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Promising anti-tank complex "Hermes" will receive a new version

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Promising anti-tank complex "Hermes" will receive a new version

The promising Hermes anti-tank complex may receive a new version with a faster and more powerful missile. It is reported by RIA News with reference to the industrial director of the Rostec weapons complex Bekkhan Ozdoev.


Rostec plans to begin development work to create a new Hermes 2.0 strike complex. The development will be carried out on the basis of the promising Hermes complex, which is currently undergoing demonstration tests for the Ministry of Defense.

This complex has great potential for further improvement. In this regard, experimental design work is planned, which provides for an increase in the combat power of the missile by 2-2,5 times and an increase in its flight speed. This will be a version of the Hermes 2.0 complex

- said Ozdoev.

The basic version of the promising anti-tank complex "Hermes" was presented during the military-technical forum "Army-2020".

"Hermes" has a compact combat module with launchers for six missiles and can fire salvo fire at six targets at a distance of up to 100 km. Each missile has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead, contains twenty-eight kilograms in TNT equivalent and develops a maximum speed of up to 1300 m / s. The complex can be used against both armored vehicles and stationary fortifications, warehouses, communication centers, etc.

The special advantage of the new complex is that it can be installed on any platform, and the "fire and forget" system allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 February 2021 09: 31
    +5
    and the system "fire and forget" allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships

    How's that?
    1. newcomer
      newcomer 2 February 2021 09: 47
      +4
      At the initial stage of the flight, it is corrected by the satellite; in the final segment of the flight, homing is switched on.
      1. venik
        venik 2 February 2021 10: 44
        +4
        Quote: newbie
        At the initial stage of the flight, it is corrected by the satellite; in the final segment of the flight, homing is switched on.

        ========
        As I understand it, at the final stage, either drones or spotter fighters are used to "illuminate" the target with a laser ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 February 2021 11: 23
          +2
          Then this is not a business
          1. venik
            venik 2 February 2021 11: 26
            +5
            Quote: Zaurbek
            Then this is not a business

            ========
            Well, it's like homing ... but not "fire and forget", because at the final stage of the flight, the ammunition requires target illumination. Something like Krasnopol!
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 2 February 2021 12: 42
              0
              Quote: venik
              Quote: Zaurbek
              Then this is not a business

              ========
              Well, it's like homing ... but not "fire and forget", because at the final stage of the flight, the ammunition requires target illumination. Something like Krasnopol!

              hi
              The control and guidance system is a combined missile control system - inertial or radio command (when firing at a distance of up to 100 km) at the march stage and the seeker at the final stage of the trajectory. The principle of "fire and forget" has been implemented. At the same time, it is possible to hit two targets when using missiles with semi-active laser seeker or up to 12 missiles in a salvo when using other types of seeker. With radio command guidance on the marching stage, the complex includes a radar and a compand transmission station.

              Option GSN Option ATGM
              Passive thermal imaging "Hermes", "Hermes-A"
              Combined semi-active laser seeker + IR seeker "Hermes", "Hermes-A", "Hermes-K"
              Active radar seeker "Hermes"

              The control system ATGM "Hermes-S" and "Hermes-A" / "Klevok-A" ensures the destruction of ground armored targets from above to the central part. This also ensures the overcoming of air defense and missile defense systems. It is possible to use external means of target designation with a laser designator - a mobile portable complex of automated fire control means "Malachite", UAVs, etc.
              Area of ​​EPR of the target - from 0.01 sq.m


              Launcher ATGM "Hermes-A" / "Klevok-A"
              TTX missiles of the complex:
              "Hermes-A" / "Klevok-A"
              "Hermes" "Hermes-K" (20 km) "Hermes-K" (100 km)
              Missile container length 3500 mm 3500 mm 3500 mm 3500 mm
              Main stage length 1500 mm 1500 mm 1500 mm 1500 mm
              Wingspan 240 mm 240 mm 240 mm 240 mm
              Starting step diameter 170 mm 210 mm 170 mm 210 mm
              Main stage diameter 130 mm 130 mm 130 mm 130 mm
              Missile weight in container 107/110 kg 130 kg 107/110 kg 130 kg
              Rocket launch weight 90 kg 90 kg
              Warhead weight - up to 40 kg (1996 data)
              - 27,5 kg (RP)
              - 28 kg - 28-30 kg - 28-30 kg
              Explosive weight - 12,5 kg (OF)

