"We do not want revanchism": Armenian authorities oppose a new war with Azerbaijan

Official Yerevan considers any manifestations of revanchism unacceptable. In Armenia, the authorities and the ruling party "Civil Contract" oppose a new war with Azerbaijan.

Anush Begloyan, a deputy from the ruling party in the Armenian parliament and a member of the foreign policy committee, stated this.

Her statement was made during the round table "South Caucasus: New Threats and New Opportunities".

Begloyan noted that publications in the Armenian press can create the impression that revanchist sentiments reign in Yerevan, but, in her words, this is an illusion. Of course, there are various political movements in the country, including nationalist ones, from which you can hear "anything". But, according to the deputy from Armenia, one should listen not to them, but to the official position of the president, prime minister, ruling party and other structures, which reject any calls for revenge.

Revanchism or any military action aimed at revenge is not what Armenia and the people of Armenia want.

- Begloyan thinks.

At this time, near the city of Kars, located near the Armenian border, the military of Turkey and Azerbaijan are conducting an unexpected joint exercises. This time it is the Winter-2021 exercise, during which joint actions are being practiced in winter conditions. The maneuvers began on February 1 and will last until the 12th. In the opposition circles of Armenia, they speak about new Turkish-Azerbaijani exercises, they say that at one time it was after this kind of exercises that "additional tension arose in the Karabakh issue, which eventually grew into a war."

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[nsm1]

Terrible aram!
Described.

[credo]

Quote: nsm1

Terrible aram!
Described.

You might think you are the most courageous, especially when mistakes are made by politicians (in the person of the commander-in-chief), and ordinary people pay with their lives.

The point is completely different and it seems that some politicians in Armenia began to understand that the United States and France felt offended because they were left out of the negotiations when signing an agreement to end the war, and now they want to jump on the bandwagon of the departing train and pick it up again the question of Karabakh, its status and others, vital in their opinion.
Peace in the South Caucasus for Anglo-Saxons and frogs, on the terms agreed between Russia, Armenia and Azerbaijan, is like a bone in the throat, so they will try to shatter it.

[nsm1]

Armenia, IMHO, did not agree on anything, presented with a fact.
And it is unlikely that the frogs want a new war, things can come to the full occupation of Armenia.
First you need to strengthen the ares, weapons, instructors ...

[Civil]

Just one of the episodes of this war, nothing more. These underdeveloped countries will still fight.

[Rufat]

And Great Russia has to separate these underdeveloped

[New Balance]

80% of graduates of Russian universities, after graduation, do not want to live in a "superpower" in which they still heat stoves with wood and coal. Every 4th Russian does not have access to the Internet, more than 3 thousand schools do not even have a sewer ... Further enumerate ???
For some reason, the largest Russian community in the entire Caucasus still lives in "underdeveloped" Azerbaijan, about 200 thousand people, 400 Russian schools function and not one of them has been closed so far, there is a Slavic University, Orthodox churches, Russian villages Ivanovka , Novosaratovka and others.
The same cannot be said about "fraternal" Armenia, where there is not a single TV channel in Russian, not a single Russian school, and so on ... Now flights have begun from there and these "ancient long-suffering" are skipping to the airfields to finally escape from " blessed "armenia
When, finally, finish puffing out your cheeks, scaring everyone and everything, spitting at everyone around you and turn on your brains? Are you tired of suffering from a great chauvinistic illness?

[credo]

Quote: New Balance

When, finally, finish puffing out your cheeks, scaring everyone and everything, spitting at everyone around you and turn on your brains? Are you tired of suffering from a great chauvinistic illness?

Where are you from such a "modern and civilized" hatched?
For your information, in many countries of modern Europe they do not at all disdain to heat with coal or wood raw materials, and at the same time they do not consider themselves backward.
Try to read lectures about "greatness" to readers of the Washington Post or to BBC listeners, maybe you will find a more grateful audience there.

