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“So many troops have been assembled near Kaliningrad that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris” - comments in Polish media

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An article by the observer Maciej Peczyński has been published in the Polish press, discussing the publication in the Western press of materials about the existence of a NATO plan for a preventive strike against the Kaliningrad region. This material was published on the American information portal with reference to the American think tank CNA, which is related to the US Navy.


The Polish edition of Do Rzecy was outraged at the reaction in some Russian editions, where it was stated that the "plan for a preventive strike on the Kaliningrad region" may not be so much a plan of concrete actions of NATO forces as an information provocation from Poland.

In particular, it is indicated that the Russian media drew attention to the name of the author of the material in Overtdefence.com, and this is a certain Konrad Muzyka, as well as to the fact that the name of the city Królewiec is used in the text (the Polish designation of Kaliningrad is a Polish derivative of the German “ Koenigsberg ").

Maciej Peczyński, discussing this kind of publication in the Russian press, writes that "this is an example of how Poland is perceived in Russia."

From the article:

This is an attempt to once again present Poland as a state with imperial ambitions that threatens Russia and seeks to regain land in the east.

And these are some comments to the material of Maciej Peczyński from Polish readers.

no nie wiem

So Koenigsberg was never Polish. And then we will agree to the point that we ourselves have to return Sheqin.

For reference: Szczecin was formerly called Stettin and belonged to Germany.

Bogusław Łysy

Why attack him (Kaliningrad)? Let them choose where to live - in European Poland or in such an abnormal country as Russia ...

Apparently, this commentator believes that only Poland is a normal country in this world.

NiePOprawny

It makes no sense to talk about the return of Kaliningrad or a strike on it. Near Kaliningrad, since the times of the USSR, so much weapons and troops that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris.

But why "the Russians go to Paris", the author of the commentary does not specify.

As you can see, the comments are different in nature. But the fact remains: the publication about the NATO plan and the Russian reaction to it is being actively discussed by the Poles.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 1 February 2021 17: 53
    +22
    “So many troops have been assembled near Kaliningrad that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris” - comments in Polish media
    Fear has big eyes ... But in general it is for the better, that would have already lagged behind our Kaliningrad region
    1. figwam
      figwam 1 February 2021 18: 13
      +9
      Divide and divide the skin of an unkilled bear.
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 1 February 2021 18: 48
        +33
        In principle, it is possible to divide the skin of a bear that has not been killed ... However, preferably, not with a bear. And in this case, it is not more than an act of self-gratification. So let yourself draw ... Well, in the sense of self-satisfaction ...
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 1 February 2021 23: 35
          +11
          Poles need to remember that East Prussia was divided between Lithuania, Polsha and only a small territory went to the RSFSR. What the Poles want to say with their cheap comments is not clear. recourse
          1. Yuri Zaitsev
            Yuri Zaitsev 1 February 2021 23: 54
            +2
            Apart from Memel (Klaipeda), nothing was transferred to Lithuania from East Prussia, but they got a fat piece ...
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 2 February 2021 02: 34
          +3
          Quote: KOT BYUN
          In principle, it is possible to divide the skin of a bear that has not been killed ... However, preferably, not with a bear.

          with a "squirrel" ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 1 February 2021 18: 45
      .
      We urgently need to go to Paris, pants are full of holes, but the spirit is fighting ... though there is no one,
      1. 210ox
        210ox 1 February 2021 19: 25
        +30
        Well, let's go! Turn on the sofa, and go to Paris .. But seriously .. Well, if you pay attention to every bunch of Polish media ..
        1. Sandor Clegane
          Sandor Clegane 1 February 2021 20: 17
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, if you pay attention to every bunch of Polish media ..

          especially since this Polish bunch is published by their local mikhan….
        2. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 1 February 2021 20: 59
          +12
          Quote: 210ox
          Turn on the sofa and go to Paris.