              Operating range - 10-12 km (1996 data)
              - 17 km (for ground targets)
              - 15 km (for air targets)
              - 20 km (for sea targets) - up to 100 km - up to 20 km - up to 100 km
              Rocket speed maximum
              - up to 800 m / s (1996 data)
              - 1000 m / s - 1300 m / s - 1000 m / s - 1300 m / s
              Average flight speed at a distance of 40 km - 500 m / s - 500 m / s
              Armor penetration behind ERA conditional 1000 mm 1000 mm 1000 mm 1000 mm
              The complex equipment includes:
              - stabilized day-night optoelectronic system with television and thermal imaging channels (information exchange standard MIL STD 1553);
              - an associated computer system with a two-channel laser designator and automatic target tracking;
              - additional equipment - multifunctional color liquid crystal display and control panel, display and documentation facilities.
              http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-49.html hi
          2. newcomer
            newcomer 2 February 2021 12: 18
            +4
            And how do you lock the target at a distance of 100 km. ground PU, taking into account position, relief, etc.?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 2 February 2021 12: 34
              0
              Only with the power of intelligence
            2. venik
              venik 2 February 2021 12: 47
              +3
              Quote: newbie
              And how do you lock the target at a distance of 100 km. ground PU, taking into account position, relief, etc.?

              ========
              Do you still not understand? The target is detected by reconnaissance (ground, air, space finally), and spotting fighters or UAVs carry out the illumination ... Of course, you can also "highlight" from the plane, but it makes no sense - it's easier to use onboard weapons!
              If you still do not understand - think, but HOW do they highlight targets for Krasnopol, for example? After all, he flies up to 25 kilometers!
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 2 February 2021 12: 57
                +2
                I understand that. I asked this question as an addition to my previous comment. I was responding to a colleague on target acquisition. Naturally, if the target is at a distance of about 100 km., The target is detected by reconnaissance_ from space to ground, a rocket is launched, which is corrected both from the satellite and through its communication, then the target is captured and accompanied by its own seeker.
                1. venik
                  venik 2 February 2021 13: 03
                  +2
                  Quote: newbie
                  a rocket is launched, which is corrected both from the satellite and through its communication

                  ========
                  Well, actually, rather, it "corrects itself" on the basis of GLONASS signals or other satellite navigation systems. Well, at the final stage - as in the "Sosna" or "Krasnopol" - a laser semi-active seeker, correcting flight at the finish line and ensuring hitting a point target (even a moving one) with a minimum CEP.
                  As a matter of fact, it seems that "Hermes" is nothing else, "grown up" "Pine" .... request
                  drinks
                  1. Mimoprohodil
                    Mimoprohodil 2 February 2021 18: 48
                    0
                    Quote: venik
                    Well, at the final stage - like "Pine" or "Krasnopolya" - semi-active laser seeker
                    Pine has no GOS at all
                    1. venik
                      venik 2 February 2021 19: 06
                      0
                      Quote: Mimoprohodil
                      Pine has no GOS at all

                      ========
                      Sorry! "Scraped" did not mean "Pine" and "Krasnopol", but "Kitolov" and "Krasnopol" .... fool request
                  2. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 3 February 2021 19: 46
                    -1
                    Quote: venik
                    it seems that "Hermes" is nothing else, "grown" "Pine"

                    Nothing like this ! From the word "wabche"!
            3. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 3 February 2021 15: 19
              0
              If integrated into Helicopters, then with the help of radar. Probably so.
          3. Cympak
            Cympak 3 February 2021 15: 00
            0
            Then this is not a business
            ========
            Well, it's like homing ... but not "fire and forget", because at the final stage of the flight, the ammunition requires target illumination. Something like Krasnopol!

            I'll try to explain it simply.
            Laser homing is also homing, as well as active / passive radio guidance or passive infrared guidance. Rocket based on data received from homing heads (GOS), independently generates control signals for its control. Missiles without homing are either unguided or command, when external commands are sent to the missile to correct its flight.
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 2 February 2021 12: 12
          -1
          At the final_ of the GOS. Highlight and adjust the long-range launcher at 100 km. at the initial stage of the flight.
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 2 February 2021 10: 55
        0
        Quote: newbie
        At the initial stage of the flight, it is corrected by the satellite,

        what is it? Glonass or something (so it only works for stationary targets), if this were the case, then all the aug karachun would come.
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 2 February 2021 12: 15
          0
          It is corrected both by the satellite directly and by satellite communication, i.e. via satellite. Also, on the final segment of the flight, homing, target acquisition and tracking are included. So there are moving targets as well.
    2. Cympak
      Cympak 2 February 2021 10: 42
      +8
      and the system "fire and forget" allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships

      How's that?

