference? Do you feel her?
We were unable to locate an entire Ticonderoga-class cruiser, although we knew its approximate course, speed, last coordinates, and our approximate point (or area) of meeting. Empty. Apparently, he, too, was warned about our rendezvous and fulfilled the directive of his command - not to approach. Passed in the middle of the night in complete radio silence. But my operators did not sit with me that night in vain, we realized that everything is not obvious and not simple.
It's complicated. And your remark betrays a person in you who is very far from practice. I advise you to be more restrained and show more thoughtfulness and curiosity than propaganda and demagoguery.

[Castro Ruiz]

A shto tyotke khotelos to i ey snilos. :)

[Ingenegr]

Quote: Zoldat_A

I would be surprised if the "Russian" planes did not win at their exercises.

Truth? But the Poles have lost at their recent exercises. It seems that it was not Georgy Konstantinovich who played for the opponent. How did it happen, huh?
Maybe the question is not in the plane of "our" or "not our" doctrine is? Or do we have a holy belief in "stupid Americans" does not allow us to process information differently?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ingenegr

do we have a holy belief in "stupid Americans" does not allow us to process information differently?

The question is, of course, interesting ... (c)
It's just that we are accustomed to "questioning everything" (K. Marx)
For example. While flying other aircraft that overcome the air defense system, the F-35 will not "emit" at all? Or does he fly on "cold" dviguns? and our RTR and OLS systems see nothing, hear nothing, and the command of the air defense systems do not guess what the attackers need to "cut their heads"? Previously, these were the Sentries with their powerful "flying" radar. Now there are F-35s - "flying brains" of network-centric warfare ... And why the amas decided that no one would give them brain damage is not clear.
Good. Suppose that we really can't do anything with the super-duper Penguin ( ) ...
And what about the rest of the forces participating in the "breakthrough of the forward air defense"? Are they also "untouchable" for detection and destruction means? Far from it! And communication lines - too ...
Therefore, it is not a fact that everything said by the Yankees should be taken at face value. But it's worth the trouble.
IMHO.

[outsider]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Ingenegr

do we have a holy belief in "stupid Americans" does not allow us to process information differently?

The question is, of course, interesting ... (c)
It's just that we are accustomed to "questioning everything" (K. Marx)
For example. While controlling other aircraft that overcome the air defense system, the F-35 will not "emit" at all?

- Using the RTR station, which is considered the best in the world today, ASQ-239 - will not, using an on-board radar in LPI mode - will not be detected.

Or does he fly on "cold" dviguns?

- The heavenly hemisphere is huge, when the engines are not running in afterburner mode (and this is the most common mode) - you hell will notice it in the endless sky ...

and our RTR and OLS systems see nothing, hear nothing

- Compared to the western ones, they see and hear very badly.

... and the command of the air defense systems have no idea that the attackers need to "cut their heads"?

- The command would be glad, but - it is very problematic. "You will go for wool, and you will come back shorn" ...

Previously, these were Sentry with their powerful "flying" radar. Now there are F-35s - "flying brains" of network-centric warfare ... And why the amas decided that no one would give them brain damage is not clear.

- Based on long-term experiments at the same "Red Flags" and "Northern Frontiers". The role of mini-AWACS in the US Air Force today is the F-22.

Good. Suppose that we really can't do anything with the super-duper Penguin ( ) ...

- Chances are scanty ...

And what about the rest of the forces participating in the "breakthrough of the forward air defense"? Are they also "untouchable" for detection and destruction means? Far from it!

- So the air operation of the US Air Force is planned as follows:
1. The first wave - BR, KR and F-22 destroy long-range radars and long-range air defense systems, as well as command posts, centers and control and notification centers, communication centers.
2. The F-35s continue to destroy the air defense system on a smaller scale.
3. Only in the third wave are 4th generation fighters and attack aircraft going - destroying ground forces and all kinds of trifles.
4. Combat UAVs are finishing their clean-up operations by means of round-the-clock patrolling in the theater.

And communication lines - too ...

- Their communication lines have a very high noise immunity, unlike Russian ones ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Outsider

the US Air Force air operation is planned as follows:

Thanks for the info ...
But there is such an option:

As can be seen from the diagram, manned aircraft are supposed to be used only in the IV phase of the internal control system ... First, the GZO (which they do not have yet!), Then UAVs of all stripes, and last of all - aviation.
Best regards,

[gvozdan]

Reminds of a cartoon about a kitten Gough, when he caught his own tail

[Russian2020]

Praise yourself and lie that's the whole truth from the USA

[trahterist]

Quote: yehat2

Before G.K. Zhukov, who in the operational-staff game in January 1941, playing for the "Western", gouged General Pavlov

this is not entirely true. During the exercise, Zhukov pretended to be attacking, but at that time he placed the main forces for defense in a fortified area on the site of the Kaliningrad region.
And Pavlov simply merged his main forces in a head-on assault on these fortifications
So, rather, Pavlov gouged himself, having 40 combined-arms divisions against 30. In fact, the scenario of the beginning of the Finnish war was repeated

Don't judge strictly, but ... About comments on forums, a trend has long been noticed:
So.
SUBJECT.
1.Comment: Well, in principle, I agree, with some reservations ...
3. comment: Brad, I think this is all a lie!
5.Comment: What are we talking about planes? That's the same with tanks ...
7. Comment: Well, what are you doing ?! Here you need to think about the Country as a whole!
10. comment: But under Stalin ...
25. Comment: Bloody scoop, Russia we lost ...
50. Comment: Everyone to the rally, so we will win.
100. comment: So what kind of car would you recommend to take?
200. Comment: I remember my brother's godfather's grandfather told me while fishing ...
300. By the way, what kind of bait do you use?
And so on and on from the topic

[sen]

A propaganda trick that does not reflect the real state of affairs. Our over-the-horizon "Container" radar and the "Sky" meter-range radar are capable of detecting F-35s and directing their fighters to them, which are equipped with efficient optoelectronic units.

