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BMP-1 and BMP-2: races on the range and shooting at targets

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Open space, roaring motors, clanking metal - and this is not an ordinary rally with race cars. This is a military vehicle race. Infantry fighting vehicles - BMP-1 and BMP-2 - were brought up to the start.


Tracked armored vehicles pass the first section of the distance, make a U-turn practically on the spot and go back, while maneuvering.

One of the most spectacular parts of this BMP rally is the drift on the training ground.

All these races on BMPs were shown on the Krupnokaliberny Raspolokh channel. The author of the video presents to the viewer not only how the armored vehicles behave at the maximum speeds possible for them, but also how they fundamentally differ from each other - including differences in weapons.

For example, it is indicated that the BMP-1 was created for combat operations mainly in flat Europe. However, for a war in mountainous areas (for example, in Afghanistan), its gun was already not suitable, since it had a very limited ability to deviate in a vertical plane - the combat vehicle became an easy target for the enemy, who occupied the dominant height. She simply could not respond with fire in such a way that it covered the enemy, who was entrenched in the mountains.

About how the BMP-1 and BMP-2 behave at the training ground, how and with what weapons they hit targets, how they work in pairs - in the plot of the mentioned channel:

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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 2 February 2021 09: 29
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    There is also gunpowder in the flask .................. soldier soldier
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 2 February 2021 10: 24
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      Quote: SaLaR
      There is also gunpowder in the flask ..................

      In this case, we have. "Behi" are ours, and the video was filmed here ...

      Moreover, a whole cycle.
      And clearly yes Fresh moments when the Ukrop "deuce" smashed us the position of the "cliff" from exactly such (standard) blocks ...
  2. Stepan S
    Stepan S 2 February 2021 11: 10
    +2
    I wonder where the YouTube equipment, ammunition comes from ..? It can be seen that the machines are very ancient, like "after the war."
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 2 February 2021 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: Stepan S
      I wonder where the tech from YouTube, ammunition ...? It can be seen that the machines are very ancient, like "after the war".

      wassat laughing laughing "Like for attentiveness "good yes

      Not "like after the war" , and during the war

      The video was filmed in the DPR, on real military equipment. So her condition is "as it is".
      1. Flashpoint
        Flashpoint 2 February 2021 14: 52
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        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: Stepan S
        I wonder where the tech from YouTube, ammunition ...? It can be seen that the machines are very ancient, like "after the war".

        wassat laughing laughing "Like for attentiveness "good yes

        Not "like after the war" , and during the war

        The video was filmed in the DPR, on real military equipment. So her condition is "as it is".

        Video - class, cheer up! Say hello to comrades from grateful viewers!
        hi
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 2 February 2021 14: 58
          +1
          Quote: Flashpoint
          Video - class, cheer up! Say hello to comrades from grateful viewers!

          Do you know what ... Comrades (u-tube channel), not ours, but from Russia yes
        2. Hagen
          Hagen 2 February 2021 23: 19
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          Quote: Flashpoint
          Roller - class

          Maybe a movie and a class, but the bearded dude, apparently by mistake, called the Thunder gun "no rollback", and the demonstrated shot PG-15 called PG-9. And in general, he does not seem to distinguish a grenade from a shot. It is certainly a trifle, but indicative. The drive of the horizontal guidance of the gun at 20 deg / s is quite sufficient to track such a target as a growth target running around the BMP. Although, as in the BMP-2, there is no automatic target acquisition and tracking. The BMP-2 has a horizontal guidance speed in automatic mode - 6g / sec, in manual mode - 30. So there is a factual inaccuracy. Apparently chuvachek if he served in the RA, then not on the BMP. laughing
  3. Konnick
    Konnick 2 February 2021 14: 28
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    Quote: Insurgent
    really military equipment.

    Which will sweep away all the birdhouses and T-90, and Armata. You don't even need to pierce the armor, but simply blind them. While the turret of the tank is turning, these cars will shoot all the ammunition and leave.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 2 February 2021 14: 44
      +3
      Quote: Konnick
      While the turret of the tank is turning, these cars will shoot all the ammunition and leave.

      "You talk apolitically, I swear on my word! "

      So the tank allowed the "behu" to come within range of fire ... Yeah, yes ...
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 2 February 2021 14: 50
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        This is if in an open field, and a city, mountains or forests .... Yeah. Low visibility conditions. The modern optoelectronic devices are too delicate and huge. Excellent goals. During World War II, modern tanks could not even drive up to the trenches. All devices would have smashed and demolished the modules on the tower along with the machine guns.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 2 February 2021 14: 54
          +2
          Quote: Konnick
          This is if in an open field, and a city, mountains or forests .... Yeah. Low visibility conditions.

          And there, the tanks will not be alone, but will be covered by the infantry, which will climb to the heights, occupying the key ones.