      This original understanding of the principle "fire and forget" in the Tula JSC "Instrument Design Bureau". In their opinion, "Kornet" has implemented this principle.
      Marketing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 February 2021 11: 04
        +2
        The cornet is aimed along a 1.5 m diameter laser corridor,
        in which the rocket flies (with a characteristic yaw to the right to the left, up and down).
        It is necessary to aim at the target until the very moment of hitting.
        This requires experienced, cold-blooded operators.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 2 February 2021 11: 24
          +2
          The automatic tracking machine is already in use ... and you can maneuver left and right by some degree
        2. venik
          venik 2 February 2021 13: 18
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The cornet is aimed along a 1.5 m diameter laser corridor,
          in which the rocket flies (with a characteristic yaw to the right to the left, up and down).

          ========
          Actually, as far as I know, "Cornet" flies along a characteristic tapering spiral......
          --------
          Quote: voyaka uh
          It is necessary to aim at the target until the very moment of hitting.
          This requires experienced, cold-blooded operators.

          =======
          For this purpose, the "Cornet" has automatic target tracking. The fighter took aim, the assault rifle captures the target and leads it after the "start" command until the moment of hit (or miss, although they are rare for the "Cornet").
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 2 February 2021 23: 40
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This requires experienced, cold-blooded operators.

          Hezbollah has such, for example. yes wink
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 3 February 2021 07: 37
            0
            The presence of KAZ negates ATGMs and RPGs.
            1. Roma 1977
              Roma 1977 3 February 2021 08: 16
              0
              Does not reduce. It only reduces efficiency.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 3 February 2021 14: 50
                0
                Does not reduce. It only reduces efficiency.

                To zero? While the KAZ is working, the missiles will be intercepted.
                1. Roma 1977
                  Roma 1977 3 February 2021 16: 39
                  0
                  There are nuances.
                  1. 3danimal
                    3danimal 3 February 2021 16: 53
                    0
                    Examples? The Israeli experience (the largest) speaks FOR the use of KAZ.
                    1. Roma 1977
                      Roma 1977 4 February 2021 09: 35
                      0
                      Of course, with KAZ it is better than without. But in real combat conditions, 100% protection still cannot be achieved, and with the development of weapons, the effectiveness of the KAZ will continue to decline.
                      1. 3danimal
                        3danimal 4 February 2021 11: 43
                        0
                        KAZ will also be improved.
                        90 +% - an excellent result, because you can not be afraid of the same Cornet on board.
                        Someone got lucky and bought 1200+ sets request
      2. venik
        venik 2 February 2021 13: 07
        0
        Quote: Cympak
        This original understanding of the principle "fire and forget" in the Tula JSC "Instrument-making Design Bureau".

        ========
        This is the "original understanding" of the "fire and forget" principle - the author of the article, not the Tula KBP!
        --------
        Quote: Cympak
        In their opinion, Kornet has implemented this principle as well.

        =======
        When did this happen? The fact that guidance is carried out in automatic mode, i.e. the target after the shot is accompanied and illuminated by an assault rifle (not a person). - they really affirmed and assert. "But what they claim is that" Cornet "is homing (" shot and forgot ") - for the first time I hear from you!
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 2 February 2021 14: 17
          +1
          But what they claim is that "Kornet" is homing ("shot and forgot") - for the first time I hear from you!

          Everything is so, but you look at youtube (haven't covered yet;) interviews from various exhibitions of KBP-Tula leaders, where they often attribute to their ATGM the "fire and forget" principle only on the grounds that they have a target tracking machine.
          And the practice of the war in Donbass has shown that it is important for an ATGM to have a remote control panel in order not to lose trained ATGMs from the return fire of mortars and snipers. The Ukrainians quickly made such a revision, but we are expecting something .... losses?
          1. venik
            venik 2 February 2021 15: 56
            +1
            Quote: Cympak
            And the practice of the war in Donbass has shown that it is important for an ATGM to have a remote control panel in order not to lose trained ATGMs from the return fire of mortars and snipers.