          "And they went to the city of Paris.
          They wander through the dark forests.
          They walk wide steppes.
          They climb high mountains.
          Well, on the way, they gave concerts in the cities, with great success.
          Well, that's how we got to Paris ... " lol
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 1 February 2021 23: 06
            +14
            Quote: LIONnvrsk
            Well, that's how we got to Paris ... "

            There were our Cossacks in the glorious city of Paris. reached Paris. "On January 1, 1814, the Russian guard, led by Emperor Alexander, entered France from Switzerland. And on March 31, with the triumph of the victors, into Paris. From the moment of entering the territory of France, Alexander gave the order to his army:" To deal with the inhabitants as friendly as possible and conquer them with more generosity than revenge, not at all imitating the example of the French in Russia. "
            Source: https://kulturologia.ru/blogs/250418/38691/ But we haven't been to Washington yet ..
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      3. Mikhail Tynda
        Mikhail Tynda 1 February 2021 23: 43
        +7
        [Quote] We urgently need to go to Paris, pants are full of holes but the spirit is fighting ... the truth is there is no one [quote]
        Leaky pants? So why won't you sew? Ahhh ... so also your hands are gnarled? Not then, for sure, they won't let you go to Paris ...
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 1 February 2021 19: 16
      +4
      But why "the Russians go to Paris", the author of the commentary does not specify.

      What do you mean why ? If someone wakes up a Russian bear, he will go, chase him away, and at the same time go on an excursion "to the city of Paris." And that for a long time there was no Russian military, they forgot!
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 2 February 2021 02: 40
        +2
        Quote: Starover_Z
        But why "the Russians go to Paris", the author of the commentary does not specify.

        What do you mean why ? If someone wakes up a Russian bear, he will go, chase him away, and at the same time go on an excursion "to the city of Paris." And that for a long time there was no Russian military, they forgot!

        yes and do not remember (do not know) the Arabs and then the negros .. what kind of "parish" there ... have you been to "Orly" or "Charles de Gaulle"? these are Arab markets ...
    4. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 20: 47
      +4
      As many troops were assembled near Kaliningrad as needed to confidently hold the enclave. And troops from other regions will go to Paris, Lisbon and others))
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 February 2021 22: 10
        +4
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        And to Paris, Lisbon and others, troops from other regions will go

        America has to go, sail wherever further - we got there ... And for us this is not at all an impossible task. Just a question - But what about that Paris? request
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 22: 13
          +2
          Well .. so where to wash the boots? request
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 February 2021 22: 20
            +4
            Quote: Nikon OConor
            Well .. so where to wash the boots? request

            In the Seine and the Atlantic, no one promised to wash their boots. There after the Americans the water is dirty too.
            And in the Indian Ocean they have already washed. "Peter the Great" made regular visits to India. And they met well ...
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 22: 48
              +1
              All not

              Well, was it? and the water is in the atlantic, but for our boots they have already zapped))
  2. Luty
    Luty 1 February 2021 17: 53
    .
    The title of the article is a balm for the soul of hurray-patriots.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 1 February 2021 18: 11
      -1
      Quote: Luty
      The title of the article is a balm for the soul of hurray-patriots.

      Eka you got them. They will know how to patriot.
      I give you leavened and homespun "+"
      What is it like?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 1 February 2021 18: 30
        .
        And I just put him "+" honey and caviar.
    2. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 22: 20
      +17
      He served in the Strategic Missile Forces in the early 2000s. The chief of staff said: "We will wash ourselves in blood, even drown in blood, but there will be no blood across the ocean, nothing will happen at all ..."
      (c) Lieutenant Colonel Chashchin
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor 1 February 2021 22: 32
        +4
        There is silence after us))
  3. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 February 2021 17: 54
    +11
    I suppose they are here considering the conventional conflict of their East European "barrier ditch with shit" with Russia, and they themselves are not planning to participate in it. laughing In my opinion, because dead rams are completely useless for them. What is their profit from the fact that, according to the results of the Russian Federation, it will simply drain this whole ditch with poop and earth laughing
  4. SaLaR
    SaLaR 1 February 2021 17: 58
    +3
    Whatever the child is amused with, just not to cry ... am
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 1 February 2021 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: SaLaR
      , just not to plakolo ...