[New Balance]

In fact, it is not Europe that sells gas, but on the contrary the Russian Federation, Europe. Catch the difference ??? Russia, selling gas to Europe, itself, as they say, sits without gas .. This is, as in that saying about "Shoemaker", without boots.
Have you been to Siberia, the Urals? Stop by, somehow and see how the population buys firewood and coal with the last money ... How the children sit at -40 in the toilet in the yard, because there is no sewage system and will never be now.
The Washington Post has never read, and the BBC has never listened to ... You know better what they write and what they say.
PS I repeat once again, stop spitting and grinning at everyone around, hanging unpleasant labels for everyone and calling everyone "underdeveloped"!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: nsm1

things may come to a complete occupation of Armenia.

Can not.
Not only because Russia does not need it, but also because Iran absolutely does not need it. I believe that Azerbaijan and Turkey are also not devoid of common sense and perfectly understand the boundaries of their interests that will not intersect with the geopolitical interests of their neighbors to the detriment of mutual relations.

[New Balance]

They will soon devour themselves ... There is complete chaos, chaos and anarchy. And so it will be for a very long time until they become full-fledged members of the world community. Until they finish dreaming about the mythical "great Armenia, from sea to sea", until They will not finish arguing and fighting with their neighbors until they bring up a normal, healthy generation, who will not be taught from morning to evening about the “suffering of the unfortunate Armenian people.” Until they finish raving about the fact that everything around is “invented by the Armenians”. ....... To be honest, the Armenians do not have to have their own state at all ... They lived for centuries without it ... And nothing.

[nsm1]

Quote: New Balance

Until they finish dreaming about the mythical "great Armenia, from sea to sea"

In fact, they have every reason to talk about a power from sea to sea.
I don’t sympathize with the Armenians at all, but I think that in any case objectivity is necessary, we cannot tear ourselves away from reality.
Look at the map - what did they have under Tigran II ?!
Who was the ally of Mithridates of Pontus, about whom the school passed?
Their decline is already a long history, but one cannot say that there was no "from sea to sea".
I suppose the Armenians no longer have any prospects, it is unlikely that there is a sudden rise and prosperity.
No, they will gradually scatter, the lands will be taken by the neighboring peoples.

[orionvitt]

Quote: credo

and ordinary people pay with their lives.

Hello, and who rode on the Maidan in Yerevan? So they jumped at the politicians they deserve.

[Prisoner]

Fighting is always scary. Especially when you do not know why. And when you know it is also scary. Not scary just any canoe, like the one that you wrote, sprinkle, sitting in warmth and comfort.

[nsm1]

The Azerbaijanis knew why.

[SaLaR]

They run up again ... well, you don't know how to fight, keep trading ... You do it better ...

[nsm1]

But they don't really like to work.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: SaLaR

They run up again ... well, you don't know how to fight, keep trading ... You do it better ...

Why so indiscriminately? For the sake of justice, it should be noted that the last victory in the battle for Karabakh was for Armenia, and this victory remained with Azerbaijan. So 1: 1
It must also be admitted that in this war, for 40 days of active fighting, losses on both sides exceeded 5 thousand people only killed (not counting the wounded), with an almost equal ratio of losses, which suggests that they fought with dignity as both, and this despite the fact that at the same time there was both a drain from the official Yerevan and serious support from Ankara. Everyone understands that the outcome of the war was predetermined by the massive use of UAVs, for which the Armenian side was clearly not ready. Aliyev's Azerbaijan, by virtue of its national interests, was prepared and motivated much better than Pashinyan's Armenia, who showed a zero level as commander-in-chief, as the leader of the country, and as a person. Revenge is of course pointless because Yerevan now does not have such opportunities (military and economic), but YOCLMN, if "Mikola Pashinenko" was not ready for war, then it was necessary to use the possibilities of diplomacy and sacrifice those areas that were illegally held by Yerevan in order to save the lives of people, whose death for Armenia turned out to be an unjustified loss with the loss of a significant part of the territory of Karabakh, including the city of Shusha. Ordinary soldiers did what they could, and their commander in chief just turned out to be a rat. As for Aliyev, unlike Mikola, he really understood what he wanted and seriously invested in the re-equipment and training of the army. In this war, I am neither for Armenians nor for Azerbaijanis, but assessing the losses, I cannot share your point of view in the sense that someone is there super warriors, and someone is traders, because another 40 days of such a war in losses would be comparable to losses for 10 years in Afghanistan.