            ========
            Well, as far as I know, the remote control on the "Cornet" is exactly provided, at least on the latest modifications .... And which ones were used in Donbass and Syria - alas! I do not know...... request
          2. 3danimal
            3danimal 3 February 2021 07: 39
            0
            do we expect something .... losses?

            Probably not very concerned about the issue. And they believe that we have a lot of people ..
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 3 February 2021 05: 58
        +2
        In their opinion, Kornet has implemented this principle.
        Marketing
        since 1996 and continues, in 2020 the military was clearly not satisfied with a number of characteristics, that "mixture", then they point to the transition to version 2.0, then another 25 years of experimental work and by 2045, we will be able to contemplate the final version of "Hermes v.100"! ? With "gloomy" perspectives of original understanding ... laughing
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 2 February 2021 10: 57
      +7
      Actually, the principle of "fire and forget" says that when the seeker on a rocket captures
      target, the operator "releases" the missile, stops tracking the target.
      And it works on a different target with a different rocket.
      Target illumination can be laser from a drone.
      If the target is stationary, and the missiles have a Glonas or GPS receiver, then you can
      shoot immediately, having the coordinates of the target.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 3 February 2021 06: 04
        0
        Actually, the principle of "fire and forget" says that when the seeker on a rocket captures
        target, the operator "releases" the missile, stops tracking the target.
        And it works on a different target with a different rocket.
        Target illumination can be laser from a drone.
        Well, then it is a "cross" from different generations, if you have to illuminate the target with a "laser" at the terminal section of the trajectory !? After all, canonically:
        The expression came into circulation at the beginning of the 1970s, as the tendency to complicate the device of weapons and military equipment with a simultaneous simplification of their operation grew. Sometimes it is also called the third generation of guided weapons (it is understood that in the first generation weapons, the operator directly controls the trajectory of the ammunition, the second generation requires the operator to visually track the target through the sighting system, the automation of which calculates the control actions, and the third generation weapon limits the operator's tasks only by choosing targets before launch) .Samples of homing weapons, implementing the principle of "fire and forget", belong to the class of programmed machines (pre-programmed machines)
        and here we have illumination with a seeker, of any type, and guidance along the coordinates of the target, using satellite navigation ...
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 20
      +1
      How's that?

      With the help of drones, I understand this by highlighting the target from him :) Here is such a special "shot and forgot"
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 2 February 2021 12: 26
        +1
        In such a complex, different GOS are needed .... from "cheap" with GLONASS to "expensive" AGSN. And anti-radar.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 29
          0
          They are claimed to be different. But which ones are needed and for which complex, this is already a slightly more serious question. With AGSN, it is not clear what kind of seeker it should be to fit into the dimensions of the complex and have time to capture the target at its speed.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 February 2021 12: 34
            0
            Well, on the final trajectory the speed is not that great.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 3 February 2021 06: 06
        +1
        With the help of drones, I understand this by highlighting the target from him :) Here is such a special "shot and forgot"
        there is rather a low efficiency of the seeker, or even its absence in order to reduce the cost of the complex and ammunition ... repeat
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 3 February 2021 11: 12
          0
          Well, I repeat once again - the question of choosing the GOS is interesting (I don't think it's possible without it for 100 km). On the one hand, the caliber is 130 mm, in such a way you can cram any seeker.
          On the other hand, as I again understand, the weight of the second stage is still limited.
          On the third hand, the high flight speed, firstly, does not allow the target to go far, the seeker itself theoretically can theoretically "make" a smaller correction, on the other hand, at a high flight speed and the time for the target lock is less ... In general, it is interesting that they implemented in this complex.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 3 February 2021 11: 43
            +1
            on the other hand, if the flight speed is high and the time taken by the seeker to lock on to a target is less.
            up to 100 km., but even - up to 50 km. and all this at speeds up to 1300 m / s !? There is little time for correction at the seeker, there are no tube computers, most likely or you can already begin to doubt the speed of the SoC of the ballistic module of the seeker! ???
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 3 February 2021 11: 51
              0
              SoC speed