      I will paraphrase a little, just not to fart.
      Stinks painfully No.
  5. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 February 2021 18: 03
    +9
    These installations have nuclear ammunition with a capacity of 2 kilotons in their standard ammunition. From them, the logs will not have time to sweat in any way - they will immediately evaporate.

    I tried to figure it out on my knees: today only the Ground Forces of Russia, not counting the Aerospace Forces, the Navy and the Strategic Missile Forces, are ready to fire about 1500 tactical nuclear charges into the busurman in one salvo. I believe at least half of this power is in the Western Military District. When are the logs going to sweat? In half an hour everything from the Baltic to the Atlantic will evaporate. Don't sweat. laughing
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 1 February 2021 18: 22
      +8
      It is important to clarify that we can only fire tactical nuclear charges when absolutely necessary, that is, when repelling aggression on Russian territory. So the choice is theirs, they do not want to turn into ashes - let them not come to us.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 1 February 2021 18: 32
        +1
        They are not afraid of nuclear weapons. They are confident that our elite will not dare to use it.
        1. Ruby
          Ruby 1 February 2021 19: 12
          +12
          If we weren’t afraid, we would have tried it already. And they are not alone.
          1. Pereira
            Pereira 1 February 2021 20: 47
            +1
            They are already preparing with might and main.
  6. cniza
    cniza 1 February 2021 18: 05
    +5
    Who excites everything, and most importantly why write such utter nonsense ...
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 1 February 2021 19: 03
      0
      Quote: cniza
      and most importantly why write such utter nonsense.

      "Tolley will still be about her"
      hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 1 February 2021 19: 57
        +4
        It looks like yes, everything interesting is yet to come ... hi
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 1 February 2021 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          It looks like yes, everything interesting is yet to come ..

          And without this there is no way
          1. cniza
            cniza 1 February 2021 20: 54
            +5
            We just need to be prepared for information diarrhea on the part of our "partners" and understand that it will be all built on lies ...
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 1 February 2021 21: 12
      +4
      Yes, all this fuss bypassing Poland was. The Poles themselves are crazy about the printed. And now they are trying to twist, so as not to upset the sponsors and not be rude to us in the region (however, it’s quirky)
  7. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 1 February 2021 18: 06
    +9
    Since the days of the USSR, so many weapons and troops have been collected near Kaliningrad that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris.

    And why should we go to radioactive Paris or Warsaw - we also have clean lands. laughing
  8. rudolff
    rudolff 1 February 2021 18: 20
    .
    "There are so many troops gathered near Kaliningrad that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris." This is not true. At one time, Putin disarmed this enclave so that the officers joked: in case of war, we will remove tanks from the pedestals of the monuments. All heavy armored vehicles were withdrawn, the Air Force grouping was radically reduced. Yes, Kaliningrad is now strengthening, but so far they have not even returned to the military potential of the pre-Putin period, not to mention the time of the collapse of the USSR. There can be no question of any Paris, God forbid, just keep it.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 1 February 2021 21: 56
      -9
      Judging by the number of minuses, hats remain Russia's main weapon! We'll throw everyone away! All the way to Paris!
      1. pmkemcity
        pmkemcity 2 February 2021 05: 21
        0
        Quote: rudolff
        We'll shower everyone!