[APASUS]

Pashinyan kept his place, what kind of revanchism can we talk about? I handed over Karabakh with giblets and that's it, the question is closed.

[Prax1]

I didn’t pass, but I lost. So at least a bit of it remained for him. Otherwise, they would have taken everything!

[APASUS]

Quote: Prax1

I didn’t pass, but I lost. So at least a bit of it remained for him. Otherwise, they would have taken everything!

What's behind him? The people lost, and Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh to Baku

[Quadro]

Quote: Prax1

I didn’t pass, but I lost. So at least a bit of it remained for him. Otherwise, they would have taken everything!

Troll, part of it remained thanks to Russia, and not thanks to Pashinyan.

[Installer]

He did not decide what would remain in Armenia.
They just told Azerbaijan where to stay.

[Flooding]

The rhetoric is correct no matter what is behind it.
In any case, now you need time to lick your wounds and deal with internal problems.

[Runoway]

And with what revenge ?! Neither technology nor specialists nor, most importantly, an assistant behind the back like the Azeri Turkey

[Viktor Afanasev]

Armenia, alone, is not in a position to wage war with Azerbaijan and Turkey ... The question is support from Russia. If there is no support, there will be no "revanchism" either. Likewise, in the case of the continuation of the offensive from Azerbaijan (Turkey), the probability directly depends on what Russia is ready to do. I think Turkish diplomats and spies in Moscow are probing and lobbying in all possible ways ...

[nsm1]

There will be no support for Armenia.
Because there are no benefits from that, but a lot of potential losses, at least gas flows through Turkey ...
And the potential of Azerbaijan and Turkey, industrial, human, natural, cannot be compared with the Armenian one.

[Viktor Afanasev]

Yes, the Turks put us on a gas cooker, now they can play and easily achieve their goal

[nsm1]

Are you sure the Turks?
It seems that there were some misunderstandings with Bulgaria, so we had to involve Turkey.

[Viktor Afanasev]

Brothers Bulgarians received a hat from the EU and were forced to refuse. And now we have what we can have ...

[nsm1]

Bulgarians, like other Slavs, more than once or twice sold and betrayed Russia.
They are not brothers, but chmyrs.
And with them, due to their lack of independence, it would be even more difficult to deal with, I think.

[Viktor Afanasev]

Not the Slavs, but their government. The government and the people are far from the same thing, and they are often antagonists.

[Incvizitor]

If they, at least for protection, began to buy something from the Russian Federation's equipment, I would have understood, and so he should not defend himself, he should not not attack the clown and not the president.

[New Balance]

What kind of support from Turkey do you write about? Show at least one Turkish killed or taken prisoner ... Everywhere you drag Turkey ... Where it is necessary and where it is not necessary. You cannot come to terms with the fact that there is more so-called Armenian "army" no ... And the Azerbaijani Warriors did it.
Not tired of carrying this nonsense?
Well, now adjust the "car of minuses" to my comment ... Absolutely on the drum.

[Mountain shooter]

Comments were sent ... but without provocations, can you?
Time has shown that Armenia did not need Karabakh.
Economically - nothing, but politically - just a headache ... The result is natural.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Economically - nothing

Uhahaha! There one gold mine gives to the treasury almost like the rest of Armenia.
Anyway, a lost war is always an economic downturn

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Cowbra

Uhahaha! There, one gold mine gives to the treasury almost like the rest of Armenia

800 kg / year. At the same time, the mine is not state-owned. With a gold cost of $ 1700 per ounce (33 grams), $ 41 million per year. Is it comparable with the budget of Armenia?

[Cowbra]

Yes. exaggerated. But there, even on this topic, it paid off. is it impressions? I don't know, not an economist, of course I could be wrong

[ximkim]

In this situation, Armenia has two enemies - nationalists and making wrong decisions.