              What clever abbreviations have gone. Performance in some abstract mega-giga-tera flops or something else, and the time required to solve a problem from and to is a little different. But I really am not competent to comment on this, it was just an assumption "with a finger to the sky", for this you need to know at least in detail the characteristics and principles of operation of all equipment, not only this SoK of yours. But for some reason, for many systems with a seeker, they report such a parameter as the time for capturing the target by the head.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 3 February 2021 12: 12
                0
                But for some reason, for many systems with a seeker, they report such a parameter as the time for capturing the target by the head.
                and they do what they say! Quite a necessary parameter for an assessment by a customer during a tender in the field of procurement of one or another type of weapon, especially imported products ...
                Performance in some abstract mega-giga-tera flops or something else, and the time required to solve a problem from and to is a little different.
                this is a complex parameter, there are many "pitfalls" in synthetics (when testing on different tasks, with different algorithms in software) and in real assessment ...
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 February 2021 09: 37
    +3
    Wow ATGM! At a distance of 100 km ... Guided missile weapons of "short" range ... The GOS only works with illumination ... Well, when firing at such ranges ... Otherwise, it will probably be too expensive ...
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    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 2 February 2021 09: 48
      -1
      Probably all the same not 100, but 10.
      GOS only works with backlight ...
      Therefore, UAVs and ships, from them and highlight.
      And I also think that this particular one will not go into service, at best for sale. It's better to wait for version 2.0. Better yet, 3.0. If the manufacturer talks about modernization in six months
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 2 February 2021 09: 52
        +7
        The same maximum speed is still 100 km. "Hermes" are many and different: "Hermes" - ground launchers, with the letter "A" air, strikes at 20 km; "K" is shipborne, "C" is stationary.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 2 February 2021 09: 57
          +7
          Especially climbed to look, yes. In a two-stage version, the range is 100. In the same as in the photo to the article - 20 km.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 26
            0
            Especially climbed to look, yes. In a two-stage version, the range is 100. In the same as in the photo to the article - 20 km.

            Uh .. m .. And you, as from the photo, determine it there inside the TPK, how many stepped is it?
            In general, a lot has been written about this Hermes, a very long time ago and very confusingly. They either quote old marketing materials or confuse it with a promising recently tested long-range universal missile, about which little is known either.
      2. venik
        venik 2 February 2021 10: 55
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        Probably all the same not 100, but 10.

        ========
        I think it's 100, not 10! (https://missilery.info/missile/hermes).
        ---------
        Quote: NDR-791
        And I also think that this particular one will not go into service, at best for sale. It's better to wait for version 2.0. Better yet, 3.0.

        =======
        And even better - 4.0, 5.0 or 6.0 ... Yes, you can to infinity wait!
        I think very soon, the Ministry of Defense will decide everything and find out! hi
      3. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 2 February 2021 10: 59
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        it is better to wait for version 2.0. Better yet, 3.0. If the manufacturer talks about modernization in six months

        This is a common practice, this is normal.
        One system is being prepared for production, the other for the testing stage, the third is being developed, and the technical requirements are being developed for the fourth.
        It’s not normal, it’s when something was pushed into production and climbed to sleep on the stove.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 2 February 2021 11: 31
          0
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          This is a common practice, this is normal.
          One system is being prepared for production, the other for the testing stage, the third is being developed, and the technical requirements are being developed for the fourth.

          Pomnitz, Grumman began developing a replacement for its Wildcat carrier-based fighter a year before production began. smile
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 2 February 2021 10: 34
      +3
      Backlighting does not cost anything from a high-altitude UAV - cheap and reliable.
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 2 February 2021 11: 26
      0
      Theoretically, a rocket should fly into a given square and find a target in some sector: a tank, a ship, etc. (and) or the operator can adjust the point of impact.
  3. makmak
    makmak 2 February 2021 09: 46
    -4
    at a distance of up to 100 km.

    Too much for such a rocket, this is not Tornado, maybe 10 km?
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 2 February 2021 10: 23
      +3
      In some articles, this is generally an operational tactical complex not ATGM.
      1. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 2 February 2021 10: 51
        +3
        In terms of the warhead, it is rather true. ATGM usually does not have a high-explosive fragmentation warhead, but a cumulative (tandem) one. But 28 kg of TNT is apparently enough to destroy the tank (or disable it).
        But the warhead may eventually be replaced with a cumulative one and a b / h volumetric explosion.
        1. Roma 1977
          Roma 1977 3 February 2021 08: 20
          0
          Experts said that the Hermes had a high-explosive warhead. And that its power is enough to destroy a heavily armored target of the "tank" type. That is, cumulative is not needed in principle.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 February 2021 09: 51
    -1
    And who is our fabulous author? Is it possible to learn more about this device?
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 2 February 2021 10: 20
      +3
      And what was the author's fabulous writing? I read it twice and did not understand where the tales are?
    2. venik
      venik 2 February 2021 11: 00
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      And who is our fabulous author? Is it possible to learn more about this device?