        In 2008-2009, a significant number of troops and military equipment were withdrawn from the Kaliningrad region: more than 600 tanks, about 500 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, at least 600 guns and mortars. At the beginning of 2010, the number of ground forces of the Kaliningrad defense region was 10500 servicemen (not counting the marines of 1100 servicemen): 1 motorized rifle brigade, 1 motorized rifle regiment (disbanded at the end of 2009), 1 missile brigade with 12-18 Tochka-U missile systems , 1 artillery brigade, 1 helicopter regiment, 1 air defense brigade. At the beginning of 2010, the ground forces of the Kaliningrad defense region had 811 tanks, 1239 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers of various types, 345 artillery and missile systems.
        If the grouping of Russian troops in the Kaliningrad region currently consists of 1 motorized rifle brigade, 1 marine brigade, artillery units and missile forces, then they plan to add 1 more motorized rifle brigade (thus 2 motorized rifle brigades will become in the region) and the artillery and missile troops of coastal anti-ship complexes, however, in general, the reinforcement of troops will not be significant and there are no plans to deploy a large grouping like Crimea. (From Wikipedia)
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 1 February 2021 18: 21
    +1
    Quote: Vlad5307
    Since the days of the USSR, so many weapons and troops have been collected near Kaliningrad that the Russians will have enough to reach Paris.

    And why should we go to radioactive Paris or Warsaw - we also have clean lands. laughing

    Well, then FEED everyone? belay laughing
    1. Vlad5307
      Vlad5307 1 February 2021 19: 30
      +1
      And who is there to feed - they don't ask for corpses! soldier
  10. serzh1960
    serzh1960 1 February 2021 18: 33
    +10
    To be honest, neither in Europe, nor in America and Japan there are leaders of the level of Hitler or Napoleon, and those who exist did not stand next to them ... Any attempts to attack and seize our territory is a full-fledged war and according to Our doctrine permits the use of all types of weapons. They know this well, but they love to shout loudly, beating themselves militantly in the chest, but they really can't do anything ...
  11. Comrade I
    Comrade I 1 February 2021 19: 01
    +2
    The Overtdefence.com website does not exist. Overdefence.com is unavailable. Where do you get this information from? Where is this plan? The only referenced by our media was a report on the capabilities of our aircraft https://www.cna.org/CNA_files/PDF/IOP-2020-U-028759-Final.pdf
    And there is no such plan. So why spread this nonsense?
    Such plans undoubtedly exist. But why exactly about this nonexistent write, I cannot understand.
    And we have such plans (at least I hope). All armies have it, that's okay. As well as there are unofficial plans developed privately.
    Worse, when they begin to be discussed in large and / or specialized media, they begin to be served under a certain sauce. This should be monitored and discussed, because it can be an indicator of the relevant processes.
    So why write about a phantom plan?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 1 February 2021 20: 08
      +5
      Quote: Comrade Y
      Where do you get this information from? Where is this plan? So why spread this nonsense?

      Some publish - Overt Defense, others discuss - Do Rzeczy ... The layman has "on the crust" and if you repeat this several times .. then it is already perceived differently ... And check the reliability every time .... This material + "Tigers" constantly assure that they will be attacked .... and so on, etc. the thought of war slowly over and over again ... a generation that remembers the war already ... "if the stars are lit, it means - Does anyone need this? "
      “Such fantastic scenarios are being composed by dozens of different experts and institutions. It is impossible to call them other than fantasies "- Head of the Press Service of the Government of the Kaliningrad Region
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra 1 February 2021 19: 30
    +2
    What are they yapping there for? In any case, any movement will go boots over their heads. And the NATO boot will be no lighter than the Russian
  13. Split
    Split 1 February 2021 20: 44
    -1
    What to do on trifles, and to Washington on the bottom wink
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 1 February 2021 21: 22
    +5
    Poland has enough ambitions for five imperial powers. It is a pity that intelligence, courage and decency are not enough. They do not fit into it. The whole place is crammed with nothing justified arrogance
  15. Boromir1941
    Boromir1941 1 February 2021 22: 03
    0
    it would be necessary to conduct an exercise in the Kaliningrad region wassat
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 1 February 2021 22: 31
    +4
    the Russian media drew attention to the name of the author of the material in Overtdefence.com, and this is a certain Konrad Muzyka, as well as to the fact that the name of the city Królewiec is used in the text (the Polish designation for Kaliningrad is the Polish derivative of the German “Königsberg”).