          It is on paper and in YouTube videos, everything is so simple and smooth. But as soon as you get out on the ground ...
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 2 February 2021 15: 19
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            Slowly, without firing, the first line of German tanks left the forest road in the amount of 10 pieces, followed by another, in total 7 ranks of 10 tanks left, i.e. 70 tanks. They move slowly, looking at the positions of our artillery. Commander Nikiforov allowed the first line to go to the middle of the inclined valley, and when the tanks began to go out in the given directions, Nikiforov at that time noticed which tank the chief of the armada was in and began shooting at the chief's tank at vulnerable spots; at this time it was exactly 3 pm. There was no positive shooting result. Nikiforov loaded the tape from the tapes brought by Frolov and began to shoot at the track of the chief's tank. We both saw: there was a flash of fire on the left track, and the track exploded, and the armada chief's tank turned to the left by 120 degrees, no less. The chief tank was surrounded by neighboring German tanks, protecting it from the fire of our artillery and the continuous fire of Nikifirov from the DShK. The chief from his tank could not climb into any nearest neighboring tank, and for a long time was surrounded by his tanks, while the chief decided to escort his tank to the forest path, before it’s too late: the "disgusting DShK" darkened my eyes, tanks protecting me, "circling" - obscuring the battlefield. The battle between our artillery and German tanks had already lasted about 50 minutes and the sound of our artillery firing was heard sometimes weaker, sometimes stronger. A large shelling of our rear began
            https://www.forum-kenig.ru/viewtopic.php?t=2323
            This is about the battle in Prussia. DShK against tanks. A small excerpt, there was only one DShK, but in capable hands.
            BATTLE BEFORE KLEIN NORGAU "05.02.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          2. Intruder
            Intruder 3 February 2021 19: 23
            +2
            It is on paper and in YouTube videos, everything is so simple and smooth. But as soon as you get out on the ground ...
            right, but they show everything on an even "table" of the polygon, "forgetting about the ravines"!
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 4 February 2021 08: 07
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              Quote: Intruder
              right, but they show everything on an even "table" of the polygon, "forgetting about the ravines"!

              These are bloggers ... views, "likes", ratings ...
    2. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint 2 February 2021 14: 51
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      Quote: Konnick
      Quote: Insurgent
      really military equipment.

      Which will sweep away all the birdhouses and T-90, and Armata. You don't even need to pierce the armor, but simply blind them. While the turret of the tank is turning, these cars will shoot all the ammunition and leave.

      This is for an ambush scenario or an infantry fighting vehicle that actually got close to the tank. For this, well, the crew of the BMP must try very hard, and the crew of the tank must really sleep through everything and be left without cover.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 2 February 2021 15: 40
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        The capabilities of modern large-caliber small arms, automatic and sniper, make tanks inapplicable for close combat. A tank with modern huge and vulnerable observation and aiming devices, KAZs and dynamic protection will not be able to approach a modern infantry unit closer than 2 km. The density and accuracy of the fire will quickly blind the tank, which needs to stop or slow down significantly for targeted shooting (look at tank biathlon, at what speed most people smear on targets 1,5 kilometers or closer, I don't remember, and this is on flat concrete)
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 3 February 2021 19: 43
      +2
      While the turret of the tank is turning, these cars will shoot all the ammunition and leave.

      from BMP-1 with 73 mm. "Thunder": the maximum speed of guidance along the horizontal and vertical are - not less than 20 and 6 deg / s, look at the tank, such as "Leclerc":
      - automation is capable of providing a technical rate of fire (excluding aiming and aiming) up to 15 rds / min. Effective rate of fire is 10 - 12 rds / min both from a standstill and on the move;
      - the time of aiming the gun (turning the 19-ton Leclerc tower) by 180 ° is carried out in 5 seconds;
      alas, not much faster, with an equivalent rate of fire ...
      for BMP-2 with 30 mm. 2A42: maximum guidance speeds are in the horizontal plane - 30 deg / s, and in the vertical plane - 35 deg / s. The "Target designation" mode is designed to turn the turret in the direction of the target selected by the commander, with a transfer speed (30 deg / s) at the shortest distance ...
      Already comparable in ideal conditions of the training ground, only the caliber is even more "small" for shooting at targets, such as: MBT!
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 2 February 2021 15: 51
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    Quote: Insurgent
    And clearly Fresh moments of how the Ukrop "deuce" smashed us the position of the "cliff" from exactly such (standard) blocks.

    In modern military conflicts, it makes no sense to create stationary firing positions. The accuracy of modern weapons is very high, it is enough for a howitzer, such as the Coalition, to give exact coordinates and there is no checkpoint or a beautiful artillery yard in Armenian.
  5. Intruder
    Intruder 3 February 2021 15: 23
    +1
    I alone, noticed this phrase:
    However, for a war in mountainous areas (for example, in Afghanistan), her gun was already not enough.
    2A28 "Thunder" - Soviet smooth-bore gun-launcher, or rather more launchers than a gun wink
    Although already in the next versions, the BMP-1D / 1P / 1PK / 1PG / 1-30 / 1M already have different weapons (30 mm) and a bunch of additional weapons: AG and even ATGMs, plus armored screens and other optimizations (for 1M - a thermal imager and a device laser guidance 1K13-2) ...