      ==========
      One of the many links was above: https://missilery.info/missile/hermes
      You can also see:
      - http://bastion-karpenko.ru/hermes/;
      - https://rg.ru/2020/08/25/raketnyj-kompleks-germes-unichtozhit-tanki-na-rasstoianii-do-100-km.html;
      - https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4119348.html

      =====
      hi
    3. lucul
      lucul 2 February 2021 12: 26
      -4
      And who is our fabulous author? Is it possible to learn more about this device?

      Did you just wake up? A year ago, they said about Hermes that it was the Javelin killer. Because it is cheaper and much longer and can be installed on any pickup.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 34
        +4
        A year ago, they said about Hermes that it was the Javelin killer, because it is cheaper and much longer-range and can be put on any pickup.

        What kind of killer is he if you have to put him on a pickup, and Javelin is a wearable weapon. They are in different niches in general. Their Javelin is conditionally our RPG .. with blackjack and shot-and-forget
        1. lucul
          lucul 2 February 2021 12: 38
          -7
          What kind of killer is he if you have to put him on a pickup, and Javelin is a wearable weapon. They are in different niches in general. Their Javelin is conditionally our RPG .. with blackjack and shot-and-forget

          Pfff ... 3km for Javelin versus 100km for Hermes. When targeting from a drone, Javelin simply has no chance.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 40
            +4
            You still would compare with Iskander, or just with an intercontinental missile. Once again - Javelin he is in the RPG-7 niche, not even a cornet. Here with him and compare and "Pfykaite"
            1. lucul
              lucul 2 February 2021 12: 48
              -6
              Once again - he is a Javelin in the RPG-7 niche, not even a cornet. Here with him and compare and "Pfykaite"

              Why is Javelin needed then? )))
              If Hermes is possible ahead of time, within a radius of 50 km, to destroy all enemy tanks, even before direct contact, like Javelins))).
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 February 2021 13: 09
                +1
                Well, explain the obvious things or what?
                Firstly, why is it within a radius of 50 and not 100?
                Secondly, it is certainly possible to destroy it, it is indisputable, but before the destruction of these "all enemy tanks in the radius" it would be good to first somehow detect. How are you going to do this?
                even before direct contact

                No, this is not a call to express your fantasies on the topic. I just want to say that each weapon has its own tactical niche.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 2 February 2021 13: 21
                  -3
                  it would be nice to find out somehow. How are you going to do this?

                  Orions for what? )))
                  No, this is not a call to express your fantasies on the topic. I just want to say that each weapon has its own tactical niche.

                  Well, yes, for example, I have an assault rifle with a firing range of 1 m, and you have an assault rifle with a firing range of only 000 m, but the whole thing takes place in an open field. Who will have the advantage? )))
                  Or will there be a tactical niche again? ))))
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 2 February 2021 13: 33
                    +1
                    then I absolutely do not understand why this Hermes is needed, we have "Ash", you know what their range?
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 2 February 2021 13: 46
                      -6
                      then I absolutely do not understand why this Hermes is needed, we have "Ash", you know what their range?

                      So Hermes is cheaper than Javelin)))
                      If "Ash trees" were cheaper than Hermes, then Hermes would be needed then nafik)))
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 2 February 2021 16: 00
                        -1
                        So Hermes is cheaper than Javelin)))

                        So it's not a fact. Especially if you count it according to some "purchasing power parity".
            2. garri-lin
              garri-lin 2 February 2021 13: 33
              0
              Rather Bassoon / Mestizo.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 3 February 2021 06: 10
          0
          What kind of killer is he if you have to put him on a pickup, and Javelin is a wearable weapon. They are in different niches in general. Their Javelin is conditionally our RPG .. with blackjack and shot-and-forget
          only in RPG shots - no GOS, of course conditional laughing !? And here it is blackjack and ...., and then you can drink coffee after moving to another position winked
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 2 February 2021 12: 35
        0
        Apparently I was not there during the conversation. lol hi
        But, judging by today's later comments, people still have not come to a consensus. fellow
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 2 February 2021 10: 16
    +1
    The promising Hermes anti-tank complex may receive a new version with a faster and more powerful missile.

    just a weapon, worse, more lethal.
  6. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 February 2021 10: 33
    0
    and the system "fire and forget" allows you to direct missiles to the target using drones or ships.