    I propose to call Poland then exclusively Psheklyandiya))

    This is an attempt to once again present Poland as a state with imperial ambitions that threatens Russia and seeks to regain land in the east.

    Who do you need?

    In general, they have gone crazy. After all, because of them, World War II began.

    Where, where are you madmen striving?
    Horace.
  17. Diverter
    Diverter 1 February 2021 23: 58
    +3
    if yes, then it is worth reminding someone for gesheft. Warsaw is the property of the Russian Empire.
  18. orionvitt
    orionvitt 2 February 2021 00: 32
    +3
    But why "Russians go to Paris", the author of the comment does not specify
    Their Paris is not needed for nothing. But they beg so diligently that you may or may not have to. Not the first time. But really, why does Russia need this headache?
  19. Alien From
    Alien From 2 February 2021 04: 01
    +1
    Poland is equal to the toilet. Not interested.
  20. wow
    wow 2 February 2021 10: 20
    +1
    Indeed, why "to Paris" !? Just so that France has a "very bistro" instead of the past "bistro".
  21. Pardus22
    Pardus22 2 February 2021 13: 43
    0
    Let us sleep better, and let some vorog try to reach out to Our Kaliningrad! We pull out our playful hands
  22. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 2 February 2021 14: 06
    0
    The perception of the loved ones remained the same, if not worse.
    We know what they were in the 90s after the collapse of the USSR, what they are now - we talked with the individual entrepreneur.
    Therefore, there is no need to expect anything else from the bulk of Poles.
    Well, the ambitions of the country's leadership, of course, is a separate story - they have shown themselves in all their glory for 30 years, but what did you want for this money?
  23. IC
    IC 2 February 2021 16: 01
    0
    Some kind of id..t said something, and the audience rushed to discuss it seriously.
    1. Aag
      Aag 3 February 2021 12: 19
      0
      Quote: IMS
      Some kind of id..t said something, and the audience rushed to discuss it seriously.

      Where did you see a serious discussion? ...
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  25. Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 2 February 2021 22: 02
    +1
    The defense of the enclave is difficult to provide.
  26. sazonov-1951
    sazonov-1951 3 February 2021 06: 01
    +2
    Poland is such an anti-Russian country that in any conflict it should be "rolled out" in full force and what it deserves. They live between Germany and Russia, between Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania and the Czech Republic and these countries either do not notice it, but inside they hate in a special way.
  27. wow
    wow 3 February 2021 09: 56
    +1
    Himself, damn it, an ethnic Pole. By education, by field of activity (Air Force of the USSR and the Russian Federation), by the state of the brain, and so on !!! Kill me thunder, I don't understand what the psheki (scum) want !? Die before the Lord God released them! ???
  28. Nikolay Vladimirovich
    Nikolay Vladimirovich 3 February 2021 12: 50
    0
    Well, is that what they do not sit quietly !? What are the Poles afraid of ??? The boundaries of their state were determined by Stalin, i.e. the same USSR, of which the Russian Federation is the legal successor. And we have no border problems with the Poles! Not at all. None. And we do not have communism, and therefore no one from the East is going to "export the revolution". Why did they let the Americans in? Is it not clear that this is a direct military threat to Russia?
  29. Aramis
    Aramis 4 February 2021 04: 05
    0
    Recently, the Poles conducted a command-control exercise, an introductory attack on the Kaliningrad region. Polish Armed Forces, result: on the 5th day of the war Warsaw was surrounded and captured. Conclusion: it is necessary to involve colleagues in NATO to protect Poland, for this they need to be frightened. In general, the Poles like to present themselves as the defender of Europe from the "wild Russian hordes".
  30. alexey88
    alexey88 4 February 2021 14: 18
    0
    oh those commentators, oh those comments ...
  31. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 5 February 2021 14: 44
    0
    the problem is that the Kaliningrad region is isolated and this is its strategic vulnerability. borders only with Poland and Lithuania.
  32. LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82
    LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82 7 February 2021 12: 41
    0
    There is nothing for the Poles in the Russian Land