[outsider]

- "Container" - yes, it is capable, but "Sky" - with this "not very", - EPR of the F-35 and in the meter range is too small (table below):
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-690.html
The detection range is about 50 kilometers, and the F-35 drops SDB GBU-39 from a range of 110 km.

[St. Petersburg.]

To report in the article, not only does not mean anything, but says that it is rotten meat, so beloved by our "partners". And here's what is surprising: other media in the headlines use the terms: "stated", "posted information", etc., that is, it is as if it is not known whether it was in fact, or an ordinary intimidating fake, and "military review" wrote in headline concretely and convincingly: "overcame"! Is it correct? Or is it a mistake of an inexperienced author?

[Flurry]

[quote = Boa constrictor KAA] The question, of course, is interesting ... (c) [/ quote
You just didn’t slip through the tactics .. while the enemy air defense knocks down cheap F15,16,18, etc., F35 slips in this confusion and crush at the distance of the GBU launch. At the same time, the enemy lacks long-wave radars, long-range missiles and their own AWACS aircraft. And, well, the LPI mode allows you to emit radio waves invisible to others;))

[Tarasios]

"The author of the article reminds that the main advantage of the F-35 is computing power, not speed and weapons."
Or maybe, against the background of the numerous problems of this aircraft - it is easier to transport it on a cart to the desired place, where it will suppress the enemy with its computing power?

[Joker62]

Quote: Hunter 2

I still don't understand ... whose air defense system did they overcome? Your ???

Whose is it? Of course their own ... Ours would not have let them through for any price ... This is not a Gorbach-marked for them ...

[Berg berg]

The American press also published that during military exercises in Russia, tests were carried out for the detection of American F - 22 and F-35, all enemy aircraft were detected and destroyed, and our Russian aircraft flew over all of America and were not detected, safely returned to soy airfields!

[Muddy Seeing ORACLE]

This is probably the same Russian Carapace that they took from the Libyans and are now trying their luck on advanced weapons ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Here you will not understand whether to cry or laugh. Colored and overcome.

[shinobi]

They hacked their own air defense system with their planes? More than original! The game is one-to-one.

[outsider]

Quote: stock buildbat

"Today, the main problems with the fifth generation fighter are related to its high cost and software, but over time this will all be fixed."
Great. Only cost and software. That is, the practical inability to fly supersonic is considered a trifle? I am glad And what about the oxygen system? Already allowed to fly above 7 km? And finished the helmet? And I haven’t heard anything about this yet. Maybe who knows?

- I know: the F-22 has been allowed to fly up to the practical ceiling (19.8 km) for many years, the oxygen system was in order, the system of the high-altitude compensating suit was faulty, the F-35 supersonic is allowed, the helmet works, but it continues to be improved (the cost is high 400 thousand bucks).

[hly]

[quote The author of the article recalls that the main advantage of the F-35 is computing power, not speed and weapons. ] [/ quote] Why was the plane fenced off then? Well, as an excuse, offset.

[outsider]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Outsider

World War, which he also organized,

Even so? Then you have Hitler - a victim?

- Well, what are you! Hitler is Stalin's tool. Quite a blunt weapon. He realized too late that he was being used. But I realized it by 1941, after Molotov's visit to Berlin on New Year's Eve. Here is a letter from Hitler to Mussolini, transmitted to him a day before the attack on the USSR:
http://vlastitel.com.ru/hitler/hitler-mussolini_1941-06-21.html

[Mihail59]

And I wonder why Turkey bought the S-400 ...

[outsider]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Outsider

the US Air Force air operation is planned as follows:

Thanks for the info ...
But there is such an option:

As can be seen from the diagram, manned aircraft are supposed to be used only in the IV phase of the internal control system ... First, the GZO (which they do not have yet!), Then UAVs of all stripes, and last of all - aviation.

I did not begin to separately single out either reconnaissance UAVs, which, along with satellites, monitor the theater of military operations constantly in real time, or electronic warfare equipment, which are used with the support of both UAV aircraft (from the zones), and, in the end, 4th generation aircraft, where aircraft of group EW means are used both from zones and from battle formations (if necessary), plus all 4-generation aircraft have individual EW stations. But both reconnaissance aircraft and electronic warfare aircraft are support aviation, undoubtedly very important. They provide echelons of strike aviation.
Trap targets are used as needed.
.....................................
One of the main factors necessary for success is stealth and surprise, so all imitating traps should be used very carefully and only as needed, they unmask attacks on ground targets of attack stealth aircraft.

[outsider]

Quote: SU

Let it overcome in combat conditions, and not in games "in the sandbox", then it will be possible to talk about something. And so this is just cheap bravado.
If everything was so bad, then the release of the aircraft would not be suspended, and the countries would not abandon it.
An ordinary PR campaign.

-Dream, dreaming is not harmful!