    Did he understand what he said? (WITH)

    Usually, "fired and forgot" means the presence of a self-sufficient seeker on the rocket that does not need anyone's help.
    And "Hermes", as far as I remember, just has a semi-active guidance system, which does not work without target illumination by third-party means.
    According to some reports, in general, command guidance along the laser beam, which is already "shot and forgotten"
    1. bk316
      bk316 2 February 2021 10: 45
      +2
      And "Hermes", as far as I remember, just has a semi-active guidance system, which does not work without target illumination by third-party means.

      Read better than no beam guidance.
      Exit to the target area by stationary targets, the inertial system or by satellites with the assignment of coordinates.
      By mobile radio command.
      At the final section of the GOS.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 2 February 2021 11: 16
        -1
        Quote: bk316
        At the final section of the GOS.

        Ага.
        Only which one?
        Laser.
        Semi-active.
        Requiring the help of a drone, ship or suicide infantryman
        1. lucul
          lucul 2 February 2021 12: 29
          0
          Ага.
          Only which one?
          Laser.
          Semi-active.
          Requiring the help of a drone, ship or suicide infantryman

          Do you want to challenge the RF Ministry of Defense? )))
          You were told - "shot and forgot." The whole difficulty lies in the initial target designation.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 36
            0
            Do you want to challenge the RF Ministry of Defense? )))

            This was reported by RIA Novosti with reference to Bekkhan Ozdoev, industrial director of the Rostec weapons complex.

            It would seem, what does the RF Ministry of Defense have to do with it?
            1. lucul
              lucul 2 February 2021 12: 41
              0
              It would seem, what does the RF Ministry of Defense have to do with it?

              What is Rostec? ))))
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 42
                +2
                What is Rostec? ))))

                Well, how would Google help you, but there is no Rostec and MO are different organizations.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 2 February 2021 12: 55
                  -3
                  Well, how would Google help you, but there is no Rostec and MO are different organizations.

                  If Rostec were a private office, I would not say anything, but Rostec is one of the pillars of the Ministry of Defense on which it relies.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 2 February 2021 13: 05
                    +2
                    Well, you still on Rogozin's "pearls" would have said "you want to argue with the RF Ministry of Defense." Rostec is Rostec, MO is MO. Some kind of director of Rostec is a civilian who is currently marketing a new product, and can carry anything at all, this is not even mentioning that he can and not everything, in principle, he can say out loud to the general public.
          2. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 2 February 2021 14: 16
            -1
            Quote: lucul
            Do you want to challenge the RF Ministry of Defense? ))) "

            No, I want to challenge the author of this text.
            Quote: lucul

            They told you - "shot and forgot"

            And they added about the help of some ships and demons.
            So I ask, can you forget, or do you need help anyway?
        2. bk316
          bk316 2 February 2021 13: 04
          0
          Laser.
          Semi-active.

          Do you have a proof or just really want to have suicide infantrymen?
          In addition to what is stated about the principle of "let it out and forget", I proceed from the fact that the complex is going to be used in coastal batteries.
          And there somehow the semi-active did not take root - the suicide infantrymen do not swim well. belay
        3. garri-lin
          garri-lin 2 February 2021 13: 43
          +2
          The fact of the matter is that the rocket is large enough. A lot of things can be accommodated there. Even with the Russian element base. The question is about MO's desire and order. Plus, new GOS can be gradually developed in the process of exploitation.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 3 February 2021 06: 13
      +1
      According to some reports, in general, command guidance along the laser beam, which is already "shot and forgotten"
      I agree, it is the 2nd generation and it does not go to the third one, even close .., for this, the GOS is needed - a passive or an active type, but with this one can see "not very much" yet !!!
  7. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 2 February 2021 10: 47
    0
    Modernization can be done more often than once every six months, if during this time something happens in the field of production of element base and materials.
    For example, phones are updated 2-3 times a year.
    Suddenly, the process also started.
    Although, due to the fact that our "newest" aircraft have been produced for more than 12 years and no signs of modernization are visible (on the contrary, the previous ones are being updated to catch up with them), somehow such progress is hard to believe.
  8. PSih2097
    PSih2097 2 February 2021 10: 51
    0
    Each missile has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead, contains twenty-eight kilograms in TNT equivalent and develops a maximum speed of up to 1300 m / s.