[fa2998]

[quote = APASUS], what kind of revanchism can we talk about? [/ quote
Any revenge should be based on an increase in military spending, on a strong economy. What Armenia can present. The country is fed by migrant workers who trade in the markets. Against Azerbaijan and Turkey, there is nothing to roam about!

[RVAPatriot]

What to fight ??? The country will simply be lost ...

[Pavlos Melas]

Even before September, under any article on the Karabakh conflict, we saw malicious comments from the Armenian side, and now we see the same comments from Azerbaijanis. Regarding the article itself, at the moment Armenia itself cannot oppose Azerbaijan with such speeches. All statements about Karabakh cannot be considered seriously now. Time must pass, if these two republics make decisions based on their interests, then perhaps there will be peace.

[Alien From]

No wonder ....... it's the 21st century, and these guys still wear Soviet-style helmets.

[nsm1]

The helmets are not Soviet.

[Alien From]

There was a video where everything is visible.

[nsm1]

I'm talking about a photo.

[Krasnodar]

Before the war of 2020, Armenia had two national ideas:
1) Ar! Tsakh;
2) Recognition of the 1915 genocide.
There was no repatriation policy. That is, there was a settlement by Syrian and Lebanese Armenians of Karabakh, but not a single tribesman or half or grandson of an Armenian who came to their historical homeland automatically receives the citizenship of the country and any benefits (for business, for example). Thus, Armenia is losing the most nimble population, not receiving quality from the USA, Russia and Western Europe in return.
Instead of peace with its neighbors, who recognize the existence of the republic and do not want to destroy the Armenian state, the government of this country condemns its people to a rather miserable, by world standards, existence, thus creating a bunch of economic problems.
None of the Armenians asks the question - why should we Ar ... Tsakh? And what will the recognition of the genocide by Turkey give us? Money? Territories? If the money, where will it go, or rather, in whose hands will it end up?
Until the Armenians take care of attracting people of the diaspora to their country for permanent residence, the Republic of Armenia will remain a degenerate third world country, despite the enormous intellectual potential of the people, who have proved it in France, in the Silicon Valley of the USA and Russia.

[nsm1]

Quote: Krasnodar

settlement by Syrian and Lebanese Armenians of Karabakh

Rather, no one intended to move to Armenia.

[Krasnodar]

Even so, we need a propaganda resettlement policy and everything that goes with it. An example is the agency Sokhnut u vilely bombing Syria)).

[nsm1]

No amount of propaganda will help if the economy is lame.

[Krasnodar]

Not at all - the example of Israel, with a lame economy until the mid-80s. ))

[New Balance]

And something in the Russian Federation, this "huge intellectual" potential is not particularly noticeable ...
And what could this people in France, the USA be able to prove? Run around with a rag and whine about a fictional gnocide?
Or grimacing at the Comedy Club?

[Krasnodar]

Look at the number of successful Armenian businessmen in Russia, smart doctors and scientists.
In France - business, professors. In the States, there are programmers, accountants, doctors and lawyers. And business)).

[Prisoner]

When it became clear that Russia would not send its troops to fight Karabakh for Armenia, the Armenians had only one option. Reconcile and establish normal relations with Azerbaijan.

[Emil mamedoff]

Who among them wants revenge, I advise you to watch this film, duration 1 hour 41 minutes.


And a little performance by the big Boss.


And yes, we do not intend to spoil relations with the Russian Federation because of them.

[Kuzmitsky]

We were able to stop all this - well done. Both sides acted wisely and decided not to continue. And rightly so - a bad peace is better than a good war.

And Russia turned out to be an ideal mediator, which is trusted and respected both in Baku and in Yerevan.

[Rufat]

I'm not a flayer, but impressive shots.

[Rufat]

In the 13th minute, there was generally panic and horror. Can fighters run away like that?

[Rufat]

The amount of equipment that the Armenians dragged in Karabakh is also shocking. Then they also say that they surrendered the Karabakh