    And the meaning of the PF warhead is to use against armored vehicles, especially the heavy type of tanks, as for me it's easier to use MLRS in areas ...
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 2 February 2021 10: 58
      +1
      If you accurately hit the tank, then with the help of the HE warhead it will be destroyed. The main advantage of a high-precision missile with a HE warhead is the cheapness of the charge and versatility for most targets.
    2. lucul
      lucul 2 February 2021 12: 30
      0
      as for me it's easier to apply MLRS by area ...

      Forget the squares, only "smart" missiles for MLRS.
  9. bukhach
    bukhach 2 February 2021 10: 52
    -4
    Eight sec. to the limit of a hundred is impressive, if only he quickly went into the army, otherwise they will endlessly modernize, the best enemy of the good.
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 2 February 2021 11: 08
      +3
      The Tula KBP has been transporting prototypes of Hermes missiles to various exhibitions for about 20 years. True, on these models, the GOS was not observed in any way. Maybe this is the problem?
      1. bukhach
        bukhach 2 February 2021 14: 26
        +1
        So you yourself do not know what the problem is, if you ask. Or maybe it is in something else that you are not aware of. Personally, I wish "Hermes" success and appearance in the army as early as possible, but if this does not suit someone then to hell with him.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 3 February 2021 06: 15
        +1
        True, on these models, the GOS was not observed in any way. Maybe this is the problem?
        The GOS is just nanoscale, that's why it's not observed ... lol
  10. Cympak
    Cympak 2 February 2021 11: 03
    0
    The Turks scrambled the Hermes.

    And they said that they had time to test it in Karabakh
    In Karabakh, Azerbaijanis used Turkish multiple launch rocket systems with the latest high-precision TRLG-230 satellite-guided and laser-guided missiles from Roketsan. Target designation was given by Bayraktar TB2. In fact, the missiles passed the first combat tests in Karabakh. Hit Accuracy 100% ".
    1. DDZ57
      DDZ57 2 February 2021 11: 42
      +2
      The Turks scrambled the Hermes.


      The Turks did not scramble the Hermes, but calmly, without releasing gases into a puddle, manufactured and tested in a real combat conflict a multifunctional multi-caliber missile system based on a Russian-made chassis. In real combat conditions, a twin was worked out: a missile system - an UAV.
      Their TRLG-230 guided missile as shown above showed 100% efficiency.
      And the level of their technologies in the coming years will make it possible to implement the "fire and forget" principle in this missile system in several versions.
      And "dear Russians from KBP" zapadlo go to "Splav" (which is 10 minutes walk) and agree on a single platform and a unified TPK.
      And so for another twenty years they will write press releases with a predicted result (according to Chernomyrdin): "They want the best, they will receive it as always."
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 2 February 2021 12: 38
      0
      No, they did not copy-paste, this is generally different, it looks more like Tornado-S with guided projectiles.
      1. Cympak
        Cympak 2 February 2021 14: 07
        0
        No, they did not copy-paste, this is generally different, it looks more like Tornado-S with guided projectiles.

        I exaggerated a little on copy-paste. Unlike some Chinese products, when the external shape and many details coincide, the Turks, of course, made an original complex with their rocket.
        But the general concept is similar to the long-range "Hermes" - on the marching site, correction by satellite navigation, at the final site, guidance by an external laser control center. Even the number of missiles on the launcher is the same as the launcher "Hermes"
  11. Angry
    Angry 2 February 2021 15: 49
    +3
    "Do not read Soviet newspapers in the morning!" So here, "everything can," yes, "everything will be," but in fact they did not do it, they thwarted the order, and spent the money. And most importantly, there are no guilty people in our country ... They will receive orders for another highly paid position and leave. And the army did not receive the complex, moreover, none, neither bad nor good. For how many years I have heard for it, 25 years for sure! And it was not and is not.
  12. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 February 2021 01: 03
    +2
    Hermes is something so cool, but it will come later.
  13. 3danimal
    3danimal 3 February 2021 16: 55
    0
    Fired-Forgotten assumes the presence of an active seeker. When you do NOT need to illuminate the target with a laser or something.
  14. 3danimal
    3danimal 3 February 2021 16: 58
    +1
    IMHO, a missile of this mass, range (and price) is the wrong way.
    An attack drone is the best solution, it conducts reconnaissance and attacks itself.